Is the Muslim Brotherhood Worse as a Terrorist Organization or a Government?

Note the swords of peace

Note the swords of peace

The new wave of Egypt spin relies on admitting that yes Morsi and the Brotherhood abused power and marginalized everyone but the Islamists, but if they’re removed from power, they will become “radicalized”.

So the question is whether the Muslim Brotherhood is worse as a government or a terrorist group?

The Obama administration’s call for an “inclusive” political process in Egypt with a role for the Muslim Brotherhood has been overshadowed by conflict between security forces and supporters of the Islamist group.

That sentence and the thinking behind it is completely and entirely ridiculous. More so than a dozen Monty Python skits wired together.

The administration has urged the Egyptian military to stop using heavy-handed tactics against the Brotherhood, according to two U.S. officials who asked not to be identified commenting on private communications. They said the administration is concerned that some in the military may want to provoke the Islamists to violence and provide a rationale for crushing the movement once and for all.

The Brotherhood was using violence before Morsi was elected, while Morsi was in office and after Morsi was removed. But as usual we’re supposed to tremble in fear of a radicalized Brotherhood using violence. When the Brotherhood is already radical and already uses violence.

Such a move would fail and probably prompt a shift to al-Qaeda type terrorist tactics by extremists in the Islamist movement in Egypt and elsewhere, the U.S. officials said.

Would that be worse than having a country run by Al-Qaeda’s allies?

Locking out the Muslim Brotherhood from the early elections promised by the military “would be a cure worse than the ill, almost certainly driving Islamist groups underground and giving rise to a generation of radicalized Islamists, in Egypt and beyond, who will have lost faith in peaceful, democratic change,” the International Crisis Group, a New York-based organization that offers recommendations to policy makers, said in a July 3 statement.

Thanks George Soros. Please tell us more about how the Brotherhood practiced peaceful change?

Participating in politics means agreeing that differences will be settled through political means, said Jon Alterman, director of the Middle East program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington policy group.

Is a brutal tyranny that destroys the rights of Christians and women, among others, better if it uses political means to take power?

A crackdown on the Brotherhood by Egyptian authorities in the early 1950s contributed to its radicalization. After an army coup ousted Egypt’s monarchy in 1952, the Brotherhood was accused of trying to assassinate the president. The party was banned and thousands of its members were tortured, imprisoned and held for years.

Was the Brotherhood, which allied with the Nazis during WW2, moderate before the 1950s?

Members of the group counseled a young Osama bin Laden in Saudi Arabia, and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the architect of the Sept. 11 attacks, was a member of the Brotherhood before joining al-Qaeda. Ayman al Zawahiri, the current al-Qaeda leader, also was a member.

Clearly we need them running a country.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    It’s kind of hard for Muslims to be terrorists since terrorism isn’t holy fighting in the cause of Allah for the establishment of Islam as that is jihad instead, and jihad in stark contrast to terrorism manifest both violently and non-violently, but astronomically far more non-violently relative to violently. However, because violent jihad is conflated as being terrorism, which is always only violent, the many varieties of non-violent jihad, such as mass Muslim immigration to the West for demographic conquest, manifest throughout the West totally unopposed thanks to writers just like Daniel here who insist on continuing to promote false myths and notions about Islam. It also opens the door for flakes like Ron Paul and many self-hating delusional leftists to blame America first for creating terrorism. However, Muslims never ever fight terrorism, they fight jihad instead, which again is holy fighting in the cause of Allah for the establishment of Islam via the imposition of Sharia, which is Islamic totalitarian law. As a matter of fact, jihad has been waged perpetually by the Muslim ummah against all religions and all infidels since shortly after the Hijra in 622 AD. Thus, it’s kind of hard for America to be the root cause of jihad since it predates the establishment of America by several centuries.

    • montbrun

      Obama Yo Moma:
      I was missing your comments…
      My opinion on he issue is that the Brotherhood is more dangerous as a government than as a terrorist organization, which can be handled surgically in a radical way even if morons, bleeding hearts and outright backers around the world think different or do any of such idiots believe
      the opposition and the military are going to have a ball if GOD forbid, the
      Muslim Brotherhood by hook or crook regains power….
      and if so, on whom’s head will all that blood fall on ???
      The White House Muslim sorcerer apprentice…??????

      • ObamaYoMoma

        Uhm…the Muslim Brotherhood was never a terrorist organization as terrorism is not fighting in the cause of Allah for the establishment of Islam via the imposition of Sharia, as that is jihad instead. Moreover, jihad is a fundamental holy obligation incumbent upon all Muslims in one form or another. Nevertheless, at this time I’m far more concerned by mass Muslim immigration to the West because it is really stealth jihad for demographic conquest than I am about who ends up taking over in Egypt. Indeed, I could care less, as Egypt is a failed state and will remain failed as long as Islam prevails.

        • montbrun

          Sorry but the Brotherhood is a terrorist organization and has been so from its inception.
          It was the Brotherhood who had SADDAT assassinated, allegedly for having made peace with Israel….
          But when it comes to Islam, I will never forget the words
          of YOSHIRO SAGAMORI in the Jerusalem Post years ago

          ” Every practicing Muslim is a terrorist.
          It is what has been hammered into his head from cradle to grave and it is what his “religion” expects from him”

          And I dare anyone to prove this statement wrong…!!!!!

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Sorry but the Brotherhood is a terrorist organization and has been so from its inception

            I’m sorry but it appears you are a victim of mass indoctrination via the mass media which has been thoroughly dominated by the left for decades as terrorism is not holy fighting in the cause of Allah for the establishment of Islam via the imposition of Sharia, which is Islamic totalitarian law, as that is Jihad instead. In addition, Jihad, in stark contrast to terrorism, manifests both violently and non-violently, but astronomically far more non-violently relative to violently. It is also the product of Muslims only, while terrorism is a product of all societies. Indeed, Bernadine Dohrn and Bill Ayers were not Muslims fighting Jihad in the cause of Allah for the establishment of Islam. They were leftwing loons and terrorists instead. Hence, the Muslim Brotherhood is one of a multitude of Jihad groups and you are an obvious victim of mass indoctrination and as a result you are conflating what is really Jihad as somehow being terrorism and its not. Nevertheless, so you won’t think I’m a flake, an example of violent jihad would be the 9/11 violent jihad attacks and an example of non-violent jihad would be mass Muslim immigration to the West for the purpose of stealth and deceptive demographic conquest.

            ” Every practicing Muslim is a terrorist.
            It is what has been hammered into his head from cradle to grave and it is what his “religion” expects from him”
            And I dare anyone to prove this statement wrong…!!!!!

            Never dare me because I’ll prove you wrong. You are wrong and here’s why: Every Muslim is a jihadist, as Jihad is the highest pillar of Islam and also a fundamental holy obligation incumbent upon all Muslims in one form or another. Thus, per the first and foremost requirement of Islam, which is the total, complete, and unconditional submission to the will of Allah, which in essence is Sharia, under the pain of death for blasphemy and apostasy by all Muslim adherents, all Muslims are either jihadists in one form or another or otherwise blasphemous apostates in which case they must be executed according to the texts and tenets of Islam.

            Again, you are obviously a victim of mass indoctrination via the mass media and therefore don’t understand that terrorism is not a manifestation if Islamic civilization and are thus conflating what is really violent jihad as somehow being terrorism, while at the same time ignoring totally what is non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad since terrorism is only and always violent.

            Not to mention that non-violent jihad relative to violent jihad is not only astronomically far more ubiquitous it is also astronomically far more dangerous relative to violent jihad. Indeed, a very backwards Islamic civilization can never hope to defeat a very modern Western Civilization today through violent jihad, which is why the Saudis go after violent jihadists such as AQ and now Morsi, but via non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad, on the other hand, such as stealth demographic conquest via mass Muslim immigration, the Islamic world can and will conquer the West if the West continues to sleep.

          • montbrun

            Obama YoMoma :

            Nice rhetoric reminding me of a the Laurel and Hardy’s
            “Fra Diavolo” film I watch and a child.
            Laurel and Hardy had been captured by this 18th century
            bandit and, disguised as horse traders, used as spies in
            the towns they wanted to rob.
            They have an old and emaciated horse for sale, so thin,
            harp could be played on its ribs. A guy asks the price
            and Hardy tells him five gold pieces. The prospective
            customer replies that how could he ask for five gold pieces for a so thin a horse, even harp can be played on his ribs, to which Hardy tells him he is wrong :
            It isn’t that the horse is thin…..
            It is because the fat inside pushes the ribs outwards…!!!!!
            Roughly what you are trying to convince me about the Brotherhood and Jihad, as regardless of all rhetoric, their
            goal is the same and it just differs in the method to reach it, the Brotherhood’s being violence and terrorism and even right now, they are proving it without a shadow of a doubt….
            How about Muslims dancing and giving out candy in the streets of QUEENS, while people were jumping to their deaths from the WTC windows on 9/11….
            And btw, I don’t need mass indoctrination to know a skunk when I see one….
            Being as I’m a met and potatoes man, I waste no time
            in mental exercises trying to justify the unjustifiable and
            firmly believe SURGERY is the solution to many of our world problems…
            True : you can’t kill ideas but just its supporters and, w/o supporters, ideas die a natural death…
            If BATISTA would have followed the advise of his Chief of National Police of dumping CASTRO and Co. conveniently ballasted from a plane at the deepest place of the Caribbean Sea after their failed attempt to overtake the Moncada army barriers, agreeing to the pleas of Senator Diaz Balart and the Havana Archbishop
            to exile them to Mexico and the rest is ancient history, can you imagine how much tears and blood would the Cuban people been spared ???????
            company were captured after their failed attempt to take over the army
            Moncada barracks

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Look dude if you want to remain close-minded, indoctrinated by mass media, and a loon similar to Ron Paul and various leftwing flakes, then for be it for me to try to educate you. Remain a loon and totally ignore the manifestation of stealth and deceptive non-violent jihad as you have been doing anyway for years. It’s no sweat off my back.

          • montbrun

            This is the first time anyone has called me lefty…
            I can only deduct that you didn’t read my answer…
            So you believe I condone the Muslim invasion of
            the West….
            Burger King to you, dude….
            Have it your way…..

  • Mladen_Andrijasevic

    Apart from Daniel Greenfield here is also poor Barry Rubin doing his best. But it seems that no one in the US cares. How is this possible? Is anybody awake across the Atlantic? What is going on?

    http://rubinreports.blogspot.co.il/2013/07/great-moments-in-us-diplomatic-history.html

    GREAT MOMENTS IN U.S. DIPLOMATIC HISTORY! A Quiz

    The young Teddy Roosevelt studying foreign policy from his cat, Slippers. Speak softly but carry a big claw.

    In this test, find which entry does not belong on this list.

    1914: President Woodrow Wilson allies with Britain and France to fight autocracy in World War One and “make the world safe for democracy.”

    1941: President Franklin Roosevelt allies with Britain, France, and the USSR to fight fascism and destroy it.

    1947: President Harry Truman allies with the Free World to fight Communist aggression and liberate captive nations.

    1950: President Dwight Eisenhower confronts Communist aggression in South Korea with the UN as allies.

    1991: President George Bush leads an international alliance to repel an Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.

    2001: President George W. Bush leads the American people in retaliating to the September 11 attacks on America in Afghanistan against totalitarian Islamist groups.

    2013: President Barak Obama forms an alliance with the Muslim Brotherhood to install an anti-American Islamist state in Syria to join such U.S. “allies” as Egypt, Tunisia, Lebanon and Turkey on behalf of the Sunni Sharia World; to make the world safe for authoritarian religious dictatorships, antisemitism and those who would wipe Israel off the map, unrepentant Nazi allies, jihad against Christianity, subjecting women to second-class status, and murdering of gay people. Then to forge these ties stronger he defends an overthrown Egyptian Islamist regime insisting that it should at least participate in a coalition government earlier just to make sure that it has a share of power so that, no doubt, American values should be represented.

    I can add my contribution:

    The Muslim Brotherhood. Is this what Americans stand for?

    http://www.madisdead.blogspot.co.il/2012/11/the-muslim-brotherhood-is-this-what.html

  • Spikey1

    An early history of the The Muslim Brotherhood:
    The terrorist organization has been active in Egypt for a long time
    Founded in Egypt in 1928 by Al-Banna
    Motto: “Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. Qur’an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.”
    Shortly there after, they developed armed cells that attacked the government, its supporters and Christians.
    Afterwords, the movement was outlawed by Egypt.
    Al-Banna was a devout admirer of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime.
    Branches were set up in; Syria, Transjordan and Palestine.
    They took violent action against King Farouk’s government.
    Egyptian Prime Minister Mahmud Fahmi Nokrashi was assassinated by the Muslim Brotherhood on December 28, 1948
    Al-Banna was executed in Cairo in 1949 by government agents.
    1950′s to the 60′s
    Sayyid Qutb takes over.
    Religiously justifies attacking secular Arab leaders.
    Openly advocated jihad / holy war.
    “The very purpose of this movement is to set human beings free from the yoke of human enslavement and make them serve the One and Only God.”
    Abdul Munim Abdul Rauf tried to kill Nasser (the second president of Egypt) on October 26, 1954.
    Muslim Brotherhood is once again outlawed.
    4,000 of its members were imprisoned, including Sayyid Qutb.
    In fear brotherhood members moved to; Jordan, Libya, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Syria where they had bases already in place.
    1964, Nasser legalized the Brotherhood and released all prisoners.
    After several assassination attempts Nasser once again rounds up the members and puts them in jail.
    The leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood along with Sayyid Qutb are executed in 1966 for propagating Islamic radicalism and political violence.
    1967, (lol), Egypt along with Jordan and Syria and help from; Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Tunisia, Sudan, and the PLO, all took a beating in their six day war with Israel.

    The people of Egypt know this history and do not want it repeated, if only the Obama could be taught some….

  • bj affordable

    Who are the cops and who are the robbers?