The Global Warming God Strikes Again

131109223233-01-typhoon-haiyan-jb-1109-horizontal-galleryAfter Hurricane Katrina devastated New Orleans, Mayor Ray Nagin said that the storm was divine punishment for “being in Iraq under false pretenses.”

Not only was a Liberal deity taking a position on WMDs and punishing George W. Bush by evicting a lot of black people from their homes, but the Democratic divinity was paradoxically also committed to progressive housing policies.

“This city will be a majority-African American city. It’s the way God wants it to be,” Nagin promised.

Bush is out of office. America is no longer in Iraq. And Democrats have been forced to search for new theological explanations for hurricanes, typhoons and volcanoes.

In response to the devastation of Typhoon Haiyan; the green prophets of the left are prophesying that their liberal deity is angry over capitalism and industrialization.

“Whenever Mother Nature wants to send an urgent message to humankind, it sends it via the Philippines. This year the messenger was Haiyan,” The Nation wrote.

“That it was climate change creating the super typhoons that were taking weird directions was a message from Nature not just to Filipinos but to the whole world,” The left-wing magazine claimed.

For those infidels questioning whether Nature (capital N) was really speaking through a struggling lefty publication begging readers for money to pay its postal bills, its expert on typhoon theology had an answer.

“Is it a coincidence, ask some people who are not exactly religious, that both Pablo and Yolanda arrived at the time of the global climate negotiations?”

It is of course the very definition of religious faith to assume that a bearded woman in the sky is sending storms to threaten global climate negotiators (while missing them by two hemispheres and 6,000 miles). A more cynical person might suspect that climate negotiations are arranged around storm season for maximum effect.

The Nation, which regularly condemns “Bible Thumping,” had switched over to “Whole-Earth-Catalog Thumping”; building a religion around a Mother Nature who communicated her wishes through hurricanes and bankrupt liberal magazines.

Pacific Islanders used to believe that volcanic eruptions were angry notes from their volcano gods. The Yaohnanen tribe in Vanuatu on contact with civilization modernized their beliefs, and after encountering a younger Prince Philip decided that he had come from the volcano and that they ought to worship him.

And so the Prince Philip Movement was born. The islanders are modest in their requests of their god. “If he can’t come perhaps he could send us something,” the Yaohnanen Chief suggested, “a Land Rover, bags of rice or a little money.”

The Philippians may seem absurd, but their religion actually took a step forward from worshiping a volcano, which did nothing constructive and just destroyed things leaving the tribesmen to wonder whether the volcano was angry at their unjustified presence in Iraq or the waste carbon emitted by their cooking fires, to worshiping the Duke of Edinburgh, who can do constructive things like send them autographed photos. And perhaps one day a Land Rover.

While the savage tribesmen were approaching the margins of civilization; Prince Philip’s son was reverting to savagery and blaming everything wrong with the world, from local weather to the Syrian Civil War, on the great volcano god of Global Warming.

After some winter storms, Prince Charles announced that, “severe weather conditions in our country are, I have no doubt, the consequences of man-kind’s arrogant disregard of the delicate balance of nature.” It was the sort of statement that would have been commonplace a century ago. The only difference was that “Nature” had replaced “God.”

The Yaohnanen tribe had moved on from worshiping a volcano god only capable of destruction; but the son of the living god they worshiped seemed eager to find a volcano god to worship. The savages were trying to become civilized, while civilized men were trying to become savages.

At the Washington Post, the Rev. Dr. Susan Brooks Thistlethwaite, a former president of the Chicago Theological Seminary and a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, gathered the tattered remains of her religion around herself and argued that Typhoon Haiyan was caused by human sin and needed to be atoned for by “confessing” that human beings cause typhoons.

But then Thistlethwaite, displaying less faith in whatever god she believed in than Ray Nagin had in his Chocolate City divinity and The Nation in its typhoon-hurling Mother Nature, added that “These ‘superstorms’ aren’t an ‘act of God’, but an act of willful disregard for God’s creation.”

That is to say, God is dead. Instead Republicans must confess to the liberal theologians who speak for the superstorms, that they were the ones who made the winds blow. And if they don’t, then the speakers-to-superstorms will also hold them responsible for the next hurricane.

What miracle is the Rev. Dr. Thistlethwaite’s faith in superstorms founded on? Like the storms themselves, it’s a bit circular. “The fact that we are having to invent new language to describe such massively destructive storms, like ‘Super Typhoon Haiyan’ or ‘Superstorm Sandy’ suggests we need to take a different look at such violent storms today and theologically assess the human responsibility for them.”

Using the Rev. Dr. Thistlethwaite’s reasoning, the fact that we have a word for Superman suggests that we need to seriously investigate whether there are superhuman beings among us who can leap tall buildings in a single bound. But worshipers of the liberal God of Global Warming who hates the War in Iraq, white people living in New Orleans and carbon have a looser relationship with facts than Pacific Islander tribes.

The term Superstorm isn’t new. And neither are superstorms. In a listing of storms from 1932 onward, the first one shows up in 1940. In 1991, Tropical Storm Thelma killed over 5,000 people in the Philippines. The President of the Philippines has estimated that the death toll from Super Typhoon Haiyan will be less than half that.

Despite the Rev. Dr. Thistlethwaite’s faith in a superstorm apocalypse derived from spending too much time watching the Weather Channel, there is no actual pattern of increased storm activity. Nor is Mother Nature targeting UN climate negotiations with typhoons. The only pattern here is the one that a liberal religion that believes in little except human evil assigns to storm patterns.

If the God of Global Warming worshiped by The Nation and the Rev. Dr. Thistlethwaite seems senselessly malicious, it is because it exists in their minds as a reflection of human evil. The left proclaimed the death of God only to find themselves in need of some entity to inflict ruthless punishment on those who did not believe in their left-handed path; which in the absence of the Gulags they were no longer able to do.

Liberalism built the God of Global Warming in its own image. Like liberals, their deity can destroy, but not create.

The God of Global Warming is the embodiment of liberalism and holds all the politically correct beliefs while carrying out brutal atrocities in the name of the left’s favorite political causes. With a moral logic as flawed as that of its worshipers, it is a deity that kills people in the Philippines for the carbon crimes of Americans and kills people in New Orleans because Bush bombed Iraq.

Global Warming is the worship of the left. It elevates its petty biases against industry and the middle class to the status of a religion. It insists on their right to act as the mediators between individuals and the economy or else the God of Global Warming will unleash her superstorms on the bourgeois infidels.

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  • BagLady

    Ha ha, so in Vanuatu Prince Philip is the reincarnation of the lithping Spanish King from whom the Spanish (not South American Spanish) learned their affected esses. They could do much worse than this sagacious old wit.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      Sure.

      They could worship Obama.

    • ebonystone

      Juan Carlos isn’t lisping; he’s speaking good Castilian Spanish. He learned it from the Spanish, not they from him.

    • ziggy zoggy

      The lisping sibilant is pronounced in Portuguese, not Castillian Spanish. Not that the Brown people you lefties love as animals for your safaris care about global warming.

  • BagLady

    It’s all in the name, isn’t it, FUKU SHIMA? Drill Baby Drill, let’s get that frackin’ filth up here where we can all share the fallout. Who needs clean air, let’s move to Beijing. They have great medical facilities. If we aren’t going to listen to Mother Nature then we’ll ignore her as we shave her clean of her protective coat of flora and fauna, suck out the last of her blood that took so many billions of years to gather (hard to replace without the flora). And then there are Her oceans…..

    You can believe it’s all rubbish if you like, but I spend enough time buffeted aloft to notice the increased severity of storms. A natural cycle it may be but we are surely adding to it with our waste products.

    Time to start cleaning up. I know, they could use some of those Green taxes they keep collecting.

    • tagalog

      How does the alleged increased severity of storms tie up with climate change?

      And assuming that there is increased severity of storms, how much of that increase is caused by human factors as opposed to the fluctuations of nature?

      • BagLady

        We don’t have to understand absolutely everything there is to know about the workings of nature before we clean up our disgusting waste producing ways.

        • Daniel Greenfield

          Is the carbon that comes out of human mouths disgusting waste?

          • glpage

            The EPA said it’s a pollutant. So, it must be. /sarc

          • ziggy zoggy

            It is in her case. She could be a speechwriter for Obama.

          • anor277

            The carbon that comes out of your mouth upon exhalation was originally biomass, i.e. plant matter. It is in fact a closed system and of no relvance to increased atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide. This is something that most of us learn in high school.

        • Headed4TheHills

          True, BL, but perhaps some understanding would help explain your position. Like why climate change scientists edit the data they have to show what they want shown. Or how it went from “new Ice Age coming” (yep, I grew up in the same era) to “global warming dooming us all” to predictions of record cold temperatures and thickening ice sheets.
          Of course, as a Christian, I am mandated by my Creator to be a good steward of the planet. Guess I’ll be out there helping you keep it clean, for whatever reasons.

        • tagalog

          I’m all for keeping the world as clean an ecosystem as possible, but I don’t feature world governmental coercion as the way to do it.

          We reduced smoking in the USA from 50% of the population to about 10% of the population almost entirely through private persuasion instead of governmental coercion. The latter is the more preferable procedure for just about anything, including environmentalism.

        • ricpic

          The word disgusting gives the game away. How about culling out all the disgusting humans from the purer samples of humanity such as thou, BagLady?

        • ziggy zoggy

          SkagLady,

          Clean up the disgusting waste you produce. Start using toilets. And be sure to kill a tree by using toilet paper. :)

          • BagLady

            I suppose you think using toilets makes the planet cleaner. You flush it all away and who cares where it ends up. Oh, and where I live, we have high powered douches. Far more effective than tissue paper. I sold my last ever car 15 years ago, and have no hot water system. How am I dong so far?

          • ziggy zoggy

            You sound like a real bag lady.

          • BagLady

            A compliment at last.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Gross. Take a shower. I know I need one after that.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Put that bag over your head and tape it tight around your neck.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Don’t use the bus, train, taxis.

            Use a bike, horse drawn carriage, walk you staggering obese sack of shit..

            Is your computer “solar powered” too?

          • tagalog

            Actually, in the USA we DO care where it ends up; that’s why we have waste treatment plants. But your grammar hints at a British cultural background, so I guess I can understand your assumption that people don’t care about where their human waste ends up. What goes into those allotments in the public parks, anyway?

    • Daniel Greenfield

      The strange thing about Warmist religion is how obsessed they are with protecting the goddess they worship who is at once powerful and fragile.

      • ziggy zoggy

        That’s because they’re as bi-polar as the planet is. Oh. I apologize. Mother Gaia.

      • Smoking Hamster

        Their god is dead. And Republicans killed him.

    • ricpic

      How do you square your alarmism with the fact that this year has seen a hurricaneless hurricane season?

    • ziggy zoggy

      SkagLady,

      You sound like you’re on your “natural cycle” right now. Take a Mydol and STFU, you lunatic. If you want to clean up the carbon dioxide that is hopelessly polluting our atmosphere, buy a jet pack and a butterfly net. It shouldn’t take you long to reverse global warming, seeing as how carbon dioxide comprises only .0001% of Mother Nature’s atmosphere.

    • Wolfthatknowsall

      Why should we “clean up” before China and india?

  • 11bravo

    Lousy article Dan, boring and repetitive.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      It’s COUNTER REVOLUTIONARY, anti-REGRESSIVE “progressive”.

  • Naresh Krishnamoorti

    What is that saying attributed to Chesterton? When a man stops believing in God, he doesn’t believe in nothing; he believes in anything and everything.

    • tagalog

      Wasn’t the Chesterton quote something like, “If you won’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything?”

  • anor277

    31,000 million tonnes of carbon dioxide released into the
    atmosphere annually, and the author of this article thinks there is no
    ecological consequence. Global surface temperatures, retreat of the polar ice caps, depletion in sea ice, increase in ocean heat content, retreat of glaciers, sea surface temperatures, are all consistent evidence of a warming earth, and yet the people who gather these data are alleged to be part of a devious liberal conspiracy. The author of the article is quite naïve.

    • davarino

      Uh huh, I’m not going to bore you with the arguements again, because real science doesnt make sense to you mother earth worshipers. At any rate, why dont your kind start with China and India….etc. before you start with America, the cleanest place on earth. Clean those places up first then we can talk, but thats not the point is it. The real object of this little game is to destroy the west, thats why there isnt a big push to get places like China to clean up. China and India is where your big affect would be occur. “Cleaning” up America would have little affect on the CO2 content, unless you shut everything down, and thats the real goal isnt it. You can’t put up enough solar panels and wind mills to replace current output

      • anor277

        The devious liberals conspire to shut down America. Is there no end to their perfidy? All this on the basis of no evidence whatsoever. And yet this is from someone who professes to accept ‘real science’. Real science does not have an ideological agenda.

        • uzi

          go to a board of believers and stop trolling the same tired old crap

        • DaBilk

          don’t forget to tithe to the profit Al Gore.

        • ziggy zoggy

          @nus277,

          The attempt by lefties to impose so called climate restrictions on America while excusing China, India and every other pollution crazy country is an irrefutable and extremely public fact.

          IDEOLOUGES FALSIFY SCIENCE TO PROMOTE THEIR AGENDAS.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          Who benefits from the carbon credits scams?

    • tagalog

      We release 31,000 million tons of cultural degradation into the society each year and we are just fine with the resultant decline in civilization, so I guess that much of a release is perfectly acceptable to Westerners.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      All those claims have already been shot down. But you don’t believe in
      science, you believe that the world is going downhill because of
      technology and you cherry pick data to support your thesis.

      • anor277

        In fact all of these claims are contemporary and consistent; some of them are unassailable. Are you sure you are in the position to dismiss them en masse? You are not much of a scientist if you don’t engage with published data, and are unwilling to accept evidence that might run counter to your personal ideology.

        As to cherry-picking data, what other indicators of a warming earth are there? Personal conviction, political persuasion? Of course not. All reliable evidence points to a warming earth, but feel free to ignore these data.

        • The March Hare

          As you yourself demand, present the evidence you claim points to this. I am sick of you liberals, progressives, communists, socialists all demanding proof from others while only mentioning some vague evidence that supports their argument. You have no proof it is, yet you demand proof it isn’t. The only proof you present is fake like the polar bear “stranded” on an ice flow when they actually live and hunt in that environment and swim many miles at a time.

        • ben t

          The last Glacial Maximum was 15-20,000 yrs ago. At that time the North American Continent had a glacier that was 10,000 ft. high, stretched from the Atlantic to the Pacific, and was as far south as just north of where Phila is now (just s. of NYC). The entire British Isles. the Channel and half of France were covered by glaciation, not to mention Scandinavia and the rest of the world at that latitude. What happened to all that ice? Did the campfires of a million or so humans globally warmed them to their present northern climes? NO!! Natural global warming kicked in—as it had done countless times in the past. The Earth is still warming, but ever so gradually and will begin to cool again. Science, real science and not political crap, says another ice age is about due anytime in the next few thousands of years. This cycle has been repeated 100′s of times in the last billion years. But I’m not making money off of “greenery”.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Up until the Industrial Age, mankind released an incalculable amount of co2 into the atmosphere by burning plants and food. Then we began burning coal and oil – with no restrictions. Now we have an incalculable amount of restrictions and safety measures. Yet still, in all that time, the co2 level in the atmosphere has fluctuated back and forth between levels only slightly.

            Furthermore, increased co2 levels do not increase atmospheric temperature. Increased atmospheric temperature produces increased co2 levels. The Chicken Littles have it backwards: Effect and Cause.

          • anor277

            Are you talking about the carbon cycle? Do you think that climate scientists are ignorant of this cycle? Burned biomass that is released as carbon dioxide is re-fixed as biomass using copious amounts of solar energy. On present measurements, carbon dioxide is present at 400 ppm concentrations; this is well over 25% of pre-industrial levels. This concentration is set to increase. The effect of these concentrations are well mapped out.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Your quoted computer simulation figures are completely false, climatologist quacks deny that the cycle is infinitesimal, plants absorb so much co2 that the tiny leftovers cant be measured, solar energy is constant, the Industrial Age is long gone, and the projected increase of co2 has failed to occur for the entire thirty years it has been prophesied.

            Try again, douchetard.

          • anor277

            If you can’t access or understand widely accessible data, then at least please mind your manners.

          • ziggy zoggy

            @nus277,

            Obamacare is widely accessible data. Can you access that?

          • A Z

            When you make significant headway China and India I will listen. Other wise sit on your thumb and twirl.

            By significant headway I mean cuts in their CO2 outputs every bit as drastic as in the U.S. and the rest of the West.

            Other wise bugger off.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Keep politics and failed socialism OUT of science.

        • ziggy zoggy

          @nus277,

          The claim that flying saucers abduct geeks like you for @nal probes is contemporary and consistent. That claim is less assailable than the global warming scam. The published data that runs according to your personal ideology produced climategate.

          “As to cherry-picking data, what other indicators of a warming Earth are there?” Well: factual and complete data compiled by honest research. All FACTS prove that the Earth has not warmed a single degree fahrenheit (only morons use celsius for scientific measurement) in thirty years. But feel free to ignore that FACT.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      All those claims have already been shot down. But you don’t believe in science, you believe that the world is going to hell because of technology and you cherry pick data to support your thesis.

    • BagLady

      Bravo anor. A voice of sanity. We must remember we are in the midst of right-wingers here who are all for ‘drill baby drill’. There’s money in them thar hills.

      • Daniel Greenfield

        There’s more money in carbon credits. Just ask Al Gore

        • ebonystone

          And in solar — just ask Solyndra.
          Or in wind — just ask the Chinese who sell us all those windmill blades.

          • anor277

            I would not have expected to hear that there was something wrong with making money or a profit on Frontpage.

          • ebonystone

            Well, the Mafia makes a profit too; Are we to approve of them?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            I would not have expected to read that Socialists approve of making money or a profit.

          • anor277

            Why would you say that I am a socialist? I have said nothing that would reveal my political inclination.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            I inferred your hypocritical socialism from your comments.

          • anor277

            Because I accept the evidence of global warming, I am not only a socialist, I am a hypocrite? Well, that is certainly a non-sequitur. The late Margaret Thatcher was one of the first Western leaders who accepted the reality of global warming. She must be another of those darned socialist hypocrites.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Global Warming?

            Isn’t it “Climate Change” now?

        • BagLady

          All you have to do (if you have the right mates) is to go to Africa. The local government, with the aid of their goons, will kick all the villagers off ‘your’ new land and you stick in a forest of fast growing trees. Your government back home buys your life giving oxygen every year at a very generous price with some of that Green tax they love so much and, once the trees are grown, you chop them down, sell them and start all over again. Money for old rope. No-one (except maybe the Chinese) is making any effort to reduce pollution. Everything is turned into a money making venture.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The UK is gong down the “loo” thanks to regressive “progressives” who back the most regressive savages – like hezbullah, fascist iran.

          • Drakken

            There will be a lot of folks lined up against the wall and at the end of rope for all the damage that has been done, that is for sure.

          • tagalog

            Yes, the Brits would know all about kicking people off of their land; if you’re a Brit, or of British extraction, and interested in your own culture, you would no doubt know much about British imperialism and racial/cultural intolerance far better than me.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Stratified british brahmin culture has long had their own “untouchables”.

      • tagalog

        Of course, there IS that pesky fact that dependence on oil from nations that aid and abet international terrorism is an issue.

        • ziggy zoggy

          Bag ladies don’t care whose trash they eat.

      • ziggy zoggy

        SkagLady,

        Believing in something that’s been predicted to happen for thirty years but hasn’t happened, isn’t exactly an indication of sanity. According to the Chicken Littles and their sooper scientific computer models from the high tech 1980s, the Earth was supposed to be heating at an exponential rate. In fact by the year 200 it was supposed to be ten to fifteen degrees hotter, ocean levels were supposed to have risen ten feet, superstorms were supposed to be raging across continents, and famine and starvation were supposed to be ravaging humanity. No amount of falsified and selective climate data can change the fact that those things didn’t happen. It is a great way to earn money, though – for all involved in the scam.

        I don’t know what a “right-winger” is but I do know that drilling for oil doesn’t produce co2 and that co2 doesn’t heat the atmosphere.

    • Smoking Hamster

      The Antarctic Ice cap is at record highs…

    • Headed4TheHills

      Let’s go back, go back, go way back when…to the high school biology class I attended (when dinos roamed the earth). Seems I remember something about carbon dioxide being good for plants, which use it to produce oxygen.

      And ya might jus’ wanna check that there ice shelf again, anor277. Seems it’s a mite bigger than your “climate change” high-priests said it was gonna be.

      • Daniel Greenfield

        But then an idiot peeked at Venus and announced that we were all going to turn into Venus very soon.

      • tagalog

        Yeah, but the environmentalists say that it’s really poor quality ice.

        • ziggy zoggy

          It’s good enough for my vodka but not for their Evian, I suppose.

    • Drakken

      Hmmm funny how plants eat carbon dioxide to thrive and survive and you think that is a bad thing, silly libtard, global warming is for stupid weak minded people. The rest of your arguments are pure false BS and propaganda, but hey, you go on and keep believing it.

    • ebonystone

      And how many thousands of millions of tonnes of carbon dioxide are taken OUT of the atmosphere every year by natural processes like plant growth?

      • anor277

        In fact a great deal of this 31,000 million tonnes of gas is absorbed by the ocean. It causes ocean acidification; a very serious environmental consequence. Carbon dioxide will be re-released as ocean temperatures increase, however. Given that the figure I quoted is an annual release, it is very unlikely that carbon dioxide consumption by biomass will account significantly, in that the area of arable land is much less than you might think.

        • ziggy zoggy

          The acidity of the oceans hasn’t fluctuated upwards since measurements were started. Far more than 99.9% of co2 is consumed by trees and expelled as oxygen. The area of land covered by flora is much greater than you think. It covers the vast majority of land, actually.

          Try again.

          • anor277

            Again, you are mistaken; pH levels have been consistently measured. As to the area of agricultural land being greater than I think, the earth’s surface has about 5,000 million hectares of agricultural land. I don’t know what you think. This area cannot absorb much more than a year’s worth of carbon dioxide, and it would have to be under tight and rigid cultivation. This would also exhaust nitrogen content in soild very rapidly.

          • ebonystone

            I’m not quite sure what you mean by “agricultural land”. Is it only land presently used for crops and pasture? Or are you including potential agricultural land, like cleared forests? At present there are huge areas not used for agriculture, but nevertheless covered with vegetation — like the northern forests of Siberia and Canada, the tropical forests, and all the coastal tidal swamps all over the world. And then there are the oceans; there’s a lot of plant life there, too.

          • tagalog

            Five thousand million hectares is 5 BILLION hectares. A hectare is what, a little over 3 acres? So we’re talking about approximately 15 billion acres? What’s that, an acre and a half for every person on earth? And in the U.S. we don’t use a lot of our agricultural land. I bet that’s true in much of the West, if not the entire world.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Ph level readings of the oceans are incredibly consistent – not that they’ve been conducted for long or matter at all. The oceans spawned all terrestrial life more than a billion years ago and the ph levels in it have never prevented life from thriving there.

            Arable land and agricultural land are two different things but it doesn’t matter. A surplus of agricultural goods are produced every year.

            The .0001 percentage of co2 in the atmosphere has been consistent for thirty thousand years. Thirty thousand years is the extent of human measurement, and the fluctuations in all that time have been minuscule.

            Plants absorb nitrogen and produce oxygen at an incalculable level. No amount of anthropogenic co2 could do more than provide a light snack for the tiniest forest in the world.

            Try again.

          • anor277

            Of course pH levels are incredibly consistent; the acidity
            is buffered, and levels must remain constant to support life. Nevertheless, in the past 30 years (since when
            good representative data have been collected) average pH has dropped by an amount of 0.04-0.05 units; this is hardly a negligible quantity as pH is defined by a logarithmic scale. The drop in pH is directly attributable to increased concentrations of atmospheric carbon dioxide; this chemistry is elementary and well-known as carbon dioxide is an acidic oxide. Further rises in acidity are to be expected in that the oceans have likely not reached equilibrium with atmospheric carbon dioxide.

            As regards the rest of your spray, I am well aware of the
            distinction between arable and agricultural land; there is more ‘agricultural’ land than land under cultivation. I
            think you have over-estimated the amount of carbon dioxide that green plants can absorb (mind you you have not even given a numerical estimate – the levels are certainly not ‘incalculable’). Plant growth is also limited by soil nitrogen content as only a few plants can fix atmospheric nitrogen. Your last post if full of misconceptions, and I recommend that you review your sources and figures.

          • ziggy zoggy

            None of your figures pass the smell test. Acidity? Co2 absorbstion? You’re just pasting bull$hit.

            The Earth is doing just fine, and farmers produce more than we can eat. The Earth is not heating uncomfortably. Not that warmer Winters would be a bad thing.

            RET@RD.

          • anor277

            You are as polite as you are well-informed. C’est la vie.

          • ziggy zoggy

            You are as ignorant as you are dishonest. It’s been a pleasure kicking your lefty @ss.

            BItch.

    • ziggy zoggy

      There is no way to substantiate the claim that 31,000 million tons of carbon dioxide is released into the atmosphere annually. No way whatsoever, because it is unquantifiable and immeasurable. Not that it matters because only .0001% of the atmosphere is composed of co2. The immeasurable majority of co2 is used by plants for nourishment and converted to oxygen. Global atmospheric temperatures (the only accurate barometer of global heat) haven’t fluctuated by a single degree for thirty years. The record surface temperature was recorded ONE HUNDRED YEARS AGO in Death Valley. The polar AND Antarctic ice caps are growing larger in range and thickness every Winter. Ocean heat content has fluctuated according to currents, cloud cover and thermal layers the same as it always had.

      The atmosphere has not heated a single degree Fahrenheit for thirty years, but that one degree has got fractionally colder in the last fifteen years. That means that the trivial deviation in temperature suggests a possible cooling of the Earth. THOSE ARE IRREFUTABLE FACTS. Of course, naive and ignorant lefties like you will deny them anyway. And make no mistake: It is a left-wing conspiracy. The Chicken Littles cry that the sky is falling so they can suck up free funding in the form of grants, regulations, fines, carbon credits and other scams.

      • anor277

        You might like to believe that these are IRREFUTABLE FACTS, but you are quite mistaken. A simple google search will reveal how carbon dioxide is measured. It is eminently quantifiable and measurable. This is not rocket science.

        • The March Hare

          B.S. zz is absolutely correct, and again, you demand proof, but you present NONE whatsoever. Saying go search it is not presenting facts. You only present vague references without any facts and take a smug attitude for show.

          • anor277

            I do take a smug attitude, but then neither am I rude nor wholly scientifically ignorant. And the scientist would never demand or offer proof. The scientist deals in evidence, and no scientific theory (gravitational, quantum mechanics, evolution, special theory, etc) can ever be proven for this reason.

            There is a wealth of evidence in the published literature that supports the global warming thesis. If you want to examine this evidence, you will have to go to either the source or a popular account that has considered the evidence; if you want to ignore it, again this is your perogative.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            ” And the scientist would never demand or offer proof.”

            LOL!

            You need to educate yourself.

            Hypothesis. Experiment. Conclusion. REPEATABLE by other REAL Scientists.

          • cheechakos

            Considering the planet has been in a state of global warming since the end of the Wurms glaciation in 10,000 BC it is safe to assume there is evidence of global warming.
            To claim that humans control the evolution of the planet is arrogant and ignorant.

          • ziggy zoggy

            @nus277,

            What goes up, must come down. That is a proved scientific fact about gravity from the most brilliant mind known to humanity. I dumbed it down for you because I don’t want you to feel smug.

            You didn’t even try to dispute my facts about the global warming scam. Care to try? =D

  • http://alakhtal.wordpress.com/ Obaid Karki

    Bring it on. Typhoon Haiyan is very controversial. In
    Indonesia it will kill million Muslims in Philippines only thousands, was it
    HAARP[ed] by Al Gore to rescue the Warring Industrial Complex who prey on
    Pentagon from Brink of Bankruptcy? Haiyan is godsend to stop Defense
    Sequestration. Here’s some nutjob Mugshots showing DoD Pterosaurs perform
    recovery efforts for the people affected by the deadly typhoon. Watch carefully
    the evacuees mainly Hikikomori metrosexuals as if they’re coming outta theater
    ain’t evacuated outta declared disaster area. Where are the elders, the sick,
    the children and the women?

    • Daniel Greenfield

      Obaid meet Bag Lady. Bag Lady meet Obaid.

      You two seem like you have a lot in common.

      • BagLady

        Not sure what Obaid and I have in common at this first introduction. Am having trouble with his message. For instance, what does ‘metrosexual’ mean?

        • The March Hare

          You should have been living among normal people instead of as a bag lady and you would have discovered that term which has been around for at least a decade.

        • Daniel Greenfield

          It’s all in the name, isn’t it, FUKU SHIMA? Drill Baby Drill, let’s get that frackin’ filth up here where we can all share the fallout. Who needs clean air, let’s move to Beijing.

          Haiyan is godsend to stop Defense Sequestration. Here’s some nutjob Mugshots showing DoD Pterosaurs perform recovery efforts for the people affected by the deadly typhoon.

          …it fits together pretty well

        • Cold_Drake_80

          Metrosexual: effeminate men good FPMers try to cruise on the weekends after ordering their wives to stay at home to avoid yet another beating.

          Keep in mind FPMers are very fond of lumping people together for the ease of name calling. Since they have no intellectual standards anything that makes spewing hatred easier is good in their “minds”.

          • Drakken

            So your the resident peter puffer, good for you libtard, everyone is happy for you. Now do yourself a favor, go live in one those 3rd world nations which you love so much.

          • Cold_Drake_80

            Wait, are you trying to cruise me? This isn’t one of your rent boys sites. Yeesh, you can’t wait at all.

          • Drakken

            I am sure a swarthy arab would have fun with you, sorry, I’m not into guys.

          • Cold_Drake_80

            For a “straight” guy(?) you sure do have some elaborate homoerotic fantasies. Of course they are larded over with racism but that is to be expected from someone with a narcissistic personality and inferiority complex. Must be a tough combo to live with. Though it does explain a lot of your behaviour.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            I see you are projecting again.

          • Drakken

            Project much? Funny how someone like you, has to depend on someone like me to defend them from all the nastiness in the world since you don’t have the stones to do it yourself, yet try to vilify me for it. How bloody quaint and frankly I have no more sympathy or empathy for leftist/progressives like you who are working for their own demise. Darwin loves winners like you.

          • Cold_Drake_80

            You protect me? HA! That’s a laugh. All you are is a chest thumping little fascist. How are you protecting anyone? You’re nothing but a punk troll on the internet.

          • Drakken

            Please by all means, come to the ME where I am at the moment and do what I do, you would pizz yourself in fright, puzzy.

          • Cold_Drake_80

            All right punk it’s put up or shut up time. What country are you working in? What job do you do? How long have you been doing it?
            Spit it out or prove to us all you’re a liar.

          • Cold_Drake_80

            I’m waiting. So get on with it! Prove what you’ve post or admit you’re a liar.

          • Cold_Drake_80

            I’m still waiting coward. Weren’t you the one who bragged about being a terrorist in Central America in the ’80s?
            That would indicate you’ve continued your terrorist ways to present. If you aren’t a lying coward then that would make you 50 now. That means you aren’t fit for battle so you’ve probably transitioned over to torture or maybe organizing the death squads. Then again you’ve yet to exhibit the intelligence or even low cunning needed to do the later. With that in mind you probably specialize in pulling the finger nails off of women and children to get the men to talk. That sounds about the speed of a good FPMer.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Cum_slake_80,

            Chest thumping fascist? Fascism is leftism and you are a pu$$y.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Cum_Drink_80,

            Dude. Gay is O.K. No need to get all bItchy about it. Just smoke that pole and earn an Obamabuck.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Cum_Drink_80,

            Your insane fellow traveler Karki is the one who introduced the metrosexual reference, but it’s nice to see how you really feel about your fellow gay guys. Not all gays are effeminate or metrosexual and not all metrosexuals are gay, but I guess you’re as fond of “lumping people together” as you are of hypocrisy and projection. Not all of us have your intellectual standards, so spewing hatred against gays and married men doesn’t come as easy for us.

          • Cold_Drake_80

            Hey, cyberstalker. Been a while since you stuck your vile head into discussions you weren’t a part of.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Cum_Drink_80,

            Has it been a while since a guy stuck his head in you? You sound like you miss biting the pillow.

          • Cold_Drake_80

            I’m sure to your primitive mind sexual insults and your barely concealed homosexuality are clever but they aren’t. You have to actually read the comments people post before responding to them. Granted it does make you easy to troll but being so weak you quickly bore me. You have to start trying at least a little.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Cum_Drake_80, Go “Out” yourself in any Islamist entity.

            I’m sure they’ll treat you well.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Cum_Drink_80,

            Did I hurt your feelings, Princess?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Cum_Drake_80, Wipe your chin.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Hey, pillow biter. Been a while since you gave a gent a blumpkin?

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            Au contraire, mon ami! (Yes, metros do tend to like French …)

            By definition, metrosexuals do not think for themselves, and tend to like the Left (because it “thinks” for them). Therefore, they would not be likely to appreciate FPM, where thinking is a prerequisite to literate commentary …

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Cum_Drake_80,

            Good luck this weekend with your wish to be the tea cup for a tea bagger!

          • Cold_Drake_80

            My but you are reactionary. Defiantly a “lady doth protest too much” situation in your case.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            LOL!

            “regressive”, “reactionary”, “counter revolutionary”. LOL!!!!!

            Stew in your own fetid regressive “progressive” juices. LOL!

          • Cold_Drake_80

            Well, you’ve lost. All you can do is pick one word from my post? Still your post is also very telling. You seem quit desperate to change the subject. We are all wondering what you’re hiding.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Cum_Drink_80,

            What are you hiding, ladyboy?

          • ziggy zoggy

            Cum_Drink_80,

            Say it loud, say it proud.

        • Wolfthatknowsall

          From Salon.com:

          “The typical metrosexual is a young man with money to spend, living in or within easy reach of a metropolis — because that’s where all the best shops, clubs, gyms and hairdressers are. He might be officially gay, straight or bisexual, but this is utterly immaterial because he has
          clearly taken himself as his own love object and pleasure as his sexual preference.”

          Although the metosexual is not very political, he tends to like the Left, to which he says, “Yes, definitely! I agree!”

          If John Wayne were to materialize in front of him, he would have a heart attack and die outright.

      • Headed4TheHills

        Daniel, I’m not even sure what Obaid said. While BagLady appears to be a Liberal tree-hugging nutter (no offense, BL, I’m sure you’re just a super wonderful person), Obaid doesn’t even appear to have a sane bone (neuron?) in his / hers / its body (brain). I wouldn’t afflict / inflict him (?) on anyone.

        • Drakken

          The reason Obaid rants like a typical raghead is because of a thousand years of inbreeding and it shows. As for baglady, she should show her true liberal colors and put her money where her mouth is and go live in the 3rd world where she obviously would much better off and much more happy to be with such kindred spirits. Good riddance.

  • cacslewisfan

    Since “Climate Gate” and a lack of warming, the Greenies need something to cling to so now it’s “SUPER STORMS!!!!” When I was a kid everyone thought there would be an Ice Age. The fact is, a certain number a scientists think humans should all be eliminated. They are hoping for a global catastrophe. I say, if humans are a disease, begin the cure starting with yourself. Oh wait, they meant everyone else is a disease. How about this, go to China and India where there is terrible pollution and work on them. Oh darn, no money in that, and Brown Skin Culture can never be critiqued. Oh well, back to panhandling in Western academia.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      Can’t sell carbon credits and shoes recycled from rubber tires to China

      • truebearing

        We can sell them the recycled rubber tires and they can sell them back to us as cat food, or maybe vitamins.

        As for the “Global Warming God,” there is plenty of evidence that the Left has intentionally created a syncretic religion from the synthesis of Marxism, the environmental movement, and paganism. I expect human sacrifice to begin any day.

        So-called “Global Warming” is the original sin for this new false religion, punishable by the extermination of millions of human beings — death being the go-to, one-size-fits-all, procrustean solution for all Marxists, Muslims, and pagans.

        Global Warming is a crime that can be conveniently charged to anyone for nearly any reason. It is characteristically vague, so well suited for demonization. You drive a car? You are an environmental criminal. Off with your head.

        This religion reminds me of the one Himmler cobbled together to give the Nazis something bigger than fascism to believe in. The Left knows its foul history isn’t conducive for unquestioning worship, so it drums up an environmental existential threat, resurrects pagan gods for followers to believe in, annoints itself the High Priesthood, puts the fear of false gods into the gullible, and sits back and basks in the glow of its true deity: political power. Powered by gullibility and stupidity, relying entirely on the PT Barnum factor, it is a formulaic religion that has an alarming track record of success, at least for long enough to do great damage.

        • Daniel Greenfield

          Its simplicity is key. THE SKY IS FALLING has a great deal of appeal to idiots especially if backed bu phony science

        • cheechakos

          “What does Christianity mean today? National Socialism is a religion. All we lack is a religious genius capable of uprooting outmoded religious practices and putting new ones in their place. We lack traditions and ritual. One day soon National Socialism will be the religion of all Germans. My Party is my church, and I believe I serve the Lord best if I do his will, and liberate my oppressed people from the fetters of slavery. That is my gospel.”

          Joseph Goebbels

    • BagLady

      I’m afraid that, notwithstanding China’s newfound wealth, America remains the biggest culprit for personal overindulgence

      • Drakken

        Well in that case, why don’t you go live in a 3rd world country to assuage your guilt. Oh what’s that you say? You can’t because your liberal causes take precedence? Effing hypocrite!

        • BagLady

          I do live in a ‘third world country’ though whose yardstick is used for deciding who is first, second or third I don’t know. Will you be eating your insulting words?

          • Drakken

            Not a chance sunshine, and the insult is well bloody deserved, and stay there, were full.

          • BagLady

            That should have read: “we’re full”. Just saying.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            ScumGagLady, That should read “ScumBagLady. Just sayin’

          • ziggy zoggy

            You want it to read: “We’re fooled.” Sorry troll. Time to change your alias.

          • ziggy zoggy

            SkagLady,

            The unparalleled achievements of America are what make the world respect it as first among unequals. During the Cold War, countries allied with America were the First World, countries allied with the Soviet Union were the Second World, and countries allied with neither were the Third World. Nowadays, any backwards country is referred to as a third world country.

            There are few things more pathetic than third world Marxists. Marxism has proved to keep your countries from achieving their potential and is bringing great nations low. But people like you embrace a proved failure – and not just any failure. The societal failure (based on a crackpot economic theory over 150 years old) that produced the highest death count in human history: 200 to 300 million souls in the 20th century.

          • BagLady

            I thank you for your clarification. I had thought countries were measured by their dollar wealth but I see it is all to do with one’s alliance with the US – the centre of the universe. Now you will have to define “backward’ countries. Please.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            “backward” countries?

            Mostly socialist, Eurabian, islamist friendly.

            ScumBagLady, Please FOAD.

          • A Z

            I have been reading Bag Lady’s comments.

            I would like to down load them all. I probably could write a program for it. If my computer can display it then I can grab a hold of the output stream.

            Let’s put it this way. Bag Lady votes to the left. That is a given from her comments. But looking at her comments she thinks more than your average liberal/progressive/lefty. I daresay we probably agree with her on 20 to 30% of things. The more we get away from local stuff and the more towards discussions of policy the less we probably agree with her. She us somewhat dogmatic, but if we are going to discuss/debate things with a liberal, she is probably we of the more open minded less dogmatic liberals we could find.

            Although It seems as though for some reason she is not commenting on so many sites as before but is fixated on FPM. I guess FPM is a threat.

          • BagLady

            Sorry, but am having difficulty with FPM. Haven’t a clue what it means.

            If I tend to the left it is because the world has moved so far to the right that I feel the need to drag it back to a more balanced position. I see fascism raising its ugly head in Europe once again thanks to the banks. We have a situation of shortage of resources creating animosity towards foreigners and I believe next year will be far worse as more and more flood into Europe. The British stiff upper lip will surely pucker as they, the most generous in Europe, feel the brunt of the fallout from the turbulence around the world and watch helplessly as the infrastructure caves under the weight. Such eventualities are never factored in when planning wars, I suspect.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Um,……fascism is leftism when it holds power, Europe forces socialism on its banks, animosity toward foreigners is caused by the barbaric and repulsive behavior of foreigners, and only commies and islamopithecines plan to wage wars.

          • Drakken

            The reason you see nationalism on the rise is because the left has imported the 3rd world into their countries that they can ill afford to take care of, and the rise of Islamic aggression in our 1st world nations is making the natives restless and seething. There will be a Balkans on steroids soon enough.

          • BagLady

            You say ‘left’ but I don’t see Tony Blair as left just because he hugged women who hugged trees. He invented ‘New Labour’ and that turned out to be further right than the dreaded Maggie Thatcher with her jealousy of the throne.

            Ever see him bow to the Queen or Cherie curtsey? And before you shout, the obeisance is in respect for one’s country rather than the representation.

            ‘Capitalism’ is the way to go but the problem is the definition has been bastardised to incorporate groups that have no business there. A farmer is a capitalist, as is a manufacturer as they both increase the value of a product. Most others are hangers on who decrease the value and are a detriment to the system.

          • A Z

            Anytime people flood into another country you will have problems. The more foreign they are the worse it will be.

            A few hundred thousand Galician Jews flooded into Weimar Germany and that did nothing good for race relations. Where were the banks there?

            While you traveling thru the 3rd world why don’t you come to America for the next occupy protest.

            You totally sidestep and ignore the Muslim factor. But then I suspect you have rarely or never considered voting for a Tory in the last 20 years.

            You totally ignore the problem with Darfur. South Sudan, Burma, Sri Lanka, India, Thailand, China and so many non white places when it comes to Muslim problems.

            I think you are past pucker. You are living outside Britain it seems to avoid taxes or see your old neighborhood change.

            Talking about wars what part of Sadam Husseins’ invasion of Kuwait did you agree with? What part of shooting at allied warplanes over the no fly zone did you agree with?

            FPM = Front Page Magazine

          • tagalog

            “Dollar” wealth? Who were you accusing of thinking of the U.S. as the center (sic) of the universe?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The US is the center of your world.

            Which country made the airplane you flew on from your Turd World hellhole to visit the US and China?

          • tagalog

            What makes you think I fly at all?

            What makes you think I flew on an airplane to visit the US and China?

            Nevertheless, it’s true that the U.S. IS the center of my world, there’s no denying that, since I’ve lived here all of my life and my family has lived here for 400 years.

            Is you post intended to reply to Bag Lady?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Intended for SkagLady.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Or invented the car she rejected, the device she’s using to access the American worldwide web – which includes telephones, harnessed electricity for power, lights to see with, televisions to watch, refrigeration for food, modern stoves and microwave ovens for cooking, air conditioning for comfort, etc. Basically, all the most important achievements that have lifted humanity from primitive discomfort to casual luxury.

            America IS the center of the universe. The world should be kissing America’s superior @ss.

          • BagLady

            I don’t need a microwave. A steamer is almost as quick and the results far tastier. Air conditioning is unnecessary for comfort if you have a good fan. Granted, in your country you need a car whereas in the Third World one only needs to exit one’s home to find a ride for $1. I cannot agree that the mod-cons you list are vital for a comfortable life.

          • ziggy zoggy

            If you don’t like mod-cons, start hunting and gathering, you fraud. Unless you don’t own a refrigerator and don’t consume perishable food. And how do you think the goods you crave are transported to your area? By public transportation? Oh, wait. Americans invented vehicles so you shouldn’t be riding on any. And only a HOPELESS RET@RD thinks air conditioners are unnecessary for comfort in the tropics, the arctics or…………anywhere else on the planet!!!!!!!

            Are you so doctrinaire that you can’t accept the truth when you’re confronted with it? Are you a hopeless case? Is your hubris more important to you than revelation?

          • BagLady

            You’re arguments are just silly. One doesn’t have to lurch from far right to far left, from condo to cave. I preach moderation.
            If you can’t imagine life without aircon in the topics I suggest you stay exactly where you are.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Another non answer from the fraud of the day. You use ALL the modern American innovations I listed and you’d cry yourself to death if you ever had to sleep on the ground some night.

            Go waste some precious water trying to steam some cake, and then douche yourself with the batter.

          • tagalog

            Americans are truly exceptional. That’s why a lot of nations in the world hate us as a matter of governmental policy, while their ruled are clamoring to get here by any means available.

          • BagLady

            You could have argued this way some decades ago but do we know where anything is manufactured any more? I should imagine an airplane is made up of a Rolls Royce engine, wings from Taiwan, wheels from Italy etc etc. The shareholders can be from anywhere in the world as can the CEO. Where the profits end up is anyone’s guess though I’d happily put money on one or two well known small islands.

          • ziggy zoggy

            WTF? You couldn’t last through a morning without American technology. Or afternoon, evening or night. And since when is keeping the money you earn a crime, you commie €unthole? The Castro brothers and all the other Marxist totalitarians keep all the money their slaves have earned, and you don’t have a problem with that.

          • BagLady

            I visited China by train and I have taken a variety of planes, the origins of which I never knew, even at the time. Why?

          • ziggy zoggy

            Centre is the Commonwealth spelling of center. “er” is “re” in words like metre, theatre, etc. Many American words still use the old spelling, like “acre,” “spectre” etc. (and many can be spelled both ways like spectre/ specter, although technically speaking, “specter” is wrong.)

          • BagLady

            French words

          • ziggy zoggy

            French words? Does that mean you live in a former French colony like French Guiana? Why not tell where you live? Nobody likes a sneak.

          • tagalog

            Really? Thanks for telling me.

          • ziggy zoggy

            No problem. There are a few other spelling variations that you might enjoy checking out. Not that Commonwealth countries all practice the same spelling. Again, that’s something you’ll enjoy checking out if you’re as geeky as I am. :)

          • BagLady

            Um, all of you

          • ziggy zoggy

            Ay, ya. I already explained that the term is outdated and used differently now. And backwards countries are the ones who haven’t achieved the success of Western countries – even though they have the resources to do so. And I consider Japan a Western country because it is highly successful and ALL its citizens share in that success. Unlike China which is a feudal empire.

          • BagLady

            I presume the “success” you speak of is preceded by a $ sign and spirituality, personal happiness and, dare I say it, clean air, are outside the scope of the yardstick.

          • ziggy zoggy

            SkagLady,

            Are you really that dogmatic and stupid? I thought you were a real person but you’re starting to seem like just another paid troll. The success I write of is scientific, artistic, environmental, military, cultural and yes, economic. America is far more devout than any other Western country, and spirituality is hokum claimed by atheist doucewads who have no real faith. “Spirituality.” What is that? Inanimate objects, flora and fauna have invisible spirits inhabiting them? No, it’s just a lame attempt by Godless nihilists to claim they’re in touch with a universe they don’t comprehend think they can bargain with.

            I live in Southern California right now. Famous for its smog. Well, as usual, the sky is blue and the air is fresh and delicious. America realized that auto emissions were pollutants and cleaned them up thirty fucking years ago. Catalytic converter, sweetheart? California has unnecessary emission tests

          • ziggy zoggy

            California has UNNECESSARY emissions tests on every vehicle every year thanks to the government greed that greens instigate but there is no need because all cars are manufactured to have the cleanest emissions possible. Not that car emissions of “pollutants” are anywhere near as harmful as natural ones. A single forest fire is more pollutant than every vehicle on the planet, and don’t get me started on volcanic eruptions. (Somebody on this thread already brought up this valid point.)

            Stop being a douche.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Damn. The only thing I hate more than the FPM software is my piece of $hit Apple iPad and its crappy hardware. Fuck you Steve Jobs, and burn in HeII, you dork.

            Did I forget to mention that APPLE SUCKS?

          • Cold_Drake_80

            Note that such terms as 1st, 2nd and 3rd world have changed to more indicate economic and development status. By the old definition El Salvador would be a First World Country as would the US. Yet from the standpoint of government, civil liberties and economics they have virtually nothing in common.
            A more honest term would be to call 1st World Countries “allies” or subject states but that’s a bit to on the nose.

          • ziggy zoggy

            A more honest term for First World countries is “civilized.”

          • Cold_Drake_80

            That’s a funny coming from you. I’ve yet to meet a more uncivilized punk in my life.

          • Drakken

            One of those 3rd world folks would eat your lunch boy.

          • ziggy zoggy

            But can you whip this punk?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Civilized countries find it easier to adopt and execute industrialization projects. But focusing on “industrialized” helps with the Marxist rhetoric.

          • BagLady

            I thought that industrialization had been relegated to the Third World along with Agrarianism. The First World (the one with the brain) was going to focus on the service industry — nice and clean and loadsa dosh. Good idea but they got the balance wrong. Way too much greed going on to keep the world on an even keel.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “I thought that industrialization had been relegated to the Third World along with Agrarianism.”

            No. Focus on growth maybe, not industrialization itself.

            “The First World (the one with the brain) was going to focus on the service industry — nice and clean and loadsa dosh.”

            Many are focusing on diverse economic opportunities.

            “Good idea but they got the balance wrong. Way too much greed going on to keep the world on an even keel.”

            Greed is a word that indicates envy of the user. It’s usually used irrationally.

          • BagLady

            Just looking at the energy suppliers in the UK. Snow’s on the way and, yet again, they are hiking their prices. Let’s see how many old people they kill off this winter. Not greed you say. Not need, that’s for sure.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Not greed you say. Not need, that’s for sure.”

            I’ll make you a deal: You put me in charge of the world’s decisions about distinguishing between need and greed and then I won’t worry about what other people think of my own needs. Since I can’t possibly be greedy, I’m sure that will solve a lot of problems.

            Sound like a plan? Or should we all vote on people accused of “excessive greediness” by assembling “people’s courts” around the world?

            Great idea. Kill all of the productive people that “seem” greedy to one person or another. About 99.9999999% of the people on the planet are considered greedy by at least someone.

            But wait, I know…what we need is global communism. Those guys can decide what we need and how to produce all that stuff when we need it. They can make fantastic 5-year plans and being so incredibly intelligent it should turn out that we all gain from the extra efficiency.

            It’s win-in. What could go wrong?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Snow’s on the way and, yet again, they are hiking their prices. Let’s see how many old people they kill off this winter.”

            I hate to break it to you but this is all the result of socialism and “social justice.”

          • BagLady

            No, it’s to do with a cartel of suppliers rigging the prices and the government standing back and saying “What can we do?” Look at all the charts. It’s blatantly obvious.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Look at all the charts. It’s blatantly obvious.”

            You need to be more specific.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Of course it’s greed. It can’t be failed energy policy of socialist governments. They’re in it for “the people.”

            Just kill those stupid rich people already.

          • ziggy zoggy

            America’s farms are unparalleled in quality and quantity.

            And how the fuck is greed a First World emotion? America doesn’t $hit all over its “environment.” Only China and Third World countries do that, you stupid commie. And last time I checked, China and all the other Third World countries will do anything for a buck. Kill their children, clear cut their forests, poison their water, squat in the street, etc.

            Fuck you and your failed Marxism, you troll. Third World bag lady my @ss. You’re just another left-wing Western douchewad snacking on junk food while you play the role of a revolutionary hero on the web.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “By the old definition El Salvador would be a First World Country…”

            El Salvador? First world? What definition is that? Well they are ranked higher than “Palestine” in GDP so…there you go.

          • BagLady

            Perhaps it’s all based on how much ‘aid’ a country receives. Britain ‘insists’ that India must accept $millions even though they say they don’t want it.

            That would put it all down to how much ‘grease’ is being used.

            Poor old El Salvador Second World I’d say. They are lovely to their old folk and would never put them on the Liverpool Care Pathway (see the film: The Island). I’d knock a few points off simply because of the number of guns in the hands of punks.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Then you’ve made up your own pop-culture paradigm. I already explained to you the 2 dominant ones that actually have objective definitions.

          • BagLady

            Is there not flexibility in definition?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Apparently there is.

          • Cold_Drake_80

            Trying looking up the original definition. 1st World designated US allies, 2nd Soviet/Chinese aligned ones and 3rd were technically unaligned. Yeesh, it only took me a couple of minutes to actually find that. Quit whining and don’t be such a sloth. For that matter if you had actually read the thread instead of whining you could have figured it out.
            My post was about how stupid the definition actually was but I suppose you didn’t notice that either.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            But it wasn’t about political allies. It was about economic development, albeit through a politicized economic lens. The idea was that yes they would become industrialized according to our models but simply having an alliance with us did not make them first world. They were third world aligned with us.

            I suppose if people were using that paradigm we could count that as a third paradigm that was a distortion of the second.

            Let’s say you have a “third world” backwater that remains aloof and then decides to create trade agreements with the West. Little comes of it because they don’t fundamentally change anything. Does that change their political alignment? Of course. Does it change their economic situation? The hope is that it will.

            By your third paradigm the only “third world” nations were the nonaligned states.

            http://www.thefreedictionary.com/nonaligned

            nonaligned [ˌnɒnəˈlaɪnd]

            adj

            (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) (of states) not part of a major alliance or power bloc, esp not allied to the US, China, or formerly the Soviet Union

            nonalignment n

            Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © Harper Collins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003

            So you’ve conflated third world with nonaligned. I’m sure you’re not the first. But why have 2 terms for the exact same thing? Because one is nominally speaking about economic development models rather than political alignments even though there is a lot of overlap, it’s not the same thing.

          • Cold_Drake_80

            Several countries we would consider 3rd world were declared 1st world under the original understanding of the term. The Philippines being an example. Their infrastructure and standard of living would put lie to their 1st World designation.
            As for developed and developing those terms have some actual utility but are outside the scope of the subject at hand.
            Go back and read my comment I WAS NOT endorsing the definition. I was underscoring it’s political hack roots and lack of any utility. Drakken, amongst other bigots on FPM, was only to happy to start race baiting but that his psychosis at work.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Several countries we would consider 3rd world were declared 1st world under the original understanding of the term.”

            Today third world is just another phrase indicating the developing nations, but it’s slightly archaic. Still, people generally understand what it means. Most “developing nations” of today were indeed third world nations according to what economists usually referred to.

            It’s just that the first and second worlds have kind of become fuzzy. I guess the ultimate answer is that you have to look at the context in which it’s used and judge if it’s clear or not.

            “I was underscoring it’s political hack roots and lack of any utility.”

            There is potential to confuse people, no doubt.

          • tagalog

            The French came up with the “first world, second world, third world” perspective. You’d have to refer to them.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            AFAIK there are 2 paradigms. Old world, new world and “the rest” (unexplored or outside of the Judeo Christian homelands) and during the NATO Soviet cold war, nations were counted according to alignment with developed nations, communist nations and “other.” It’s just that the communists were not so good at development, so…many of those nations more or less slid in to the same economic conditions as many “third world” nations live with.

            By any measure, the UK is first world. America is either first world or new world. Most third world nations are ranked the same in either paradigm though there are many exceptions.

            If you want published lists from institutions that continue to track economic metrics I’m sure you can find it under “developing nations.” I don’t think they track communist nations separately from us evil capitalists any longer. I could be wrong though. I just forgot.

          • BagLady

            I never met anyone going to the Second World, did you?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Not as permanent migration, no. Technically China for example is second world according to the modern economic paradigm.

          • ziggy zoggy

            So why do you hate the a First World you feed off of? Parasite.

      • ricpic

        OMG, someone somewhere is enjoying himself!

      • ziggy zoggy

        SkagLady,

        What the HeII does overindulgence have to do with environmental protection standards, and who overindulges more than the government Mandarins in the People’s Factory of China?

        If you don’t like overindulgence give back your Obamaphone and get a job.

        • BagLady

          My local bus doesn’t stop in your Vegas. Sorry.

          • ziggy zoggy

            I’m sure your entire country is like an unregulated version of the whorehouses outside Vegas. That’s what “red-light” district refers to. A place where prostitution is practiced.

            So what third world $hithole do you live in?

          • BagLady

            I am conversant with the term ‘red-light’. I also number many ‘prostitutes’ as friends. It is true, they exist in huge numbers in less wealthy countries and for many it’s the only viable option to feed their families. It doesn’t stop them from being ‘ladies’. Is it better, do your suppose, for a woman to go to a nightclub, pull a bloke, take him back to her place and sleep with him for free, or to be realistic and ask him to pay the electricity bill? Why is one morally acceptable and the other not? One other thing that Vegas boasts, out their in that arid desert, is lots and lots of gushing water. No?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            And your prostitute friends number you as a jealous, unwanted co-worker.

          • BagLady

            Yawn

          • tagalog

            The question isn’t whether or not you number prostitutes among your friends; the question is whether or not you count anyone who pursues respectable ways of making a living among your friends.

            Even Jesus befriended Nicodemus, who was not only respectable but wealthy.

            Vegas has lots of impressive fountains, but they recycle the water they use in them.

          • BagLady

            No evaporation then, in that hot sun?

          • BagLady

            Are there any ‘respectable jobs’ in Vegas?

          • tagalog

            Not for Jesus’s friend Nicodemus.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Whores and sIuts are both immoral and disgusting. Where do you live? I find it extremely difficult to believe that women there HAVE TO sell their hootchie just to eat. The fact that most women don’t sell it proves that nobody HAS TO. They want to, and that’s what makes lazy, unproductive whores so repulsive and detestable. “Ladies” my @ss.

            I used to live in a Third World country so I know for a fact that life is much easier there than in the West. The quality of life isn’t as good, but whose fault is that?

            Las Vegas gets its gushing water from the Colorado river. So what?

          • defcon 4

            Have had any Muta’h marriage contracts lately? Or is that your primary source of income?

          • tagalog

            There’s always the express instead of the local.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Better be “solar powered” bus or you’re a carbon guzzling Hypocrite.

      • cacslewisfan

        Have you ever visited or lived in the US? I have never met anyone who came from a Third World country who didn’t love it here. Why? Many reasons, but the biggest is personal freedom and abundance. I can understand why someone with very little of either, and Marxist indoctrination, would perceive the US as extravagant and piggish. Freedom and abundance can definitely be abused. The US has its flaws, but what country doesn’t have flaws? All countries are made of sinful people. Can sinful people create a sinless country? Even if they could, would not the rest of the world condemn them for being different? If you lived here and had the choices and freedom we have, you would know that what the rest of the world calls “overindulgence” is really their own envy.

        • BagLady

          I have indeed visited the US.

          I recall being very scared by the women on Miami beach epitomizing mutton dressed as lamb.

          I Was impressed by the cooks in NY who could break 6 eggs into the pan in one go. I had the feeling the skyscrapers were going to fall on my head and I saw one man leading another on the end of a dog lead. The studded collar around the man’s neck drawing no-one’s gaze but mine.

          I listened to the man playing water filled glass bottles on Redondo Beach and had breakfast at the Casino. I asked a judge how come the fair had a stall with “Roll Up, Roll Up. See the Mad lady from the Everglades” (in a cage), and how come frogs were allowed to be treated with such cruelty in China Town and he said it was to keep the peace in a multicultural society.
          I had a conversation with a newly arrived English woman. She explained to me the importance of getting a good credit rating. It seemed to require the borrowing of more and more to get a gold star on the rating system. I asked her why she needed to do this but her mouth hung open with disbelief at my ignorance. Her very nice, and hitherto quite well-off husband, had a breakdown soon after.

          As far as comparing ‘freedom’ between ‘first world’ countries and the ‘third’ (who’s got second place?) I have to report that the third leaves the first standing. Why else would I live here?

          • cacslewisfan

            As I said, the US is the is the freest country with the most abundance in the world, and people can and do abuse it. However, we have the choice to live as we want. That is why so many people come here and love it. I understand the feeling of “there is no place like home” very well. Please tell me why your country is better off despite being “third world.”

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Stay in your Turd World Hellhole where hags like you are stoned to death for being fugly.

          • BagLady

            Dear oh dear

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            You need a new passport photo.

          • BagLady

            It’s a selfie

          • ziggy zoggy

            It’s a trollie.

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            First, you need to stop flying. Don’t you know that jets emit large amounts of hydrocarbons? I submit to you that you should buy a sailing yacht. Though your trips might be longer, they wouldn’t endanger the planet! Be sure to buy some guns, however, in case pirates are attracted to you.

            I might add that you’ve not seen America. If you wish to see America, you need to visit the states between the Left and the Lefter coasts. Start out with Nebraska or Iowa … two of those forgotten places whose fields of waving grain feed the world.

          • BagLady

            I wholeheartedly agree with you on the sailing front. Whatever happened to the ‘banana boats’ where you could travel the world slowly for the price of a train ticket and a bit of help in the kitchen? I also agree that I have not seen much of America and would love to travel it slowly from top to bottom. Sadly, it will not be possible and I rely on others for a picture of life in these far flung places.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Try Google or Craigslist for your banana boat. Would you get on board if it isn’t Solar powered?
            .

          • BagLady

            You don’t need solar when you have the wind.

          • cheechakos

            The banana boats all sank in storms

          • BagLady

            First, you need to stop flying. Don’t you know that jets emit large amounts of hydrocarbons?

            I do know that. The media made such a fuss about it just prior to ‘them’ adding yet more huge taxes to the price of a ticket “to dissuade us from flying”. The hypocrisy is that governments everywhere actively promote flying over other forms of transport. For instance, you will always get a longer visa arriving at an airport than you will crossing a land border.

          • tagalog

            Visiting New York City and Metro L.A. is not visiting the United States.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            LOL…but that is most of it. Come on. Wall Street and Hollywood. Plus she visited Don Johnson as well so…I think she probably “sussed it out.”

            My mother travels as much as I do, and she’s just as delusional as she was in high school. She doesn’t see what she doesn’t want to see.

          • BagLady

            Don’t forget Miami Beach.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Because you’re a lunatic.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Well gee whiz, you’ve seen it all.

            “As far as comparing ‘freedom’ between ‘first world’ countries and the ‘third’ (who’s got second place?) I have to report that the third leaves the first standing. Why else would I live here?”

            Living in the “third world” is great for selfish elites. Obviously plenty of people to exploit. Hypocrite.

          • BagLady

            Most poor countries have parallel worlds: one for the ruling elite and the other for the rest of the population. Taxes are fairly arbitrary and often optional and, apart from Friday nights when they need spending money, the police are no trouble. The people muddle along on the dodgy infrastructure and no-one interferes in their daily lives. People don’t have letter boxes so no spam and no windowed envelopes demanding $$$’s for some intangible benefit from one government body or another. The death toll on the roads is better not known and yet there is never the road-rage you find in your well behaved traffic and, since I decided to sit down for a bit, I have not heard a single ‘matrimonial’ from any of my neighbours.

            It is true that the ruling party pockets all the money and lives a life of ridiculous extravagance but it’s so overt it’s almost acceptable. I find the openness more acceptable than the deviousness that takes places in places like Brussels where, for the 17th year in a row, the auditors have refused to sign off on the accounts because of the level of fraud and theft that shows up therein.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Most poor countries have parallel worlds: one for the ruling elite and the other for the rest of the population.”

            The measure of a country’s greatness is in its support for the middle class and upward mobility.

            That is why 0′Bama is a traitor to America as much as his absurd foreign policy. He’s not contributing to anything in any kind of constructive manner. He thinks wealth “just exists” and he’s out to play redistribution fairy.

            But socialist countries that play games with society may allow a few generations to sit smugly and enjoy life while destroying their ancestor’s futures.

            “It is true that the ruling party pockets all the money and lives a life of ridiculous extravagance but it’s so overt it’s almost acceptable.”

            Fatalism is so…

            “I find the openness more acceptable than the deviousness that takes places in places like Brussels where, for the 17th year in a row, the auditors have refused to sign off on the accounts because of the level of fraud and theft that shows up therein.”

            Socialism is just a different kind of corruption. Easier to hide and pretend to be altruistic.

          • ziggy zoggy

            You are a troll. You fooled everybody here for a while, but I have you pegged. Better come up with a new alias because this cover is blown.

      • A Z

        Have you ever been to China?

        Do you see what they buy?

        Let’s have you nitpick someone’s purchases and the reasons they made them. Let’s get into the weeds about why they purchased what they did.

        Then let’s do the same for you.

        I think you would whither under the scrutiny.

        • BagLady

          It took me many years to finally get to China and I admit to being blown away. I loved it. I had expected the chaos of India with illiterate Chinese spitting all over the place but, no. The people were wonderful (mostly) and I witnessed first hand their efficiency. Worried America? You should be. While you have invested your $billions in aggression, China has been investing in hearts and minds. True, they have a way to go with their paranoia holding them back but they are creeping forward, being careful to avoid western mistakes.

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            So, you like Communism? You should be happy living in America, under Obamao. He’s just your type …

            As for me, as a former soldier, I’ve killed more communists than I know … until Obamao and his fellow-travelers came to power …

          • BagLady

            I found no evidence of Communism. Capitalism was the name of the game.

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            Where? In China, or in the Obamao administration?

          • A Z

            I found no evidence of Communism, just 1 party rule … la la la la …

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Do you understand the difference? China has a blended economy but communist theories still dominate. It’s what’s best for the regime. And communism doesn’t “eradicate” capitalism. It controls it.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Capitalism for the elites on the backs of the proles. Sounds like communism to me.

          • ben t

            Totalitarian political control over the economy is not capitalism which is grounded on free economic institutions.
            China is textbook FASCIST. Read Mussolini (1910-1915) as he evolved from revolutionary socialism (marxist) to fascism. All, ALL the elements of fascism are there in today’s China. EXTREME CULTURAL NATIONALISM, EXPANSIONISM, MILITARISM, POLITICAL CONTROL OF THE ECONOMY BY AN ELITE, LIP-SERVICE TO UPLIFTING THE MASSES, etc. Han nationalism crosses the line into racism!

          • BagLady

            Presumably you are speaking of Vietnam. Perhaps you should return and join your fellow vets in their efforts to right the wrongs that were wrought on the innocent people. You could start by digging up all those landmines you laid in the villages that are still killing the kids.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The architects of the former Soviet Union should pay reparations for the 60 years of slavery they imposed on Eastern Europe ,

            the architects of Mao’s Cultural Revolution should pay reparations to the Chinese people,

            and the UK should pay reparations to the colonies they formerly held when the British Empire existed.

          • ziggy zoggy

            The former colonies of Britain are better off because of British rule. Look at their underperforming neighbors. Former British colonies and countries that had American patronage or the Marshall Plan are light years ahead of their primitive neighbors.

          • A Z

            Maybe North Vietnam should have left South Vietnam alone.

          • tagalog

            Tell it to the Viet Minh, then the Viet Cong, not to mention the former NVA troops.

            Maybe the Brits should do some favors for the Malayan Communists. Who they defeated in a matchless exercise of imperial power.

          • BagLady

            Was just comparing the rise in power of the two. Nothing more.

          • Drakken

            Where you are concerned communist, I have a feeling your going to meet that very well deserved unpleasant fate that a traitor like you deserves.

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            What wrongs are you talking about? The only wrongs I saw in Vietnam were those committed by Charlie and the NVA against their own people. Of course, the little girls who were raped to death must have been “counter-revolutionaries”, mustn’t they?

            The only regret I have about Vietnam is not killing more more of the communists (I have restrained myself from using the more colorful language I usually employ, when referring to the deluded followers of Herr Marx).

            Some day, when you have grown up, you come to realize that government is the most dehumanizing element on this planet, and that communists … like you … want more government than anyone else.

            Of course, there is an alternative. To re-humanize this world, we could start by eliminating as much government as possible …

          • BagLady

            Presumably you are a Vietnam vet. Perhaps you should be over there with the many US vets who are attempting to make restitution for the terrible deeds they did by clearing mines and building schools etc.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Americans clearing Chinese manufactured mines for the communists who murdered, tortured and brutalized the free people of South Vietnam?

            Americans are such oppressors!

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Why don’t you apply for asylum in China. You think China is open to immigration from the likes of you? They smile and slam the door in your face.

            China wants your dollars, but not you.

          • A Z

            I have been to China 3 times and it was not on packaged tours.

            “While you have invested your $billions in aggression, China has been investing in hearts and minds.”

            This flippant comment by a leftist British passport holder is so typical. You want chauvinism and military aggression? You have it in China. You might have met lots of wonderful people but it is there.

            Maybe you should look up Han chauvinism and Chinese nationalism. I saw it 1st hand during a play of “The Battle of the Red Cliffs” and the ridiculous, overwrought yet endearing tv series on some Chinese WW2 soldiers.

            Also maybe you should look up the term purchasing power parity and look at the growth of the Chinese military. I really like you to talk to Japanese, Koreans, Filipinos, Taiwanese, Vietnamese & Malaysians about China not being imperialistic or aggressive.

          • Drakken

            What the hell is it with these western leftist communist and their love of anything 3rd world and hate of their own? I for one have zero sympathy or empathy for such people, may they suffer their well deserved fate as the traitors they are.

          • tagalog

            You mean like tolerance of those who advocate for self-rule through representative government?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Potemkin tours are great for the tourists.

            Having said that, it’s the regime that is the problem, not the people. Generally speaking.

          • ziggy zoggy

            The people in the big Chinese cities are supremacist @ssholes who think being four feet tall, ugly, rude, ignorant, corrupt, and hung like field mice/butts like planks is better than being a westerner who gave them everything of value they have.

          • ziggy zoggy

            SkagLady,

            You’re lying. The Chinese are the rudest and most crass people on the planet after the islamopithecines. Slave labor and slave wages for workers is efficient, yes, but it’s far from wonderful. And China is bullying every neighbor it has except Tibet………..but only because they conquered Tibet……..a country that had no military. America protects and enriches its neighbors.

            Pull your head out of your @ss.

          • Omar

            The Chinese Communists successfully occupied Tibet more than 60 years ago. That occupation has resulted in the deaths of over 1.2 million Tibetans and the forced exile of Tibet’s spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, to India, where he has been living since 1959. Today, Communist China is still an imperialist power looking to bully other countries. Along with neo-Communist Russia and Islamist Iran, Communist China supports and funds the so-called “Palestinian” leadership in their quest to destroy the democratic state of Israel and toppress the Jews. Communist China is partof the unholy alliance between the radical left and the Islamists. That’s the reality.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Yup.

          • hiernonymous

            “You’re lying. The Chinese are the rudest and most crass people on the planet after the islamopithecines.”

            Someone has a different impression than yours and they’re “lying?” Get help.

          • cheechakos

            Their child laborers,prison organ donors,fish farms in sewage treatment plant lakes and eating endangered animals into extinction are environmentally friendly?

      • A Z

        Let’s see, the Chinese I saw had (check these off the list):

        TV
        car
        Vacation home
        computer
        camera
        video cam
        etc.

        Did they have a bag lady (aka post modernist church lady ) moralizing about them?

        Not so much!

        • objectivefactsmatter

          Dirty air, dirty water, corruption etc. etc. all the fault of the evil capitalists. That’s us.

          Just remember, always America’s fault.

          • A Z

            One thing that was seminal in my understanding of capitalism was a study of Japan at the start of the Tokugawa shogunate.

            Some samarai now that there were no more wars and needing employment became dealers in rice. And of course you got a stock exchange in rice with futures and contracts and all that. Same thing happened with wheat. You can read about in the Mayor of Castorbridge. It is not the main focus of the novel but part of the setting. It seems to be the 1984 rewriters of history will have a lot of rewriting to do.

            Thing is once conditions are the same exchanges and future contracts and everything else will pop up again.

            Capitalism is natural. It is natural as feudalism and communism/communalism. They all can work well. It is just how seriously people take their rights and responsibilities.

            I do not think communism works will for groups of more than 150 people.

        • ziggy zoggy

          I’ve been to China. 99% of Chinese don’t even have plumbing or power in their hovels. Or store bought shoes. What the fuck are you talking about?

          • A Z

            I doubt the 99% store bought shoes statistic.

            I did see people quite poor. I saw people living in the burnt out(?) ruins of a long 2 story apartment building.
            I saw people standing in an unfinished concrete 2 story sore. The windows did not have frames. the ground floor was going to have one of those roll up metal doors. I saw several guys looking out the 2nd story window looking out wondering where they were going to find a job so they could eat. They were from the country side outside Beijing. So I have seen the poor in China too.

            I have also seen them in Santa Monica, NYC, Chicago, South America and Japan. Japan actually has a growing problem of people living in the parks and under bridges.

            It is a matter of quintiles and which ones are getting bigger. With exports tanking China will be hurting, which is not a good thing. Maybe the silver lining will be they put a break on their military expansion.

          • ziggy zoggy

            99% of the Chinese live in the countryside. They wear homemade sandals. The derelicts you describe from America and Japan are anomalies.

            China sucks @ss.

          • hiernonymous

            “99% of the Chinese live in the countryside.”

            Really? When did they move back? The CIA estimated Chinese urbanization at just under 51% in 2011.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Who could be stupid enough to believe that more than five hundred million people live in the few major cities that China has?

            Drooling fucking douchetard.

          • ziggy zoggy

            And the CIA has been an Obama company since 2009. Absolutely corrupt, inept and unreliable.

          • hiernonymous

            CIA’s been reporting high levels of Chinese urbanization since long before 2009. Interesting thought process, though.

          • hiernonymous

            “Who could be stupid enough to believe that more than five hundred million people live in the few major cities that China has?”

            For starters, the roughly 700 million Chinese actually living in urban areas, including 11 million living in Guanghzhou (we won’t mention the 30 million living in the greater metropolitan area, or the similar figures for the rest of these cities); the 22 million living in Shanghai; the 19 million in Beijing; the 10 million in Shenzhen; the 11 miillion in Tianjin; the 8 million in Chengdu; the 10 million in Wuhan; the 7 million apiece in Nanjing, Hong Kong, Chongqing, the 3+ million living in Wenzhou, Xiamen, Changsha, Taiyuan, Dalian, Kunming, Wuxi, Changchun, Ningbo, Zibo, Heifei, Taizhou, Tangshan, Nanning Guiyang, Urumchi, Xuzhou – or the list of 105 cities with a population of more than 1 million but less than 3 million.

            You seem to be more or less in a permanent state of war with reality. I suggest that you pay a visit to the nearest big box store and spend some time looking closely at the merchandise, noting just how much of it is made in that agricultural podunk of China.

            “Drooling fucking douchetard.”

            As well-argued as ever.

          • hiernonymous

            404 – how very, very interesting…

          • Drakken

            With economies tanking, it makes war and expansionism that more likely.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Soviet Union famous for the dirtiest air in the world.

        Now China has that honor. Neither the former SU or China care about pollution or the people it affects.

        But regressive “progressives” are under orders from the Kremlin to lay off slamming their guys.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          They still get “carbon credits” for being “undeveloped.”

          It’s such BS. Cryto-communist scammers think they fool everyone.

        • BagLady

          Actually, according to Google, America used to lead the world in pollution but, once it killed off its industries, China took over the lead. Very difficult to keep things clean when you have an industrialised nation I should imagine. Germany for instance. You don’t get much neater and tidier than Germany and yet there they are, up there with the dirty people.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Lay off the Google. You can find ANYTHING there, no matter how ridiculous. Space aliens, Elvis sightings, America as the former pollution Capitol……..

      • objectivefactsmatter

        “I’m afraid that, notwithstanding China’s newfound wealth, America remains the biggest culprit for personal overindulgence”

        People only indulge when they can. More Americans can because as a nation we’re very successful. And free.

        If you don’t like it, the world isn’t so crowded that you have to be here.

    • BagLady

      You can rant against ‘greenies’ all you like but where would you be without them fighting your corner for you? All those asbestosis sufferers? The cancers that dominate areas of high industry? The fishing industry? Wildlife? etc etc. The waters around Fukushima are alive and spreading wider and wider by the day but still we advocate nuclear power because it’s ‘cleaner’. Now we have fracking as the new craze. They concede it may cause the odd earthquake and surface water contamination but, hey guys, we need the energy. Do me a favour?

      • cacslewisfan

        I don’t “rant against the Greenies” I just hate that they look at oil drilling and say “it can’t be done!” Please! They claim to be scientists! Why can’t they come up with something to make it cleaner, or have less environmental impact? All this talk of “alternate energy” but they can’t even do much with what we have. One of my parents is a scientist who does environmental work and speaks at some of the largest environmental impact conferences in the world. “Wind Power” is currently decimating bird populations wherever it has been set up. Ultimately many scientists, think humanity is a cancer and they just want grant money. Be sure to take what you read with a grain of salt. Celebrity scientists and their groupies publish with a definite agenda, acting very much like slimy televangelists.

        • BagLady

          We have the ultimate in clean energy. We have the sun. Capturing it’s rays is cheap and efficient. Why then are we shunning it? Not enough profit?

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            Because it doesn’t always shine …

            And Obamao has proven that “capturing it’s rays” is not “cheap and efficient”.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            You say you left your Turd World country and visited the US and China. What green powered mode of transportation did you use? What “green”, “progrssive” country manufactured the vehicles that brought you to those distant shores?

            KGB Putins Russia? Castros Cuba? United Kaliphate?

          • tagalog

            Solar powered ground transport and air transport don’t lend themselves very readily to solar power, don’t you agree?
            Perhaps you feel that people would be better off returning to feudal bondage to the land.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            SkagLady prefers the ox cart and a large wagon to drag her obese azz.

          • ebonystone

            “Capturing it’s rays is cheap and efficient.”

            Not at midnight.

          • cheechakos

            Orcwhen it rains,snows,is cloudy…….

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Nobody shuns solar power. It will increase in importance as technologies continue to improve. Throwing money indiscriminately at something doesn’t usually do too much good.

            And some of the policies would make a lot more sense if they weren’t also designed to take wealth away from “capitalist” (successful) countries to “punish” them for industrialization. I’ll pay them for the “burden” if they also repay what they “owe” for intellectual property rights.

            Don’t hold your breath for that to happen.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Why not use solar power? Because we can’t power our utilities, vehicles or anything else with it. That sort of technology isn’t scientific, it’s science fiction.

        • BagLady

          It isn’t that it can’t be done but human frailty must be brought into the equation. You only have to look around the world to see the damage done to the environment from these mega-companies simply because of their fixation on the bottom line. Japan is a perfect example. Protecting their financial interests took precedence over the danger to the entire world from their cost-cutting neglect. Even now they continue to lie about the poison spewing from their reactors and spreading through our oceans.

          They tell us fracking is very safe but it’s only as safe as the guy who slots the pipes together. One mistake and we have leakage.

          I have a South African friend who runs a 30 bed hotel with nothing more than a solar panel on his roof and I wonder why solar isn’t more popular, especially now that it is becoming more and more effective and needing less and less direct sunshine.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Because unsubsidized solar in First World countries is too inefficient and expensive.

          • ziggy zoggy

            You are a stupid troll that changed its alias because your last one was known. Your Third World bull$hit and inconsistent attempts at Commonwealth English fooled me at first but I have you nailed.

            Fuck you, you fraud.

      • Wolfthatknowsall

        Where would I be without the greenies? With more money, cheaper gas, ad infinitum

      • ziggy zoggy

        SkagLady,

        You obviously believe whatever wild claims the greens make because you care about the environment. News flash: Everybody in the Western world cares about the environment and the greens are serial liars. Everything you wrote is wrong and you can easily fact check that. The greens rely on the scientific ignorance of the people they dupe so that bunk science and outright lies will convert people to their cause – which is for all of us to live in clean energy fantasyland and ride bicycles from commune to commune.

        The asbestos scare was a hoax used to make money and all the cancer scares are likewise fraudulent. The fishing industry has more regulations than Obamacare and wildlife is protected even in most Third World countries. For God’s sake, even man eating monsters like great white sharks are a protected species in every modern country they menace! The water used to cool rods in nuclear reactors is not radioactive – it is simply warm. Cracking involves nothing but high pressure water – it is impossible to cause earthquakes and contaminate water with……..water.

        Educate yourself! Read some technical texts instead of ideological ones. The greens are liars and fools. Like I wrote, every Westerner cares about the environment. The only people who don’t are the ones the greens give a free pass to: The Chinese, the islamopithecines and most of the people in the Third World. (Look at your neighbors and tell me how much they care.) esterners fight forest fires, protect wildlife and clean up after themselves.

        • Smoking Hamster

          You need fracking fluid which is for the most part water and sand with a trace of surfactants. Haliburton has made stuff that is so non toxic that you can drink it.

          I’d like to see BagLady try that with the solar panel manufacturing waste products. Actually the cadmium probably couldn’t harm her brain any more.

  • Toa

    A funny, and accurate illustration of “Liberals” ‘s hysterical clutching at their “precious”, destructive religion.

  • Jim

    Are you telling us the god of global warming is killing its’ own worshipers as well as heretics with super storms. I can only assume that many believers are burning fossil fuel in their cars and planes or using electricity from coal fired plants and this behavior is getting them chilled (no humor intended).

    Beware of any religion that declares non-believers must be sacrificed; that’s exactly what the god of global warming demands……………………

    • Daniel Greenfield

      Deities of death tend to be big with the human sacrifices

  • BagLady

    Upwards of 10,000 people have died in a storm and many more will face the same fate from the aftermath in the coming weeks. We have been here before in Haiti. The first to arrive are the military and the media and aid agencies with their clipboards, 4 x 4′s and a room in the only surviving hotel, from whence they relay their findings back to head office. The heads of these Aid Agencies swing into action immediately, releasing their media begging campaign. Our heads of state stand up and announce some ridiculous pledge of millions. A pledge they have no intention of meeting. In the meantime thousands die for want of a glass of water.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      And why do they have so much trouble getting a glass of water in Haiti?

      Could it have something to do with what’s wrong with Haiti above and beyond any storm?

      • tagalog

        Have you noticed that a year after the disaster that devastated Haiti they still hadn’t cleared their streets of the rubble? I know that the first world nations hadn’t provided enough of a handout to Haitians, but I would have expected that for convenience’s sake they would have cleaned up their streets.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Where is sean penn?

          He can only act the part of a caring person.

          Being a REAL caring person is absent from his character.

    • Drakken

      And then you look next door to the Dominican Republic and it is a thriving place. Hmm maybe the people in Haiti aren’t making their lives better are they?

    • ziggy zoggy

      SkagLady,

      Approximately 2500 people died from a storm in the Philippines because of shoddy building construction and the failure to evacuate the storm’s path. The military is already providing relief while the media ghouls ask victims what they’re “feeling.” The professional aid agencies absolutely ARE bilking the public for all they can, as usual. Strange to hear a lefty admit that, though. Christian charities are helping out with efficiency and zero corruption, of course.

      And nobody dies of thirst in the tropics.

      • The March Hare

        And Israel sent medical aid and relief workers to Haiti and got smeared in the leftist press for their effort.

  • Steven Hecht

    Excellent piece. Thanks. I have told anti-religion leftist friends they hate religion because those who misuse religion use the exact same defective mental process as the Left, a perfect example being the climate change issue. They either become incensed or do not respond because their suppressed emotions keep them from any reasonable examination of the issue.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      They are perversely a religion that denies its own religiosity. They skip right to it being an absolute truth

      • trickyblain

        Yes, it’s just like a religion. If you take away the fact that not a single scientific body of national or international standing, in all combined disciplines, maintains a formal opinion that dissents from the main points of AGW. Not one. The last to do so was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists in 1999, yet they changed their position in 2007. Noah loading every species of animal on Earth into a boat for a 40-day cruise does not have that level of support among people who work with facts and evidence and tests for a living, as far as I know. And, no, waxing and whining whimsically and worthlessly about what some nut said about this or that does not make this any less true.

        Why would people go through so much to fool the masses? The only argument that the ideologues seem to advance is that liberals/leftists/Marxists want to force everyone into a Prius.

        • ziggy zoggy

          Only communists and other leftists deny they practice a religious faith. There is no “scientific” consensus about the global warming hoax. Only con men looking for free funding continue to lie about it. Only ret@rds actually believe those lies.

          Which are you?

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “Why would people go through so much to fool the masses? The only argument that the ideologues seem to advance is that liberals/leftists/Marxists want to force everyone into a Prius.”

          Holy cow, you really don’t know about the carbon credits scams? It’s international socialism. Wealth redistribution. And it justifies increasing government sovereignty over “the environment” which can be found….everywhere.

        • Wolfthatknowsall

          “If you take away the fact that not a single scientific body of national
          or international standing, in all combined disciplines, maintains a
          formal opinion that dissents from the main points of AGW. Not one.”

          Have you ever attempted to get a grant to do scientific research, when your opinion dissents from those who will do the granting? The power of money trumps all “scientific research”, these days.

          What you described in the quote, above, sounds remarkably like the Vatican circa 1100 ad. Except if you dissented then, it wasn’t money you lost … it was your life …

    • BagLady

      Do your leftist friends really feel all the extreme emotions you speak of? I should have though such feelings as ‘love’ and ‘hate’ belong to more personal issues and that you might just be guilty of exaggeration. A good debate is surely lost when emotion clouds the issue.

      • tagalog

        The leftists I have known in my life tend to emote quite a bit, but my perception is that a lot of their proclaimed emotion over the inequality that exists in the world comes from striking what they want others to believe is a credible pose, and in reality they are pretty much out for themselves like most other people.

  • Phil

    I thought Obamao was the God of Liberals?
    Remember he said he would make the oceans recede?

    • Daniel Greenfield

      Apparently he hasn’t appeased Gaia with enough Socialism yet

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        They need to throw more Socialists into the volcano.

  • Donald J DaCosta

    Liberals and other zealots long ago learned that hypocritically pontificating about their “great concern” for the environment and their “undying love” for the common man gave them license to engage in their favorite tactic, the
    prediction of impending disaster as a result of the epitome of human greed, Capitalism and the evils of competition in free markets.

    And why not. First and foremost, humans have a special fascination for disaster and its consequences, the “doom & gloom” scenario. It grabs our attention. Predictions of impending disasters has been a common theme throughout history. Second, with many of their clueless converts and followers believing in flying saucer abductions, Bush/Cheney responsible for 9/11, “Bush lied, people died,” Hollywood special effects for the “fake” moon landings, Islam is a “religion of peace,” and America and its huge thirst for the “black poison,” oil, responsible for everything evil in the world, liberals believe and hope they’re dealing with the abject ignorance of a majority of an easily manipulated populace. Obama getting re-elected in 2012 served as convincing evidence that they may, in fact, be correct, especially about the easily manipulated part.

    The global warming fiasco preceded by the former ice age fiasco is yet another prediction of an impending disaster intended to accrue an excessive amount of influence and power to a clique of self aggrandizing intellectuals with little to no
    experience in the business world but much in the world of untested theories adjusted and manipulated to fit their stark, attention grabbing, predictions. In most cases these studies are financed by government grants and the more radical and fearsome the predictions and the intellectual bonafides (degrees, awards, group memberships, etc.) of the participants, the bigger the grants. They are convinced that their disconnect from the influences of industry makes them uniquely qualified for the unfettered influence they require to implement their new and therefore, by their definition, supremely superior prognostications to that of the grunge Capitalists driving the world to impending disaster in their unfettered lust for massive wealth and power. Power that should belong to those with more brains more sheepskins and more prestige among their peers; in their “humble” opinion.

    “Settled science” is their by word, proof by consensus their claim, but here’s an inconvenient fact. Theories are not proven by consensus, they’re proven by experiment when outcomes are unerringly predicted by a consistently applied theory. This “proof” of man induced climate effects is no where in sight other
    than in computer program scenarios based on whatever algorithms are required to “prove” the desired outcomes and on the basis of this, these zealots wish to impose economy destroying penalties that will have the greatest detrimental effect on the major industrial economies of the world with America hanging on to number one by its fingernails as it struggles mightily against an already burdensome set of regulations designed to enforce unrealistic, unreasonable, excessively stringent criteria. All touted of course to be in the
    best interest of humanity, an especially specious assertion.

  • Grant

    Yeah right:) the easiest way is saying that all evil of this world is God’s will:) The funniest thing is that people easily believe that God is angry at people who develop industry and believe in free market. Maybe it isn’t whole true, cause not everybody believe in God, but I agree that Mother Nature takes revenge on people who threaten environment and whole ecosystem. I’ve read here http://blog.pulawy.com/en/global-problems-with-water-supply/ about changes of global weather and water supply, resulting from global warming. Maybe it’s time to think more about our planet because Nature gives us clear signals.

    • MukeNecca

      And what signal has “mother nature” sent to the dinosaurs when she annihilated them? How exactly did they “threaten environment and whole ecosystem” that made her “take revenge” on these beasts. And why did “mother nature” completely screwed up the “environment and whole ecosystem” of the northern hemisphere freezing it repeatedly for thousands of years eradicating almost entirely almost anything alive? . Now, in what way the local fauna and flora sinned against the “mother nature? From how she acts she seems to act more like a vicious, or mad step-mother than mother. If she were real I would give her my piece of mind.

  • CRITman

    “Global Warming” was suppose to be the cause of the giant Typhoon which was called the worst “in the history of earth”. OH! Let’s see now, the earth is in the neighborhood of 4.5 Billion years old and humans have been around for 25 to 50,000 years. Anyone know who was around in Four Billion BC to record what the weather was doing? We humans think that we are such “Hot Stuff”, but the Good Lord and Mother Nature can take us down in a day or two. For example: The Yellowstone Caldera is past due for an eruption. It would take out the west coast from CA to WA and the Northern states over to the Dakotas. We in the SW would still be effected by the volcanic ash, which would make auto emissions in the air almost look like oxygen for survival. In reality Mother Nature puts a lot emissions in the air, but you never heard the “Global Wacko’s” ever tell anyone what those are!

    • justquitnow

      I think this is called the “ah shucks pa” fallacy. The earth doesn’t give a rat’s arse whether it can sustain 7 billion humans. The earth will still be here long after we are all gone. We care because we live in a small band of habitable environment.

  • herb benty

    Having securely embedded the now debunked theory of evolution into every facet of modern life, these “elites” are sure that they can now direct mankind’s evolution, and only them. We are pawns, they are the kings, queens, knights and castles in this new order. They have almost outlawed the wonderful loving Almighty Judeo-Christian Faith God and ironicly adopted the ancient, “god of forces”……as the Bible said they will, near the end of this world.

  • Gamal

    The crazy cultic nature of the global warming and similar apocalyptic insanity has been described at length in a book called Roosters of the Apocalypse. http://www.amazon.com/Roosters-Apocalypse-Science-Warming-Bankrupted/dp/1934791377

  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    The regressive “progressives” used to call it

    Global Warming.

    Now they call it

    Climate Change because the Global Warming scam wasn’t getting the traction it once was.

    What’s next? Climate Imperialism?

  • BagLady

    Israel excels in two areas, the second being ‘rapid response’ to catastrophes. I recall that, following the Haitian earthquake and Obama’s pathetic response, Israel was one of the first on the ground with their life saving expertise. I see no sign of them in the Philippines. I hope politics and religion have not got in the way of their humanitarian efforts.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      How do you explain your boundless ignorance????

      http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/world/11/13/13/israel-sends-typhoon-relief-mission-philippines

      You are cursed with ignorance and arrogance.

      • MukeNecca

        “How do you explain your boundless ignorance????”

        Where she comes from to explain and to apologize is considered as the betrayal of the cause. First you apologize for making a mistake and sooner or later you admit your cause is wrong. There are thousands of ex-liberals and ex-leftists who started by apologizing and admitting mistake and ended as conservatives.

        It is a slippery slope.

      • MukeNecca

        You are cursed with ignorance and arrogance.”

        But blessed with inanity, so she is spared the discomfort of knowing it.

    • MukeNecca

      “I hope politics and religion have not got in the way of their humanitarian efforts.”

      No you don’t. You hope they did got in the way. Whom do you think you’re kidding

    • Daniel Greenfield

      The Israelis are there. Why wouldn’t they be?

      http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4453779,00.html

    • ziggy zoggy

      What do Israeli politics and religion have to do with the Pilippines?

  • celador2

    Have no other GOD before me dictated GOD to Moses as he began Ten Commandment. And we have been tempted to create our own GODs other than Him who made us ever since. Liberals are irreverent atheists mostly with a sense of entitlement from the government. They expect to tax,,cap and trade on someone else’s dime.
    No thanks.

  • marineh2ominer

    Of course China’s huge new damn that holds enough water to tilt the earth on its axis had NOTHING to do with it .

  • georgejochnowitz

    In response to Typhoon Haiyan, Israel is providing major and speedy relief.

    http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/11/16/nbcs-dr-snyderman-visits-idf-medics-in-philippines-leaves-in-awe-video/
    This news story will go underreported.

  • cheechakos

    The arrogance,greed and god complexes of politicians is sometimes mind boggling. The theory that they can control the weather and the planets evolution with taxes really is comparable to primitive pagan religious beliefs.

    Every 20 years or so the world experiences superstorms. The weather patterns that produce the storms last 5-10 years. So every 20-30 years the MSM ,politicians and theoretical scientists go into a “the world is going to end” phase.
    This goes back way back before when storm records and newspapers began.

    The Würm glaciation ended c. 10,000 BC, and the world entered a period of global warming that continues to this day.

  • solidspine

    It is so bizarre, and I still think these crazies are making money of this and every cockmaine scam – Global Warming, hey I am from Minnesota and have been praying for Global warming for 55 years.

  • C. Reed

    I am so sick and tired of our godless leftists that try and blame the merciful God for killing and destroying all those people and their land. Just for the record, God good, satan BAD! Godless people!!! Shame on you Liberals!!!

    • justquitnow

      Well that’s the problem with having only one all powerful, all knowing, all seeing entity that runs everything. When something “bad” happens you can’t blame god….

      This is the origins of the “devil”….cognitive dissonance.

      • C. Reed

        I believe in the Lord God Almighty! The Father of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob! I don’t blame God when something goes wrong. I blame the real problem: John 10:10 The thief does not come except to steal, and kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.

        • justquitnow

          WTF…dude the bible is fine and all, but if you are going to soak in it for the whole of your adult life without further education on the matter then just keep it to yourself because that path leads to stupid crazy town.

  • justquitnow

    To a cultist, everything that rubs them the wrong way is another belief system. This is because they are steeped in belief. It’s the only fight you know how to have, so you end up inventing new religions everyday, combining them and rearranging them relative to your own belief. And that belief isn’t even Christian…it;s like some kind of neo-christian “me first” weirdness.

  • Jerry G

    The level of stupidity amongst the world’s elites is unbelievable. Any high school kid with a fair understanding of this earth’s history knows,or should know that devastating storms, hurricanes,floods, typhoons, earthquakes have been visited upon us since time began and didn’t start with the invention of the gasoline engine.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      The left doesn’t do history. Its elites are too smart to believe that the present is an extension of the past, rather they believe the present to be the reverse projection of an inevitable progressive future.

  • Godagesil Rex

    Weather wise, the typhoon was nothing new. The terms, “in recorded history” and “on record” the media throw about with abandon are fallacious and specious. In WWII there was a huge typhoon that struck Task Force 38 east of the Phillipines and sank three destroyers with a loss of almost 800 sailors. Another “super typhoon” hit Okinawa in 1945 at the time the US would have been staging the invasion fleet for the invasion of Japan, had it not been called off on account of their surrender when the two A-bombs were dropped. It could have been catastrophic, an even equal to the origin of the word, Kamikaze, or Divine Wind, the typhoon that destroyed Kublai Khan’s mongol invasion fleets on its voyage to invade Japan in 1274 and 1281. Typhoon Haiyan was not even the strongest to hit the Phillipines on record. Weather Satatellites have only been available for the last 40 years so that is a pretty short “record” to be basing such claims. Sure historical accounts may document storms but the accounts are not scientific. Measurement of storms and their relative strength is not an exact science. So yes is was a bad storm, was it related to global warming, no. Was it larger or greater in intensity than normal, due to global warming, no. To make such claims one would have to furnish ocean temperature data that demonstrates a higher than normal ocean temperature for the period over any other fall season on record. Tropical Storm intensity and growth both hurricanes, typhoons and cyclones are due to temperature differencials between air and sea water.

  • Godagesil Rex

    Oh yeah, as I predicted the first claims of 10,000 deaths were overated, presumably in an attempt to get the maximum amount of aid and dollars in the first knee jerk reaction from saps in the west. One wonders how many fewer lives would have been lost had the US still had naval and air bases in the Phillipines? In a nation notorious for governments who are apathetic to their own people, the presence of the US military might have had a huge impact. After booting us out over usurious base rental fees (somewhere north of a billion dollars a year they were asking) we closed up the bases and pulled out after over 100 years. Now the Filipinos want us back because the big bully on the block, China is stealing their lunch money. One wonders what the future holds for the west pacific nations what with China pulling the plug on their one child rule. Where will all the excess Chinese go? Are they gearing up for colonization of their neighboring nations? Russia has a lot of empty space in Siberia, and at last count only numbered 145 million souls, less than 1/5 the population of the US, and less than 1/9th the size of China’s population. If the population starts to grow in China by only 1% it will take China’s current population of 1.3 billion to double to 2.6 billion in only 72 years. If they allow more than two children, it could cut the time nearly in half to 48 years.

  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    FascistKnight,

    Why did your Turd Reich declare War on the US, 12/11/41, just four days after the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor?

    Still upset that your side, the national SOCIALISTS LOST WW2?

    Nazis Sign Historic Surrenderhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D5ZHKPwb7w