Social Breakdowns, SWAT, NSA and the Police State

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Mark Steyn commented on the NSA controversy to say that,

“The same bureaucracy that takes the terror threat so seriously that it needs the phone and Internet records of hundreds of millions of law-abiding persons would never dream of doing a little more pre-screening in its immigration system — by, say, according a graduate of a Yemeni madrassah a little more scrutiny than a Slovene or Fijian. The president has unilaterally suspended the immigration laws of the United States, and his attorney general prosecutes those states such as Arizona who remain quaintly attached to them. The ID three of the 9/11 hijackers acquired in the 7-Eleven parking lot in Falls Church, Virginia and used to board the plane that day is part of a vast ongoing subversion of American sovereignty with which many states and so-called “sanctuary cities” actively collude.

Because the formal, visible state has been neutered by political correctness, the dark, furtive shadow state has to expand massively to make, in secret, the judgment calls that can no longer be made in public. That’s not an arrangement that is likely to end well.”

In a way that is the larger point here. A social breakdown can only be controlled by a police state that is applied across the board to everyone.

The TSA is just the most visible element on the kind of universal police state that will try and struggle to cope with the elephant in the room. If you think it’s bad in the US, it’s much worse in the UK, where surveillance of every kind is even more pervasive.

And all this is just a bigger/smaller version of what originally happened with inner cities where the problem couldn’t be focused or targeted, only hit with big broad spectrum solutions. These solutions went too far and violated too many rights, but they were so broad that no one could complain about discrimination.

Effective programs that are in any way suggestive of targeting get expanded and broadened to spread the pain creating a police state that harasses everyone to prove that no one is being discriminated against.

We have 3 tension points. Personal freedoms. Discrimination. Violence. Everyone has agreed that we can’t, at least officially, accept violence, whether it’s crime or terrorism. The elites have all agreed that we can’t accept discrimination. There’s only one more point that can give. And it’s personal freedoms.

  • Poupic

    Logic 101 would have help you know that not taking into consideration the fact that someone graduated from a Midrasah in no way justify not taking into consideration phone calls as a source of catching Islamic terrorists. In fact looking at both might help catch Islamic terrorists before anyone dies from their bombs.

    • angeleyez

      .
      As a law biding citizen, shouldn’t my mailed hand written letters
      still be protected ?

      • Poupic

        Are you awake? Your written mail is not the subject at hand.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      Your problem is like most politicians and Americans on both sides of the political aisle you don’t understand that jihad is not terrorism. Hence, while you are obsessed with terrorism because it is violent, you are oblivious to the stealth jihad undermining our way of life manifesting all around you. Indeed, it is as if 9/11 was the devastating deathblow to America that is bringing upon its rapid decline.

      • Poupic

        You have no idea how much I understand that Islamic terror is as a result Islam, most of Islam those actively involved in supporting terror, with finance hidden as good deeds and Mosques recruiting Muslims for terror. True not all Muslim do that but those who don’t close their eyes like most Americans do and call Islam “The religion of peace. Really? Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and now Egypt. Tibet has no Islamic terror because so far Muslim terrorists have no interest in Tibet yet and not many Muslims in Tibet. Ask Christians in Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Libya how they feel about Islam today. Anyway those Christians still there because they did not found a way to run away from the Islamic paradise. Someone is going to say I have Islamophobia. My answer to them is look up phobia. What I describe is real, horribly real and as long as we refuse to call it as it is Boston Marathon horrors will continue to plague the western world and this includes you as a target.

        • ObamaYoMoma

          Uhm…you need reread my response to you again, as I didn’t claim you don’t understand terrorism. What I said instead is you don’t understand that jihad is not terrorism. Indeed, terrorism is not holy fighting in the cause of Allah for the establishment of Islam and terrorists like Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, and the Unabomber were not Muslims perpetrating terrorism in the cause of Allah. What I pointed out to you instead is that you have swallowed all the political correct pabulum put out and spread by so-called right wing writers like Daniel Greenfield.

          Nevertheless, in stark contrast to terrorism, jihad is holy fighting in the cause of Allah for the establishment of Islam. It is also, in stark contrast to terrorism, both violent and non-violent, but astronomically far more non-violent as opposed to being violent. Also, in stark contrast to terrorism, only Muslims wage jihad.

          Indeed, when was the last time that you read an article written by Greenfield or one of the other purveyors of misinformation around here about the most ubiquitous form of jihad, which is mass Muslim immigration to the West, or that all Mainstream Orthodox Muslims in the world are jihadists in one form or another? In other words, I only pointed out what is obvious: after all these years, you still don’t have the first clue, but don’t blame me, blame them.

          • Poupic

            We have all read the Islam0ic BS that Jihad is not what understand as Jihad. The thousands of dead people across the Islamic world, the Western world have come straight from Islamic Terror fueled by the religion of peace, Islam. The terrorists you mention were from another form of terror. They are not the same as Islamic terror this is why it is very important to differentiate between terror and terror. Today’s terror is about 100% Islamic terror. Be my guest call it what you want. We will call it as it is: Islamic terror.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Look dude…if you want to remain brainwashed and ignorant of the scourge of Islam and the true realities of jihad forever, while also remaining a clueless useful idiot at the same time, then by all means please don’t let me step in your “Islamic terror” only way. It’s all yours…buddy. Have at it, but most of all have fun at it!

          • Poupic

            Let me guess. Farrakhan is your leader.

          • dizzyizzy

            See photo of Michelle Obama with Mrs. Farrakhan as representative (?) of Nation of Islam. http://clarespark.com/2012/05/15/progressive-uplift-vs-new-left-nihilism/. “Progressive uplift vs. New Left nihilism.”

          • Poupic

            I do not know what this means. She appears with Black leaders in a picture. So what?

          • dizzyizzy

            Given the presence of the Obamas in Rev. Wright’s church for twenty years, you are unable to draw the obvious conclusion? What else do you not know about black nationalism and antisemitism too?

          • Poupic

            Now you are talking! 20 years with his “spiritual mentor” that married him, baptized his daughters. Then volunteering for the Million men march when multitudes cheered everyone of Farrakhan’s anti- Israel and anti-Semitic rants. Is Barack Hussein an anti- Semite? Well ask yourself would a non- anti- Semite stay with Wright more than one minute? Barack Hussein stopped saying he was his spiritual mentor to get elected. Republicans and the Clinton where to chicken to say what was obvious to anyone caring enough to see the truth. Barack Hussein is a flaming anti- Semite. He hides it well as President just as Carter did when President.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Real intelligent response. Impressive.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “Logic 101 would have help you know that not taking into consideration the fact that someone graduated from a Midrasah in no way justify not taking into consideration phone calls as a source of catching Islamic terrorists.”

      Said like a true globalist. That’s your response to this quote I assume?

      “The same bureaucracy that takes the terror threat so seriously that it needs the phone and Internet records of hundreds of millions of law-abiding persons would never dream of doing a little more pre-screening in its immigration system — by, say, according a graduate of a Yemeni madrassah a little more scrutiny than a Slovene or Fijian.”

      You might have to do both, that’s true. The point is that US citizens have more rights than Yemeni (and any other) immigrants and visitors petitioning for visas. And it’s actually a lot more plausible that most of the Islamic terrorists are coming from schools that teach totalitarian Islamic imperialism.

      The problem is that we’re letting terrorists in pretending that they’re moderate. They’re pretending that all people around the globe have the same US constitutional rights that citizens do. And it seems so are you.

      • Poupic

        Why do you assume I would give the same rights to a Islamic terrorist as that of a US citizen? This is our cost created by Islamic terror. No matter the cost to catch them or preventing them from getting in require us to use every mean necessary including giving up some of our liberties. As I wrote before they are welcome to my email, phone if it is sufficient to catch Islamic terrorists and even if only one life is saved. In my eyes this cost will have been nothing in comparison.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    The problem with GWB and the Republican Party is they too are stealth leftists who used the threat of terrorism, which isn’t even an Islamic manifestation, as justification for not only massively expanding the size, scope, and power of the federal government, but also to destroy our previously enshrined heretofore freedoms and rights guaranteed under the constitution. Hence, now that Obama has been elected, thanks again to the gross incompetence of GWB and the Congressional Republicans, it isn’t any wonder that his administration is taking greater liberties with our now sacrificed former freedoms and rights. Of course, now great ridicule will be rained down upon me for speaking the truth about Republicans.

    In any event, we need to elect a true conservative to power that understands that jihad is not terrorism, but holy fighting in the cause of Allah for the establishment of Islam, and is willing to do whatever is necessary to repair and protect America, i.e., ban and reverse mass Muslim immigration ASAP, tear down and abolish the TSA, the Department of Homeland Security, the National Intelligence Directorate, and last but certainly not least, Obamacare ASAP. While also concentrating on sealing both US borders without rewarding amnesty to millions of illegal aliens and shrinking the size, scope, and power of the federal government dramatically at the same time in order to get our fiscal house back in order and our economy percolating again. Finally, our mighty military must not be allowed to be hollowed out, while also being cleansed of all GWB and Obama people to restore it back to competency again.

    By the way, banning and reversing mass Muslim immigration is not racism or bigotry on a massive scale. It’s common sense and it is absolutely necessary to protect America, because when you study the evolution of Islam, it is obvious that Islam ceased being a religion shortly after the Hijra in 622 AD, when it was reformed by Muhammad into a totalitarian cult that masquerades as being a religion to dupe the infidels it intends to subjugate via the imposition of sharia, which is Islamic totalitarian law. Indeed, how many Islamic countries on this planet are not totalitarian today? The answer is none of them, which also includes not even Iraq and Afghanistan no matter what both Republicans and Democrats ignorantly claim.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “The problem with GWB and the Republican Party is they too are stealth leftists who used the threat of terrorism, which isn’t even an Islamic manifestation, as justification for not only massively expanding the size, scope, and power of the federal government, but also to destroy our previously enshrined heretofore freedoms and rights guaranteed under the constitution. Hence, now that Obama has been elected, thanks again to the gross incompetence of GWB and the Congressional Republicans,”

      I think many are stealth leftists and others are simply too interested in power and the need to get elected. Leftists have achieved powerful cultural hegemony in the West. What we have are 2 parties; 1 radical leftists and their dupes and the other are moderate social democrats who are “radically conservative” only in relative terms. The Republican Party is only slightly more “conservative” (mild social democrats) than the Democratic Party. Both are afraid to offend the mooches and the radical leftists who are supported by the mainstream media, including Hollywood.

      My biggest “oh no” moment for this nation was when I read our government’s “response” to those occupy anarchists. I’m more angry about that than any other single failure of our government. They encouraged wannabe Ayers freaks. I don’t recall any Republicans standing up strongly to this.

      Law and order has now clearly taken a back seat to politics, and the leftists have achieved dominant political and cultural hegemony in the West. I wouldn’t say that was the moment I stopped being polite to leftists, but I try to err on the side of clarity and bluntness now. They’re destroying our nation and our culture. They just think they have something better to replace it with.

  • onecornpone

    Is it time to build the 12 foot walls with heavy metal gates, like we frequently saw our troops breaching in Baghdad. As our law-enforcement overlords arm up, we the people will do whatever is required to maintain some semblance of our privacy.

    Sort of a reverse of If you build it, they will come

    If they come, we will build it…

    • ObamaYoMoma

      There is a simple common sense solution to all of this nonsense being perpetrated upon the American people by our insane politicians on both sides of the political aisle, but it’s not politically correct: Ban and reverse mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage ASAP, as zero Muslims dwelling in American will mean zero jihad in America. It’s common sense. Meanwhile, turning America into a totalitarian hellhole isn’t!

  • ziggy zoggy

    I like the “Newsweek” cover. maybe it’s no longer run by lunatics?

  • objectivefactsmatter

    All of this to perpetuate the lie that Islam is not at war with the West.