“I Want People to Have Health Care. I Just Didn’t Realize I Would be the One Who Was Going to Pay for It.”

Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam. He is completing a book on the international challenges America faces in the 21st century.


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Most people don’t understand this simple fact. When you want people to have something, you have to pay for it. It’s not going to be some imaginary 1 percent footing the bill.

There aren’t enough of them. The costs always end up hitting the middle class.

Cindy Vinson and Tom Waschura are big believers in the Affordable Care Act. They vote independent and are proud to say they helped elect and re-elect President Barack Obama.

Yet, like many other Bay Area residents who pay for their own medical insurance, they were floored last week when they opened their bills: Their policies were being replaced with pricier plans that conform to all the requirements of the new health care law.

Vinson, of San Jose, will pay $1,800 more a year for an individual policy, while Waschura, of Portola Valley, will cough up almost $10,000 more for insurance for his family of four.

“There’s going to be a number of people surprised” by their bills, said Jonathan Wu, a co-founder of ValuePenguin, a consumer finance website. “The upper-middle class are the people who are essentially being asked to foot the bill, and that’s true across the country.”

The middle class always has to foot the bill for the Democratic Party’s base which doesn’t like to do things like work for a living.

Covered California spokesman Dana Howard maintained that in public presentations the exchange has always made clear that there will be winners and losers under Obamacare.

Uh-huh.

“I was laughing at Boehner — until the mail came today,” Waschura said, referring to House Speaker John Boehner, who is leading the Republican charge to defund Obamacare.

“I really don’t like the Republican tactics, but at least now I can understand why they are so pissed about this. When you take $10,000 out of my family’s pocket each year, that’s otherwise disposable income or retirement savings that will not be going into our local economy.”

Both Vinson and Waschura have adjusted gross incomes greater than four times the federal poverty level — the cutoff for a tax credit. And while both said they anticipated their rates would go up, they didn’t realize they would rise so much.

“Of course, I want people to have health care,” Vinson said. “I just didn’t realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it personally.”

Who did she think was going to pay for it?

Federal poverty level for a single household is $11,490. Four times the federal poverty level is barely hanging in to the middle class these days.

“I’m not against Obamacare,” Waschura said. “It’s just the initial shock. I’m holding out hope that there will be a correction over a handful of years.”

There will be. Rates will go higher and treatment options will be cut.

  • chan chan

    Ha ha! Oh, that is priceless, totally priceless. Love it. Who on earth did they think was going to pay for it??

    • Daniel Greenfield

      The 1 percent.

      Obviously.

      That’s what the media told them

      • tickletik

        So that means that at heart they are selfish arrogant thieves

        • objectivefactsmatter

          Well yeah.

        • gerry

          They are low lives.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        This whole “1 percent” theory is just a way to replace the rejected theories about magic productivity gains through central planning and perpetual motion as an energy source.

        Communism just won’t die because we let too many communists lie to our kids for too many years.

        Marx was a delusional idiot and not that many people have figured this out yet.

        • NPDeeDee

          And he made Engels pay the bills!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • joe doe

            well, Engels fucked his wife tough

      • chan chan

        The media? Surely you mean The Peoples’ Revoltionary Information Ministry, Daniel?

      • RightUnite

        Yep, and they took the bait, hook, line and sinker!!

    • DanMR

      you stole my comment

  • defcon 4

    But would it have made any difference if the majority of US citizens had opposed Obamacare?

    • Independent

      As I’m sure you know, the majority DID oppose Obamacare. But they stupidly elected Obama and a Democrat majority in congress.

      The conservatives who stayed home and didn’t vote for Romney, although I can understand why they did it, really shafted all of us. They assured the election of Obama and the passage of the Obamacare.

      I can’t help but wonder how much of the above was due to Christian conservative dislike of Mormonism although it wasn’t spoken of publicly. The election was not the time to express that dislike.

      And Romney ran a stupid campaign. The Republicans have become stupid party as has been pointed out. Of the Dems have become the evil party.

      • Independent

        I mean “Of course the Dems have become the evil party.”

        • lessthantolerant

          Communism has always been evil.

      • v

        Don’t blame Romney or the campaign, instead blame the ignorant, stupid and uninformed electorate. America today is the welfare nation of the world, and that attracts people who are selfish (give me), ignorant ( not educated) and stupid ( compared to the rest of the world we are quickly ranking last.)

        • lessthantolerant

          Parasite Nation grows stronger everyday. Fun times are ahead if one has not prepared adequately.

        • Bill Millett

          How about blaming it on all the documented voter fraud?

      • CowboyUp

        Actually it was the supermajority the democrat party enjoyed after the ’08 election (McCain) that enable the democrat party to say that obamacare “was deemed to have passed,” without a single GOP vote or a full House vote on the final law. You’re basically right though on your main point. I heard a lot of conservatives say they were staying home to teach the GOP a lesson. I likened it at the time to cutting off their heads to spite their faces, and now the dp is showing them why that was such a bad idea.

      • NPDeeDee

        The Dems have been evil for a long time–but the press tried to make it the Republicans. But, as you said, they were the stupid ones for not voting. Now we are all stuck with this law which was passed in the dead of night without having been read.

  • A J Sharp

    “When you take $10,000 out of my family’s pocket each year, that’s
    otherwise disposable income or retirement savings that will not be going
    into our local economy.”

    I love that even when facing the reality of having to pay for this, the unthinking liberal still cannot think of money–even HIS OWN MONEY–in any terms but the collective. It’s not “otherwise disposable income or retirement savings that’s being taken from ME,” it’s just money that “will not being going into our local economy.”

    Complete and utter brainwashing. Finally forced to face reality, yet still unable to think about it in anything resembling a coherent way.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      But that 10 grand buys someone a nice big cushy office chair with accessories to match for their federal workspace. That’s nice to know.

      At least the greedy doctors will quit and the altruistic strain will magically appear, as we know Darwin proved will happen.

    • gerry

      Confirmed what I always said,they are to stupid to realise they are stupid.
      They should send their bills to Obama and the proponents of Obamacare.They forgot that this was passed as a tax, they should delighted they have what they wished for!

  • A Z

    I read Eysenck’s R factor and also the S-factor as it related to politics of the left and the right.

    The thing was is that the left puts equality 1st and the right puts it second. Basically, we want the same things. We order things like equality in a slightly different order and it makes a difference in voting and how we live.

    Okay not so much in how we live. There are an awful lot of rich Democrat politicians and they ain’t sharing.

    I wonder where the rank and file Democrats and independents are now in the rankings now that they have STICKER ShOcK?!

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “The thing was is that the left puts equality 1st and the right puts it second.”

      The left puts egalitarianism 1st in their rhetoric and the right puts equal opportunity first. The left is building a new oligarchy under discredited theories and the right is either caving in to them, hoping to hang on to their coat tails, or in some cases the right is fighting to preserve free markets and our constitution.

      “We order things like equality in a slightly different order and it makes a difference in voting and how we live.”

      Um, not really. The differences are not slight at all except when you accept their rhetoric as sincere, On the right we have imperfect people that some times lie and compromise to gain and keep power, on the left we have deranged lunatics that lie as a matter of principal about anything and everything, believing it’s justified in order to bring on Utopia.

      • A Z

        “The left puts egalitarianism 1st in their rhetoric and the right puts equal opportunity first”

        I think that is what I saw. they took 10 items and record how people prioritized them.

        Just that 1st step is a world of difference. splitting up the country looks like a good ideal. We could split up the country based on land are per person and let the left choose what 1/2 they want 1st. After a dew decades or sooner they would belly ache about how they got cheated or how they could make their utopia work if we joined them.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          Remember that egalitarianism isn’t realistic for any society. It’s OK as an ethos as long as everyone understands that it’s a Utopian ideal, not a pragmatic objective. Making people “equal in status” when it’s not earned actually destroys society.

          Equal opportunity might seem Utopian as well, but we can objectively judge whether or not people have equal access to any given thing. And pursuing it helps society even before we’ve achieved any specific targets or objectives.

          “splitting up the country looks like a good ideal.”

          No, because their entire worldview is based on deception, envy and blaming everyone else for their problems. We’d be at war in no time. Seriously.

          “We could split up the country based on land are per person and let the left choose what 1/2 they want 1st. After a dew decades or sooner they would belly ache about how they got cheated or how they could make their utopia work if we joined them.”

          They won’t wake up to reality until someone forces them to examine the flaws in their theories. We’ve already had the war of ideas going on for many generations. Time to raise the intensity on that war, and to defeat the bogus ideas the way that we defeated the Soviets, by showing them their own failure. We have plenty of examples.

          it’s just that the left has a lot more liars working for them at our schools. THAT is the most urgent priority. Then destroy their stupid ideas with better ones in public discourse and perhaps we can win and our republic will be saved. Maybe.

          • A Z

            Rush Limbaugh has mentioned it as an intellectual exercise. His point was that if we divided the country in 1/2 or equal parts that after a period of time the conservative half would be richer than the liberal 1/2.

            That I believe.

            As for immediate war if we separated, I believe that is very probable.

            I mentioned that it might be a good thing to do in another forum and one of the liberal posters was absolutely panicked.

            I don’t know if they were panicked at the thought of their country be split of the status quo being upset. Maybe it was that the wage slaves would be free and she would have to work. Or that the liberals who did work would have to support a greater number of loafers per capita.

            The moment was precious. it was a Kodak moment.

            I don’t know what is going to happen in regards to liberals. All I see is war clouds. the Yemeni government seem to be a government in name only. Somalia looks bad. It just looks bad all the way around.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Rush Limbaugh has mentioned it as an intellectual exercise. His point was that if we divided the country in 1/2 or equal parts that after a period of time the conservative half would be richer than the liberal 1/2.”

            I agree with that. Most wealthy Americans and big corporations portray themselves as Democrats or liberals simply for reasons of self-interest. They know they can’t change the country for their own gain but they can win favors by going along with the tide and pretending to be compassionate.

            Given a choice, they’d move eventually. OTOH, it depends on which market has more potential for them. But I’m adding too many real factors. Obviously people that behave and understand conservative values are much better at building productive businesses. Obviously people that truly imagine socialism as realistic are deranged and if they happen to both have a sincere belief in socialism and success in business it’s due entirely to the good luck of inventing some thing that turned out to be important, or in having the right connections that allowed them to plug in to the capital side of “socialism.”

            If the government is one of your major clients, obviously it’s in your interest to see the government expand up to the point just prior to self-destruction (which they can’t imagine).

            It just takes a while to prove beyond all doubt how idiotic socialism is.

          • The_Pilgrim

            I tend to agree, but the Democrats tend to hide their socialist/communist tendencies in their rhetoric. If you only listen to the speeches, and never listen to their actions, you’d swear they’re the Conservative party. And the media lapdogs go right along with the deception.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            There’s a reason for that. Most of them are dupes and unaware of the efforts to manipulate our culture.

            http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2390

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Gramsci

        • zoomie

          the left would collapse in 6 months

    • CowboyUp

      As objectivefacts matter pointed out, when they speak of equality, the left and right are speaking of two different things. The right speaks of equal opportunity, or equality before the law, and the left speaks of equal results (egalitarianism).
      Egalitarianism depends on keeping the trees equal, “by hatchet, axe, and saw,” because that’s the only way living growing things can be kept equal. It becomes a race to the lowest common denominator.

  • DogmaelJones1

    “Vinson, of San Jose, will pay $1,800 more a year for an individual
    policy, while Waschura, of Portola Valley, will cough up almost $10,000
    more for insurance for his family of four.” Oh, and please remember this, people: When you need to use that pricy insurance to cover medical costs, and you need to see a doctor — will there be a doctor to see? Doctors nationwide should be going on strike, and they are, as well as other professional medical personnel. They’re dropping out of this system of indentured servitude like flies. They’re just not going to be there when you need them, mandated insurance or no mandated insurance. And good for them. And the doctors who like their indentured servitude are not doctors you really want examining you or putting you on an operating table. Brothers and sisters of Obamacare: You asked for it.

    • zoomie

      As you may know, the scenario you describe was brilliantly depicted by Ayn Rand many decades ago. Atlas Shrugged was the title. The ending wasn’t uplifting either.

    • Boogie’s Daddy

      The president has simply to issue a proclamation for the public safety that Compells everyone to remain on the job under penalty of imprisonment. Just like Ayn Rand predicted in ATLAS SHRUGGED over fifty years ago!
      Who IS John Galt?

  • Servo1969

    “Of course, I want people to have health care,” Vinson said. “I just
    didn’t realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it
    personally.”

    That’s a special kind of genius, right there.

    • michelletherese

      That line… I’m going to be laughing about this for years to come. Vindication is rich!

    • RightUnite

      I would say special kind of stupid! Or the stupid runs deep in this one!

  • LindaRivera

    Obamacare was NEVER intended to be affordable or help people financially
    or medically. Obamacare was designed to do the MAXIMUM harm possible
    financially and medically to companies and individuals.

    Obamacare was
    invented by ruling elites who are consumed with a rabid hate for America
    and are using every means at their disposal to PUNISH Americans for the
    sole reason they are Americans.

    • phenry

      You hit the nail on the head. The power and control law was also passed to gain the Hispanic vote for generations to come. So not only are the liberals being duped but the Latinos as well as most young people do not need health care and the undocumented will no longer be provided free health care at emergency rooms. But who knows? Now that the undocumented are going to receive driver licenses, I am sure they will use them to vote for the democrats. Most people also forget that the CBO has always stated that there will still be over thirty million Americans without coverage. I just hope the republicans don’t give in to Obama and friends.

  • phenry

    Let’s keep our fingers crossed that these individuals have a reasonable memory and the Democratic lies will backfire on them when Hillary takes the main stage.

  • gerry

    Does not take long for the wankers to whinge.Who is laughing now?Priceless clueless!

  • ILIA TOLI

    There will be a correction. Same as in Europe. They will gradually introduce premiums. That means, the patient will have to foot higher and higher bills for each visit. The difference with the off-insurance market will become starker and starker. Also because the private sector will have tougher and tougher time to stay afloat. The quality will go down. The public option will look like the best option, though nothing to be happy about it. Wait lists of 6 months for services that you desperately need right now. In 6 months the disease has evolved = worsened.

    • lessthantolerant

      One thing is for sure, private health care programs will become available for those who can afford them. That is the way of capitalism.
      I for one will buy one for my family while the rest of the masses join the new DMV of healthcare, Obamacare.

      • Nissan

        Will that be legal under Obamacare?

        • CowboyUp

          It wasn’t going to be legal under hillarycare, and if it is under obamacare, it won’t be for long.

  • iizthatiiz

    in November of 2014 .. reality is going to coming crashing down on the heads of the Democrats in ways they can hardly imagine. It’s gonna be a bloodbath.

  • michelletherese

    And we crazy hate-filled “Right Wingers” warned of just this thing. But I always knew that Liberals won’t exist in reality until it personally wrecks their own lives. Only then do they care.

    • The_Pilgrim

      They might care, but the blindly follow the Democrat propaganda and blame the GOP. Wait until they start blaming the Republicans for the failure of Obamacare because they didn’t vote for it…

  • DilloTank

    Thanks to our corrupt school system. ‘Educated’, successful Americans don’t know didley about important things like history, religion, economics, critical thinking, or basic math.

    • lessthantolerant

      The Triad of Propaganda (Education, Media and Entertainment) for the democrats has truly created a Parasitic Nation of dolts unable to think for themselves.
      This nation is lost and I sometimes fear it can not recover.

  • Jim Denney

    Reading this is going to cause me to smile all day. I may even track those two morons down on Twitter and see if I can make ‘em feel even dumber. Fore-ward!

  • lessthantolerant

    let’s see, add 30 million, add pre-existing conditions, reduce doctor incentives. Hmmm, no cost affect? On what planet do these idiots reside? Oh yes, it’s Planet Stupid!
    Liberalism is clearly a mental disorder.

    • The_Pilgrim

      Yes, but is treatment affordable under the Unaffordable Healthcare Act?

      • RightUnite

        Hopefully, they’ll get that special little pill used specifically for those at the end of life stage.

  • gunsmithkat

    I guess they figured it would come out of Obama’s secret stash.

    • bucky321

      well, their phone did

  • mendezjb

    I love how those two think they are independents. They are west coast liberals.

    • bucky321

      and they would still vote for the one. i would love to sell these people some real estate

  • RightUnite

    HA!!! The absolute ignorance of those on the left is AMAZING!! I just laugh when I hear about their shock at seeing exactly how much it’s going to cost them!!

    Love it!! Hehehehehe!

  • Joe Skinner

    “The middle class always has to foot the bill for the Democratic Party’s base which doesn’t like to do things like work for a living.”

    Gotta love the ridiculous republican meme that all democrats are unemployed and on welfare, the unemployment number is 7.6% the underemployed is 14%. Obama won reelection with 52% of the vote. Even if every single person who was un/underemployed voted for him, which is absurd and not supported by facts, he still got the support of a large number of people who do indeed work for a living.

    • defcon 4

      The unemployment figures are a lie. They only count those who are on the unemployment rolls as being unemployed. Things are much worse than the lies our presidential regime is foisting on us.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Frances-Chute-Quinn/100002220220146 Frances Chute Quinn

    hahahaha, and I wonder if he read about his deductible yet?

  • JAhuman2

    The Democrat plan has always been to mislead the American people (Middle Class) about the true cost of Obamacare. What else would you expect from a law that was passed before it was even written?

  • disqus_Ao3LmdU11e

    lolololololololololololololololololol

  • Kauf Buch

    There’s a suck…err…DEMOCRAT born every minute.

  • PouponMarks

    Each night before going to bed, he takes an Obama pill to put himself to sleep. He wakes up with a sore back portal and can’t figure out what is going on, with Obama sleeping in the other room. DNA testing, chump, will indicate what he’s doing to you.

  • Boogie’s Daddy

    Wouldn’t this all have been easier if insurance comapnies were able to compete across state lines and the majority of the people were working?
    It may be an oversimplification, but it seems to me like this is all a result of 1) American jobs going offshore due to overcompensated unions 2) influx of unskilled foreign workers taking so many of the jobs that are left and 3) over regulation of industries (not specifically in that order).
    If everyone were working they could buy their own insurance… from whomever they chose to. Since insurance companies do not have to compete they charge what they want to and offer what they want to. if you don’t like it Gomez will take your place in line and send what pay he does get back to his home country.
    Unfortunately, the left is solidly in the fight for more unions, more illegal aliens, more regulations. All that remains is to force everyone to do what they cannot afford to do.

  • CaoMoo

    Mine went up 90% and Im well below the poverty lvl. It’s financial sodomy on a national scale and always was people were just too willfully ignorant to see it in time to stop it without the tyrant in chief in office.