Lindsey Graham: “The Prime Minister Kept Preaching to Me: ‘You Can’t Negotiate With These People.”


You can’t negotiate with these people…


The New York Times is Obama Inc’s Paper of Record. Lately it’s the place where the government goes to launder its foreign policy failures. And Egypt is no different.

How American Hopes for a Deal in Egypt Were Undercut” lays out the official spin. It begins, backward, with McCain and Graham’s visit to Egypt.

What was the deal? Freeing Muslim Brotherhood leaders. Of course.

The Americans heightened the pressure. Two senators visiting Cairo, John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, met with Gen. Abdul-Fattah el-Sisi, the officer who ousted Mr. Morsi and appointed the new government, and the interim prime minister, Hazem el-Beblawi, and pushed for the release of the two prisoners. But the Egyptians brushed them off.

“You could tell people were itching for a fight,” Mr. Graham recalled in an interview. “The prime minister was a disaster. He kept preaching to me: ‘You can’t negotiate with these people. They’ve got to get out of the streets and respect the rule of law.’ I said: ‘Mr. Prime Minister, it’s pretty hard for you to lecture anyone on the rule of law. How many votes did you get? Oh, yeah, you didn’t have an election.’ ”

Mahmoud Abbas hasn’t had an election in quite a while. Somehow I doubt Graham would be asking him that question. Somehow I doubt he would be asking it of the King of Saudi Arabia or former Prime Minister Mario Monto of Italy.

The Prime Minister was telling Graham that you can’t negotiate with terrorists. And indeed you can’t.

General Sisi, Mr. Graham said, seemed “a little bit intoxicated by power.”

A feeling completely foreign to Graham, who touches down in Egypt and begins telling its government what to do.

All of the efforts of the United States government, all the cajoling, the veiled threats, the high-level envoys from Washington and the 17 personal phone calls by Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, failed to forestall the worst political bloodletting in modern Egyptian history.

Actually the worst bloodletting in history would have come if the Brotherhood had been allowed to remain in power… as Obama wanted it to.

From one side, the Israelis, Saudis and other Arab allies have lobbied him to go easy on the generals in the interest of thwarting what they see as the larger and more insidious Islamist threat.

When everyone in the region, except Qatar, which has become the region’s top terrorist backer, is saying the same thing, maybe it’s time to pay attention.

Mr. Obama gambled on Mr. Morsi, the Muslim Brotherhood leader elected a year ago. He found Mr. Morsi a useful and pragmatic partner in handling issues like a violent flare-up in Gaza. But Mr. Obama became convinced that the Egyptian was not being inclusive enough at home to stabilize his own country.

Something that Obama was never willing to say in public.

The administration enlisted people on opposite sides of the contest unfolding in Egypt. Diplomats from Qatar, a regional patron of the Muslim Brotherhood, agreed to influence the Islamists. The United Arab Emirates, determined opponents of the Islamists, were brought in to help reach out to the new authorities.

But while the Qataris and Emiratis talked about “reconciliation” in front of the Americans, Western diplomats here said they believed the Emiratis were privately urging the Egyptian security forces to crack down.

In other news. Duh.

The UAE has cracked down hard on the Brotherhood. Qatar may run D.C., but it no longer runs Cairo.

Mr. Hagel tried to forge a connection with General Sisi, the defense minister who has become the country’s de facto leader. Mr. Hagel, a 66-year-old decorated Vietnam War veteran, felt he and General Sisi, a 58-year-old graduate of the United States Army War College in Pennsylvania, “clicked right away” when they met in April, an American official said.

Sometimes you almost feel sorry for Hagel. Sure he’s evil. But he’s also pathetic.

In a series of phone calls, Mr. Hagel pressed General Sisi for a transition back to civilian rule. They talked nearly every other day, usually for an hour or an hour and a half, lengthened by the use of interpreters. But General Sisi complained that the Obama administration did not fully appreciate that the Islamists posed a threat to Egypt and its army. The general asked Mr. Hagel to convey the danger to Mr. Obama, American officials said.

“Their whole sales pitch to us is that the Muslim Brotherhood is a group of terrorists,” said one American officer, who was not authorized to speak publicly about the dialogue.

By “sales pitch”, he means obvious facts that everyone and their cousin already knew.

Mr. Kerry sent his deputy, William J. Burns, to Cairo, where he and a European Union counterpart scrambled to de-escalate the crisis.Under a plan they worked out, the Muslim Brotherhood would limit demonstrations to two squares, thin out crowds and publicly condemn violence.

The government would issue a similar statement, commit to an inclusive political process allowing any party to compete in elections and, as a sign of good faith, release Saad al-Katatni, the Muslim Brotherhood speaker of the dissolved Parliament, and Aboul-Ela Maadi, founder of a more moderate Islamist party. Both faced implausible charges of instigating violence, and Western diplomats felt that before the takeover, Mr. Katatni in particular had proved himself a pragmatic voice for compromise.

How implausible are those charges? Here’s Katani calling for the destruction of Israel and demanding that the gates of Jihad be opened.

And here’s how he began his term in office.

“Our revolution continues and we will not rest until all the goals of the revolution are met and we avenge our martyrs,” he said in an address that drew a standing ovation. “We will never betray the blood of our martyrs.”

Yup. Utterly pragmatic and implausible.

But on Aug. 4, the interim government surprised the diplomats by bringing charges for incitement to murder against the Brotherhood’s supreme guide, Mohamed Badie, who was in hiding, and Khairat el-Shater, its most influential leader, who had been detained.

Adding to the shock of the new charges, they came just hours before Mr. Burns and his European partner, Mr. León, were allowed to see Mr. Shater. Mr. Shater embraced the need for dialogue, but did not endorse the proposals.

Yes. Utterly shocking.

Mr. Shater’s people also claimed that he never met with them and would never agree to anything.

 Mr. McCain and Mr. Graham arrived in Cairo amid increasing tensions. They went first to see Ambassador Anne W. Patterson. “You could see it on her face, that nobody’s listening,” Mr. Graham said. He said administration officials asked them to press for the release of the two Islamists and to push the Brotherhood to pull people off the street.

Obama Inc helping the Brotherhood? I’m shocked.

  • Steeloak

    McLame and Gramnesty need to go. Their clueless arrogance has been a national embarrassment for far too long.

  • Jakareh

    I can’t conceive of anything more useless than two Islamist-abetting RINOs.

    • Jay Biondo

      Rand Paul is calling for the end to aid as well – I wouldn’t have previously put him into the RINO category, but what the heck is he thinking?

      • Jakareh

        Personally, I wouldn’t vote for Rand Paul because he’s a libertarian and I’m a proud right-winger, but I don’t think he falls into the same category as the two aforementioned clowns. The way I seee it he’s against foreign aid, period, and he’s using the situation in Pharaoh-land as a pretext to cut some of it. McCain and Graham, on the other hand, are beyond redemption. They’re for Morsi in Egypt because he’s the “legitimate” president (who won the election through fraud and suppressing the Christian vote), but they’re against Assad in Syria. One way or the other, they always want to eat a big, fat jihadist kebab.

      • Crazycatkid

        Rand Paul like his father are anti-Israel &anti-Semitic which distorts their views on all matters. What a pathetic selection of public “servants” we have.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      Unfortunately, Republicans have been as incompetent on Islam as Obama. Indeed, both major political parties don’t have the first clue. May God help us.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        “Unfortunately, Republicans have been as incompetent on Islam as Obama.”

        Almost, but not quite. Carter, Iran. Clinton, Oslo Accords. 0’Bama, Arab Spring. That doesn’t mean that Republicans are not dupes and who are also corrupted by double-dealing regimes, but the Democrats are generally far bigger dupes. They cause a lot more damage. At least Republicans manage to serve our interests in exchange for some stupid moves. We get nothing in return for DP deals but mayhem and higher costs.

        • ObamaYoMoma

          Republicans: the so-called “War on Terror” as the Iraq and Afghanistan fiascoes are the two biggest strategic blunders ever in American history. However, I agree that far the most part, the Dhimmicrats are far worse.

    • SurfinUSA

      The closest you can get to more useless is two farts in a spacesuit… but McLame and Whimsy Graham take the prize.

  • disqus_aO4KJtxZtF

    Let’s speculate for a moment. What if Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt is the cultural equivalent of Obama and the Democrats in the United States? Both leaders were brought to power by questionable democratic elections, and both countries have a professional military that is patriotic. In the case of Egypt, many of their military officers were trained in the United States and are familiar with US military hardware.

    It looks like Morsi went too far in fundamentally transforming Egypt, so the Egyptian military realized they had to put a stop to him for the sake of the nation and its prosperity. Is there a culturally equivalent incident that means the same may happen in the United States?

    In our time, it is hard to know what is true and what is US media propaganda. Based on what we know and read about the US military, a takeover may have been already discussed in some circles disgusted with Obama, especially among US military officers from Lt. Col. on down. Beyond that, the Incident at Benghazi is a sore spot for many loyal Americans in all the ranks.

    Is there a point where the US Constitution could be suspended by the US military in order to save the Constitution? Perhaps the truth about the Incident at Benghazi is that point of no return for the US military. Here is where politics in Egypt and the United States may converge.

    Some believe there are already US and British military advisors talking with the Egyptian generals, giving them advice. The advice is: Clamp down hard and get it over with quickly. Back in the US, they would wait and see how things turn out in Egypt, and what is made public about the betrayal at Benghazi.

    • retired

      Anybody out there remember Salvador Allende?
      Deja Vu anyone?

      • Drakken

        Thank God General Pinochet stopped that commi sob in time.

    • Jakareh

      I think that in time (20-30 years), there will be a revolt/revolution/civil war in the United States because the political system has become too corrupt for its problems to be fixed through democratic means. Since most Americans think it’s unacceptable to turn the country into a Third World cesspool fought over by the NAACP, La Raza, and the Muslim Brotherhood, there will be a reaction to get rid of the riffraff and restore America to Americans.

      • Drakken

        Frankly, I think your timeline is a bit off, in Europe the Balkans on steroids are about to kick off and it will spread here as well, so we certainly are living in interesting times.

    • James Paul

      No, there is no way for the American military to topple an elected president and it be legal, no one in uniform would even publicly talk about doing so. Obama won his re election, sorry America, you are stuck with the consequences of your votes. Obama ran on crushing the economy, crushing the military, crushing the middle class, ran on putting everyone on welfare, and won…. no amount of military intervention will save America from stupid voters…

      • Jakareh

        Revolutions never happen until they do.

  • Seek

    Perhaps unbeknownst to Sen. Graham, the Egyptian government knows whereof it speaks. The Muslim Brotherhood (i.e., terrorists) would unleash far worse than that which the regime has unleashed. The senator should go home.
    To quote the French: “It is worse than a crime. It is a mistake.”

  • m4253y

    Is it no longer the policy of the USA to not negotiate with terrorists? or has the muslim in chief f^cked that up too?

    • James Paul

      No, now we arm terrorists…

  • Jay Biondo

    Wait – so our government is siding with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and talking about cutting off aid to the country only now that the Muslim Brotherhood has been removed? And Rand Paul, McCain, Graham, etc. are calling for this end to financial aid as well…am I missing something here about how insanely idiotic this is?

  • D_boy

    When we saw 4 million people protesting Morsi everyone in their right mind knew that we were about to witness the bloodbath of 4 million people. Clear and simple the MB was going to have to kill at least that many people to stay in power and fulfill their Jihad bull-crap. I really was so proud of the Egyptian Army, when they stopped them. I would not protest the Jailing or death of all MB as they have proved to the very same evil as Obama and Hillary. Impeach Obama for treason, for aid and comfort to an enemy in a time of war. Not just because of Egypt, but Libya, Syria, Afghanistan Iraq, Pakistan and Iran. But how he is overlooking our constitution.

  • antioli

    The real question is what goes on in the minds of the Bobbsey Twins.

    They seem to see every thing in reverse. They are for things that are bad for Egypt and America and their people. The brotherhood has been around for generations. Their plans and how they expect to achieve them have been well demonstrated. You Can Not negotiate with the Islamic Brother Hood

    • rangerider

      Like many politicians once they are in the light of media the brain is shorted out by delusions/visions of greatness:-)

      • CowboyUp

        You nailed it. Graham and McCain like seeing their faces in the news, and will sell out the GOP, America’s allies, and the USA itself for msm approval.

  • Jakareh

    “Mr. Graham recalled in an interview. “The prime minister was a disaster.
    He kept preaching to me: ‘You can’t negotiate with these people.
    They’ve got to get out of the streets and respect the rule of law.’”

    Is Lindsey Graham saying the Muslim Brotherhood does respect the rule of the law and is an honorable negotiating partner? How does a moronic closet homosexual like him get to be a U.S. senator when in any online forum, at any time of day or night, you can find 100 people with superior integrity and intellect?

  • Omar

    These RHINOS are so corrupt. Lindsey and his brother, McCain is a disgrace to his father, Kerry is a nut case that self injured to escape his duty in Vietnam. You could not find more corruption unless the 2 clintoons went to Egypt. The Egyptian military have it dead on. They must eliminate the brotherhood sore from the body called Egypt.

  • herb benty

    The MB wants to destroy Israel then America, THAT is who Obama and the Democratic Party support- Obama is now chewing on his own tail- “professing themselves to be wise, they became fools”.

  • jubalbiggs

    What is interesting about this is if you just go North across the Med from Egypt, you can lay out a parallel situation in Greece that is actually plausible in the future. There, you have the quasi-Nazi Golden Dawn with a significant hunk of popular support in the electorate and a country teetering on the edge of economic and social chaos. It is absolutely conceivable that a Golden Dawn controlled coalition of some kind could come to power in Athens after another major economic collapse similarly to the way the Muslim Brotherhood came to power in Egypt. Likewise, this democratic political party would have extremely questionable long term goals when it comes to CONTINUING democracy in that state. Imagine an anti-Golden Dawn action by Greek military against an elected government and try to figure what side this White House would come down on. Not too hard… so what, in particular, is so appealing about the Islamist-religious fascism of the Brotherhood anyway?