McCain: Path to Citizenship Vital, Border Security Isn’t


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Anyone who believes in amnesty, doesn’t believe in border security or enforcement. That much is obvious. And now even more wheels are coming off the “Border Security” angle that was used to sell Amnesty.

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) signaled Tuesday that the dramatic boost in border-security in the Senate’s comprehensive immigration bill could be one of the provisions that may be changed in a potential House-Senate compromise.

During an immigration forum hosted by the AFL-CIO Tuesday, McCain – a key Senate Gang of Eight negotiator – said while a pathway to citizenship for the nation’s undocumented immigrants is a “fundamental element” of the bill, the “rest of it could be adjusted.” He singled out the border security parts as an example.

“We don’t need 20,000 additional border patrol agents,” McCain said Tuesday. “But what we do need is use of technology that has been developed where we can survey the border more effectively.”

Yes some sort of technology that doesn’t require people to run it. Maybe drones that can make arrests.

“I voted for it so friends of mine would be comfortable that we are securing the border,” McCain said Tuesday. “But the real securing of the border is with technology, as opposed to individuals.”

The real securing of the border isn’t happening. Because if you believe in amnesty, there are always excuses why you can’t and shouldn’t secure the border.

And McCain just gave the game away. Citizenship is vital. Border security doesn’t matter.

Sen. John McCain dismissed House Republican concerns that if they passed immigration reform, President Barack Obama would not enforce the parts he did not like, calling the notion “ludicrous.”

“Then we should pass no laws,” he told reporters Tuesday. “We should pass no laws. We should all go home, save the taxpayers money, and not do anything. If that’s the logic, that Obama won’t enforce the law if we pass it, then pass no laws.”

Finally a McCain proposal we can all get behind.

  • Veracious_one

    McCain, like most politicians, lacks the courage to enforce existing immigration laws…

  • Erudite Mavin

    Further to the left of McCain and Rubio is Rand Paul

    Does Rand Paul Support Amnesty? Yes

    Posted By Daniel Greenfield On March 20, 2013

    Read his lips

    We’ve gone over this exhaustively and apparently we’ll be going over this exhaustively until the cows and the illegals come home.

    The underlying problem, as I said yesterday, is that amnesty advocates like Rubio and Rand, insist on using misleading language that doesn’t clearly communicate what they mean.

    Rand Paul is for a process that will turn millions of illegal aliens into citizens. But he doesn’t like to use the word “Amnesty” and now he decided that he doesn’t like the term “Path to Citizenship” either. So he’s against the word and the term, but he’s for the process.

    Rand Paul delivered a speech which did not use the word “citizenship”, but said that the 12 million would integrate into our society. When asked afterward if he meant citizenship, he said yes.

    And, as Paul made clear following the speech, that’s exactly what he’s supporting. When asked if his plan granting work visas to the 11 million undocumented workers in the country would mean they could, eventually, become citizens, Paul said yes.

    According to his aides, there was also a path to citizenship. And the latter comes from a supportive piece in the Washington Examiner.

    The AP is claiming that Rand Paul had citizenship in his prepared speech, but then deleted the reference during his actual speech. And while the AP may not be trustworthy, he and his office did say they support a path to citizenship afterward.

    On his conference call, Rand Paul complained that “the whole debate on immigration is trapped in a couple of words: ‘pathway to citizenship’ and ‘amnesty.’ If we get trapped in these terms, either for or against, we’re going to get polarized.”

    That’s Politicianspeak (TM) for “I support Amnesty, but don’t want to say so.”

    Then in an adoring Jennifer Rubin piece, Rand Paul complained that he doesn’t like using specific words like amnesty or citizenship…

    Paul struggled valiantly to tell the media that haggling over terms like “path to citizenship” and “amnesty” gets the debate nowhere. “[The debate] is trapped in a couple of words — ‘path to citizenship’ and ‘amnesty,’ ” he said. Taking a shot at the anti-immigration advocates, he said later in the call, “Everybody who doesn’t want anything to move forward calls anything they don’t like a ‘path to citizenship’ and ‘amnesty.’”

    Sounding a tad forlorn, he then asked, “Can’t we just call it reform?”

    The best way for the debate to go somewhere is to say what you mean. Rand Paul, like most amnesty advocates, is allergic to that.

    A path to citizenship means something very clear. Reform means nothing.

    He also clarified a number of other points. His plan differs from others circulating in requiring a yearly congressional vote to certify border security. But once that is obtained, he would ease the way “to normalize the people here.” In response to my question on fines, back taxes and other penalties, he said, “I’m not as a big a stickler” on those items. He noted that at the work visa stage many people are of modest means and such requirements could mean “you’d never be able to do it.”

    As for citizenship, he went around and around with reporters, reiterating in response to each variation on the same question that for citizenship the new visa holders would “get in line” or “go to the back of the line.” He referred to the “existing” line but allowed that there had to be discussion about country limits, how many people are in line, how long they must wait, etc.

    He also indicated he was open to “rethinking” his opposition to granting citizenship to children brought here illegally if the border security issue can be resolved.

    So Rand Paul is open to anchor babies and minimal on any post-border enforcement. And he compulsively dodges the question of citizenship. (And this is from a piece by a RINO columnist who supports Rand and his position.)

    But once you pin him down, he supports citizenship after an extended waiting period. He just won’t say so clearly and when he does, he will then try to deny it.

    After yesterday’s backlash, Rand Paul appears to have taken refuge in still more ambiguity.

    “I didn’t use the word citizenship at all this morning,” Paul said. ”Basically what I want to do is to expand the worker visa program, have border security and then as far as how people become citizens, there already is a process for how people become citizens. The main difference is I wouldn’t have people be forced to go home. You’d just get in line. But you get in the same line everyone is in.”

    So the new Rand Paul strategy is to claim that he doesn’t support a path to citizenship, he just supports legalizing workers… at which point they’ll eventually become citizens on their own.

    Some conservative sites have been taken in and are insisting that Rand Paul really doesn’t support a path to citizenship. His answer makes it ambiguously murkily clear that he supports it, he just doesn’t support taking credit for it.

    Instead Rand Paul breaks down the Path to Citizenship into two separate parts. A legalization part which he will take credit for and a citizenship part which he won’t take credit for, even though the legalization leads to citizenship.

    That’s like saying you don’t support freeing rapists from jail, you just support eliminating penalties against rape. If you support one, you also support the other because it’s the outcome of your proposal.

    Setting aside the question of whether you support amnesty or not… the entire way that Rand Paul goes about discussing the issue is dishonest.

    He’s not willing to alienate either pro-amnesty or anti-amnesty voters, so he keeps it as vague as possible and then makes it even vaguer.

    If Rand Paul wanted to endorse a path to citizenship, all he had to do say was say it. If he wanted to deny it, all he had to do was make it clear that legalization would mean temporary worker status with no right to apply for permanent status or citizenship.

    But Rand Paul refuses to say either one. Instead he complains that defining what he means is “polarizing” and “unproductive”.

    Even though Paul would clearly make it easier to become a citizen, he said he would rather not label it a “path to citizenship,” because using that phrases means everyone “closes their ears” to the rest of the argument.

    Is this really what we want? Politicians who won’t say what they mean because then they’re afraid we won’t listen to their argument?

    But if you’re not convinced that Rand Paul supports amnesty, then just read his own words in a Washington Times column last month.

    The gang of eight wants back taxes and fines. Most of these undocumented immigrants are poor and may not be able to ever pay ten years of back payroll taxes. I would be willing to forego the fines and back taxes in exchange for a longer and significant time period before these folks are eligible to enter into the green card line.

    Currently, undocumented immigrants have a pathway to citizenship. They can leave the United States and enter legally in about ten years. They just value staying in America, even with the pitfalls of being undocumented, more than returning to Mexico or Central America for ten years.

    To those who complain that if anyone is allowed to stay without returning to Mexico that it amounts to amnesty, I say: What we have now is de facto amnesty. No undocumented immigrants are being sent home and no one is seriously advocating rounding up and sending home 11 million people. Immigration reform begins the process of bringing these folks out of the shadows and making American taxpayers out of them.

    I share the goal of a working immigration system, and a new approach to allowing those here in our country who want to work and stay out of trouble to stay here. But I will not repeat the mistakes of the past when vague promises were made and not kept. Would I hope that when they become citizens, these new immigrants will remember Republicans who made this happen? Yes.

    The National Review’s Mark Kirkorian said it best. Don’t stand with Rand.

    http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/does-rand-paul-support-amnesty-yes-he-does/print/

  • GSR

    The “deal” is this: GOP doesn’t enforce border and immigration laws so firms can get unlimited supply of cheap labor and the Dems get an ever-increasing demographic of poor, foreign born peasants who are ripe for ethnic greivance / class warfare rhetoric and the consequent social programs that follow.
    Native born Americans, black and white, get the shaft, while losing their country.

  • Erudite Mavin

    Rand Paul on Amnesty: “Imagine 12 Million New Taxpayers”

    Posted By Daniel Greenfield On June 12, 2013

    http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/rand-paul-on-amnesty-imagine-12-million-new-taxpayers/print/

  • Erudite Mavin

    Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    By Rosalind S. Helderman, Published: March 19

    The dramatic shift in the Republican Party on immigration continued Tuesday,
    as Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), a conservative tea party icon and possible 2016
    presidential contender, endorsed an overhaul of the nation’s immigration laws
    that would allow the nation’s estimated 11 million illegal immigrants to obtain
    legalized status.

    “Immigration will not occur until conservative Republicans, like myself,
    become part of the solution. That’s why I’m here today: to begin that
    conversation and become part of the solution,” he said in a breakfast speech
    Tuesday morning before the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce in Washington

    Like
    other politicians who have advocated a “bigger-tent” philosophy for their
    party, the US senator from Kentucky says this doesn’t mean leaving strongly
    held principles behind. “It’s not going to change who I am or what I talk about
    but I think we can be a big enough party to include people,” Paul said at
    the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, Calif., Friday
    evening…

    By
    Maeve Reston LA Times

    May
    31, 2013

    Paul
    has also expressed openness to the immigration legislation
    that a bipartisan group of lawmakers is crafting in the U.S. Senate, but he has
    not been one of the leaders on that effort as potential rival Marco Rubio, the
    senator from Florida, has been. “Latinos will come to the GOP when we treat
    them with dignity,” Paul said Friday

  • Erudite Mavin

    Rand Paul’s father, Ron voted over the years against the Border fence, Border security.

  • garyfouse

    Being married to a Mexican naturalized US citizen, is it not assuming much that all these people even aspire to become citizens? If we are going to regularize their staTus, that’s one thing, but why this focus on path to citizenship?
    It’s a rhetorical question, of course.
    As for McCain, he was a hero in the military, but it’s time for him to retire. He has lost his way in the labrynth of Washington.

  • cynthia curran

    Well, what’s missing is Jeff Flake even supported by Jim Demitt in the primary against Lou Cardin, everyone knows about McCain but Jeff Flake is ignored.

  • http://forumsforjustice.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3997&postcount=13 Forums4Justice

    Eff the Nuevo Republican Party http://bit.ly/13pxZ94

  • http://forumsforjustice.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3997&postcount=13 Forums4Justice

    Illegal immigrants are already a burden on U.S. taxpayers;

    Legalized illegal immigrants will create an even greater burden on U.S. taxpayers.

    Illegal Immigrant Employment, as it now exists, within our United States

    Less than 4% of all the illegal immigrants, in our United States, are working in agriculture.

    ON-THE-BOOKS, EIGHT MILLION ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are working in, non-agriculture, American jobs, by using false, or stolen SS numbers. Using SS mismatches, DHS knows where these illegal immigrants are working.

    OFF-THE-BOOKS, there’s a rapidly expanding $2+ Trillion Underground Economy in the U.S,, which has doubled in the last four years, driven by the continued inflow of illegal immigrants, and more U.S. employers contracting work out to them. Immigration Reform does absolutely nothing to address the issue of the Underground Economy. It is doubtful that many of the illegal immigrants working in the underground economy would opt for citizenship. The illegal immigrants will still be here working off-the-books, and as long as there are jobs are available, more illegal immigrants will come .. More than 12.5%, 1/8th of our economy is OFF-THE-BOOKs, tax-free, under the table. An estimated $500 billion in tax revenue is currently lost due to the underground economy. That number is growing.

    11.1 million? GMAB
    ————————————————–

    On-the-Books, Poor, and Uneducated, Illegals, or Legalized Illegals, FICA Taxes, and Income Taxes Paid

    Earnings/yr…FICA/yr……. … Income Taxes..
    $10,000……….$765……….
    $20,000……….$1530……… Poor, and Uneducated, Illegal Immigrants, Pay Little, to No, Income Taxes
    $30,000……….$2295……… 67,516,746 paid $22.363 billion in income taxes
    *$34,338…….$2627 ……………………………………………
    $40,000……….$3060………
    $60,000……….$4590……… 67,516,746 paid $926.782 billion in income taxes
    $80,000……….$6120………
    $100,000……..$7650………
    $110,000……..$8415………
    $113,700……..$8698………

    FICA = 7.65% Social Security & Medicare Payroll Tax

    *in tax year 2010, the 50% of all taxpayers earning under $34,338 paid 2.36% of the total income taxes

    1/3 of U. S. workers earn less than $24,000 per year

    Legalized illegals won’t become taxpayers;
    they will become dependent on U.S. taxpayers
    competing for social benefits with our existing poor

    total individual income taxes paid in 2010 $0.949 trillion
    total social insurance taxes paid in FY2010 $0.865 trillion
    ————————————————–

    Obama is lying to America – illegals, legalized, will hurt Social Security

    relative to Social Security, and Medicare/Medicaid,
    low-income persons, pay the least amount IN, and draw the highest percentage OUT,
    relative to the amount paid in

    11 million++ poor, and uneducated, legalized illegal immigrants,
    added to the Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid System,
    will create an enormous future deficit in these programs …
    ….. at the expense of Americans …..
    an infusion into the Social Security, and Medicare, Trust Funds, NOW,
    but placing an enormous burden on both systems in the future,
    and there’s no getting around that.

    Social Security Earned Benefits – eligibility, 40 quarters worked

    Earnings/yr…..IN/yr……..OUT/mo.(ER)
    $10,000……….$620……….$407……….66%
    $20,000……….$1240………$651……….53%
    $30,000……….$1860………$795……….43%
    $40,000……….$2480………$939……….38%
    $60,000……….$3720………$1228………33%
    $80,000……….$4960………$1517………31%
    $100,000……..$6200………$1678……….27%
    $110,000……..$6820………$1746……….26%
    $113,700……..$7049………$1771……….25%
    ————————————————–

    more at link: http://forumsforjustice.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14&postcount=1

  • silvergonzales

    And this decrepit monkey almost became the Prez??? Sorry McInsane, you do need bodies to protect borders in addition to high tech. Especially the border with Mexico. A pathway for the FARC and muslims to penetrate. This guy is either mentally insane or on a muslim payroll, as are all politicians.

  • davarino

    McCain needs to go away.

  • WhiteHunter

    I cannot understand why McCain, who heroically withstood years of excruciating, maiming torture at the hands of the communists in the Hanoi Hilton and turned down their offer to release him as a propaganda stunt, instantly caves in to, and eagerly cooperates with, the demands and inducements of the obammunists now.
    Technology to “monitor” the border is worthless and pointless without “boots on the ground,” equipped with horses, SUVs, handcuffs, and guns — and Rules of Engagement allowing agents to do their job instead of prosecuting them for doing it (cf. Ramos and Compean).
    Republican candidates will NEVER get more than 1/3 of the “Hispanic vote” (see the results of the Massachusetts U.S. Senate special election, in which Gabriel Gomez (R) lost to Markey (D) in a 70% to 30% landslide). Any Republican, or rather RINO, who claims the Party has to pander to this faction needs to stop drinking the Kool Aid and face reality with clear eyes and a clear head.

  • Dave Francis

    McCain and other GOP legislators, a danger to the unemployed?

    I cannot see any real chance of stopping an Amnesty for
    under estimation of 11 million illegal aliens, unless more
    Americans; Black, Anglo, Hispanic, Latino, Asian all communicate
    their frustration with Congress? There is just too much
    corruption spread throughout Washington to end this travesty. IS
    THE FIX ALREADY IN? The Democrats are pushing for amnesty,
    because eventually they will have the power of the vote, while
    the Republicans in this insane “Tug of War” is the incessant
    influence in the business special interest means a never ending
    stream of manual and cheap labor. Whatever the count of people
    coming here, the dire consequence is overpopulation. I sit at
    home and watch the traffic cams in different American cities,
    made well aware of the daily mess that is our freeways and
    highways. Every morning and night commuters spend hours stuck in
    the clogged chaos. Are we so gullible to believe that the future
    is bright for the low income Americans, and recent legal
    immigrants who will obviously suffer the most from another
    amnesty.

    The ICE union boss already has filed a civil case against the
    Department of Justice, Eric Holder and Janet Napolitano,
    although she’s leaving the immigration debacle. Even so Ice has
    clearly stated that the real problem of illegal immigration is
    the business community, who thinks they are above the law in
    hiring unauthorized workers. Chris Crane, president of the ICE
    union has described clearly that illegal alien can be stopped,
    by sharing the 20000 new recruits bound for the border regions.
    Ice agent are are stretched thin around the country with only
    5000 officers to audit the payroll records, when they should be
    the main enforcement with lightening raids. Partial fine
    distribution should be appropriated to legal worker “Whistle
    Blowers” that have a suspicion of illegal aliens being paid
    under the table,or employed at their location furnishing to the
    ICE policing of business owners and corporations that are in
    violation of the law. It cannot be any more obvious that their
    is a silent conspiracy to not regulate the business world?

    BREAKING

    NEWS! Top GOP donors urge Republicans to give aliens
    amnesty…Read the latest now on TeaParty.org

    ACTION: It’s time for a full frontal assault! Tell
    Congress “NO AMNESTY for illegals! NO REWARDING
    those who broke the law coming to America!”
    Congressional Democrats want nothing more than to pass the
    immigration bill and gain millions more votes that would turn
    America into a liberal wasteland—a country with no borders. Tell Congress “NO BACKROOM DEALS! END THE
    PUSH FOR AMNESTY!” Be a true Patriot. Send your Fax Blast to Congress today! Send scathing

    faxes into the in-boxes of every member of the House and
    Senate using the mailing

    system at
    numbersusa.com . It’s free!

    or you can help out with a donation? Let lawmakers
    distinguish that, “A vote

    for Amnesty means NO REELECTION FOR YOU!”

    We can jam their phones at toll-free — 1-888-978-3094–.
    Set up your message on Twitter or Facebook as

    the Left is doing with their counterproductive misleading
    information. You can

    reach millions of people on these Social networks, so we can
    hammer away at

    these slick politicians

    If the Republicans pass the Senate immigration as it was
    originally authored, taxpayers will feel the tax pain. Their
    are so many loopholes in S.477, you could drive a Boeing 474
    through it. They have masked many of the sly language, that
    illegal aliens would be able to tap social security and
    other benefits. Its just like the Birthright Citizenship
    act, that was President Abraham Lincoln seeing problems for
    emancipated slaves and their descendants. It was never meant
    for a fabricated means for pregnant foreign Mothers who have
    entered this country illegally, to claim citizenship for
    their child and children, laying the foundation to
    supplement the family income with child cash payments with
    your dollars.

    It is an accepted truth now that their are very few
    politicians that we can trust, who honor their allegiance
    and stand by the Rule of Law. President Obama’s Dept of
    Justice has not, because they are being sued in the courts
    of law.

    Can we honestly believe and trust Congress to do THE PEOPLES
    will? That was what we were promised before President Reagan
    signed the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act. All
    those promises to uphold the law, to arrest business owners
    who ignored the law, and the authorities didn’t do a thing.
    This is why we now have the really unknown numbers of
    illegal aliens who crossed the border, or as we know now
    sneaked into our country by passenger airlines. In a
    Washington Times article stated today, August 1st:

    In an audit of the Department of Homeland Security has
    found that the agency has lost track of more than 1 million
    foreign visitors. The foreign citizens came to the United
    States on temporary visas, but DHS can’t confirm that they’ve
    actually left the United States. In 1996, Congress mandated
    the creation of an entry-exit system at all ports of entry to
    track visa overstayers, but it has yet to be implemented.

    An audit was conducted by the Government Accountability
    Office.

    “DHS has not yet fulfilled the 2004 statutory
    requirement to implement a biometric exit capability, but has
    planning efforts under way to report to Congress in time for
    the fiscal year 2016 budget cycle on the costs and benefits of
    such a capability at airports and seaports,” GAO investigators
    wrote.

    The Schumer-Obama amnesty bill, S.744, required
    completion of the entry-exit system at all sea and air ports,
    but excluded the more heavily traveled land ports, before some
    amnestied illegal aliens could begin a path to citizenship. In
    2004, however, Congress required that the entry-exit system
    capture biometric information, but the Senate bill weakened
    that requirement by only requiring use of a biographic system.

    As a result of the weakened entry-exit system in the
    Senate bill, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that
    S.744 would only reduce future illegal immigration by 33-50%.

    Before any acceptance of a House Immigration bill, they
    must fulfill their obligation to build the double layer
    fencing stretching the 700 miles as promised. Another major
    deterrent to illegal immigration at ports of entry; borders,
    airline arrivals and ferry terminals, not excluding the
    Canadian border. Additionally, I don’t see Citizenship as a
    right, after stealing into America. That no gang members
    should be admitted for legal status, or habitual criminals.
    Something is seriously wrong with immigration laws, when
    illegal entry is classed as a civil act. Obviously the laws
    were written for special interests and not for the American
    population in-mass.

    The cost to address the benefits and monetary
    supplements is prohibitive for every taxpayer. Billions of
    dollars must be spent to process those who are living in the
    shadows. You know anything that comes out of the Obama
    administration is surely to be a lie. Whatever the solution to
    this accelerating problem is the majority out there are
    illiterate of the English language and will be hired in place
    of the 10 million Americans jobless. Bringing these numbers of
    foreign nationals into the workforce, will lower wages, add
    more crushing poverty that America doesn’t need. We have
    millions of American poor and the only hope of survival, is
    food stamps. Adding more layers of illegal aliens to American
    population, is just condemning the people to major shortages
    and water for drinking.

    I see the only avenue for the whole of American
    taxpayers and honest workers to survive is for Congress to
    introduce a biometric steel-clad Social security card for
    applying for jobs, for voting in any future citizen election
    and as another benefit, to halt credit theft. Without such a
    document illegal aliens will still figure a way around a
    mandatory E-Verify system to steal jobs from Americans. But a
    national ID card will have many additionally qualities, for
    thwarting thieves from many odious activities.

  • Dillan

    The author of this article is a complete jerk. He puts word in McCains mouth.
    What senator John tried to say is that border security security features can be adjusted depending on tecnology progress and new available equiptment. For example you don’t have to buy Ford vehicles for your companys fleet. It could be Dodge or Chevy. The purpose is the same the ways are different!!!
    When it comes to pathway to legal status/citezenship you don’t mess around with peoples lives and familys