Post Birth Abortion: Planned Parenthood Rep Claims Right to Kill Babies After Birth


Forget all that, “Her body, her choice” nonsense. Abortion isn’t about women’s rights. It’s about eugenics. It’s about killing unwanted children any time and any place. It’s about normalizing and making everyone complicit in mass murder of unwanted people at some level either by carrying it out, paying for it or agreeing with it.

Florida legislators considering a bill to require abortionists to provide medical care to an infant who survives an abortion were shocked during a committee hearing this week when a Planned Parenthood official endorsed a right to post-birth abortion.

Alisa Laport Snow, the lobbyist representing the Florida Alliance of Planned Parenthood Affiliates, testified that her organization believes the decision to kill an infant who survives a failed abortion should be left up to the woman seeking an abortion and her abortion doctor.

“So, um, it is just really hard for me to even ask you this question because I’m almost in disbelief,” said Rep. Jim Boyd. “If a baby is born on a table as a result of a botched abortion, what would Planned Parenthood want to have happen to that child that is struggling for life?”

“We believe that any decision that’s made should be left up to the woman, her family, and the physician,” said Planned Parenthood lobbyist Snow.

Rep. Daniel Davis then asked Snow, “What happens in a situation where a baby is alive, breathing on a table, moving. What do your physicians do at that point?”

“I do not have that information,” Snow replied. “I am not a physician, I am not an abortion provider. So I do not have that information.”

Rep. Jose Oliva followed up, asking the Planned Parenthood official, “You stated that a baby born alive on a table as a result of a botched abortion that that decision should be left to the doctor and the family. Is that what you’re saying?”

Again, Snow replied, “That decision should be between the patient and the health care provider.”

“I think that at that point the patient would be the child struggling on the table, wouldn’t you agree?” asked Oliva.

“That’s a very good question. I really don’t know how to answer that,” Snow said. “I would be glad to have some more conversations with you about this.”

Later another representative asked Snow, “What objection could you possibly have to obligate a doctor to transport a child born alive to a hospital where it seems to me they would be most likely to be able to survive?”

Snow said Planned Parenthood was concerned about “those situations where it is in a rural health care setting, the hospital is 45 minutes or an hour away, that’s the closest trauma center or emergency room. You know there’s just some logistical issues involved that we have some concerns about.”

And those logistical issues are best resolved with a murder.

  • HCQ

    "It’s about normalizing and making everyone complicit in mass murder of unwanted people at some level either by carrying it out, paying for it or agreeing with it."

    Word.

  • Toni_Pereira

    The fact that peter singer and his ilk have influence in our society says a lot about our mental hinterland…

  • dymphnagates

    Eloquent as usual, Mr. Greenfield. This is a subset of the larger disrespect for HUMAN life (while we spend millions protecting, say, the snail darter) that will grow with the ballooning of euthanasia as the Boomers exit stage left.- pardon me- are pulled off the stage, period.

    The irony is that among the missing , i.e., those babies aborted in the name of some faux freedom, would likely have been a large number of nursing home attendants who'd be there to assist them in their final years. It's for sure these purported Planners of Parenthood-not won't have grown children who care about *their* euthanization.

    Sometimes the Karma Dude laughs out loud.

  • figment newton

    >>And those logistical issues are best resolved with a murder.

    In liberal world killing a baby is preferable to bringing a baby into this world to live a life of poverty.
    http://liberallogic101.com/wp-content/uploads/201

  • Edward Cline

    Daniel: You ought to be ashamed of yourself for penning this column. This is not you at your best. No, we won't forget "Her body, her choice." It's not "nonsense." There we have in that video (which I watched in its entirety) a woman being literally badgered by politicians asking loaded questions. Every one of them tried to coax out of her some confession that she condones "murder." No one queries the woman about the term or trimester in which an abortion has been performed, for example. Was it at four months? Six months? Seven? Eight? And what is the physical condition of the "baby on the table"? Is it damaged? Is it an unsalvageable "preemie?" Was it going to be born defective, mentally or physically? Is it crying? Is it really a "patient on the table," as the one snarky panelist remarked? There is a multitude of other issues appended to the abortion issue. Daniel, you very rarely drop context in your columns, but you did on this one and just went emotional, and stooped to the lowest tactics of the lowest New York Times reporter.

    • VARoss

      The fact you even have to ask such questions as qualifiers to whether a living breathing baby should be treated shows how pathetic and lowlife you are. Wow… sickening. Merely reading your screed makes me need a shower. Too damned bad your mother did not abort you, as you are obviously mentally, morally, and emotionally defective in many ways.

      • Wil

        Those are perfectly legitimate questions Edward…unfortunately you came to a site in which the main users are obviously the type that think everything is black and white and would prefer not to hear about specifics so that they can go on pretending to have some moral high ground over a very large grey area.

      • Edward Cline

        Why does the myth persist that Christians are the most benevolent, loving, tolerant people on the face of the earth? VaRoss and Raymond, you should let Daniel Greenfield reply to me. Your own responses are just too full of bile and hatred for me to take seriously. Daniel has an intellect, and an active one. Most of you Christians and ghost-believers here can't make that claim.

        • Mary Sue

          why does the myth persist that leftists are the most benevolent, loving, tolerant people on the face of the earth?

        • Judahlevi

          Unfortunately, Mr. Cline, your comments are too full of "bile and hatred" of Christians and "ghost believers" whatever that is. Hypocrisy is never a winning argument – or even a sign of much intelligence. If Daniel has intellect as you say, he would know better than to respond to one such as yourself.

          • Richard_Malley

            A "ghost-believer" is someone who believes in ghosts.

        • izamication

          Okay Edward, name calling aside (from both sides), I am open to legitimately hear both sides of the arguement. I know where I stand, but it is unwise, unintelligent, imature, and foolish to not stop and respectfully listen to the opposing arguement. You say that Ms. Snow is bombarded with loaded questions. Now, I'm not a supporter of abortion in any way shape or form. Pre-birth abortion seems to be a massively grey-area for America though. But I do genuinely ask you to explain to me why post-birth abortion is not black and white. Why is condoning post-birth abortion not condoning murder? Good or bad physical condition, crying or not crying, premature or not…..isn't it still a born baby? My brother-in-law was 3 months premature. He definitely had little to no expectency to live, yet he is now alive, well, and a highly-inelligent 25-year-old man. Who is mankind to judge wether a baby is worth attempting to treat or not?

          The main question is though…..isn't killing a born baby murder? What is your view?

    • Raymond

      Edward, what you seen in the video and what I seen were two different things. It was like trying to pull teeth to get this lady to say what she really believes, although at one point she thought she would like to have a conversation about the potential the new-born on the table has of being a bonafide patient who deserved to be allowed to live. Personally, I am repulsed to think that someone would put themselves in that position to have to make such a decision. It seems you too have second thoughts about the worth of this new life. Somehow, you would like to know all about it so you could judge whether it's worth saving or not. Excuse me. I have to go and vomit.

    • Rae

      Let me start out by saying that not one person should believe him or herself to be "higher" than the other, although it is counted for amongst many people in our world. But also, I do like to research many types of religions and cultures. I find it all very fascinating and believe myself to be open for what other people may or may not believe. However, I do not understand how there can be people who are so willing to kill a life and not call it murder. There are more people who are against animal abuse and turn vegan or vegetarian because they are so horrified by eating animals who were innocent but still killed. I don't see how any of this logically adds up. Why are people not as mortified to hear about babies being killed, whether it is in the womb or out? Scientists are baffled all the time by new living creatures, even the tiniest molecules and organisms that they find through a microscope and call it a life worth living. Why is it so bad that people would rather see the black and white? When people begin to debate on the gray matter, where the will out morals lead? Edward, you believe this woman was being "badgered" by "loaded questions". I believe if she wants to question, debate, or make a new law, she indeed should be questioned through and through to understand all intentions and follow throughs. You are so skeptical of other people disagreeing with something you believe should be fine, yet are not taking the time to ask why those people would be so skeptical of the point of view on which you are agreeing with.
      So what if people believe in God or ghosts, Buddha, Satan whatever… It's about innocent lives at stake. And if that doesn't get you going then I'm not surprised you have people like VARoss saying its too bad you weren't the one aborted.

  • http://twitter.com/quillerm @quillerm

    How about killing kids up to the age of 18. or whenever they can afford a lawyer to protect themselves from termination, which ever comes last.

  • VLParker

    What's so surprising about that? As an Illinois state senator Obama voted three times not to give care to infants that survived botched abortion attempts. Go to http://www.jillstanek.com and click in the upper right corner of the homepage on Obama's mug and read what went on at the hospital where Jill Stanek worked.

    And no, Edward Cline, most (not all) of these infants were not viable. They were living children struggling to take their last breaths because some butcher with the same opinion as you considered them a lump of tissue. Sick.

    • Raymond

      But somehow, Obama would have us believe he has compassion after babies grow into young children. Colder than stone, people.

  • gee59

    But at the same time the government wants to ensure that poor people don't get birth control. Let's be honest it's got to be one or the other – abortion or birth control. Somehow the same people that oppose abortion oppose birth control.

    And who is going to raise these children – we have millions of unwanted children in the system now – are you going to adopt them, if not why not?

    • Mary Sue

      there is actually a shortage of children to adopt.

      • figment

        Right. the bureaucracy and cost to adopt – esp from a foreign country is so that adoption is rare.

        What people are opposing birth control ?

        It's not the opposition of birth control – it's BEING FORCED TO PAY FOR IT FOR OTHERS,
        as well as being forced to pay for welfare queens that have children with multiple partners BECAUSE THEY ARE REWARDED BY THE SYSTEM FOR DOING SO, in order to pad the voter base.

        **this reponse is more to gee59**

        • gee59

          And the Republican party has led the charge over both abortion and birth control.

          You may not want to pay for it – but how much are you willing to put up for raising unwanted children? It will cost the government regardless – the costs are very different.

          You tell me.

          • figment newton

            "- but how much are you willing to put up for raising unwanted children?"
            I don't have a choice in the matter, my tax dollars are redistributed to pay for someone else's mistake.

            "it will cost the govt regardless"

            WHO funds the govt? It produces nothing. It redistributes from makers to takers.

        • Worksinthesystem

          The welfare system does not reward recipients for having children. Granted, they are allowed more funds for more children, but they are forced to job hunt or go to school in return for the funds. Welfare is no longer just handed out to recipients for having babies. There is also a limit on the number of months a recipient can receive assistance, regardless of the number or age of her children.

      • gee59

        Is there – funny according to ABC there are 520,000 American children in Foster Care and more than 2 million in orphanages in America. How many have you taken in?

  • pinnie

    Pro choice?? Live Birth? There is no defense of this..Its murder. < You may quarrel about "life sustaining fetus"…all you want…but a live birth> this is willful murder….Get yourself "neutured"if you have no self control. This issue has dragged an entire nation down..to a dispicable level.

  • Joe Wright

    I believe that a "baby" upon total separation from its mother has gained all rights to independent existence. In other words, it has a right to live.

    However, prior to such separation, the fetus, which is not a baby, has no rights at all. It is nothing more than fetal matter and has no more rights than fecal matter or one's big toe.

    • Mary Sue

      someone doesn't understand biology!

      • John Rhys Davies

        haha hey, remember that time in the womb when you were like, totally conscious and knew what was happening?

        • figment newton

          yeah, funny how those pseudo intellectuals who scream about their rights to control their own body and kill any fetus that dares implant not at THEIR convenience, YET

          have fetal bump parties and play music to their swollen bellies so that they can give birth to smarter babies.

          hypocrisy is thy name

          • John Rhys Davies

            Yeah, because I totally said I believe that…
            Don't call me a hypocrite, if there's one thing I strive for it's continuity.
            That being said, subconscious is very different than actual consciousness.
            My parents listened to a lot of terrible music when I was in the womb, I know that because they told me what they used to listen to, not because I was subjected to it and thought 'Wow, Jimmy Buffett sounds like a brutal cow insemination '
            THAT being said, there's no evidence to support the conclusion that fetuses will be smarter if subjected to music, it seems idiotic to me to believe something like that. (Babies, yes. Fetuses, no.) I'd tell that to anybody regardless of their stance on abortion.
            However, music DOES have an effect on the MOTHER, a calming one generally, which could cause a healthier fetus physically and otherwise.
            Do you want more information? No?
            Well here's more anyways: If a mother believed that she was somehow causing the fetus to become smarter through playing music to it, she might be obliged to push the child to intellectual feats in early childhood with the expectation that he will perform better. This could have the lucky consequence of actually making him smarter. But that's happening AFTER birth.
            Do you care? I wouldn't have past the first three sentences.
            Why am I still typing? I'm chasing the hopeless dream of creating a nation of educated individuals.
            I'd feel better if you apologized for calling me a hypocrite, but I'm not optimistic that you'll accept these facts or my opinion.
            Source: there's nothing pseudo about me.

            Much love and happiness

          • Richard_Malley

            I'd like to add that being unconscious while sleeping is different than being un"conscious" while being an animal. I.E. free thought vs. instinct

  • Mary Sue

    note how they parrot the 'woman and her doctor, woman and her doctor' line as if it's still a fetus! PP Cowards.

  • RUI

    Disgusting. So called pro-choicers are usually against all other kinds of choices, like gun ownership, the choice to eat fatty foods and drink large sodas, plastic bags and non-prius cars.And all the while forgetting that the only "choice" at stake here is precisely the only life that is incapable of choice.

    It's a bit like saying the Holocaust was a pro-choice event: the nazis "chose" to euthanize the Jews. I bet that if the Jews had had a "choice", they would have decided differently. It's murder anyway you slice it.

  • LadyMoonlight

    This article is a year old, however, time does not change what the "ethicists" stated.
    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/ind

    I think that when a pre-born baby is seen as something without rights, a thing to be disposed of, something akin to a parasite infecting a woman's body, a clump of cells that have no more humanity than a toe nail clipping, then society has surely lost its way. Society is going down a path littered with murdered souls and with many women who must, in their minds and hearts, regret their decision to kill a pre-born human, quietly sobbing. Tis a dark path without the spark of light that makes humans human.

    • Mary Sue

      it's worse than that. Radical Feminism (and even standard boilerplate feminism) demands the sacrifice of the Unborn because the Unborn are shackles, literally, to them. Fetuses are just another way to control women by men, in their minds. Like, when a society proclaims that women cannot truly be liberated until they are free to murder their fetuses at-will, the light's not only gone out, it ain't coming back on.

    • Gallant McClusky

      A cow is smarter than a human fetus, and we grind them up and eat them.

      • Daniel Greenfield

        A human fetus becomes smarter than you. What does a cow ever become?

        By your argument we can kill sleeping people because they are not currently conscious of anything.

        • Richard_Malley

          Well if you were going to kill somebody I guess that would be the moral way to do it, yes.
          After all, its not illegal to pull the plug on a coma patient.
          The difference is that one has never been conscious, and the other has been conscious before, understands his own existence, and is liable to wake up and be conscious again mid-killing.
          I didn't even know what death was until I was about three, I didn't realize that one day I myself will die until about 4.
          A fetus doesn't understand any of that, and cannot even begin to comprehend its own existence.

  • Mary Sue

    is it just me or does the woman in the video look like sandra fluke

  • Edward Cline

    To all you irrational, emotionalist, religious, anti-abortion readers here, you reveal your own bile and hatred for reason and individual rights. Obviously legislators in this video weren't interested in facts, not even medical facts. They were only interested in indicting the woman and abortionists and women who want an abortion for "murder," who were all deemed guilty before the hearing convened. This was a witch hunt, not a civil enquiry. Shades of Salem, Massachusetts. You people are competely out of context and out of line.

    • judahlevi

      Name-calling, the last refuge of a losing argument.

      Goodbye and good riddance, Mr. Cline.

  • peacedog

    Salem Massachusetts huh?? Was she burned at the stake? Are we the ones who are out of line?

    • Jim Gaffigan

      No, she was drowned

  • kate5778b

    Does anyone remember their Grandad saying this:

    You must show compassion as you would towards an UNBORN child.

    ………anyone?

    • Richard Malley

      No, you're thinking of YOUR Grandad.
      MY Grandad was a news anchor, and typically said things like "More at 8!" and "All this and more at 11!"

  • Brittany

    They did not badger her! Those men asked simple questions that I would want to know as well. This is a well known controversial issue. She should have brought her A-game.

  • Brittany

    Ironic that the "witch hunt" of Salem was brought up. They killed innocent people just as the innocent unborn are killed.

  • Lynn M LaMar

    This is an excellent article, albeit profoundly sad. I am so sick of this societies ‘titles’ given to horrible actions, to make them sound acceptable.

  • Linda

    murder!

  • laura r

    the dr should make the decision. it the new born has no serious birth defects & can survive then it should. no one should be having an abortion that late unless its really serious medical circumstances.