The Obama Who Stole Thanksgiving

Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam. He is completing a book on the international challenges America faces in the 21st century.


thanksgiving_dinner_1280x1024Progressives have already tried to ruin Thanksgiving by condemning it as a genocidal holiday commemorating European colonialism or by giving snippy little speeches about consumerism.

But they didn’t have a way to actually get into living rooms to ruin the holiday until now.

Not content that the price of a whole frozen turkey went up 37% under his economic policies, Obama decided to completely ruin Thanksgiving dinner by turning it into an angry debate about ObamaCare.

If you were hoping to eat your turkey in peace; forget about it. Michelle Obama not only wants to control your menu; she also wants to control the topic of your family dinner conversation by exhorting your more impressionable relatives to sell you on her husband’s substandard ObamaCare junk plans.

The “Health Care for the Holidays” page on BarackObama.com, promoted by his wife, urges his remaining devoted followers to “pledge” to push ObamaCare on family members and advises “integrating the talk into family time.”

Because there’s nothing that says “family time” like teaching people to hijack family dinners to become used health care salesmen; BarackObama.com offers sales tips like “Make it memorable,” “Be Persistent, but keep it positive” and “Find a quiet place.” That last tip will prevent other family members from hearing their screams of horror at the size of their new ObamaCare premiums and deductibles.

These aren’t tips for talking to family members; but for scamming them out of money. They’re the sort of crude sales techniques that MLM affiliates get in the mail. Be positive, be persistent and eventually you’ll sucker some poor idiot into an ObamaCare plan with a bigger deductible than the national debt.

And if the poor idiot is related to you… that just makes him an easier mark.

Doing its best to make ObamaCare seem like a creepy cult, Obama supporters are instructed to badger family members with cries of “Have you thought about signing up,” “Would you like to sign up now,” “When do you plan on signing up” and “Have you signed up yet.”

The only thing missing is; “If you don’t sign up for ObamaCare; I won’t love you anymore.”

But it’s not just Organizing for America, the rebirth of Obama’s 2012 campaign as a mutated Super PAC, that is working on ruining your Thanksgiving. MSNBC, the Los Angeles Times, the Huffington Post and the Washington Post have also gotten into the Thanksgiving Knockout Game.

The Washington Post offers a guide for convincing all your relatives that ObamaCare is working great because 12,000 people have signed up in Washington.

There’s tips for convincing your mom and dad that ObamaCare isn’t a disaster, persuading your grandfather that ObamaCare doesn’t have death panels, assuring your brother that he won’t lose his employer health plan, brushing off your uncle’s complaint about his health plan cancellation and convincing your cousin’s girlfriend who has a degree in Computer Science that she doesn’t know anything about what’s wrong with Healthcare.gov and should just shut up.

Not only will the Washington Post preemptively map out your family arguments for you; but the answer to each of them is that Obama is always right.

Even Pravda couldn’t have done any better.

The Los Angeles Times offers the only honestly dishonest liberal debating guide with debate tips like “Flatter your opponent,” “Argue by anecdote” and “Call out the other person for arguing by anecdote.”

And if any family members get sick of your Los Angeles Times approved plan to hijack Thanksgiving by coming to a prepared debate with an assistant to look up things for you on a smartphone while you anecdotally compare Republicans to Hitler; the Los Angeles Times also offers tips for handling “annoying peacekeepers” who say things like “Why don’t we just try to have a nice time on Thanksgiving?”

The nerve of these people trying to have a family dinner on Thanksgiving instead of a screaming match about ObamaCare; don’t they know that their attitude is ruining your progressive Thanksgiving?

But what if you’re a fanatical progressive who doesn’t think that berating family members about ObamaCare over Thanksgiving dinner is in the spirit of the holiday? There are other liberal causes that you can scream at them about.

Michael Bloomberg’s Mayors Against Illegal Guns has a Thanksgiving turkey placemat to print out and shove at family members so that they too can “demand a plan.”

The Bloomberg Turkey (not legal in New York due to its size and transfat content) is less about selling your family members on trashing the Second Amendment and more about celebrating Bloomberg’s pet taxpayer-funded lobby with quizzes that ask how many races the “Washington Gun Lobby” has won and whether they live in a state that requires background checks for firearms purchases.

Leave it to Mayor Bloomberg to find a way to make the ObamaCare Thanksgiving sales pitch look like fun.

But what if talking about shooting people just doesn’t feel like appropriate Thanksgiving dinner conversation? There’s always killing babies.

Planned Parenthood has been giving out tips for promoting abortion at Thanksgiving for years. The handout urges Planners to avoid discussing “when life begins” and focus instead on shared values like everyone having the right to decide “whether to become a parent” or to carry a dead baby in a handbag to a Victoria’s Secret store.

Planned Parenthood urges framing abortion as a personal issue instead of a political issue. But whether it’s personal or political; the baby is still dead and Thanksgiving dinner is still ruined.

But what if you don’t want to limit yourself to just one way of ruining Thanksgiving?

The Democratic National Committee has gotten into the fun with YourRepublicanUncle; a site that promises to do for Thanksgiving what the Democratic Party already did for America.

There are tips for debating family members on every liberal cause. Don’t just settle for screaming at your uncles about abortion, ObamaCare or ObamaCare’s abortions.

The Democratic National Committee also wants you to scream at family members about the economy, immigration and global warming with crazy lies claiming that Obama’s increase of the National Debt from 10 trillion to 17 trillion is actually a dramatic decrease, that ObamaCare saves businesses money and that illegal alien amnesty isn’t amnesty.

Despite all the energy being poured into turning Julia into the best community organizer that she can be; none of these debate preps are really about winning arguments. The debate prep comes packaged with heavy doses of contempt for “older” conservative relatives. The real theme isn’t winning arguments, but maintaining the mental bubble in which Obama supporters live when they go outside their natural urban liberal environment.

ObamaCare’s target population is the young. The debate prep is really about convincing them not to question ObamaCare by injecting a bunch of talking points directly into their brains and reinforcing their contempt for everyone who disagrees as a bunch of ignorant racist old people who don’t know nearly as much about health care as the guy who didn’t know that his entire health care plan was a turkey.

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  • truebearing

    Most of Obamacare’s target is the young, but the death panels are custom made for the old white people. Yet another way the Left can work in some good, old-fashioned negative eugenics. What fun is power for the Left if they can’t kill millions of people?

    • carpe diem 36

      i do not think death panels care whether the old are white, black yellow or green. they just kill off the old and sick. that is really SICK!!

      • truebearing

        Sure the death panels care about color. Whites are more likely to vote conservative.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          Well, the IRS is involved so I’m sure since they have no agenda, we won’t have to worry about a thing.

          • truebearing

            Good point. I’ll sleep better tonight.

    • Cold_Drake_80

      Still yammering about death panels? Those were discredited long ago. Now that I think about it I’ve found FPM to be a dumping ground for obsolete bigotries so why not add conspiracy theories to the pile?

      • GODSWIZARD

        Hey Cold_Drake_80….save the turkey for later. Eat dung CD80.

        • Cold_Drake_80

          Gee isn’t wizardry against the FPM war god? Where have you schedules your own stoning?

          • truebearing

            Thanks for yet another incoherent comment. It sure makes us “War Gods” feel more justified.

          • truebearing

            Thanks for yet another incoherent comment. It sure makes us “War Gods” feel more justified.

          • Cold_Drake_80

            For your comment to make any kind of sense you either 1) think of yourself as a god (when have you scheduled your own execution?) 2) have appallingly low reading comprehension.

      • truebearing

        Who discredited them? Some lying shill working for the lying Left?

        I guess you aren’t well informed enough to know that people on the Left have admitted there are death panels. Mark Halperin for one. Do you really think anyone here believes one word of your lazy regurgitation of leftist lying points?

        • Cold_Drake_80

          Mark “Uber Schill” Halperin is your source? Wow, that’s impressive I guess it’s true FPMers have no standards or sense of reality.
          You can find someone who will say ANYTHING if you’re willing to throw around enough money or quote mine. If you actually look at these panels its more like triage. A grotesque idea to be sure but is it really worse than the insurance death panels? Dollars determine whether you live or die.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Dollars determine whether you live or die.”

            Exactly! Now we have the fed deciding how our dollars will be spent on health insurance, and that includes wealth redistribution. Death Panel might be a bit dramatic, but they will decide funding issues on a federal level with more federal control than ever before.

            And over time, that defunds certain medical procedures. Therefore even if today for example I have insurance or other funding to pay for process X, that process will wither over time if a lot of people who formerly elected to get coverage for that process no longer have that choice. The process will get more expensive or go away completely.

            So it is social engineering that will lead to more deaths. Because central planning generally backfires.

            But no, it’s not a “star chamber” that sits around and decides who to kill. Don’t take political rhetoric literally in order to create absurd straw man arguments. It is a panel that leads to funding decisions that have a direct impact on who will live and who will die because they’ve taken control over most of the funding that you rightly point out as being crucial in determining medical outcomes.

            And the essential point is that when government takes over sovereignty, you lose freedoms. Some of those freedoms are connected with your ability to pay for lifesaving medicines and treatments. And the sum of this change effects the marketplace negatively and will lead to deaths where formerly people would have been able to live had the government not interfered.

            Yes, these panels will make life and death decisions by inserting themselves in to this market.

          • truebearing

            Death Panels aren’t dramatic. They are real. Rationing health care — the IPAB mandate — is essentially a death sentence for the people that are inevitably, and by design, denied care. This is “situational eugenics,” as only the Left would employ. People will die as a result. Death is death, regardless how remote the mechanism.

          • Cold_Drake_80

            Of course you’re such as sociopath that you don’t care about the preventable deaths that occur under the current insurance regime. You only care about hypothetical deaths because you think it gives you a momentary, political advantage.
            You are one messed up piece of work.

          • Fritz

            Because everyone knows that transgenders are dying in the wings because the evil insurance companies wouldn’t pay for their sex change operations. Or that college girls, are dying from sexual frustration, because someone else wouldn’t pay for them to have “Free” contraception.
            At least under the old private health insurance companies you could appeal if they refused to pay for something, or if you didn’t like their plan you could buy a better one, or go to a competing company.
            With a committee of central planners deciding what treatments get covered, and which do not, you have no appeal. With everyone having the same plan you can’t go out and choose a “Better One”. No they aren’t saying that you personally “John Smith” , need to die to save the system money, it’s even worse then that, someone whom you have never met, and will never know, will decide for your doctor how you will be treated.

            Oh, and before you start rambling incoherently about fear mongering I already have to live under such a system, I live in Canada, if the health bureaucrats decide that they will not pay for treatment your only option left is (A) Go to the U.s (or some other country) and pay for it out of your own pocket. (B) Go political and shame some politicians through the media.

          • truebearing

            Halperin is one of yours. Don’t try to weasel out.

            “You can find someone who will say ANYTHING if you’re willing to throw around enough money or quote mine”

            Uh….sure….whatever that meant. I guess you’re talking about the Left (Obama) throwing around money in an incoherent manner.
            All alternative interpretations of your comment make progressively less sense.

            Sorry if I was too combative or derisive. It is a genetic propensity. We on the Right are expected to fight by Marquise of Queensberry rules, even when imbibing considerable amounts of alcohol. Double handicaps should give you the advantange…but curiously, don’t. No problem for you, though. The Right always figures out a way to turn your idiocy to your advantage.

            Have a wonderful Thanksgiving, even if you don’t believe in the national holiday, and think white people should be exterminated (for pseudo-moral and moronic environmental reasons). We don’t agree with your insane perspective, but we also don’t believe that our own ideas should be the basis for any kind of action — radical! — or include consequences.

            You are safe in your considerable stupidity….for now.

          • Cold_Drake_80

            Ah, the bigot’s mind on full display. The same bigoted thinking that allows FPMers to delude themselves into believing they are empowered to say who is and isn’t in a group.

            As for this:

            “”You can find someone who will say ANYTHING if you’re willing to throw around enough money or quote mine”

            Uh….sure….whatever that meant. I guess you’re talking about the
            Left (Obama) throwing around money in an incoherent manner.
            All alternative interpretations of your comment make progressively less sense.”

            You’re failure to comprehend what I wrote is your personal defect. Deal with it on your own time. Granted it comes as no surprise since you’re so rock stupid you can’t even distguish Obama’s centrism from the left. Never mind you think he IS the left.
            I really shouldn’t be that surprised. You are so mentally unstable that you end your post with a (death?) threat. It would seem you are carrying on the FPM tradition of the first resort being to violence.
            Have a nice day psycho.

      • YankInSlough

        Look, “death panels” have been around ever since we became able to do kidney transplants. All it means is, that in a situation of scarce resources where there is no free market to allocate those resources (we’re talking kidneys, hearts, lungs, etc.), a command mechanism will get set up to do the job of deciding who gets what, in what order.

        Panels of doctors have been choosing candidates for heart transplants ever since we could do them: they assign priorities to the sickest patients who will benefit the most. Since there are not enough hearts or kidneys to go around, some folks are going to die. Hence the term “death panel”.

        This concept has been extended in states like Oregon where there are limited Medicaid funds. Certain rare, expensive procedures are allocated to people chosen by a panel.

        Instead of spewing insults at each other, could we have a rational discussion?

  • camp7

    Obama is a curse, a plague, the scourge of society who will never interrupt the good will and reverent attitude of Thanksgiving day. He falsifies every thing we’re thankful for. He is not only the enemy of good will, he is the breeder of lies. He is evil incarnate.

    I will not allow that sub-spirit to violate my family’s value of thanksgiving. Satan, get behind me, I have thanks to give for the true blessings I receive.

  • cedars rebellion

    Geezer that aren’t in the home, ie., all my friends, know more about health care, Medicare and the ABCDEF gov alphabet of national health care then anyone that works in the WH.

  • tanstaafl

    Swell. On Turkey Day, let’s talk about the turkey that is ObamaCare.

  • Lanna

    Obama and his clan of communists and Islamists have never been happy, they live in a world of darkness, which by the way will be coming to them as their inheritance, people will still give Thanks for the Good things in life, something that bankrupt evil people will never experience. A lot of people are helping other have a Thanksgiving meal today, who have been through storms or rough times, the spirit of love and compassion stays with Americans on this Thanksgiving Day!

  • arishsahani

    Soon only EID will be celebrated in Washington all others not allowed,period.

  • iluvisrael

    It’s obamacare that’s the real turkey in the room.

  • cecil91

    Excellent article.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      thank you

  • Ann Darton

    I sure will be talking about Obamacare. You see I care about people who have no affordable health insurance. Some of them are in my family and you dog gone right I will ask them to check Obamacare out. On the website, on the phone, in peron, whatever. Of course I could ask them them to check out the Republicans plan if I knew what it was.

    • Eddy J. Secco

      You just can’t fix stupid. If you tried a stunt like that in my home, you would find your ass out on the street.

    • John E Coleman

      Dear Ann,
      You sure make a point ! How long did it take you to read the Obama Care Law ??
      My guess you haven’t the faintest idea what it says !!
      Go ahead , Make my day and quote a few lines on page 136 !
      I am sure you have the complete copy in your Bathroom by your Toilet !
      Right ?? because that is where I try to keep all of Obamas shet !!

    • Daniel Greenfield

      The Republican plan is you get to buy affordable insurance.

      The ObamaCare plan is to force you to buy insurance you can’t afford

      • nobody

        I am one of those who is losing individual insurance over the next 11 months or so amidst an ongoing illness — really, the policy is gone and this is just an extension to secure Democrats and their tyranny. It has become harder and harder to get the diagnostic procedures I need. Also, my premium has gone up significantly as I wade through a politically intimidated medical establishment. I have various names for Democrats and they all reflect their totalitarian nature that only answers to Party. Yes, I think of them as Utopians, but then I think that is too kind. Statists, Communists, Fascists, Islamo-Nazis all seem to apply in varying degrees and the last to me is most obvious. The only consolation I have is some of this suffering will come to bite them too. But that does not really help me as an individual. That is the point. My freedom has been assaulted and negated to a great extent.

    • ziggy zoggy

      Wow. A troll straight from the Obama website.

      How insane is it that an uncharismatic omega male like Obama has a website and sycophants?

    • Drakken

      That is what I really love about you liberals/progressives, all about feelings and not a bloody fact to be found, you useful idiots are a bane upon our Republic.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “I sure will be talking about Obamacare. You see I care about people who have no affordable health insurance.”

      I care too. But I’m not an idiot.

      “Some of them are in my family and you dog gone right I will ask them to check Obamacare out. On the website, on the phone, in peron, whatever. Of course I could ask them them to check out the Republicans plan if I knew what it was.”

      Apparently you are.

    • Fritz

      If you care about your family having affordable health insurance then why are you in favor of the ACA/Obamacare? I guess you missed the memo, you aren’t supposed to refer to the ACA as Obamacare anymore because that has negative connotations.

  • physicsnut

    QUOTE
    AlterNet / By Robert Jensen

    No Thanks to Thanksgiving
    November 27, 2013

    One indication of moral progress in the United States would be the replacement of Thanksgiving Day and its self-indulgent family feasting with a National Day of Atonement accompanied by a self-reflective collective fasting.

    Not only is the thought of such a change in this white-supremacist holiday impossible to imagine, but the very mention of the idea sends most Americans into apoplectic fits — which speaks volumes about our historical hypocrisy and its relation to the contemporary politics of empire in the United States.
    END QUOTE

    oh dear – a white supremacist holiday.
    Some folks like to deep fry a turkey, boiled in oil. But
    I always thought these AlterNet clowns were turkeys anyway. It would be fitting.
    They can do some ‘self-reflective collective fasting’, while they are boiling away.
    It is much more exciting if they are frozen first !

    • John E Coleman

      Holidays ? with all the Minority Holidays { 10 } at least !
      Now we have ” BLACK FRIDAY ”
      How about ‘White Xmas ” ?? I bet that will PISS OFF a lot of Liberals on welfare, Food Stamps and the career unemployed Scum bags !

    • El Desdichado

      Actually I agree with the what they say about national atonement and fasting – it’s only the “self-reflective” part that sounds leftish.

      Abraham Lincoln called for such days, I believe (?)

      We need something more than self-indulgent family feasting followed by spending frenzy – we need Divine Intervention…

      may God have mercy on the U.S.

    • Drakken

      Well I say we deport these ingrates to a 3rdworld shi*hole of their choice, then let them scream and whine about how whitey is bad then.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      Our culture is superior. If they see that as “white supremacy” it seems like they are the racists.

  • Biff_Maliboo

    Time to hide the good silver.

  • DontMessWithAmerica

    The irony here is that Obamacare is really one of his lesser crimes but it will be the one to do him in. America largely ignored his treasonous efforts on behalf of Islam and their Jihad. Americans said little about Fast and Furious and Solyndra and even Benghazi or his support for the Muslim Brotherhood which finds the Egyptians bringing Obama before the World Court with criminal charges. Americans shrugged as he outspent every president in American history and pushed the economy toward bankruptcy because these are things over the heads of most self-centered voters. It took Obamacare, which hits everyone in their pocketbook and robs them of their doctors, to wake up America. So be it. Get the S.O.B. on the healthcare fiasco as we got Al Capone on tax evasion instead of on all his murders.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “The irony here is that Obamacare is really one of his lesser crimes but it will be the one to do him in.”

      In terms of violating the law, it’s merely a massive Ponzi scheme. It’s not blatantly treasonous…but it is without question the thing he’s done that has the most potential to cause lasting harm. A single POTUS change can fix most foreign policy mistakes. Once you create a massive wealth redistribution scheme or other social justice policy (look at Affirmative Action) it will only grow no matter how much blatant harm it does. They’ll always make their arguments based on alleged victims. You can’t get justice today without having a compelling victim narrative. It’s not just about evidence once you’ve left local jurisdictions.

      • DontMessWithAmerica

        I have to partly agree with you. Many schemes set up for good reason go wrong but can be changed. I’ve now caught up with more recent comments above and the childish bickering by the likes of the idiot, Cold Drake 80. I’ve lived under the Canadian socialized medical system. In fact I may be on the No-Fly list because I wrote to Obama on the Obama-launched site he had put up to sell his scheme, “If you plan to foist on Americans a Canadian type health care system you should be shot.”

        The fact is that these systems are compelled to incorporate a type of death squad. A number of procedures become unavailable after you reach a certain age. It’s simple economics. Why spend a hundred thousand on an individual who is bound to die of natural causes in another year or two?

        A friend of mine in Toronto with prostate cancer was sent home by Canada’s top cancer hospital with the comment, there is nothing more we can do for you.” They literally sent him home to die. His daughter in California arranged for him to see a top specialist in L.A., it cost him $100,000 but they saved him.

        But the death squad concept is not exclusive to socialized medicine. Hospitals and cynical doctors are well aware that lawyers will dissuade patients or survivors of deceased patients from suing because court costs might easily exceed any award given. They’ll bust their balls to save the young because that could become costly.

        The basic problem with a system that seeks to serve everyone while only a few can really afford to pay is that overall medical care quality diminishes, shortages are created among physicians, health care workers, on and on. Austria had once the reputation of having the greatest medical care and folks from around the world ran to Austria for help. Then they socialized their system and it went down and England became the place to go for quality medical help. Then England socialized and America became tops for medical care. Now America’s health care will join the others. That’s how Communism works. It feels it is unfair to have rich and poor. So it makes EVERYBODY poor.

        It was better when there were only patients and doctors and when patients couldn’t afford to pay, many doctors helped them for free. There were no HMO, no politicians, no civil servants, no hate-filled Marxists or their counterparts on the right.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “The fact is that these systems are compelled to incorporate a type of death squad. A number of procedures become unavailable after you reach a certain age. It’s simple economics. Why spend a hundred thousand on an individual who is bound to die of natural causes in another year or two?”

          The key point is that when you are sovereign over your own financial decisions, you are sovereign over medical decisions. If you fail to come up with the money for your healthcare, you can’t blame the government…unless they’ve been tapping your wallet for years to underwrite nonessential services for others who can’t or won’t work to pay for their own. The more the government interferes, the more they deny your right to work hard and become successful in order to enhance your own quality of life. Including your ability to keep it going.

          Under these social justice schemes, they steal from hardworking people and give it to others who then have less incentive to work hard.

          There is nothing wrong having safety nets and charitable programs that are not based on coercion and deception. But POTUS telling the nation that Obamacare is about “rights” is totally unhinged socialism. It’s just that he can’t get away with more under the circumstances and may not even get away with this scam.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “A friend of mine in Toronto with prostate cancer was sent home by Canada’s top cancer hospital with the comment, there is nothing more we can do for you.” They literally sent him home to die. His daughter in California arranged for him to see a top specialist in L.A., it cost him $100,000 but they saved him.”

          That’s another key point: Other socialist countries depend on the USA to have a last resort place to go for free market innovations. Where will Americans go when that culture has been destroyed by socialized medicine?

          • Fritz

            They will probably have to go to India, Mexico, or even Thailand, just like the less well off Canadians do when they can’t afford a U.S hospital. Ironically many in Canada are starting to push back, one of the absurd regulations was that Canadians were not permitted to pay for medical services that the public system provides.
            However it has already been ruled unconstitutional, at least in the province of Quebec, because so called insurance coverage, and a number on a waiting list, is not the same thing as treatment. Now someone is challenging the government monopoly in Alberta because they had to either wait in line for a year, while their condition deteriorated until it became untreatable, or go to the U.S and pay $35K and have it fixed right away. The party involved is not trying to recoup the $35K but they are trying to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
            The phoney argument was that if there is a parallel private for profit
            system that this would drain away doctors and nurses from the state run
            system. Strange how in countries like German and France this has never
            been an issue.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “The phoney argument was that if there is a parallel private for profit
            system that this would drain away doctors and nurses from the state run
            system.”

            It’s the standard reply to failed socialist policies: More socialism (governmental control) is needed. That’s in the communist playbook for “democratic socialists” and anyone with the same or similar agendas.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “The basic problem with a system that seeks to serve everyone while only a few can really afford to pay is that overall medical care quality diminishes, shortages are created among physicians, health care workers, on and on.”

          I understand that in theory investing in early preventative care could lead to lower costs. That is NOT how Obamacare is designed, and even if there are some provisions like that, the major flaws destroy the overall efficacy. If they had a “win win” policy idea they should have tried that instead of this all or nothing, let’s destroy the system to save the system mentality.

  • carpe diem 36

    michelle’s trying to push obamacare is worse than beating a dead horse. she cannot push something so dead that even the president moved it out of the way for at least a year. she should stick to fashion, even though she has no idea of what constitute “beautiful” , especially when it comes to clothes.

  • Phil

    We’ll be talking about you and Democrats Bao. How we have to send your Party the way of the Whigs,Torries and Bull Moose. How we have to Cleanse the Republican party from the establishment Ho’s and how we need a President that will executive order all the unconstitutional usurpations of the past. Null and Void,
    We’ll be talking about your Common Core .E.P.A. how the MSM is now State run media. How you are sucking the life blood out of our middles class. How you are a serial LIAR. How Orwellian your administration and party are. How you use the I.R.S. to terrorize and silence POLITICAL SPEECH!
    How we hate you more than fear you. We’ll be talking. How anyone that defends you at the dinner table will end up with a fork in their head.
    How our “Crazy Uncle” has been right all these years. He will now be looked on as a Seer for being the canary in the coal mine all these years and not giving in.

  • El Desdichado

    It is the DUTY of progressives to call out Thanksgiving for what it is and condemn it as a genocidal holiday commemorating European colonialism.
    Now pass me that cranberry sauce.

    http://connecthook.wordpress.com/2013/11/28/thank-diversity/

    • Drakken

      If it wasn’t for the Europeans you liberal/progressive re-educated dolt, you would still be stuck in the dark ages.

    • tagalog

      A genocidal holiday? Tell it to the 90 Wampanoag Indians who showed up at the first Thanksgiving celebration and were invited to partake of the food.

  • mtnhikerdude

    Instead of a “D” after their names ,the Demoncrats should replace it with a Swastika . They are the real Hitlers.
    We are doomed as a Nation.

  • http://www.shugartmedia.com/ Chris Shugart

    We can at least give Obama credit for one thing. He’s created America’s first Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda. I would have considered this over the top paranoia a few years ago. But now it’s much more clear that the current administration, and all of its allies seek to supervise and regulate our culture. In the words of Joseph Goebbels, “It seems you cannot have a good government without good propaganda. . .”

  • laura r

    i thought the pilgrims sat down together w/the indians? who cares anyway, today i am eatting steak.

  • Chris Behme

    Tell your progressive guests that their turkey dinners were donated to a local food bank. Then ignore them as the rest of your family chow down amid a lively discussion about how bad obamacare stinks.

  • Anamah

    I really can’t find anything he didn’t.
    By the way; Happy Thanksgiving Daniel!

  • Sharps Rifle

    It’s called communism. This is what the morons, traitors and other bottom feeders who sent Hussein back into power last year have inflicted on us. The Soviet Union wasn’t as bad as what this bunch is…these are the brainwashed, brain dead TRUE BELIEVERS who made China such a hell-hole during the Great Leap Forward and the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution…the Mao-bots in the Red Guard who carried their little red books…the propagandists in North Korea who depict and have depicted Kim Il-Sung, Kim Jong-Il and Kim Jong-Un as being virtual gods on Earth (odd for an officially atheist ideology, but the same was done regarding Mussolini, Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Khrushchev, Castro, Ortega and Ho…all socialist dictators need to be shown as all-powerful and godlike)…Can’t happen here, you say? It has. Enabled by a propaganda media which has been hard left since Walter Cronkite lied about the American victory against theTet Offensive, a public school system which has been dumbed-down to uselessness since Carter’s power grab in 1979, and by a “gimme” culture imposed by Johnson in the 1960′s…seeds planted in the New Deal in 1933, and ground plowed for totalitarianism by Woodrow Wilson and the Creel Commission in 1917. The time has come for us to celebrate our past good fortune with friends and family, then get ready to fight like hell to remove these Marxist thugs from power, and bring them to account for their actions…as well as bring to account those who imposed them on us. Bring to account with extreme prejudice.

  • Anukem Jihadi

    “Those who would repeat the past must control the teaching of history”

  • cacslewisfan

    Liberalism is the new Amway. When I was little I heard my parents talk about couples who joined Amway and how they couldn’t be around them anymore because the couple wouldn’t stop trying to get them to join Amway. It was the bane of the 70′s because you never knew where the Amway ambush would strike, but there was a good chance if you were at a party, an Amway cultist, er, representative would be there. What’s next for these Liberal salespeople? Timeshares?

    • Chris Behme

      And obomunism is a massive Ponzi scheme just like Amway.
      And obots are just as zealous, but nastier.

      • cacslewisfan

        Heh. “Obomunism.” I hadn’t heard that one yet.

    • Fritz

      Amway is still very much around, believe me, nobody that I ever knew who got involved in Amway or any other multi level marketing scheme made a dime off of it. The least you can say about the MLM schemes is at least they do in fact sell real products, the part that is a lie is that you can get rich off of doing so. Timeshares are much more of a scam, at least with a MLM you can pull out, you are not hooked onto some sort of long term obligation on a useless property. Even with those you can make a decision not to get involved and it doesn’t effect your life one way or the other, which is far different from the central planners in effect taking over 1/6 of the U.S economy.

  • Fritz Kohlhaas

    These leftist, liberals. progressives or whatever they call themselves are the most
    ignorant followers of a wannabe dictator. No free speech. Only their so-called
    “political correctness” prevails. Obama is a real nasty piece of work.
    Impeach him!!!

  • Jeff Ludwig

    Another great article by Mr. Greenfield. By the way, we had a “normal” Thanksgiving sans Obamacare.

  • Ellman48

    “Progressives have already tried to ruin Thanksgiving by condemning it as
    a genocidal holiday commemorating European colonialism or by giving
    snippy little speeches about consumerism.”

    Nothing more needs to be said about why Progressives are a divisive force in this country. In fact divisiveness and antagonism are their goals. Like Lenin, Stalin and Mao, they want to polarize what they referred to a “classes”: peasants against landowners, workers against entrepreneurs and capitalists, non-thinkers against intellectuals, etc. Thanksgiving is a “genocidal holiday commemorating European colonialism”? That there are people who actually believe this absurd idea is both astonishing and frightening. They possess what Paul of Tarsus referred to as “reprobate minds”! He certainly understood what a reprobate mind is, having possessed one himself before Jesus showed him the Light.

  • Ellman48

    “ObamaCare’s target population is the young. The debate prep is really
    about convincing them not to question ObamaCare by injecting a bunch of
    talking points directly into their brains and reinforcing their contempt
    for everyone who disagrees as a bunch of ignorant racist old people who
    don’t know nearly as much about health care as the guy who didn’t know
    that his entire health care plan was a turkey.”

    What other administration has ever suggested adopting its talking points about any subject into Thanksgiving day celebrations and conversations? Answer: NONE! Unable to abolish Thanksgiving at this point the Left would be happy just to control the dialogues occurring around the tables where turkey is being served. They consider Thanksgiving and Christmas as racist, colonialist and exclusionary holidays which must eventually be abolished. One has to wonder, what will Michelle advise about celebrating Christmas around the dinner table. Maybe by then Iran will have launched a nuclear attack on Israel or the reverse? Actually, she might still be encouraging people to defend, advocate, support signing up for Obamacare because there is nothing more important until Dec 23, 2013 than selecting a plan! The younger you are the more important it is to sign up even though your benefits may not materialize for decades to come.

  • tagalog

    In the story of the Pilgrims, they (the ones who LOVE “Les Miserables,” about Jean Valjean and the stolen loaf of bread) never forget to remind us that when the starving Pilgrims first landed on Cape Cod, they stole some corn that the Nauset Indians, who had deserted their village, had left behind. They NEVER seem to get around to telling us that, once the Pilgrims discovered that the Indians considered that corn stolen, they paid the Indians back as soon as they harvested their first crop the next season.

  • YankInSlough

    Look, “death panels” have been around ever since we became able to do kidney transplants. All it means is, that in a situation of scarce resources where there is no free market to allocate those resources (we’re talking kidneys, hearts, lungs, etc.), a command mechanism will get set up to do the job of deciding who gets what, in what order.

    Panels of doctors have been choosing candidates for heart transplants ever since we could do them: they assign priorities to the sickest patients who will benefit the most. Since there are not enough hearts or kidneys to go around, some folks are going to die. Hence the term “death panel”.

    This concept has been extended in states like Oregon where there are limited Medicaid funds. Certain rare, expensive procedures are allocated to people chosen by a panel.

    Instead of spewing insults at each other, could we have a rational discussion?

  • Cold_Drake_80

    The “death panel” debate drummed up by the right has nothing to do with what you are talking about. It was a talking point pushed by some corporate schills who didn’t want to see any reforms made at all.
    What you’re talking about was never really part of the “death panel” debate. You’re talking about reality while these yahoos are yammering on about how much they hate a piece of legislation.

  • YankInSlough

    I’m afraid you’re wrong and have fallen victim to a selective reading of history. The initial concerns about “death panels” were brought up years ago by principled, intelligent conservatives who were rightly concerned by the hubris of those who advocated an enlarged role for government in the management of healthcare.

    Given that healthcare and its delivery are incredibly complex, they worried that centralized governmental structures were incapable of managing these complexities.

    They were also concerned that there was a rapidly increasing backing away from traditional morality regarding abortion and end-of-life issues and a move towards a utilitarian “pull-the-plug” attitude.

    The convergence of these two trends fed a growing, and I think, justified concern, that ideologically-driven government appointees would increasingly gain power over the committees which allocated scarce resources.

    As the dysfunction in the healthcare system caused by government overreach increased, and the population aged, there was a legitimate concern that an out-of-touch bureaucracy might gain increased power over life-and-death decisions.

    When this was raised, the left-liberal advocates of big government went ballistic. “How dare they question our motives, our idealism, our integrity!?” They completely avoided the difficult ethical questions being raised and in fact refused to admit that there were any possible ethical questions which might come up as they took over management of healthcare.

    It is this hubris which has led to the present mess.

    By the way, terms like “schills” (sic), “yahoos”, “nothing to do”, add nothing to the debate. We may be facing some very difficult problems as the population ages, and it would be nice to be able to have a rational discussion.

  • YankInSlough

    I’m afraid you’re wrong and have fallen victim to a selective reading of history. The initial concerns about “death panels” were brought up years ago by principled, intelligent conservatives who were rightly concerned by the hubris of those who advocated an enlarged role for government in the management of healthcare.

    Given that healthcare and its delivery are incredibly complex, they worried that centralized governmental structures were incapable of managing these complexities.

    They were also concerned that there was a rapidly increasing backing away from traditional morality regarding abortion and end-of-life issues and a move towards a utilitarian “pull-the-plug” attitude.

    The convergence of these two trends fed a growing, and I think, justified concern, that ideologically-driven government appointees would increasingly gain power over the committees which allocated scarce resources.

    As the dysfunction in the healthcare system caused by government overreach increased, and the population aged, there was a legitimate concern that an out-of-touch bureaucracy might gain increased power over life-and-death decisions.

    When this was raised, the left-liberal advocates of big government went ballistic. “How dare they question our motives, our idealism, our integrity!?” They completely avoided the difficult ethical questions being raised and in fact refused to admit that there were any possible ethical questions which might come up as they took over management of healthcare.

    It is this hubris which has led to the present mess.

    By the way, terms like “schills” (sic), “yahoos”, “nothing to do”, add nothing to the debate. We may be facing some very difficult problems as the population ages, and it would be nice to be able to have a rational discussion.