The UK Confronts Islamism


klA century ago the murder of a British soldier in broad daylight in London would have been an act of war. In this post-imperial and post-everything age, an atrocity leads to a task force which produces a report which is then filed in a desk drawer by the undersecretary for something or other.

Like clockwork, the murder of Lee Rigby led to a task force and to a report. The report is 7 pages long. It’s possible to read it in much less than the twenty minutes that it took London police to respond to the murder in progress. You could even get through it a few times in real time while a Muslim convert who describes himself as a soldier of Allah saws away at a fallen Englishman’s head with no one to stop him.

There is a thing that organizations say when they know that they are hip deep in a crisis. They say that “we are taking this seriously.”

The report, “Tackling Extremism in the UK” certainly takes matters seriously. The evidence of that is not so much in the report, as in the task force which included the Prime Minister, the Deputy Prime Minister, four Secretaries of State, three Ministers, one Chancellor, one Lord Chancellor and a partridge in a pear tree.

Like so many of the more “serious” and “sincere” efforts at tackling the biggest threat to civilization in the twenty-first century, the report mixes occasional good ideas with politically correct absurdities. It starts off by equating Islamophobia with Al Qaeda and rolls out a plan to fight back against Islamism.

“As the greatest risk to our security comes from Al Qa’ida and like-minded groups, and terrorist ideologies draw on and make use of extremist ideas, we believe it is also necessary to define the ideology of Islamist extremism,” the report states. And then it goes on to carefully avoid defining it except to contend that, whatever it is; it is not Islam.

“This is a distinct ideology which should not be confused with traditional religious practice. It is an ideology which is based on a distorted interpretation of Islam, which betrays Islam’s peaceful principles, and draws on the teachings of the likes of Sayyid Qutb.”

The mention of Sayyid Qutb is startling considering that the UK seemed to be pretending that the Muslim Brotherhood was a “moderate” group. Say what you will about Cameron, but I don’t see Obama chairing a task force that would produce a report denouncing the Muslim Brotherhood’s evil genius.

But Qutb’s mention feels like a random aberration thrown in by someone a little too knowing. Beyond that the only further definition of Islamist extremism is that, “they seek to impose a global Islamic state governed by their interpretation of Shari’ah as state law, rejecting liberal values such as democracy, the rule of law and equality.”

In other words, Islamists are seeking to impose Islam on everyone. But then they aren’t a distorted interpretation of Islam. Islamism is simply the organized political implementation of Islam in the same way that Nazism was the implementation of National Socialism and Marxism is the attempted implementation of Karl Marx’s ideas.

Apologists can argue that Marxism distorts Marx and that Islamism distorts Islam, but those remain unconvincing defenses. Implementing a set of ideas always distorts them, but realizing ideas is the only truly objective way to assess their merit by seeing their consequences.

What the report is clumsily getting at is the idea that Islam is legitimate in private practice, but not in public imposition. It’s Islam when a Muslim goes to a mosque or avoids alcohol, but Islamism when he harasses barflies or chops off heads under the dictates of Islamic law. Unfortunately this distinction has no meaning in Islam which was never rewired to function as a private religion in a secular state.

America dealt with the clash between religion and tolerance by separating church and state allowing churches to retain their full doctrine while secularizing the machinery of the state.  Europe dealt with it by secularizing and liberalizing national churches to such a degree that they no longer had any religious content that anyone could object to.

Islam was absent from Europe when this rewiring took place. Unlike its Christian and Jewish antagonists, it hasn’t been liberalized or secularized. And it insists on being a public religion because theocracy is what it was built to do. Islam was not the religion of the oppressed. It was the religion of the oppressors. It equates morality with authority. If it doesn’t control the public square, then it has no function.

To Europeans, the infringement of religious values on public life is considered extremism. More so than blowing up buses. But Islam is dedicated to doing exactly that. It is an unreconstructed theocracy.

The Extremism report talks around these basic facts.  The solution of all the extremism projects is to combat Islamic theocracy by having governments distinguish “good Islam” from “bad Islam”. It’s a silly and awkward solution because it creates a government religion in the name of combating a government religion.

The difference, as in countries like Egypt or Russia, is that it’s supposed to end with government riding herd on religion instead of the other way around. But it’s not likely that the UK will have the stomach for the confrontation and repression that Egypt or Russia carry off with a shrug. And so Islam will ride it.

When Western governments talk about countering extremism, they mean picking and choosing between the obvious Islamists who march around with “Sharia for the UK” banners and the slightly more subtle followers of Qutb who promise to fight extremism with their moderate front groups.

True to form, the UK report tries to fight Islam with more Islam. It rightly calls for more thorough inspections of religious schools and urges universities to choose their speakers more wisely, but then it throws in proposals to equip every university and prison with more Muslim chaplains.

It never asks why, if Saudi-trained Imams are the solution to extremism, Saudi Arabia, which has more Imams per square metre than even Tower Hamlets, also turns out more Muslim terrorists than even Tower Hamlets.

Nowhere on earth has an increase in the number of Imams led to a decrease in theocratic violence. It’s like trying to slow down left-wing violence by importing more Communist agitators. It can’t ever work.

In totalitarian movements, the difference between the moderates and extremists lies only in the paths that they take to the same final goal. The radicals want action now. The moderates are willing to wait until the demographics are firmly on their side. The radicals want to blow up buses. The moderates want to expand immigration numbers. And both totalitarian paths ultimately lead to Londonistan.

Both the moderates and the extremists are Islamists. They both want an Islam that is a public religion. And that is not only a public religion, but the public religion.

It is not only the extremism of means by those who wish to make Islam into the religion of the state rapidly and violently that ought to concern Cameron; but it is also the extremism of ends that is Islam regardless of whether its rule is achieved by the bomb or the ballot box that ought to worry him.

The unlicensed beheaders are the short term threat. But the long term threat is a Britain in which the beheaders are licensed by the state.

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  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    All people of good will should Boycott, Sanction and Divest from the “UK” until the time, if ever, the “UK” decides NOT to submit to aggressive, apartheid, mysoginistic, homophobic, anti-semitic, fascist Islamofascism.

    The “UK” must reject all forms of Socialism such as groups that call them selves “anti-fascist”, but in fact support Islamofascism.

  • truebearing

    Great analysis.

    “It is not only the extremism of means by those who wish to make Islam into the religion of the state rapidly and violently that ought to concern Cameron; but it is also the extremism of ends that is Islam regardless of whether its rule is achieved by the bomb or the ballot box that ought to worry him.”

    This is the crux of the matter. Islam teaches that the end is world domination and that the end justifies any means necessary to get there. It is an evil operating principle that suspends all moral restraint for the ruthless pursuit of an end goal. All Muslims share those beliefs, therefore, all Muslims are engaged in furthering Islam’s ultimate goal. Cameron should be providing moral clarity for his nation, not trying to find something positive about Islam that doesn’t exist.

    • TheOrdinaryMan

      Churchill would have closed the mosques and chased Anjem Choudhary and his troublemakers out of the country. Cameron, however, is worried about “Britain’s standing in the EU.” Something’s stopping our boy David from taking action. Can it be he’s afraid of being called racist?

      • defcon 4

        Or can it be his pockets are being stuffed full of islam0fascist petropounds?

        • randy63ism

          I think you’re on to something. Cameron should be taken to the Tower (not Tower Hamlets) and promptly hanged, drawn, and quartered.

      • Drakken

        Churchill would have hung Choudhary from the Tower of London and kicked out or shot the rest.

        • Johnnie the Jew

          better still to boil him in a vat of pig fat. No virgins would touch him then

      • diana

        No, the London banks have the Saudi, Qatar, et al money and Cameron is afraid that they will withdraw that money and deposit , WHERE?…………..

        • truebearing

          Yes, their economy is fragile and they are afraid to rock the boat. The EU wouldn’t approve and the Muslims own half of the country. I say freeze the assets, or better yet, use them to pay for mass deportation. Then thumb their noses at the EU. They’re better off staying clear of that mess anyway.

          Don’t underestimate the Obama factor in all of this. They know Obama would punish them for getting tough with the Muslims. Obama is the evil lynch pin in the majority of the world’s crises.

      • truebearing

        He might be afraid of being called a racist, or an Islamophobe. He might be afraid of stirring up violence from the terrorist element. He might be afraid for his own life, but if he doesn’t do something to rid Britain of the Muslim occupation, his current fears will be nothing compared to the consequences of doing nothing.

        Maybe Cameron is just paying lip service to the PC good Muslim/bad Muslim false dichotomy and is planning an incremental solution that pretends to only be intended toward the most radical Muslims. The problem with an incremental approach is that he won’t be in power forever and the next prime minister could reverse any gains.

        You’re right about Churchill. He knew evil when he saw it. He would assemble the capable and the willing, devise a plan, and cut off the head of the snake. Deportations would follow.

    • Johnnie the Jew

      Well said and spot on. It’s passive jihad right under our noses and where’s the concern. Cameron should go back and reread Churchill and Ataturk, for that matter, if he can muster it.

  • A Z

    ‘Only the soccer hooligans can save England’ – Michael Savage

    Certainly the MPs cannot.

    • Paul Austin Murphy

      Some soccer fans have indeed tried to save England by doing something about our problems with Islam, mass immigration and the enforced cultural Marxism which is found everywhere. But, such people on their own will not pull it off any major political changes for the better.

      Football often takes up far too much time. Thus we can’t rely only on such fans.

      Yes, I know, Savage’s statement was partly ironic.

      • Drakken

        Just tell the soccer hooligans that the muslims are going to take away their beer and soccer and then let nature take its course, they should have things righted in about 6 weeks.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      When the leadership goes rotten, then, as Orwell wrote, the hope is with the proles.

      • Guest

        The British elite quite literally hate their fellow countrymen. That’s why they imported millions of third worlders. It’s where America is headed sad to say.

        • BS77

          England is on the wane…it is rotten with leftist decay… SO Brits, .how’s that PC multicult mandated diversity immigration agenda working out for you?

          • Guest

            I agree. There is something scarily atheist about the British mindset. Is that what happens to Anglo-Saxons when they lose their empire? I fear for the future of the US. In 20 years will we look like Britain with a morally sick population, increased levels of third worlders, and an atheism hostile to Biblical values. Unfortunately, it is highly possible.
            I mean – both political parties in the UK are disgusting. They are just disgusting. Only the BNP and UKIP resemble anything related to parties that act in British interests

          • Drakken

            Civil war won’t be in 20 years, it is upon us now, just waiting for someone to fire the first shot and then it is off to the Balkans on steroids that will make a Serb blush. It will then spread here in the US as well, we certainly are living in the most interesting of times, only the Chinese meant it as a curse,

          • A Z

            A person does not raise a family to have them in an environment that looks like shooting arcade.

            I know that phrase is a cruse. I only wish we had not squandered the opportunity we had in 1991. But we had Santa clause who like BJs and the peace dividend and the rest is sordid history.

          • Drakken

            Anyway you look at, anyway you cut it and anyway you slice it, it all comes up with a massive amount of bloodshed that is now completely unavoidable and all but inevitable. Prepare yourself.

          • Johnnie the Jew

            God died a long time ago. Sorry. But its BS. The Enlightenment failed to deliver the killer blow against Christianity. Now we;re paying the price with being made to accept that Idiotlam is a religion( on the back of all those christian do gooders and multi faith integrators, blah, blah, boring BS blah who also proclaim that there’s a beardie god somehere) just as important as christianity and with it all the BS privileges and appeasements and muddle headed irrational “THINKING” that beds down with religion. Everyone should realise by now that praying is a complete and utter waste of time. Chanting psalms, reciting and repeating old worn out verses is not thinking. Far from it.
            The Chinese never confused ideas for facts i.e even the most abstract terms are only labels, names for the diversity of things in the world. This world. Not some imaginary sky fairy world / paradise

          • Guest

            Judaism and Christianity are very much alive. Islam is not a religion. More like a totalitarian, supremacist, pagan ideology masquerading as a religion

          • Johnnie the Jew

            Well you say “Judaism and christianity are very much alive”. That’s a bit questionable in Europe esp re christianity. For example in the United Kingdom the most recent Consensus revealed that 36 % of 18 – 34 year olds defined themselves as atheists. Imagine that happening in soggie arabia. Similar stats in other european countries. Mainly northern european and france of course. I believe that this is down to education. Self education in the main. Lets face it if you put atheism on to the same degree as you would be expected to play the christianity card in Britain there would be outraged christians ( a few), ditto Jews and MOST especially the anti life cult muslimes. No brainer . We can’t offend the primitives. And those ultra trendie, progressive leftie, Guardian reading, dhimmi groupies, would never allow it anyway. They’d send rent a mob radical hammerheaded Trotskyites. They’d all side up with the islamists, as always. Peace.

          • Guest

            European Christianity is dead. Not sure how I feel about it. There’s was a mix of paganism and Christianity, so probably pretty good. I wish all Christians were similar to American Evangelicals or Conservative Catholics. But the Europeans have replaced their Christianity with an atheism that is maddening, immoral and sick – and they, and we are much worse off for it. Because they don’t believe in anything, they can’t stand up to the Muhammedans. There are good individuals in Europe, and they vote for the Wilders’ of the world. But the continent is clearly dying. I wish Wilders and Paul Reston very much luck

          • Guest

            It’s not due to education. It’s due to their own failures. In certain respects, they worshiped themselves. When their countries went into decline, they stopped believing in anything. Now they have no sense of morality whatsoever.

            As far as Islam, education and literacy for their women is important for lowering birthrates. SO, I am big time in favor of educating their women. That’s the only do-gooder thing I am happy to do for them.

          • Johnnie the Jew

            I agree totally regarding educating their woman. That should have started in earnest after 9/11. But alas. No, I don’t think we’ve got the time to bring this lot around quickly with only educating their women. Perhaps at least a 10 year lasting, once only administered contraceptive pill to put the brakes on. That’ll at least slow down their cruddy anti culture, anti life, death cult plans for dominating the world.

          • Guest

            I wish we could do that. We need to first start by recognizing that Islam is a death cult masquerading as a religion. And most importantly, we need to block all Muslim immigration into the US and the West. Then we need to work on sending the ones that are already here (a travesty) back.

          • Johnnie the Jew

            Well I couldn’t believe what I heard just now on TV from a white English well spoken, early 30s, convert to idiotlam. He stated that after visiting Porkistan on several occasions and the warm welcome afforded him each time from muslims including invites into their homes for meals, blah, blah that he knew idiotlam was for him. He been feeling this strong urge for some years too apparently, before he visited just another dustbin, failed islamic state. Anyway, he said there’s absolutely nothing in their mumbo jumbo manual that sanctions violence towards innocent people. The “terrorists” that commit such atrocities in the name of islam are really people that have no hope whatsoever, are marginalised – yeah, yeah, and have nothing else in their pitiful lives to look forward to, etc. But, hold on I thought. You have the greatest god on the block to worship.All else is insignificant. As long as you avoid pork, alcohol, decadent western music and values, dogs, scantily clad girls, bikinis and casinos, reading any other book you’ll got your ticket to paradise. Surely, this how there great god works afterall. So, what’s the problem I ask. Ok you’re incurably depressed about it all and decide (as always) that death is a much better proposition. So, why not just throw yourself off a cliff and meet your maker in paradise ? Oh no. These retards insist on blowing themselves up in a public space slaughtering masses just because they decide enough is enough. Us educated and liberated westerners do not choose this method of extinction. We top ourselves quietly without taking dozens out around us. This was the most insane interview with an obviously totally deluded bugwit I’ve ever listened to. Belief in this “god” is tantamount to clinical psychosis. Brain cancer in short ! Thank Buddha it was only 3 minutes long. God what effing god and if there is one, which I don’t believe for a minute, this twat has been created in his image. Spare me please.

          • defcon 4

            I think you’ll find the tyranny of islam, much worse than anything you’ve experienced w/Christianity. For proof of this look up what’s being done to Bangladeshi atheists in the here and now.

          • Johnnie the Jew

            Totally agree. That’s why India has built a 3 metre high barbed wire fence along its border with Bangedupadesh. allegedly to control narcotics smuggling…They’re always calling for atheists and apostates and everyone else for that matter, to be ritually slaughtered. Best shot of whats going down in the same vein is Central West Africa right now.The French are in now to avert another genocide. Proper warped sectarian slaughter. Minority muslimes in full swing and christian militia returning the favour. And of course you’ve got the neighbouring jihadist pissbags pouring in from Chad and other bordering countries as per usual. Africa is the continent to watch. Nigeria case in point if you’ve been following the retards with their totalitarian craphole sharia ambitions there. What next South America ? perish the thought. I know the Iranians are investing down there with a naval base i heard somewhere.. no end to it. Live life like a warrior in the here and now. The only real show in town.

          • Drakken

            If us Christians were smart, and so far it shows we are not, we should be arming up the Christians all over the African continent, but alas the leftarded do gooders would be screaming bloody murder over the persecution of their favored victim group, the muslims.

          • Johnnie the Jew

            I’m with you all the way on this one. I sometimes wonder why the Chinese don’t tool Africa up. The west has deserted the cause with the exception of Mali and now Central West Africa. And watch Angola after their recent admirable announcements on the “cult”. The Arab spring and complete waste of time,France / Britain skirmish in Libya actually has created more problems in its aftermath. The Chinese are heavily invested in Africa and want a big slice of the resources, etc, as you know. Who can give them a quiet nudge I wonder…..

          • Drakken

            I hate to break it to you, but the chins are making major moves in Africa and if any of the native species are in the way, they just eliminate the villages in question, funny how the left never says a bloody word about that, but let some muzaloid get so much as a hang nail and they are screaming bloody murder about it. Oil, gas and pipeline companies are hiring folks like me by the thousands to protect their assets and access, and they don’t give a rip how many natives get eliminated in the process if they are a threat, Libya is a prime example of this and nobody hears a thing. You can thank comrade Obummer for his disengagement policy that is making Africa the new wild west and folks like me rich.

          • Johnnie the Jew

            Yeah, there’s been some interesting strife going down in Angola between Chinese and American gold prospectors. Hard core chins putting in on US prospectors including destroying their sites and equipment and plenty of physical intimidation too, despite the fact the yanks are twice their size! All we need to worry about is that the christians don’t run out of ammo !

        • irishlullaby

          The elite? No, the haters were the Labour party ( party of the lower class, ordinary working man and the unions) and its cohorts who wanted to rub the right’s {elites) noses in it. In a bid to retain permanent power, the party of the working man threw them to the dogs – and then lost power when the workers realised how they had been stiffed. Took three elections and a war before they saw the light.
          Labour actually went shopping for third world immigrants (future Labour voters who would produce suitably large families to support their party in the future) above and beyond those who were allowed to immigrate under the EU convention.
          That was Tony Blair, Jack Straw and Peter Mandelson etc.who have now all fled to sunnier climes to spend their ill gotten gains. All products of the “elite” universities of UK, traitors, all of them.

          • Guest

            I agree with you.

            But from the US, your Conservative Party is almost as pathetic as Labour. I think the UK is the only Anglo country where the main conservative party is sick too. In the US (Well, the right wing), Canada and Australia, there is much more moral clarity and good sense than from the UK

          • irishlullaby

            True (I’m a Kiwi now, actually) . I think Cameron is held to ransom by the amount of Saudi money in UK. If they pulled it out UK would sink so he’s between the devil and the deep blue sea. Plus if he goes hard against the muslims there may be major riots and they have a huge demographic. Lord Ahmed threatened the Govt. before with this when Geert Wilders was supposed to speak at the Lords He said he could drum up a 10,000 muslim march to the Lords – and one knows how that would turn out. Wilders was cancelled (but eventually spoke, very quietly).
            However, I may be totally wrong and it just could be that Cameron et al do not realise what it is like to live at the workface. Hopefully he is not that stupid. Those who speak up are threatened – Tommy Robinson of the EDL bowed to the threat of his wife and children being attacked. There are some not very nice people abiding in the UK now.
            And unlike Canada and Australia they are constrained by the EU Human Rights Act.

          • Drakken

            I am still amazed that the working man didn’t take to the torches and pitchforks after this great betrayal?

      • A Z

        You have given an answer that affirms what Mr Savage has said by referring to a classical source. Anything written by Orwell is a classic.

        I might quote you, Savager and Orwell in the same breath. Think of how much angst among the liberals and then sturm and drang will come your way.

        Although I think you are experiencing the much ire form the left already. Either your servers are crap or you are under much denial of service attacks since Thanksgiving.

        Surely a panicked move by the left that cannot give a reasoned response to the essay appearing on FPM.

      • Johnnie the Jew

        Exactement mon ami. Just look whats happening in France right now. Real big backlash against the degenerate death cult. Check out Barenakedislam website. The tops.

  • Dyer’s Eve

    Great article. How can a nation that stood up to Hitler 70 years ago be so cowed and frightened by the 7th century ravings of a paedophillic madman? Maybe the answer is in the question. Britain is no longer great, thanks to Hitler.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      They’re cowed by any hard decision or problem that threatens their electoral position.

      • Dyer’s Eve

        Churchill wasn’t. He had balls. You can apply cowardice nowadays to every Western politician, Mr Greenfield. They’ll do anything to attain power and do whatever it takes to retain power. No wonder we’re in trouble. So much for leadership.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Winston Churchill was the greatest man of the 20th century.

          • Dyer’s Eve

            He was. And a far better man than Nelson Mandela. I know saying that will send the nazi/soviet alliance into a frenzy.

  • Bamaguje

    The murder of Lee Rigby by an ‘Allahu-Akbar’ ranting Muslim on a London street was not Jihad.
    To use Obama-speak, it was “street place violence.”
    So there’s no need to worry about Islam.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      A man-caused disaster as Big Sis would say.

    • Dyer’s Eve

      I hope someone does a ‘street place violence’ on Obama. I live in hope.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Lee Rigby’s brutal murder was an expression of the anger of Islam for not being respected properly.

  • edlancey

    Another excellent article.

    The thing about the so-called Islamists is that there is an (un)endearing honesty about them. They state their case and then the authorities contort what they say to make it sound less dangerous.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      Yes. If more people listened to them, they would know what’s coming.

    • defcon 4

      The current CAIR representatives in the USA are highly polished liars.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Liars?

        Fool me once – shame on you.

        Fool me a million times – SHAME ON US.

        Thankfully martin batsheer was punted out of BSNBC.

      • irishlullaby

        Aren’t they mostly Muslim brotherhood?

    • Bamaguje

      It’s called DENIALl!!
      The West is unwilling to face the nightmare of one billion potential terrorists called Muslims. So it’s better to pretend the problem doesn’t exist.
      See no Jihad, speak no jihad and may be the problem would just go away.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Yeah. The leftards and CAIRacists always say “it’s a mistranslation”.

      • defcon 4

        I’ve also heard the out-of-context defense of inconveniently antisemitic, violent and xenophobic verses in all the holey books of islam. Yeah, like there’s any context that’s going to make them sound better outside of: “I firmly repudiate the following words…”

    • kikorikid

      Come now Edl, that is PC.
      There is NO “honesty” about them.
      Obama has seen to it that all Muslim Chaplains(Imams)
      are vetted by a head Imam provided by the Muslim Brotherhood
      thru CAIR. Also all Imams provided to the Federal Prison system.
      The prison system is THE primary recruiting place
      for Al-Queada. I get nauseous thinking of what Obama has done.

      • edlancey

        That’s why CAIR et al are referred to in the MSM as “moderates”.

        Anyone who tells the truth about Islam and its nefarious intentions is pigeonholed as an “Islamist”, somehow unrepresentative of the “religion” as a whole.

        Of course, the “moderates” share the outlook of the “Islamists”, it’s only their tactics that vary.

        • kikorikid

          Until MSM’s “moderates” denounce and openly
          reject violent Jihad they are nothing different
          and are simply practicing TAQIYYA.
          Where is the “religion” you refer too?
          Islam is a totalitarian-supremacist ideology
          with a façade of a claim at being a religion.
          They use the façade to erode our Freedom
          under our Bill of Rights. Mohammed was a brigand,
          pedophile, and genocidal murderer.
          Islam is leaving a trail of death no different
          from Communism, Nazism.

          • edlancey

            that’s why I put it in quotes.

          • kikorikid

            OK, works for me. I agree with Drakken, below.

        • Drakken

          Islam no matter the stripe is still islam, best to be rid of it, all of it.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      Not only that, but the authorities, i.e., the PC multicultural police, present them as a tiny minority of extremists perpetrating terrorism here and there in response to Western provocations. When the reality is all Muslims are also jihadists waging violent and non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad (holy war) in the cause of Allah to ultimately make Islam supreme. However, if those authorities were forced to acknowledge that reality, then decades of mass Muslim immigration to the West along with all of its excess baggage would have to be necessarily undone and reversed at the same time the Left and Multiculturalism would be exposed as the farces they are.

  • Elizabeth Cape Cod

    Their ‘tolerance’ will be the death of them.
    At least here in America we’re still allowed to carry guns. If an islamist cretin tries to carve up an American, it’s very likely that someone with a backbone will step in to blast the perpetrator’s head off.

    • NealKaye

      I live in “Commiefornia” and unless you’re a bodyguard for some Hollyweird lib celebrity or retired law enforcement, it’s virtually impossible to get a CCW here.

      • pablo consuelo

        Even the military isn’t safe from these people in the U.S. It’s a nice idea that ‘we’re still allowed to carry’, but Fort Hood still happened right in the middle of the most gun free state in the Union. And where is the Fort Hood shooter?

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Since timothy mcveigh was executed, nidal hassan should be subject to the death penalty AND CARRYING OUT THE SENTENCE.

          • notalibfool

            In the Obamaoist’s mind McVeigh was the mythical Christian terrorist, while Nidal Hassan merely committed “workplace violence.”

          • Softly Bob

            And the irony is that McVeigh was not even a Christian. Just before he was executed, he admitted to being an agnostic.

          • notalibfool

            Yep! The Left’s favorite Christian terrorist wasn’t even a Christian.

          • defcon 4

            It’s somewhat strange there were no problems executing Muhammad Malvo (the Beltway Sniper muslime), but for some reason Hassan doesn’t seem to be getting the punishment he deserves.

      • Elizabeth Cape Cod

        It is celebrities and politicians who have people protecting them that are hellbent on depriving you of that same self protection.

      • Porkys2istan

        1. Off topic

        2. You are right. :)

        I call it ‘Pussyfornia’. No fireworks, 10 round clips (even on .22 plinkers), barely 1 out of 10 handgun models legally purchasable, and impossible to get CCW permits. Only New York is worse.

    • defcon 4

      There are plenty of corrupt US politicians desperately trying to undo that right — as well as parts of the First Amendment.

  • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

    Let me add one more point.

    When Islamism was just a few crazed Taliban blowing up Buddhist states in the hills of Afghanistan or the handful of Muslim Brotherhood members rotting in Egyptian jail, it looked plausible to say that Islamism is an extremist fringe of the Muslim world.

    But when the majority of two of the most important Muslim nations (Egypt and Turkey) vote for an Islamist regime, to say that Islamism isn’t an acceptable bona fide variant of Islam is just silly … and obviously so. They better wake-up in the UK … but fast.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      Most Muslim countries were already run under at least partial Islamic law. Some of the bigger ones were run under the full thing.

      What the Taliban did would have been completely the norm in Saudi Arabia which treats archeology like the enemy.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        I wish people in the US could treat the flag of the “islamic republic of iran” the same way they treat the American flag.

        Namely

        - walk on the fascist iranian flag
        - burn the iranian flag

        I’d add the following insults to the flag of fascist iran

        - run a herd of pigs over the flag a picture of satanic khomeni

        - throw used bras and panties on the iranian flag
        - throw shoes or stones at the picture of satanic khomeni until his face is buried

        Threat islamofascist iran with all the respect they deserve.

        • notalibfool

          I recall back in the 80s someone was selling Ayatollah Khomeini toilet paper dispensers. A perfect way to honor the old fool.

          • randy63ism

            Quranic toilet paper would be better.

          • Drakken

            We used to have ayatollah targets, best way to spend a day at the range with.

      • guest

        Said Arabia and the Taliban treat archeology like the enemy.

        So if China becomes a Muslim country, we can expect the Buddhist carving at Leshan, China to be blown up by Muslims.

        Because that is form the ignorant time ..,. pre-Islamic rule.

        because the Chinese are such STUPID, IGNORANT people

        They only gave use paper, paper money, gunpowder, trebuchet, grain winnowing machines, compartmentalized ships, etc, etc, etc, ad naseum

        • Ken

          China is already partly muslim. It has been for centuries. And yes, theoretically, if China did become fully muslim they quite possibly would blow up the statue. Not because they are stupid but because if they became muslim they’d be brainwashed into believing it was the right thing to do.

        • Drakken

          The chins unlike us, are not afraid to deal with their muslim problem with extreme prejudice. The horrifically amusing thing is, the chins are laughing at us for our cowardice and indecision.

          • defcon 4

            There are muslimes in positions of power in the PRC government — they’re not ughyurs though.

      • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

        Yes, but when they had dictators or royalty, one could delude oneself about the disposition of the masses. With the main Arab nation (Egypt) and the seat of the last Caliphate (Turkey) both clearly showing that Islamism isn’t a minority position but quite acceptable to the majority, the Western phantasy of an Islam (where the martial aspects have atrophied and the government imposed social conservatism is the exception) has been shown to be in the imagination of Western dreamers.

        The precursors, in terms of popular Islamism, was the election of Hamas in Gaza, and the victory of Islamism in Algeria (only to be blocked by the military). This should have been a wake-up call. But even the victory in Egypt and Turkey is clear, very clear.

        • Daniel Greenfield

          Indeed. Though of course governments that the people genuinely reject don’t tend to survive without much more visible repression.

          • defcon 4

            Turkey’s military dictatorship of the past was much better than Erdogan’s decade long rule in the present.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Definitely

        • kikorikid

          Not so fast Jason.
          The Egyption Govt. hung Sayyid Qubt,1966, for treason.
          The ‘Loyal Officers” recently prevented a total takeover
          by the Muslim Brotherhood.
          Last week there was a lethal confrontation
          in the coastal city of Alexandria.
          It is far from over in Egypt and the MB
          will not finish on top.

          • Drakken

            I agree with you, sooner or later the Egyptian military is going to have their own night of the long knives. They should have done it a lot sooner.

    • guest

      The Muslims missed one. but if the Uyghurs or other Muslims get there way sooner or later the Lushan statue will be blown up too.

      What will Richard Gere or other Hollywood Buddhists do?

      • defcon 4

        Which is one reason why the Buddhists of Myanmar are resisting the islam0nazi invasion of their country.

      • randy63ism

        “What will Richard Gere or other Hollywood Buddhists do?” Certainly not what the smart Burmese Buddhists are currently doing.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        I didn’t realize the size until I noticed the people at the feet of the Buddah.

  • Tut Ankh Amon

    The UK have been accommodating and harboring the Muslim Brothers for DECADES so its preposterous to claim the discovery of Sayyid Qutb’s violent theory just now.
    In recent weeks, several MB leaders have escaped Egypt, took refuge in the UK and opened a media office.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      Not to mention France

      • Tut Ankh Amon

        The MB main operating basis are the UK followed by Germany, they are very discrete in France due to the strict French laws separating religion and State.

        • defcon 4

          If French laws are so strict WRT the separation of religion and state then why did Brigitte Bardot get arrested twice for publicly condemning islam?

          • Tut Ankh Amon

            She get arrested for inciting hatred, this law is generic and applies to all situations.

          • notalibfool

            Can you name some people who have been arrested for inciting hatred against Christians in France?

          • defcon 4

            What about all the holey books of islam — you know, the books which have more antisemitic content than Mein Kampf. Obviously, some religious hatred is acceptable in Fwance.

          • mytraintrax

            No it does not, it applies to whom ever the worthless degenerate and corrupt leftist political class of the moment decide it applies to, and for now, the scum of islam are protected game, Christians and Jews are fair game to everyone and anyone with a leftist or islamic fascist ideology and the price for this policy will be Frances downfall as it slowly becomes Francistan, the new Eropa cultural victory of islamism.

          • Johnnie the Jew

            Really a universal law that applies to all situations ? So presumably all those retarded freakwits protesting and holding placards pronouncing death to anyone who insults the camel dung sweeping “prophet”, calling for beheadings and the imposition shitbag sharia law is not “generic” as they don’t get arrested when they hit european streets. I need help here please, pretty please

    • Drakken

      Note to Egyptian Military intelligence, you can find these MB folks at that address, do what needs to be done. and call it a day.

      • defcon 4

        After what happened in Iran when the Ayatollah returned, your proposed course of action against the MB seems judicious.

  • Infidel Task Force

    This has to be one of the absolute best of Greenfields commentaries. We, in the US understand what is happening in the UK better then the British politician. i don’t think waking up the British people is the answer anymore. I think the UK is gone.

    • mytraintrax

      You do realise that the UK cannot be saved, it is a cancerous limb that needs to be severed from civilized society along with the rest of Europe and left to rot in their own islamofascist sewer, we are running out of time fast, the advance of islam is exponential and it will overwhelm us all if we do not confront it very , very strongly with all that we have at our disposal.

      Obamafication of islam will only allow further transfer of nuclear and military ability to these already dangerous nations hell bent on world domination and the death of all of us in their quest to bring about their glorious caliphate

      Please note that I regard civilized society not as the current leftist and politically cowardly ruling class that we have today, but the society that took back Europe and stopped in its tracks the evils of Nazism, the hero’s of the past that new to what lengths they had to go to stop the atrocities heading their way, they that new the ultimate cost to regain and reestablish freedom for everyone would be in blood and pain

  • JERSEY FATMOUTH

    Another gem by Mr. Greenfield. Sadly, the Brits are too engrossed watching their football fixtures to give a hoot.

    • JayTee

      Kinda like the US and our lamestream media, right . . . which fails to object to Obamanation in any form, even if it’s allied with the Muslim Brotherhood?

  • mollysdad

    Seven centuries ago the English would have sent an animal like Michael Adebolajo (baptised and raised as a Christian) to be burned at the stake as an apostate.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Seven centuries ago…

      Today it is islamofascists who actually xecute apostates.

      Why is it that socialists in the uk tolerate behavior from Islamists what which they would NEVER tolerate from Christian extremists???

      • notalibfool

        Remember the liberal’s rule when it comes to Christianity versus Islam: Events from centuries ago “prove” how evil Christians are, but anything done in the name of Islam today is perfectly fine.

  • Texas Patriot

    All eyes should be on the London trial of Michael Adebolajo. My hunch is that lawyer David Gottlieb has the right approach to remove the blinders from David Cameron and the rest of the British intelligentsia. Seen in the clear light of history rather than the fear-colored glasses of British politicians, Sayyid Qutb was not particularly evil or hateful, but rather a devout Muslim reformer who wanted all Muslims worldwide to return to the authentic teachings and life example of Muhammad.

    • defcon 4

      I think Mr. Greenfield once wrote something to the effect that you can’t wake someone who’s pretending to be asleep.

      • Texas Patriot

        If he’s only pretending to be asleep, he’s a criminal. If he’s actually asleep he’s an idiot. It’s either one or the other.

    • kikorikid

      TP, You desperately need to read “Milestones”.
      These writings call for “Global Jihad”. Is that
      NOT “evil or hateful”? Who are you trying
      to blow smoke at? Egypt hung Qubt in 1966,
      for treason, not for being a “devout Muslim reformer”.
      OR you are just another Taqiyya spewing expert AKA Muslim.

      • Texas Patriot

        KKK: “TP, You desperately need to read “Milestones”.These writings call for “Global Jihad”. Is that NOT “evil or hateful”?”

        That’s the whole point. Qutb was a man, a human being, and as such not inherently more evil or more hateful than any other human being. He believed that the ideology of Islam, i.e. the teachings and life example of Muhammad, represented the will of God. Westerners, particularly Christians, do not believe that the ideology of Islam is the will of God, and since no one can verify with scientific certainty whether Christianity or Islam represents the will of God, we will all have to wait until the Last Day to discover the truth. Who knows? Perhaps atheists are right and neither Christianity or Islam represents the will of God. There is simply no scientific certainty to be had on the subject. But to say that a man who is sincerely believes that he is following the will of God is “evil” or “hateful” strikes me as enormously presumptuous. If there is a God, only God can say what is good or evil. As Jesus said:

        “‘Why do you call me good?’ Jesus answered. ‘No one is good—except God alone.’” Luke 18:19.

        http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+18%3A19-21&version=NIV

        Which means, of course, that if only God is good, the rest of us must necessarily be something else.

        • kikorikid

          You are obfuscating the point by throwing
          up theological argument. Don’t! There are
          NO OTHER religious groups murdering,at will,
          any and ALL who do not conform to their
          ideology. PERIOD!

          • Texas Patriot

            kikorikid: “You are obfuscating the point by throwing up theological argument.”

            How can you talk about “good” and “evil” without talking about theology? Only God can say what is good and what is evil.

          • kikorikid

            NOT blowing up innocent people=GOOD
            BLOWING UP innocent people=EVIL
            ISLAMIST blow up innocent people.
            ergo
            ISLAMISM is EVIL.

          • Texas Patriot

            Those are human value judgments that you are making, and they are perfectly reasonable. Qutb’s writings were not based on his own human value judgments. Rather, he was taking at face value the idea that the teachings and life example of Muhammad were the will of God, and all other authentic Islamic radicals who have followed him have had the same view. The kamikaze pilots in WWII had the same idea when they gladly committed suicide for the sake of their religion. We’ll never be able to overcome the threat we face today unless we realize that Islamic radicals are acting on a sincere belief that they are doing the will of God.

        • Drakken

          Islam is evil incarnate period, so frankly I don’t give a rats azz about a muslim of any stripe, they are a clear and present danger to all of us infidels, and when push comes to shove, love me and mine, eff them and theirs, mine will survive and theirs will perish. We infidels have more bullets than they have bodies, we just need the will to do what must be done and call it a day.

  • jtrollla

    England is still blind to Islam’s true nature: a bloody, fabricated cult that has cut-and-pasted a few elements of Judaism and Christianity to give it completely deceptive patina as an “Abrahamic” religion. Islam must ultimately dominate, and dominate completely. Its eschatology requires the annihilation of all non-believers including Christians, Jews, Hindus, and so on.

    • camp7

      bingo

  • Porkys2istan

    The biggest joke will be when he is convicted of all counts and STILL only gets 22 years (15 with good behaviour). While he’s in there he’ll have access to libraries, education, and even internet so he can chat with his muslim buddies across the world.

    I’m not a big fan of the prison industrial system here in America but if there was ever a person who needed the death penalty (or at LEAST life without parole) it’s this killer. The ONLY reason they might not let him out in 15 is to protect HIM from US, like the guy who killed Pim Fortuyn, who is now eligible for release after 12 years.

  • S.L. Rachford’s Ire

    Bottom line in the proverbial sand is will the general Islamic public take steps in mass to control violence. If not, our response well get worse until it is all encompassing. Say “World War”.

    • Drakken

      I think you already know the answer to that question, soon it will be time to unleash that time honored western tradition, and it is coming sooner than anyone thinks.

    • defcon 4

      Your argument is as ludicrous as waiting for the Nazis to renounce antisemitism.

    • kikorikid

      You are delusional to believe the “general Islamic public”
      will EVER do anything of the sort you mentioned.

  • Lanna

    Good article…the UK knows how Islam wants to take over countries and rule…and Islam doesn’t care how they get the job done, lying and deception are part of the advancement.

  • Johnnie the Jew

    Yes, its indeed pretty insane how a book dating from the 630s allegedly dictated to an illiterate camel herdsman, regulates down to the smallest detail the daily lives of more than a billion people in an era of supersonic travel, space conquest, worldwide information networks, the sequencing of the human genome, neclear energy, etc, etc ( paraphrasing Michel Onfray the French atheist philospher) prevails upon us and is lapped up by our blinkered and scared politically correct and duped politicians, is allowed the monstrous consideration and privilege it is given. You might as well be telling me that the KKK and Charles Mansons ” family” are religions and not supremacist death cults. Peace comrades and please excuse the analogy. It’s only fair to emphasise the point.

  • chuckie2u

    It seems the UK has rejected Diety and replaced Diety with their godless brand of religion deemed Secular Humanism. Islam is filling the void and it won’t be long before they eradicate Secular Humanism. At least the Islamist will not conform to the godless UK.

  • dad1927

    Give them %billions and big weapons! Let them build mosques.Refuse to admit their goal is to destroy your civilization and kill. Ignore citizens being beat to death and killed in fear of offending them, That will fix everything.

  • JayTee

    The price of “cheap” labor and “diversity” is never quite as low as people hope–whether in the UK, the US, Europe, Scandinavia, or wherever. People don’t seem to understand that many cultures are not compatible, an that we can’t always mix sewage with our ice cream and still have it taste as good.

  • JayTee

    Muslims down in the sands and wastelands of the Middle East are not a problem. It’s only when we genuflect and bow down to the god of “diversity” that we outfox ourselves, and by importing hoards of them prove once again that all people and all philosophies are NOT compatible and do NOT have the same goals, values, aspirations, and ideals. Sometimes the recipe is that people simply pull their heads out of their posteriors, grow brains, and take a hard look at a thing called “reality.”

  • Learned

    In Indonesia Islam was rewired under the edict of “Pancasila” and achieved relative success until the fall of President Soeharto, which ushered in an age of creeping Islamism.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      It was never wired the same as in the Middle East. I think the jihadis were empowered all over the world for the same reason, technology.

      But you’re right about having a strong leader to hold back those forces. Some times it’s the only answer when enough of the population is told that sharia is the way.

      • Learned

        Some Muslims (such as the founding fathers of Indonesia) have no real interest in establishing a Sharia state. If you have a leader that understands Islam (either Muslim or Non-Muslim) yet he simply wishes to establish a cohesive and progressive state, Islamism would not be a problem.

        President Soekarno wanted everybody (Muslim or not) to unite as a Nation and he achieved relative success.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “President Soekarno wanted everybody (Muslim or not) to unite as a Nation and he achieved relative success.”

          I don’t think there are very many significant lessons for us that we can apply outside of Indonesia.

          Put another way, I don’t think anyone intentionally “rewired” Islam in Indonesia. It’s just that they didn’t reject their ancient cultures when Islam spread. There was no real way to sweep through the islands the way that desert nations were overwhelmed at times. I think it generally happened by converting kings or local leaders, who then sort of adopted it as they understood it.

          I just don’t see any useful lessons that help point to some way of helping Islam to “reform.”

          • Learned

            Objectivefactsmatter I respect your opinion and I am not making an attempt to argue with you, I would however like to clarify my “Rewiring” statement.

            How Islam came to be the dominant religion in Indonesia will never be known as a Fact, simply because the facts have been lost through history.

            What can be known as a Fact is that, at the time President Soekarno called forth the people of Indonesia to unite, they had to make a choice between creating a Sharia state or something more akin to a secular state. The people of Indonesia whom at the time were predominantly Muslims, chose to Reject Sharia Law and elected to enact a ‘Pseudo separation of mosque and state’ under the guise of “Pancasila”.

            “Pancasila” basically, as Daniel so eloquently puts it in the article above, makes Islam legitimate in private practice but Not in public imposition. The Indonesian defense force (who are mainly comprised of Muslims) had a legitimate reason to fight against Sharia imposing radicals because they were upholding “Pancasila”

            All this engineering by the Indonesian forefathers equals ‘Rewiring’ of Islam in my opinion. Other people of-course have the right to their own opinions.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “How Islam came to be the dominant religion in Indonesia will never be known as a Fact, simply because the facts have been lost through history.”

            You’re absolutely right about that. I haven’t had a lot of luck trying to probe further.

            “All this engineering by the Indonesian forefathers equals ‘Rewiring’ of Islam in my opinion. Other people of-course have the right to their own opinions.”

            It’s totally legitimate statement, my comment is motivated by the belief that I just don’t see any way we can learn lessons from Indonesia’s relative success as a way of having “progress” in other “multicultural” societies. They still pay a price today for tolerating sharia values, like allowing “the community” to decide on many issues without any need to justify say, denying a permit for a church to exist.

            What they’ve accomplished is admirable. Without question. It’s just that I don’t see any of this as portable. Maybe there are more lessons. But I don’t see any portable ones yet.

        • Johnnie the Jew

          Try telling that to the catholics of east timor who were being systematically slaughtered under that cock Suhartos regime of islamist headcases, all trained and quietly sponsored by the US under that dhimmi dickhead Clinton. Who, incidentally, is on record as describing that turdwipe Suharto as ” my kind of guy”. Get the feeling we’ve been there before and are again with the current dhimmi in the big house

  • Ellman48

    Islam, Islamism, Jihadism, Sufism, Wahabism: such various images of the religion founded by someone called Mohammed so long ago. How do we make clear distinctions between them? How do we determine which of these is a threat to our peace and well-being and which are innocuous manifestations of the ‘religion of peace’? The answer for the governments which are supposed to protect our lives is simple: ask the Muslims to help us make the necessary distinctions! Brilliant! Why couldn’t I think of that?

    • Texas Patriot

      E48: “Islam, Islamism, Jihadism, Sufism, Wahabism: such various images of the religion founded by someone called Mohammed so long ago. How do we make clear distinctions between them?”

      We don’t need to make those distinctions. The source documents of Islam speak for themselves. If any of those groups reject or renounce the teachings or life example of Muhammad, let them say so.

    • Drakken

      Islam is islam no matter what the bloody stripe and where ever islam goes, the blood always flows, without exception. So all of islam has go to go period, no exceptions.

  • William F

    The Federal Government has failed miserably in their obligation to the American people. Their only responsible to the American people as established by the founding fathers is to regulate commerce between the states and secure the country from hostile forces. What we are seeing here is a legal invasion of these forces through immigration policy. They have opened the flood gates and invited the enemy in. This is a hostile invasion of the worst kind and a shot is not even fired. People of the United States; your country has betrayed you!

    • Texas Patriot

      There’s no question about that, and both political parties are responsible.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    And then it goes on to carefully avoid defining it except to contend that, whatever it is; it is not Islam.

    None of those loons have the first clue what Islam is or isn’t.

    It is an ideology which is based on a distorted interpretation of Islam, which betrays Islam’s peaceful principles,

    A distorted interpretation of Islam? According to whom? The House of Saud and the Muslim Brotherhood?

    “they seek to impose a global Islamic state governed by their interpretation of Shari’ah as state law, rejecting liberal values such as democracy, the rule of law and equality.”

    Indeed, that is the sole fundamental purpose of mainstream orthodox Islam as opposed to fantasy based Islam, which is a myth created by the political correct multicultural left, i.e., them.

    It’s Islam when a Muslim goes to a mosque or avoids alcohol, but Islamism when he harasses barflies or chops off heads under the dictates of Islamic law. Unfortunately this distinction has no meaning in Islam which was never rewired to function as a private religion in a secular state.

    In other words, mainstream orthodox Islam is really a very rabid form of totalitarianism masquerading as being a religion, as it seeks to render all religions and all infidels into Islamic totalitarianism through both violent and non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad (holy war) and the eventual imposition of Sharia, which is Islamic totalitarian law, in order to ultimately make Islam supreme.

    Why? It’s because Sharia (Islamic totalitarian law) according to Islam emanates divinely directly from Allah as opposed to manmade laws that emanate from mortal man. Thus, since Islamic totalitarian law emanates divinely directly from Allah, it is the “will of Allah”, which is absolutely flawless and perfectly just relative to very fallible manmade laws, and as such must supersede all manmade laws, which are considered unjust. Thus, all manmade laws, including all democracies are abominations that must be eradicated, and this is why democracy in the Islamic world is impossible to ever be established at least on a permanent long-term basis, as in time it must always be destroyed utterly by Islam.

    Islam was absent from Europe when this rewiring took place. Unlike its Christian and Jewish antagonists, it hasn’t been liberalized or secularized. And it insists on being a public religion because theocracy is what it was built to do. Islam was not the religion of the oppressed. It was the religion of the oppressors. It equates morality with authority. If it doesn’t control the public square, then it has no function.

    In other words, unlike faith-based religions, Islam is a very rabid form of totalitarianism posing as being a faith-based religion in order to dupe the very victims it intends to subjugate into Islamic totalitarianism. Now to Muslims, Islam is their religion, but since the preponderance of Muslims have been born already subjugated into Islam, they don’t have a clue what faith-based religion actually is, hence, their total belief that Islam is the one true religion.

    It is an unreconstructed theocracy.

    Unlike in faith-based religions, which accord adherents the freedom of conscience to choose to believe or not to believe, Islam, on the other hand, imposes the penalty of death for blasphemy and apostasy, which makes Islam a cult as opposed to being a religion. Thus, it is impossible for Islam to ever become a reconstructed theocracy since Islam is a cult as opposed to a religion. Therefore, since Islam is a very totalitarian cult as opposed to a theocratic religion, it must be destroyed.

    The solution of all the extremism projects is to combat Islamic theocracy by having governments distinguish “good Islam” from “bad Islam”.

    Which is ludicrous and incredibly fantasy-based, because there is only one true divine word of Allah, i.e., the Koran. Thus, there is only one mainstream orthodox Islam possible, as anything else that could possibly weaken the very totalitarian nature of Islam, is a blasphemy and an abomination that must be obliterated. In other words, it is utterly impossible for Islam to ever be reconstructed or ever reformed, as it is currently constructed. Hence, again, Islam is a cult that must be destroyed.

    When Western governments talk about countering extremism, they mean picking and choosing between the obvious Islamists who march around with “Sharia for the UK” banners and the slightly more subtle followers of Qutb who promise to fight extremism with their moderate front groups.

    In other words, since jihad is the highest pillar of Islam and a fundamental holy obligation incumbent upon all mainstream orthodox Muslims, all Muslims are also jihadists (holy fighters) striving in the cause of Allah in one form or another, either violently (a tiny minority) or otherwise non-violent via stealth and deception (the vast overwhelming majority). Additionally, they are all working to accomplish the same exact goal, the subjugation of all religions and all infidels into Islamic totalitarianism through both violent and non-violent jihad and the eventual imposition of sharia (Islamic totalitarian law) in order to ultimately make Islam supreme.

    It never asks why, if Saudi-trained Imams are the solution to extremism, Saudi Arabia, which has more Imams per square metre than even Tower Hamlets, also turns out more Muslim terrorists than even Tower Hamlets.

    Utterly absurd! Muslims are not perpetrating terrorism in response to Western Imperialist provocations or Western interventionist foreign policies, or in the case of Israel, because of Israeli settlements and harsh Israeli policies. Instead, per the dictates of Islam, Muslims are waging a worldwide global jihad to ultimately make Islam supreme, and because jihad (holy war) manifests both violently and non-violently, unfortunately there will always be a certain amount of violent jihad that is all too often misconstrued as being terrorism perpetrated in response to something or another, and in the minds of the self-hating Left or the Libertarian Ron Paul kooks, that something or another usually turns out to be Western Imperialist provocations or interventionist foreign policies.

    Not to mention as well that a worldwide war, which is what the Islamic global jihad actually is, is far more substantial and profound a problem relative to mere terrorism perpetrated here and there by a few Muslim extremists in response to Western Imperialism or interventionist foreign policies.

    Thus, since mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage to the infidel world has been manifesting for decades now thanks to very destructive leftwing policies like political correct multiculturalism, which is a form of cultural communism and a divide and conquer time bomb, that worldwide war waged by Islam for worldwide dominance must always be reduced down to a tiny problem of terrorism perpetrated here and there by a few extremists. Otherwise, those decades of mass Muslim immigration would necessarily have to be undone and reversed and the political correct multicultural left must never allow that to happen, because it would then expose them.

    In other words, this is a problem solely created by the political correct multicultural left, which morally equates all cultures and societies as being equal. In a political correct multicultural world, there are no enemies because there are no cultures and societies that are superior. Again, all cultures and societies are always equal. Like the Marxist concept of equality, these notions runs counter to human nature, and, indeed, political correct multiculturalism runs counter to the time tested united we stand and divided we fall truism, as it is in reality a divided we fall time bomb.

    Hence, the solution to this predicament is quite simple, ban and reverse decades of mass Muslim immigration and its excess baggage ASAP and then total isolation from the Islamic world.

    • kikorikid

      So, We are supposed to “isolate” from “the Islamic World”?
      Screw that, NUKE MECCA.

      • Drakken

        I’ll get the marshmellows. perhaps if your lucky, a couple of good bourbons to boot. ;)

      • ObamaYoMoma

        How will that stop the jihad?

        • kikorikid

          Jihad, an idea, cannot be stopped with
          bombs. Jihadist, when bombed, die like
          the flies they are. Wanna stop jihad?
          Bomb Imams. They would get the word out
          quickly. But more importantly, bomb the
          infrastructure of the sponsoring nation.
          Make them unable to support jihad materially.
          Repeat.
          OYM, your question is indicative of your beliefs.
          You really think jihad is irresistable? You
          go ahead and give up to jihad. Surrender,
          submit, capitulate. Lets talk about Tours.
          Lets talk about the Mongols.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            You are absolutely brain dead.

          • kikorikid

            The ole ad hominum argument eh!
            You always speak in absolutes when
            discussing Islam so I am confident you are
            a taqiyya spewing Muslim. Are you practicing
            sodomy in order to pack your ass with C4?
            I hope that works for you.

  • DontMessWithAmerica

    When people on the street witness a killing such as this one
    and ignore it to go about their business you have a culture that has no
    character or soul. There were days in the past when Brits or American or even
    Europeans would have torn branches off trees to club the black Neanderthals
    doing the killing and would have lynched them on the spot. Until the bovine
    mass learns to understand what is going on around their petty, low-grade, self-filled
    lives and learns outrage, they will get what they deserve.

  • orbicularioculi

    Idiots! The UK must finally do something about IslamoNazis and the infiltration of Islam into their society. But I fear that the British People LACK the will to FIGHT. These are not the British People who were part of the British Empire. They have no faith or remembrance of their Greatness. Gone, all gone

    • Drakken

      It ain’t over until the fat lady sings, make no mistake, war is coming, and come it will.

  • RevnantDream

    Look at all these Moderate Muslims Nations( which is a misnomer considering they only follow sharia law or a caliphate) that ALL practice ethnic cleansing to the Max. From burning churches to blowing up art works.No diversity for them. The last Jew had to leave Afghanistan the other day. Consider the Buddhists to Christians, Taoists, Hindus. That are killed each day in these hell-holes.

    The expansion of Islam into Africa by the death of millions of none Muslim, along with slavery. The terror caused by roving bands of terrorists in the name of allah.Islam is a cult no better than Jim Jones or David Korash. Its the true form of Satanism made flesh.A pseudo-Religion of conquering supreme-ism.

    The taking over of Europe by infiltration into politics. Including North America.
    By liars pretending peace. The planting of thousands of Mosques they themselves call bastions of war.

    Than observe as they flaunt law & civility even by cab drivers , not allowing seeing eye dogs to people buying booze or ham. The way of dressing to provoke spitefulness with separation as the goal. The erosion by the MB to Cair of freedom of speech. To the endless head chopping videos with cannibalism. Proudly hailed as trophies. This cult is based on human sacrifice . They would steal music to art from us glorying that they are superior.
    Obama says to respect this???

  • Drakken

    As much as I share your sentiments, I am one of those who look at the glass is half full, and we westerners have yet begun to fight, but fight we will, that day is coming sooner than anyone thinks, we westerners will only put up with only so much before the proverbial straw breaks the camels back and nationalism on steroids starts delivering what I call the Serb Option. The one thing you can always count on, and the left and minorities always harp and whine about, is the western mans innate ability to wage wars that are the stuff of legend, it will be to the leftist commi’s and muzaloids horror and chagrin of what they will have pushed us too. What is coming will not allow mercy nor quarter.

  • tacheles

    [The solution of all the extremism projects is to combat Islamic theocracy by
    having governments distinguish “good Islam” from “bad Islam”.]

    Good Islam is Islam that ignores the teaching of Islam.

  • nomoretraitors

    Sad to see how far Western civilization has fallen

    • Texas Patriot

      Very sad. Yet it is still falling very rapidly, and there is no end in sight.

  • Learned

    It is often difficult to distinguish between political and religious motivations within the Islamic world, however with that being said, most observers would agree that the East Timor issue was by far a political issue.