Iowa Muslim Imam Claims Prosecuting Him for Molesting Women Violates his Religious Freedom

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He does have a point. Islam is one of the few religions to incorporate rape as a major aspect of its founding and practice.

An attorney for a Des Moines Islamic leader charged with sexual abuse and exploitation is asking a judge to drop two of the charges, arguing that they violate the man’s religious freedom.

Spahic faces one count of third-degree sexual abuse and two counts of sexual exploitation by a counselor or therapist. He was arrested in August after a 42-year-old woman and her 18-year-old daughter told police that Spahic sexually assaulted them during a religious ceremony.

Iowa law spells out that counselors and therapists are barred from “sexual conduct” with patients. But because Spahic never had a formal relationship with the two women, using his religious position to charge him should be unconstitutional, Campbell argued in the motion.

“The ceremony he was performing was not psychotherapy, nor was it counseling,” the motion said. “The sexual exploitation charges are therefore necessarily based on his religious identity and the religious nature of his relationships to the accusers.”

So what did Spahic’s religious counseling involve?

The woman on Aug. 12 called Spahic to her house in Johnston for help with her daughter, who reportedly suffered personal issues, including depression and drug use, police and court papers said. Spahic allegedly performed an Islamic ceremony that involved “chanting and rubbing the body with oil,” court papers said.

In one section of the sealed minutes of evidence, prosecutors “inappropriately refer to Mr. Spahic as a ‘Voodoo priest,'” according to the motion. At the time of his arrest Spahic served as the imam – a leader of Islamic prayer services – at the Des Moines Islamic and Cultural Center Bosniak on Lower Beaver Road.

That’s not the only thing inappropriate about that story. But I think Voodoo priests are right to be offended by that one. Still if Muslims have the religious freedom to

1. Promote the mass murder of non-Muslims

2. Donate money to terrorist groups

3. Subvert national security

… why not sexual abuse?

  • N. Wasse

    What do you expect from a this moron whose ideal man was a pedophile and whose Arabian God says that Muslims can own slaves and rape them? Welcome to Islam

    • Orville Gates

      The Christian God approves of the same thing. Research the Bible or the Internet. Don’t look for it in a church, they’ve been cherry picking the Bible like forever.

      • kato

        The important point is, no matter whats in the bible, which was chopped, sectioned and weeded out by the likes of the Roman Senate and a pedophile and rapist English king, and was sketchy to start out with, Christianity has evolved from the last 2000 years. No Christian church will condone rape or victimization of women or children today, except possibly the Mormon and Orthodox church, but even in that case, women are treated with more respect-even then they are not allowed to be killed, for example, etc. The Christian churches have stayed more or less with the times and learned from its mistakes, such as the Catholic Church no longer widely practicing its manipulation of funding in exchange for passes to heaven the way it did in the medieval times, and other mistakes it has learned and grown from. In contrast, Islam has not grown with the times, it remains as barbaric as it was when it first began 2,00 years ago when a guy named muhamed saw how Christianity was gaining so many followers and decided to fabricate his own religion so he would have power over so many people. He must have interpreted Christianity as a religion that has power over people, instead of Christ’s message of truth and peace. Many Christians also did not understand Christ’s message, though some obviously did. So muhamed’s lust for power and using violence as a means to get it was the birth of Islam.

        • momo

          What do you know about the Orthodox church ? You are the stupidest person I have ever met in my life .You must be one of the sick Evangelicals who promote death penalty for homosexuals in Africa . Neither orthodox or catholic churches are involved in it . I am talking about something that is happening at the moment and I have witnessed .Make your research . You guys own your churches like a small business . You are after promotion .

        • Irene Bateman

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        • N. Wasse

          Mr Einstein number two: what does your long winded reply have to do with this creepy Muslim Sheikh that molested two women? Enlighten us please

        • Charles

          It’s a bigger difference when you have a dog in the race. From the outside it’s like saying that Christian strychnine is better than Muslim Cyanide.

          • defcon 4

            Then put your money where your mouth is and move to an islamic state — any islamic state. I might suggest Bangladesh though, where your fellow atheists are getting death threats, and it’s not of the strychnine variety either.

          • vladdy1

            He’d never do that ‘cos he knows islam and Christiaity are just alike….sure, they are…Jesus was well known for raping his slave girls and beheading their husbands.

          • Charles

            Can you show me where Jesus ever said anything negative about slavery? Can you tell me where the Christian bible says that slavery is wrong, immoral or evil? No. Because the Christian bible specifically endorses slavery. It also says that a rapist must marry his victim. Yeah, nice beacon of morality you have there, vlad.

          • Jason Lichter

            Charles – you are a incorrect – you ask what did Jesus SAY about the bible – in case you aren’t aware there is VERY LITTLE of anything Jesus ever supposedly said in any bible. Secondly, what religion was Jesus? What religion was he a SCHOLAR in? Let’s now take that a step further – Jesus was a Jew – who have dealt with being forced into slavery since the beginning of time – sure you moron, I am so sure Jesus was pro slavery you fucking idiot. And what’s most funny – I am Jewish not Christian – you are just a fool.
            EVERY RACE, creed or religion has at one point in time or another embraced ideals which were no good – LOOK AT THE EVOLUTION of every other religion EXCEPT that of Islam – everyone else seems to have learned and adapted – every other religion or religious ideology is based on a general good behavior model – not Islam.
            ANYONE who defends this sick twisted disgusting ideology is a disgusting person who is not fit to live within the borders of the USA.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Churl,

            Can you show me where Jesus raped his slaves? Can you show me which Christian denomination practices slavery?

            Atheist fanatics always argue like children. It comes from basing your faith on contumacy and hatred. Instead of Bangladesh, why don’t you move to the world’s premiere atheist country? North Korea, which incidentally is the worst heIIhole on the planet. Show us the strength of your juvenile convictions.

          • Christian Girl

            Whaaat! Jesus was well known for raping his slave girls???? Where is that written. Show me one historical document that even reports of a sin he committed! You will find none!

          • LesleyVivien

            1 Find dictionary
            2. Look up irony.
            3. Come back if you need help.

          • Charles

            Funny you should suggest Bangladesh. I lived there for 7 years. First in the Tejgaon and Dhanmondi areas of Dhaka, then in Boilapur and finally in Savar. So out of all the places on earth, you chose what you thought would be the most convincing place to show how your poison is better than Islam’s poison and after tasting both I can STILL tell that they are both poison.
            Nice try, though.

          • Drakken

            Really? Please by all means show us where Christianity is poison then, go on I dare you? Let me guess, your one of those hapless do gooders who was in the peace Corps right or some other aid org.

          • vladdy1

            Hey, you forgot to bash the Hindus. But I guess it’s more fun for the MA’s to go after Jesus.

          • Charles

            Hinduism is a disgusting and filthy disease, as is Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, Sikhism, Mormonism, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Catholicism, Protestantism, Sunni Islam, Shiite Islam, Ahmedi Islam and every other strain of the virus called “religion”.
            I’ve always been curious about something; is it a burden or a crutch that theists always seem to feel that only there specific virus is being persecuted?

          • Avengeme

            I don’t really classify Buddhism as a religion even though it is widely perceived as one. There is no theology, no worship of a deity or deification of the Buddha. Buddhism takes a very straightforward look at our human condition; nothing is based on wishful thinking, at all. Everything that the Buddha taught was based on his own observation of the way things are. Everything that he taught can be verified by our own observation of the way things are.

          • Charles

            Buddhism began as a philosophy, but Siddartha’s teachings have been twisted into what is definitely a religion today. I studied Buddhism in Luang Prabang, Laos and a few villages in Northern Thailand in 2002. Buddha is now very much worshiped as a god. The ceremonies offering rice, milk, beer and incense were very reminiscent of Catholic ceremonies today.

          • Avengeme

            Damn, that’s too bad. :(

          • ziggy zoggy

            Derangedgeek,

            Why is it too bad? The only reason you fancied Buddhism is because it isn’t Christianity. With the amount of hatred you feel for people who don’t share your opinions, you’d be much better off converting to islam anyway.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Churl,

            Catholics do not offer up food and incense to God. You are an emotionally stunted moron.

          • Drakken

            I would love to throw you into an Islamic cesspool for a couple months, you would definitely have a come to Jesus moment and I would bet good money on that.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Churl,

            atheism is almost as vile as islam. It racked up an unparalleled body count in the twentieth century and most atheists are filled with just as much hate as your average islamithecine. They’re just as ignorant too. You’re a perfect example.

            Admit it. You’d love to own some Christian slaves.

          • Ace

            The Christians in Indonesia, Egypt, Syria, and Iraq aren’t asking why they’re the only one’s being persecuted. Their question is more specific, namely, Why are Muslims killing us and burning our churches? The Buddhists in Thailand aren’t asking why they they’re the only ones being persecuted, they’re asking why Muslims are killing them.

            Your loathing of any and all religion is sad to see. You appear to believe that only atheists are noble and undiseased. Ziggy zoggy’s comment just beneath mine makes the appropriate point that atheism has no lock on reason and decency. Do tell me. If theists are diseased, in what way do atheists demonstrate infallible reasoning and conduct?

          • ziggy zoggy

            Except that Christianity isn’t poison, while islam and atheism are. Both of those faiths are based on hatred.

        • Leo L Hunter

          This is the kind of sidestepping foolishness that you often hear the religious spew. Firstly the religious claim that the bible is the perfect word of god and should be followed exactly. Yet we find rape, murder, genocide and a host of other disgusting things held as tenants at one time or another through religious history. How could it be that “god” did not know that he was so fractally wrong!? HOW!? Oh! That’s right these are just the words of the men who had power at the time. That book is a snapshot of the morality of violent, ignorant, tribal desert dwelling gangsters. Yet here we are today thousands of years later with this foolishness still being taken seriously! With people like you having the nerve to talk about another religion when Christianity is just as disgusting. You take shots at Muhamed when we can at least show that he existed. Where is your evidence for “Christ?” Where?! You like all the others have none, zero, zip, zilch but you still talk as if you do. By the way the Christians have been just as violent as Muhamed and even worst. The fact that some Christian sects “stay with the times” is just testament to the failing of the “perfect word of god” if it were perfect we would be catching up to it! Not running away, down playing and denying it’s examples.

          • vladdy1

            Nobody gets as nasty about what other people believe as the MA’s. Man, they really hate faith. Course, they do forget to mention how many millions were killed by atheists like the communists. .

          • Avengeme

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_communism

            Started the whole thing, try again.

          • Drakken

            Little commi’s like you really do try don’t you? How special.

          • Avengeme

            Neanderthals like you really have to resort to name calling and bigotry to try and get their pathetic attempts at a point across don’t you? How “special”

          • Drakken

            You don’t like it when we play by the same rules you lefties play by, you cry foul and have little fits when we hoist you upon you own petards, get used to it.

          • Avengeme

            I’m not crying anything, in fact your abundant stupidity has been quite entertaining. Alas, I have things to do and can’t keep proving your theology wrong over and over so I’m done replying, all your attempting to do at this point is scream insults to attempt to get a reaction. If I wanted that I’d go hang out with some kindergarten students, I’d get that AND some semi intellectual responses as well.

          • Drakken

            I have responded in the same form as you communist do, and you little effing leftards don’t like it, too bad haji. To respond with a intellectual response, it takes talking to someone with an intellect, and you ain’t it Sparky. Now go cry to you mommy, she might give you a cookie.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Kindergarten? Isn’t that where middle aged muslim men go to find wives? Are you sure you’re an atheist?

          • ziggy zoggy

            Wikipedia? An amateur encyclopedia that is edited by any ret@rd with web access? Why don’t you just link to your Twitter account?

          • ziggy zoggy

            They won’t even admit what a major component of communism that atheism is. Kind of like when lefties won’t admit Hitler was a socialist. Atheists are basically nihilistic hatemongers who think social policies hold all the answers. Is it any wonder there are so few conservative atheists?

          • Drakken

            You don’t know your history very well do you? I see the re-education camp you attended did its job.
            There is absolutely no moral equivalence between Christianity/Judaism and islam, and if your too slow or thick to get it, there is nn helping you other than smacking you in the head with a 2 by 4.

          • Charles

            And yet you provide no proof, evidence or even examples to contradict him.

          • Drakken

            Hey we are just playing by the same rules you leftys are playing by, and sure enough, you leftys get your panties in a bunch because we don’t just roll over and die and take the so called high moral ground anymore, well Sparky, get used to it. We are no longer turning the other cheek.

          • Jason Lichter

            Yeah – you are right Leo – the illiterate pedophile definitely existed – no doubts about that. Christ actually DID exist as well.
            Your “argument” has no foundation.
            You say he existed….so I suppose his ignorant ramblings which are pure hatred and evil – not to mention EXTREMELY contradictory is right??????
            Religion is ALL bullshit – and I was raised as Jew. The fact is MAN wrote every version of every bible out there – it is a FEEL GOOD _ DO GOOD model for mankind to follow – to better ourselves and also to give people a reason to live better and more wholesome lives for fear of what might await as punishment in an afterlife. NOTHING WRONG with a book of ideals which is designed to mold man into a better species.
            Those who follow Islam are the only ones who have not evolved and gotten past our rotten human nature and no longer practice the evils that Islam preaches.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Christianity and Judaism have never had a doctrine of jihad (the subjugation and murder of all unbelievers) and there is no historical record of Mohhamad. There is absolutely no moral equivalence between islam and any other religion. All the religions of the world are at peace with each other but one.

          • Anon

            “we find rape, murder, genocide and a host of other disgusting things held as tenants ”

            What kind of landlord does that?

        • Avengeme

          Christianity is just as evil and corrupt as Islam, your just better at hiding it. Don’t kid yourself.

          • vladdy1

            Please go to threligionofpeace.com, read it, and then come back and give us your comparable Christian link.

          • Drakken

            Careful, you will give that militant atheist a serious case of the vapors.

          • Avengeme

            Oh boohoo someone doesn’t believe in your fallacy of a god. Did I strike a nerve? lol…zelot.

          • Drakken

            It’s ok leftard, stupid leftys like you believe that every thing is relative. Please by all means, go live in the Middle and far east for awhile and then come back and tell us how bad and mean us Christians are.

          • ziggy zoggy

            You should try striking a dictionary, you ignoramus.

          • Avengeme

            I don’t need a “link” all you have to do is read a history book. The crusades, Salem witch trials, the French wars of religion, etc, etc, etc, etc….

          • Drakken

            God bless the Crusades! Otherwise you leftist dolt, we would still be in the dark ages like the bloody muslims are today.

          • defcon 4

            Ironic, an islam0nazi apologist bringing up the Salem Witch Trials in defense of islam — when just last year a sorcerer and witch were beheaded in Soddy Barbaria.

          • Charles

            You still miss his point, even when he puts it on a silver platter for you. Can you find anywhere that he says anything positive about Islam? He simply hands you the obvious truth that your mental illness is the same as Muslim’s mental illness.

          • Jason Lichter

            Disagreed – sure all religion has a degree of bullshit to it – but the shit that Muslims follow is the worst and since every other religion HAS grown up over time and they haven;t YOUR arguments hold no water – a savage ideology for a group of savages.

          • ziggy zoggy

            The point is that the little cretin came to a thread about the latest islamic atrocity and used it as an excuse to demonize Christianity. Just like you did. Your contemptible hatred for people who do you no harm is the real mental illness.

          • Avengeme

            Are you fucking thick? I’m not defending Islam, it’s fucking pathetic just like every other goddamn religion on the fucking planet including whatever fucking god you pray too. This asshole should be tried, and thrown in jail or fucking deported.

            Comprehend it now or shall I dumb it down further for you by making it rhyme?

          • ziggy zoggy

            Your avatar already shows how far you’re dumbed down.

          • ziggy zoggy

            History is over, moron. Not that the examples you listed are accurate, but none of them exist in the present world.

          • Charles
          • ziggy zoggy

            Islamopithecines have murdered at least 61 innocent people in the last week. There are no comparable statistics at the idiotic website you linked.

            Complete failure on your part, douchetard.

          • Drakken

            So in other words, your a peter puffer. No wonder why you whine and cry like a little bitch.

          • Drakken

            Your living proof that you just can’t fix stupid, not even with duct tape, and for the sake of humanity please don’t breed.

          • Avengeme

            Says the guy that believes in fairy tales, lol….your opinion means less to me than that of a dung beetle.

          • Drakken

            Please step away from the crackpipe before you hurt someone.

          • Avengeme

            Do you have anything worthwhile to contribute or did you just come here to blindly throw insults and claim “atheists try” when your blatantly proven wrong, over, and over, and over, and over, and over again

            Militant Christian projecting his issues onto others, pretty much par for the course…lol.

          • Drakken

            Funny how you whine and complain when one of you leftards are hoisted upon your own petard. I haven’t been proven wrong in any way, shape, or form. You on the other hand have given us no facts, just feelings over substance. So quit your sniveling.

          • Avengeme

            I’m not having a battle of wits with someone who’s clearly unarmed. You have fun trying to lick your elbow.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Between you, Churl and Leoser it’s more like a prattle of twits.

          • Drakken

            In a battle of wits, you must first have wits to begin with, witless. Silly leftard, go cry to your mommy, maybe she might give you a hug and a nice glass of milk and tell you how special you really are. How quaint. When you went to school, I’ll bet that they gave you a trophy for just showing up didn’t they?

          • ziggy zoggy

            You trolls always claim not to care, but here you are. You’re lucky stupidity isn’t fatal.

          • ziggy zoggy

            So Christians are murdering people all around the world in secret? Are they disguised as muslims?

        • Sofia

          The Orthodox Church never has and never will condone rape and victimization of women. The Catholic Church is the most backwards Christian Church with medieval practices (ie.Opus Dei’s Corporal Mortification, re -enactment of Christ’s pation in the Philipines…etc..) and beliefs (no divorce, no contraception…etc), that are still alive today. Orthodox Christians have suffered and still suffer horible things from muslims, so we find it very offensive to be compared to them. Do not confuse the beliefs and practices of some stupid, illiterate and “self-righteous” little men with the Orthodox Christian Dogma, they have no place in our church.

          • Sofia

            P.S.
            The Orthodox Church believes and follows the New Testament, not the Old which is nothing more than Jewish history. To us only the word of Jesus is important.

          • Jason Lichter

            Sofia…please don’t ever forget that the other religions were founded by fall away JEWS. Jesus was a Jew who decided he had a better idea about how things should be than the Jews did – he was shunned by the Jewish elders for what equates to blasphemy.
            You say “Only the word of Jesus is important” yet you fail to recognize that word was all based on JEWISH TEACHING AND PRACTICES. The Old Testament as you so eloquently stated was nothing more than History is what Jesus BASED all of his own ideals on.
            Something else you should keep in mind – it was not till THREE HUNDRED YEARS AFTER HIS DEATH that anyone even spoke of a NEW religion – and another 1600 years before any NEW Testament was ever created – after being EDITED by MEN who also just happened to be some of the worst and tyrannical leaders ever to have existed.

          • Ace

            So c. 333 AD a NEW religion was EDITED by MEN who also just happened to be some of the worst and [most] tyrannical leaders ever to have existed? Or was the New Testament created c. 1933 after being edited by tyrannical leaders before its creation? Who were those editors?

        • Jeff Bowles

          “No Christian church will condone rape or victimization of women or children today.”

          Except the Catholics. What, have you been hiding under a rock for the past two decades ?

          • defcon 4

            Um, when has the Catholic Church ever had a stated policy that rape was condoned? Being the most important man and founder of Christianty, when and where did Yeshua ever condone rape?

          • Charles

            Where did he condemn it?
            OOOOOPS!

          • ziggy zoggy

            So Jesus was a bad, bad man because he never reminded people that rape was wrong. Brilliant.

          • vladdy1

            You call that “condoning”? Also, there’s an interesting history contained in any history of “The Long March” that tells of the Communist infiltration of the seminaries after WWII that may be of interest to MA’s in general and Catnolic-haters in particular.

        • vladdy1

          Interesting how muslim articles always get commenters who bash Christianity.

          • Avengeme

            We’re not bashing just Christians, but you seem to put yourselves on pedestals that are VERY CLEARLY undeserved. Your religion is just as violent as Islam, and thats plainly documented in ANY history book. Educate yourself.

          • Drakken

            It is obvious that it is you who needs the education leftard.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Derangedgeek,

            Christianity has no tenet of jihad, therefore it is in no way as violent as islam. There are no Christians flying planes into buildings, strapping suicide bombs to their children or murdering their mothers in the name of “honor.”

            Attempt to equate benevolent Christianity with the supremacist death cult of islam: DENIED.

          • N. Wasse

            Mr Einstein number three we are not talking about Christianity or did you not notice let me guess you are clueless right?

          • Alec Petersen

            You’d have us believing that groups of people whose ancestors stoned people to death thousands of years ago are the same as those still doing it. Forget atrocities of Islam in history; they’re in current affairs every day.

          • Sam Cane

            It’s their pet false analogy to compare Christianity to islam – in which they time-warp back to the dark ages. They’ll tell you that comparing them to a host of brutal secular governments is a false analogy, and it is. Modern secular liberals are living proof that Christianity is not like islam.

        • Naomi

          I’m sorry that you think Mormons would condone the rape or victimization of women and children. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints teaches that women and children should be protected and cherished just as any Christian church would.

        • Joshua

          Wonder if Muhammed was a psychopath who “saw” visions of things that weren’t really there and based a whole religion upon it. So come on Muslims, bring on your Sherian law against me…

        • v markwell

          well said

        • Mad Mike

          Islam sucks, but your grasp on Christianity does too.

          Simply put there is no God so the argument isn’t about which religion is better, it’s all about how disgusting Islam is and how full of crap it’s followers are.

      • Joseph R. Meece

        There is no where in the Bible does it say that it is okay to rape anyone. Everywhere in the Bible that says about sex, it states only in marriage. It states about immoral sexual acts as being a sin so you have to be wrong on this one.

      • Alec Petersen

        Cite a few verses if you please. Id be particularly interested in any verses where Christ himself advocates, promotes, or engages in rape. Perhaps some Bible verses address rape, the key difference is that the Bible was written by many authors over hundreds of years; the Koran was written by Muhammed, and he is for raping women and children and killing unbelievers.

        • Erik
        • Leo L Hunter

          Challenge accepted. Christ, if he existed there is no evidence to show that he did, does not directly address rape. Or so it seems. Christians have conviently forgotten that Christ always was (in their mythos) and is the same as god. Everything in the old testament is according to christ’s law. So in Deuteronomy 22:28-29 where it talks about a woman having to marry her rapist this is according to what christ demands. All the words of the bible are the perfect word of your god no? The parts where slaves are told to obey their masters that is all christ’s law no? Zechariah 14:1-2 Here your god directly says that he will help women get ravished. You might be saying “but Leo, that is old testament and Jesus, if he existed, is so different…” That is because you have forgetten this gem Matt 5:18 – For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. – Crack open your bible for yourself. Everything in the bible should be followed, so says your god. But wait there is more! Your bible also says to kill unbelievers! You did not know?! Deuteronomy 13:7-12 Commands that you kill people of other religions, even if they be your own kin. 2 Kings 2:23-24 your loving Jesus has 2 shebears kill children. Isaiah 13:15-18 Children ordered to be killed infront of their parents and women raped. If you have a bible crack it open and read for yourself. I am not making this up.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            In Deuteronomy 22, he seduces her and sleeps her without arranging a marriage. He then has to marry the girl and is not allowed to divorce her. The father or the girl can refuse the marriage.

            Zechariah, the women are raped by the invading armies, not by G-d.

            2 Kings 2, they’re teenage water carriers who lost their living when the water was purified and were stoning the prophet.

          • vladdy1

            None of those are in the New Testament, which is the Holy scripture that instructs Christians in behavior and belief. Now let’s hear from the NT, not the Jewish history book.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            I’m Jewish and responding to attacks on Judaism. You’re free to defend your own religion how you please.

          • Jason Lichter

            Damn straight Daniel!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Charles

            Your story book says that god is “the same, yesterday today and tomorrow”. So if he condoned it then, he condones it now.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Do you have a reading disability?

          • Simon Timothy

            In NT nobody can show that it allows Christians to rape or encourages rape for any reason. It is sin.

          • David Rosenthal

            Leo…the simple fact is that you are either unable to grasp what you read or are set on libel. I opened the Bible to Isaiah 13 as you asked, and I found that the things you claimed are untrue. That which you call orders is nothing more than prophecy, a foretelling of what is to come. Men do as they choose. That is why you are able to lie. But the time of your judgment approaches. Repent. Hell is real.

          • vladdy1

            I read as far as “Christ is the same as God.” It’s “Christ is the SON of God.,” a part of the Holy Trinity.

          • Charles

            Oh, so your perfect god and your perfect messiah disagree?

          • Alec Petersen

            Some pretty far out spin there. God is the same as Christ, the Old Testament is the same as the New, etc….all in an effort to link Christ to rape, I have to say I am impressed. What a great mystery you have solved, the Christian God and Christ are rapists! It sucks that you had to do all that scholarly hard work to prove it. One thing you have to admire about Muhammad is that he just lays it out there; he is the divine grand champion of rape.

          • Simon Timothy

            “Challenge accepted. Christ, if he existed there is no evidence to show that he did” – Re-visit your history. There are more non-Biblical records for Jesus’s existence and His life than you have for Julius Caesar! Your initial understanding is wrong and hence your following arguments which are based on your initial assumption.

          • Leo L Hunter

            Show us your evidence.

      • Simon Timothy

        Read the Bible properly. Bible records incidents that happened accurately and does not report biased news like our present media. That does not mean that God of the Bible has approved all such murders and sexual abuses, the ‘Ten Commandments’ itself will teach you about the God whom you do not know. Read the Bible and not any research of internet articles, read the Bible. Roman Catholics or Pope do not represent the God of the Bible or ‘Christians’. They are not even connected with ‘Christ’ of the Bible.

        • Dan Garrett

          Read the top 4 of the Ten Commandments and you will see what is considered important. All have to do with believing in god, You have to get to number 6 before you hit something important. Only 2 of the commandments mention anything that we consider wrong enough to have a law against it. As far as reading the bible, there is nothing peace loving about it.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Where is the Biblical Commandment to rape, you stupid @$$hole? Since when do oppressive American laws replace morality? And what verse in the Bible commands its adherents to rape, murder and pillage with pedophiliac glee?

            Attempt to equate Christianity with islam: DENIED.

          • Dan Garrett

            Thats my point, we all agree rape is wrong, yet it does not make god’s top ten list of how we should lead our lives. Why I look at the list, the priorities seem very strange. #1 Should be killing, #2 doing any physical harm to anyone, #3 maybe stealing… you get the point. Much more important than the top items on the list now.

          • ziggy zoggy

            And that equates Christianity to the gutter cult of islam how………?

            Who says the Ten Commandments are listed in order of descending importance? And who says rape is the worst atrocity there is?

            Your point is that you want to defend the genocidal cult of islam by defaming Christianity.

            Get bent.

          • Dan Garrett

            I am not defending anyone who rapes. I am also not defending Islam. I just don’t see much difference between the two religions. So where would you put rape on the badness scale? Your words “And who says rape is the worst atrocity there is?” It must be near the top of the list.

          • defcon 4

            I think you would be much happier in any islamic state then, there aren’t many Christians in any of ‘em and they’re disappearing faster than you can make your arguments of false equivalence.

          • Drakken

            If you cannot see the difference your much to stupid to get it. Open up a newspaper shortbus, you see islam at its finest every bloody day.

          • defcon 4

            We all know islamic atrocities and persecution aren’t reported in the enemedia.

          • ziggy zoggy

            The extreme differences between the two religions have been cited up and down this thread. You choose to ignore them. And the Ten Commandments are not a list of sins, they are religious instructions. Besides, number Ten instructs people not to covet ANYTHING that belongs to your neighbor.

          • Avengeme

            Your religion and precious “God” have been the cause of more pain and suffering on this planet than any other religion or ideology. Islam is just a few thousand years late in it’s ignorance, your religion got all it’s bullshit out a while ago but don’t for one goddamn minute think that your shit hole religion is better than any other. I assure you it’s not.

          • Leo L Hunter

            Well I am glad you asked. Isaiah 13:15-18 Children ordered to be killed infront of their parents and women raped. Romans 1:24-32 God will kill homosexuals and lesbians among others that he deems to be “evil.” Deuteronomy 13:7-12 Kill followers of other religions. 2 Chronicles 15:12-13 It command that you should kill everyone who does not believe in your god. You sought and lo! You have found.

          • ziggy zoggy

            And how do those passages have any compulsion for contemporary people? Do they command anybody to obey them? Fuck no. They only applied to a select group of people who went extinct thousands of years ago. None of those passages apply to Christians in perpetuity. They were never even meant to apply to the people they addressed perpetually.

            Epic fail, @$$hole. Islam is the only religion that exults in genocide. The pedophile false prophet said so himself, p!ss be upon him.

            Drink some camel p!ss. Lil Mo said it’s good for your health.

          • David Rosenthal

            Liar.

          • Avengeme

            Idiot.

          • Drakken

            Hey shortbus, the Christians are not doing those things in todays world, your muslim friends are, see the bloody difference?

        • Leo L Hunter

          I have read the bible and it is one of the reasons among many why I no long believe. You think the bible proves things because you obviously do not know what evidence and proof are.

          • glpage

            Consider that belief in the big bang theory and belief in creation as set forth in Genesis both end up relying on faith. Faith in God or faith that nothing existed and out of that nothingness the universe exploded into existence.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Straw man argument: denied. Christianity and Judaism are faith based. No proof necessary.

        • Avengeme

          Keep cherry picking your precious fictional novel, can’t stand being proven wrong so you people come back with “but but but your not reading it CORRECTLY”

          Typical theist bullshit.

      • Chaz_Martel

        Every time I read of some moron who tries to draw a moral equivalence between the world’s most backward religion, Islam, and the light of the world, Christianity, I want to vomit in disgust at such abject and uninformed stupidity and bigotry..

        • Leo L Hunter

          What makes Christianity so much better than Islam?

          • Chaz_Martel

            By virtue of even having to ask that question means you are far too opaque to understand the answer.

          • Chaz_Martel

            I will give you a hint. Christ famously said, “By their fruits ye shall know them.”

            Consider the ‘fruits’ of Christianity, aka Western civilization, including democracy; entrenched codes of human rights including free speech and gender equality; free enterprise and the unleashing of the human spirit; as well as the hard sciences and a technologically advanced culture.

            Consider the ‘fruits’ of Islam in the modern age. Primitive ‘desert’ cultures who depend on Western technology and innovation even to develop their oil and gas resources; a religio/ideological philosophy which has only produced a culture still mired in the 7th century, including the hanging of homosexuals, the stoning of women. the wearing of nigabs (bandito masks) and the black shroud which is the burqa (mobile beekeeper suit); the denying of equal rights to women including education, the right to drive, to go outside the home without a male escort etc.

            Like I said in my previous posting, if you have to ask about the qualitative difference between Christianity and Islam you are far too opaque to understand the answer.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Our actions and words and faith. Nobody on the planet is more contemptible than islamopithecines. Their words and deeds are proof positive.

          • David Rosenthal

            Christianity teaches to love ones enemy. Islam teaches to kill onbes enemy. There is a start, but there is so much more.

          • tracy

            Some of the stuff in the old testament is really appalling.

          • David Rosenthal

            Perhaps you missed the teaching of the apostle Paul and Jesus Christ that Christians are under a new covenant in his blood that supercedes the old law.

          • tracy

            Yeah i know all about through the grace of God and Jesus blood….

          • Charles

            You seriously believe that loving your enemy is a virtue? pathetic.

          • glpage

            When was the last time Christian terrorists flew airplanes into skyscrapers? When was the last time Christian terrorists detonated a home made bomb amongst innocent civilians? When was the last time Christian terrorists decapitated a journalist? We could go on with this. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not really big on Christianity, I tend to run kind of really agnostic. But nowadays, most Christians are just as horrified at terrorist acts as I would hope you are. Most Christian leaders are not calling for death to the infidels and non-believers. Islam does.

          • Avengeme

            Your correct, I would never assume to believe otherwise. Although, Christians are at the forefront in North America of taking away rights from Gay and Lesbian members of society, Christians were also at the forefront (and still are in some backwards southern states) of the slavery trade and holding back of rights to anyone that isn’t white.

            While it’s 100% true that the majority of Christians and Catholics do not advocate for physical violence they have moved into much more subversive forms of hatred. They don’t blow up buildings, they blow up the human spirit.

          • Drakken

            If you really believe all that, you truly are brain dead as they come. No Christian or Jewish sect is actively calling for the killing of anyone or taking away anyones rights not Christian or Jew, but by being a obtuse leftist as you are, it is telling that either you are a minority with a huge chip on their shoulder or your left of Lenin, either way, your a clear and present danger to us in the west. It is goofy leftist like you who believe in curtailing peoples free speech rights because it hurts your poor precious feelings, well get used to having your feelings hurt, because if you try to curtail our free speech, we will fight you over it.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Gay Americans have the same rights as heteros. (Marriage is a hetero custom and is defined as a union of a man and a woman – it is not a right. Gays are free to institute their own custom of union but activists prefer to try and coopt marriage and force their agenda on the unwilling.) The slave trade was an economic practice and not a religious one. So called minorities have more rights than Whites do in America. If you don’t believe in the spirit, how do Christians blow it up?

            And all this is connected to a raping imam how?

          • defcon 4

            Brilliant question. Maybe you can conduct some hands-on research into this matter. Pack up your family members — particularly women and move to an islamic state. Proceed to publicly and loudly criticise islam while you’re there. Evaluate your results.

          • Drakken

            If we have to explain it to you, your too stupid to understand it.

      • defcon 4

        Yeshua never preached any of the crap you attribute to him. Neither did Hillel. GFY.

      • N. Wasse

        Mr Einstein: What does Christianity have to do with a creep Muslim Sheikh that molested two women? Enlighten us please or shut up

        • vladdy1

          Easy. He’d much rather believe we’re forgetting about the morality of Mohammed as we discuss Christianity. Fortunately, our minds can hold two thoughts at once.

          • N. Wasse

            Mr Einstein number four: Did you ever hear of the “never multiply entities” or are you that clueless?

      • ziggy zoggy

        Nowhere in the Bible does God approve of raping slaves.

        Fucking ret@rd.

      • LindaRivera

        Unless you repent of your vile, filthy EVIL blasphemy against the HOLY ONE, you will tremble uncontrollably on the Day of Judgment.

        • Avengeme

          lol….uh huh. You keep thinking that nutjob.

        • Charles

          I am really not worried that Santa Claus will pass me by on Christmas.

          • ziggy zoggy

            I’m guessing you prefer the tooth fairy.

      • LindaRivera

        G-d’s BIBLICAL requirement for ALL humanity is KINDNESS:

        Bible, Micah 6:8 And what does the L-RD require of you but to do justice to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your G-d.

        There is NO Golden Rule in Islam.

        Jesus said in the Bible in Matthew 7:12 “Treat people the same way you want them to treat you for this is the Law and the Prophets.”

      • Connie Alsip

        Exact reference, you dilusional Muzzie.

      • Gina Perez

        You must still be in the “Old Testament Dude”. God sent his son Jesus to show us how to love our brothers and sisters. Get born again and focus on “The New Testament” and try to become a little more Jesuslike.

        • Charles

          Again, your story book says that god is “the same yesterday, today and tomorrow”. So all the horrors and atrocities that gave him wood in the OT, still give him wood in the NT and today.

          • ziggy zoggy

            So you think God is going to repeat everything in the Bible? And that he gets off on horror and atrocity? Are you ret@rded?

      • ziggy zoggy

        Christianity does not claim God rewards those who murder non Christians and it does not order them to slay and subjugate “infidels.”

        You are full of $hit.

      • IvanRider

        One need only look at a canon Bible, declared canon due to how internally coherent and consistent the texts are, and how there is more evidence they were written by who they are said to be written by than there is any proof existing today of anything Plato ever allegedly wrote. (And nobody questions Plato!)

        To say the so-called “Gospel of Thomas” can be counted as part of the faith is like saying that MLK was a co-signer of the Declaration of Independence.

        And your assessment his morbidly distorted. No church I know of advocates pouring acid on a woman’s face simply because you don’t approve of her fiance. Sure, the Old Testament Jews were told that a manipulative young woman who uses her father’s marriage bed for prostitution could be executed. Sure, a drunken promiscuous man who did nothing but cause trouble could also be executed. But rape was NEVER given the thumbs up! And if a woman were raped, the man was always given the blame. NEVER was it okay to kill the woman due to her having been defiled against her will.

        The “honor” killing system seen in Shitlam is NOWHERE in any version of the Torah or Bible. However, a similar barbaric system still exists in some sects of Hinduism. Though, even many Hindus have abandoned it as barbaric and backwards.

      • Christian Girl

        Orville, this sounds like a great time for you to cite book, chapter and verse of where the “Christian God” approves of such things! Christianity begins with the New Testament, so I’m waiting to learn!

  • Gee

    They also claim as a religious ‘right’ genocide, ethnic cleansing and slavery.

    • Drakken

      The Serbs missed this guy, hopefully we won’t.

      • Muslim Comments

        So you are calling for mass executions of Muslims? And you call Muslims terrorist!!!!! What an asshole you are.

        • Drakken

          It is going to come to that sooner or later, your going to push us infidels to the wall and then it will be game on. So by all means go back to the Islamic paradise of your choice, islam is wearing out its welcome here. God bless the Crusades!

          • hiernonymous

            “It is going to come to that sooner or later, your going to push us infidels to the wall and then it will be game on.”

            You feeling pushed to the wall, are you?

          • Drakken

            The Europeans are, and once that powder keg is set off, it will spread here.

          • Charles

            It’s funny how Christians are so terrified by a group that makes up 1/2% of the US population, even if that 1/2% does belong to the Muslim strain of the Religion Virus.

          • defcon 4

            Duh ‘tard, some people have noticed the ongoing persecution of everyone non-muslime (and frequently women) that goes on in all your islamic states.

          • Charles

            Help! Help! I’m being oppressed! LMAO @ cowards like you!

          • Drakken

            Silly commi, soon you will be given a choice, with the muslims or us infidels?

          • ziggy zoggy

            Churl,

            That looks like something an islamopithecine would write.

          • ziggy zoggy

            You feeling turned on, are you? You want a game on you?

            This isn’t a gay pride parade or a rest stop bathroom. Pull your pants up.

          • Connie Alsip

            asshat. pfft

          • hiernonymous

            You seem nearly as hostile to gays as you are to Muslims. Your hatred of Muslims seems to be linked, at least in part, to the failure of your intimate relationship with a Muslim; perhaps your derisive obsession with gays has similar roots?

        • Paula Magnuson

          go back to where you came from and do as you please but not in america!!

        • kato

          Muslims are committing genocide against any non-muslims, its in your koran that every muslim follows, to kill all “infidels.” Stop being such a stupid, ignorant asshole yourself and see that muslims have started a war with every non-muslim on the planet by worshipping violence. Of course we call you terrorists, muslims use every opportunity to terrorize non-muslims and muslims alike. How many Christians or Jews have been suicide bombers? Thats correct–none. You deserve to be executed, just as you all seek to execute everyone not like you. Try to evolve by first stopping your murder and rape and terrorization of women and children. Then stop searching through your own shit for your false god allah. There is only one God, and thats the one worshipped by Christians and Jews. Try educating yourselves on exactly how your ideology you call your religion first began. Its not in the koran, its in historical fact. Tit for tat, asshole.

        • Joseph R. Meece

          Not all Muslims are terrorist but most of the terrorist are Muslim. Just like the KKK say they believe in God but are against people that aren’t like them. No one wants mass executions of anyone. In the teaching of Jesus he calls for all Christians to love their neighbor. Their neighbor means Love everyone that will love you back. All through the Bible in the New Testament it states the teachings of Christ which is to believe with all your heart, repent of sins etc. But when Jesus is asked, “What is the best commandment?” Jesus said, “Love one another.”

          • Dan Garrett

            Timothy Mcveigh was a christian terrorist. His wanted to start a race war motivated by his christian religion.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Timmy hated Christians and Christianity.

            Attempt to use crusty old canard: DENIED.

          • Dan Garrett

            No he was a Catholic.

          • ziggy zoggy

            No he was a socialist atheist who hated the government.

            Try again, douchetard.

          • defcon 4

            LOL, excellent appellation!

          • Charles

            Ah, so you love the government. Please say something to show how much you love President Barack Hussein Obama.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Ah, so you are putting words in my mouth. I guess you’re used to having things shoved in your mouth. And out. And back in. Is it halal?

          • Darlene Johnson

            No. Timothy McVeigh was most definitely NOT a Christian. That is a leftwing lie.

          • Darlene Johnson

            The real question is: What religion says Christians and Jews are monkeys and pigs? What religion mutilates female genitals? What religion says sharia law must rule over all other law? Islam. What else? Only Islam is at war with the world. Look at all the wars going on and see what religion is involved in most of them. ISLAM, the religion of violence.

          • Josh

            That’s funny, which religion(s) call for mutilation of male genitals?

          • defcon 4

            Maybe you haven’t noticed the difference yet, but women aren’t men.

          • Avengeme

            How the fuck is the difference important you fucking moron

          • defcon 4

            FGM is not circumcision, not matter how hard you try to equate the two ahmed.

          • Avengeme

            Lol I’m a white male you ignorant fuck, nice try at an insult though.

          • defcon 4

            Your point being Ahmed?

          • Drakken

            You got that right, you are a leftist/commi ignorant fuck. Keep up the great work.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Islam. Islamopithecines cut their tiny peckers in imitation of the Jews they hate so much. Losers. Wannabes.

          • Charles

            Sorry, tiny! Middle East peckers are second in size only to the “porch monkeys” you slandered earlier. US men, along with those of a few other Christian countries have the smallest ding-dongs!

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/19/penis-map_n_3953318.html

          • ziggy zoggy

            Churl,

            Did you verify that personally? You seem like a hands on type of guy. Stupid and delusional, but grabby. And no matter how much experience Arianna Huffington has at one night stands, nothing on her website is reliable – especially this howler.

            Now I know you’re an islamopithecine troll.

            And oh, yeah. Arab and Near Eastern women are constantly complaining about the tiny peckers over there. I guess that’s why the islamopithecines have to enslave them just to get laid. And why the ones who are free like Jewish and Western dudes.

          • ziggy zoggy

            No religion mutilates male genitals. A circumsized penis is far cleaner and healthier than a pointy one. Unless you think weiner cheese and possible cancer of the unit are preferable.

            Do you also object to body piercing s and tattoos? How about shaving and haircuts?

          • defcon 4

            Proof please. Prove McVeigh was Christian.

          • Dan Garrett

            One cannot prove the religion of another person. There is no test one must pass to belong to a religious group. The only measurement we have is his own words. He was raised a Catholic. Before his execution, McVeigh took the Catholic sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick. This in not something an Atheist would do. So we have to take him at his word that he was religious. One could argue he was not a good Christian. I would agree. But he was a Christian Terrorist. I just want to point out the phrase all Muslims are not terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim is just not accurate. No terrorism can be condoned, just as no killing can be condoned because because you don’t agree with another religion. For those who say the Bible does preach killing ‘ They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.” All religions have a dark side.

          • defcon 4

            LOL, muslime terrorists make it pretty damn clear why they’re killing the najjis kaffir. McVeigh never spouted any biblical verses in support of his actions. Nice try loser, but you FAIL.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Wrong. McVeigh claimed to be an atheist and was not waging a religious war against unbelievers.

          • Connie Alsip

            F#ck off and die.

          • Harald Eigerson

            Are you sure? I thought he said he was an atheist (your religion) and that his buddy Nichols trained with the Moros down in the Phiippines.

          • Drakken

            Hey I think the shortbus is outside waiting to pick you up to take you to the special school window licker.

        • defcon 4

          ANd muslimes don’t? ANd muslimes aren’t currently doing so in Nigeria? Or W. Papua New Guinea?

        • N. Wasse

          I urge you to leave Islam and say goodbye to the Arabs and their imperialism

        • ziggy zoggy

          Mass execution of muslims. Mass execution of terrorists. What the fuck’s the difference?

          • Connie Alsip

            There is none. Muslims = terrorists. smh

        • Darlene Johnson

          No. Muslims are calling for massive deaths of Christians and Jews, In fact they burn down Christian churches with the Christians still in them! If that isn’t terrorist thinking then what is?

          • defcon 4

            4 synagogues have been blown up by muslimes in the 21st century: two in Turkey (on the same day) and two in Argentina.

        • N. Wasse

          Millions of your Hindu ancestors were subjected to mass executions by your Muslim masters that invaded India right Mr Arab wannabe?

    • Muslim Comments

      They do not– that is total bullshit

      • defcon 4

        The actions of your fellow musloids speak louder than your lame lies.

      • Dina Dunkelman

        So Boko Haram in Nigeria is a western conspiracy? Persecution of Christians in the Middle East is a conspiracy? Al Shabaab attacks in Kenya? Terrorism in Thailand, Indonesia, Phillipines, Acid attacks on women in Pakistan, The rape epidemic Muslim immigrants spread all over Europe… You’re saying all of that is a Western conspiracy?
        Here’s the problem with all that Cultural sensitivity training:
        Westerners are demanded to be sensitive, but no such demand is placed on you. So here I am, Muslim Comments, to place this demand: Unless and until Church building is legal in Saudi Arabia as Mosque buildings are all over the West, we are not obligated to treat you with the sensitivity you never seem to demand of yourselves. Respect is a two-way street. If you can’t give it to others, don’t expect anyone to give it to you.

      • N. Wasse

        Arab wannabe disgusting

      • ziggy zoggy

        The koran and hadith absolutely do call for genocide, ethnic cleansing, slavery, theft, etc.

  • Drakken

    Hey Serbs, next time don’t miss jihadist like this so we have to deal with them, your slipping.

    • Veracious_one

      NATO attacked the wrong people when they attacked the Serbs….

    • 1Indioviejo1

      Clinton brought them here as refugees, and now Obama is bringing in the Syrian “refugees”.

      • Veracious_one

        and they all bring that dreaded Islamic baggage with them….

      • A Z

        We were told at the time that these were happy go lucky Muslims. We were told that they actually drank wine and so were not that strict and were not dangerous.

  • JacksonPearson

    So Islam is where Obama learned to give his excuses. Gotta admit, Imam’s, clerics, mullah’s and our president, are sure full of crap.

    • ziggy zoggy

      Two cents? I WISH our Treasury had that much cash.

  • spyeatte

    Just deport these filthy rats, and if he has US citizenship, strip it. Send him to Yemen where he can acquire a haram of goats.

  • Veracious_one

    He was arrested in August after a 42-year-old woman and her 18-year-old daughter told police that Spahic sexually assaulted them during a religious ceremony
    it must have been an Islamic ceremony…

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “it must have been an Islamic ceremony…”

      That’s his entire defense. It’s Islamic. Get stuffed if you don’t like it.

      • defcon 4

        It worked for the islam0fascist accused in the zombie muhammad incident. An assault for which there were a handful of witnesses, but the muslime judge dismissed, for no real legal reason whatsoever, except the excuse that the victim insulted islam.

  • GSR

    Q: What are Mohammedans doing in Iowa?
    A: Endless immigration. Any questions?

    • ziggy zoggy

      There are a lot of sheep and goats in Iowa.

  • 1Indioviejo1

    How easy it is for Muslims to infest our country. Nobody cares.

  • LawReader

    Get ready for it. As absolutely brain-dead liberal as the bulk of US courts are becoming – particularly when the phrases ‘politically correct’ or ‘tolerance and diversity!’ can be attached to ANY scenairo, the US will soon be in the same moral situation as the UK – where today a judge ruled he cannot invalidate the marriage of a 14 year old wed at gunpoint.

    This is your society on some seriously make believe drugs in the near future.

    • ziggy zoggy

      Yep.

  • USAF 0-4 Ret.

    Deranged fruit loop.

  • A Z

    If clergy are not explaining theology, they are giving counsel, so choose your clergy carefully.

    I can see the lawslinger’s technical point, but I am not buying it.

    I have been dismissive of clergy in the past until I got to know what the actual education at a good seminary actually is. I have also known some clergy to be dual hatted. They had formal counselor certification as well a divinity degree. It is kind of like having 2 complimentary master degrees.

    This southern Slavic white Muslim is going to make life hard on all of us from good clergy to parishioners. Because if this case the law is going to be more involved in religion.

    Too bad the Battle of Black Birds did not go the other way. So many southern Slavs would not have been sucked into Islam

    I hope he goes to jail. Except I do not hope it happens. He probably would preach there and convert some people who never done nothing to no one. I hope he loses in court but without jail time and then gets sued civilly. Let him be an albatross.

  • freethinker

    In the argument of encroaching on his religious freedoms, it was Thomas Jefferson himself who said that the government has the right to control actions, not thoughts. Thus, rape is an action, and no matter if that is part of his religious beliefs, which is disgusting in itself, the government of the United States can prosecute him.

  • Jenny Rodriguez

    If you don’t like the laws here, then move out of our country. Sick pervert.

  • Muslim Comments

    Rape just happens to be a major sin in Islam. God, people who write this stuff are so ignorant.

    • Drakken

      Yeah sure it is, we see it demonstrated every effing day in our western countries and we are filled to the back teeth with your god forsaken devils religion. Your devils false religion advocates rape if it is one of us infidels, sooner or later your going to invite our wrath that is going to make the Balkans look like a walk in the park by comparison.

    • JudgeRoyBean25

      Just wait till we start playing cowboys and muslims….

    • Paula Magnuson

      seriously no one trusts your taquia ! spare yourself you are not being taken seriously! go away !

    • Daniel Greenfield

      That would be news to Koran 4:24

    • N. Wasse

      Really? So where would we kuffar find in the book of Arabian ignorance anything to ان الغتصاب الجنسي خطية كبيرة في الاسلام Let me help you you will not find it but you will find that your Allah says that you can own slaves and RAPE them as in ماملكت ايمانكم
      Oh the Arabic but you can ask your stupid Mullah to translate it for you if he knows Arabic
      How come you did not know that? could it be because you are ignorant or could it be that you were hoping that we kuffar do not know so which one is it liar or ignorant?
      I urge you to leave Islam and be free again

    • ziggy zoggy

      Rape is a major sin in islam? That means mohammed and all his followers were sinners. According to the koran, they were all serial rapists.

      Why lie about it? Are you ashamed of your religious doctrine?

    • defcon 4

      The holiest man in islam killed a Jewish woman’s entire family and then took her as a sex slave, lying pig.

  • Ryan

    Fcuk religion. Arrest and charge him. All pedophiles and rapest deserve to be hung. A quick drop, and a sudden stop.

  • haveittodayray

    Stop the infiltration of Sharia law in our court system. Parents and grandparents wake up. http://wp.me/p2GpDB-ai

  • Dancing Bear

    Religious people. The scourge of the world.

    • A Z

      Mao was not religious.He only killed 50 million people.

      Stalin was not religious. He only killed a mere 30 million.

      I am so glad they were not religious. :)

      • Oscuro

        LoL. Nice try. They did not kill or molest under the guise or for religions sake. Hence their being irreligious is not a valid argument for this. They killed for politics sake. Not in the name of God. But, tally all the deaths and terror altogether, religious people have killed and terrorized more.

        • Gary Dickson

          LoL. Nice try. Mao did kill for religion, with the religion where he was the god. He killed in his own name. Same with Stalin.

          Humans use what ever means at their disposal – governments, money, religion, guns – to control and dominate, “re-educating” or eliminating those who wish not to be controlled and dominated by them.

          • Oscuro

            Still, it was not “in the name of religion”.

          • defcon 4

            Duh, what is Communism but a religion w/a different concept of paradise? I never noticed the dictatorship of the proletariat ever withering away and leaving everyone free.

          • Gary Dickson

            Of course it wasn’t. Mao or Stalin wouldn’t have been so banal. But what they forced upon people for their own self-aggrandizement was, as the New Oxford American Dictionary defines religion, the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power or a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.

            They used their own religion, i.e., collectivist utopianism, as a means to an end, i.e., supreme, god-like power and control over the lives of others.

            Don’t forget, some animals are more equal than others.

        • defcon 4

          They were atheists killing in the name of an atheist ideology. Your lame attempts to obfuscate that fact are a poor joke.

          • Oscuro

            Religious people. Not Religion. It is after all. People who kill people. Not the guns.

          • defcon 4

            I suppose I can agree with you on that point — excepting the fact islam advocates the genocide of Jews and the subjugation of unbelievers, unlike any other religion on earth.

          • Oscuro

            Well….Islam….it’s a different world altogether. It’s like a “special kid”. Utterly retarded. The first half of the book was all cuddly and stuff. Then the latter half was full of hate and violence. But still. It is the people who act upon the words of the book that is the problem. Otherwise it would be kindling or toilet paper.

          • ziggy zoggy

            “The people” wrote that book. The people act on it. The notion that the koran doesn’t motivate people to commit murder is asinine.

            Why waste time writing comments if you think words don’t influence and guide people? DumbFuck.

          • defcon 4

            I think he might agree w/your PoV. He did write: “the latter half (of the koran) was full of hate and violence” and then later on that: “It is the people who act upon the words of the book that is the problem”.

          • ziggy zoggy

            He’s still an @$$hole. People don’t wage jihad. Muslims do. They do it because the koran tells them to.

          • defcon 4

            I find myself agreeing with you. After all, nazism wouldn’t have been a problem except for nazis.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Islamopithecines murder people in the name of their religion. They cite it as they do it. allahu akbar! They aren’t coy about it. Do you presume to know their motivation better than they do?

            Absolutely no Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, etc. murder in the name of their religions.

            It absolutely is islam that motivates its adherents to commit murder.

        • A Z

          Not buying.

          First, I do not fault the Crusaders efforts.

          Second I do not fault Charlemagne’s treatment of the Saxons although I be Teutonic and proud of Germanic culture. The Saxons raided, Charlemagne responded. He conquered and obtained a peace treaty more than once upon which the Saxons reneged. So after the 3rd time, you are damn right he sought conversion.

          Third do you know the name Lou Shan?

          I would suggest you know your history better.

          • Oscuro

            The point still is….religious of any side are still the scourge of the world.

          • A Z

            That is your opinion. You can get a mil crate and stand on it on Speaker’s Corner.

            I would suggest Clausewitz’s book on war for you to read but you would not understand it.

          • Oscuro

            Maybe you’re talking about a soapbox. Stand on a soapbox. Von Clausewitz? For what? I’m not arguing the issue of war or the tactics and necessities behind it. You went to far. This is about the religious, doing about their business to impress upon others their religions.

          • A Z

            The Von Clausewitz reference was a bit obscure on how it relates. It relates to pretext.

            I have seen proselytizing & arm twisting in my time. I have also seen its’ frequency. So I can judge if it is a problem.

            I am btw a Christian married to a non-Christian. No wars or killings here.

            You are trying to very hard to proselytize for the secular point of view. You are every bit as preachy as a guy on a street corner or the campus quad.

            I think you are a bit bent.

          • Oscuro

            man I couldn’t care less if you pray to God or Dog. My point is…..overly, extremely religious people are the scourge of the world. Because with extremism comes ambition. All I’m saying is that y’all Bible/Qur’an/Thalmud etc…ad infinatum could do with a little more of less. My country right now has suffered through a awful calamity…..that big storm that just passed through. Ok….while there was a certain locally popular indigenous church (called Iglesia Ni Cristo) where some residents tried to seek shelter from the storm….they were refused entry on the grounds that they were not members of the church. Now after the storm, the church was about the only structure standing. Meaning it could’ve protected people. But hell no. Non members could go to hell for all they care. By the way….that church is creeping into the USA by way of the Filipino community. It’s like our own version of Scientology.

        • ziggy zoggy

          “They did not kill or molest under the guise or for religion’s sake.”

          That’s the whole point, you moron. “Politicians” kill far more people than religious fanatics do. The only religious fanatics who kill for their “religion” are islamopithecines, and they’re pikers compared to the Marxists.

          Mao actually killed up to 200 million people. What religious leader can top that?

          @$$hat.

    • defcon 4

      Put on your big boy panties and try saying that loudly and proudly in any islamic state — instead of a western style democracy.

      • Oscuro

        I am living in an Islamic state right now. The more conservative region of UAE. I also lived in Saudi Arabia for 11 years. Saying that is not advisable. Hence…religious people is a scourge more than religion itself.

        • defcon 4

          No, you’re a liar. I’ve never heard of Jews, Christians or Buddhists ever threatening to kill anyone for insulting their religion, much less doing so. In the 21st century it is ONLY an islamic phenomenon. Nice try at making an argument of false equivalence though.

          • Oscuro

            I accept your challenge. Well when you constrain the issue to the 21st century, then yes, it would be almost always an Islamic affair. But should we go back to history, how many have Christianity put to death for insulting or blasphemy? But then again, Christian centered violence against other faiths….let’s see. Let me try this, Christian vigilantes in the southern Philippines engaging in murder and killing of Muslims (including civilians) including cannibalism in some accounts. This issue is a little bit muddled though. So many revenge killings, it’s hard to find a zero point to the issue.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Referring to past occurrences is false argumentation. Only islam practices genocide. Killing blasphemers has never been a Christian doctrine or practice.

            And your monomaniacal attack on Christianity disproves your lie that you hate religion, rather than Christians.

            Suck my @$$.

          • defcon 4

            Anachronistic arguments in defense of islam0nazism don’t impress me — because muslimes were demonstrably worse — as evidenced by the tens of millions of Hindus slaughtered, raped, enslaved and forcibly converted to islam in the Indian sub-continent attest to in the past, as well as in the present. Your vigilante argument is a red herring as your islam0nazi buddies in the Philippines are engaged in ethnic cleansing and atrocities of their own.

    • surj

      Dancing Bear. ” Religious people .The scourge of the world ” Are you telling us even Buddhist ,Jains, Zoroastrians ,Hindus ,Sikhs are scourge of the world? If your answer is yes, then you ought to have your head examined . Now see http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

      • Oscuro

        Haven’t you heard of Hindu mobs raging havoc in India in the name of religion….Buddhists just recently have been attacking Muslims in Myanmar…..

        • ziggy zoggy

          Hindus killed islamopithecine scum who were ravaging the populace. So did the Bhuddists in Burma.

          Do you have a problem with that, Ohole?

          • Oscuro

            I have no problem with religious people killing other religious people. But I have a problem about the remaining religious people, who do you want to kill next?

        • defcon 4

          ESAD, scumbag. The Myanmar Buddhists have noticed what’s happening to Buddhists in Bangladesh and Thailand at the hands of muslim-nazis. They’re acting in self-defense. Just because idiots like you don’t defend your way of life, doesn’t mean some people don’t have more courage and conviction.

        • Drakken

          Who would have thought those buddist in Burma would be showing the world how to getter done.

          • Oscuro

            Muslims hate other peoples religions, these people hate back. so….the root is what?

          • Drakken

            Islam doing what it does best, creating mayhem, murder and rape where ever it goes. The buddist’s just have had enough of it, hopefully it spreads to other nations like the Philippines and Thailand as well.

          • Oscuro

            Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism…..all have radicals and given the right ideologies and catalysts just like Islamism have found, will act similarly.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Buddhists only kill islamopithecines. The root is Islam. That is why there is violence wherever Islam is present, regardless of country, race or ethnicity.

          • Oscuro

            Give it time….Even Christians can fall back on old habits. It doesn’t matter what God you pray to. Religious people are a scourge. Specially those blinded by their own faith.

          • Ace

            Muslim hate.

          • Oscuro

            Hate is hate. Religious hate is more effective.

      • Dancing Bear

        Really dude. Religion of peace.

  • Big g

    Idiots. You are in America and rape is against our law. You live by our law in fact go back where you came from

  • DD

    There is no excuse and no exemption. Religious freedoms end when the action being committed is an affront to others’ personal freedoms. It is why human sacrifice by a religious cult is still murder. If all these losers can demand freedom from Santa Claus and Christmas trees, I think a woman in the 21st century can be free from sexual assault in the name of Allah.

    • defcon 4

      Muslimes are trying to change all that.

  • http://netdost.com/ NetDost Social Network

    if people want to stay religious let them suffer its consequences

    • Gary Dickson

      Interesting. My religion orders me to do this:

      – “Do to others as you would have them do to you.”
      – “Love your neighbour as yourself.”
      – “Bless your enemy. Do good to them that curse you.”
      – Care for those who are injured when others don’t (Good Samaritan).
      – Care for widows and orphans.

      – Husbands, love your wives.
      – Sacrifice what is important to me for the sake of others.

      If i suffer the consequences of following these rules and others like them, then I will gladly do so.

    • defcon 4

      Religion isn’t the problem fool, it’s islam.

      • surj

        defcon4 ”Religion isn’t the problem fool, It’s islam ” For your information ‘ISLAM’ is a religion and muslims are the followers of Islam. TRUE ISLAM IS THE PROBLEM
        Now see http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

    • ziggy zoggy

      Consequences. Like the United States of America.

      Get the fuck out if you don’t like it here, you atheist piece of $hit. No atheist has ever contributed anything worthwhile to science or society. Go on. Leave. Get the fuck out.

      • http://netdost.com/ NetDost Social Network

        may be the os you are using is created by an atheist

  • J.Hallenberg

    “1. Promote the mass murder of non-Muslims

    2. Donate money to terrorist groups

    3. Subvert national security”

    Wait a minute, that sounds familiar. If we just change one word “non-Muslims” to “non-Christians”.

    1. Promote the mass murder of non-Christians

    2. Donate money to terrorist groups

    3. Subvert national security

    Oh look! Now it reffering to the US. You guys have so much in common. You folks should totaly be friends.

  • Ilvo

    I tried to find another source for this news, but couldn’t find any. Anyone have a suggestion?

  • antioli

    Say isn’t that Muslim Trash Talking Islam or just admitting the truth?

  • Nancy Lester Fontenot

    Why don’t they go to the country that has sharia law. We have a constitution here and our law has to be followed. It does not say that rape and murder is ok under any so called religion.

  • Jay Gould

    if he wants to live under those laws, go back where you came from. you are in this country now,the United States of America. follow the law of this country, just like we have to follow your laws in your land.

  • punkin7777

    Muslims (and other people) come to America to live and leave the land they were born in to have a better life. When you leave you home land, you leave your culture and other things; then you come to America and we expect you to blend in with us. You do NOT come to America to change her Laws or culture and in America you are permitted to have ONE WIFE AND ONE WIFE ONLY!!! You are NOT permitted to MURDER any member of your FAMILY because they may have done something wrong to dishonor you (you murder your daughter or wife and the people will DEMAND THE DEATH SENTENCE ON YOU. If you don’t like this, then go back to the country you came from because we do NOT want anyone who refuses to become a real America and adapt to our culture.

    • laura r

      dont be naive. that was in the old days. we are a multi culti usa canada europe. hello?? do you read? what “should” be, is no longer. accept that, stop being shocked & reacting. hopefully these sites will still be around in the future, but i doute it. sorry for the negative opinion.

  • v markwell

    no man has a right two assault women fullstop .dont care wat religion they are they are sick deprived creatures

  • IftikharA

    The beauty of Islam is that it is a religion which appeals to common sense. There is no blind belief or dogmatism in Islam. The fundamentals of Islam are simple, straightforward and easy to understand. Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental period. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school.

    What is going on in this country of ours, I can’t believe such people exist from all walks of life and find it disgusting and repulsive, something has to be done to try and prevent these things from happening and to protect our children from such dreadful evil people. As usual all the Police and Social Services say sorry !. We hear this EVERY time this sort of event is exposed and they say they have tightened up procedures so this will NEVER happen again !!!! .Will the people in positions of authority start to LISTEN to people when they make a complaint regardless of age, don’t hold your breath I’d say. Social Services apologizing after the event is becoming a regular feature of new stories. It makes me wonder how many HAVEN’T been caught. There must have been many ‘system insiders’ (care home staff, police officers, social workers and the like) who knew exactly what was being done to these children, in so called care. Nothing has changed. A conspiracy of silence and a hiding behind ‘confidentiality’ and ‘secrecy’ within family justice and child care procedures still makes the best PLAYGROUND for child exploiters and child abusers. The poor
    girls, in this case, were failed by everyone in authority! Shame on us all. So
    the State snatch children from families to “protect” them from “possible
    emotional neglect .. they all milk money out of taxpayers (family judges,
    cafcass solicitors, experts etc.. ) then when there is no more money the
    vulnerable kids get rapes and abused under their care .. so will they ever be
    charged for failing to protect those minors??… we all know it is all a big
    scam¿ wake up people.. Apologies mean nothing when this situation is almost the norm at private and council care homes and has been for decades and not just by ‘ethnic groups’. Ethnicity has nothing to do with it, it is just depraved men
    who can spot a vulnerable person easily. Why are girls in care from eleven being allowed to roam the street unsupervised anyway!! Were the care home workers not aware that 11 yr old girls in their care were out and about, let alone with strange men!! These social services bandits need a prison sentence too. Next time white paedo’s are caught (which is like everyday when you go on the DM) I want the article to mention their race. White men get convicted everyday and when you see the odd Asian gang like four five times a year (bearing in mind this is actually an old case) they always mention their race. I want to see
    white mentioned next time or it’s double standards, one rule if you’re white and
    another if you’re Asian. I sincerely hope there is a massive internal
    investigation going on in both the police force and the agency that manages the
    social workers. They need to be in prison just the same! How can the police and
    social services apologise for incompetence and negligence like this. All those
    concerned should be sacked, including managers and superintendents. And this is not an isolated case. There seems to have been at least one similar case each month for the last few years.

    If Islam is so bad, then why is it the WORLD’S FASTEST GROWING RELIGION! It is also one of the youngest religions. However no matter
    how hard everyone tries to give Islam a bad name, it will be twice as more
    populated. So let’s get straight to the point yeah?, Basically Islam is the most
    hated religion I don’t know why hmm maybe because it is also the most fastest
    growing religion and 2nd largest but no one will be able to stop this religion
    from growing.

    Islam is the fastest growing faith in Britain. Hundreds
    and thousands of Brits are reverting to Islam. By the middle of this century,
    over half of Brits would be Muslims.
    IA
    http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

    • Ilpalazzo

      “If Islam is so bad, then why is it the WORLD’S FASTEST GROWING RELIGION!”

      Because the converts are forced with blackmail, rape and violence. It’s called coercion.

  • Lanna

    Islam and the left believes in pedophilia and homosexuality. That’s why we have gay marriage in so many states…Genesis 13:13 plainly says the men of Sodom and Gomorrah were wicked and sinners exceedingly before the Lord. The men of Sodom were rotten to the core. Genesis 19:4-9 Two angels were sent by God to deliver Lot and the Israelites out of Sodom, because it was going to be destroyed, the angels came in the appearance of regular men. The homosexuals in the city of Sodom wanted to rape the two visitors in Lot’s house, they were outside the door. It is obvious that Sodom was predominantly homosexual, and these homosexual men were violent. Look what happened to Ambassador Christopher Stephens before his death…he was sodomized!

    • ziggy zoggy

      Yes but he was sodomized in a halal fashion by pious muslims.

      • Lanna

        Sure any excuse will suffice for Islam….Right!

  • Marcel M. Pfister

    Who is foolish enough to take their daughter to some “cleric” for treatment?

    • defcon 4

      A muslime naturally.

  • Brian Cox

    OK, so let me see if I have this right. They call the imam to their house where he then chants while rubbing oil on their bodies. Sounds like a message therapist to me. Were they forced by him to have the oil rubbed on their bodies? Were they tied down or threatened? Did he have sex with them? Did they tell him to leave and he refused? From what is in this article I don’t understand what crime has been committed. Both females were adults. I believe Islam to be a satanic in nature but without more info I just dont see the crime.

  • Mark Sullivan

    Islam has no place in this society !

  • Maureen Williams Frier

    Quite frankly, anyone who would go to, or take their adult child to, an Islamic imam for counseling…well, they got exactly that! This is Islam, ladies! Don’t walk into a jackel’s lair if you don’t want to get bitten!

  • Beth Anne Kirkham-Wille

    I do not care what your religious convictions are, YOU obey the laws of the land you choose to live in or face the consequences of your unlawful behaviour.

  • Leo L Hunter

    Islam is not “one of the few.” Christianity and the Jewish religion allows for it too. In other words any religion that “believes” in the bible allows for rape. You might be saying “that is not the monotheistic religion I know and love…” Deuteronomy 22:28-29 if caught in the act of rape the man if “forced” (lol) to marry the woman and never divorce her. Imagine that! You got raped and must marry your rapist! Also he has to pay some money to the girls father. Way to go “god” such high standards of morality.

    • laura r

      its douteful that anyone carries the old testement around & takes it literally. so far, jews havnt played that card. (yet). those times was strange, i feel sorry for women. (&jesus)

    • ziggy zoggy

      And how does that verse command rape?

      Epic fail. Only the gutter cult of Islam demands rape for its demented adherents.

      • Balerion

        Way to COMPLETELY miss the point. The Old Testament has its share of barbaric verses and commandments as well. Nobody actually still goes by that. It has nothing to do with Islam specifically – any time one decides that religious dogma trumps basic human decency you are going to get **** like this.

        • ziggy zoggy

          The point is that Christianity has never had a doctrine of jihad – which commands the murder, subjugation and yes, rape of unbelievers. It’s all there in black and white in the koran and hadith. Read them before you comment on them.

          • Balerion

            Ever heard of the Spanish Inquisition?

          • Ace

            I’ve heard of the Muslim invasion of India. Were there 80,000,000+ killings in the S.I.? One source cited by Wikipedia estimates 3-5,000 executions. Just some irrelevant perspective….

            More to the point, the Christian doctrine of jihad is found, um, where?

          • Drakken

            Yes I have and it killed less than those the muslims killed on 9/11. And we have the added benefit of ridding the Iberian peninsula of islam.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      The case does not refer to rape, but to seduction.

  • ziggy zoggy

    Islam is the religion of rape and sodomy. Islamopithecines follow its tenets with sadistic glee.

    Lie all you want. You animals are far too stupid to fool human beings.

  • Leo L Hunter

    You are wrong. The bible commands that the victim should marry her rapist Deuteronomy 22:28-29 and it is not the only place.

    • ziggy zoggy

      That is not a command to commit rape, you stupid porch monkey.

      • Avengeme

        Oh racial slurs now, yeah you’re really convincing us lol…fuck.

        • ziggy zoggy

          Oh, boo hoo. This Leoser guy is all over the web slamming Christians and White people. He hates Jews too. But WTF. I’ll edit the slur out and we can all feel happy.

      • Charles

        Racism, nice. I can FEEL the Christian love!

        • ziggy zoggy

          Who said Christians love everybody?

    • defcon 4

      Mr. Greenfield already refuted that lie.

    • Guest

      No it does not.

      It commands a man who has sex with an unmarried woman to marry her, if her family agrees.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      No it does not.

      It commands a man who sleeps with an unmarried woman to marry her, if her family agrees.

  • Connie Alsip

    Someone needs to shoot that lowlife creep right between the eyes. His religion does NOT supercede the law. Let the Muslims learn that right now. Try some action here in the USA and watch us crush them. Any still here will be deported to his land of origin. No further Muslim immigration is to be allowed.

    • Balerion

      Let ANYONE who believes that their god’s law somehow trumps the law of the land learn that; that includes Christian fundamentalists as well. As for this lowlife, let him exercise his First Amendment rights to speak – and use whatever comes out of his odious mouth as evidence against him. And then once he has finished serving his sentence – assuming he isn’t sentenced to life in prison (which I would not be against) and is still alive if he isn’t an American citizen deport him back to whatever s***hole he came from (if he is an American citizen there is nothing that can be done there).

      Not all Muslims agree with what this animal did; I am sure that the vast majority of them – especially in this country – find his actions to be utterly despicable. (And no, Muslims should not be automatically barred from entering this country because they are Muslim. But those who think like this creature most definitely should be barred).

      • defcon 4

        Christian fundamentalists would tend to follow the example Yeshua set fool. Furthermore, if muslimes don’t support the persecution of people of other faiths (or no faith at all) then why does every muslime state on the face of the earth do so today?

        • Balerion

          There are a lot of people who call themselves “Christians” who hardly follow the example that Yeshua set. As for Muslim states, that is exactly why religion and politics do not belong together. If Christianity ruled here we would look rather similar to them – which is why there are many people working tirelessly to make sure that never happens.

          • defcon 4

            I wouldn’t want to live under a Christian theocracy — we’ve already seen how that turns out w/the CC. I wouldn’t want to live under any theocracy. But there are 51 islam0fascist theocracies in the world today and more are incipient. What do you call countries in which you can’t criticise islam legally? In Eurabia, as in any islamic state, people are being arrested, charged and convicted of crimes that amount to nothing more than islam0fascist blasphemy and heresy laws.

          • ziggy zoggy

            When our Founding Fathers were alive, Church attendance was compulsory in many communities. They turned out just fine…….far better than every generation since the hippies came along has.

          • Balerion

            Sundays are for sleeping in. Your false god can suck it.

          • Ace

            We need to keep Christian barbarism at bay lest it consumes us!!!!! Banish it back to the swamps of the Holy Land!!!

  • laura r

    seems to me that right wing journalists are as manipulative as the left. the artical leaves out details. frontpage editors dont always do a good job.

    • ziggy zoggy

      Right. Because more details will exonerate the “imam.”

      Cretins.

  • John Fah-q Smith
  • ufo42

    This is exactly why separation of church and state is so important to freedom of all kinds. Christians demanding exemption for taxation and the duty to provide all legal medical services in the hospitals they control are creating precedents which assholes like this guy can use to get away with his Islamic doctrine justified crimes.

    • Balerion

      We seem to have too many idiots in this country who believe that Christianity should be the law of the land, and believe that freedom of religion applies only to them and those who believe the same way that they do. They are in many ways no better than this animal, as they would deprive others of their basic human rights on the basis of religious dogma.

      • defcon 4

        Wrong. No other religion besides islam commands its followers to subjugate and/or kill the unbeliever.

      • ziggy zoggy

        You’re describing a fantasy.

        • Balerion

          Indeed. I’m describing YOUR fantasy of what you seem to wish this country was, given your other comment on mandatory church attendance.

      • Ace

        This is a rough draft of your actual comment, right?

        You couldn’t ACTUALLY believe this.

        • Balerion

          There actually are people in this country who think exactly like that.

  • Anthony Parker

    “What do you expect from a this moron whose ideal man was a pedophile and
    whose Arabian God says that Muslims can own slaves and rape them?
    Welcome to Islam ” – was the prior comment apparently from a Christian who has not read the Bible

    • defcon 4

      Ever heard ot the fallacy of argumentation called Tu QuoQue? Of course you haven’t. BTW, the only legalized slavery practiced today happens in muslime states (Mauritania and the Sudan). One component of such slavery are Arab muslimes who own African slaves.

  • David William Reid

    Hey moron, welcome to AMERICA! In this country you are a sick pedophile / rapist. In this country you will meet jail house religion where they take care of little pricks like you in the best way! It usually involves being raped every night like you did to others against their will. And maybe when they get tired of raping you? They will do us all a favor before you can get out and end you!

  • Chick Counterfly

    Islam; for men who can’t get laid in a traditional setting.

    • defcon 4

      I imagine pre-pubescent girls must be a cheap “date” for muslime men. Then again I don’t think there’s much dating involved when muslime men marry pre-pubescent girls with or without their consent in the matter.

  • שפיר

    Imam Spahic was attempting to perform ruqyah (an exorcism). Being that she was under the influence of drugs and deeply depressed he believed this was the influence of shaitan.
    He’s not a voodoo priest I can assure you. Voodoo is against Islam. Ruqya does not include rubbing oils on the body to my knowledge. Besides rubbing oil, the article doesn’t describe any kind of sexual misconduct.

  • Frederick Jacob Kohn

    If this man were a practitioner of our indigenous religion we would all recognize that by “chanting and rubbing the body with oil” he would be practicing a common Christian ritual. “Are any of you sick? You should call for the elders of the church to come and pray over you, anointing you with oil in the name of the Lord.”- James 5:14. In this case frontpagemag would express their outrage at these women who would dare to impugn a man of God. But, of course, since he is the practitioner of a strange, foreign, “voodoo religion,” he surely must be guilty as charged.

  • Joseph R. Meece

    Tim McVey wasn’t a Christian. He might have known about God but he didn’t practice any religion.

  • Uncle Bob

    How about some common sense If I were god I wouldn’t want to kill anyone of my children OR anyone elses HU ? Doesn’t sound like its good for God and to kill anyone that has different beliefs isn’t right either,” better segregation ” over Murder so far that’s what Muslims believe,don’t sound right so I’ll keep being a Christian BUT will keep in mind some Muslims want to kill me so they had better not have there hands in there pockets as they walk up on me ? THAT’S their fault Personally Knowing we let people in this country that swear to kill NONE christians should NOT be I was here first.

  • Gina Perez

    Most Muslims are into the Old Testament and have been waiting for about 2000 yrs. for a prophet to fit what ever their idea of what a prophet should be and completely missed the coming of Jesus as an example to all mankind of what God the Father wants us to be more like.

  • Cecil Pickler

    Problem is, we won’t stand up against this crap. He needs to feel the pain of being castrated without anesthesia.

    • MidWest Patroit

      With a rusty butter knife!

      • ziggy zoggy

        Or a fork………after he gets a taste of a meat tenderizer.

  • Alison Ressler

    So, if my “religious belief” demands that I sacrifice virgins, may I assume that is also okay? Or if it demands that I roast babies on a spit, may I do that then? Is there no limit to the depravity and barbarity of islam? Claiming it is a “religious freedom” to abuse people and commit crimes? Shall we just give him a free pass to rape anyone he wants in the name of religious freedom? This asshole should be LAUGHED OUT OF COURT and locked up so he can be someone’s bitch. I mean he is in favor of sexual abuse, so let him HAVE some.

  • Ilpalazzo

    the bill of rights allows one to choose one’s own religion. It does not embrace any religion’s ideals. If you’re dumb enough to choose a religion that says it’s OK to hurt others, well, sorry, those actions are against the law. Ask Allah what he thinks when you’re getting raped in prison, bub.

  • Ilpalazzo

    “There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school.”

    So then, is it acceptable to say there is no place for a Muslim child or teacher in a non-Muslim country?

  • Drakken

    The vileness of islam is demonstrated every bloody day, as for the converts to your vile cult, weak and stupid people fall for cults every day. So muslim we will be showing you the door by two choices, the suitcase of the coffin. God Bless the Crusades.

  • CalifornDrifter

    They want their home land laws,,,, go back home, the morons came here to get away from their Countys ways and now want us to use the laws of their home land,,,, Bull S*it

  • Sam Cane

    What is missing from all the comments is ‘this mongrel living among us’ is the product of liberals. Knee jerk multiculturalism is their baby. They have brought these primitive bastards into western countries by the boat load. Multiculturalism is a failing hippie idea. Hippies will forever repeat failure; as long as they allowed to do so, because they are ideologically driven – as much so as any religious zealot. ____”oh, we just haven’t sucked the haji’s ass enough” “Oooo, let’s make laws lopsided in favor of them, and give them their own sharia court – then they’ll know how much we love them” /sarcasmoff . . it just goes on and on and on, concession after concession.

  • Gina Perez

    STILL PLAYING GAMES D.B.WHAT YOU WANT FROM ME.

  • victoria_29

    she is over 18, she called and invited him to her house and obviously she agreed to the “oiling”. I maybe anti-Muslim but please…..this is absurd.

  • Avengeme

    Isaiah 13-16 Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives violated.

    Isaiah 13-18 Their bows will strike down the young men;
    they will have no mercy on infants,

    • Daniel Greenfield

      That would be the Persian Empire conquering Babylon.

    • Simon Timothy

      Avengeme, you better read David Rosenthal ‘s answer to Leo L Hunter. That is for you too!

  • anestat

    Our leaders need to have the guts of Vladimere Putin. He says without any hesitation that Muslim and other fringe groups will not get any special favors in Russia, and is trying to get rid of them.

  • Artie Galvin

    Most of you people have no idea what you’re talking about. Christianity does not sanction any rape, victimization, slavery, cruelty or any of the things stated below. Christianity starts with Jesus and the NEW testament. If you’re not familiar with the NEW testament, read it. You’ll see that Jesus only had a message of love, peace and salvation. Don’t confuse the old and new testaments.

  • Gina Perez

    and to the people that think Christianity is some kind of voodoo is the most ignorant statement I have ever heard. Some people don’t want to except the fact that no one can curse another person unless you give them the authority to. When you mentally believe that someone has this kind of power over your life, you are bringing on things yourself. Everyone knows that negative thoughts bring on negative actions so by believing that they are capable of cursing you, your negativity brings on depression, sickness, and other negative reactions.
    We must always think positive. No enemy or foe can put a curse on you. We always have trials and tribulations in our life. Its just something we have to endure.
    Don’t let negativity keep you down. Read your Bible daily and go to your local Church.

  • websearcher

    Seems like a lot of facts were left out of this story. What was the sexual abuse that was suffered by these women? Was it only the rubbing of the oil on them that constituted sexual abuse? If so, the guy has a point.

    If it is more – then where is it in the story?

    Or, is it that the whole point of this story is the usual – A right wing-nut bigoted way of knocking Muslims and so who cares about facts?

    • Ace

      You make a good point about missing facts.

      However, the story raises interesting issues such as

      1. What is a religious practice?

      2. To what extent can a state regulate the conduct involved in such practice?

      But all you can think to add to this discussion is to flounder into the “right[-wing] wing-nut” bigotry thicket.

      Bravo. Maybe you can ask your mom to let your web searching cover more than paint ball weekends and video games.

      • websearcher

        You acknowledge that I made a good point about the column missing facts and then berate me that I don’t add anything to the discussion but insults?

        Make up your mind. Either I made a good point or I didn’t.

        As for “floundering into right-wing nut bigotry”? What else would you call this article that is long on accusations but short on facts?

        • Ace

          You made two points. The first was excellent.

          The other was a gratuitous insinuation that the author is a bigoted, right-wing wing nut.

          While it is not wise to assume that prosecutors always make good decisions, we do know from the facts that the imam was charged with sexual abuse and exploitation. The women complained that he sexually assaulted them. Thus, we have partial knowledge of what might have taken place.

          Furthermore, though Mr. Greenfield makes a general point about how Islam countenances rape he nevertheless specifically limited his central point to asking if it is unreasonable to assume that Islam would have little difficulty in upholding conduct that in Iowa allegedly constitutes sexual assault.

          At worst, Mr. Greenfield exhibits a justifiable Muslim fatigue based on years and years of learning about the aberrant, nay, barbaric practices encouraged or tolerated by Islam. To note the most elementary facts about Islam doesn’t make one right-wing, a bigot, or a wing nut but that was where you chose to go.

          I apologize for my own excess, btw. I should not have gratuitously insulted you with my crack about permission from your mom.

          • websearcher

            First – your apology accepted. Thanks.

            Second – You are right. The prosecutors did bring charges against the Imam and so there may be more to this story. (Something I pointed out that we need more information of).

            As for the bigotry charge. What else would you call it? Have there been other religious figures who have behaved inappropriately with their charges? Of course. If a Mormon priest were to have been charged with the exact same accusation, would we be correct to lay this at Mormonism door? Of course not. We would correctly blame the person not his religion. Why then in this (and many many other example) is it ok to blame the guy’s religion? Especially when no details have been put forth to substantiate it?

          • Ace

            Thank you.

            Your Mormon example is a good one, especially if we posit a member of the LDS church. However, if we posit a member of the breakaway sect(s) that still practice polygamy, I think it changes the equation quite a bit. Either member can transgress but I would be inclined to think that the latter guy, who comes from a more closed, authoritarian, and rejectionist community would be likely to try to justify any sexual misconduct by reference to his religious doctrines. (After reading Krakauer’s _Under the Banner of Heaven_, I’m absolutely convinced that accepting polygamy is a terrible choice that will cause men to become completely unhinged.) The LDS church, however, is an admirable institution in my experience as a friend of the church, and I doubt that any of its doctrines would be of use to any criminal defendant.

            So, yes, Mr. Greenfield is on solid ground. Islam is such a repulsive set of beliefs and it undergirds “the perfect closed system” as Baron Boddisey noted. If a Muslim accused seeks to exonerate himself by saying his conduct is sanctioned by his religion, that may well be true but as DG states at the outset, the doctrines involved are suspect at the outset. If all he did was some kind of “anointing,” wellll, the devil is in the details. If the doctrine doesn’t sanction sexual assault, he didn’t assault the women, and the women are falsely accusing him, he should have his day in court on those points. If he did assault the women, I can’t wait to hear what Islamic doctrines permit him to do that.

          • websearcher

            One problem with your polygamy Mormon analogy and the Muslim religion. One of them is banned under our laws and the second is not.

            Freedom to practice your religious beliefs under our constitution is just that – freedom from prosecution from the government.

            Now – if the prosecutor could show that the Imam actually molested the women under the cover of religion (again as I pointed out before – has happened with Christians and Jewish religious figures) then I would be the first to say that we need to throw the books at him.

            But that was not my point in this thread. The entire article is short on facts but long on accusations simply because the alleged sexual deviant belongs to the Muslim religion.

            So I ask again – if this guy was Catholic or Jewish or even a mainstream Mormon, would we be talking about his religion or his sexual deviancy? I’ll bet it would not be his religion. Which brings me to my point – bigotry under any circumstances (even if it is against a religion we find abhorrent) is appalling.

  • Drakken

    Yeah sure it is, so we don’t have anything to worry about when you virulent commi atheist take power? I guess a 100 years of Communist history would prove you folks on the left wrong.

  • ziggy zoggy

    Christianity and the God you don’t believe in have demonstrably not caused more pain and suffering than anything else. Not even close. In fact, atheist communism killed 200 to 300 million people in the 20th century – a historical record. And Christianity is not compulsory and it did not burst out of Israel in a conquering horde bent on world subjugation.

    Christians spend more time, effort and money on charity than the rest of the world combined.

    Epic fail.

  • IvanRider

    “Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts.” – Revelation 9:21

    Instead, Muslims merely categorized based on what they want to be true that certain groups of women are acceptable targets while others are not.

  • teriquajones

    I hope the judge adheres to the laws of the United States of America. If not, he will be sending the message that molestation is acceptable. Then he will open a door for Muslims to rape and kill.

  • Wulf

    Then give him a choice, to be prosecuted for his crimes according to the laws of the United State or a one way ticket to Afghanistan.

  • LesleyVivien

    If he thinks his religion exempts him from obeying the law of his host country, deport him while he thinks about where he went wrong.

    Have you noticed how the comments have deteriorated into a mass inter-religious and anti-religious spat, and nobody can even remember what the article was about?

  • DocHollywood_2

    Guess he’s not in Kansas anymore

  • Oldretirednurse

    Religion and therapy have nothing to do with it. It’s all about rape. That’s against the law no matter who does it.

  • Esther Fetterhoff

    Don’t be confused, no one should mix sex, politics and religion.

  • Esther Fetterhoff

    Gaius

  • A Z

    One concept that I did not know until several years ago was the concept not pf Christianity but of Christianities. You should look it up.

    Iglesia Ni Cristo has been around since 1913. I only heard about in the last year or so.

    The building would have only held so many people How many more do you think would have fit in?

    I am not real familiar with the Filipino community, but they are pretty good here in America.

    • Oscuro

      Well isn’t it a Jewish saying that you save a soul you save the world? So it doesn’t really matter how many you saved so as long as you tried. Now this Iglesia Ni Cristo is comparing the destruction of centuries old Catholic Churches to the strength of their newly engineered temples and claiming that it is as foretold in the Bible that only the true church of god will withstand such and such…with accompanying Bible verse of course. So you see…..in order to justify itself, religion and the religious do not ever mind to destroy the competition. Is that Christlike? Is that something you want to believe that religion ought to be? Or how religious people should behave? I meant to use that as an example not as a condemnation in particular to or in defense of the other.

      • A Z

        Concrete ages. Some concretes used in Spanish forts for instance got harder fro the 1st 400 years After that period they decrease in strength. I leaned this after visiting national park at Fort Saint Augustine.

        All concretes are not equal so some of these concretes might have different lifespans.

        Plus building are like air frames. Airframes develop cracks over time due to cyclic stress or or any other stresses.

        Likewise building undergo stresses. Such as earthquakes, diurnal thermal cycle, seasonal cycles.

        It was just these building’s time considering th church leaders lack of engineering principles (Then again I did not pay as much attention in confirmation as a should have. Point is that the leaders are deficient in engineering, but I really can;t throw stones. I am deficient in some areas of theology. 6 of 1 half dozen of anther as the saying goes.).

        The Catholic church leadership is not made up of civil engineers. They probably did not give much thought to this. Now maybe they will. Some catholic building inspectors can inspect churches in the diocese,region or country and give their professional assessment to the leadership and congregation.

        The Iglesia Ni Cristo are new. their time will also come. Regardless that they have re-bar in the concrete they will also deteriorate.

        Nowadays we coats the re-bar in concrete for roads to stop or at least slow corrosion. Point is at some point those Iglesia Ni Cristo buildings will have to be torn down and rebuilt or at some future date they will fall down too.

        Besides not one Catholic church fell down. In America we are so lazy in our talk that we call the church buildings churches. The church is the congregation. The congregation is diminished on earth, but it goes on. Now it is as it always is “in a rebuilding phase”.

      • A Z

        The wiki entry of Iglesia Ni Cristo does not paint a pretty picture.

        I had heard of this church in the last 2 years.

        If they are butt head, I will hear more in the future.

        It will be along the lines of some Muslim, homosexual or communist telling me that they are Christians, therefore Christians are bad and defend their actions or give up your faith and accept our ways. It is the usual line of argument.

  • Joshua

    Hey, if he has the right to “molest” women…then we have the right to revoke his citizenship and send him to the Middle East. He is the only Muslim I have heard using this excuse. Also if he can molest women, then as a Christian, I have the “religious” freedom to whoop his ass til he cant stand no more.

  • Extreme Prejudice

    of course the story had to end with an address of a Church on Lower Beaver Road….