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		<title>By: logdon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[logdon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Aug 2013 08:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spot on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on.</p>
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		<title>By: logdon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[logdon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Aug 2013 08:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Freedom aspirant Turks know where the bread and butter is and plenty of that comes from tourism and its knock on.

Same goes for Egypt or did, pre Mursi.

The tourists are/were Europeans after a spot of sun and sand with an element of oriental exotica thrown in.

Turkey was also a big Israeli destination and I&#039;d imagine or more accurately, hope that any Jew in his or her right mind would now avoid the place like the plague. (Erdogan basically is your classic Muslim Quranic steeped anti-semite and quite frankly, despite the veneer, such a bigot he&#039;ll never change.)

So the answer is, I guess,  pragmatism.

All those blue eyes, crammed into cheap flight jets, heading south brought pot loads of money.

I&#039;d guess that plenty of Turkish and Egyptian businessmen, eyeing up the choice between a new Merc or disdain towards the infidel saw the wealth those tourists brought and decided on the Merc.

With the money also came the numbers and with the numbers a one way cross cultural exchange especially amongst the young. They saw fun, sex, music, holiday hedonism and fashion and quite naturaly wanted to be a part of it.

That is what both of the leaders hated, especially the hard line Mursi because along with the dilution of the faith it indicated Islamic inferiority. And that would never do.

So the basic answer is that those young Turks obviously weren&#039;t rioting for Christian rights per se, but the plurality, freedom and moolah those Christians brought with them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freedom aspirant Turks know where the bread and butter is and plenty of that comes from tourism and its knock on.</p>
<p>Same goes for Egypt or did, pre Mursi.</p>
<p>The tourists are/were Europeans after a spot of sun and sand with an element of oriental exotica thrown in.</p>
<p>Turkey was also a big Israeli destination and I&#8217;d imagine or more accurately, hope that any Jew in his or her right mind would now avoid the place like the plague. (Erdogan basically is your classic Muslim Quranic steeped anti-semite and quite frankly, despite the veneer, such a bigot he&#8217;ll never change.)</p>
<p>So the answer is, I guess,  pragmatism.</p>
<p>All those blue eyes, crammed into cheap flight jets, heading south brought pot loads of money.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d guess that plenty of Turkish and Egyptian businessmen, eyeing up the choice between a new Merc or disdain towards the infidel saw the wealth those tourists brought and decided on the Merc.</p>
<p>With the money also came the numbers and with the numbers a one way cross cultural exchange especially amongst the young. They saw fun, sex, music, holiday hedonism and fashion and quite naturaly wanted to be a part of it.</p>
<p>That is what both of the leaders hated, especially the hard line Mursi because along with the dilution of the faith it indicated Islamic inferiority. And that would never do.</p>
<p>So the basic answer is that those young Turks obviously weren&#8217;t rioting for Christian rights per se, but the plurality, freedom and moolah those Christians brought with them.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 11:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;LOL, a &quot;moderating&quot; factor! Best laugh I&#039;ve had all week.&quot;



I&#039;m talking about the kind of &quot;moderation&quot; that get&#039;s you promoted to a slightly more comfortable place in the eternal fire of Hell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;LOL, a &#8220;moderating&#8221; factor! Best laugh I&#8217;ve had all week.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m talking about the kind of &#8220;moderation&#8221; that get&#8217;s you promoted to a slightly more comfortable place in the eternal fire of Hell.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Mayfield</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Douglas Mayfield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 04:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re right. The proper solution is someone in the Whitehouse with at least some respect for freedom and individual rights so that he/she would condemn Islam.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right. The proper solution is someone in the Whitehouse with at least some respect for freedom and individual rights so that he/she would condemn Islam.</p>
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		<title>By: defcon 4</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[defcon 4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 03:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOL, a &quot;moderating&quot; factor! Best laugh I&#039;ve had all week.
Unless you&#039;re serious, in which case you&#039;re a born liar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, a &#8220;moderating&#8221; factor! Best laugh I&#8217;ve had all week.<br />
Unless you&#8217;re serious, in which case you&#8217;re a born liar.</p>
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		<title>By: defcon 4</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[defcon 4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 03:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOL, tell it to the persecuted Christians and Amadiyya (if there are any left) in Indonesia. BTW, the Indonesian government engineered the genocide in E. Timor as it is now engineering the ethnic cleansing of W. Papua New Guinea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, tell it to the persecuted Christians and Amadiyya (if there are any left) in Indonesia. BTW, the Indonesian government engineered the genocide in E. Timor as it is now engineering the ethnic cleansing of W. Papua New Guinea.</p>
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		<title>By: defcon 4</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[defcon 4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 03:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jihad isn&#039;t necessarily violent -- as the long, oppressive and brutal history of islam has proven time and again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jihad isn&#8217;t necessarily violent &#8212; as the long, oppressive and brutal history of islam has proven time and again.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 01:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If that backfires because those who accept his invitations find that it damages their credentials at home, makes their fellow Islamics suspect them, so much the better.&quot;



The problem is that it hurts us long before it has the possibility to hurt them. OTOH, we&#039;ll take the consolation prize when that&#039;s all we have available.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If that backfires because those who accept his invitations find that it damages their credentials at home, makes their fellow Islamics suspect them, so much the better.&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem is that it hurts us long before it has the possibility to hurt them. OTOH, we&#8217;ll take the consolation prize when that&#8217;s all we have available.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 01:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not clear how much if anything Alinsky knew about Islamic supramacism. Alinsky can&#039;t help do anything productive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not clear how much if anything Alinsky knew about Islamic supramacism. Alinsky can&#8217;t help do anything productive.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 01:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No. But the key point is that we&#039;re not bringing peace to anyone by supporting jihadis. We should support Western values and stop apologizing for them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. But the key point is that we&#8217;re not bringing peace to anyone by supporting jihadis. We should support Western values and stop apologizing for them.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/how-obama-hugged-the-brotherhood-to-death-2/comment-page-1/#comment-5267016</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 01:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They are a subset, but often rejected by Shia as well. They are hated by Sunni jihadis, that&#039;s for sure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are a subset, but often rejected by Shia as well. They are hated by Sunni jihadis, that&#8217;s for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 01:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Why the distinction between the brotherhood and assad? They&#039;re on the same team, and they act on assad&#039;s behalf - if not on his orders.&quot;

Assad is Alawite muslim. The MB is Sunni. Sunni jihadis are attacking Assad. The MB is supporting the Sunni jihad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why the distinction between the brotherhood and assad? They&#8217;re on the same team, and they act on assad&#8217;s behalf &#8211; if not on his orders.&#8221;</p>
<p>Assad is Alawite muslim. The MB is Sunni. Sunni jihadis are attacking Assad. The MB is supporting the Sunni jihad.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 01:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The MB are pawns to an extent of the Saudis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MB are pawns to an extent of the Saudis.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/how-obama-hugged-the-brotherhood-to-death-2/comment-page-1/#comment-5267012</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 01:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To be fair, their ideology and customs allow them a lot more latitude in controlling politics. Those guys are lifers (as politicians) and for the most part we hate lifers in the West.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, their ideology and customs allow them a lot more latitude in controlling politics. Those guys are lifers (as politicians) and for the most part we hate lifers in the West.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 01:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Can Soddy Barbaria get any crazier?&quot;



Unfortunately they could easily get crazier. That&#039;s what we really need to remember. Check out the legacy of the local Ikhwan.


The house of Saud truly is a moderating factor in Islamic terms. Not that we should accept that because some false notion that &quot;anything moderate must be good.&quot; It&#039;s not good enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Can Soddy Barbaria get any crazier?&#8221;</p>
<p>Unfortunately they could easily get crazier. That&#8217;s what we really need to remember. Check out the legacy of the local Ikhwan.</p>
<p>The house of Saud truly is a moderating factor in Islamic terms. Not that we should accept that because some false notion that &#8220;anything moderate must be good.&#8221; It&#8217;s not good enough.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 01:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wouldn&#039;t trust him to walk my dog.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t trust him to walk my dog.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 01:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are definitely radical tribes and jihadi groups in Indonesia, and the government is not always as aggressive as they should be (though we are now following their lead in showing so much tolerance for radicals...I wonder why...)


But you&#039;re right for the most part. It&#039;s just that Indonesia is not culturally homogeneous even under Islam. They might have a huge percentage of nominal Muslims, but for various reasons it has been difficult for jihadis to impose sharia outside of a few local tribes. At least in modern times.


Indonesia is a different case than any other, but you&#039;re points are totally valid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are definitely radical tribes and jihadi groups in Indonesia, and the government is not always as aggressive as they should be (though we are now following their lead in showing so much tolerance for radicals&#8230;I wonder why&#8230;)</p>
<p>But you&#8217;re right for the most part. It&#8217;s just that Indonesia is not culturally homogeneous even under Islam. They might have a huge percentage of nominal Muslims, but for various reasons it has been difficult for jihadis to impose sharia outside of a few local tribes. At least in modern times.</p>
<p>Indonesia is a different case than any other, but you&#8217;re points are totally valid.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 01:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indonesia is tribal, but not along the lines of Arab cultural traditions. Which is to say that while there are similarities, Indonesian tribes never really coalesced under sharia or any other unifying ideology. Which is why a few of the sects are just as radical as the Arab Pagan jihadis, but they can&#039;t achieve dominant cultural hegemony because Indonesian tribes never really trusted one another even to the degree that jihadis seem to.

There is more to it than that, but I can&#039;t quite figure out a clearer explanation. It might have to do with the great difficulty of conquering Indonesian islands all at once. They were never unified, so it&#039;s hard for jihadis to lead unified attacks. Even with modern social media, the best they can manage is to all show up on the same day to protest Western videos or whatever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indonesia is tribal, but not along the lines of Arab cultural traditions. Which is to say that while there are similarities, Indonesian tribes never really coalesced under sharia or any other unifying ideology. Which is why a few of the sects are just as radical as the Arab Pagan jihadis, but they can&#8217;t achieve dominant cultural hegemony because Indonesian tribes never really trusted one another even to the degree that jihadis seem to.</p>
<p>There is more to it than that, but I can&#8217;t quite figure out a clearer explanation. It might have to do with the great difficulty of conquering Indonesian islands all at once. They were never unified, so it&#8217;s hard for jihadis to lead unified attacks. Even with modern social media, the best they can manage is to all show up on the same day to protest Western videos or whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Mayfield</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Douglas Mayfield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 00:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[defcon 4
The post was somewhat facetious but let&#039;s take it straight.
Obama is a dedicated socialist and authoritarian who will discard any facts which clash with his politics and will continue to embrace Islam no matter how many evil acts the followers of Islam commit.
To that end, he will continue to invite Islamics into his administration and into the Whitehouse. If that backfires because those who accept his invitations find that it damages their credentials at home, makes their fellow Islamics suspect them, so much the better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>defcon 4<br />
The post was somewhat facetious but let&#8217;s take it straight.<br />
Obama is a dedicated socialist and authoritarian who will discard any facts which clash with his politics and will continue to embrace Islam no matter how many evil acts the followers of Islam commit.<br />
To that end, he will continue to invite Islamics into his administration and into the Whitehouse. If that backfires because those who accept his invitations find that it damages their credentials at home, makes their fellow Islamics suspect them, so much the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Federale</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Federale]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2013 20:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think his &quot;smarts&quot; is contributing to the failure of Demoncrats to vote for conviction in the Senate.  Smart enought to be partisan and play the race card, but that is not exactly rocket science.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think his &#8220;smarts&#8221; is contributing to the failure of Demoncrats to vote for conviction in the Senate.  Smart enought to be partisan and play the race card, but that is not exactly rocket science.</p>
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