Men Get First Place in Line for Death Panels

Dr. Marisa Cruz is the lead author of a study showing that a 12-item list of health questions can help predict chances for dying within 10 years for patients aged 50 and older.

Death panels, as we all know, are a crazy thing that Sarah Palin and the British nationalized health care system made up. They can’t possibly happen here because the same government that used to carry out medical experiments on syphilis patients would never do something like that.

But in case the entirely impossible thing, which is slowly beginning to happen, happens, then the first people in line for the death panels will be men.

A government-funded “mortality index” study – which helps doctors determine whether a patient has a “good chance” of dying within the next 10 years – raises renewed concerns about health-care rationing under Obamacare.

The researchers say their 12-item index is mostly for use by doctors. It can help them decide whether costly health screenings or medical procedures are worth the risk for patients unlikely to live 10 more years.

The index provides doctors with 12 measures to assign points to an elderly patient. The lower the patient’s total points, the better his or her odds of survival. The highest score, 26 points, represents a 95-percent chance the patient will die within 10 years.

The index assigns all male subjects 2 points automatically because men on the average have a lower life expectancy than women, the study noted. Men and women aged between 60 and 64 get 1 point; ages 70 and 74 get 3 points, while 85 or over get 7 points.

Two points are further assigned in the following cases: Patients with a current or a previous cancer diagnosis, excluding minor skin cancers; lung disease impacting on physical activity or requiring oxygen; heart failure; smoking; difficulty bathing; difficulty managing money because of health or memory problems; difficulty walking several blocks. One point is assigned to those with diabetes or high blood sugar; difficulty pushing a large object; being thin or of abnormal weight.

So if you’re a man who has trouble pushing large objects, you get a ticket closer to the head of the line, as the system moves closer and closer to quantifying just who is worth saving and who isn’t.

Ezekiel Emanuel, Rahm’s brother and a White House advisor on health care, had some “for the good of the many” ideas.

“This civic republican or deliberative democratic conception of the good provides both procedural and substantive insights for developing a just allocation of health care resources.

Procedurally, it suggests the need for public forums to deliberate about which health services should be considered basic and should be socially guaranteed.

Substantively, it suggests services that promote the continuation of the polity-those that ensure healthy future generations, ensure development of practical reasoning skills, and ensure full and active participation by citizens in public deliberations-are to be socially guaranteed as basic.

Conversely, services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia.”

No death panels to see here. That’s just crazy talk.

  • RebeccaJean

    That last paragraph is particularly troubling. What of people of any age who have organic developmental disabilities. Or not even organic. What if someone has had some sort of traumatic brain injury that might hinder them in "becoming participating citizens."

    • Daniel Greenfield

      In the old Nazi phrasing, they become Life Unworthy of Life

      like fetuses

      • Elaine

        Daniel, you know they don't recognize fetuses as life; merely clumps of tissue. And abortion was, in fact, the first victory of the human-haters/people controllers in their process of conditioning people to make distinctions about the value and worth of humans. Just like the Nazis, we are becoming a society which does not value or respect human life and making it simply a commodity to be priced for value and worth as any other commody.

    • Elaine

      What do you think? It won't matter why or how one is not able to be a "participating citizen". You don't meet their criteria, you die.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "What do you think? It won't matter why or how one is not able to be a "participating citizen". You don't meet their criteria, you die."

        Under socialized medicine, you don't meet their criteria, you are on your own. When they "socialize" food, you'll die a lot quicker than that.

  • defcon 4

    I wonder if the qualification for being a "participating citizen" might not eventually include one's political beliefs or religious beliefs. I notice the AMA has nothing to say about this.

    • Hank Rearden

      You bet your a*s that is what it will mean. At the limit, two people, one a Dem, one a Repub, whose life is "more worthy?"

      Gotta win the next few elections and eject these Nazis before they get entrenched. This is not a scheme to PROVIDE us with health care. It is a scheme to DEPRIVE us of health care unless we qualify for it as a client group of the Dems.

      Sarah was right as rain and found the vocabulary to express it. That is why they hate her so much. She is the best of the best at making an argument which is why they try to pretend she is a ditz.

      • figment

        pretty self defeating.

        when all the conservatives are gone, who will they rob to feed their monster?

  • figment

    "Conversely, services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia.”

    and in this case, "health services" applies to food and water. Was listening to a radio program by a doctor and nurse and the directives are already circulating that dementia patients will NOT be given feeding tubes.

    And I guess there won't be any dilemma involved if a family member is involved in any type of accident that might alter their state of consciousness (coma) then. They will just be considered "dead weight" and terminated by refusal of basic necessities.

    and we consider ourselves an "enlightened society".

  • figment

    "difficulty managing money because of health or memory problems; "

    REALLY?

    who is going to determine WHY you are a poor money manager?

    this basically condemns more than half the country and all politicians as expendable. This would be funny if it weren't so horrifying

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "who is going to determine WHY you are a poor money manager? "

      If you're white and not rich and powerful enough to buy your way in to the Democratic Party good graces, you're a poor money manager.

  • pagegl

    And, if you're a well connected leftie, you start out with -10 points. /sarc

    • Rifleman

      No sarcasm needed, that's pretty much what they'll do. And something like $1000 to the DNC, -1 point. We'll also have hospitals for government VIPs, and their donators/bundlers, and hospitals for everyone else.

  • Mary Sue

    For a bunch of purported anti-nazis, this administration has sure taken a turn for the Fascist.

    • Ben Jabo

      Fear not, if you're of Obama's color you'll go straight to the end of the line

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "For a bunch of purported anti-nazis, this administration has sure taken a turn for the Fascist."

      "Anti Nazi" means we want to act like Nazis while disassociating ourselves from historical German Nazis of the mid 20th century.

  • Rifleman

    So, you're forced to pay for a health insurance policy that can't be denied because of a pre-existing conditions, but won't treat some of those conditions. Bait and switch.

    It also sounds like people who are mentally or physically disabled enough to require a guardian are to be denied health care.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "So, you're forced to pay for a health insurance policy that can't be denied because of a pre-existing conditions, but won't treat some of those conditions. Bait and switch. "

      Right. Because you'll have "insurance" but you won't have benefits.

  • Ar'nun

    I know 20 year olds who have "difficulty pushing a large object"…

    • old geezer

      they're pretty good at jerking and poking small objects though

  • Ozzy

    so first you don't want government health care then you don't want anyone denied it. do worry everybody this will not effect the job creators health care.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "so first you don't want government health care then you don't want anyone denied it."

      That's not a very intelligent statement. Maybe I misunderstood. If it's the only choice we have, you'd better provide it since you destroyed the alternatives. Get it?

      We don't care what the government provides, we care about what the government takes away. First clue is they can't provide anything until they take away things first, or at least promise to take things away to pay for those things they claim they will provide.

      It's about coercion when they have zero rights to do so.

      K?

  • poetcomic1

    Obamacare: "IS IT SAFE? IS IT SAFE?"

  • slhancock

    There is probably another category that will add points, regardless of the age: your political affiliation.

  • defcon 4

    One of my friends, who is Jewish, at one point had a muslim GP. This muslim GP gave him a written document summarizing his prescriptions that more than doubled the dosage prescribed him by his PharmD (the PharmD actually did tests to monitor his blood thinness factor) for his blood thinning medication. Fortunately, he was tested less than a week after his GP had given him this erroneous dosage. The PharmD was highly suspicious of the GP's dosing recommendations WRT his blood thinning medication, which would have killed my friend or sent him to the hospital if he had continued the regimen for a mere three more days. Obama's death panels would be the perfect cover for islamofascist medical professionals to carry out their jihad by legal means.

    • yes, and in fact,

      isn't the affordable care act already named after a jihadist?

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "isn't the affordable care act already named after a jihadist?"

        Unofficially yes.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "One of my friends, who is Jewish, at one point had a muslim GP. This muslim GP gave him a written document summarizing his prescriptions that more than doubled the dosage prescribed him by his PharmD (the PharmD actually did tests to monitor his blood thinness factor) for his blood thinning medication. Fortunately, he was tested less than a week after his GP had given him this erroneous dosage. The PharmD was highly suspicious of the GP's dosing recommendations WRT his blood thinning medication, which would have killed my friend or sent him to the hospital if he had continued the regimen for a mere three more days."

      Google: muslim medical oath islam

      In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
      Praise be to Allah, the Sustainer of His Creation, the All-Knowing.
      Glory be to Him, the Eternal, the All-Pervading.
      O Allah, Thou art the only Healer,
      I serve none but Thee, and, as the instrument of Thy Will, I commit myself to Thee.
      I render this Oath in Thy Holy name and I undertake:

      To be the instrument of Thy Will and Mercy, and, in all humbleness, to exercise justice, love and compassion for all Thy Creation;

      To extend my hand of service to one and all, to the rich and to the poor, to friend and foe alike, regardless of race, religion or colour;

      To hold human life as precious and sacred, and to protect and honour it at all times and under all circumstances in accordance with Thy Law;

      To do my utmost to alleviate pain and misery, and to comfort and counsel human beings in sickness and in anxiety;

      To respect the confidence and guard the secrets of all my patients;

      To maintain the dignity of health care, and to honour the teachers, students, and members of my profession;

      To strieve in the pursuit of knowledge in Thy name for the benefit of mankind, and to uphold human honour and dignity;

      To acquire the courage to admit my mistakes, mend my ways and to forgive the wrongs of others;

      To be ever-conscious of my duty to Allah and His Messenger (s.a.w) and to follow the precepts of Islam in private and in public.

      O Allah grant me the strength, patience and dedication to adhere to this Oath at all times.

      ————–

      "at all times and under all circumstances in accordance with Thy Law"

      They commit to sharia. That doesn't make all of them jihadis, but they don't take the same oath as most Western MDs. Sharia allows deception for the advancement of Islam. Killing any Jew can arguably advance Islam since the Jews are supposedly the ones who organize all resistance to sharia. Any non-muslim can be accused as part of the conspiracy.

      If facts mattered to them. they'd reject completely the suggestion to follow a moon god and or a rapist dry-land pirate.

      "Obama's death panels would be the perfect cover for islamofascist medical professionals to carry out their jihad by legal means."

      In accordance with their "medical oath."

  • Cat K

    I work with geriatric patients. New Medicare rules are coming out with more stringent rules for coverage for those with dementia. I suppose if you have lots of $ you could pay out of pocket but most can't. Rules will be followed because providers & facilities won't be paid otherwise. Forget that fake "war on women" this is is war on human beings who are older or disabled. Such people now designate how they wish to receive care (DNR or full care). It should be an individual &family decision.
    Death panels start with those who cannot easily object and go on to those who object too much (political) and finally to the rest of us.
    Michelle Obama's mother will be exempt.

    • Elaine

      Of course. We are regressing into a new form of barbarianism touted as compassion and care. If one will not willingly end their own life when they are no longer useful to the state, the state will enact laws and rules that ensure the extermination of the unworthy are carried out and the majority will defend that barbarianism because they have been conditioned to do so.

  • Elaine

    Anyone with a working brain can see it coming particularly since we know those on the left believe people are objects, commodities, or are of little use if they can't be conditioned to defend the collective. Since the life of the unborn can and is snuffed out by the whim of the mother, and the assisted-suicide proponents aren't giving up on their quest to make sure everyone believes killing themselves is noble, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know when the economy tanks or when the Obama board of "health care" experts find it impossible to pay for the care of anyone who can't produce a good for the state, they will happily exterminate them.

  • objectivefactsmatter

    "So if you’re a man who has trouble pushing large objects, you get a ticket closer to the head of the line, as the system moves closer and closer to quantifying just who is worth saving and who isn’t."

    It's a good thing we'll have socialized medicine because right now greedy capitalist pigs try to buy their way out of their medical problems. Hah. That will show them what true "social justice is."

    Social justice is getting back at people I envy and blame for my own problems.

  • Edward Cline

    "An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia.” I nominate Ezekiel Emanuel, his brother, the mayor of Chicago,Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi (she's realy aged, isn't she?), and anyone else who worked to get Obamacare passed, to be at the head of the death panel line, for every man Jack of them suffers from some form of dementia.

  • defcon 4

    A friend of mine who had an undergrad and graduate degree in mathematics called statistics the "whore of mathematics." The useful tools of our new fascist state will twist their statistics to fit any convenient lie.

  • Brujo Blanco

    It is more than obvious that government wants health care to be a priority that few can afford. Health care will drain the middle class of their money and therefore their power. This so called affordable will not be affordable. Also, these death panels as far as I am concerned is a license to kill. I was ill and on life support several years ago and my family was informed that I was going to die and they wanted to pull the life support and hasten my imminent death. I am still alive. This demonstrates that there are those in the medical world that will kill a patient now. Think what they would do wilth the force of law behind them. Obamacare will impact on the on our life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Think of all ourr money that will be put in government coffers and then into the pockets of the liberal elites.