Terrorism Without End

Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam. He is completing a book on the international challenges America faces in the 21st century.


The reason why the Israeli-Palestinian peace process is doomed can be summed up in a paragraph. The Arab populations left in political limbo when Israel recaptured in 1967 the territory that it had lost to Egypt and Jordan in 1948 exist only as a strategic weapon of disruption. They have been shaped into a population that is defined only by terrorism because that is the purpose that their sponsors put them to. There can be no constructive outcome of the conflict because you cannot negotiate with a weapon.

The trouble is not that Israel is unable to reach a settlement with the Palestinians; but that the Muslim countries funding and operating the terrorist groups that constitute the Palestinian political factions are unwilling to give up their weapon. Negotiating with the Palestinian Authority or Hamas is like trying to negotiate with a gun or bargain with an attack dog. There is nothing to be gained from such a futile task. The conflict will end only when those countries that are behind it will decide that it should end. And they have no reason to want it to end.

Palestinian terrorism is a strategic weapon of disruption that confines and unbalances Israel. At a cost of millions, the sponsors of that terror have inflicted billions in economic damage. And there is no reason for them to stop. Watching Israel and America try to reason with their attack dogs amuses them and allows them to expand their own influence by offering to act as mediators.

For that same reason, Islamic terrorism in general is also not going anywhere. What the Palestinians are to Israel, Muslim terrorists are to the West and the rest of the world. They are strategic weapons which are allowed to exist because they serve the purposes of their sponsors. Like most living weapons, they occasionally turn in the hands of their sponsors, but that only makes the task of directing them at the proper targets more urgent.

Terrorism can never be defeated by fighting terrorists. Combine massive wealth in some parts of the Middle East with staggering poverty in other parts and the supply of mercenaries is nearly endless. Syrian Jihadists are being paid $150 a month by Qatar; a good salary for an unskilled laborer in a region where life is cheap and every family has plenty of surplus sons and mouths to feed. A barrel of oil can buy the services of a killer for a month and Qatar pumps out millions of barrels a day.

Terrorism is cheap for the sponsors, profitable for the participants and hideously expensive for the targets. A soldier in a First World nation can cost six figures. For that same amount, a backward oil tyranny can field a hundred men. When those hundred men kill a soldier, then his nation will be heartbroken and question the costs of war. When those hundred men die, their mothers will ceremonially wail and cry out for more martyrs to avenge them. And the terror will go on.

Islam makes the process easier. Like Palestinian nationalism, it is a war machine whose ideas lubricate the recruitment, rampages and replenishment of fresh cannon fodder for the wars of the old rich men of the region.

That difference in attitude and ideology is at the heart of the power imbalance. As long as that imbalance exists, then a hundred poorly trained fighters who can hardly shoot without killing themselves will still edge the Army of One.

No Muslim country has been able to field an army that will match a Western nation in some time. The Israeli-Arab wars punishingly drove that lesson home as the tiny Jewish State managed to prevail even when it faced superior numbers and at times even superior technology and surprise attacks.

Palestinian nationalism was born out of the humiliating realization that no amount of firepower and manpower would suffice to sweep Israel off the map. It was an attempt at creating a secularized Islam with a mythical nationalism replacing a mythical religion. But at its moment of greatest success, it began to merge with Islam, like a river returning to the sea. Under Hamas, Palestinian nationalism is completing its merger with Islamism.

Terrorism in the Muslim world was reborn out of that same realization, its secular attachments diminishing as it falls back into the Islamic roots of its birth.  Arab Nationalism failed to produce a single army that could take on the West. Egypt’s armies were smashed by Israel. Iraq’s were torn apart by the United States. And so civilized mass warfare was instead replaced by a primitive calculated chaos.

Saddam’s Republican Guard could not even dream of defeating the United States, but years of terrorism could. Israel beat down entire armies, but blinked in the face of repeated terrorist attacks. An army is expensive, but a terrorist, even a suicide bomber, is cheap. War is expensive, but calculated chaos can be had at cut-rate prices.

Terrorism has no “off switch” because it’s too profitable. There is no down side for its sponsors who can inflict significant amounts of harm and collect enormous profits for a few million here and there. Their power to temporarily turn off the terror makes them even more powerful and influential.

Muslims have gone from nonentities in the Western political sphere to huge power players not through oil, but through the terror that they bought with that oil. Americans paid little attention to Muslims until September 11. Since then Muslims have been flattered and promoted, their political interests have been pandered to and their leaders have gained an enormous amount of influence. Not only has all this pandering failed to stop terrorism, it has instead provided a compelling motive for more terrorism.

Terrorism saw its field test in Israel where it successfully disrupted the national way of life. And then that weapon was deployed on a large scale in New York, Washington DC, London and Madrid.

In Israel, the terrorists became partners. Each act of strategic disruption further increased the scale of concessions in the hopes of getting them to accept that arrangement as the basis for a stable society. Now the United States has made Muslim sponsors of terrorism into its partners in the hopes of getting them to use their newfound power to build a stable international order. The predictable results of that disaster can be seen in the Arab Spring.

There is no way forward without accepting that Islamic terrorism is not a set of particular movements fighting over nationalist causes in Israel and India, over religious causes in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and over tribal causes in Nigeria and Somalia; it is a multi-headed hydra. Each head has its own identity, but it is the body that counts. That body lies under the surface in the form of ideological organizations such as the Muslim Brotherhood, but even deeper it lies in the flow of funds and influence from oil countries.

Until we accept that the terrorists matter less than their sponsors, we will be stuck fighting terrorism without end.

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  • Suzie

    Let's drill for oil and gas and use our own natural resources and labor force so as not to support terrorisms' sponsors.

    • Mary Sue

      and come get our oil, too (Canadian).

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        G-D Bless Canada!

    • Big Irish

      Keystone Pipeline!….then we can tell Venezuala and the Saudis to kiss our NA ass!…I aint betting on the stooge in the White House to do the right thing though – hes too busy BOWING down to the muslims….great article Daniel

      • Mary Sue

        Problem is Obama will probably block it.

    • EarlyBird

      Right on, Suzie. AND work for alternatives to oil in general, such as nuclear and other stuff they're working on. That does in fact take strategic investment.

  • http://www.adinakutnicki.com AdinaK

    Everything written in this article is true, but there are alternatives. However, Israel's leaders have to be up to the task, and this is decidedly not the case, at this point in time – http://adinakutnicki.com/2013/01/27/presenting-pa

    Terrorists do what they do best, and those who support them will not cease and desist. Therefore, the above paradigm shift is more than efficacious.

    Adina Kutnicki, Israel http://adinakutnicki.com/about/

    • JacksonPearson

      "For Sunni Muslims, the patriarch of Islamic terrorism is Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab. He who was born in 1703 in the Arabian Peninsula and was a student of Ibn Taymiyah. Wahhabist Islam is known today as the most pure and authentic, and thus fundamental form of the religion. Muhammad Wahhab based his Islam on the Salaf, the earliest Muslim ancestors who were the Companions of Muhammad.

      The Salaf brought the Quran, the Sira, Tarikh, and Hadith – Islam's oldest and most authoritative sources. Since Muhammad said that Islam could not change, Wahhab taught that anything which was not officially mandated by Muhammad and Allah had no place in the religion. It is why Wahhabists call themselves "Salafists," and why they are the best, most authentic Muslims.

      n direct contradiction to all who apply the "radical" label to the Islam of today's terrorists, the only way for Wahhab or Salaf Muslims to be practicing a corrupted version of Islam, is for Muhammad and his Companions to have gotten Islam wrong. And if that were true, the religion has no basis of any kind. The moment you come to grips with this simple, yet profound, truth, the connection between Islam and terror becomes clear.

      Make no mistake, the Saud warlords ruling the fiefdom of Saudi Arabia are Wahhabist and resolute Salafists. That is why Saudi Arabia is one of the world's leading terrorist manufacturing facilities and the wellhead of terror funding. It is why 85% of the 9/11 suicide bombers were Saudi subjects. Al-Qaeda is Salafist and Wahhabist, and thus is in lockstep with the Islamic educational and religious system entrenched in Saudi Arabia. Osama bin Laden's authority comes from Salafi Islam. Period.
      –Craig Winn

      • WilliamJamesWard

        Think on it, George Bush called Islam a religion of piece, isn't that amazing considering
        our ties to the Saudis. I wonder what Chaney had to tell them on his visit after 9/11,
        that would be a time to be a fly on the wall, or maybe not considering Saud is the Lord
        of The Flies……………………………………….William

        • EarlyBird

          Though the Iraq War was a disaster for America in both concept and execution (and this website would be calling for Obama's head had he blown it that badly), I believe Bush's intentions were good. He knew we (including his Dad in particular) were way too cozy with the House of Saud. He wanted to use Iraq as a base of US power in the region, and remove our troops from the "holy" Arab Peninsula (which he did). And then, we would lean on the Saudis to clean up their act.

          Sadly the entire war was fantasy-based.

      • Walt

        "Osama bin Laden's authority comes from Salafi Islam. Period." Osama bin Laden has no authority! He is DEAD.

  • Michael Copeland

    The Barbary Pirates inflicted terrorism and extortion on the young undefended United States, which paid “protection” money to be left alone. Eventually Thomas Jefferson’s sense prevailed: the Marine Corps was founded. They attacked and burnt pirate ships, landed in North Africa, took Tripoli, liberated captives being held for ransom, and insisted on compensation. The piracy stopped.
    That is the track record of a stratagem that WORKED.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      The Islamist Somali pirates were punished too.

    • whateverman

      I wonder why the US didn't use that strategy against those tha attacked and sank the USS Liberty…some people get a pass for killing American soldiers, i guess.

      • JacksonPearson

        You have your historical facts back-ass-words….
        You mean a pass was given to the Johnson administration for killing American Naval personnel…right?

  • Michael Copeland

    I forgot to mention what most readers probably well know anyway, the Barbary Pirates were muslim jihadis doing what the Koran mandates, war on the unbelievers, the taking of captives for ransom or sale into slavery. So what has changed ?

    • whateverman

      Is that the same Koran used to justify slavery in the US at that same time?

      • Indioviejo

        That's pretty stupid. The western world did not follow the Koran to justify slavery, since it was well accepted in the ancient world. For every Magna Carta, there were surfs tied to the land in Europe, so that blacks are not the only ones who ever suffered, but since most people are ignorant of the facts they have created a sense of victimhood and self pity in order to hold the stupid whites guilty. Slavery existed before the U.S. came into existence, and it still exist as per the Koran. Black Africans are still bought and sold by Muslim slavers in the Sudan, Saudi Arabia and everywhere in the Muslim world.

      • Lan Astaslem

        As usual you show your ignorance. Slavery has existed all over the world – still exists in many muslim cesspools. The US was unique in abolishing it.

      • Mary Sue

        It's the same Koran that justified the Arab slave traders that still operate today (and who also were involved in selling black slaves to the United States)

      • EarlyBird

        "Is that the same Koran used to justify slavery in the US at that same time?"

        No. See, Whateverman, one can criticize America's enemies and also criticise American sins at the same time. Don't play the same silly game that the right wingers on this board play, such as if you criticize Israel that makes you therefore a "jihadist" or something.

  • Chezwick

    Good article, but let's be clear, for as long as Islam exists, there will be Jihad….and this is one of the things that terrifies liberals so much that they're compelled to fabricate a false moderation about the religion, a pretty lie that helps them sleep at night. And when WMDs become common in the Muslim world (which they surely will folks), the level of anxiety in the West will rise to new heights and – in order to psychologically cope – produce ever-greater fallacious narratives that contort reality.

    For example, 20 years ago, any Muslim advocating Sharia was considered an extremist. Today, even so-called enlightened conservatives such as Charles Krauthammer make reference to "moderate Islamists."

    We're in for a long war. It can be managed….but it will take nerve, stoicism and above all, patience. Does the Western world have that kind of staying-power, or is our collective ADD destined to distract us from our civilizational self-defense? The answer lies in what has already transpired. Just witness the obsequious validation we confer on the RoP.

    • Randy McDaniels

      KING OF JORDAN: " There is no Radical Islam, There is no Moderate Islam…. There is ONLY Islam.

      And this is one of our "Allies"…. well at least for now

      • Chezwick

        King Abdullah speaks the truth. If only someone in the West who wasn't on the margins of the political spectrum were listening.

    • Indioviejo

      Charles Krauthammer is into the PC culture. There are other instances where he slips up in his conservative POV. Unfortunately Fox is always trying for the "fair and balanced" approach even if it distorts the truth a little.

      • Chezwick

        You're absolutely right. And sadly, Krauthammer is one of the most insightful voices on the Right among TV pundits….which shows just how feeble our intellectual defense of freedom currently is.

    • rob

      Right on Chezwick! Until we, collectively, are willing to spotlight the true cause of all of this terrorism and jihad, namely islam and muhammad itself, then we will be endlessly chasing false narratives. I like that this article focuses on the men behind the curtain controlling the jihadists but I am looking forward to the day when it is common knowledge what is behind the curtain that controls the people behind the first curtain, again, namely islam and muhammad. This is the truth that very few want to acknowledge. Granted it is pretty bleak when one comes to the realization that the cause of ALL this chaos across the world is the ideoplgy of islam and muhammad, not the terrorists, the jihadists, or even their sponsors. They are not the source! Islam and muhammad are. I say, better to look an unpleasant truth in the eye rather than looking for solutions in all the places where they will clearly not be found, though it may calm our fears that it is something other than what it really is because what it really is is too grim to accept. Trust me, it actually is liberating to see this situation for what it is, and when more of us do wake up to this truth, we will be supporting each other.

      • Chezwick

        Appreciate the input, Rob. I' think you're more sanguine about our prospects than I am. I don't see an awakening occurring at all….quite the opposite, I see the vice of political-correctness growing ever tighter. But I hope you're right and I'm wrong.

        • rob

          Chezwick , actually I am not very optimistic at all of a mass awakening. historically islm has never really lost anywhere. India is a prime example. they have been subjected to centuries of jihad which has decimated this once Grand civilization yet they appease Islam just like the West does. in fact the whole world appeases Islam. nowhere on this planet is there an awakening to what islam really is despite its history of conquest. this points to a mass psychosis much like the stockhome syndrome that Islam induces in people, Muslims included. if I sounded optimistic it is only because I can see very clearly how islam can be defeated and that seems this situation clearly is in itself fulfilling for me in that I would prefer to see things as they actually are rather than have blinders on. I am NOT optimistic however that we will break through this mass psychoses.

          • rob

            spell check correction: if I sounded optimistic it is only because I can see very clearly how islam can be defeated and that, for me, seeing this situation clearly is in itself fulfilling, in that I would prefer to see things as they actually are rather than have blinders on. I will add that I believe that it would be incredibly fulfilling for all infidels to collectively see this together. we would see our common bond and work together to solve the problem. I know it is possible but that does not mean that I think it will happen. but I can still put it out there and hope that it happens.

    • WilliamJamesWard

      I note "they're compelled to fabricate a false moderation about the religion, a pretty
      lie that helps them sleep at night". I wonder if that is not just what George Bush did.
      You're insight is profoundly pressing the issue and were it to be brought to light
      throughout media and past government denial, the obvious and only solution would be
      forthcoming…………………William

      • Chezwick

        "I wonder if that is not just what George Bush did."

        That is exactly what George Bush did….further burnishing his credentials as a quasi-liberal. Let's remember, the crowning legislative "achievement" of his presidency was the prescription-drug subsidy for seniors. According to 'debtclockus.org', the unfunded liabilities for the prescription-drug subsidy are now greater than those for Social Security.

        • EarlyBird

          "That is exactly what George Bush did….further burnishing his credentials as a quasi-liberal. Let's remember, the crowning legislative "achievement" of his presidency was the prescription-drug subsidy for seniors. According to 'debtclockus.org', the unfunded liabilities for the prescription-drug subsidy are now greater than those for Social Security."

          Chez, I never thought I would read such an honest criticism of George W Bush on this website ever in my life. Thank you. Though a good man, his presidency was a disaster of epic proportions.

  • popseal

    "I regret there are no more infidels to be put to the sword and were it not for the sea, I would contine West!" said the jihad general when he arrived at acnient Spain's Atlantic coast in the Eighth Century. Until Islam changes, this jihad crap will go on…………….quote from Andrew Wheatcroft's "Infidels: History of Conflict Between Christendom and Islam"

    • Mary Sue

      If he'd continued west the Indians would have kicked their @$$es.

  • Guest

    "A barrel of oil can buy the services of a killer for a month and Qatar pumps out millions of barrels a day."

    Qatar can also buy a ready made propaganda machine within the US together with an immoral ex VP and Congress must hold a hearing regarding this 5th column move.
    http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/congress-resisting-cal

  • kate5778b

    The ONLY way for peace, is to go back to the original, legally binding mandate. ALL THE ARAB Mandates have been honoured, only the one for Jews have not.
    http://www.mythsandfacts.org/conflict/mandate_for

    and a shortie here:

    http://www.mythsandfacts.org/conflict/mandate_for

    …..notice all the RE re-establish, re-birth, re-gain.

    The Mandatory ie Great Britain are the Trustee for Jewish Palestine in ALL OF THE LAND (there is ONLY a Jewish Palestine, btw another Mandate was made ie TransJordan for Arabs Palestine is a geographical area not a nationality, never has been or I would be a Cheshirearian: no such thing). The state of Israel, today is less than a 1/4 of its original Mandate. Only the Balfour Declaration carried thru to the 1922 Mandate, the Faisal-Weizmann did not thus the WAQF has no jurisdiction over the holy sites, especially the Temple Mount or clearly Jewish sites such as Kever Macpelah.

    Political rights in Palestine are for Jews ONLY just as in TRANS Jordan Jews were not allowed to live (still not allowed to be citizens, I believe) and in TransJordan Arabs only have political rights ONLY too: it is to keep the cultural flavour of each Mandate.

    Lobby our govt. here;s the Foreign Office:

    Mr William Hague
    Foreign & Commonwealth Office,
    King Charles Street,
    London.
    SW1A 2AH

    Anyway, do read these very easy and informative reads – write, make the UK Government accountable by letting them know that we know they have reneged many times on Palestine which always was only Jewish – they're not that bright you can't use the word 'palestine' without qualifying it, they also only go from 1947 resolution 181- actually all of these are nil and void as the Arabs have never accepted and have used violence so they are not valid all the more reason to go back to the original Mandates.

    Oh and remember it is not in the original mandate to have Jerusalem as an international city.

    Palestine Electric Company
    Palestine Symphony Orchestra
    Anglo-Palestinian bank
    Palwin's
    remember Jews would have identified themselves as Palestinian Jews and Arabs would have not referred to themselves as "Palestinian".

    "the termination of beligerency, together with respect for the territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area" UN sec C Res 242 22nd Nov 1967

    ……can you see the Arab Jordanians/Syrians/Egyptians doing this? No, so going back to the original mandate is the only way.

    • Arlie

      kate5778b – a video that is excellent and covers all of the subject matter you state is available on you tube. The Legal Case for Israel by Professor Eugene Kontorovisch from his talk at NYU.
      http://www.youtube/watch?v=ub2x5UvjUs4

      Sarah Palin "drill, drill, drill". One thing could solve a multitude of problems.

      Another problem solver…..When you subscribe to cable or satellite by giving any of your hard earned dollars to the main stream lying, corrupt media…soon to have Al Jazeera, which will foster home grown terrorism, YOU are contributing to the spread of Leftist Propaganda through out the country.
      I am not alone in this thinking….and have long since shut the off completely. Even going to a smaller local internet provider. Comcast is one of the worst!! http://www.intellectualfroglegs.com

    • JacksonPearson

      The map sure changed, and it wasn't in favor of Israel.
      And of course, adjoining Arab nations would never go for the way it was suppose to be setup. Hell, they couldn't stand to see the postage stamp size of Israel, let alone going to the way it was originally proposed.

  • Jaladhi

    Islam and Muslims are terrorism without end. When Mo says "he has been made victorious by terror "- it says it all about them and their cult!!

  • The Watchman

    This article is correct in all aspects, except one. The very first paragraph is not accurate, although it is a justifiable error of us humans, to search for a human answer to everything. The reason there will be no successful peace between Israel and the Palistinians is in the Bible, not the history books, or news chronicles of battles fought between Israel and it's surrounding countries. There will be no peace, because the Lord our God made a covenant with Abraham and the land of Israel is a huge part of that holy and sacred covenant. Where Israel sits today and with Jerusalem as it's capitol, was a gift from God, and there will be no peace for those who try to take Israel from the Jews. God told Abraham that He would bless those who bless him, and curse those who curse him. Therefore the bottom line is, any nation that tries to destroy Israel, i.e. "Abraham's seed", will be destroyed. Peace in the entire Middle-East will come only when Jesus the Christ returns and establishes His kingdom here on earth.

    • John Spielman

      Amen again I say amen

      • WilliamJamesWard

        Psalm 83………….William

  • antisharia

    Klling jihadtsts is important, but we've never been all that serious about getting rid of their patrons. Take Iran out of the picture and Islamic terrorism will be crippled for generations. Killing the jihadists while leaving their patrons alive is like getting all of the pawns on the chess board, but making no moves to get the king.

  • Gee

    The only way to negotiate with terrorists is to talk to them until you can get close enough to kill them and then do so. Dead terrorists can't hurt you

  • RiverFred

    A few nuclear tipped missiles aimed at Iran's nuclear sites and anyone else who supports the terrorist should do the trick. I seriously doubt any other means will work.

  • http://www.clarespark.com clarespark

    It is frightening to see Obama's foreign policy with respect to Israel so indebted to New Left "anti-imperialism", which was pleasing to the Soviet Union. I wrote about an earlier instance, using the Ralph Bunche papers at UCLA that showed behind the scenes diplomacy with respect to the British Mandate. See http://clarespark.com/2009/10/09/conflict-resolut…. "Conflict-resolution and Ralph Bunche's Nobel Prize."

  • Sky Soldier

    Isn't it odd that the Jihadists, terrorists, al Queda, Taliban, and Hamas attacks the average citizen but they don't do after nation's leaders? It makes one wonder if there's an "agreement" between world leaders and the terrorists.

  • Smote

    I say this to Israel: you have nuclear weapons, so use them! Use them now! Tomorrow may well be too late.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      India also has nukes.

      The Islamofascist world is Target Rich.

      Mecca is smaller than Israel.

      • EarlyBird

        Are you saying that Israel should nuke India too?

  • Indioviejo

    Daniel, it is a good assessment of causes and effects, but I would fight Islam, the mother of terrorist. First we need a world-wide campaign of information about Islam. Secondly, we need to provoke reformation of the satanic cult, and lastly we need to defeat them so thoroughly as to drive them back into the caves they find so comfortable. Isolate the cancer, then exterminate it. We also need to recognize Muslim immigration to the West as an enemy 5th column.

  • PIERCE2

    Terrorism is a war tactic. Used to prevent this you fight from using their full ability to fight you. It is a deceptive term used to separate combatants from the people to confuse the enemy. If a military can not fight a specific enemy they are reduced to small actions that do not allow for the use of their weapons and technology. If we do not decide that Islam is the problem and destroy them all we will fall to them. That is the tactic.

  • JacksonPearson

    True dat, on all you say…

  • Crossbow87

    I like the logic of this piece…it correctly identifies the idelogical structures of our enemy. But thinking one step further, about how to effectively fight and win against this enemy, is an interesting question. I like to think hypothetically and think of what we would do if we had warrior-leaders and the Democrats didn't exist. If we weren't frustrated by Islam's fellow travelers, it seems reasonable to conclude that since current Muslim efforts at destroying the West begin with the oil-wealth of a few, that should be our first military target and objective; to seize control of their oil. Next it is fairly easy to find out who the ideological leaders are…just watch any video from MEMRI. These become the next list of targets and objectives. With our superior military and without the burden of restraint, we could do so very much to make the world a better place.

    • Drakken

      If you want to deal with the islamist, target their mosques, madrasses, Imams,ayatollahs. Target the oil oligarcies and take their oil fields for our own use. When the enevitable muslim crowd comes out to riot, use mini guns for crowd control.

      • Crossbow87

        Sounds good to me. Problem solved.

  • marios

    .Brilliant article as all Daniel Greenfield published. Comments are great as well. One problem: Leftists/socialists dominate in Western world including US. Leftists will never give up their "brethrens" Jihadists. Dem's in our country did utmost to prevent war in Iraq as they was horrified that Bush and Rep's could win it. Dem's party leaders such as D. Durbin, N. Pelosi, etc went to Saudi Arabia and there blamed US for war crime our troops did and that Muslims in US were discriminated in US after 9/11. It was pure Treason!!! Pocket MSM controlled by those leftists/Dem's covered that treason and supported our defeat. Obama continued it but in more deceptive manner. He did everything US would defeated and therefore embolden our enemies Islamists. Under BHO regime Islamists penetrated and infiltrated in the highest echelon of Power. The majority of "the People" are still not wake up.

    • Drakken

      A western flavor of the Night of the long knives could fix that problem.

  • patriothere

    As long as there is occupation, injustice, racism, apartheid etc. There will be people out there who will try to wage war to end it. jihad comes from the word jahada which means to put forth effort. Jihad is not just holy war. It means to put forth effort. jihad is a way for their to bring peace and justice. And of course islam is against killing women and children.

    Christians and muslims believe that only through their belief system can peace and harmony flourish.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      Are the copts abused and supressed? But do they blow up car bombs?

      islam is violent and surah 9 demands it.

      Why would a paid hack troll such as yourself think he can be taken seriously anyhow? You explained why you post on this forum, should I remind everyone?

      6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
      I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

      • patriothere

        I stand by what I said above. If you look at where all the jihadists are. Where all jihad is taking place, there is rampant injustice, occupation, corruption etc.

        You can't point out an area where there are Jihadists and not corruption, occupation, injustice etc.

        In pakistan there are jihadists, who fight corruption and the drones and the injustices there. In palestine there are jihadists who are fighting the illegal bandit state of israel. In afghanistan there are jihadists. In chechyna there were jihadists. Jihadists have made the American government its enemy because the american government and congress are the enemy of peace, justice, harmony, etc.

        Most people agree that the US government is evil.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          It seems that jihadists are the same ones you think universally accept goat marriages.

          3 hours ago @ KTLA-TV – Local Reaction to Obam… · 12 replies · 0 points
          "jews do suicide bombs.

          stoning is a jewish thing.

          marrying goats is universal.

          child brides is all three judaic religions…."

          • patriothere

            I stand by everything I say.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I know, you just claim the normal muslim 'context' thing. What was the context for this one?

            42 minutes ago @ http://912wolverines.com/ – growl · 0 replies · 0 points
            We want to see israel destroyed. Israel is coming apart at the seams! They can't even manage gaza. You know gaza? That open air concentration prison camp? Well israel can't beat hezbollah, can't manage gaza and they want to get into a war with Iran? HA! What a joke. I hope israel does try something stupid like that because that will be the end of israel.

          • patriothere

            You can use that quote. I stand by it. I don't know what you're trying to prove.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I know, that makes it all the more sad.

          • patriothere

            Not to me.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I know, but then you're just a hack paid troll.

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • patriothere

            You're just trying to stifle meaningful discussion.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            This from a paid hack? This from a paid hack that admits he's just here to drive people out? This from a paid hack that admits to being here just for that motive alone?

            You're not even funny.

          • patriothere

            I'm not trying to be funny and you are trying to stifle meaningful discussion. If you want to talk about Islam, then lets talk about Islam. But don't try to derail the discussion with your troll tactics. I have been reading a lot about the worlds religions. So, step away from your troll talking points and join the conversation.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You aren't funny. But you're still an admitted hack troll paid to be here just to drive people out of the forum.

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You aren't funny. You're illustrative of this one fact.
            http://europenews.dk/en/node/34368

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yet you illustrate the point I linked to.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You are tying to be a paid hack, I understand that, you explained it before.

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Islam demand total submission and rewards it, even if it means suicide bombs. What more would need said?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You are being funny. The stuff you make up is jus to contrary to reality. With news every day of muslim activists blowing things, and each other up, for you to pretend it's peaceful? Yeah, I don't think so.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You don't understand meaningful discussion. That's why you post things like this…

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Cut and paste isn't meaningful discussion.

          • patriothere

            Neither is defending the slaughter of children by god. But hey, it's gods right to give and take away right? God warned them right? LOL! HAHAHAHAHA!!!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            This from the guy who thinks islam is peaceful?

            Or do you just get paid to say that?

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • patriothere

            I don't even care if the israelis are slaugtering the palestinians and practicing apartheid. Just do it in YOUR name, not Americas. Because we get the brunt of the punishment.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Says the paid hack troll.

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • Lan Astaslem

            You're like Oscar Pistorious – you don't have a leg to stand on!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            He is a strange creature, he also thinks that goat weddings are universally accepted too.

            3 hours ago @ KTLA-TV – Local Reaction to Obam… · 12 replies · 0 points
            "jews do suicide bombs.

            stoning is a jewish thing.

            marrying goats is universal.

            child brides is all three judaic religions…."

          • patriothere

            In columbia they have sex with donkeys.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I'm sure you were very tired afterward. Now is it the same with you and the goats?

          • patriothere

            I'm from America.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Is that were you pretend to be from?
            Where are the other people posting that profile from?

          • patriothere

            Where are you from?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Not from the place you speak of.

            42 minutes ago @ http://912wolverines.com/ – growl · 0 replies · 0 points
            We want to see israel destroyed. Israel is coming apart at the seams! They can't even manage gaza. You know gaza? That open air concentration prison camp? Well israel can't beat hezbollah, can't manage gaza and they want to get into a war with Iran? HA! What a joke. I hope israel does try something stupid like that because that will be the end of israel.

          • patriothere

            Good

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why do you hate Israel so much?

          • patriothere

            Because they attacked us on 9/11, on the USS liberty, they get us to fight their wars for them. They contrl our government. Americans want to be free. We don't want to be slaves to the jews. We want to get rid of the ADL, the AIPAC, etc. etc. Dianne feinstein, barbara boxer, howard berman, All these jews are subversives.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The paid hack troll pretends he can be taken seriously?

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

        • Western Canadian

          Even for a muslim, you are stupid.

          ***************
          I stand by what I said above. If you look at where all the jihadists are. Where all jihad is taking place, there is rampant injustice, occupation, corruption etc. ****

          Yes, injustice, occuplation and corruption are all the goal and result of jihad. You left out rape, forced conversion, murder of children, theft of property, kidnapping, slavery…..

          *****
          You can’t point out an area where there are Jihadists and not corruption, occupation, injustice etc.
          *******

          Of course we can’t . Jihad, the most vicious crime ever committed against humanity, always drags its victims down into an islamic gutter. Big of you to admit it.

          • patriothere

            You must be looking at a different text because I have been flipping through pages of the koran and can't find anything to prove what you are saying.

            jihad is the way Muslims believe peace and harmony will flourish. Just like christians beleive through christ peace and harmony will flourish.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why did they put the dumb troll on this profile tonight? Is it on a scheduled rotation or did the regular guy call in sick? You're not as lame as the one they have using the profile on other sites, but you're still not a rocket scientist.

          • patriothere

            Islam comes from the hebrew word shalom which means peace.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No it comes from an arabic term meaning submission.

            Lying about it doesn't change anything.

          • patriothere

            Islam, salam, shalom, Peace.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Repeating a lie over and over only makes that lie 'propaganda'.

          • patriothere

            No it doesn't. What is propaganda troll? Explain it to the world. What is it?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It's when you paid hack troll repeat a lie over and over hoping some poor fools might fall for it.

            It's not working.

          • patriothere

            Nope. Propaganda is half truths and lies used to pass an agenda. What is my agenda other than the truth? I have no agenda. Meanwhile, you, the pathetic troll, parrot the same old tired war propaganda that has been discredited years ago.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Perhaps the way you and iran uses it.

            And that doesn't take anything away from the fact that you're an admitted troll here to stop debate.

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • patriothere

            What agenda do I have? To tell the truth? You agenda is clear. Perpetual war, appeasing the bandit state of israel. You have to lie. I don't have to.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You want to drive us out of the 'temple', this forum.

          • patriothere

            I tell the truth and stand up to you!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, you just do the standing up part because you're paid to, and if you don't, there might be an honor killing.

          • patriothere

            No I'm not. I do this of my own volition. Unlike you.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And did you make money saying that?

          • patriothere

            I do this of my own volition.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And how much money makes you say that?

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • patriothere

            You have a problem with comprehension. Must be all that christian inbreeding.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Really? What breeding do you advocate this kind?

            3 hours ago @ KTLA-TV – Local Reaction to Obam… · 12 replies · 0 points
            "jews do suicide bombs.

            stoning is a jewish thing.

            marrying goats is universal…."

          • patriothere

            I advocate you not procreating. We have enough white trash water headed kids living in trailer parks living on welfare.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            What's wrong, aren' t you trying to pretend you're here for meaningful debate?

          • patriothere

            We don't you spreading mopre burroughs or dams or dens or wherever you filthy scum bags call home.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            How much have you been drinking?

          • Western Candian

            Islam does not come from a Hebrew word, and does not mean peace. Quit lying you pathetic loser.

          • patriothere

            It does. Jerusalem is known as the land of peace. The root word there is Salem, Salam, peace. Shalom is the hebrew word for peace. Islam, Salam, Shalom, peace.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You make this stuff up, or does your handler?

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • patriothere

            Stop your troll tactics. Jerusalem is the land of peace. Sala, means peace. Islam shares that root word. Peace

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Stop your paid hack troll tactics.

            Forced submission, even for the livestock.
            http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4748292.stm

          • patriothere

            I have an agenda to speak the truth. That's all

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Your agenda is many things, but that isn't part of it.

          • patriothere

            The truth is all I have

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yet you say the things here that aren't truth.

          • patriothere

            Where?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Everyplace with your profile attached to it.

          • patriothere

            LOL! Yeah right troll.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And to think they pay you to be this lame.

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • patriothere

            Not on your life troll

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Nope you won't chase me out.

            And so far, Israel stands in spite of the way you said this.

            42 minutes ago @ http://912wolverines.com/ – growl · 0 replies · 0 points
            We want to see israel destroyed. Israel is coming apart at the seams! They can't even manage gaza. You know gaza? That open air concentration prison camp? Well israel can't beat hezbollah, can't manage gaza and they want to get into a war with Iran? HA! What a joke. I hope israel does try something stupid like that because that will be the end of israel.

          • patriothere

            Not for long. Thanks to the arab spring. The whole middle east is gonna wipe israel off the map!

            YAY!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Finally something from the heart.
            Too bad the heart is so twisted.

          • patriothere

            To you it's twisted. That's good. I don't want to be on your side.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            But you're the one that pretends the arab spring is a good thing. Ask the people trying to buy food and gas in Cairo.

            You're twisted, even for a paid hack troll.

          • Indioviejo

            Why don't you ask Robert Spencer to teach you a few truths about Islam? There is confort in truth.

          • patriothere

            Yeah right. And then I'll ask benjamin netanyahu and avigdor liberman?

            LOL!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Do they pay you for those questions too?

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • Western Candian

            If you did, you would actually have the chance to learn something. But being muslim, you cannot learn. You have been programmed like a very low grade and obsolete computer: No ability to think, no ability to alter program, no ability to do anything of value.

          • patriothere

            I would rather read what islam is from non-biased, impartial sources. Not zionist stooges like robert spencer

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And there is no such thing. Either you submit to the forced style of life sharia or you are a walking target for not submitting.

          • patriothere

            Sharia is no different from the torah. If you don't believe me, look it up yourself.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course it is.

            Forced child brides like mohammed took were unique to islam.

            It was nice of him to allow her to play with her dolly.

          • patriothere

            Muhammad was the messenger of god and the quran is the revelation of god.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Only for those forced to follow sharia, an 8th century system of barbarity. Thankfully the true Almighty is totally different.

          • patriothere

            Sharia is god given law.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, it's forced barbarism.

            Ask the rape victim murdered in Somalia.

          • patriothere

            It's not different than the Torah.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It is totally different, that's why Jews don't use suicide vests.

          • patriothere

            So it's ok to use nukes and abrams tanks?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            To survive against suicide bombs?

            It's just that not everyone believes in forced barbarism like sharia.

          • patriothere

            You have it backwards. They use suicide bombs to fight occupation. If they weren't occupied or oppressed they wouldn't use suicide bombs?

            What's worse nukes or suicide bombs?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Both, and to think the side that thinks this will have both? Well, that's not good.

            42 minutes ago @ http://912wolverines.com/ – growl · 0 replies · 0 points
            We want to see israel destroyed. Israel is coming apart at the seams! They can't even manage gaza. You know gaza? That open air concentration prison camp? Well israel can't beat hezbollah, can't manage gaza and they want to get into a war with Iran? HA! What a joke. I hope israel does try something stupid like that because that will be the end of israel.

          • patriothere

            Why do you keep bringing that up. To show that you are on the wrong side of history?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, to show you are.

          • patriothere

            History will be the judge and you will be a nobody. You're a nobody now, you will be a nobody forever.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            History? We don't have to wait for that. We know evil, you just like it being on your side.

            How many bomb attacks this week thanks to islamic activists?

          • Drakken

            Can anyone dial a drone for this POS muzzy!??

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Can you imagine trying to scrape the poo off of it after it splattered?

          • Western Candian

            ***jihad is the way Muslims believe peace and harmony will flourish. Just like christians beleive through christ peace and harmony will flourish. ***

            To compare jihad, the most vicious crime ever committed against the human race, to Christ says a great deal about your ignorance and viciousness. The muslim mockery of 'peace' is not peace as the non-muslim civilized world defines peace. Instead it is the same mockery of "peace" as used by commu-facists. Both commu-facists and islamo-facists regard "peace" as the social order that will exist when they have the rest of humanity by the throat.

            Attaining "peace" through bloody slaughter…. Islam has been trying that for 1400 + years, and 270 million murders. Hey, it doesn't work!!

          • patriothere

            Wherever there is injustice, corruption, oppression, etc. Muslims believe that through jihad which does not mean holy war, all of this will end.

            It's like when Nixon declared a war on cancer. Nobody was using violence but they were using all tools to defeat cancer.

            jihad is the same thing. using everything at their disposal to end poverty, famine, oppression etc.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course it does, and surah 9 gives muslim activists no choice in the matter.

          • patriothere

            Jihad comes from the jahada which means "he put forth effort". The overall meaning behind jihad is to bring about a just world. Where there is no war and oppression and injustice.

            That is the whole point of islam. Islam, Salam, Shalom, Peace.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            More propaganda? It's still nothing but repeated lies.

          • patriothere

            If you want to stifle conversation go somewhere else. just because it prove s your propaganda wrong does not mean it's lies.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Oh, you don't want anyone getting in the way when you do that?

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            poor little achmed.

            Am I making your paid hack trolling more difficult?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The hack paid troll pretends he's here for debate.

            We all know better.

            Poor little paid hack drone…

          • patriothere

            Let's talk about Islam openly and honestly. You want none of that

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I have been, it's brutal, it's barbaric and it's stuck in the 8th century mindset of violence that spawned it.

          • patriothere

            No you haven't. You're not being honest or fair.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I am, and you know it's true.
            Ask the stoned rape victim.
            http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7708169.stm

          • patriothere

            No you're not. I know all the Muslims from personal experience that believe in god and treat others the way they would want to be treated.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Like this?

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Says the guy who posted this? Even if you ignore your being a paid troll to drive everyone away, you admitted the agenda here against me.

            1 hour ago @ Left, Right & Cent… – Debates Old and New, N… · 1 reply · 0 points
            It's working pretty good. I said that's what I would do. Soon , you wont have a voice to spew your filth. breitbart is dead, you don't post at front page or antiwar anymore so i would say it's going good.

          • patriothere

            I said that?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Wow, you don't even know what you say. Or the troll who was posting on your profile.

          • patriothere

            You lie so much it's hard to tell when you're lying and when you're telling the truth.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you're paid to say that even though it's wrong.

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • Western Candian

            Again, you are stupid enough to post your dishonest garbage here. THe vicious crimes commited against Hindu's serve as a perfect example of the criminality of islam. A nation that had no significant contact with islam, invaded out of greed and viciousness. The only poverty and famine that muslims have ever tried to end, has been that inflicted on themselve by their vile and criminal mockery of religion. And the only way that islam has ever accomplished this goal, is by stealing from non-muslims, murdering them, and forcing them into slavery. Again, quit lying on this board, and have the guts to admit that islam has murdered 270 million innocent non-muslims.

          • patriothere

            You don't understand Islam. Islam follows a basic principle. Fight them where they fight you, but when they stop, you stop, because god hates transgressors.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            He does, and he's not the one lying.

          • patriothere

            Quit trying to stifle meaningful discussion.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Like you?

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • patriothere

            Quit trying stifle meaningful discussion

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Quit pretending you came here to bring any.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You are, why shouldn't I point that out?

            Do you still say goat marriages are universally accepted?

          • patriothere

            I'm not

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Do I have to quote you? You go ahead and either stand behind your comment or I will.

          • patriothere

            You're wrong troll.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, I wasn't.

            3 hours ago @ KTLA-TV – Local Reaction to Obam… · 12 replies · 0 points
            "jews do suicide bombs.

            stoning is a jewish thing.

            marrying goats is universal.

            child brides is all three judaic religions…."

          • patriothere

            Yes, you are.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You said what I claimed you said.
            I was correct. And why would you spend so much effort to derail the thread? You explained that too.

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Oh, you're the only one here allowed to do that? And what are you going to do?
            22 minutes ago @ Antiwar.com Original A… – Israel Walls Itself In · 1 reply · +1 points
            I am not a paid troll. You can say it a million times but it still won't be true. I think WTE should do that and embarass you in your own community. Nowadays Roger, people can monitor your every move. No your name, your kids names, where you live, where you work, your credit history, your criminal record. WTE can easily link your profile to your preacher and expose you.

          • Western Candian

            *********You must be looking at a different text because I have been flipping through pages of the koran and can't find anything to prove what you are saying.******

            Don't come here and be stupid enough to lie about what is in the bloody koran, the people on this board know better. I have had 3 copies of that vile and disgusting book, and interestingly enough, one of them actually rotted. Given what that sickening hate manual contains, that is really no surprise that it would rot. The real surprise is that not all of them have. YET. The koran and the other sources that muslims 'learn' from, all reek of the call to commit murder, rape, destroy….. A shameful set of unholy books.

          • patriothere

            Then you know that islam does not mean submission and it is the root word of shalom, hebrew for peace.

            Only a tiny part of jihad says to kill. Very tiny. The Quran is very clear on the fact that you cannot attack those that you have a treaty with, you cannot kill women and children and innocents. That is clear. Quran means revelation.The Quran says fight them where they fight you, but when they stop, you stop, god hates transgressors.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course we know it means submission.

            This isn't a mosque in Tehran where you can just say anything.

            Here we actually laugh and ignore people who lie so blatantly.

          • patriothere

            It does not. Islam means through allegiance to god safety and peace. And remember the root word of Islam is salam, which means peace.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It does not. It means submission, total complete submission to allah.

          • patriothere

            No it does not. That is a half-ass explanation. It means through allegiance to god peace and safety can flourish.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes it does. And you just are using al taqiyya because the barbarity of sharia demands it.

          • patriothere

            No it does not. It means only through allegiance to god can safety and peace flourish. Jihad does not mean holy war either. It means he put forth effort.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            How many suicide bombs does it take to have peace and people to flourish exactly?

          • patriothere

            Islam permits defensive wars. Fight them where they fight you but when they stop you stop.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The Byzantine empire might disagree with you on that.

          • patriothere

            Islam allows defensive wars. Those that are hostile to Islam are hostile to peace and hostile to god.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And in Nigeria it's on the offense. In Egypt and Sudan and every other place it's offensive in nature just like when it destroyed the Byzantine Empire.

          • patriothere

            Islam does not allow offensive wars. god hates transgressors remember? Only countries that are hostile to islam. According to Islam if you are hostile to Islam then they can defend themselves. If you have a treaty or truce with Islam you are not attacked.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course it does, it demands it. surah 9.

            9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

          • patriothere

            No it doesn't. It forbids killing innocents.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Wow, so the rape victim stones in Somalia wasn't innocent? You do know what rape is, don't you?

          • patriothere

            It's not done in islam. They weren't Muslims. Islam forbids offensive wars and the killing of women and children.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course they do. 14 year olds begging for mercy.
            http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7708169.stm

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I just gave an example where it was.

          • patriothere

            It's gods right to ive life and take it away Like those egyptian boys. LOL! You can't show they didn't deserve it! LOL !HAHAHAHAHAHA

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you didn't show it.

            Did they pay you extra to laugh?

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • patriothere

            Islam has an answer to all political and economic problems.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, a return to the violent 8th century.

          • patriothere

            Well by that logic judaism goes back to the violent BC era.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I'm not Jewish, so I don't defend it much.

            But they don't use suicide vests so it's still not in the same league as sharia.

          • patriothere

            Yes you are. Any so called christian is a crypto-jew which means hidden jew. Salvation is through the jews remember? jesus said that. So how is that any different from being a jew.

            christians are scum bags.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You really are a paid hack just here to insult and drive away reasonable people, aren't you. You weren't joking at all when you explained it.

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • patriothere

            Yes you are. Any so called christian is a crypto-jew which means hidden jew. Salvation is through the jews remember? jesus said that. So how is that any different from being a jew.

            christians are scum bags.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            More cut and paste? That didn't make sense on the other sites either.

          • patriothere

            You got a problem with english? What's your first language?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You have a problem getting new talking points approved by your handlers?

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • Western Canadian

            Again, I suggest you not go out of your way to be stupid about islam on this site. No one here is stupid enough to think that islam has ever meant peace. Islam has always been a vicious, facsist mockery of a religion, and has murdered more people than ALL other acts of internaional violence put together. You are probably not even stupid enough to believe the garbage you post here., You ar more likely just dishonest, though stupid probabily does play a role in your limited ability to think.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            He's just a troll, patriothere once lost his temper and admitted why he's here.

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • patriothere

            Quit trying to stifle meaningful discussion. I'm reading a book about the various religions right now. And The part about Islam is very clear.

            There are rules in Islam that say you can fight a defensive war.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            This from the hack who admitted being paid simply to drive people away.

          • patriothere

            Quit trying to stifle meaningful discussion

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Like you are? You admitted your agenda, so don't bother denying it.

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • patriothere

            I'm discussing the issues where you are using troll tactics.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You're trying to spread lies and I distract from that and openly mock you for it.

            Try the truth. islam is forced sharia with a death penalty for apostates.

          • patriothere

            Just because they don't agree with your troll talking points does not make them lies.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            They're lies simply because they're made up comments with no connection in reality.

          • patriothere

            They are not lies. They are the truth.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            They are many things, but truth isn't one of them.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, they're lies based on their own merits. But isn't it a strange coincidence that your lies always run in opposition to the truths I use to smack them around?

          • patriothere

            They challenge your garbage. Facts are stubborn things.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, and you're wrong.

          • patriothere

            christians are scum bags. Just like you.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            This is scum.

            42 minutes ago @ http://912wolverines.com/ – growl · 0 replies · 0 points
            We want to see israel destroyed. Israel is coming apart at the seams! They can't even manage gaza. You know gaza? That open air concentration prison camp? Well israel can't beat hezbollah, can't manage gaza and they want to get into a war with Iran? HA! What a joke. I hope israel does try something stupid like that because that will be the end of israel.

          • patriothere

            Maybe to you, but you would be the minority.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Being right has nothing to do with holding the most rocks.

          • patriothere

            It has to do with proof.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And the proof is in your comment.

            42 minutes ago @ http://912wolverines.com/ – growl · 0 replies · 0 points
            We want to see israel destroyed. Israel is coming apart at the seams! They can't even manage gaza. You know gaza? That open air concentration prison camp? Well israel can't beat hezbollah, can't manage gaza and they want to get into a war with Iran? HA! What a joke. I hope israel does try something stupid like that because that will be the end of israel.

          • patriothere

            Roger 169p · 23 hours ago
            The Almighty gives life and it's His place to take it away. You can't show those Egyptians were perfect and didn't deserve it.

            Th account shows God gave them several times to do the right thing.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So, are you going to show the quote is wrong?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So, are you going to try showing the quote is wrong?

            I didn't think so. Poor little hack paid troll.
            It must be hard being the most stupid person in any mosque.

          • patriothere

            It's wrong for people who care about children. You defend the murder of children. You're a monster.

            Roger 169p · 23 hours ago
            The Almighty gives life and it's His place to take it away. You can't show those Egyptians were perfect and didn't deserve it.

            Th account shows God gave them several times to do the right thing.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I do? I defend God doing His job and not putting it on us like in sharia where there are honor killings and car bombs.

            In this case, the Almighty took care of things Himself.

          • patriothere

            Roger 169p · 23 hours ago
            The Almighty gives life and it's His place to take it away. You can't show those Egyptians were perfect and didn't deserve it.

            Th account shows God gave them several times to do the right thi

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Agreeing?

          • patriothere

            Never. I don't believe in killing children. You've made it abundantly clear that you believe in it.

            Any god or religion that kills kids or allows kids to die is no god but the devil.

            Roger 169p · 23 hours ago
            The Almighty gives life and it's His place to take it away. You can't show those Egyptians were perfect and didn't deserve it.

            Th account shows God gave them several times to do the right thing

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I've made it abundantly clear that God makes that call, not us. No suicide bombs outside of sharia, have you noticed?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Are you agreeing now?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It's you again. Anything new to add? Anything at all? I didn't think so.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Did the sheer brilliance of that just knock you socks off?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still wowed by the content. Good posts do that. You wouldn't know, you don't get handlers that do that for you.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Poor little hack paid troll. You just can't past the fact I don't have to get lame handlers like you do? Can't show it's wrong, can you?

          • patriothere

            You don't think killing children is wrong? I do!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I think it is wrong, it's God's job, not ours.

            That's why sharia is so barbaric.

          • patriothere

            It's your gods job to kill children?

            LOL!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It's not your job, that's for sure.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You just can't figure out how to turn off the cut and paste feature, is that it?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Are you expecting me to compete with my own brilliance? Is that why you put the cut and paste on autopilot here?

            Or did the handlers just go get drunk and you don't have anything else to post?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            My my, it just blew your mind, did it almost fill a kleenex?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            More cut and paste. I didn't know the new iranian computers could handle that very well.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          terroristhere,

          The illegal bandit "religion" of Islam destroys and kills all over the World.

          Philippines, Nigeria, Thailand, Eurabia.

        • Gee

          And most people are wrong. The rampant injustice, occupation, corruption etc. you write of is the doing of the ARABS – They are the largest occupation in the world. ARABIA is a small area – but they have manged to steal and exterminate the natives from Morocco to the Philippines. And in EVERY single case it is the Muslims that are the aggressors, occupation, corrupt, thieving, lying murderers.

          • patriothere

            Not according to Islam. Islam is very clear what god wants. You have a right to defend yourself in Islam. Christians, have to turn the other cheek.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, demanded by islam.

            You do al taqiyya very badly.

          • patriothere

            Islam permits Muslims to defend themselves. But killing women and children and innocents is forbidden.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I'm sure that would have been comforting to the Byzantine Empire, and to the Copts under persecution now from sharia.

            So, how do you explain away this story?
            http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7708169.stm

          • patriothere

            Sharia is like the torah. The uncorrupted word of god. The sharia is what god wants. Not what Muslims want.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course not. Ask Aisha. I wonder if mohammed would volunteer her to carry a suicide bomb in this current day and age?

          • patriothere

            God wants these things. The Muslims are just messengers of god.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Suicide bombs are messengers of god, gotcha.

            Can you go back to the camel now?

          • patriothere

            Troll tactic.

            Muslims are messengers of god. They follow what god wants. Defensive wars are permitted by god and islam.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            They are barbaric thugs.

          • patriothere

            They are not barbaric thugs. Do you think god is a barbaric thug?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            They are barbaric thugs. Ask Daniel Pearl.

          • patriothere

            They are messengers of god.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, they are the messengers with the same barbarism as mohammed and his 6 year old bride.

          • patriothere

            And god who told abraham to kill his son and kill all first born egyptian boys? And abraham who pimped out his sister who was also his wife?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Who stopped Abraham and explained it was a test? Not the same religion that has them stone rape victims.

          • patriothere

            He order the deaths of egyptian boys.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The Almighty gives life and it's His place to take it away. You can't show those Egyptians were perfect and didn't deserve it.Th account shows God gave them several times to do the right thing.

          • patriothere

            LOL! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Do they pay you extra to laugh?

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • patriothere

            It's just god has a right to kill egyptian boys when they deserve it.

            That's all! HAHAHAQHAHAHA!!!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you pretend to have the right to kill Jewish boys, that's all.

            Only it's not something to laugh about.

          • patriothere

            After all I can't show those little egyptian boys were perfect and didn't deserve it. LOL!

            Roger 169p · 23 hours ago
            The Almighty gives life and it's His place to take it away. You can't show those Egyptians were perfect and didn't deserve it.

            Th account shows God gave them several times to do the right thing.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still amazed at the cut and paste button on your new computer?

          • patriothere

            Those that are hostile to god and islam are allowed to be fought.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            That Surah 9 doesn't give them much room for peaceful living, does it?

          • patriothere

            Islam is abundantly clear that women and children cannot be harmed. That is absolutely forbidden. There are rules to combat in Islam.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            But they do it all the time honor killings are quite common.

          • patriothere

            They are not quite common troll.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            How many examples would you like? And it doesn't matter if they're 'common' if they happen at all it shows the barbarism of sharia.
            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/15/arizona-

          • patriothere

            They are not Muslims if they kill women and children. They're probably crypto-jews. We know jews command death of children. God killed egyptian first born boys.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            But i've given examples where they have.

            So, either you're wrong or lying.

          • patriothere

            No you haven't

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes I did, in that BBC story.You haven't shown it wasn't due to sharia either.

          • patriothere

            LOL! No you haven't. God has the right to give and take away right? Like those egyptian boys?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course I did. I linked to one of many stories on the stoning of a rape victim begging for mercy.

          • patriothere

            God has the right to do that. He gives life he can take it away. Those little egyptian boys deserved it anyway.

            HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still laughing, or are you stalling, hoping your handlers will approve a new more intelligent comment?
            I would give up the wait, your handlers don't know how.

          • patriothere

            god is a scum bag, just like you!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Was that supposed to make any sense?

          • patriothere

            What do you have a problem with english?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Not decent English. Too bad you weren't using it.

          • patriothere

            What exactly did you have a problem with?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            What exactly were you trying to say?

    • Indioviejo

      As wrong as it is, you are still entitled to your opinion in this country. When Muslims rule you won't. I don't think that you believe the pack of lies you spew here. Even Muslims know that they spout the Satanic code imposed by Mohamed's terrorism, yet you expect the decent folk here to believe you?

      • patriothere

        Throughout history jews have always been better received in muslim countries than christian countries. After all Muslims and jews are brothers. They are both the grandchildren of Abraham.

        • Western Candian

          The only time any non-muslim is treated like anything other than garbage in a muslim country, has been when the muslims have NOT been devout muslims. And muslim countries have rarely if never treated jews well, the jews being the prime object of hatred in your vicious and unholy books. Lying on this board is a waste of time. Being stupid, you just can't help.

          Islam, vile and degrading thing that it is, is not an abrahamic religion, it is a crime against humanity.

          • patriothere

            Now you're just making things up. The jews and Muslims are brothers. They are both the grandchildren of Abraham.

            jews were treated better in Muslim countries than christian ones. They are brothers after all. The jews in Iran are not persecuted. You can't lump jews, israel and zionists together. Those are all separated things.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            They are both descended from Abraham. But how many Jews are living in Saudi Arabia?

          • patriothere

            Strawman. The house of saud are not Muslims. The wahabbi sect of islam is not even considered islam by most Muslims.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So, you won't talk about how many Jews are in Saudi Arabia? Why not?

            Are you going to car bomb someone to get them?

          • patriothere

            islam permits jews to live under the sharia which is the laws of god in peace and security.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Tell that to the dead Jews of Saudi Arabia.

            You just don't match up with reality achmed.

          • patriothere

            Saudi arabia is not a god given state. wahabbian rulers in saudi arabia are not following islam. If they followed islam all of humanity would be in peace and security.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yet the Hadj is in Mecca.

            Are you just sore because they're taking Syria away from you?

          • patriothere

            Saudi arabia is not an islamic state. They are posers.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Is that because they're funding the rebels in Syria? How does it feel to be such losers?

          • patriothere

            No it's because they don't follow the word of god.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            But they do.

            You just can't figure out how to be barbaric enough to slaughter them all.

          • patriothere

            Not the government of saudi arabia. But ordinary muslims that work for a living and provide for their families and love god and love their neighbors and love their families, THOSE people are real followers of Islam.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It wasn't Saudi Arabia that armed Hezbullah with missiles, was it?

          • patriothere

            Hezbollah has a right to defend its land

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, I did, in that story from the BBC. The one you haven't been able to show wasn't true.

          • patriothere

            Well at least you agree with me. I didn't know you were Hezbollah though. How is Hassan Nasrallah?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still the paid hack troll.
            Still making no sense.
            Still embracing evil.

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • patriothere

            God had a right to kill those egyptian boys. They weren't perfect. Sure they were just little children but they deserved it right?

            LOL! HAHAHAHAHA!!!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            What's wrong, can't remember how to cut and paste the entire comment any more?

            You never were the brightest in any group.

          • patriothere

            Roger 169p · 23 hours ago
            The Almighty gives life and it's His place to take it away. You can't show those Egyptians were perfect and didn't deserve it.

            Th account shows God gave them several times to do the right thing.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, and He didn' t pass out any car bombs.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            See, God did it, we didn' thave to have jihad or market place attacks.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, God did that. And you are amazed no cleric rallied them to go burn and kill, the Jews didn't even get sent out to rape the Egyptian women.

            Totally different than islam, isn't it?

          • patriothere

            Roger 169p · 23 hours ago
            The Almighty gives life and it's His place to take it away. You can't show those Egyptians were perfect and didn't deserve it.

            Th account shows God gave them several times to do the right thing

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So are you now going to agree?

          • patriothere

            I will never agree wtih the murder of children. NEVER!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I denounce it, you pretend sharia excuses it.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Agreeing now?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Starting to see the wisdom in that?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Can't find a way to make it wrong, can you?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you know I'm correct.

          • patriothere

            You are wrong. I am against killing children.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I'm not wrong. And my God never commands suicide bombs.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Another example where you can't think your way out of a wet paper bag.

          • patriothere

            At least I was raised well enough to know that the murder of children is wrong.

            Unlike you who said this

            Roger 169p · 23 hours ago
            The Almighty gives life and it's His place to take it away. You can't show those Egyptians were perfect and didn't deserve it.

            Th account shows God gave them several times to do the right thing

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, so do I. That's why I oppose sharia and honor killings, child brides and the like.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yeppers. It was true when I said it then, and it's still true.

          • patriothere

            It's not true for me.

            I think children are the ultimate innocent victim. The facts that you believe murdering children is ok, says alot about the filthy person you are.

            Roger 169p · 23 hours ago
            The Almighty gives life and it's His place to take it away. You can't show those Egyptians were perfect and didn't deserve it.

            Th account shows God gave them several times to do the right thing

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Then you should denounce sharia and the child brides.And I believe God knows enough His making that call is the only way. No marketplace bombs, no car bombs, nothing like that in Christianity.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Amen!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            That troll machine must be stuck on cut and paste.

          • patriothere

            I just want everyone to know that I do not agree with rogers views of allowing the murder of innocent children.

            I am against the killing of any children.

            Roger 169p · 23 hours ago
            The Almighty gives life and it's His place to take it away. You can't show those Egyptians were perfect and didn't deserve it.

            Th account shows God gave them several times to do the right thing

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I just want to remind people you're making that up. My God takes care of those calls, I don't have to use a suicide bomb to keep the Almighty happy.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course. It seems so simple to anyone not working for a handler.

          • patriothere

            I don't believe in that.

            Roger 169p · 23 hours ago
            The Almighty gives life and it's His place to take it away. You can't show those Egyptians were perfect and didn't deserve it.

            Th account shows God gave them several times to do the right thing

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course you do, that's why you keep repeating it.And to think God takes care of things, we don't have to.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So true, nice of you to remind everyone like this.

          • patriothere

            I remind people that you defend the murder of children.

            Roger 169p · 23 hours ago
            The Almighty gives life and it's His place to take it away. You can't show those Egyptians were perfect and didn't deserve it.

            Th account shows God gave them several times to do the right thing

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And I remind them you're wrong, and that it's God's call.The Almighty never told anyone to use a suicide bomb.

          • patriothere

            I think your words speak for themselves.

            Roger 169p · 23 hours ago
            The Almighty gives life and it's His place to take it away. You can't show those Egyptians were perfect and didn't deserve it.

            Th account shows God gave them several times to do the right thing

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, and the things they say still don't agree with what you pretend they say.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, it certainly has symmetry.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, you do agree then.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It's nice to see you endorsing one of my comments finally.Are the handlers looking the other way?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still endorsing that comment? If the handlers realize, will they cut your pay?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still upset I said something to offend your muslim indoctrination?

          • patriothere

            I'm upset there are people in this world who think it's ok to kill innocent children.

            Roger 169p · 23 hours ago
            The Almighty gives life and it's His place to take it away. You can't show those Egyptians were perfect and didn't deserve it.

            The account shows God gave them several times to do the right thing

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, and so am I. That's why I oppose sharia.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            and I still back that comment.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why do you like it enough to keep using it? Do you just want to illustrate the difference between the Almighty and the fake allah that has to get jihadists to do his bidding?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Cut and paste all great quotes?Or just mine?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            A really great quote.

          • patriothere

            Nowhere in Islam or Sharia does it say it's ok to kill children. No where. You can't find anything that says it's ok to kill children in Islam and the Sharia.

            Yet jesus' dad and his followers believe killing children.

            Roger 169p · 23 hours ago
            The Almighty gives life and it's His place to take it away. You can't show those Egyptians were perfect and didn't deserve it.

            The account shows God gave them several times to do the right thing

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You sure do want to ignore surah 9.

            islamic law doesn't give you any choice, it's a matter of timing more than if you want to invoke violence.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still a great comment.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Cut and paste much?At least you chose a great quote this time.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Did the cut and paste button stick?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            More cut and paste from the troll who needs better handlers.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The cut and paste reject.

          • patriothere

            I didn't forget your last photo of you taking a picture of yourself from your troll hole. then you realized you got caught so you took a close up picture. You've been outed and busted so many times. How do you even have the nerve to show up here?

            Your last picture you took it was your posting from your office at your work terminal. You get paid to do this.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            That wasn't a troll hole, you mom lived no place near it.

            And it wasn't taken where I work either.
            Listen, you may be an admitted paid hack. I understand you may be working and saving money for a sexier goat bride. But western liberty lovers may post due to values and freedoms they cherish.

          • patriothere

            Yes it was taken where you work. You're a liar. That's why you changed your photo because you realized you made a mistake.

            Roger 169p · 23 hours ago
            The Almighty gives life and it's His place to take it away. You can't show those Egyptians were perfect and didn't deserve it.

            The account shows God gave them several times to do the right thing

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And it's true. You may not like it, but you haven't shown it to be wrong.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still an angry rented mouth?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And it's still just as true as the moment I said it the first time.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Cut and paste must be very taxing for you, it's all you can manage.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Is the cut and paste button melted on your iranian computer?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Do many iranians suffer from turrets?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And it's still true, even if you're the one cutting and pasting it.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, and again you notice God doesn't demand any suicide bombs.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Boy, that's a great quote.

          • patriothere

            Rest assured, when you die, the lake of fire awaits you.

            Roger 169p · 23 hours ago
            The Almighty gives life and it's His place to take it away. You can't show those Egyptians were perfect and didn't deserve it.

            The account shows God gave them several times to do the right thing

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why? I'm not the one strapping on suicide bvests.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still another chance for you to use that great quote!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Does the cut and paste button jam on your cheap iranian computers?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It's still a great comment, even after all the abuse you've put it through.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It still catches you by surprise, doesn't it?

          • patriothere

            Not really. You saying you defend the murder of children does not surprise me in the slightest.

            Roger 169p · 23 hours ago
            The Almighty gives life and it's His place to take it away. You can't show those Egyptians were perfect and didn't deserve it.

            Th account shows God gave them several times to do the right thing

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Not really, it says God makes that call. He didn't demand a single suicide bomb.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I couldn' thave said it better. Oh, I did.

            Cut and paste, You must really like that quote.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still a great comment, even after you've posted it hundreds of times.

            Thanks for giving me credit for those golden words.

          • patriothere

            It's your gods job to kill children.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It's certainly not your job.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Amen!

            Nice to see you figuring out that God doesn't want car bombs or suicide vests, or even stonings. He's able to deal with that sort of thing Himself.

          • patriothere

            Yeah god just wants children dead.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Nope, He never had a single jihadists use a suicide bomb on them.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yeppers!

            And do you want another different comment on that again?

            Or were you just stuck on the copy and paste key?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You are still amazed that there is a real Almighty that is capable of dispensing justice, is that it?

            allah can't, that's why you guys have so many car bombs trying to do it yourself.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, I had it right. And you are still amazed by the simplicity of it all.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you still agree and keep repeating it.

            Can muslims do that without facing an honor killing?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, even from a paid hack troll it has the ring of truth to it.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So, what exactly are you trying to say?

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Makes you nervous to think of a real powerful Almighty doesn't it?

          • patriothere

            It makes me nervous that there are people like you out there that actually believe crap like that.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And it makes me determined knowing people like you are out there believing in sharia.

          • patriothere

            I don't believe in sharia. I'm an atheist.

            You however believe in the murder of children.

            Roger 169p · 23 hours ago
            The Almighty gives life and it's His place to take it away. You can't show those Egyptians were perfect and didn't deserve it.

            Th account shows God gave them several times to do the right thing

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why deny it? Are you so ashamed of your religion?And I don't make that call, with Christianity God does.

          • patriothere

            You believe in this.

            Roger 169p · 23 hours ago
            The Almighty gives life and it's His place to take it away. You can't show those Egyptians were perfect and didn't deserve it.

            Th account shows God gave them several times to do the right thing

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course I do. Christ never demanded car bombs in market places. He's powerful enough to do His own decisions that way.

          • patriothere

            christs ancestors were monsters.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            and mohammed was a molester.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why patriot, you're going to convince me that you're just a new troll given one comment to post to everything. Do you even read english or did they write out the instructions in farsi for you?

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          Than how many Jews live in Saudi Arabia?

          The answer is Zero. Why? They were driven out into the desert to die.

          Have the Jews done that to the Palestinians? How does it feel to be more barbaric than the Jews?

          • patriothere

            Not the jews in Iran. There are thousands. Most jews emigrated to israel. They didn't have to. After the exile the jews were all over the Mediterranean living peacefully. Mostly under Muslim rule.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            When islam considers Jews descended from pigs and apes don't pretend you treat them well. And iran wants to erase Israel.

          • patriothere

            http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-

            Iran has the second largest jewish population in the Middle east. Muslims know that they are brothers. They are both descendants of Abraham.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And how many are in Mecca?

            So jews don't do so well in sharia.

            What kind of jizya tax do they pay in Iran?

          • patriothere

            jews are given the freedom and security provided in the Sharia. That is very clear. Read a book on islam that isn't biased and filled with propaganda and hate. read some poems by Abū ʿAlī al-Ḥusayn ibn ʿAbd Allāh ibn Sīnā, or Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Balkhī. You might learn something.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            They are treated as non humans and forced to pay a jizya tax.

          • patriothere

            No they are not. They are both descendants of abraham. Read what Abū ʿAlī al-Ḥusayn ibn ʿAbd Allāh ibn Sīnā has to say.

            he speaks nothing but love for god and love for humanity.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course they are.
            And why would I read a barbaric thug that might have forced a child bride into things?

          • patriothere

            They are descendants of Abraham. So they are granted security and freedom under god given law. The Sharia.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Nope, they're treated as descendants of pigs and monkeys.

            sharia is barbarism.

          • patriothere

            No they are not. The Torah is no different.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course it is. And Jews are decent enough not to use suicide vests.

          • patriothere

            You know who the real Muslims are? The ones that love their families and love their neighbors and provide for their families and love god.

            Those are the real Muslims. Not the propaganda you spew here.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And in spite of that claim so many are doing just the opposite because of the koran, surah 9 for example.

          • patriothere

            So many? LOL! Yeah right. You only cite one BBC article from 5 years ago!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, in that story from the BBC.You haven't shown it didn't happen, or that it happened but not because of sharia.

          • patriothere

            You only cite one story. It's gods to give and take away right? Like those egyptian boys?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You pretend allah has the right to demand a rape victim is stoned. Why wouldn't the real Almighty be able to work in powerful ways to take His people to their intended homeland?

          • patriothere

            God has the right to give life and take it away. You can't show they didn't deserve it. LOL! HAHAHA!!!

            They were warned by god many times. HAHAHAHA!!!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Almost sounds like the warnings Israel has given Iran, doesn't it?

            Want to send any more Generals to Syria?

    • Drakken

      So muslim, who are we going to believe? You jihadist? Or our lying infidel eyes? Islam is a blight upon humanity and soon enough islam will be dealt with in a most expedient manner.

  • Fred

    Terrorism will not end until Islam is ended. Islam is not a religion, not even a false religion, at best a fake religion using the pretext of a religion to wage war against the whole world. A war that had lasted 1400 years. It is long past time for a real and final Crusade to wipe out Islam everywhere. How long can we tolerate the intolerant whose only goal is to wipe us out with returning fire? Imagine the world if Allah, in his infinite wisdom, called all the Muslim faithful to be with him in paradise at midnight and every Muslim vanished from the face of the earth. The rest of us kafirs would wake to a very peaceful world.

  • rob
  • WilliamJamesWard

    For those of you that want to know what prophetic insights are available for today on
    these problems read Psalm 83……………………Daniel and many of your are absolutely
    right in that there is no reason for dialogue or bartering with the dupes of the suicidal
    Islamist cult, the have no hope, no life and no future…………………………….William

  • ChristopherLee

    Daniel, though you make excellent points and use sound reasoning, your article is fundamentally flawed starting in the 2nd paragraph and going forward. The flaw is in misidentifying one of the primary parties in this conflict; that is calling the Arabs 'Palestinians'. There is no such thing as a 'palestinian' in existence today. The Arabs who's goal is to eliminate the State of Israel, use this term invented by Rome to help justify their fraudulent land claim. By pretending to be a so-called 'palestinians', they make claim to all of what was once known as 'Palestine' which was nothing more than the newly conquered nation of Israel denominated 'Palestine' (after Israel's then long extinct enemy the Philestines) to exercise Roman municipal military rule over. If there were any co-called 'palestinians' they would be the Jews living in the new fictionalized territory, but even then that is fiction as they are Jews NOT 'palestinians'.
    So to continue to recognize the Arabs phony claim to being 'palestinians' aids and abets in their psychological and terror war on Israel and the West. The first priority in this conflict is to realize and ACT on the truth and facts surrounding this conflict, without this we are in loosing battle.
    Even members of the Hamas leadership will admit the truth in an unguarded moment when they are in dire straits and hungry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZtiUdl9Cd0

  • gfmucci

    We will stop being victims of Islamic terror only when we finally understand that it is mainstream, orthodox Islam that promotes it. And until we resurrect our Judea-Christian moral compass and develop some kahoonas we will continue to accept any anti-human ideology as just as good as any other.

  • bluffcreek1967

    Islam is the religious-political bully of the world. What it can't accomplish through deceit, mass immigration and political power grabs, it does by brute force and terror.

    "Ways to resist the Muslim plague in Western nations," http://www.ambrosekane.com

  • George Zilbergeld

    What should we do?

    George

  • George Zilbergeld

    Would separation help?

    George