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		<title>By: Kevin Bjornson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Bjornson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Nov 2013 22:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Human life without religion does not have to be meaningless. Human life with religion can be meaningless. 

There are many sources of meaning. The right ones are in accord with reason and human nature; this constitutes humanism. The wrong ones are in accord with religion (or some type of faith system) and to the extent they are based on revelation, are opposed to humanism. 

Ordinary human life does not involve revelation and revelation works against the good life.. So Daniel&#039;s proposed fusion between them makes no sense and is unprecedented.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Human life without religion does not have to be meaningless. Human life with religion can be meaningless. </p>
<p>There are many sources of meaning. The right ones are in accord with reason and human nature; this constitutes humanism. The wrong ones are in accord with religion (or some type of faith system) and to the extent they are based on revelation, are opposed to humanism. </p>
<p>Ordinary human life does not involve revelation and revelation works against the good life.. So Daniel&#8217;s proposed fusion between them makes no sense and is unprecedented.</p>
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		<title>By: churchill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[churchill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Nov 2013 11:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[tickletic

I am a Christian sinner seeking to discern God&#039;s will.

In my prayers, I forbear to ask God for things since I feel I am not worthy. Your words have help me understand that my pain and my wishes for myself are &quot; just excuses to talk to Hashem about something with genuine heart.&quot;



I am also coming to terms with a considerable paradox, which is: I get more insight from many Jewish - and particularly Orthodox - writers and thinkers than Christian ones.


I can only conclude that several thousand years of oppression must count for something, I suppose. Had my own ancestors schlepped around Sinai for forty years, seeking the answers to important existential issues whilst starving to death, my own culture might exhibit a little more genuine insight.


I love to read Greenfield&#039;s stuff and now i can look for your contributions as well.


Thank you.


c]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tickletic</p>
<p>I am a Christian sinner seeking to discern God&#8217;s will.</p>
<p>In my prayers, I forbear to ask God for things since I feel I am not worthy. Your words have help me understand that my pain and my wishes for myself are &#8221; just excuses to talk to Hashem about something with genuine heart.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am also coming to terms with a considerable paradox, which is: I get more insight from many Jewish &#8211; and particularly Orthodox &#8211; writers and thinkers than Christian ones.</p>
<p>I can only conclude that several thousand years of oppression must count for something, I suppose. Had my own ancestors schlepped around Sinai for forty years, seeking the answers to important existential issues whilst starving to death, my own culture might exhibit a little more genuine insight.</p>
<p>I love to read Greenfield&#8217;s stuff and now i can look for your contributions as well.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>c</p>
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		<title>By: churchill</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Nov 2013 10:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chavi Beck</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chavi Beck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Nov 2013 00:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;a spiritual life separate from social condition&quot; -- so true. I live in a hassidic community in Brooklyn and I like to describe my neighborhood as the only one I&#039;ve ever heard of that is not organized by income level. In a (big) way I think it makes you more human.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a spiritual life separate from social condition&#8221; &#8212; so true. I live in a hassidic community in Brooklyn and I like to describe my neighborhood as the only one I&#8217;ve ever heard of that is not organized by income level. In a (big) way I think it makes you more human.</p>
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		<title>By: Chavi Beck</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chavi Beck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Nov 2013 00:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bingo. Bookmarking this article. Thanks Daniel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bingo. Bookmarking this article. Thanks Daniel.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Greenfield</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Greenfield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2013 20:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It goes back to the efforts to create a Judaism that would be the counterpart of liberal protestant churches and in some ways be indistinguishable from them



Mission accomplished]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It goes back to the efforts to create a Judaism that would be the counterpart of liberal protestant churches and in some ways be indistinguishable from them</p>
<p>Mission accomplished</p>
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		<title>By: Habbgun</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Habbgun]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2013 18:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I come from a non-religious family but at least they identified as Jews. I have embraced Orthodoxy and can tell you why Conservative and Reform are doomed to fail if someone wants them to be an alternate way to spirituality. 



Despite all the craziness and hypocrisy you can get in religious communities ultimately halachic Judaism speaks to each Jew about their relationship with Hashem and the world. Reform and Conservative Judaism speak of the need to conform to economic pressures incurred by those determined to succeed at any price. They both say they are responding to demographic pressures but in those societies money talks. There is nothing lonelier than being a true believer in those places and going through tough economic times. There is no place for such a person. They drop out forever. What R and C Judaism see as an intense failure of Orthodox Judaism is its strength. R and C see people in poverty or working poor and see a tragedy. Not so. Poor people hold on and try for better times just as their ancestors did. Orthodox Judaism does what R and C can not. They give people a spiritual life separate from social condition, This is something that rich, middle class and poor alike appreciate.


The most telling conclusion in the whole report is that they believe Orthodoxy is increasing because of greater tolerance. Twenty minutes ago Orthodoxy supposedly only succeeded because antisemitism prevented Jews from having greater horizons. They aren&#039;t even lying. They can&#039;t see that social conditions are not the final arbitrators of everything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I come from a non-religious family but at least they identified as Jews. I have embraced Orthodoxy and can tell you why Conservative and Reform are doomed to fail if someone wants them to be an alternate way to spirituality. </p>
<p>Despite all the craziness and hypocrisy you can get in religious communities ultimately halachic Judaism speaks to each Jew about their relationship with Hashem and the world. Reform and Conservative Judaism speak of the need to conform to economic pressures incurred by those determined to succeed at any price. They both say they are responding to demographic pressures but in those societies money talks. There is nothing lonelier than being a true believer in those places and going through tough economic times. There is no place for such a person. They drop out forever. What R and C Judaism see as an intense failure of Orthodox Judaism is its strength. R and C see people in poverty or working poor and see a tragedy. Not so. Poor people hold on and try for better times just as their ancestors did. Orthodox Judaism does what R and C can not. They give people a spiritual life separate from social condition, This is something that rich, middle class and poor alike appreciate.</p>
<p>The most telling conclusion in the whole report is that they believe Orthodoxy is increasing because of greater tolerance. Twenty minutes ago Orthodoxy supposedly only succeeded because antisemitism prevented Jews from having greater horizons. They aren&#8217;t even lying. They can&#8217;t see that social conditions are not the final arbitrators of everything.</p>
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		<title>By: tickletik</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tickletik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2013 17:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Correction, you actually do have to go looking for happiness to become happy.  What most people do is something else.


There is basically only one possible way to be happy.  Look at every single thing in your life and APPRECIATE IT AS A GOOD THING THAT YOU DON&#039;T REALLY DESERVE - i.e. A GIFT OF LOVE FROM A FATHER WHO LOVES YOU, YOU WONDERFUL KNUCKLEHEADS!!!!!!


The more we study every single good thing we have, and why and how it is good, and how it is all totally free, the more happy we get.  When I realize what a jerk I&#039;ve been, and how good I have it, I realize that Hashem must really really like me!


That is the secret to happiness.  I mostly got it from Avigdor Miller and Rabbi Nachman of Breslov.


Also, like anything else you want success at, it&#039;s important to talk to Hashem about it regularly and ask Him to help you with it.  Remember, most of our needs in this world are really just excuses to talk to Hashem about something with genuine heart.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction, you actually do have to go looking for happiness to become happy.  What most people do is something else.</p>
<p>There is basically only one possible way to be happy.  Look at every single thing in your life and APPRECIATE IT AS A GOOD THING THAT YOU DON&#8217;T REALLY DESERVE &#8211; i.e. A GIFT OF LOVE FROM A FATHER WHO LOVES YOU, YOU WONDERFUL KNUCKLEHEADS!!!!!!</p>
<p>The more we study every single good thing we have, and why and how it is good, and how it is all totally free, the more happy we get.  When I realize what a jerk I&#8217;ve been, and how good I have it, I realize that Hashem must really really like me!</p>
<p>That is the secret to happiness.  I mostly got it from Avigdor Miller and Rabbi Nachman of Breslov.</p>
<p>Also, like anything else you want success at, it&#8217;s important to talk to Hashem about it regularly and ask Him to help you with it.  Remember, most of our needs in this world are really just excuses to talk to Hashem about something with genuine heart.</p>
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		<title>By: LibertarianToo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LibertarianToo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2013 15:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nail on the head once again, Mr. Greenfield. I was talking to a woman from Georgetown U, and it became clear that she did not accept the divinity of Jesus -which seems kind of essential if one is a Catholic or Christian. I asked why she thought Jesus had lived, and she said &quot;to let us know God is there,&quot; which would seem somewhat unconvincing given the crucifixion and all. But it does begin to explain why Georgetown is like it is  -more interested in Gay Pride than in the fundamentals of faith, and willing to cover up crosses for Obama photo ops.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nail on the head once again, Mr. Greenfield. I was talking to a woman from Georgetown U, and it became clear that she did not accept the divinity of Jesus -which seems kind of essential if one is a Catholic or Christian. I asked why she thought Jesus had lived, and she said &#8220;to let us know God is there,&#8221; which would seem somewhat unconvincing given the crucifixion and all. But it does begin to explain why Georgetown is like it is  -more interested in Gay Pride than in the fundamentals of faith, and willing to cover up crosses for Obama photo ops.</p>
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