“It Is Only When People Tire of Slaughtering their Neighbors and Eating Them…”


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That’s a great quote from a Lee Smith column on Kerry and the Syrian Civil War and while I don’t agree entirely with his conclusions, weakening the Saudis might be bad for our economy in the short term, but good in the long term, there are some great quotes to take away from it.

Kerry wants to convene an intra-Syrian peace conference, in tandem with Russia, sometime in June—with the goal of putting representatives of Bashar al-Assad’s regime together at the same table with the opposition forces determined to topple him. Since the Syrian uprising began in March 2011, more than 70,000 people have been killed, according to conservative estimates. To spectators in the balcony seats, the nauseating extent of the bloodshed might signal that the Syrians have had enough of death and want to get back to their lives.

But there are other, perhaps more instructive metrics. Last week, a video was released showing a rebel commander named Abu Sakkar eating what he believed to be the heart—it was actually the lung—of a regime loyalist. This gesture, apparently the first recorded act of ritual cannibalism in the Syrian civil war, suggests that the country’s sectarian furies are only now starting to reach a fever pitch—one that may well burn for many years to come. It is only when people tire of slaughtering their neighbors and eating them, and others are in turn tired of being slaughtered by their neighbors and being eaten, that they are ready to sit down and talk about peace.

But here’s the thing, how often does any Muslim group in the Middle East really tire of killing? Egypt made peace with Israel more for financial and geopolitical reasons than because it was really tired of killing. The appetite in Egypt for another war never seems to have abated. It’s one reason that the Muslim Brotherhood is in power now.

The weaker Shiite side in the Syrian Civil War, consisting of Assad and Hezbollah, do want the war to end, because their resources are limited. Iran however may have another agenda and might conceivably have bigger plans for turning what’s left of Syria into being run by some local equivalent of Hezbollah.

But on the Sunni side there is no similar worry. Turkey and Qatar, the biggest backers of the Sunni Jihadist forces, have felt very little in the way of blowback. Turkey got a few pinpricks. Qatar’s bank account balance dipped a little bit.

As in Israel, the state sponsors of terror are insulated from the terror they spread. The cannibalism is not likely to come to Doha or Istanbul. If it did, perhaps Erdogan might turn into a genuine moderate, instead of a firebreathing radical whom everyone in the diplomatic class has agreed to pretend is a moderate.

Syria is getting the same treatment that Israel has gotten over the years. The irony is that Syria used to dole out the treatment to Israel and to the United States in Iraq. Now it’s on the receiving end.

The question then is who is going to make peace? The Al Qaeda groups certainly won’t. Turkey and Qatar don’t seem enthusiastic. That pins all of Kerry’s hopes on the Muslim Brotherhood. The Brotherhood might conceivably be willing to make a deal with Assad, but only if the deal allows it to eventually take over Syria. And Assad isn’t likely to allow that. And he’s no longer as desperate as he was a few months ago.

The Brotherhood is more local than some of the Al Qaeda groups, so it does have interests on the ground. It’s not inconceivable that it could cut a good deal, but the fighting would still go on. And Assad isn’t Peres. He isn’t going to let the kind of good terrorist-bad terrorist scam be pulled on him. And that means a peace treaty will just lead to another war.

The real issue is the appetite for violence. It’s a unique appetite because it is rooted in religion… explicitly so in the case of a Sunni-Shiite holy war.

The question then is when will Islam get tired of its worshipers killing each other? Historically the answer may be never.

  • popseal

    The whole “Who gets to be Caliph” thing is the joker in the Islamic deck. The killing will never stop as long as long as somebody on the “other side” is available to commit religious murder.

  • 1Indioviejo1

    Daniel, you are very perceptive, as usual. The appetite for violence is part of the human condition. There will always be wars just as there have always been wars. Humans, if we are not killing each other in a war, we kill each other in the streets and call it a crime. Wars stop when one side obliterates the other or both are totally exhausted and seek respite for decades even, until the memory of the suffering is diffused. Excuses for killing are many and all seem preeminent at the time, until we suffer so deeply that it brings us to reflect on our humanity. This thought doesn’t last but a generation or two, maybe. We need to let the Muslims kill each other to their exhaustion and if we need to intervene for our own reasons of state, then hopefully we will do it punitively to any side which represents a threat.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    Since the Syrian uprising began in March 2011, more
    than 70,000 people have been killed, according to conservative estimates. To
    spectators in the balcony seats, the nauseating extent of the bloodshed might
    signal that the Syrians have had enough of death and want to get back to their
    lives.

    Whatever happened to the good old days of Ronald Reagan, when the Reagan administration worked quietly behind the scenes to extend the Iran/Iraq War as long as possible? Folks both sides of this conflict are our immortal enemies, and Muslims killing Muslims is good for us infidels and bad for them Muslims. It’s like ever since 9/11 the Republicans and the Democrats have been competing with each other to see which side can be the most insane!

    As in Israel, the state sponsors of terror are insulated from the terror they spread.

    You really mean “the state sponsors of jihad” as the word terror is ubiquitous in all societies less Islamic society, as Muslims fight jihad instead, and jihad, in stark to contrast to terror, is not only holy fighting in the cause of Allah for the establishment of Islam, but also manifests both violently and non-violently, but astronomically far more non-violently as opposed to violently unlike terror.

    Indeed, when writers like this one via political correctness falsely portray what is really jihad as somehow being terror, at the same time they are creating a smoke screen that effectively blinds their readers to the existence of non-violent jihad, which again is astronomically far more prevalent relative to the violent variety of jihad, because terror is synonymous with violence. As a matter of fact, when was the last time this writer wrote an article exposing the most ubiquitous form of jihad in the world, which is mass Muslim immigration to the West?

    Erdogan might turn into a genuine moderate, instead of a firebreathing radical whom everyone in the diplomatic class has agreed to pretend is a moderate.

    The existence of so-called moderate Muslims and radical Muslims is also an absurd political correct myth being promoted ignorantly by this writer. There are NO MODERATE MUSLIMS and there are NO RADICAL/EXTREMIST/ISLAMIST MUSLIMS. There are only mainstream orthodox Muslims and ALL MAINSTREAM ORTHODOX MUSLIMS are JIHADISTS, as jihad is Islam’s highest pillar and a holy obligation incumbent upon all Muslims. Therefore, ALL
    MAINSTREAM ORTHODOX MUSLIMS IN THE WORLD ARE JIHADISTS in one form or another! Otherwise, they are blasphemous apostates in which case per the texts and tenets of Islam they must be executed.

    As a matter of fact, for a person to be considered a true moderate Muslim by Western standards it would necessarily mean that such a person by Islamic standards isn’t really a Muslim at all but a blasphemous apostate instead that must be executed. Indeed, Islam is not a faith based religion, as its first and foremost requirement is the complete, total, and unconditional submission to the will of Allah under the pain of death for blasphemy and apostasy, and what is the will of Allah? The will of Allah is in effect sharia and sharia is Islamic law. In fact, all Muslims in the world, including the millions of Muslims living in the West today, have completely, totally, and unconditionally submitted to sharia, and the sole reason they are living here in the West today is to eventually impose sharia on the West via stealth jihad. Indeed, can anyone point to just one population of Muslim immigrants living anywhere in the West today that have actually assimilated and integrated into their new non-Islamic Western societies? Not even this writer can do that.

    The Brotherhood is more local than some of the Al Qaeda groups

    What is the Muslim Brotherhood and AQ? They are certainly not radical/extremist/Islamist Muslims. Instead, like all Muslims in the world they are mainstream orthodox Muslims that are also jihadists in one form or another.

    In any event, what is the easiest way to defeat Islam? It’s really simple, all we need to do is separate ourselves from Islam, i.e., ban and reverse mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage ASAP in the West, followed by the Western isolation of the Islamic world. No Muslims living in the West and no contact with the Islamic world would also translate to no jihad. It would also effectively be the end their global jihad to make Islam supreme throughout the world. In fact, it’s common sense.

    The real issue is the appetite for violence. It’s a unique appetite because it is rooted in religion… explicitly so in the case of a Sunni-Shiite holy war.

    Uhm…Islam may have initially started out as being a bastardized peaceful religion in Mecca, but subsequent to the Hijra in 622 AD, which is Muhammad’s migration from Mecca to Medina after he and his followers were cast out of Mecca, Muhammad subsequently became obsessed with revenge, politics, and jihad, while abandoning religion at the same time, and in the process Muhammad reformed Islam into what it is today, which is a totalitarian cult that aims as its sole purpose to subjugate all religions via the imposition of sharia, which is in effect the will of Allah.

    Moreover, via the principle of abrogation, which is universally accepted by all sects and divisions within Islam, the latter issued verses of the Koran abrogate and replace the earlier issued verses of the Koran. Thus, all the earlier issued peaceful verses of the Koran that originated in Mecca before the Islamic reformation when Islam was still a peaceful religion, have been effectively abrogated and replaced by the violent sword verses of the Koran that were issued by Muhammad subsequent to the Hijra that effectively reformed Islam into what it is today, which again is a totalitarian cult that masquerades as being a religion to dupe the gullible infidels it intends to subjugate into Islamic totalitarianism via the imposition of sharia.

  • Hard Little Machine

    The Muslim Mideast never really recovered from Genghis Khan. Not in a material way and not in a psychic way either.