Solar Panel Industry Producing Millions of Pounds of Carcinogenic Toxic Waste

Wait… but clean… it’s green energy… it can’t… but it comes from the sun… how can it not be good for the environment?

Fueled partly by billions in government incentives, the industry is creating millions of solar panels each year and, in the process, millions of pounds of polluted sludge and contaminated water.

To dispose of the material, the companies must transport it by truck or rail far from their own plants to waste facilities hundreds and, in some cases, thousands of miles away.

And how are these trucks full of Clean Green Energy Toxic Waste transported? By sunshine? By wind power?

The fossil fuels used to transport that waste, experts say, is not typically considered in calculating solar’s carbon footprint, giving scientists and consumers who use the measurement to gauge a product’s impact on global warming the impression that solar is cleaner than it is.

After installing a solar panel, “it would take one to three months of generating electricity to pay off the energy invested in driving those hazardous waste emissions out of state,” said Dustin Mulvaney, a San Jose State University environmental studies professor who conducts carbon footprint analyses of solar, biofuel and natural gas production.

Clean Green Energy creates toxic waste that must be transported by fume spewing trucks. I almost feel like Al Gore lied to me, but we all know that’s completely impossible.

The state records show the 17 companies, which had 44 manufacturing facilities in California, produced 46.5 million pounds of sludge and contaminated water from 2007 through the first half of 2011. Roughly 97 percent of it was taken to hazardous waste facilities throughout the state, but more than 1.4 million pounds were transported to nine other states: Arkansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Rhode Island, Nevada, Washington, Utah, New Mexico and Arizona.

Can’t we just go nuclear? We would have steadier and cheaper energy. But ecofreaks hate nuclear. Still it’s solar panels. It’s from the sun. It can’t possibly be too toxic. Can it?

Solyndra, the now-defunct solar company that received $535 million in guaranteed federal loans, reported producing about 12.5 million pounds of hazardous waste, much of it carcinogenic cadmium-contaminated water.

The bad news is that taxpayers shelled out 40 dollars per pound of carcinogenic toxic waste. The good news, is that it’s Clean Green carcinogenic toxic waste that comes from the sun.

Before the company went bankrupt, leading to increased scrutiny of the solar industry and political fallout for President Barack Obama’s administration, Solyndra said it created 100 megawatts-worth of solar panels, enough to power 100,000 homes.

Just out of curiosity, how many people can 12.5 million pounds of carcinogenic waste kill?

  • JacksonPearson

    Solar and wind will never, repeat NEVER produce enough electrical power to expand and power up future American domestic and industrial usage.

    It takes large steam turbines, being powered by either hydro, nuclear, natural gas, coal, or natural thermal heat, that in turn are driving large, multiple in-line generators to produce viable power…solar and wind are mere environmental, costly, pacifier toys.

    • SuicidePrevention
      • JacksonPearson

        So dear tell? How exactly do you get that cheap power being generated in Australia to the United States? And how do you get enough of it to power up American industry, for the next one hundred years?

        And the rest of your links are nonsensical. Best you stay on "Suicide Prevention!"

        • PocketOyster

          Its crazy how desperate you people are to discredit new technology. Excess energy and hyperefficiency technology has been around for years but suppressed on the corporate scale through copyright antics and what not. I think everyone on this sight that is against solar was paid to be here, because who really doesn't want cheaper energy? obviously the people who are making money off the expensive energy. You might want to actually click one of those links.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It's crazy how desperate you liberals are to discredit existing technology.

          • patriothere

            Unlike you I don't believe everything I read or hear.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Not unless your handlers tell you to.

            Just another 'rented mouth'.

    • Thomas Smalls

      A recent University of Delaware Study finds that we could run our grid with mostly on wind and a tad bit of natural gas by 2030 for similar costs to today's energy. That takes into account external costs, and relies on zero subsidies.

      See the thing is, fossil energy is getting more and more expensive, while wind and solar are getting cheaper and cheaper. Eventually, they'll become so cheap that the market will decimate fossil energy.

      Here's a link to the study
      http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/

      Highlights

      ► We modeled wind, solar, and storage to meet demand for 1/5 of the USA electric grid. ► 28 billion combinations of wind, solar and storage were run, seeking least-cost. ► Least-cost combinations have excess generation (3× load), thus require less storage. ► 99.9% of hours of load can be met by renewables with only 9–72 h of storage. ► At 2030 technology costs, 90% of load hours are met at electric costs below today's.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Fossil fuel is getting more expensive? Why?
        If government didn't work so hard to punish that industry it wouldn't be.

    • PocketOyster

      Or we become more efficient because we have realized that the life we are trying to live is not sustainable. LIfe is not granted, so we need to stop living as if it is. The sun will give us enough, it always has.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Why isn't it sustainable? Because you liberals don't want us having a life style that keeps us out of one room mud huts near the rice fields?

        Pol Pot, go away.

    • zebrano

      JacksonPearson,
      You got it right.

  • Venay

    And have you considered the problem of ROHS non-compliance of 90% of solarr panel technoligies in the market today .?

  • Mary Sue

    yeah, you know that what goes into making those solar panels ain't healthy.

    Canadian sainted Enviro-Guru David Suzuki was crowing a few years back about how environmentalists forced Industry to reclaim some of the waste (usually via smokestack scrubbers for instance) and that the companies actually found value in selling the waste to use for other things. I wonder what sort of things they could use that solar panel waste for, but I'd have to know what it is, first.

    • PocketOyster

      They do the exact same thing with oil waste, but you don't hear about it in articles like this. Thats why this is just pure blatant propaganda.

  • Larry

    Of course, those figures don't include the toxic waste, etc, produced in China where the rare earths used in solar panels come from either.

    And the watermelons never, ever mention that diesel produces carcinogens like they are going out of fashion, which aren't scrubbed out of the exhaust gases of vehicles. Bio-diesel exhaust fumes contain in excess of 400 known carcinogenic compounds. But we should all use diesel, not gasoline.

    • PocketOyster

      we should all get solar panels and electric powered cars. the items used to make solar panels only have to come out of the ground one time. the oil drilling will never end as long as we let it go on. also they don't come from china they come from california and nevada.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Got facts?

        China makes the vast majority.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Got facts?

        China makes the vast majority. At least now that companies like Solyndra folded up.

  • http://www.adinakutnicki.com AdinaK

    But when did the radical left, the green obsessed, EVER care about the masses? Never and never. As such, the "father" of green drenches himself in capitalist ink, all the while he invests with those who want America destroyed. They happen to wave the "green" flag too, of Allah! http://adinakutnicki.com/2013/01/16/the-leftistti

    Prostituting themselves is their forte.

    Adina kutnicki, Israel – http://adinakutnicki.com/about/

    • PocketOyster

      This is absurd.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        You are not sustainable.

  • truebearing

    One man's messianic delusion is another man's toxic reality.

    I just can't believe that a leftist would lie or pollute his egalitarian utopia. Say it ain't so.

  • Mary Sue

    You know, this is also like those stupid fluorescent compact light bulbs. They're supposed to be good for the environment cuz they use less power.

    Except, they have mercury in them and if they break you practically need a HAZMAT team to clean up after it! And you can't throw it in the garbage either.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      I have starting replacing bulbs with halogen ones. I wont' have a CFL bulb since they don't put out light that looks right.

      • Mary Sue

        yeah the light is pretty awful. LED's are better but halogen are the best, the only problem with Halogen being that they suck up the kilowatt-hours like crazy.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          ABout 20-30% less then regular bulbs. I like LED's but they are so directional.

    • PocketOyster

      did you know a regular light bulb is just as toxic?

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        No, they are not.
        You are toxic. Quit breathing, you're simply not sustainable.

  • Cowicide

    How quaint, more corporatist tripe from tea baggers… Look at the COMPARISON of solar versus fossil fuels. Solar or ANY other energy source isn't going to be 100% clean. Are you that stupid? The alternative of sticking with expensive nukes, dirty fossil fuels and other nonsense that contributes to global climate change is pure idiocy to say the least. Oh well, it's what I've come to expect from corporatist lackey tea baggers who either think global climate change is a hoax or think it's going to be "a good thing".

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      How quaint, another liberal troll that avoided discussing what the story was about. Are you that stupid? The alternative is clean coal, and it doesn't leave any of the toxins this story discussed, or even clean natural gas. But no, you'd rather stick to the approved talking points and use insults over logic.

      • patriothere

        Clean coal? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          You silly iranians, don't you have western news allowed in your country yet?
          http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/looping203.ht

          • patriothere

            There is no such thing as clean coal. Never will be!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            There is, and the link explains it.

            Your handlers will be in for a shock if the world can use coal for power instead of iranian oil.

    • JacksonPearson

      Do you live in a cave? Do drive or walk? Do you rub sticks together to make fire? Where do you dispose of your human waste? Do you watch TV, if so how? Do you read by man made light, or by firelight?

    • JacksonPearson

      A special TP gift, just for you: http://i55.tinypic.com/2u4h6l3.jpg

    • Mary Sue

      Hydro is cleaner than any of that.

      • JacksonPearson

        Dammed hydro power is about the best and cleanest of any ways of generating electricity. You not only get good and reliable power, but a source of irrigation, drinking water, and recreational fishing.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          So they are dismantling dams. This isn't power, it's about control.

          Will the death panels have solar power on their waiting lists?

          • JacksonPearson

            The Obama administration is dismantling America. Dams and coal fired generating plants are on his latest hit list. He's the type of misguided idiot that will first tear it all down, instead of keeping what's working and necessary to build on.

            Nothing is mentioned about monitoring Obama's Health Care death panels, of which will be liken to another abortion holocaust. When the smoke clears, the Home of the Free and the Brave will have outdone Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and Hitler combined. No thanks to Progressives, the U.S.A. will become the killing-est nation in the world.

  • SuicidePrevention

    Daniel, you selected excerpts from the linked article which make solar energy look bad, but ignored
    parts of the same article which make it look good in comparison to fossil fuels. Below is from the same article:
    The roughly 20-year life of a solar panel still makes it some of the cleanest energy technology currently available. Producing solar is still significantly cleaner than fossil fuels. Energy derived from natural gas and coal-fired power plants, for example, creates more than 10 times more hazardous waste than the same energy created by a solar panel, according to Mulvaney.
    The U.S. solar industry said it is reporting its waste, and sending it to approved storage facilities — thus keeping it out of the nation's air and water. A coal-fired power plant, in contrast, sends mercury, cadmium and other toxins directly into the air, which pollutes water and land around the facility. http://news.yahoo.com/solar-industry-grapples-haz

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      And how does that compare to clean natural gas toxins?

      • PocketOyster

        probably terribly how many times a day do you come into contact with plastic?
        thats the oil company's idea of recycling toxic chemicals. Turning them into products and containers that poison the food and water supply. Its actually been proven that not a single human on earth exists without microplastics in their body. (watch the VICE documentary on the pacific gyre.)

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          Plastics are a good thing.
          Why not use every part of that barrel of oil?

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          Plastics are a good thing.
          Why not use every part of that barrel of oil?

          Just call it sustainability.

  • SuicidePrevention

    Come to think of it Daniel, I wonder if your entire schtick is cherry picking. Selecting data, or facts, or excerpts from an article, while ignoring or supressing the larger context. Why not try looking at the big picture? Be ambitious and look at the really big picture. Then you might notice that fossil fuels are finite. And they're
    being depleted. The fossil fuel age is but a blip in human history. When it's over, we'll still have hydroelectric, but that produces only a tiny percentage of our current electric power consumption.
    The first electric lights turned on in New York City were powered by generators at Niagra Falls. Without
    other renewables we may eventually be back to that.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      And when exactly will they be depleted?

      • SuicidePrevention

        You don't know exactly when you're going to die so you don't make a will?

        • Rifleman

          What you're saying is more like killing yourself now because you know you'll die someday.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          I don't know when clean coal will bother my lungs, but I do know that the toxins from solar cells would. Your line of thinking just doesn't hold up.

          • Thomas Smalls

            Ain't no clean coal. How many commercial clean coal plants does the US have? Zero. Why? Because clean coal is a hell of a lot more expensive than wind or solar. It's a myth created by the coal industry that's been propagating since the 1970's.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Uninformed much? http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2013/02/27/could-c

            The private industry doesn't starve or punish people, it finds ways of doing things better.
            That's the difference between a state run economy and private industry.

          • Patrick

            Actually, Private Industry only answers to Stock share holders and it DOES starve and punish people on a daily basis to keep it's quarterly margins high! It (private Industry) could care less about the average, individual consumer and if it saves money to illegally dump waste, cut employment, or move to another country for cheaper labor costs..It will do it in a heart beat.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Actually they don't. Competition means you want to leave you can.
            Big state run government doesn't allow that and does punish people. Ask the folks on Social Security how much input they have in their benefits.

          • PocketOyster

            You obviously don't know where any of your money goes.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Obviously I have an idea and don't like it.

        • Daniel Greenfield

          One day the sun will deplete its supply of gasses and burn out as well.

          No resource is truly infinite. Including the sun.

          • SuicidePrevention

            The sun is 5 billion years old and should last many billions more.
            BP's current estimate is 54 years. http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle800.do?cat
            Oil companies and oil producing countries both have incentives to
            overstate their reserves. The companies' CEOs get higher pay. OPEC
            producers get to produce more now (further enriching their dictators) if their reserves are larger.
            There's also the question of at what price. The
            oil sands and deep water drilling are money losers unless the price to the consumer
            is painfully high. It's not that we'll run out. It will just get too expensive to produce.
            Eventually you might have solar or wind powering the drills and pumps and fracking equipment to extract the residual oil.

          • Jeff Bargholz

            SuicideAdvocation,

            mankind will NEVER run out of ways to generate electricity but I hope you're happy in Australia because the only way you'll ever leave without fuel is on a sail boat.

          • PocketOyster

            you can make a solar powered boat there dummy. or yes… a sailboat. or a boat with a bike pedal-powered propellar. think outside the box thats what your brain is for.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And yours, what is it for?

        • JacksonPearson

          That's not what he asked you?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You noticed that too?

        • PocketOyster

          Right on dude exactly. We can see the end and we know its coming so how will it hurt to go ahead and prepare. I'm absolutely sure that the waste produced from oil companies buries the waste produced by the production of solar panels. Not to mention the environmental damage produced by oil spills and plastic production. Ever seen Yellow 5 or Red 40? one or the other is in basically every commercially produced food, skin, body care product on the market. Both of these are petrochemicals that come out of the ground as oil. Toxic chemicals, they cause reproductive harm in ALL MAMMALS and they tell you its just a food coloring. Check a label sometime and tell me I'm wrong.

      • PocketOyster

        its not important when its just important to note that they will run out far before the sun will and we are damaging our environment which we are part of. Poison the environment we poison ourselves. Reliance on Oil hurts everyone.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          Or it provides the means for a modern style of life until other technology is developed.

    • Rifleman

      The big picture is that the left/dp/msm is putting the cart before the horse. The money to research renewable energy or any other technological advancement depends on economic surplus. Forcing toxic and inefficient technology that isn't ready kills that surplus, and does more environmental damage, not less.

    • PocketOyster

      You are right this is all propaganda probably funded by some fossil fuel executive. We aren't all stupid. I get how this works.

  • cxt

    Sucide Prevention

    The point of the article is that almost everyone is overlooking serious problems with solar—-as a fan of solar/alt energy I find the whole "lets not take to clase a look at the potential harms" thing to be offputting.

    There is little to be gained by ignoring potential problems and pretending that they don;t exsist…..which it most certianly does.

    And yet you almost NEvER hear about it—and when you do–it seldom goes mainstream. Take your own post—instead of dealing with the problems it points out you spend your time "fingerpointing" and nitpicking.

    And its not that your wrong—I tend to agree with you. Its just that you seem to missed the overl point in favor of chaging the subject.

    • PocketOyster

      If we are going to look this far into the harms of producing solar energy. we should also look at the fossil fuels used for shipping oil all over the world which I'm sure compares, if not obliterates the figures for solar waste disposal.

  • Rifleman

    The left/dp has to destroy something to save it.

    The Toxic Avenger was a movie that was so bad it was good.

  • Tony Butler

    When we say that fossil fuels are finite, it's not quite true, is it? In the UK alone we bury millions of tons of fossil fuels a week, in landfill sites. We have thousands of acre of rotting forestry timber because its cheaper to import it from abroad. We have an abundance of a nuclear fuel that burns ten times hotter than uranium, so hot it can burn its own waste. All national electricity grids need four essential requirements, and wind power can't meet one of them. America has 14,000 of the things abandoned, but still and even after the disastrous effect of Spain's Green Energy experiment on jobs, greens ignore the facts and dish out theory, or manufacture the science.

    • PocketOyster

      its not a sustainable practice to just burn a limited resource on this planet when we are bombarded with free energy daily. why hurt our publics by making them pay for something that our sun and atmosphere provide for us.

      • PocketOyster

        look up germany and their solar program, then look at america and ask whats wrong. its reliance on a monopolized fuel source. you cant monopolize solar.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          What's wrong is that we have oil reserves Germany doesn't.

  • http://SELFMADESOLARENERGY.TK electricity solar power

    I’m amazed, I must say. Seldom do I come across a blog that’s equally educative and engaging, and without a doubt, you have hit the nail on the head.

    The problem is something which too few men and women are speaking intelligently about.
    I am very happy I found this during my hunt for something concerning this.

  • Patrick

    I am just humored that some guy named Roger actually used Fox News as a resource to prove a point! HAHAHA…that is too funny! Of all of the comments on here, Suicide Prevention has done the most research (including the writer of the article) and has presented his argument the best. There are plenty of Leftist that think that we should stop fossil fuels immediately and that is wrong and foolish…however there are as many, if not more, right-wingers that refuse to take in the idea that we must begin to transition into a cleaner fuel source. The simple fact that our population growth is out of control verses the cost to dig deeper to gather current fuels is reason enough to focus on cleaner, more abundant energy sources. Lastly, did some dipsh!t really try and use the argument that solar energy was nonrenewable because the sun would eventually burn out? Whoever you are, please, get off of this site and let the grown-ups talk.

    • zebrano

      May be somebody will come up with moon panels since the sun will disappear, LOL.
      Oops I forgot, the moon will not shine without the sun.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        So, do you use your solar powered flashlight after the sun goes over the horizon?

        • zebrano

          The meter runs backwards during the day and stores up what I need at night.
          Do you understand what "Grid tied" means? Do you understand what "reserve" means"?
          I don't have a solar flashlight. Get informed how solar works.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So you cheefully admit you exploited poor chinese slave laborers and encourage the poisoning of the earth. All so you can have your creature comforts. Wow, what a capitalist pig you are.

          • zebrano

            Imported and made in Germany, no Chinese crap.
            I'm proud to be a conservative Capitalist.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You're proud to be a persons who was paying for a toxic waste problem.It's the same compounds and the same toxins are used and made.You just are a total moron aren't you? Do you always ignore the inconvenient truths you don't like? No wonder you and serf get along so well.

          • zebrano

            Did you look in the mirror lately?
            You still don't know how solar panels work.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course I do. I installed a small system once on a small out building that we didn't want to run wires to. But that was before I checked more and realized there are toxic side effects to being lazy and cheap.

          • zebrano

            Was it an outhouse? Chinese crap?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So, now we know you throw out challenges for information you don't want answered. You ignore information you don't like. You're cheap and lazy and now you demonstrate once again your'e just a name caller troll.

            Derailing the thread, it's your hallmark. Did Serf give you hints?

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      I'm just amused that you make the claim as if it's an insult.
      I went through my comments on this story. I used three links. One was to WSJ, one to Tree huggers, and one to a scientific site. None were to Fox news. I avoid it because close minded bigots use the name as an insult.

      • zebrano

        Tree huggers? You got to be kidding. These same people want to protect the spotted owl to save trees. Next time wipe your but with a spotted owl.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          Information is what it is.
          When I want to know something I go to where the people understand issues.

          Perhaps thats why I learn and grow and you're just a snob hiding in the forest afraid to use regular electricity. Clean natural gas wouldn't poison the ground at manufacture and batteries are full of toxic compounds. But you don't care. How illustrative of what a fringe element of society you are.

          • zebrano

            So you trust the tree huggers?
            Do I use batteries? Still don't understand what grid tied means? Get an education in solar.
            Still babbling nonsense?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So, you use the electric grid when it's convenient instead of living up to the independent style you advocate. What a woosie, can't you go off the grid if you think solar is all that great? So, you are solar during the day and light off the grid at night.Why should I pay higher bills so the electric companies can play that game with you? Either use it or get off it why don't you?

          • zebrano

            You still are in the dark on solar.
            Do you understand what a reserve is ?
            Get an education on solar.
            It is nice to get a refund check for unused electricity.
            This is what I call an Independent financial style. Do you get that?
            Why should I get batteries when this present system works for me?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You're still cheap and lazy and refuse to realize who's in the dark.

            And I don't care about your refund as much as the sick earth. Do you realize it's people like you that give the liberals a chance to say we're destroying the earth? There are cleaner less toxic ways of generating electricity. Natural gas comes to mind.

          • zebrano

            How safe is natural gas? Did you study all the cons?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            How safe are the toxic wastes from solar manufacture?
            Did you study ALL the cons? Nope, and you get mad when someone gives you the information. All because you think being cheap and lazy is more important.

          • zebrano

            I'm not mad, just amazed and laughing.
            Derailing again? No answer on the cons of natural gas?
            The time has come to end this discussion because you are derailleur of the topic and do not admit the advantages of solar power.
            I will not engage uneducated idiots for a meaningful debate.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Does natural gas leave toxic pollutants like solar panels?
            The time had come a long time ago, after I gave the link to information and you revealed just what a jerk you are by blowing it off and calling names.

            Go back and tell serf all about it.

          • patriothere

            fracking is dangerous. We're running out of oil. Solar is the future.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Fracking isn't, and there is a lot of oil and coal.Enough to buy us time for using other safe and cheap energy sources.

  • Patrick

    Here is an Idea for your FPM guidelines…
    FPM appreciates your comments that abide by the following guidelines:

    1. Avoid profanities or foul language.
    2. Stay on topic.
    3. No ad hominem attacks.
    4. Threats are treated seriously and reported to law enforcement.
    5. Spam and advertising are not permitted in the comments area.
    6. Impersonators will be banned immediately.

    How about a 7th guideline…Yellow journalism, spinning words, cutting out known facts to create half truths from other articles and biased reporting will not be tolerated and the Authors will be fired

  • PocketOyster

    I won't come to this sight anymore, its just a host for people to sell totally skewed ideas of reality and then have a constituency control the comment section to make it appear to be highly supported. The lack of support of sound research here in the comment section reveals an unlikely balance of people supporting clean renewable cheap energy sources. It just doesn't make sense and I'm quick to call out corporate involvement on this one. Whoever wrote this article did so with some wealthy friends and that discredits it.

    • PocketOyster

      site***

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Oh please, don't worry about spelling. Worry about your marxist agenda and hatred for any society that has anything.

        Just go away. Solar Panels are dirty, toxic to make and not nearly as cheap as natural gas for generation. Also, it doesn't work at night when you want to use electricity for heat or lighting. Natural gas does.

        • patriothere

          Solar panels are dirty and toxic? Good god almighty!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!!!!!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, that bothers your handlers, doesn't it?

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • patriothere

            I'm not a troll.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course you are.

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • patriothere

            I am not.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Listen I understand as a paid troll you need to make a certain quota. And sometimes you even try to make sense.But it's past that point on these threads.

          • patriothere

            I understand that you are a cancer.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You also think gravity is just another flimsy theory. Why not try dropping a heavy rock on your foot and see how reliable that theory is.

          • patriothere

            Flimsy theory? Those are your words! You think theories are flimsy. Learn the scientific method!

            Evolution is a theory. So is gravity.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I think you call Gravity a theory and i explained how you can test and see if it's factual or not.Just think of how much your foot wont' get hit by any dropping rocks since gravity isn't real.Theory, or fact.

          • patriothere

            Gravity is a theory just like evolution. Why are you arguing with me on this?

            Buzzard.

        • patriothere

          Battery technology has come a long way. You could use just an hour of california sun and run an entire city. That's the future. Not the now.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Battery technology just had a industry gathering admitting it wasn't good enough.
            http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304

            And solar is fine, but only until the sun goes down. Have your iranian scientists solved that one yet?

          • patriothere

            Solar is the future. Not the now. Solar and wind are the only alternatives worth mentioning, the rest is nonsense. There are people doing good work today that will make this happen. There are even people in government doing good work today, even though you won't admit it.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Solar goes to bed every night at sundown.

          • patriothere

            Solar is still the future.

          • patriothere

            Iranian scientists have invented a time machine. That's pretty impressive you have to admit.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Did the handlers tell you that too?

          • patriothere

            Why don't you applaud the advancement of science?

        • zebrano

          Roger,
          What is your level of education?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Zebrano, what is your level of intelligence?

          • zebrano

            Certified Aerospace Quality Engineer, retired.
            I cannot believe all the crap you spewed on solar panels.
            I have not paid an electric bill for almost 4 years. I get paid for the excess I produce on a yearly basis. What is wrong with that?
            I have 32 panels that track the sun giving me another 20 to 25% more energy.
            My car and my truck run on used vegetable oil. The oil is free and it costs me 15 cents a gallon to clean it to less than 5 micron. What is wrong with that?
            My greenhouse produces food all year long. What is wrong with that?
            I got my own water well, anything wrong with that?
            My goal has been self sufficiency, I could care less what everybody else is says about energy.
            Does solar works for everybody? NO. It sure works well in the boonies on the ground installation.

          • zebrano

            Certified Aerospace Quality Engineer, retired.
            I cannot believe all the crap you spewed on solar panels.
            I have not paid an electric bill for almost 4 years. I get paid for the excess I produce on a yearly basis. What is wrong with that?
            I have 32 panels that track the sun giving me another 20 to 25% more energy.
            My car and my truck run on used vegetable oil. The oil is free and it costs me 15 cents a gallon to clean it to less than 5 micron. What is wrong with that?
            My greenhouse produces food all year long. What is wrong with that?
            I got my own water well, anything wrong with that?
            My goal has been self sufficiency, I could care less what everybody else says about energy.
            Does solar works for everybody? NO. It sure works well in the boonies on the ground installation.

          • zebrano

            Certified Aerospace Quality Engineer, retired.
            I cannot believe all the crap you spewed on solar panels.
            I have not paid an electric bill for almost 4 years. I get paid for the excess I produce on a yearly basis. What is wrong with that?
            I have 32 panels that track the sun giving me another 20 to 25% more energy.
            My car and my truck run on used vegetable oil. The oil is free and it costs me 15 cents a gallon to clean it to less than 5 micron. What is wrong with that?
            My greenhouse produces food all year long. What is wrong with that?
            I got my own water well, anything wrong with that?
            My goal has been self sufficiency, I could care less what everybody else says about energy.
            Does solar work for everybody? NO. It sure works well in the boonies on the ground installation.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I can't believe you think any of that reduces the toxic waste from solar panel manufacturing.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I can't believe you think any of that reduces the toxic waste from solar panel manufacturing.

            Once again you demanded information, then ignore it and pretend to have intelligence because you were something once. Yeah, as if.

          • zebrano

            You wanted to know about my level of intelligence. I told you.
            Stay on the topic. You are a "derailleur", because you don't know how to answer.
            My inverter shows me daily how many pounds of CO2 I saved so far. If interested I let you know. It exceeds by far the toxic waste in manufacturing.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Nope, you listed accomplishments.So, you didn't answer my question, you weren't sticking to the topic of the story and you ignore that simply to continue being stupid.You're a Ron Paul supporter, aren't you?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Nope, you listed accomplishments.So, you didn't answer my question, you weren't sticking to the topic of the story and you ignore that simply to continue being stupid.You're a Ron Paul supporter, aren't you?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Nope, you listed accomplishments.So, you didn't answer my question, you weren't sticking to the topic of the story and you ignore that simply to continue being stupid.You're a Ron Paul supporter, aren't you?

          • zebrano

            Just more rhetoric from you.
            Without intelligence and a solid European education I could not accomplish all I did all those years. Do you need a complete list?
            "You're a Ron Paul supporter, aren't you? " What does this has to do with my accomplishments?
            Derailing the topic again?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            If you were truly intelligent you wouldn't side step issues.
            Partial intelligence or limited intelligence does that more often than true intelligence. And you still ignore the topic of the story that you challenged.

            There is a huge problem with the toxic waste caused by the manufacture of solar panels. What you do with those panels is not relevant to the discussion, not really. And challenging the story and then ignoring and rejecting the evidence provided to your challenge shows you have a low IQ since you can't adapt to the changed situation.

            I don't even much care about your claims of accomplishment, European education? The soviets had all sorts of universities, and they still collapsed, what ever kind of failed education you have doesn't much impress me.

            Derailing the topic again? This is just another example of your side stepping the topic, as usual. And since you support serf a Ron Paul supporter, and try to protect the little whiner I would have to think you're of the same ilk. And that didn't work for the country very well since the dictator was re-elected.

          • zebrano

            It shows again, you are a 100% derailleur.
            You babble a lot without saying anything, You still did not mention anything about your higher education, if you have any.
            You are a derailleur, bringing in Serf, Ron Paul, the Soviets.
            Looks like you are toxic internet waste.
            I love those solar panels, saves me some $350.00 a month in Summer time.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you babbled without addressing a single issue I reminded you of.

            You can't deal with the facts so you just sling mud.
            And the money you save poisoned the earth and the chinese slave laborers used to manufacture those solar panels and batteries.

            Remember that when you turn a light on.

          • zebrano

            Mine are made in Germany you babbler.
            Getting still off topic?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So you contribute to the poisoning of your home land.That isn't very nice is it?

          • zebrano

            Clean energy my friend. I love it and so do my neighbors.
            They are catching on when they look at my monthly bills.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Then read the story and realize there is a price tag for solar, and you're not the one paying it.

            There is clean energy without the toxic waste, but you're too much a jerk to bother finding out about it. Life doesn't stop and revolve around your bills,

  • PocketOyster

    "About Daniel Greenfield

    Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam. He is completing a book on the international challenges America faces in the 21st century."

    So let me guess Daniel, you support the war on Iraq and movements to invade Iran as well? wow this is really starting to add up now. How much stock in Oil companies do you have? Don't listen to this guy, he just wants to see his stock shares go up. Oil is only good for the investor. Solar Energy is good for anyone who invests in it, and anyone who doesn't. Plus less war. I want less war.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      So let me guess, you support what happened to Daniel Pearl?
      And solar energy has cost a lot of investors a chunk of change, including tax payers. Solyndra anyone?

      • patriothere

        Besides even with solar energy you will still get just a few big corporations running the whole thing. That's how it works.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          How it works is that the sun goes down and solar shuts down for the day.

          • patriothere

            Not with battery technology.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And batteries are toxic enough that we're better off burning natural gas.

          • patriothere

            Batteries store energy. We won't be exploiting the earth for resources in the future.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Batteries don't store energy efficiently and are toxic to build.Thats' why we don't have electric cars that sell very well.

          • patriothere

            Tell your car that. Tell your laptop that. Everything is toxic to build. It's not gonna stop progress.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Maybe not in Iran. We have standards here in the west.That's why we have clean water to drink and air to breath.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Maybe not in Iran. We have standards here in the west.That's why we have clean water to drink and air to breath.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Maybe not in Iran. We have standards here in the west.That's why we have clean water to drink and air to breath.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Maybe not in Iran. We have standards here in the west.That's why we have clean water to drink and air to breath.

          • patriothere

            Thanks to government we have clean water to drink and clean air to breath.

            Batteries store energy wonderfully without god btw.

  • zebrano

    "Millions of pounds of Carcinogenic toxic waste…."
    Show me links. stats, facts, figures, otherwise this article is all BULL.
    I have not paid a bill in almost 4 years and have not supported a giant utility corporation.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger
      • zebrano

        Nothing new from environmentalists.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          Yet it included the information you wanted.

          • zebrano

            Stop stalking me. I did not ask you for phony information.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Zebrano, You said this
            "Show me links. stats, facts, figures, otherwise this article is all BULL. "
            When you play in the big boy pool where real debate goes on and throw out a challenge like that expect to get an answer, even from someone as mean and nasty as you think I am.

          • zebrano

            I like to hear from real big boys, not from stalkers.
            I'm sure glad you have not found my site yet, it is not on ID, so you are dead in the water.
            Still starting more problems on 912com? Will you ever learn? Serf is very much loved over there.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Poor little Zebrano, if you don't like playing with the big boys why did you post here and throw out such an easily dispelled challenge?

            Just like abuse like Serf does? I notice you dont' say serf is balance or reasonable in his posts. So, you're not as far gone as he is. And note to the sane part of your brain, I didn't care about serf until he started attacking my tea party and insulting the last best hope of the republican party, the loyal conservative base.

          • patriothere

            There are no big boys here. Just trolls.

          • patriothere

            There are no big boys here. Just trolls. except for me of course.

          • zebrano

            ………and except me of course, LOL……………..

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, and and one is a paid hack troll, what a coincidence.

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • patriothere

            Yet I am not. You PROVE You are one by your actions.

          • zebrano

            You are a waste of my time.
            The tea party your last best hope? Look around its members, most of them vote with the RINOS.
            Do you still comment on a dead site? Boy you are really smart and a liar too.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you have a better solution that is replacing Lugars, Bennett's and other total RINO's?

            Boy when you get in a snit you're the waste of time. Someone ask a question and I answered them. That was what the site was about before it was hijacked by the brain dead.

          • zebrano

            Your are the snit.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Coming from you….
            Never mind, I don't want to set you off the way smerfy serf does.

          • patriothere

            Roger is a cancer.

          • zebrano

            He derails almost every post, he does not understand to stay on a topic.
            He still posts on the wolverines, that is magic.
            He is a 24/7 KEYBOARDIAN………………what a life.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why not quote me so people will realize why I did, and can realize it made sense. And answered the question for someone that asked what had happened.

            what a life.

          • patriothere

            He's a 50 year old nobody. I feel sorry for him.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Really, a paid hack troll (a rented mouth of sorts) doesn't like me.
            That's a good thing in my world.

  • patriothere

    I'm not the ones that peddles talking points. That's you.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      Do muslim trolls, you know the paid hacks such as yourself… do they praise you at the mosque?

      • patriothere

        Response.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          Not a response.

          • patriothere

            That's 99% of your comments.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And 8,000% of yours.

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • patriothere

            How's that aspergers coming along?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            He's your doctor ask him.

  • patriothere

    There is not and there never will be. It is a lie. Just because you read somewhere does not make it true. People read that there were spaghetti trees, does that mean there are spaghetti trees. Orson welles scared the country with his radio address of aliens invading.

    It's not your fault hilbilly, it's years of white trash inbreeding.

  • zebrano

    He derails almost every post, he does not understand to stay on a topic.
    He still posts on the wolverines, that is magic.

  • zebrano

    He derails almost every post, he does not understand to stay on a topic.
    He still posts on the wolverines, that is magic.
    He is a 24/7 KEYBOARDIAN………………

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Yet you are, you PROVE you are by your lame comments that only make sense to your handlers.

    • patriothere

      You may think that. But I know the truth.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Still making things up to keep the handlers happy?

  • patriothere

    Say what you want. I KNOW you are a troll. You think you are a smart ass but all you're really doing is abusing peoples tolerance. You're a terrorist in a way.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Why do you pretend I”m not?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Why do you pretend I”m not?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Why do you pretend I”m not?

    • patriothere

      Were you applauding the Iranian time machine. It's a great achievement for humanity.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Did you drop a heavy rock on it to see if gravity was real?

        • patriothere

          Did you step outside to see if evolution was real?

        • patriothere

          I mean look at your pets if you have any. jesus christ. Don't you know that all dogs come from wolves?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Canines are all related, but they all have amazing capabilities like noses. Would a half evolved nose have worked for them?Nope, but the designer knew what He wanted and there it is.A nose, a sensitive nose and the nervous system in place to manage it.

          • patriothere

            The nose adapted according to it's environment. No creator necessary.

            Dogs come from wolves. God did not create wolves and dogs. Organisms come from other organisms.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            But until it functioned there is no reason to evolve and adapt.

            So there would need to be a designer.

          • patriothere

            The nose adapted according to it's environment. No creator necessary.

            Dogs come from wolves. God did not create wolves and dogs. Organisms come from other organisms.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why? At what point was the nose useful to animals?

        • patriothere

          Creationists would say that god created wolves and dogs. Not so.

        • patriothere

          god created humans and chimps. Not so.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Are you saying you are equal to a chimp?

          • patriothere

            Man evolved from other species.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Are you saying you're equal to a chimp?

          • patriothere

            Humans have 98% of the same DNA as chimps. They can even use chimps blood for human blood transfusions.

            Amazonian women have on record breast fed their young on one breast and a baby chimp on the other. I've seen it.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So, you claim to be equal to chimps?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Every day. And all day long. And not a moment past that.

    • patriothere

      At least you agree with me.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Do I? When I turn on my lights it isn't when the sun is out.And the toxic wastes from solar panel manufacture and batteries is not sustainable.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Do I? When I turn on my lights it isn't when the sun is out.And the toxic wastes from solar panel manufacture and batteries is not sustainable.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Do I? When I turn on my lights it isn't when the sun is out.And the toxic wastes from solar panel manufacture and batteries is not sustainable.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Do I? When I turn on my lights it isn't when the sun is out.And the toxic wastes from solar panel manufacture and batteries is not sustainable.

        • patriothere

          Yeah you did. I said solar is the future and you said every day. Not everything has to be an argument between you and me.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I said every day from dawn until sun set.The sun doesn't help much when it's over the horizon.And the story was about the toxic wastes from solar cells, You like to forget that.

          • patriothere

            Every day. And all day long. And not a moment past that. "

            That's what you said. Thanks for agreeing with me. Not everything has to be an argument. Solar is the future. It isn't the now but it is the future.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I dont' agree with you, because most lighting is used after dark when solar is off line.

          • patriothere

            Every day. And all day long. And not a moment past that. "

            That's what you said. Thanks for agreeing with me. Not everything has to be an argument. Solar is the future. It isn't the now but it is the future.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And when do you use lighting? After solar is not collecting. That's problematic.

  • patriothere

    It's the truth. Clean coal is stupid just like you.

  • patriothere

    All we have to do is harness the abundant energy that comes from the sun.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      And all we'd have to do is utilize the energy on the planet too.And do you have a solar flashlight by any chance?

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      And all we'd have to do is utilize the energy on the planet too.And do you have a solar flashlight by any chance?

      • patriothere

        I have a flashlight that runs on batteries. Efficient batteries that will improve over time. Progress.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    I think you call Gravity a theory and i explained how you can test and see if it's factual or not.Just think of how much your foot wont' get hit by any dropping rocks since gravity isn't real.Theory, or fact.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    I think you call Gravity a theory and i explained how you can test and see if it's factual or not.Just think of how much your foot wont' get hit by any dropping rocks since gravity isn't real.Theory, or fact.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    I think you call Gravity a theory and i explained how you can test and see if it's factual or not.Just think of how much your foot wont' get hit by any dropping rocks since gravity isn't real.Theory, or fact.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Do I? When I turn on my lights it isn't when the sun is out.And the toxic wastes from solar panel manufacture and batteries is not sustainable.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Do I? When I turn on my lights it isn't when the sun is out.And the toxic wastes from solar panel manufacture and batteries is not sustainable.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    They wish, Batteries are proving to be problematic.LIke on the 787.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    They wish, Batteries are proving to be problematic.LIke on the 787.

    • patriothere

      Batteries store energy on my laptop wonderfully.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Fine, and how long will that light your tent or cave in Iran?

        • patriothere

          Just concede. Not everything has to be an argument.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Concede to whom? You or your handlers?I don't know the name of the person currently manning this profile. But why would I concede when you're not correct?Just because you want the last word? That's not winning the debate, that's just being so boring everyone falls asleep on you.

    • patriothere

      How are those smart phones working? is god powering those phones? No.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        And how many bombs have you tried to set off only to find you can't locate your solar charger?

        • patriothere

          Just agree with me. Not everything has to be an argument.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            When you ever get handlers that make sense then I'll know Iran is evolving.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    You didn't check out my link. They can use coal without burning it now.You spent too much time dropping heavy rocks on your foot to test the 'theory' of gravity, didn't you?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    You didn't check out my link. They can use coal without burning it now.You spent too much time dropping heavy rocks on your foot to test the 'theory' of gravity, didn't you?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    You didn't check out my link. They can use coal without burning it now.You spent too much time dropping heavy rocks on your foot to test the 'theory' of gravity, didn't you?

    • patriothere

      I read your link and it doesn't prove anything.

      There is no such thing as clean coal.

    • patriothere

      They can do a lot of things but things are not always economically viable. Remember ethanol? It was great until it competed with the food supply.

      If it takes 10 calories of energy to produce 1 calorie of this "clean coal" will they do it? No!

      And besides there is no such thing as clean coal.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Sounds like that nuclear program, not economically viable.Brazil uses saw grass, we are limited to corn. Corn is a food, saw grass isn't.

        • patriothere

          Irans nuclear program is totally economically viable. They are sitting on the second largest oil supply in the world. It makes sense to sell the oil and with those profits invest in alternatives like Nuclear and Solar and wind etc.

          Ethanol competed with the food supply and was a terrible idea.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Only until it gets blown up.

          • patriothere

            You threaten an entire country? LOL!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I only seem to threaten your temper.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    And all we'd have to do is utilize the energy on the planet too.And do you have a solar flashlight by any chance?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Then how many times have you been able to drop a heavy rock on your foot and not had it fall?Gravity is a force of nature, call it what you will, it is a fact.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    What, do you want me to find a farsi version for you?

    • patriothere

      No I want you to not believe everything you hear or read.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Is that what your handlers told you when you started?

        • patriothere

          Don't believe everything you read or hear.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Not from you, that's for sure.I know what I see in the world around me. And it's too much diversity, too much complexity. Evolution doesn't explain that.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Not from you, that's for sure.I know what I see in the world around me. And it's too much diversity, too much complexity. Evolution doesn't explain that.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    And do you find that the batteries don't last very long on a single charge? Hmmm?

    • patriothere

      My cell phone battery works fine. I charge it once a week.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        So, I guess you don't get many calls. I bet the handlers keep you on a short leash.

        • patriothere

          Just agree with me. Batteries work fine.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Batteries dont' store enough energy or recharge fast enough for long enough.That's why electric cars have 'range anxiety'.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    I was designed so I can walk outside, but when I do I see grass designed to live and grow in it's niche, and stars in the sky that are amazing, and can do that with eyes that only work as a complete unit and not as half evolved organs that would have had no useful purpose. So, why did they start evolving and then keep evolving until completion that may or may not have happened?Intelligent design.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    I was designed so I can walk outside, but when I do I see grass designed to live and grow in it's niche, and stars in the sky that are amazing, and can do that with eyes that only work as a complete unit and not as half evolved organs that would have had no useful purpose. So, why did they start evolving and then keep evolving until completion that may or may not have happened?Intelligent design.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    I was designed so I can walk outside, but when I do I see grass designed to live and grow in it's niche, and stars in the sky that are amazing, and can do that with eyes that only work as a complete unit and not as half evolved organs that would have had no useful purpose. So, why did they start evolving and then keep evolving until completion that may or may not have happened?Intelligent design.

    • patriothere

      The human species evolved from millions of years of being in the swamps and grasslands of Africa to where we are today standing upright driving cars and playing with smarphones. No god necessary. No creator necessary.

      If you have questions go read a science book. Don't ask me for help. I have tried to educate you but you don't listen to me. You just want to argue with me non-stop.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Are all persians of this same opinion, or do they think they're better than apes?

        • patriothere

          The human species evolved from millions of years of being in the swamps and grasslands of Africa to where we are today standing upright driving cars and playing with smarphones. No god necessary. No creator necessary.

          If you have questions go read a science book. Don't ask me for help. I have tried to educate you but you don't listen to me. You just want to argue with me non-stop

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Or the Human species is not equal to apes and was designed.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    I advocate for 'intelligent design'. If you can quote me as saying “Creation” go for it.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    I advocate for 'intelligent design'. If you can quote me as saying “Creation” go for it.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    I advocate for 'intelligent design'. If you can quote me as saying “Creation” go for it.

    • patriothere

      You advocate for nonsense. Creationism.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        I advocate for intelligent design.

        • patriothere

          Creationism. Nonsense. ID is creationism.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, it's not. But you don't understand either well enough to explain them for your handlers.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Then prove it's not fact by showing it's not a constant.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Then prove it's not a real fact.
    When doesn't it work?

    Just because we don't understand the mechanics doesn't mean it's any less real.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Evolution is a theory, and a theory with gaps and holes at that.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    No, and neither are you. Nor your handlers.

  • patriothere

    Gravity is a theory just like evolution. Why are you arguing with me on this?

    Buzzard.

  • patriothere

    Evolution is a force of nature.