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		<title>By: Anthony van Leeuwen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthony van Leeuwen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 04:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Check out my new blog: &lt;a href=&quot;http://fighttheplasticbagban.wordpress.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://fighttheplasticbagban.wordpress.com/&lt;/a&gt; 
 
On my blog I have a downloads menu item. If you click on that there are a number of papers that I have written that can be downloaded. 
 
One paper titled &#8220;Negative Health and Environmental Impacts of Reusable Shopping Bags&#8221; deals with the health issues more extensively than you did in the article above. For example, in addition to bacteria, viruses and virus transmission with reusable shopping bags could make other sick. Also, people who have AIDS or a suppressed immune system may be more sensitive to bacteria in reusable bags then people who have normal immune systems. About 20% of the population fit in this category. 
 
Also, when bag bans are implemented people always complain about all those plastic bags that end up in the landfill. But they have never stopped to calculate all the stuff going into a landfill after a plastic carryout bag ban compared to before. It would surprise you to know that 3.5 times the amount of material goes into the landfill post ban than pre ban. Those plastic carryout bags are sure looking good. see my article titled &#8220;Fact Sheet &#8211; Landfill Impacts&#8221; for the details and the calculations. 
 
There is much more. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out my new blog: <a href="http://fighttheplasticbagban.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://fighttheplasticbagban.wordpress.com/</a> </p>
<p>On my blog I have a downloads menu item. If you click on that there are a number of papers that I have written that can be downloaded. </p>
<p>One paper titled &ldquo;Negative Health and Environmental Impacts of Reusable Shopping Bags&rdquo; deals with the health issues more extensively than you did in the article above. For example, in addition to bacteria, viruses and virus transmission with reusable shopping bags could make other sick. Also, people who have AIDS or a suppressed immune system may be more sensitive to bacteria in reusable bags then people who have normal immune systems. About 20% of the population fit in this category. </p>
<p>Also, when bag bans are implemented people always complain about all those plastic bags that end up in the landfill. But they have never stopped to calculate all the stuff going into a landfill after a plastic carryout bag ban compared to before. It would surprise you to know that 3.5 times the amount of material goes into the landfill post ban than pre ban. Those plastic carryout bags are sure looking good. see my article titled &ldquo;Fact Sheet &ndash; Landfill Impacts&rdquo; for the details and the calculations. </p>
<p>There is much more. </p>
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		<title>By: @thailawforum</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 04:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Undoubtedly, plastic bag bans help the planet. But because of the carcinogenic chemicals in the plastic, the bans are also aiding our health. We&#039;re talking prostate cancer in men, breast cancer in women, and liver cancer in both from some of these chemicals: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thailawforum.com/doctors-warns-of-cancer-risk-from-styrofoam/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.thailawforum.com/doctors-warns-of-canc...&lt;/a&gt; ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Undoubtedly, plastic bag bans help the planet. But because of the carcinogenic chemicals in the plastic, the bans are also aiding our health. We&#039;re talking prostate cancer in men, breast cancer in women, and liver cancer in both from some of these chemicals: <a href="http://www.thailawforum.com/doctors-warns-of-cancer-risk-from-styrofoam/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.thailawforum.com/doctors-warns-of-canc" rel="nofollow">http://www.thailawforum.com/doctors-warns-of-canc</a>&#8230; </p>
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		<title>By: thomas_h</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thomas_h]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 17:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;There isn&#039;t a single environmental regulation or law that is intended to &quot;save lives.&quot; Every one of them is designed to save &quot;Mother Earth.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Great observation, E.C.!  
Needs to be repeated whenever occasion presents itself. Thank you, Edward ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&quot;There isn&#039;t a single environmental regulation or law that is intended to &quot;save lives.&quot; Every one of them is designed to save &quot;Mother Earth.&quot;</i> </p>
<p>Great observation, E.C.!<br />
Needs to be repeated whenever occasion presents itself. Thank you, Edward </p>
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		<title>By: figment newton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[figment newton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 13:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;&gt;&gt; Every one of them is designed to save &quot;Mother Earth.&quot; 
 
at the expense of productivity and cost control. BooYAh ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; Every one of them is designed to save &quot;Mother Earth.&quot; </p>
<p>at the expense of productivity and cost control. BooYAh </p>
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		<title>By: Cat K</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cat K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 13:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But how will people display their sanctimonious superiority without toting around those reusable bags? The rest of the outfit (sandals, earthen tones, whatever else is hip this year) and an Obama bumper sticker just are not enough anymore.  
Yes, E. coli is icky and it can make you &amp;your family sick - it can even kill.  But facts don&#039;t matter to some people - on any topic.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But how will people display their sanctimonious superiority without toting around those reusable bags? The rest of the outfit (sandals, earthen tones, whatever else is hip this year) and an Obama bumper sticker just are not enough anymore.<br />
Yes, E. coli is icky and it can make you &amp;your family sick &#8211; it can even kill.  But facts don&#039;t matter to some people &#8211; on any topic.  </p>
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		<title>By: figment newton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[figment newton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 12:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Sydney norovirus that has run rampant through the country this year is capable of remaining virulent on surfaces for WEEKS . How many times is  foodborn illness is blamed on other suspects ?  
 
I think environmentalists would just prefer we don&#039;t eat all, anymore.  
 
 
  
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Sydney norovirus that has run rampant through the country this year is capable of remaining virulent on surfaces for WEEKS . How many times is  foodborn illness is blamed on other suspects ?  </p>
<p>I think environmentalists would just prefer we don&#039;t eat all, anymore.  </p>
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		<title>By: Straight Thinker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Straight Thinker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 07:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry about the typ-o&#039;s. It&#039;s late. The other point I missed...all of the juices from foods that are being carried in these bags. Forget worrying about your kitchen counter and the spread of God-only-knows-what. The reuse-able bags, are in fact, the big problem if they are not used properly. And remember, it isn&#039;t just about deaths....it&#039;s about how many more folks get sick, hospitalized, or worse, not including dying from these avoidable issues. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the typ-o&#039;s. It&#039;s late. The other point I missed&#8230;all of the juices from foods that are being carried in these bags. Forget worrying about your kitchen counter and the spread of God-only-knows-what. The reuse-able bags, are in fact, the big problem if they are not used properly. And remember, it isn&#039;t just about deaths&#8230;.it&#039;s about how many more folks get sick, hospitalized, or worse, not including dying from these avoidable issues. </p>
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		<title>By: Straight Thinker</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/national-plastic-bag-ban-would-kill-1380-people/comment-page-1/#comment-4244490</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Straight Thinker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 07:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MerBlue, the item you are missing that, yes, was not clearly stated in the article is that the use-able bags must be washed regularly to kill or lessen the chance of food-borne illnesses. Cutting directly to the chase...why do so many grocery stores provide the hand sanitizer wipes for wiping down the shopping carts? It&#039;s because they know so many people are using them and the sharing or germs is easily done through this type of casual contact.  Now move onto the reuse-able shopping bag. Even if you have your own sanitized check out line each and every time you go through the stores lines, you are dropping your reuse-able bag into the cart someone else had placed food into. Or the cans for recycling that were leaking and had been sitting out next to the garage all summer while they were being collected.  The point is, how often do people think to wash and clean their bags? Not often according to a few studies (sorry, I can&#039;t cite one specifically this late at night off the top of my head).  The fact is, those bags get set down everywhere. The single use bags are, in fact, safer for the user. For a greater part of the mid-20th century there were studies on how to safely package food so germs would not pass fomr one person to another easily. One of the many creations was the &quot;single use bags&quot;, carton, and soda cups. Now, the environmental folks just want to ban them outright without looking at the deeper issue...overall HUMAN safety. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MerBlue, the item you are missing that, yes, was not clearly stated in the article is that the use-able bags must be washed regularly to kill or lessen the chance of food-borne illnesses. Cutting directly to the chase&#8230;why do so many grocery stores provide the hand sanitizer wipes for wiping down the shopping carts? It&#039;s because they know so many people are using them and the sharing or germs is easily done through this type of casual contact.  Now move onto the reuse-able shopping bag. Even if you have your own sanitized check out line each and every time you go through the stores lines, you are dropping your reuse-able bag into the cart someone else had placed food into. Or the cans for recycling that were leaking and had been sitting out next to the garage all summer while they were being collected.  The point is, how often do people think to wash and clean their bags? Not often according to a few studies (sorry, I can&#039;t cite one specifically this late at night off the top of my head).  The fact is, those bags get set down everywhere. The single use bags are, in fact, safer for the user. For a greater part of the mid-20th century there were studies on how to safely package food so germs would not pass fomr one person to another easily. One of the many creations was the &quot;single use bags&quot;, carton, and soda cups. Now, the environmental folks just want to ban them outright without looking at the deeper issue&#8230;overall HUMAN safety. </p>
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		<title>By: @MerBleue2050</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[@MerBleue2050]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 06:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First, environmentalists have nothing to do with this study, which is likely paid for by the plastics industry. 
 
Second, correlation does not imply causation. Who is to say that ANY of those people hospitalized or those who died even used a reusable bag??  Paper bags were (and still are) still available. The numbers in the study are really, really small - they could have all gotten sick due to one outbreak, from spinach or lettuce or some bad chicken. Plus, when these bans are implemented, stores, local governments and NGO&#039;s hand out thousands of free, reusable bags. The reusable bags being used in those first few months are probably the cleanest bags ever.   
 
I&#039;m not buying the reusable bag connection to illness. Plastic bags are banned, and have been, all over the world - in Bangladesh, in many African nations, in over 50 cities in CA alone. Ireland and DC have plastic bag fees, which have greatly increased the number of people using reusable bags. Believe me, we are not all dying of foodborne illness. 
 
Also, It is a good idea to always, always wash your produce. There is more than just potentially bacteria on that produce, there are also herbicides and pesticides. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, environmentalists have nothing to do with this study, which is likely paid for by the plastics industry. </p>
<p>Second, correlation does not imply causation. Who is to say that ANY of those people hospitalized or those who died even used a reusable bag??  Paper bags were (and still are) still available. The numbers in the study are really, really small &#8211; they could have all gotten sick due to one outbreak, from spinach or lettuce or some bad chicken. Plus, when these bans are implemented, stores, local governments and NGO&#039;s hand out thousands of free, reusable bags. The reusable bags being used in those first few months are probably the cleanest bags ever.   </p>
<p>I&#039;m not buying the reusable bag connection to illness. Plastic bags are banned, and have been, all over the world &#8211; in Bangladesh, in many African nations, in over 50 cities in CA alone. Ireland and DC have plastic bag fees, which have greatly increased the number of people using reusable bags. Believe me, we are not all dying of foodborne illness. </p>
<p>Also, It is a good idea to always, always wash your produce. There is more than just potentially bacteria on that produce, there are also herbicides and pesticides. </p>
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		<title>By: Ziggy Zoggy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ziggy Zoggy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 04:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Prehistoric men would probably have eaten any environmentalists. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prehistoric men would probably have eaten any environmentalists. </p>
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		<title>By: Edward Cline</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward Cline]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 04:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who ever started the rumor that environmentalists wanted to &quot;save lives&quot;? There isn&#039;t a single environmental regulation or law that is intended to &quot;save lives.&quot; Every one of them is designed to save &quot;Mother Earth.&quot; Had environmentalists been around in prehistoric times, fire would have been deemed a pollutant and agriculture would have been damned as altering nature&#039;s course. Luckily for us, prehistoric men would have &quot;martyred&quot; the first environmentalist who dared lecture them.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who ever started the rumor that environmentalists wanted to &quot;save lives&quot;? There isn&#039;t a single environmental regulation or law that is intended to &quot;save lives.&quot; Every one of them is designed to save &quot;Mother Earth.&quot; Had environmentalists been around in prehistoric times, fire would have been deemed a pollutant and agriculture would have been damned as altering nature&#039;s course. Luckily for us, prehistoric men would have &quot;martyred&quot; the first environmentalist who dared lecture them.  </p>
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		<title>By: Mary Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Sue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 03:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[we use shopping bags (the plastic ones) as garbage bags, to line our trash with.  So they get thrown out after each use. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we use shopping bags (the plastic ones) as garbage bags, to line our trash with.  So they get thrown out after each use. </p>
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		<title>By: JacksonPearson</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/national-plastic-bag-ban-would-kill-1380-people/comment-page-1/#comment-4243814</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JacksonPearson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 03:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Me thinks, environmentalists have to much idle time on their hands. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me thinks, environmentalists have to much idle time on their hands. </p>
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		<title>By: elle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[elle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 01:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Crazy, I&#039;ve been re-using bags all my life... Never thought of this...  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crazy, I&#039;ve been re-using bags all my life&#8230; Never thought of this&#8230;  </p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 01:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;They then run through a cost-benefit analysis...&quot; 
 
Collectivism justified by &quot;greater good arguments&quot; always ends in death and destruction.  
 
And I would like to also point out the opportunities they have to use more junk science to render their analysis completely useless. There&#039;s more death and destruction and very little if any of that elusive real world benefit they&#039;re chasing. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;They then run through a cost-benefit analysis&#8230;&quot; </p>
<p>Collectivism justified by &quot;greater good arguments&quot; always ends in death and destruction.  </p>
<p>And I would like to also point out the opportunities they have to use more junk science to render their analysis completely useless. There&#039;s more death and destruction and very little if any of that elusive real world benefit they&#039;re chasing. </p>
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