Palestinian People Who Came Into Existence 50 Years Ago Plan Mural of Their 3,500 Year History

Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam. He is completing a book on the international challenges America faces in the 21st century.


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Except all the Jewish stuff. Though Palestinian Arab spokespeople have a history of claiming that Jesus was a Palestinian. (His mother and grandmother presumably were another story.)

So far I’m just seeing an Arafat mural. And that makes sense because the project is probably another glorification bid by Arafat’s unelected band of militias who insist on calling themselves a government even though their president refuses to stand for an actual election.

And because Palestinian history began with Arafat.

As many as 25 Palestinian artists are working on what could be the crowning artistic achievement of their lives – and the Arab world’s largest-ever mural.

But for the artists working on the unfinished project, the 1,000-square-meter mural, dubbed “Huna Canaan” (“Here is Canaan”), isn’t just a painting. Rather, it’s an illustration of more than 3,500 years of Palestinian history.

In a tediously predictable bait and switch, local Arabs are claiming to be Palestinians… and Canaanites. Considering that the latter are long extinct and the former were never a people.

Some Zionists did flirt with a regional Canaanite identity that would unite them and the Arabs together. It was a rather stupid idea considering that neither Jews nor Arabs are Canaanites and that the history of Israel began with a long struggle with the Canaanites, interrupted by Egyptian slavery, that concluded with their eventual expulsion.

But the Canaanites were at least a people. Which is more than can be said for the Palestinians, which is, in the most optimistic pro-Palestinian take, is still a reference to another non-Arabic people.

The Palestinian Arabs claiming to be Canaanites is like Elizabeth Warren claiming to be Native American. It’s worse, because the Arab conquests took place at a much later date.

We’re talking about a bunch of invaders who started flocking to the area in Roman and Post-Roman times, a process that accelerated with the Mohammedan conquests, claiming to be an ancient people who were long extinct by the time they got there.

So it’s actually more like a Muslim immigrant to South America claiming to be an Aztec.

“We’re artists coming from all over Palestine with a message of freedom that we would like to deliver to the entire world,” the group’s coordinator Areeg Thawabi told Anadolu Agency.

Nothing says freedom like a totalitarian state whose leaders arrest critics and refuse to hold elections.

The mural begins with a scene of a Canaanite woman working on the land. “Canaan” is the oldest name associated with the land of Palestine.

Other scenes portray the “Nakba” (the dispossession of the Palestinians and concurrent establishment of Israel), the Intifada and the occupation of the holy city of Al-Quds (Jerusalem), along with a painting dedicated to late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.

So they’ve got an imaginary Canaanite woman, painted to look like a contemporary Arab woman, and then what…. 1948 and the founding of Israel?

That certainly covers 3,500 years. By skipping over them.

Still we can’t expect the Great Palestinian Artists to cover anything after the Canaanites and before the Muslim conquests. That’s a pretty big gap.

And if you get rid of Moses and Joshua, King David and King Solomon, the two kingdoms of Israel and Judea, the prophets, the exiles and the wars, you end up with a Muslim conquest and then centuries of nothing as the place becomes a backward province, the Crusades, and then more centuries of nothing.

The only reasons why anyone even knows that Israel exists is because of Jewish history. Without Jewish history, you’ve got an anonymous Canaanite woman… and Arafat.

And the only reasons anyone except for archeologists knows the Canaanites is because of their biblical conflict with the Jews. And the only reason anyone knows Arafat? Because he fought the Jews.

Even radically censored Palestinian Arab Muslim history revolves around the indigenous people whose existence the descendants of Muslim conquerors keep unsuccessfully trying to censor.

  • tickletik

    Of course you realize, that the only Canaanites left on the planet are .. us. We absorbed them into our people.

  • kate5778b

    Perhaps it’s a misprint and it’s their 35 year history, after all the Egytian Arafat was the 1st er…..palestinian king, after all.

    ‘palestinians’ questions for you:

    Why use the Jewish shekel – found in Torah and not the Qur’an
    Why no pictures of your imports/exports? never existed
    Why no famous ‘Palestinian’ inventions, language, writing, national memories/stories/dress/traditions – it’s all Islamic-Arabic.

    Jesus the Jew of the tribe of Judah, would have had a hard time being a palestinian anyway, since he was born at least 135 years earlier than the name ‘Palestine’ was invented by Hadrian and 7 centuries before Islam was foisted upon us.

    • Blake

      Arafat was from a Palestinian family. None of you impostors are from Palestine at all originally

      • kate5778b

        There hasn’t been a ‘Palestine’ since before the Ottoman Empire.

        It was then divided for Jews and ARabs, with Arabs getting a hefty chunk including Iraq, Lebanon, Syria and then Jordan and Jews getting Israel, the PLO is a movement turned into a people, pretty much like Santa – kids think he’s real too.

        • Blake

          You European squatters in Palestine better have a strong constitution for your lying as they will come back and haunt you. You have zero historian – your own included – who will push that lame narrative. You are the ones who push fairytales as narratives because frankly lying is all you ever do and have no shame in it.

          • iluvisrael

            happy eternal nakba dummy!

          • BigsticksWalksoftly

            Didn’t your mummy teach you that name calling and swearing are what people with limited vocabulary and a lack of life experiences do? Go figure.

          • truebearing

            Apparently, that is all your “mummy” did teach you, even though it isn’t true.

          • defcon 4

            Aren’t you supposed to be dying for muhammad and allah somewhere?

          • moriah steiner
          • ObamaYoMoma

            Apparently, your mother dropped you on your head when you were just a little baby?

            I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the so-called Palestinians are the proxies of the greater Islamic world that is not only waging a jihad (holy war) against the infidels in Israel to ultimately make Islam supreme, but also against all religions and all infidels throughout the world as well, but I know that is far more than your severely deficient mind can grasp. Do me a favor and research “taqiyya” and how it has been used very effectively to turn you into a very gullible useful idiot infidel. That’s right, you have one thing in common with the Jews in Israel in the eyes of all Muslims: indeed, you are also an infidel.

          • Moa

            Very well put.

            Also read “hadith Sahih Muslim 6985″. This is the plan the Muslims have for the Jews (worldwide, not just in Israel).

          • BigsticksWalksoftly

            Don’t tell me you are a Muslim scholar? Fox News university doesn’t count in the real world. Show me one religious “book” that doesn’t espouse hatred of others. The Torah and bible and Quraan are filled with this crap. Any person who takes a basic college course will discover that people have used religion, race, color,gender as excuses to garner money power respect sex. Don’t u realize Fox News and the wannabe author here are making money off your islamaphobia since they can’t scare you enough from communism anymore?

          • Ikaros3

            Moa, I remember reading a scholar’s article (unfortunately I can’t remember his name) saying that Jerusalem is mentioned in the Koran, but Palestine is not even mentioned once. Do you know if that’s true, and if it is, I would think it would have been mentioned if it did exist.

          • Moa

            Jerusalem is not mentioned in the Qur’an. Refer to:
            http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2012/02/claiming-jerusalem-is-in-the-koran

            In contrast, in Jewish texts mentioned Jerusalem over 800 times (843, IIRC).

            The Roman (and later, Ottoman) Province of “Palestine” is not mentioned.

            The history is complicated. What is important to know is that Palestine has always been the name of a region, never a country. Before 1947 the word “Palestinian” was used exclusively for Jewish settlers that had arrived over the last century (joining Jews who had been there continuously for over 3000 years). The Arabs always saw themselves as part of the Arab World, and called themselves “Arabs” – in 1947 their British-led “Arab League” marched to perform genocide (which they stated openly) on the newly formed Israel.

            Between 1947 and 1967 the Arabs called themselves “Egyptian” if in Gaza and “Jordanian” if in Judea and Samaria (which the Jordanians called the “West Bank”). Only when the Israelis defeated another arab invasion in 1967 (and again in 1973) whose goal was genocide of the Jews did the Arabs adopt the name “Palestinian”. This was on the advice of the Soviets, who had learned the power of disinformation.

            Even Yasser Arafat (himself an Egyptian) declared that adopting the name “Palestinian” was merely a step to continue the planned Islamic genocide of Jews (as commanded in hadith Shahih Muslim 6985 and elsewhere in Islamic doctrines).

            Here’s a nifty link showing quotes from Arafat and others in how “Palestine” was invented in 1967 as a ruse (pages 6- 12 are particularly useful):
            http://www.al-rassooli.com/palestine/index.html

            See also, “The legal case for Israel”:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub2x5UvjUs4

            If you have only five minutes then Prager University covers the whole “Palestine conflict”:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEKwXsmDXOA

            Remember these simple facts:
            1) Arab Palestine is called “Jordan” today,
            2) non-Arab Palestine is called “Israel” today.
            3) “Judea and Samaria” (also called, “The West Bank”) is *disputed territory* whose final status is to be settled under International Law
            4) The Muslims already have 56 massive countries, plus the “Palestinian Territories”.
            5) There is only one country for the Jewish People, and it is tiny
            6) The fight is not really about land. The fight is about the Islamic goal of genocide against the Jews (including those outside Israel, eg in Europe and the USA too). Israel is merely resisting the jihadis who want to slaughter them (and once the jihadis accomplish this with Israel they intend to come after Europe, USA, and all non-Muslim nations too – as commanded in Qur’an Sura 9:5, 9:29 and over one hundred other evil verses).

            I hope that helps you understand the situation. Thanks for asking for clarification.

          • BigsticksWalksoftly

            FACT: upwards of 20% of Palestinians are NOT Muslims. By virtue of this fact your fox news hasbara is exposed as ignorance. The truth will set you free my friend. Didn’t your mommy teach you about name calling? Doesn’t seem to Christian to me

          • ObamaYoMoma

            You are a mentally deficient moron and an utterly absurd hypocrite.

          • truebearing

            What is your source? Is it the same place you learned that Jesus was born in the Roman province of Syrian palestine?

          • defcon 4

            LOL, any proof for your assertions Hamid Al Hamastan?
            From what I understand women and Christians aren’t treated at all equally to muslime men in Gaza, the W. Bank or anyplace run by muslimes in the entire Mid-East and N. Africa for that matter.

          • Moa

            Yeah, in Bethlehem the Muslims have nearly eradicated the Christian Arabs (just like Syria, Iraq, Iran, Sudan etc).

          • Drakken

            Happy nakba haji! Yeah I do fault those Jews living in Israel for being way too nice to you Islamic savages, hopefully they wake up and give you inbreds what you so richly deserve, a nice healthy taste of Carthage.

          • BigsticksWalksoftly

            You have contributed zilch to this educational experience. I would rather watch Fox News. I would suggest making friends with an arab or Muslim or palestinian. Or maybe an arab Muslim palestinian. Actually a Syrian arab Christian, or Lebanese arab Druze, or israeli palestinian agnostic may do the trick! You have to start somewhere.

          • defcon 4

            I figured Al Jizz was more your style, or maybe Press TV.

          • Drakken

            Here let m help you out with your educational experience since it is very obvious that you are a tad slow, the muslim arabs persecute arab Christians all over the middle east and north Africa, the Jews of Israel do not persecute Christian arabs unless they openly side with their muslim overlords, with me so far shortbus? Bethlehem used to be a majority Christian, is now less than 2 % due to Islamic persecution so go peddle your arab muslim bullsh** somewhere else. Any arab of whatever muslim stripe are a clear and present danger to any and all Christians in the region period, the Jews of Israel are not, end of bloody story.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            You European squatters in Palestine better have a strong constitution for your lying as they will come back and haunt you.

            Are you delusional? There is no country called Palestine and until Arafat usurped the term, there were no people other than Israelis called Palestinians. In any event, this conflict isn’t a conflict about land the Jews allegedly stole from the Arabs. It has never been about that! Instead, it’s a perpetual jihad (holy war) that is part of the much greater global jihad (holy war) being waged against all religions and all infidels throughout the world by Muslims to ultimately make Islam supreme. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but via taqiyya you have been duped into turning against your own fellow infidels. Indeed, you are in alliance with your own eternal mortal enemies against the infidels in Israel, even as you are also on Islam’s target list. How dumb is that? In other words, you are the quintessential gullible useful idiot infidel! I hope your mother is proud.

          • sherwool

            Find a reference to a “Palestinian” people from before 1920- I submit it does not exist. The 3000+ yearhistory of the Jewish people and their association with the land called Palestine is abundantly documented.

            If people like you don’t like what history says, you simply re-write it. You are a true idiot.

          • Blake

            Oh thats simple if you read non fiction and not something that came after your invented state in Palestine

          • defcon 4

            Hmmmmm, let’s see you were already caught in one lie, and now you’re accusing everyone else of being liars? Projection? Stupidity? Islamic delusions?

          • BenJabo1Machal

            Stop being such an ignorant lying twit!!

            You have the misconception that Israel

            “Grabbed”” the land
            of others.

            The fact is that the Palestinian’s
            are a ‘RECENT INVENTION, as attested to by Fahti Hammad of Hamas, who has many
            Video’s on the subject.

            Hamas Minister of the Interior and
            of National Security Fathi Hammad Slams Egypt
            over Fuel Shortage in Gaza
            Strip, and Says:

            “ PALESTINIAN’S ARE “INVENTED
            PEOPLE”

            PALESTINE NEVER EXISTED

            Hamas Minister of the Interior and
            of National Security Fathi Hammad Slams Egypt
            over Fuel Shortage in Gaza
            Strip, and Says:

            “Half of the Palestinians Are
            Egyptians and the Other Half Are Saudis”

            Al-Hekma
            TV (Egypt)
            - March 23, 2012 – 03:09

            HIS VIDEO IS ON YOUTUBE

            “FATHI HAMMAD”

            Hamas official reveals where Palestinians came from

            “Half of the Palestinians Are
            Egyptians and the Other Half Are Saudis”

            Al-Hekma
            TV (Egypt)
            - March 23, 2012 – 03:09

            —————————-

            Another of his Video’s brags about Hamas using their own people for
            Human Shields

            There is
            no “historical” Palestine – it’s Israel. The
            Romans wanted to punish the Jews after their defeat at Masada
            in the first century. The Roman emperor Hadrian meant to erase the name of Israel and Judah, so that there would be no
            memory of the country that belonged to that Jewish people. He wanted a name
            that would humiliate the Jews, and found that in an extinct people called the
            “Philistines,” the enemies of the Israelites.

            That is ever so true!!!

            Crusades, Inquisition,
            Pogroms, ever hear of them ??

            Of course not, you’re
            like an Ostrich with it’s head stuck in the sand

          • BenJabo1Machal

            NO PALESTINIAN PEOPLE

            December 14, 2011,by

            Syrian Ba’ath party member, and PLO member
            Zuheir Mohsen in the Dutch newspaper “Trouw” on 31 March 1977.:

            “The
            Palestinian people does not exist”. The creation of a
            Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state
            of Israel
            for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians,
            Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical
            reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since
            Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct
            “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

            For tactical
            reasons, Jordan, which is a
            sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa
            and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can
            undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa,
            Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem.
            However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine,
            we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine
            and Jordan

            There is no
            “historical” Palestine – it’s Israel. The Romans wanted to punish
            the Jews after their defeat at Masada in the
            first century. The Roman emperor Hadrian meant to erase the name of Israel and Judah, so that there would be no
            memory of the country that belonged to that Jewish people. He wanted a name
            that would humiliate the Jews, and found that in an extinct people called the
            “Philistines,” the enemies of the Israelites.

          • Blake

            Maybe you and your 7 thumbers up need to re read it esp the last sentence or maybe you simply do not understand English and need it in yiddish?

          • Marty

            The majority of Israel’s Jewish population isn’t from europe , but from the arab countries that persecuted and expelled them after confiscating their property. The inbred so-called palestininans are economic parasites who drifted in from syria and elsewhere after the Jews made the place habitable and prosperous.

        • BigsticksWalksoftly

          I don’t remember there being an israel before neither. Actually, there wasn’t even the USA before. Crap! We must all be people on a planet called earth.

          • truebearing

            Why do you think we would believe someone who obviously lacks historical knowledge, and belongs to a copycat religion that encourages its brain dead followers to lie to the infidel whenever it is convenient?

          • BigsticksWalksoftly

            I don’t know why you are putting down conservative jews and Catholics like that. Plus your name calling is distracting to the educational process. We should all learn to get along and stop focusing on the past atrocities even if Catholics, comservative Jews or even Shiite Muslims can’t get along with other peaceful folks

          • defcon 4

            Shiite muslimes persecute Jews and Christians and Baha’i and Zoroastrians — anywhere and everywhere they have the power to do so.

          • Drakken

            Oh so your one of those dialogue folks, how quaint and suicidal of you. Here let me help you out there sunshine, there is no peace with islam unless it is peace of the grave, sorry if folks like me won’t go without a fuss.

          • Moa

            Hey muppet, why don’t you go and Google the following two pieces of non-abrogated Islamic doctrine (you know what “abrogation” is, right?):

            1) hadith Sahih Muslim 6985

            2) Qur’an Sura 9:29

            Why you support genocide and subjugation of all non-Muslims is beyond me. You are either very very deluded or downright evil. Which is it?

          • Beavis

            You dumbasses remind me of little kids.

          • Moa

            What is “dumbassed” about pointing out the calls to genocide and subjugation in Islamic Doctrine?

            I’m sure intellectually lazy name callers like you were not aware of them, so it was an opportunity for you to learn about why the Islamic totalitarians fight.

            Instead, being the dumbass yourself and very closed minded you instead threw around insults instead of picking up more knowledge.

            You are not Beavis – you’re Buttheaed but too ignorant to be aware of the limitations in your own thinking.

            ps. I’m an atheist, I use the arguments of the superstitious against themselves. Your assumption was wrong. Instead of learning more, you move straight to name calling. That’s just fsking stupid dude.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            You’ve probably never come into contact with Judaism and Christianity, both of which spend a lot of time dealing with this Israel… that never existed.

          • Blake

            What a crock. I am a Christian so i have been in contact with them being one. Christianity – you know the ones you Jews have had a 2000 yr old hatred of – was born in PALESTINE. Now please stop your dire revisionism and acting the fool. Like a dodgy salesman trying to sell a bridge in the Nevada desert to a gullible fool. No one is buying it but you indoctrinated to nothing con artists.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            You don’t live there. Try being a Christian living in Bethlehem and your opinion will count for something.

            Or you can just look at the vanishing number of Christians in the Muslim world and stop the lying.

          • Blake

            Try being a native Christian under your zio occupation? ALL Christians are in the same boat as their Muslim brethren and call it OCCUPIED PALESTINE. United against their impostors. PFLP the PLO started by CHRISTIAN PALESTINIANS

          • Daniel Greenfield

            So why are Christians vanishing from the Muslim world then?

            Who is persecuting them there? The Zionists?

          • Blake

            Diversion zio style. If you care about the Christians so much allow the 90% you ethnically cleansed out and return the businesses and homes you stole. Also somewhere in this spam of yours you mentioned indigenous people cannot usurp their own land. This is the kind of stuff you freaks make up. You are not the indigenous people of Palestine. Even Abraham sojourned there from Mesopotamia (look up the word sojourned) and you are definitely not of that bedouin lineage.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            You mean the Christians who have been fleeing Muslim occupation for centuries and who founded Ramallah to get away from Muslims?

          • Blake

            You are the impostors and they are united against you. Whatever you whine about is immaterial. I have wasted far too much time on you desperate squatter rats. Time I will never get back suffice to say I tend to believe the oppressed over the oppressors and their lame propaganda – as truth is on their side – and karma won’t be kind on your evil souls.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Give David Icke my regards on the mothership

          • Moa

            You do realize, Blake, that Islam is the “Religion of the Anti-Christ”. Right? why are you defending the Anti-Christ? what kind of Christian are you? oh, that’s right, one of the anti-Semites.

            YHWH made an unbreakable and eternal pact with the Jews. But you think you know better – even thought it is abundantly apparent you know very little of the real history of the region. Here, let me help you a little:
            http://www.al-rassooli.com/palestine/index.html

            or

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEKwXsmDXOA

            or

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub2x5UvjUs4

            Learn something before you embarrass yourself further. And stop supporting the anti-Christ of Islam !!!!!

          • Drakken

            I can’t wait until Israel finally takes the PC gloves off and eliminates you effing savages once and for all time. It will be a lesson to the rest of the muslim arabs who are to slow to get it, Happy nakba haji!

          • Drakken

            You effing inbred arabs deserve everything you have coming to you and more, and good bloody riddance.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Many German National Socialists claimed to be Christians as well. You’re one of those Christians, am I right?

            Jesus was, or was not a Jew?

          • Drakken

            Pssst shortbus do gooder leftard, if you think Israel is such a meany, go there and join your poor oppressed muslim pali friends, I am sure Rachel Corrie could use the company and I am sure that you will, without a doubt, show them mean Israeli’s a thing or too.

      • DogmaelJones1

        I’ve always assumed that Arafat of the Wal-Mart dish towel headdress was actually Egyptian and was in the Egyptian Army. Maybe the only authentically “Palestinian” thing about him was that dish towel, probably also made in China. When you begin to peel away all the layers of Arafat’s identity, you wind up with nothing.

        • BigsticksWalksoftly

          Reading this I think just made me dumber. This is worse than watching fox news

          • truebearing

            “Reading this I think just made me dumber.”

            Is that even possible? You’re solidly in the bottom tier already. Maybe it just makes you feel dumber because you aren’t smart enough to understand the comment.

            Fox News confuses you, too? Why don’t you just sit down, relax, and have a nice, challenging game of Whack-A-Mole.

          • BigsticksWalksoftly

            There was a research article that came out over the summer of 2013 that suggested that people who spend time watching fox cable news tend to have IQ scores that are significantly lower than normal control subjects. This is a documented fact. I am just trying to learn about people’s hatred and name calling is a sign ( or symptom) of prior brain damage. By the way I have a doctorate degree and work in the medical field my friend

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “There was a research article that came out over the summer of 2013 that suggested that people who spend time watching fox cable news tend to have IQ scores that are significantly lower than normal control subjects. This is a documented fact.”

            The control subjects were watching CNN?

            “I am just trying to learn about people’s hatred and name calling is a sign ( or symptom) of prior brain damage. By the way I have a doctorate degree and work in the medical field my friend”

            Then you ought to be ashamed of your abuse of science.

          • truebearing

            You admitted to becoming dumber by simply reading a comment, and your comments have been none to bright. I was just trying to help you deal with your problem.

            You have a doctorate and work in the medical field? So you work in a plasma donation center as a janitor and have a useless degree in African American Studies, or something like that.

            With Affirmative Action, grade inflation, and the systemic political corruption of our colleges and universities, your unproven claim of having a doctorate means little to me. Actually, all of your claims mean little to me. I suspect you are a profoundly dishonest person who will say anything to get the upper hand.

            Why don’t you name these studies you keep yammering about? Didn’t they require verifiable documentation at the fantasy college where you got your fake degree?

          • LibertarianToo

            If you do hold a doctorate, it certainly isn’t in English. And you forgot to tell us your source. BUT a quick snopes check reveals that the alleged study is BOGUS -a complete hoax, right down to the non-existence of the supposed group that allegedly conducted the “study”.
            “This is a documented fact”. How gullible are you?

          • defcon 4

            You “work in the medical field” doing what? Stealing organs from still living najjis kaffir?

          • notalibfool

            Maybe he’s flipping burgers in the hospital cafeteria.

          • Drakken

            Please dear God (not allah) do not let this 3 rd world raghead practice medicine in the west. I am sure that the Syrian (freedom) cough, spit, snort fighters would love your expertise much more than us stupid infidels.

          • iluvisrael

            impossible for you to get any dumber

          • defcon 4

            You’re probably the smartest man in your madrassah or mosque.

        • KyraNelson

          Yassir Arabfat was born in Egypt

          • DogmaelJones1

            Yes, I know.

      • Gee

        Funny how Jews never left and were the majority in the 1860 census.

        Try your lies on the ignorant they are the only ones that believe your stupidity

        • Blake

          More lies from the squatters in Palestine:

          From Chambers Encyclopedia – A universal knowledge for the People
          (19th century) :

          “The Jews are all foreigners – almost exclusively inhabiting 4 holy cities Jerusalem; Hebron; Tiberias & Safed. Their whole number, in 1863, is estimated at 9000.”

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Do you really believe that you are more intelligent than everyone else on this site that isn’t nearly as gullible and as dumb as you are?

          • alexa44

            For the sake of argument let say it is true Jews however were the majority in jeruslame from 1860. also don;t forget there were allways jews in Israel. Long before the Arab occupied it in the 7th century.

          • KyraNelson

            Yeah & the Kingdom of Judea was named after Mohammed’s wife Khadijah who was born a thousand years later. Feral, savage, child-sacrificing, moloch-worshipping arabs are the squatters and the interlopers. If the ever got their hands on the land of Israel they would just turn it into another Egypt or Pakistan

          • Blake

            Your ‘Star of David’ is showing, Shlomo.The emblem on the flag of Israel is a blue colored version of the Rothschild, “Red Hexagram or Sign.” This Hexagram was
            used in the ancient mystery religions as the symbol of “Moloch,” (described as a demon of unwilling sacrifice and is also interestingly the name of the stone owl the elite worship at Bohemian Grove), and “Astaroth,” (described as the Lord Treasurer of Hell).”The Rothschilds created and own Israel…lock, stock,and barrel.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            You are David Icke aren’t you. Come on fess up.

            The Star of David is two Hebrew D’s interlocked for King David. It long predates a bunch of Euro millionaires.

            But thanks for playing. Look out for the alien base on the moon.

        • BigsticksWalksoftly

          What historical document are you reading? In my neck of the woods we learn facts. FACT: people of the Jewish faith never made up more than 7% of the population in the ottoman territory between the Mediterranean Sea and Jordan river. Face it. Just because white Europeans can’t get along with each other don’t mean that peaceful Palestinians should pay the price. Europe has been the most violent place in the world in the past 1000 years and have spread their moral corruption to the Middle East.

          • truebearing

            What is your source, WalkingBigSoftStick?

          • BigsticksWalksoftly

            It’s called high school history on the chapter on ww1 and that other big war. Russian pogrom education you can google. Actually you can google all this to find that Christians Muslims Jews were quite peaceful to each other for at least a thousand years before the euro inspired rise of Jewish nationalism. Feel free to ask for clarification. I am only here to help

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “It’s called high school history on the chapter on ww1 and that other big war.”

            I hate to break it to you, but many if not most history books in publicly funded (not to mention enemy funded private) schools are full of politically motivated lies and deceptions. Really, I’m sorry to break it to you like this.

            “Actually you can google all this to find that Christians Muslims Jews were quite peaceful to each other for at least a thousand years before the euro inspired rise of Jewish nationalism.”

            You poor naive soul. I actually pity you. You think that both the Internet and all text books are purely truthful. No such thing as controversy once you cite a web source or your high school text books. If only.

          • truebearing

            Help what, the butchery of human history? So far your doctorate hasn’t shown to be of much use. You write like you’re still in high school and your comments are singularly fact-free. Keep commenting though. It’s very amusing.

          • defcon 4

            Maybe he has his doctorate in jihad — from such well known universities as Mogadishu U, or Islamabad Tech.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            In other news, slaves really loved their plantations. Then they ruined the harmony by wanting freedom.

            Everyone was happy living under Muslim rule too.

          • Notalibfool

            What? Christians and Muslims peaceful to each other for a thousand years? Son, did you ever learn anything about the Ottoman invasions of eastern Europe? How peaceful were the Ottomans being to Christians when they were kidnapping European Christian boys and hauling them back to the empire to become Janissaries?

            Supposedly you know so much about history.

          • alexa44

            Christians Muslims Jews were quite peaceful to each other for at least a thousand ?

            I am sorry but that is a pure lie pro palesitnain want you to belive. Truth however is that while Jews fared better in mulsim countries than in christian one they had their share of massacare long before anyone heard about zionism.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Just because white Europeans can’t get along with each other don’t mean that peaceful Palestinians should pay the price.”

            The “peaceful” “Palestinians” are virtually all dead; at the hands of the jihadis.

            “Europe has been the most violent place in the world in the past 1000 years and have spread their moral corruption to the Middle East.”

            Oh I see. Jihad was peaceful until the crusaders made them violent? That’s interesting. So get out of Europe and forget about America. Don’t forget to keep the jihadis from attacking the West. Good luck.

          • BigsticksWalksoftly

            You do realize god fearing moderate Muslims have named there children Jihad? Jihad does not imply violence. I’m obviously not an expert at this but I’m pretty sure jihad literally translates into a persons motivation to do good for a chosen cause. What’s up with the Fox News inspired over simplification of an arabic word? BTW You should really educate yourself on the thousands of non violent palestinian groups. They pretty much meet up every Friday afternoon in front of Israel’s racist apartheid wall to willfully get shot at by the Israeli offensive forces. Just google it my friend

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “You do realize god fearing moderate Muslims have named there children Jihad?”

            So what? First of all, I don’t care. Second, if I did care, I’d sure care about what beliefs they hold about this god they named their children after. Fear is not a universally good thing.

            “I’m obviously not an expert at this but I’m pretty sure jihad literally translates into a persons motivation to do good for a chosen cause.”

            Jihad roughly translates in to “struggles.” As in “my struggle” or “our struggle.” Sound familiar?

            “What’s up with the Fox News inspired over simplification of an arabic word?”

            Seems like projection on your part.

            “BTW You should really educate yourself on the thousands of non violent palestinian groups.”

            You assume too much.

            “They pretty much meet up every Friday afternoon in front of Israel’s racist apartheid wall to willfully get shot at by the Israeli offensive forces.”

            That’s fascinating. You’re a dupe. I wish all the best to the truly peaceful ones. They’re not running things.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            You leftwing Brits are not only antisemitic bigots, but when it comes to the reality of Islam, you morons are all extremely gullible useful idiots as well. Islamaphobia….you must be joking! Ha ha! Hilarious. Rolls eyes. Well moonbat, thank God this isn’t Britain!

          • Elliott

            Can you at least tell us in which country you live?
            Also,what is your favourite newspaper?
            What are your sources of information?
            Do you FULLY understand the meaning of the word “Apartheid”, and how it was applied?

          • iluvisrael

            you hate the wall because it prevents the savage attacks on Jews within Israel – not enough dead Jews for your liking?

          • defcon 4

            Israel is the only place in the Mid-East and N. Africa that muslimes aren’t free to murder, rape and persecute anyone non-muslim, is that why you call it an “apartheid state” Hamid?

          • Daniel Greenfield

            [It is that] you believe in Allah and His Messenger and strive in the cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives. That is best for you, if you should know.

            He will forgive for you your sins and admit you to gardens beneath which rivers flow and pleasant dwellings in gardens of perpetual residence. That is the great attainment.

            And [you will obtain] another [favor] that you love – victory from Allah and an imminent conquest; and give good tidings to the believers.

            Koran 61:11-13

            The Arabic word used for “strive” is, “watujahidoona” or “You will make Jihad”.

          • KyraNelson

            You are either a silly fool or a laughing troll

          • Just Sayin’

            “Gay” originally meant light-hearted, carefree and happy. Context matters. If I point to a couple of men kissing and say, “Those guys are so gay,” what exactly am I saying? Is it that they are carefree and light-hearted? They could be. I don’t know. But that’s not what I am saying. I am stating that they are homosexual.

            Read the Qur’an. Sura 4:95. Even though “jihad” originally meant “struggle”, the context in which the Muslim holy book uses it matters. If it were simply a personal struggle to do good, the Qur’an wouldn’t have to give exceptions for participating in jihad to women, children, the lame and infirm or the elderly. Nor would you have to strive with all your (implied) physical might.

            Are you saying that an elderly person can’t have inner struggles? Women can’t wrestle with their inner demons? Physically handicapped people aren’t allowed to have moral dilemmas? Or are is the Qur’an saying that they are not human and therefore don’t suffer from that meddlesome malady called sin? The entire “Jihad really just means struggle” argument is poorly thought out and second-rate apologetics.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            You do realize god fearing moderate Muslims have named there children Jihad?

            I hate to rain on your gullible useful idiot parade again, but Islam is not a faith-based religion. Instead, it is a very rabid form of totalitarianism that masquerades as being a faith-based religion. You see, the first and foremost requirement of Islam is the total, complete, and unconditional submission of all Muslims to the “will of Allah” under the penalty of death for blasphemy and apostasy. Thus, a Muslim is a Muslim or otherwise a blasphemous apostate that per the texts and tenets of Islam must be executed.

            Furthermore, since jihad (holy war) is the highest pillar of Islam, waging it in one form or another is a fundamental holy obligation incumbent upon all Muslims. Thus, all mainstream orthodox Muslims are also jihadists in one form or another, either violent jihadists or non-violent stealth and deceptive jihadists. Otherwise, they are blasphemous apostates that per the dictates of Islam must be executed.

            By the way, what is the “will of Allah” that all Muslims totally, completely, and unconditionally submit to under the penalty of death for blasphemy and apostasy? In essence it is Sharia or Islamic totalitarian law.

            Indeed, what true faith-based religions like Islam require total, complete, and unconditional submission to the “will of Allah” and at the same time doesn’t give the individual the right to believe or not to believe exactly like Islam? The answer is none of them. In addition, what faith-based religions like Islam punishes blasphemy and apostasy via the penalty of death? The answer is none of them. Moreover, what faith-based religions make waging jihad (holy war) in one form or another a fundamental holy obligation incumbent upon all adherents? The answer again is none of them. Finally, what faith-based religions have as their sole fundamental purpose the subjugation of all religions and all infidels into Islamic totalitarianism through both violent and non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad and the eventual imposition of Sharia (Islamic totalitarian law) in order to make Islam supreme throughout the world? The answer, of course, again, is none of them. Thus, obviously Islam is not a faith-based religion, but a rabid form of totalitarianism instead.

            Hence, for any person of Islamic persuasion to be considered a true “moderate” by Western standards, that person would necessarily have to renounce his or her total, complete, and unconditional submission to the will of Allah under the penalty of death for blasphemy and apostasy, which at the same time would garner them a death sentence.

            Thus, the existence of so-called moderate Muslims, which is a unhinged invention of the political correct multicultural left, is a myth, as they only exist in the unhinged minds of the political correct multicultural left.

          • defcon 4

            Yeah it’s the Europeans that ruined islamic states. I’ll bet the geographic areas constituting Pakistain and Bangladesh now were a lot safer for Buddhists, Hindus and Sikhs under the British then they are now Mahmud.

          • alexa44

            Jews were the majority in Jerusalem sicnce 1860.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Just because white Europeans can’t get along with each other don’t mean that peaceful Palestinians should pay the price.

            What are you smoking? The so-called Palestinians, whose very existence is “taqiyya” used to dupe gullible useful idiot infidels exactly like you, like Muslims throughout the world are incredibly violent. That is unless you don’t believe that homicide/suicide bombings aren’t violent.

            Nevertheless, it is fun to observe the stupidity of the British people. I mean it’s very hard to imagine that you Brits can be so gullible and stupid at the same time, but I guess that’s what happens when Marxists hijack and take over the education system. Thus, all you unhinged inculcated morons have been brainwashed into believing in political correct multiculturalism, with the result being you loons morally equate all cultures and societies with your own, even when they are your own enemies. After all, if all cultures and societies are equal and no culture is superior, then there is no need for war anymore right? Thus, war is a remnant of the past. Yeah right.

            However, the problem with political correct multiculturalism is it goes completely against human nature. Not to mention that it also runs counter to united we stand, as it is actually a divided we fall time bomb.

            In any event, in the spirit of political correct multiculturalism, you British moonbats have flooded your country with people that are your eternal mortal enemy and that fully intend to subjugate you into Islamic totalitarianism via the eventual imposition of Sharia, which is Islamic totalitarian law. Thus, for a glance at you Brit’s futures, all you have to do is take a look at the Christian Copts in Egypt today, because that will be your future, a future of harsh and degrading dhimmitude and servitude to your Islamic masters.

            You morons are being sold under the bridge and because you morons have all been brainwashed, you are all too dumb and too far-gone to realize it. No wonder you aid and abet your own mortal enemy against your fellow Jewish infidel allies in Israel like gullible useful idiot infidels.

            Europe has been the most violent place in the world in the past 1000 years and have spread their moral corruption to the Middle East.

            We don’t say you loons are self-hating for nothing? Of course, you are only reiterating the propaganda that you have been fed cradle to grave.

          • Stosh777

            Utter nonsense. What peaceful Palestinians? You mean the Arabs who managed a dozen anti-Jewish pogroms in the 30 years before Israel’s establishment? The ones who ethnically cleansed Hebron (and most of east Jerusalem) of Jews in 1929? Who were rabid followers of the Mufti of Palestine, an advisor of Hitler who raised 2 Muslim SS divisions and personally ensured several thousand Hungarian Jewish children were sent to Auschwitz rather than deported (they might get to Palestine…ooh, ooh). Big stick, you need to speak more softly and learn some history.

        • Just Sayin’

          Actually, the Ottoman Turks were the ones doing the census at that time. They were notoriously inaccurate and the lands which those census’ covered were for areas far larger than modern day Israel. Because this is the case, it is difficult to come to a genuine headcount of who was there in 1860. But all signs point to Muslims outnumbering Jews at roughly a count of a half million to 80,000.

          Since many of those living there were nomadic bedouin Muslims who held no cultural identity outside of their clans and who did not participate in the census and also because Muslims were the only ones conscripted into the Ottoman army, there is considerable reason to believe the number of Muslims is actually under-reported. It behooved Muslims to remain so as they could then skirt military duty. Also, reporting on women and children was spotty at best. But we are not talking faiths, we are talking cultural, racial identity. If I am a Christian it doesn’t mean that I have the right to claim Bethlehem as mine because Jesus was born there. Do you see the link?

          With that said, the Jews were far more likely to live in cities and drive the overall “modern” economic structure of the region with the Muslims remaining more nomadic. There is essentially nothing on which to base the idea that the Muslims of that time associated with any sort of “Palestinian Cause” or “People.”

          The fact that there were more Muslims there is to be expected since the area was ruled by them since the Islamic conquests around AD 637 shortly after the death of Abdul Al-Kassim in AD 632. (I refuse to pay heed to a man who titles himself “He Who Is Worthy Of All Praise”). This, of course, is with the notable exception of the relatively brief “Christian” rule of the Crusaders.

          But see, the funny thing about conquests is that there needs to be someone there in order to conquer them. So, if we are truly being honest, the modern day “Palestinians” have a majority Arab lineage and did not migrate until Islam made the area “important to Muslims” around AD 600 at the earliest. See, I even granted a few decades there.

          However, the Jews of the area can stake their claim far back into the BC’s with multiple, even hostile sources verifying that legitimacy. Being as such, unless there is some as yet unknown documentation or link to modern day descendants of the Canaanites, Philistines, Amorites, etc. (who for all current knowledge have vanished or were integrated into neighboring tribes who held no land claims) the Jews are the people with the oldest demonstrable stake to the land.

          Sorry, but just because you want something to be true doesn’t make it so. If this were a court, possession is nine tenths of the law. Not to mention the Jews have the only real documented, verifiable claim which makes the “Palestinian’s” cries of entitlement all the more tenuous. The so-called current “Palestinian” people’s assertion to be descendants of prior inhabitants sadly smacks of typical Muslim verbal one-ups-manship because the facts do not support their case.

      • iluvisrael

        from cairo you dunce, but most Jew haters are stupid goons like you

        • Blake

          No you not. Next liar out of eastern Europe

          • alexa44

            Half of the Israeli Jews are from arab countries.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          Well, they did move there!!!

        • BigsticksWalksoftly

          More name calling? Doesn’t Fox News or your other hasbara links give you anything of value to say. You do realize that Einstein, Mandela, Hawkings have all written in support of peace and coexistence in palestine. Your unconditional hatred is mind numbing and an embarrassment to us true Americans

          • truebearing

            More of your Fox News obsession. I’m beginning to think…yes…the writing style, the dumb comments, the obsession with Fox…you’re “Special Ed” Schultz from MSLSD!

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “You do realize that Einstein, Mandela, Hawkings have all written in support of peace and coexistence in palestine. ”

            Everyone wants peace in the world, everywhere. Not everyone is willing to tolerate sharia. And many are not willing to tolerate anything else but sharia.

            And then there are the communist agitators…but that’s another chapter.

          • defcon 4

            Peace for muslimes, persecution and murder for everyone not a muslime.

          • Drakken

            Us infidels will never ever have peace with a islam that will never give it, effem, time to end this Islamic abortion once and for all, God Bless the Crusades!

      • ObamaYoMoma

        Has anyone pointed out the fact that you are an unhinged loon and a very gullible useful idiot? If not, I just did.

        • BigsticksWalksoftly

          Thanks for the uneducated name calling. It’s a true sign of how great America is

          • ObamaYoMoma

            It also applies to you moron1

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Yep, you fit the template of the classic British unhinged loon. Hasbara and Fox News have literally destroyed the brains of Americans, except for the fact that most Israel supporters are like you in that they don’t have the first clue about Islam and Fox News is exactly like other so-called mainstream outlets including the ones in the UK like the BBC in that it also doesn’t have the first clue about Islam.

            By the way moonbat, the sole fundamental purpose of Islam is the subjugation of all religions and all infidels into Islamic totalitarianism through both violent and non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad and the eventual imposition of Sharia (Islamic totalitarian law) to ultimately make Islam supreme throughout the world. Thus, what is happening with respect to the infidels in Israel is a run of the mill jihad (holy war), not dissimilar to the jihad (holy war) being waged in the UK via mass Muslim immigration for the strategic purpose of demographic conquest. So stick your idiotic so-called Islamophobia stupidity up where the sun doesn’t shine if you get my drift. The infidels in Israel are your fricking allies, yet as a gullible useful idiot infidel totally duped by taqiyya, you are working against your own allies and your own personal interest at the same time, and it just doesn’t get any dumber than that.

          • Drakken

            Well look at it this way, Darwin sure does love his winners and I think we may a winner with shortbus there. The Brits one way or another are about to get a very cruel lesson and have to fight or perish.

          • defcon 4

            WEll you have the rest of the fun loving, tolerant islamic world to bang goats in so make like a tree and leave.

        • BS77

          Tell a lie over and over and over endlessly and eventually it will be accepted as truth by the ignorant.

      • BS77

        Arafat was from Egypt.

        • defcon 4

          LOL, don’t let trivia like facts get in the way of a really good islamic lie!

      • BenJabo1Machal

        Arafat was EGYPTIAN, sent by Nasser to foment trouble in our land of Israel

    • BigsticksWalksoftly

      Jesus was born in the roman province of Syrian palestine. Sounds palestinian to me

      • objectivefactsmatter

        “Jesus was born in the roman province of Syrian palestine. Sounds palestinian to me”

        You’re a liar or you’re stupid.

        • truebearing

          Let’s not be stingy in our acknowledgements. He’s clearly both, and great sport! May all of our adversaries have his mental capacity. :)

      • BenZacharia

        Yeshua was born in Capta Judea, a Roman province. The name ‘Palestine’ was given by Hadrian after the failed Bar Kochba revolt of 135 CE. Ignorant fool.

      • Blake

        Yep under King Herod in ROMAN OCCUPIED PALESTINE

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “Yep under King Herod in ROMAN OCCUPIED PALESTINE”

          Yep, you’re an idiot. It was Judea. It was renamed Syria Palaestina by Hadrian long after both Jesus and Herod died.

          Jesus was from Judea. IOW, a Jew. Get over it.

          • defcon 4

            To be fair, this is probably the version of history taught in most any islam0fascist state — or in most secondary schools or universities in the USA these days.

          • Blake

            Judea, if you believe that nonsense, was a division of ….yeah you guessed it : Palestine. Didn’t last very long though. You frauds and your myths.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            You are now a verified Idiot.

        • truebearing

          Yep, Blake is just as poorly educated as the WalkingStick. Who would have guessed it?

          • Blake

            Education to you alternative antonym dwelling frauds are believing the myths, not facts.

          • KyraNelson

            Blake is poorly educated because Blake wants to be poorly educated. He can tell you all about the conflict while standing on one foot. He is a Jew hater. The rest is all commentary.

      • truebearing

        “Jesus was born in the roman province of Syrian palestine. Sounds palestinian to me”

        Ouch! That was dumb. Looks like your big stick is getting stuck, and not particularly softly.

        Thanks for your dogged persistence. Why stop when you have the crowd laughing?

      • Elliott

        NO! NO NO! There was no “Palestine”. The country’s name was different,and the re-naming was purely to insult the Jewish people who had lived there for millenia (spelling not accurate). There were NO Arabs, there were NO Muslims (obviously).
        NOTE: Up to 1948 ALL Jewish residents of the British Mandate had “PALESTINIAN” stamped in their identity cards!!!!
        Finally, Arafat was born in Egypt. Look it up on Google

  • Blake

    And you are clearly not a historian. Just peddling the lame impostor narrative for the usurpers occupying Palestine.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “And you are clearly not a historian. Just peddling the lame impostor narrative for the usurpers occupying Palestine.”

      Your contribution to the historical record is what? WTF are you talking about? The jihadis have occupied “Palestine” since the 7th century. At best the modern jihadis can trace their heritage back to that. At best.

      Is that what you meant? Otherwise I have no idea what “history” you claim to wish to correct here. Speak up.

      • Blake

        And when the “jihadis” went there they opened up Jerusalem to the Jews again. Clearly you have nothing rational or sane to say. Much like your fraudulent history you have made everything up about your past.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “And when the “jihadis” went there they opened up Jerusalem to the Jews again.”

          Really? Explain how that worked out.

          “Much like your fraudulent history you have made everything up about your past.”

          For example, what?

          • BigsticksWalksoftly

            It’s a known fact in my neck of the woods that Christians and Jews thrived under Muslim rule. It’s also a fact that Jews and Muslims have and still are hated in much of europe. Spanish Inquisition, pogroms, the holocaust?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “It’s a known fact in my neck of the woods that Christians and Jews thrived under Muslim rule.”

            Common sense. Like the moon being made of cheese. I gotcha.

            “It’s also a fact that Jews and Muslims have and still are hated in much of europe. Spanish Inquisition, pogroms, the holocaust?”

            Hate can be found everywhere. It’s a part of the human condition. Sorry about that. At least in the West we value criticism and talk about it a lot more so that we can look for possible solutions. Of course liars take that discourse and exploit it to pose as our betters. I guess you’re one of the liars or one of their dupes.

          • BigsticksWalksoftly

            I agree that hatred and fear is a universal and animal trait we all possess and should be aware of so that we don’t hurt each other physically or mentally. And please don’t try to bully me with your name calling. In the west coast we call it having manners

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “And please don’t try to bully me with your name calling.”

            So legitimate criticism is referred to as “name calling” if you can’t defend yourself on the substance of the accusation? Yeah, I’ve seen that before too.

            “In the west coast we call it having manners”

            No, the sane people call it political correctness and lying. People from the West coast of the USA are merely more passive-aggressive, and not any more polite than any other people, that’s for sure.

          • defcon 4

            Yes because dhimmitude is really freedom isn’t it? You’re quite insane, but islam does that to people.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            It’s a known fact that people love being second class citizens and really thrive under oppression.

            Things only go wrong when they strive for self-rule.

          • alexa44

            It’s a known fact in my neck of the woods that Christians and Jews thrived under Muslim rule

            If by thrived you mean massacared and being dhimmis than I guess you are right.

          • Drakken

            You rag heads are about to have another inquisition in Europe and you will have brought it upon yourselves, thank God the Spanish threw your inbred azzes out of Spain, another purge is coming haji.

          • Blake

            Ersatz. Fake. Much like this piece. Utter rubbish and would never be found in a non fiction section of any library anywhere in the world.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Ersatz. Fake. Much like this piece. Utter rubbish and would never be found in a non fiction section of any library anywhere in the world.”

            You’re as clear as mud. But perhaps with more emphasis your point will be clearer.

        • defcon 4

          THat’s interesting because at one point in the 20th century the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (you know the rabid, Jew hating muslime who lobbied Hitler to start killing Jews) closed the Western Wall to Jews, while the Temple Mount was off-limits to Jews for a long as he reigned supreme.

      • BigsticksWalksoftly

        Genetically mazrahi and even Ashkenazi are more genetically related to present day true to life palestinians then your average American, British, Argentinian reformer. Facts will set you free my good friend

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “Genetically mazrahi and even Ashkenazi are more genetically related to present day true to life palestinians then your average American, British, Argentinian reformer. Facts will set you free my good friend”

          Another bit of trivia from the amazing big stick soft walker.

          What are the genetic requirements for citizenship in some of the great nations of today?

          • BigsticksWalksoftly

            Great point my friend. Currently if you claim to be Jewish and reside in Antarctica you have the legal right to be an israeli citizen. However, if your Grammy got booted out of her home by gun wielding Zionists she can’t go back to her home although under internationally (and USA) recognized laws this should be easy to do. Hate and racism is not something I concur with as an American. It’s called fascism and it puts us Americans in the line of fire unfortunately. It’s not rocket science…violence doesn’t happen in a vacuum

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Great point my friend. Currently if you claim to be Jewish and reside in Antarctica you have the legal right to be an israeli citizen.”

            I thought we were talking about DNA? Now you’re talking about culture and religion. Hmmm. Are you trying to be deceptive or simply repeating talking points?

            “However, if your Grammy got booted out of her home by gun wielding Zionists she can’t go back to her home…”

            So people that start and lose wars don’t get universally placed back even while the war is still raging on? I’m shocked.

            “…although under internationally (and USA) recognized laws this should be easy to do.”

            Sure. It should be easy to do. It should be easy to do lots of things when we have the perfect global sovereign to bring us complete social equality and get rid of the rich capitalist pigs.

            “Hate and racism is not something I concur with as an American.”

            Not overtly.

            “It’s called fascism and it puts us Americans in the line of fire unfortunately.”

            What’s called fascism? Almost anything can be called fascism by lying leftists. It’s turning in to a vague and weak way to try to shame without being specific.

            “It’s not rocket science…violence doesn’t happen in a vacuum”

            You’re working backwards. Nobody claimed that violence happens in a vacuum. Nothing happens in a vacuum. It’s a vacuum. So when did the violence start according to you? Since as we know, it doesn’t start in a vacuum, when did it start? Who started it?

          • defcon 4

            What happened to the Jews of Iraq, Syria, Egypt and the rest of N. Africa again? Does islam0fascist ethnic cleansing ring any bells Hajji?

          • alexa44

            .violence doesn’t happen in a vacuum

            is that why arabs and muslimg were killing Jews long before zionsim

          • Stosh777

            The Arabs in Palestine had anti-Jewish pogroms and riots starting early in the 20th century. After WW II the Arab League threatened to “throw the Jews into the sea” and invaded as soon as the State of Israel was declared in 1948. Please pardon the Jews for defending themselves successfully…and if somebody’s grandmother can’t go back home, that’s too f—ing bad. I don’t see other refugees, like the Sudeten Germans, the Armenians, the Karelian Finns able to go back home either. There is no such thing as a “right of return”, that’s just a propaganda phrase.

        • Blake

          Ashkenaz are Khazars. It even means GERMAN in their own language of Hebrew

          • BigsticksWalksoftly

            Yes this is interesting. DNA tells us a lot about each of us but we should be careful it’s not used as a tool of hate similar to in the recent past

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Actually it’s a biblical reference taken to refer to Germany, which was the point of exile for European Jewish communities.

          • Blake

            Biblical reference? No it means GERMAN in Hebrew. Stop the crock! Now if you want a biblical reference to your origins then here you go: Todays “Jews” are from two sources. The Ashkenaz from Japeth (Genesis 3:10) and the Sephardic (Esau-Edom remnant).

          • Daniel Greenfield
          • Blake

            I have friends who are educators who
            will fail their students for citing wiki in papers.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Idiot,

            Wikipedia is not the “source.” It’s a publisher. The page cited has about 150 footnotes.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            In this case it’s the equivalent of throwing up one’s hands and pointing a very stupid person at Google.

          • Blake

            My how we project as usual. The writer of this really utterly rubbish piece of fiction for the usurpers in Palestine.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            An indigenous population cannot usurp its own land.

          • notalibfool

            “Usurpers in Palestine?” The what should we call the Turks, who occupy areas that were traditionally Greek?

          • Drakken

            The arabs of fakestine didn’t get usurped raghead, they lost the wars they started, to the victors go the spoils. More to come if you keep pushing for your elimination.

          • alexa44

            khazars is used by antisemite.

        • alexa44

          most of the Palestinian immigrated to Palestine from arab countries

    • defcon 4

      I think it’s time for you to pull out your moth eaten flying rug and fly back to whatever islamic paradise you came from.

    • Drakken

      Here let me make this short and sweet for you, the arabs went to war with the jews and bloody lost, to the victors go the spoils and it looks like you effing want a rematch, I say, the jews should give it to you, in spades, and take the rest of whatever you inbred savages are whining about and kick out the rest or put to the sword.

      • Blake

        Defies logic you can start a war with your invaders. Fact is the Palestinians had no army and the British mandate army left them at the mercy of the zionist terrorist gangs and when the Arab armies intervened to stop Palestinians being ethnically cleansed from their homeland long after you started your ethnic cleansing program they were called back by their respective govts in what Gen Pasha described as a “phony war”.

        • Drakken

          Your effing palis friends are not being ethnically cleansed dumbazz, the palis are increasing in population so obviously you flunked lunch much less any math class. put me in charge and I will show you how to get it done. You inbred morons are pushing for your own demise and it will be a good day for everybody when your dead and gone. Deo Volente haji!

        • objectivefactsmatter

          Wow. You really are a complete idiot.

          Who was sovereign when “the Jews” “invaded” “Palestine?”

          Who was the sovereign dipshirt?

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “Fact is the Palestinians had no army and the British mandate army left them at the mercy of the zionist terrorist gangs…”

          What year was this? “Something something 20th century, therefore Arabs are victims” won’t work.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “…when the Arab armies intervened to stop Palestinians being ethnically cleansed from their homeland long after you started your ethnic cleansing program they were called back by their respective govts in what Gen Pasha described as a “phony war”.”

          Did you grow up in some Fakestinian camp listening to jihadi campfire stories?

        • Drakken

          Raghead and logic in the same sentence is an oxymoron. You effing window licking inbred savages bloody well deserve what’s coming.

  • truebearing

    Creative history sure is fun. You can be dating Cleopatra one moment, courting Helen of Troy the next, all while enjoying your status as the Emporer of the Roman Empire, English Empire, and Middle Earth. It’s as easy as owning a Palestinian time machine.

    • moriah steiner

      Lol! Hey, that’s good! ;-) Maybe they need a historian.

      • truebearing

        Thanks.

        The Palestinians need a historian? He better not be an honest one, or he’s dead.

      • MukeNecca

        “Maybe they need a historian.

        They need history first. I think they should hire the author of “Harry Potter” to cobble it together for them.

    • Robert Lande

      Sort of like Walter Mitty?

      • objectivefactsmatter

        Only a lot more blood and treasure involved.

  • blert

    Genetically, the Canaanites live on as the Maltese!

    Going way, way, back, Malta — settled by Phoenicians by way of Carthage — fell into the Roman orbit BEFORE the Hannibal ‘dust-up.’

    Consequently, they were not exterminated by the Romans.

    It’s the only place on this Earth that has such a massive DNA quantum that traces back to the Levant. DNA testing puts the Maltese at 99.5% pure!

    Like Iceland, it’s just one big happy family.

    I’d comment more often, but your site is clogged with java scripts. Keep up the good work!

    • Blake

      Yeah so they all upped and left to live in Malta. Good work? To a loonytune perhaps. Now a sane rational person would say they merely integrated with the various invaders of the land which historians have affirmed.

      • Daniel Greenfield

        Considering that the Arab conquests came at a far later date, that would still not turn the Arabs into the Caananites.

        • Blake

          No one is saying Arabs are Canaanites and you are the ones faking your history if anyone is. The amount of Arabs that went to Palestine was small in number and they merely integrated with the locals like all the invaders of the past. Its common sense.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            The amount of Arabs was quite large. They didn’t integrate with the locals. They displaced them and still are.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Its common sense.”

            Everything you say is “common sense” to certain people of certain worldviews.

  • objectivefactsmatter

    I think I’ll apply for UN status as my own nation. It seems fun. No real limits it seems.

    • CaoMoo

      Yeah just think of the sweet foreign aid

  • ObamaYoMoma

    It’s worse, because the Arab conquests took place at a much later date.

    It’s amazing how the Islamic world that is waging a perpetual jihad not only against just the infidels in Israel, but also indeed all religions and all infidels throughout the world as well, morph into mere Arabs as opposed to Muslims when it comes to Israel. Not only that, but the Islamic conquest also somehow morphs into the Arab conquest as well. No wonder so many people in the world hate the state of Israel; it’s because they remain totally confused thanks to articles like this one.

    Nothing says freedom like a totalitarian state whose leaders arrest critics and refuse to hold elections.

    Uhm….what Islamic state isn’t a totalitarian hellhole or in the process of being turned into one? Oh that’s right, the Palestinian State is an Arab state. Sorry, I forgot.

    In any event, the mural is an example of non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad, i.e., taqiyya, used in this case to dupe gullible useful idiot infidels, so that they will believe that the land belonged to the so-called Palestinians before those dastardly Jews stole it from them. Nevertheless, the jihad being waged against Israel by the Islamic world is no different from the larger global jihad at large, as it is ultimately to make Islam supreme.

    • BigsticksWalksoftly

      It’s not rocket science. Islamaphobia will get you no where. Your confusion lies in mixing up palestinian nationalism with Islamist backlash. Exactly what the new back room boys of bush had in mind maybe? Sorry to break it to you but al Qaeda don’t operate in palestine. They’re from Saudi. I wonder why we didn’t invade them?

      • ObamaYoMoma

        You have repeatedly demonstrated that you don’t have a clue and that you are an incredibly mentally incompetent gullible useful idiot. By the way, in my book, GWB was almost but not quite as dumb and mentally deficient as you are.

  • muchiboy

    On a pro Israel,pro Zionist site such as this,with an intimate understanding of Jewish and Holocaust suffering,memory and experience,one would think,no,that is too strong a word here,one would hope that the thinkers and posters would know the dangers of DENIAL.Really,you share an agenda dangerously similar to Holocaust deniers.And even more dangerously,you have no idea,showing a lethal flaw in your thinking..

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “Really,you share an agenda dangerously similar to Holocaust deniers.”

      Denial of what? Denial of lies is laudable.

      “Furthermore,one could point out that most Israeli’s were European immigrants or descendants who spoke a European language and Yiddish.I suspect an onlooker pokeing about in early Israeli political and intellectual circles or discussions might be excused for thinking he was in a European capital,given the names,languages,accents and backgrounds present.Ironically,if there is any substance in your charge,Palestinian nationhood owes it’s existance to the Nakba and was formented and forged in the Palestinian refugee camps,the ugly and shameful sequalae to the occupation of Palestine by the mostly European Diaspora,the displacement of the indiginous Palestinian Arab,both Christian and Muslim,and the ethnic cleansing,de facto or otherwise,of the Palestinians,denied their natural right of return as war refugees.”

      Sure, OK. The Palestinian problems were brought upon them by their failed leaders and dysfunctional backwards culture. Although some sophisticated individuals certainly existed, nobody successfully created a true national movement. It’s a (barely) stealth jihad.

      • BigsticksWalksoftly

        Agrarian based cultures tend to look backwards to urban elitists who are colonizers

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “Agrarian based cultures tend to look backwards to urban elitists who are colonizers”

          That’s called a point of view. If push comes to shove, the only way to answer that question is to see who wins sovereignty.

          Wait. Is “colonizer” supposed to be a pejorative in any context? Where did I leave my shame?! It’s got to be around here somewhere. I just don’t always react to the language of political correctness rhetoric the way I’m “supposed” to.

          If I had a hammer,
          I’d hammer in the morning,
          I’d hammer in the evening,
          All over this land,
          I’d hammer out danger,
          I’d hammer out a warning,
          I’d hammer out love between,
          My brothers and my sisters,
          All over this land.

          If I had a bell,
          I’d ring it in the morning,
          I’d ring it in the evening,
          All over this land,
          I’d ring out danger,
          I’d ring out a warning,
          I’d ring out love between,
          My brothers and my sisters,
          All over this land.

          If I had a song
          I’d sing it in the morning
          I’d sing it in the evening
          all over this land
          I’d sing out danger
          I’d sing out warning
          I’d sing out love between
          my brothers and my sisters
          all over this land

          Well, I’ve got a hammer
          and I’ve got a bell
          and I’ve got a song to sing
          all over this land
          It’s the hammer of justice
          It’s the bell of freedom
          It’s a song about love between my
          brothers and my sisters
          all over this land

          It’s the hammer of justice
          It’s the bell of freedom
          It’s a song about love between my brothers and my sisters
          All over this la-a-and

          Just let peace reign! Come on you guys! Just be nicer and the world will naturally gravitate towards peaceful harmony. Or perhaps we need a global communist sovereign, something like that.

          That’s my contribution for the day. What have you done for organic peace and harmony in the world? Hmm?

          • BigsticksWalksoftly

            I respect farmers just as much as your average wall streeter or main streeter. Nice poem I will have to share if you don’t mind

          • objectivefactsmatter

            It’s fine to sing to kids. But if you don’t teach them useful ways to establish a peaceful sovereign, it’s just a bunch of delusional BS.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      Muchiboy…you still punctuate like an unhinged loon. Indeed, how come when every one else punctuates, they leave a space after their punctuation except for you? In any event, if anyone is a gullible useful idiot that visits this site, it is you, as you are one of the biggest and most gullible of all!

      Anyway, the so-called Palestinians are the proxies of the greater Islamic world and they are dedicated to subjugating the infidels in Israel into Islamic totalitarianism via both violent and non-violent jihad and the eventual imposition of Sharia (Islamic totalitarian law) to ultimately make Islam supreme, just like the greater Islamic world at large is also waging a jihad (holy war) against all religions and all infidels throughout the world to also ultimately make Islam supreme. Thus, the fiction that is the so-called Palestinians is a form non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad, i.e., taqiyya, used to dupe gullible useful idiot infidels like you into betraying their fellow infidels in Israel.

      In any event, nobody is denying the truth except for you. Indeed, you have always been one of the biggest antisemitic bigots to ever grace these web pages, which is also your main reason for visiting these web pages.

      Furthermore, the fiction of the so-called Palestinian people is no less a fiction than the fiction that the Pakistanis need nuclear weapons to protect themselves from the infidels in India. However, just like the so-called Palestinians are the proxies and the aggressors for the Islamic world that are waging jihad (holy war) against the infidels in Israel, the Pakistanis are the proxies and the aggressors for the Islamic world that are waging jihad against the infidels in India to you guessed it, ultimately make Islam supreme. Indeed, open your unhinged narrow mind and take a global look around the world, the Islamic world is waging jihad (holy war) against all religions and all infidels throughout the world again to ultimately make Islam supreme. Of course, you can’t ever admit the truth, because you would have to also admit at the same time that you have been a very gullible useful idiot for most of your miserable life.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      Actually most Israelis today are descendants of Arabic speakers. But thanks for playing.

      • BigsticksWalksoftly

        Israeli Jews of arabic origin are called mazrahi and come from all over especially Iraq, Yemen morocco etc. unfortunately they are treated as 2nd class citizens by their own people’s which, I guess, is better than how they tend to treat their Ethiopian Jewish peoples (3rd class), Druze (4th class), and the Palestinians . Sorry my inner Archie bunker just came out

        • Daniel Greenfield

          The word you’re looking for is Mizrahi.

          Israel, like most other countries, including the UK, does have its internal social issues. But it doesn’t change the fact that the majority of Israel’s population is Mizrahi/Sefardi.

        • alexa44

          2nd class citizen? care to give us some examples?

  • BigsticksWalksoftly

    Yaaaay an islamophobic website posing as truth. I’ve never seen so many bigots cowardly posing behind the safety of a keyboard. As an American I find it appalling at the unconditional support of apartheid Israel and unconditional hatred of Palestinians. FACT: upwards of 20% of Palestinians are NOT Muslim. Mind blowing ain’t it. Unless you thought slavery was cool, apartheid was awesome, what hitler did to Jews, poles, gays, gypsies, etc was admirable then I don’t understand. Violence doesn’t happen in a vacuum and racism is learned. It’s not rocket science. Free Palestine.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “FACT: upwards of 20% of Palestinians are NOT Muslim. Mind blowing ain’t it.”

      That’s an earth shattering revelation. So it’s not about jihad? OK. I guess only 80% of the population have any reason to believe Allah wants them to kill the Jews.

      With that news registered I can breathe a sigh of relief. Whew! How could I have been so “Islam-o-phobic?” Mind-blowing.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      Speaking of those non-Muslim Arab “Palestinians”… they’re getting out and being squeezed out by Muslims.

    • kate5778b

      Nothing ‘phobic’ about being afraid of a warlord who thought he heard from a god that he had to subjugate the whole world for allah by striking terror into the heart of unbelivers and chopping bits off them – common sense, really.

      I find it appalling that people sing Christmas carols every year or at least listen to them, yet think Jesus is a Palestinian, when it didn’t come into existence until 135 years after Jesus the Jew from the tribe of Judah was born in Bethlehem, purportedly in manger square where it is Judenrein.

    • Drakken

      Your not American, your a raghead muslim loving collaborating Quisling. Eff fakestine and finally give those inbred arabs what they deserve, Carthage!

  • blert

    Blake:

    “Yeah so they all upped and left to live in Malta. Good work? To a loonytune perhaps. Now a sane rational person would say they merely integrated with the various invaders of the land which historians have affirmed.”

    Serious reading comprehension issues:

    Sole surviving genetic outpost is conflated with what?…

    They all “upped and left”?

    BTW, DNA pretty much affirms that only TRACE amounts of Phoenician/ Canaanite DNA is left in the Levant. That is, they got wiped out in the old homestead. Intermarriage, apparently, scarcely happened.
    All that is left is one branch of the ancient clan, which branched off in ages ago.

    I strongly suspect that the Phoenicians experienced the Carthaginian end game, too. This is the same culture that gave the world crucifixions — and carnivals. While long credited with an early alphabet, who can say when and where that first happened?

  • PAthena

    The Arabs who call themselves “Palestinians” are also engaged in another history rewrite. The name “Palestine” meant “land of the Jews” from the time that the Roman Emperor Hadrian changed the name of Judea to “Palestina” in 135 A.D., after he had defeated the last Jewish rebellion under Bar Kochba. He changed the name to eradicate all memory of Judea; he also outlawed Judaism and renamed Jerusalem “Aelia Capitolina,” his gens name being “Aelius.”
    After World War I, Great Britain was awarded the “Palestine Mandate” to be “the homeland of the Jews.” “Palestinian” was synonymous with “Jew.’
    Calling Arab haters of Jews “Palestinians” is the consequence of Soviet propaganda.. In Cairo, Gamal Nasser, ruler of Egypt, and the Soviet Union, formed the “Palestine Liberation Organization” (P.L.O.). It came to fame when it massacred the Israeli athletes at the Olympic Games n Munich in 1972. Since then these Arabs have called themselves “Palestinians,” with all the phoney history and propaganda associated with it.

    • Saufsoldat

      At last, someone who studies history and makes their mind accordingly – instead of cherrypicking pretty headlines from popular newspapers. I’d take my hat off if I worn any…

  • defcon 4

    Are they any synagogues still standing in Gaza? Are Jews still allowed to even live in Gaza?

  • Naram-Sin

    There is a strong connection between the ancient Cananites and modern Palestinians and Muslims generally. And that is the love of human sacrifice. Can anyone describe sawing off the head of an infedel while chanting “allah hu akbar” as anything different. Of course there is also strapping bombs on your children and giving them as martyrs to allah. Child sacrifice was another hallmark of Cananite culture.

    • kate5778b

      Unfortunately Mo wrote in the koran that Israel was given the promised land by Allah…..ooer!

  • Daniel Greenfield

    Palmach was a subgroup of the Haganah. The rest of your rantings are just as stupid and ignorant.

  • Viking.

    Mohammed didn’t like art. Where did the Jews come from and who lived there before they conquered the land they call Israel. Right is might, the English came to Britain, the European Americans to America, no one can dispute that they now own the lands that they occupy.

  • Jake-a-runi

    Who says their technical backwardness prevents inventive contributions to the world’s accumulated store of wonders? Just lookee here! A temporal pogo stick, vaulting the centuries, completely self-contained and without drawing a single milliwatt from our overtaxed power grid!! Top that, you un-turbaned twits!!

  • iluvisrael

    you must be a weak little girl if Jews hold so much power over you milquetoast

  • BigsticksWalksoftly

    Read Herzl’s work. 1st pillar of Zionism is in line with this type of exceptional ism. The great israeli author, israel Shahak highlights in his book the hatred that inspired the Zionist take over of palestine. Unfortunately more Zionists collaborated with the nazis then Italy. In the end the Zionist and hitler achieved their goals in the short term. Look up Irgun palmach haganah nazi collaborating and stern gang. All internationally recognized terror groups that ran rampant 30 years before palestinian freedom fighting started