Time: “Young Black Men Murder 14 Times More than Young White Men”

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The article is a by an African-American professor and mostly it restates the obvious. It’s just that the obvious isn’t much talked about.

So, it’s just fake to pretend that the association of young black men with violence comes out of thin air. Young black men murder 14 times more than young white men. If the kinds of things I just mentioned were regularly done by whites, it’d be trumpeted as justification for being scared to death of them.

It’s not that black communities are in complete denial about these statistics — Stop the Violence events are a staple of high-crime areas. But let’s face it: black America isn’t nearly as indignant about black boys killing one another or whites as about the occasional white cop killing one black boy, even though the former wreaks much more havoc in black communities. There is no coordinated nationwide movement equivalent to the one Martin galvanized. There are no thoughtful films “exploring” black-on-black crime the way Fruitvale Station treats the death of Oscar Grant, a young black man who was killed by transit police in Oakland, Calif.

And recent example illustrates how many blacks feel about who is murdering whom. Two weeks ago, an NYPD cop killed 14-year-old Shaaliver Douse. Douse was in the process of shooting other people, and had been charged with shooting someone else in May — and yet his aunt compared him to Martin. In her mind, the main sin was the white cop’s.

Granted, it seems a lot easier to do something about the Zimmermans than the black thugs. Protest profiling and police departments institute new programs. But black thugs aren’t moved by protests, so it can seem like we’re just stuck with them.

But who’s to say what would happen if black America exerted even half of the emotional fervor and brainpower it does over cases like Martin’s to thinking about how to keep black boys from going wrong? Annette John-Hall had some wise words on this last year. What kind of self-image do we have to assume we can only change others, but not ourselves?

But the question is where do black thugs come from? And the answer is that the African-American community has broken down in certain areas.

It has a functional and occasionally prosperous middle class, but the children of that middle class still pay tribute to ghetto thug values. When Obama hangs out with Jay-Z (sample lyric: Welcome to the melting pot, corners where we sellin’ rock), the message that he’s sending is that the black thug represents the black community.

On the one hand, we have ghettos where children grow up without fathers, graduate to gang violence and then shoot each other… and occasionally white people. And we have a black middle class that isn’t willing to break with that way of life.

It used to be the white liberal upper class that enabled black thuggery for entertainment and political purposes. But these days it’s the black middle class that has to take some responsibility for refusing to say no to thug culture while taking refuge behind racism.

  • concerned american

    Does staying away from black people make me racist? Don’t I have a better chance of survival by staying away from black people? I’ve been sucker punched on two separate occasions by black people. I’ve spent close to $40,000 out of my own pocket and well over $100,000 in medical bills paying off therapists. My buddy rolled his tank over a bleeding out black guy in combat for his guys to pull him out to safety. I’m helping looking out for my buddy when he gets back and then I’m sucker punched by a black guy. I don’t see any blacks helping me out now either. I can’t afford another traumatic brain injury.

    • Bill James

      http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ipdf/cvus06.pdf Table 42, Violent Crime Rates by Race:
      -The Black-on-White rate was 35 times more than White-on-Black.

      -Black-on-White rape rate was 84; White-on-Black rape was statistically insignificant and listed as zero.

      “Criminal Victimization in the United States” DOJ Table 48, race of “multiple offender” (gangs) and their victim/s involved in violent crimes:
      -In 2005 Blacks committed 70 times more such crimes against Whites than Whites committed against Blacks.

      -In 2008 Blacks committed 147,749 such crimes against Whites; Whites committed ten against Blacks.

      -7/14/14
      http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/07/14/despite-recent-shootings-chicago-nowhere-near-u-s-murder-capital/ Flint, Mich. (56% Blacks) had the highest murder rate, 62 per 100,000 population in 2012; next was Detroit (83% Black) with a rate of 55; next was New Orleans (60% Black) with a rate of 53; next was Jackson, Miss. (80% Black) with a rate of 36.

      -6/6/2011
      http://www.businessinsider.com/safest-cities-in-america-2011-6?op=1 The lowest violent crime rate was in Irvine, CA which has a 2% Black population; next was Temecula, CA which has a 4% Black population; next was Cary, N. C. which has an 8% Black population; next was Marietta, CA which has a 5% Black population.

      Only fools ignore such statistics. Only race pimps regard it as racist to respect such statistics and act upon them: in other words, stay away from cities with large Black populations. Follow Jesse Jackson’s advice and be cautious:
      -12/3/93 The Baltimore Sun: Jesse Jackson admits: “I hate to admit it, but I have reached a stage in my life that if I am walking down a dark street late at night and I see that the person behind me is white, I subconsciously feel relieved.”

      Thanks for your service.

  • RC Snipper

    of course, this isn’t true. go to FBI statistics and you’ll see it’s only about twice as much in youth. then once you get to age 30 white men murder twice as much as black men.

    • DeMarquise Elkins

      You FORGOT to calculate PER CAPITA from US population per race data.

    • RWR4TX

      Nice try dumb@$$, but everyone sees through your idiocy.

    • Kim Jong Un

      Only because by 30 most black men are in prison already.

      • Voice Of Reason

        or dead

    • Bill James

      Your problem, bro, is that you don’t understand simple numbers versus “rates.” A rate measures the occurence of an event per a certain number within a population. Here are some rates per 100,000 population for the crimes you Blacks commit:

      http://www.fbi.gov 2011 Table 43: The Black crime rate for:
      -murder is 5 times more than Whites, 45 times more than Asians

      -rape is 4 times more than Whites, 27 more than Asians

      -robbery is 5 times more than Whites, 57 more than Asians

      -burglary is 4 times more than Whites, 34 more than Asians

      The future looks worse:

      -http://www.cdc.gov 2010 homicide rates of 10 to 24 year-olds:
      The Black rate was 18 times that of Whites and Asians.

      http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ipdf/cvus06.pdf Table 42, Violent Crime Rates by Race:
      -The Black-on-White rate was 35 times more than White-on-Black.

      -Black-on-White rape rate was 84; White-on-Black rape was statistically insignificant and listed as zero.

      “Criminal Victimization in the United States” DOJ Table 48, race of “multiple offender” (gangs) and their victim/s involved in violent crimes:
      -In 2005 Blacks committed 70 times more such crimes against
      Whites than Whites committed against Blacks.

      -In 2008 Blacks committed 147,749 such crimes against Whites; Whites committed ten against Blacks.

      -The DOJ stopped identifying the race of gang crime offenders in 2008. I can’t imagine why.

      [Do you think snipper understood what I just said? Neither do I]

  • blackreality

    So if Blacks are so violent and no one can pinpoint the reason why or offer ways to fix this Black violence,then what should white people do with Black people as a solution?

  • RWR4TX

    Discrimination should be legal. It’s called freedom of association.

  • Shistang

    Bix nood?

  • bullwhip

    Around blacks, never relax. Always check your six, maintain situational awareness, pack heat. America is a war zone with those things on the the loose.

  • bullwhip

    Blacks are not human. They are vile beasts.

  • Moderated2

    14 X ……..thought it would be much higher.

  • Yourfatherwasyourmother

    maybe It has to do with crack

  • VAM

    Robyn thats all fine and dandy, the past is the past. What matters NOW is the murder rate. You CANT logically deny that. Instead of bringing up past wrongs by everyone of every color and this happened so now this happens, is ridiculous. Something needs to be DONE about it. We live in the now, with advances in education , technology, STOP making excuses.

    • Voice Of Reason

      Big Thumbs Up!

  • H Town Psych

    How weird that this article presents no data whatsoever. It is just a bunch of musings about why black people are so bad. P.S. dude, crack use and sales have been outrageously low since the 90s. Update your stereotypes.

    • Bill James

      How can anyone be so dense?
      http://www.fbi.gov 2011 Table 43: The Black crime rate for:
      -murder is 5 times more than Whites, 45 times more than Asians

      -rape is 4 times more than Whites, 27 more than Asians

      -robbery is 5 times more than Whites, 57 more than Asians

      -burglary is 4 times more than Whites, 34 more than Asians

      The future looks worse:
      -http://www.cdc.gov 2010 homicide rates of 10 to 24 year-olds:
      The Black rate was 18 times that of Whites and Asians.

      http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ipdf/cvus06.pdf Table 42, Violent Crime Rates by Race:
      -The Black-on-White rate was 35 times more than White-on-Black.

      -Black-on-White rape rate was 84; White-on-Black rape was statistically insignificant and listed as zero.

      “Criminal Victimization in the United States” DOJ Table 48, race of “multiple offender” (gangs) and their victim/s involved in violent crimes:
      -In 2005 Blacks committed 70 times more such crimes against Whites than Whites committed against Blacks.

      -In 2008 Blacks committed 147,749 such crimes against Whites; Whites committed ten against Blacks.

      -The DOJ stopped identifying the race of gang crime offenders in 2008. I can’t imagine why.

      But what race does the DOJ list as the most victimized in
      2014?
      -NCJ244409, Characteristics of Violent Hate Crime Victims: Blacks — 30% MORE than Whites.

      There’s a ton more, but I’m not wasting anymore of my time on you, bro.

  • Jajca Oba ma

    ech …USAŃCE jak na was patrzę to mi was tylko żal

  • KNOWSHIT

    For violent crime by race in 2011, 59.4% of those arrested were white, 38.3% were black, and 2.2% were of other races.[25] For persons arrested for homicide in 2011, 49.7% were black, 48% were white, and 2.3% were of other races.[25] For persons arrested for rape in 2011, 65% were white, 32.9% were black, and 2.1% were of other races.[25] For property crime in 2011, 68.1% of arrested persons were white, 29.5% were black, and 2.4% were of other races.[25]

    Blacks do not commit more violent crime than whites but when a black person is arrested for a violent crime it is usually murder

    The real FBI Stats

    • Bill James

      I can tell you flunked basic math.

      Simple percentages do not reflect the significance of Black or White crime. There are six time more Whites than Blacks in America, so there will naturally be more Whites committing crimes than Blacks. Got that? I doubt it, but I’ll proceed anyway.

      The only valid method of measuring racial differences is the rate of an something per a standard population of, say….

      Ah hell, why bother? Blacks don’t KNOWSHIT when it comes to math and they sure don’t care about facts which prove they’re the most dangerous race in America.

      8/7/13 newyorktimes.com “Striking gaps in achievement between black students in math, where 15% of black students passed compared with 60% of Asians passing.

    • Minnie Pearl

      Also keep in mind that the FBI Uniform Crime Report statistics from which those numbers are drawn, have 4 categories: Black, White, Asian/Pacific Islander, and American Indian/Alaskan Native: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf. The category of White includes Hispanics (nearly all), Arabs, Indian (from India) and just about everything else that doesn’t fall into the other categories.

      One might ask why the FBI continues to conflate the race issue and not give Hispanics their own category, but the motive is obvious: they can mask a multitude of sins, primarily to make Black crime appear more even with White crime (and keep in mind that Blacks are a small 13% demographic and even with Hispanics included as Whites the statistic is grossly imbalanced).

      And, if one looks at the “Hate Crimes” categories one will find that there IS a Hispanic category (ethnicity) for victim: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2012/tables-and-data-declarations/1tabledatadecpdf/table_1_incidents_offenses_victims_and_known_offenders_by_bias_motivation_2012.xls. Therefore, for a Hispanic on Hispanic crime (one motivated by race like one gang member from Guatemala hating another from Honduras) one can technically be a Hispanic victim but not a Hispanic victimizer because, even if the victimizer is Hispanic, he will still be deemed White: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2012/topic-pages/offenders/offenders_final.

      So, the books are stacked against Whitey until we drive the political correctness liars from our government and start reporting honestly.

      Nothing will improve until our statistics are honest and deceivers like Jesse Jackson are stopped in their tracks when making such outrageous claims like this morning’s: “It seems to me that when blacks kill whites, which is rare, it’s swift justice. When whites kill blacks, it’s rebellion.”

      Umm, Blacks killing Whites is rare? How about 5-15 times (depending on the source) more likely for a Black to kill a White than a White to kill a Black, and Blacks being only 13% of the population? They lie! http://www.mediaite.com/tv/ben-carson-battles-jesse-jackson-ferguson-has-nothing-to-do-with-race/

  • Captain Obvious

    RobynBupkis — I am so amused running across someone like this. It appears Robyn (and similar) will continue to deny facts presented and will attempt to convince the viewing audience with their pseudo intellect . They pontificate endlessly in defense of their own kind and own position – Robyn stop closing your eyes and mind to the frequency of what is repeatedly observed by others on a regular basis. …but try he must as if he really thinks he will convince others that his “position” is right and everyone else does not know what they are talking about. Maybe this too is a part of the urban community problem, The truth is sometimes quite painful so deny, deny, deny in the hopes the facts will just go away.

  • jhpoland

    Ignorance in the inner city and criminality being a way of life for so many black youths there make them a risk to society and makes them see the police as their enemy!

  • Lisa

    Here we go slavery wasn’t started by whites look it up According to colonial records, the first slave owner in the United States was a black man. By 1830 there were 3,775 black families living in the South who owned black slaves. By 1860 there were about 3,000 slaves owned by black households in the city of New Orleans alone. Young Black Men Murder 14 Times More than Young White Men look that up too. Also all the black on black killing. I am NOT a RASICST I have many different nationality’s in my family. Stop trying to put the blame on others. No I dont think all cops are good but there are good and bad just as there is good and bad of whites and blacks and so on. If you don’t trust the police don’t call them when u are in need. you don’t want trouble don’t cause trouble……………………………………….#FEDTHEFUCKUPWITHTHISHATESHIT

  • IAmwhiteAndblack

    mulattos Are freakin supreme.. second to germans.. soccer proves this..

  • Guest

    sides of the spectrum..

  • IAmwhiteAndblack

    I heard About white people murdering blacks in power All the time.. with their mafias And stuff..

  • aaronratner

    I too, used to think that hip-hop (not remotely a fan) was promoting drug use and other negative behavior but I finally realized that when Jay-Z talks about selling rock on the corner, he’s not saying that it should be that way but rather, is saying that it is that way. I should social commentary. And it’s funny that when Bush promoted Johnny Cash, no one commented that Cash has songs with lyrics about doing cocaine. This is a huge double standard. Rock music, which is traditionally “white” music, is littered with lyrics on the same subjects ad hip-hop but it gets a free pass. Cash sings of cocaine, good. Jay-Z sings of cocaine (rock), bad. That’s ridiculous.

  • SilverGuardian

    Ah, yes … Libtard is as acceptable as Repugnican … but generally the person using “Libtard” is calling even moderate Republicans by that tag, proving themselves to be Retardicans.