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		<title>By: Nixys</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 17:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also think Islam and democracy are incompatible.
The other options is that the Christian West ceases to be Christian at all. This is likely in Europe. I do not know how I feel about it. Usually, racism springs up in its place. “Scientific utopianism” or “Darwinism” or “Communism” or “Fascism” or even a revival of brutal Germanic/Norse/Roman paganism. Will the world be better off if that’s what comes out of Europe instead of Christianity? No. I think likely not. I think it very likely Christianity was the only thing holding Europe together in the first place. (Yes, even with the squabbles and the fighting) – an identity crisis without a shared past is to me, even worse. There is Christendom, and there is the secular pagan Roman Empire (which fell) and that’s it. All the other models of empire sucked and killed lots of people, too. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also think Islam and democracy are incompatible.<br />
The other options is that the Christian West ceases to be Christian at all. This is likely in Europe. I do not know how I feel about it. Usually, racism springs up in its place. “Scientific utopianism” or “Darwinism” or “Communism” or “Fascism” or even a revival of brutal Germanic/Norse/Roman paganism. Will the world be better off if that’s what comes out of Europe instead of Christianity? No. I think likely not. I think it very likely Christianity was the only thing holding Europe together in the first place. (Yes, even with the squabbles and the fighting) – an identity crisis without a shared past is to me, even worse. There is Christendom, and there is the secular pagan Roman Empire (which fell) and that’s it. All the other models of empire sucked and killed lots of people, too. </p>
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		<title>By: Nixys</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nixys]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 17:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I mean, listen, am I saying “bring back the crusades, kill all the non-Christians indiscriminately, bring back theocracy”? Goodness no. I am not saying that. I am saying, “Convert people to Christianity peacefully. Defend it. Defend the West in words. Realize what you owe to it. Wake up a little more. Be a little more enthusiastic about your own values, your own civilization and where it comes from and what it has given you. Say it openly.” In Britain, people are starting to do this, because they have true democracy to lose – Europe has not! Europe will revert to tribalism and barbarism because they don’t really care about democracy, they’ve only had it half a century. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean, listen, am I saying “bring back the crusades, kill all the non-Christians indiscriminately, bring back theocracy”? Goodness no. I am not saying that. I am saying, “Convert people to Christianity peacefully. Defend it. Defend the West in words. Realize what you owe to it. Wake up a little more. Be a little more enthusiastic about your own values, your own civilization and where it comes from and what it has given you. Say it openly.” In Britain, people are starting to do this, because they have true democracy to lose – Europe has not! Europe will revert to tribalism and barbarism because they don’t really care about democracy, they’ve only had it half a century. </p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 17:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Always for the “weak” – but I think Muslims are maybe not the “weak” in the way we think they are. Morally, spiritually- sure. But they can actually do a hell of a lot of damage- it only takes one jihadist to hurt a lot of people. This is why it is urgent that Christians start being a little tougher. And people in the West who have forgotten that they owe anything to Christianity, but still feel the cultural sense of guilt and justice for the weak, that I think, does in fact come from Christianity.  I do think Islam, plus science, could pose an existential threat to the West. 
I also think Islam and democracy are incompatible.
I mean, listen, am I saying “bring back the crusades, kill all the non-Christians indiscriminately, bring back theocracy”? Goodness no. I am not saying that. I am saying, “Convert people to Christianity peacefully. Defend it. Defend the West in words. Realize what you owe to it. Wake up a little more. Be a little more enthusiastic about your own values, your own civilization and where it comes from and what it has given you. Say it openly.” In Britain, people are starting to do this, because they have true democracy to lose – Europe has not! Europe will revert to tribalism and barbarism because they don’t really care about democracy, they’ve only had it half a century. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Always for the “weak” – but I think Muslims are maybe not the “weak” in the way we think they are. Morally, spiritually- sure. But they can actually do a hell of a lot of damage- it only takes one jihadist to hurt a lot of people. This is why it is urgent that Christians start being a little tougher. And people in the West who have forgotten that they owe anything to Christianity, but still feel the cultural sense of guilt and justice for the weak, that I think, does in fact come from Christianity.  I do think Islam, plus science, could pose an existential threat to the West.<br />
I also think Islam and democracy are incompatible.<br />
I mean, listen, am I saying “bring back the crusades, kill all the non-Christians indiscriminately, bring back theocracy”? Goodness no. I am not saying that. I am saying, “Convert people to Christianity peacefully. Defend it. Defend the West in words. Realize what you owe to it. Wake up a little more. Be a little more enthusiastic about your own values, your own civilization and where it comes from and what it has given you. Say it openly.” In Britain, people are starting to do this, because they have true democracy to lose – Europe has not! Europe will revert to tribalism and barbarism because they don’t really care about democracy, they’ve only had it half a century. </p>
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		<title>By: Nixys</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nixys]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 16:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I mean, I used to be Christian. Really, really new age love everyone Protestant Christian. And I was a better person than I am now. I was a huge pushover. I was way too nice. As an atheist, I’m much more of an asshole. It’s honestly almost unfair. So when I see people being assholes to Christians, it makes me cringe. It makes me want to protect them. Because I was instilled with that instinct to guilt, to protect the weak. It hasn’t gone away. It will never go away. It was too engrained. “The meek shall inherit the earth.” And when I see Christians sticking up for Muslims, I know they’re feeling it too- the Christian guilt. “Love your enemy.” “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean, I used to be Christian. Really, really new age love everyone Protestant Christian. And I was a better person than I am now. I was a huge pushover. I was way too nice. As an atheist, I’m much more of an asshole. It’s honestly almost unfair. So when I see people being assholes to Christians, it makes me cringe. It makes me want to protect them. Because I was instilled with that instinct to guilt, to protect the weak. It hasn’t gone away. It will never go away. It was too engrained. “The meek shall inherit the earth.” And when I see Christians sticking up for Muslims, I know they’re feeling it too- the Christian guilt. “Love your enemy.” “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” </p>
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		<title>By: Nixys</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nixys]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 16:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That’s not a case of mental illness, just annoyance. Already there’s a difference there. Statistically, over time, that will add up to a big difference. 
The difference is that the Christian is being un-Christian when he lashes out. The Muslim is not being un-Islamic. Prove to me that they would be being un-Islamic in that instance.
The word “Christian” is LITERALLY SYNONYMOUS in some old-timey literary works with “kind.”
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s not a case of mental illness, just annoyance. Already there’s a difference there. Statistically, over time, that will add up to a big difference.<br />
The difference is that the Christian is being un-Christian when he lashes out. The Muslim is not being un-Islamic. Prove to me that they would be being un-Islamic in that instance.<br />
The word “Christian” is LITERALLY SYNONYMOUS in some old-timey literary works with “kind.”</p>
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		<title>By: Nixys</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nixys]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 16:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another huge thing is Jesus was big on accepting criticism, or at least not rebutting it with violence. Mohammad was pretty big on not accepting any criticism, ever.
So, I come back to “Muslims would live better lives as Christians” – both materially and emotionally. Or even “Muslims would live better lives as Roman pagans!”
A lot of people think they can have their own Islamic enlightenment and scientific revolution. I used to be one of them. Now I think Islam can’t be reformed. If you disagree, prove to me that it can.
Almost no one would argue that Islam is fine as is unchangingly for all time, and even the most extreme sects are just fine and dandy. Almost everyone will at least admit that some strains of what they call “extreme or fundamental” Islam should be stamped out. I just go further and say the whole religion should. I just don’t think Islam itself can really be reformed. Not without backtracking and resurgence to extremist interpretations of the Qur’an every now and again.
Another thing is, when I say Islam is violent I don’t just mean suicide bombers. You say people must be unhappy or mentally ill to do terribly things like kill their children or blow up other people’s children. Okay, maybe you’re right. I don’t really think you are, but let’s put that aside for the moment. Do people have to be deeply unhappy or mentally ill to be angry at a cartoon of Muhammad? Those can be pretty ordinary people. It’s natural to be defensive if you’re criticized. The difference is a Christian thinks to him/herself, “I must turn the other cheek, I must let this go.” (Or sometimes they write an angry letter to the editor and try to sue, sure. In extreme cases, they might attack or threaten, but I don’t know of many.) A Muslim might think that…or they might think, “Those who mock the prophet are blasphemers and the prophet said we must put a stop to it and defend his honor with intimidation.” 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another huge thing is Jesus was big on accepting criticism, or at least not rebutting it with violence. Mohammad was pretty big on not accepting any criticism, ever.<br />
So, I come back to “Muslims would live better lives as Christians” – both materially and emotionally. Or even “Muslims would live better lives as Roman pagans!”<br />
A lot of people think they can have their own Islamic enlightenment and scientific revolution. I used to be one of them. Now I think Islam can’t be reformed. If you disagree, prove to me that it can.<br />
Almost no one would argue that Islam is fine as is unchangingly for all time, and even the most extreme sects are just fine and dandy. Almost everyone will at least admit that some strains of what they call “extreme or fundamental” Islam should be stamped out. I just go further and say the whole religion should. I just don’t think Islam itself can really be reformed. Not without backtracking and resurgence to extremist interpretations of the Qur’an every now and again.<br />
Another thing is, when I say Islam is violent I don’t just mean suicide bombers. You say people must be unhappy or mentally ill to do terribly things like kill their children or blow up other people’s children. Okay, maybe you’re right. I don’t really think you are, but let’s put that aside for the moment. Do people have to be deeply unhappy or mentally ill to be angry at a cartoon of Muhammad? Those can be pretty ordinary people. It’s natural to be defensive if you’re criticized. The difference is a Christian thinks to him/herself, “I must turn the other cheek, I must let this go.” (Or sometimes they write an angry letter to the editor and try to sue, sure. In extreme cases, they might attack or threaten, but I don’t know of many.) A Muslim might think that…or they might think, “Those who mock the prophet are blasphemers and the prophet said we must put a stop to it and defend his honor with intimidation.” </p>
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		<title>By: Nixys</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nixys]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 16:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, one last try to post this gigantic text:

Here, let’s switch this around for a moment. One of my main beliefs and moral arguments is this: I believe Muslims would live better lives as Christians. Please argue against this and tell me why you don’t believe this is so. Unless you do believe this is so?
I believe they would live better lives if they had more money and less poverty. 
I asked myself, “Why do they have poverty?”
I answered, “Most people everywhere started out with poverty. Poverty is relative.”
I asked myself, “Why do we not have poverty?”
My conclusion was that we had the enlightenment and the scientific revolution.
They need one, I thought.
Then I asked myself, “Why did we have the enlightenment and the scientific revolution?”
My conclusion was that we had separation of church and state.
Then I asked myself, “Why did we have separation of church and state?”
My conclusion was that Christianity was a small sect during the days of the Roman Empire, and Jesus said, “Render unto Caesar’s that which is Caesar’s and unto God that which is God’s.”
Mohammed never said anything like this. He talked about sharia law.
Jesus did say this. He was accused many times of subverting the state, but in the end he really didn’t seem that keen on it at all.
I do not discount the huge, gigantic impact this had on the restoration of secular civilization to Christian cultures.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, one last try to post this gigantic text:</p>
<p>Here, let’s switch this around for a moment. One of my main beliefs and moral arguments is this: I believe Muslims would live better lives as Christians. Please argue against this and tell me why you don’t believe this is so. Unless you do believe this is so?<br />
I believe they would live better lives if they had more money and less poverty.<br />
I asked myself, “Why do they have poverty?”<br />
I answered, “Most people everywhere started out with poverty. Poverty is relative.”<br />
I asked myself, “Why do we not have poverty?”<br />
My conclusion was that we had the enlightenment and the scientific revolution.<br />
They need one, I thought.<br />
Then I asked myself, “Why did we have the enlightenment and the scientific revolution?”<br />
My conclusion was that we had separation of church and state.<br />
Then I asked myself, “Why did we have separation of church and state?”<br />
My conclusion was that Christianity was a small sect during the days of the Roman Empire, and Jesus said, “Render unto Caesar’s that which is Caesar’s and unto God that which is God’s.”<br />
Mohammed never said anything like this. He talked about sharia law.<br />
Jesus did say this. He was accused many times of subverting the state, but in the end he really didn’t seem that keen on it at all.<br />
I do not discount the huge, gigantic impact this had on the restoration of secular civilization to Christian cultures.</p>
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		<title>By: hiernonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 16:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;But you asked what made me think that, not if I was right in thinking that.&quot;
 
No, I think you read my last post as being argumentative when it was not intended so.  I was just trying to understand, and you&#039;ve clarified nicely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But you asked what made me think that, not if I was right in thinking that.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, I think you read my last post as being argumentative when it was not intended so.  I was just trying to understand, and you&#8217;ve clarified nicely.</p>
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		<title>By: Nixys</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nixys]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 15:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, that&#039;s not a pretty fair summary of my post. You asked me &quot;what made me think you were a dedicated leftist&quot; so I answered you. That post was reminiscent of posts I have seen many on the left make, and not many on the right.

What &quot;left-wing&quot; is to me has nothing to do with that. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, that&#8217;s not a pretty fair summary of my post. You asked me &#8220;what made me think you were a dedicated leftist&#8221; so I answered you. That post was reminiscent of posts I have seen many on the left make, and not many on the right.</p>
<p>What &#8220;left-wing&#8221; is to me has nothing to do with that. </p>
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		<title>By: Nixys</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nixys]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 15:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, that&#039;s not a pretty fair summary of my post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, that&#8217;s not a pretty fair summary of my post.</p>
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		<title>By: hiernonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hiernonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 15:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, to you, &quot;left-wing&quot; is not so much a position on economic organization or individual liberties as much as it is a style, an approach to conversation?  You associate pedantry and argumentativeness with the left, so when someone displays those characteristics, you associate them with this left.  Is that a pretty fair summary of your post?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, to you, &#8220;left-wing&#8221; is not so much a position on economic organization or individual liberties as much as it is a style, an approach to conversation?  You associate pedantry and argumentativeness with the left, so when someone displays those characteristics, you associate them with this left.  Is that a pretty fair summary of your post?</p>
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		<title>By: Nixys</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nixys]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 14:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Forgive my smartarsery, but it was mostly your &quot;appeal to authority&quot; in this post:

&quot;Really? How do you define Fascism? What distinguishes &quot;right&quot; from &quot;left&quot; in your mind? What characteristics of Fascism lead you to conclude that generations of economists, social scientists, politicians, and historians have been getting it wrong?

It&#039;s possible that you have some sound reasons for bucking the traditional definitions, but they&#039;d need to run deeper than a stubborn conviction that &quot;fascism is bad, and all things bad are &#039;left wing.&#039;&quot;

And just to anticipate your reply, because you do seem the the type: There are notable economists and historians who disagree with what you see as &quot;generations of consensus.&quot; Left-wing and right-wing are already arbitrary classifications to an extent, which to me makes them somewhat useless and over-politicized by their very nature, and there are other ways to classify political philosophies. I think it&#039;s true that &quot;left-wing&quot; and &quot;right-wing&quot; means different things in Europe and Britain, or Europe and America, for instance. It begins to become somewhat blurred and useless when you include both republicanism and monarchy on the side of &quot;right-wing.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive my smartarsery, but it was mostly your &#8220;appeal to authority&#8221; in this post:</p>
<p>&#8220;Really? How do you define Fascism? What distinguishes &#8220;right&#8221; from &#8220;left&#8221; in your mind? What characteristics of Fascism lead you to conclude that generations of economists, social scientists, politicians, and historians have been getting it wrong?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible that you have some sound reasons for bucking the traditional definitions, but they&#8217;d need to run deeper than a stubborn conviction that &#8220;fascism is bad, and all things bad are &#8216;left wing.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>And just to anticipate your reply, because you do seem the the type: There are notable economists and historians who disagree with what you see as &#8220;generations of consensus.&#8221; Left-wing and right-wing are already arbitrary classifications to an extent, which to me makes them somewhat useless and over-politicized by their very nature, and there are other ways to classify political philosophies. I think it&#8217;s true that &#8220;left-wing&#8221; and &#8220;right-wing&#8221; means different things in Europe and Britain, or Europe and America, for instance. It begins to become somewhat blurred and useless when you include both republicanism and monarchy on the side of &#8220;right-wing.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: hiernonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 05:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve had that happen.  As a rule, if I know I&#039;m going to type up a longer response, I now do it in wordpad and paste into disqus so I don&#039;t lose my response.

Regards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had that happen.  As a rule, if I know I&#8217;m going to type up a longer response, I now do it in wordpad and paste into disqus so I don&#8217;t lose my response.</p>
<p>Regards.</p>
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		<title>By: hiernonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 05:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;... and it seems to me that you&#039;re a dedicated leftist.&quot;
 
Why does it seem that way to you?  I&#039;m actually curious.  I don&#039;t recall expressing many strong opinions on matters that are traditionally &quot;left-right&quot; issues.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; and it seems to me that you&#8217;re a dedicated leftist.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why does it seem that way to you?  I&#8217;m actually curious.  I don&#8217;t recall expressing many strong opinions on matters that are traditionally &#8220;left-right&#8221; issues.  </p>
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		<title>By: Nixys</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nixys]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 00:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“If you are engaging in a conversation and are too lazy, self-absorbed, or &#039;busy&#039; to take the time to read a short post with an honest effort at full comprehension, why would anyone believe that, as you offer your sweeping opinions of an old and complex religion and society, you&#039;ve taken a greater level of care to understand what you are commenting on and responding to?”

False analogy. How are they equivalent? Is it a direct correlation? If someone is an expert at nuclear physics, must they also be one at, I don’t know, Latin? And if they get impatient with someone else who they believe is disingenuous in an argument, why would that imply they don’t know what they’re talking about? Their specific POINTS should or should not. This is really yet more personal irrelevance.

“And you wonder that someone might see you as an entitled brat?”

When have I ever wondered this? Have I ever suggested that it shocks me that someone might see me that way? It does not whatsoever, I merely don’t care.

“You really need to ask why you owe a conversational partner the courtesy of reading and trying to understand his responses?”

Yes. It’s the internet. No one owes you anything. Hell, in life, no one owes you anything. You’ll probably feel a lot better once you realize that, but again, it’s no skin off my nose.
“I do. I have. You then complain that I&#039;m not &#039;admitting&#039; that there might be points of agreement. Are you starting to see the disconnect?”
You have not to my satisfaction, and you’ve spent far more time criticizing me personally or my “style” which I think is a boring waste of time. You can hate me and my style, that’s fine with me. I am an entitled brat. Yay! Wow, my feelings are so safe. It’s okay. I just want a genuine discussion about the points we’re going to be bringing up here, okay?
“That was one of your &#039;actual points.&#039; It was the explicit lead sentence of your post.”
Okay, actual points about Islam and Christianity, from now on, deal?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“If you are engaging in a conversation and are too lazy, self-absorbed, or &#8216;busy&#8217; to take the time to read a short post with an honest effort at full comprehension, why would anyone believe that, as you offer your sweeping opinions of an old and complex religion and society, you&#8217;ve taken a greater level of care to understand what you are commenting on and responding to?”</p>
<p>False analogy. How are they equivalent? Is it a direct correlation? If someone is an expert at nuclear physics, must they also be one at, I don’t know, Latin? And if they get impatient with someone else who they believe is disingenuous in an argument, why would that imply they don’t know what they’re talking about? Their specific POINTS should or should not. This is really yet more personal irrelevance.</p>
<p>“And you wonder that someone might see you as an entitled brat?”</p>
<p>When have I ever wondered this? Have I ever suggested that it shocks me that someone might see me that way? It does not whatsoever, I merely don’t care.</p>
<p>“You really need to ask why you owe a conversational partner the courtesy of reading and trying to understand his responses?”</p>
<p>Yes. It’s the internet. No one owes you anything. Hell, in life, no one owes you anything. You’ll probably feel a lot better once you realize that, but again, it’s no skin off my nose.<br />
“I do. I have. You then complain that I&#8217;m not &#8216;admitting&#8217; that there might be points of agreement. Are you starting to see the disconnect?”<br />
You have not to my satisfaction, and you’ve spent far more time criticizing me personally or my “style” which I think is a boring waste of time. You can hate me and my style, that’s fine with me. I am an entitled brat. Yay! Wow, my feelings are so safe. It’s okay. I just want a genuine discussion about the points we’re going to be bringing up here, okay?<br />
“That was one of your &#8216;actual points.&#8217; It was the explicit lead sentence of your post.”<br />
Okay, actual points about Islam and Christianity, from now on, deal?</p>
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		<title>By: Nixys</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nixys]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 00:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“Argument from authority&quot; is a specific informal fallacy in logic, not an emotional complaint about you being bossy.”
I’m well aware of that. I’m know the whole list.
“I am pointing out that you are not, in fact, particularly exceptional, in precisely that statistical sense. Would this be a good time to point out that careful reading the first time through might have left you feeling less bruised about this matter right now?”
I’m not feeling bruised. I will, in a moment, point out to you, using real statistics, how exceptional or not I am for abandoning my religion. It’s a complicated question, I’ve participated in research on it. There is a trend towards greater irreligiousity these days amongst American youth in my cohort yes. But why is that relevant? Must we labor this point at all? I mean, if you want to argue that MORE young people of my cohort than not abandon their religion, that is factually and statistically wrong, but I’ll pretend it’s true if you want, because it’s totally irrelevant to the broader point I was making.

“Actually, you just confirmed my comment. I noted that your approach seemed &quot;unbalanced,&quot; and you just confirmed that Islam is your particular target. Unless you don&#039;t understand what &quot;imbalanced&quot; means, it&#039;s not clear how my comment suggests a misreading of your position.”
Okay, yes, Islam is my particular target. Granted, yes.

“Fanatical&quot; carries an additional connotation of closed to dispute or reason.”
If that were true, why would I be here still arguing with you? I’m interested in the truth. You have not convinced me you have the monopoly on the truth in this argument so far. 
“Wait a moment - you now want to abandon the approach that we need to determine which is worst and try to eliminate that? When it comes to large numbers of people, you want to identify what you consider the worst offender and deal with that &#039;ruthlessly,&#039; but when you personally are involved, well, hey, it doesn&#039;t matter who started it and who&#039;s worse, we&#039;re all just people, right?”
When did I suggest we needed to abandon that argument? I actually do think you’ve been by far the worst in that regard. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Argument from authority&#8221; is a specific informal fallacy in logic, not an emotional complaint about you being bossy.”<br />
I’m well aware of that. I’m know the whole list.<br />
“I am pointing out that you are not, in fact, particularly exceptional, in precisely that statistical sense. Would this be a good time to point out that careful reading the first time through might have left you feeling less bruised about this matter right now?”<br />
I’m not feeling bruised. I will, in a moment, point out to you, using real statistics, how exceptional or not I am for abandoning my religion. It’s a complicated question, I’ve participated in research on it. There is a trend towards greater irreligiousity these days amongst American youth in my cohort yes. But why is that relevant? Must we labor this point at all? I mean, if you want to argue that MORE young people of my cohort than not abandon their religion, that is factually and statistically wrong, but I’ll pretend it’s true if you want, because it’s totally irrelevant to the broader point I was making.</p>
<p>“Actually, you just confirmed my comment. I noted that your approach seemed &#8220;unbalanced,&#8221; and you just confirmed that Islam is your particular target. Unless you don&#8217;t understand what &#8220;imbalanced&#8221; means, it&#8217;s not clear how my comment suggests a misreading of your position.”<br />
Okay, yes, Islam is my particular target. Granted, yes.</p>
<p>“Fanatical&#8221; carries an additional connotation of closed to dispute or reason.”<br />
If that were true, why would I be here still arguing with you? I’m interested in the truth. You have not convinced me you have the monopoly on the truth in this argument so far.<br />
“Wait a moment &#8211; you now want to abandon the approach that we need to determine which is worst and try to eliminate that? When it comes to large numbers of people, you want to identify what you consider the worst offender and deal with that &#8216;ruthlessly,&#8217; but when you personally are involved, well, hey, it doesn&#8217;t matter who started it and who&#8217;s worse, we&#8217;re all just people, right?”<br />
When did I suggest we needed to abandon that argument? I actually do think you’ve been by far the worst in that regard. </p>
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		<title>By: Nixys</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nixys]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 00:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, one last point- before I go- I&#039;ve read a bit of your posting history, and it seems to me that you&#039;re a dedicated leftist. Please don&#039;t take this the wrong way- I don&#039;t want to make assumptions about you- and I realize this will probably sound condescending. But do consider, and I mean this sincerely, since I&#039;m not really a &quot;rightist&quot; or a &quot;conservative&quot; myself, more like an &quot;apostate from the left&quot;- do consider that a lot of leftists have also agreed with me about Islam. If you won&#039;t hear it from me, perhaps you would hear it from them.

If I&#039;m wrong, disregard this. But I just want to state that there is a very vocal criticism from Islam from the left, not just the right, and you might want to consider that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, one last point- before I go- I&#8217;ve read a bit of your posting history, and it seems to me that you&#8217;re a dedicated leftist. Please don&#8217;t take this the wrong way- I don&#8217;t want to make assumptions about you- and I realize this will probably sound condescending. But do consider, and I mean this sincerely, since I&#8217;m not really a &#8220;rightist&#8221; or a &#8220;conservative&#8221; myself, more like an &#8220;apostate from the left&#8221;- do consider that a lot of leftists have also agreed with me about Islam. If you won&#8217;t hear it from me, perhaps you would hear it from them.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m wrong, disregard this. But I just want to state that there is a very vocal criticism from Islam from the left, not just the right, and you might want to consider that.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Dec 2013 23:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, I typed a very long reply, somehow it disappeared, so let&#039;s just call it quits eh?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I typed a very long reply, somehow it disappeared, so let&#8217;s just call it quits eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Nixys</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nixys]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Dec 2013 23:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Typed up a really long reply and it disappeared. So I&#039;m just going to say, let&#039;s call it quits. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typed up a really long reply and it disappeared. So I&#8217;m just going to say, let&#8217;s call it quits. </p>
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		<title>By: Nixys</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nixys]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Dec 2013 22:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“You&#039;re not reading carefully - again. I never suggested you owed me a particular kind of tone; I suggested that the tone you selected was odd for the ostensible goal.”
____Fine. Could I ask you to try not make irrelevant points that don’t really pertain to our discussion of Islam and Christianity? It’s rather superfluous, long, and tiring that you’re running a constant dialogue of meta-criticism about everything else I type and why.

“ Primarily because this isn&#039;t a therapy session, and my posts were not about exploring our relationship and your desire for validation and approval. Since that seems important to you and you bring it up, here you go: I&#039;ll bet we could find some things to agree about.”
____It’s not about validation or approval to me, it’s about TRUTH. Logic, yes? Points of agreement? This what you establish when you have a logical argument, no? Whatever. I promise you I’m not really motivated by narcissism as much as genuine belief in the truth of the logical of what I’m saying, okay?

“ When you offer someone permission to do something, implicit in that offer is the intimation that one could have chosen or could choose not to grant such permission.”
____That’s not what I meant to imply. What I meant to imply is that I am AWARE that you may choose not to answer, and I genuinely don’t care. I was trying to give you an out. I was saying, “I understand you are going to do whatever you want and that’s just the truth of the situation. I’m just letting you know that I understand that.”
“I&#039;m always free not to answer your questions.”
_____Okay, you added a word. I actually pretty much meant “always” implicitly in what I originally said. Sorry I didn’t clarify that absolutely. Glad we cleared it up. 
“Yes, you&#039;ll forgive me if I don&#039;t model my conversational style after yours. It&#039;s not so much a matter of stupid pride as avoiding side-excursions into non-sequiturs. If you like, there is stupidity involved, but not in the way you mean.”
_____Okay, well, it’s amazing to me that you think you’re avoiding non-sequitors. I don’t have time to write a novel; I have a life. Forgive me for trying to simplify and streamline the damn arguments and not nitpick over ever last word!

“As there are no magic wands, I&#039;m not sure I understand the point.”
_____It’s a thought experiment. Let me rephrase then: Which religion do you feel is the most harmful or is your least favorite? Do you want each religion to last exactly as it now forever? Do you feel some need reform? Do you feel the world would be a better place without any? Which in particular? And if not, why? It’s an appeal to conservativism to simply state “yes, all should be as it is now unchanging forever.” At least, I feel it is. So please try to avoid using that argument if you choose to answer.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“You&#8217;re not reading carefully &#8211; again. I never suggested you owed me a particular kind of tone; I suggested that the tone you selected was odd for the ostensible goal.”<br />
____Fine. Could I ask you to try not make irrelevant points that don’t really pertain to our discussion of Islam and Christianity? It’s rather superfluous, long, and tiring that you’re running a constant dialogue of meta-criticism about everything else I type and why.</p>
<p>“ Primarily because this isn&#8217;t a therapy session, and my posts were not about exploring our relationship and your desire for validation and approval. Since that seems important to you and you bring it up, here you go: I&#8217;ll bet we could find some things to agree about.”<br />
____It’s not about validation or approval to me, it’s about TRUTH. Logic, yes? Points of agreement? This what you establish when you have a logical argument, no? Whatever. I promise you I’m not really motivated by narcissism as much as genuine belief in the truth of the logical of what I’m saying, okay?</p>
<p>“ When you offer someone permission to do something, implicit in that offer is the intimation that one could have chosen or could choose not to grant such permission.”<br />
____That’s not what I meant to imply. What I meant to imply is that I am AWARE that you may choose not to answer, and I genuinely don’t care. I was trying to give you an out. I was saying, “I understand you are going to do whatever you want and that’s just the truth of the situation. I’m just letting you know that I understand that.”<br />
“I&#8217;m always free not to answer your questions.”<br />
_____Okay, you added a word. I actually pretty much meant “always” implicitly in what I originally said. Sorry I didn’t clarify that absolutely. Glad we cleared it up.<br />
“Yes, you&#8217;ll forgive me if I don&#8217;t model my conversational style after yours. It&#8217;s not so much a matter of stupid pride as avoiding side-excursions into non-sequiturs. If you like, there is stupidity involved, but not in the way you mean.”<br />
_____Okay, well, it’s amazing to me that you think you’re avoiding non-sequitors. I don’t have time to write a novel; I have a life. Forgive me for trying to simplify and streamline the damn arguments and not nitpick over ever last word!</p>
<p>“As there are no magic wands, I&#8217;m not sure I understand the point.”<br />
_____It’s a thought experiment. Let me rephrase then: Which religion do you feel is the most harmful or is your least favorite? Do you want each religion to last exactly as it now forever? Do you feel some need reform? Do you feel the world would be a better place without any? Which in particular? And if not, why? It’s an appeal to conservativism to simply state “yes, all should be as it is now unchanging forever.” At least, I feel it is. So please try to avoid using that argument if you choose to answer.</p>
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