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	<title>Comments on: Turkey Accuses Egypt of Massacre, Egypt Responds by Endorsing Armenian Genocide Declaration</title>
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		<title>By: where is my vote?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[where is my vote?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2014 01:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Frankly, this one-sided view is completely biased and misleading to any reader who doe not live in Egypt like so many have comments beneath. the story is, the leaders in SCAF took this action not for the sake of poor Egyptians like what they declared but only for protecting their economical interests and benefits. The pro-democracy demonstrators in all over the streets in Egypt are not against the Army but the opposite to the intervention of the military leaders in the civilian life and political aspect.  i just frankly ask what the definition of such situation in Egypt from the prospective of  political sciences ? no-one denies that 30 June is a military coup against the will of Egyptians who stood in the long queues to vote in 5 sequenced elections and referendum which resulted in the majority of Islamic current candidates came to power. After all, the losers from these elections found no way except calling military to intervene and remove the people whom been chosen by free will of Egyptians.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, this one-sided view is completely biased and misleading to any reader who doe not live in Egypt like so many have comments beneath. the story is, the leaders in SCAF took this action not for the sake of poor Egyptians like what they declared but only for protecting their economical interests and benefits. The pro-democracy demonstrators in all over the streets in Egypt are not against the Army but the opposite to the intervention of the military leaders in the civilian life and political aspect.  i just frankly ask what the definition of such situation in Egypt from the prospective of  political sciences ? no-one denies that 30 June is a military coup against the will of Egyptians who stood in the long queues to vote in 5 sequenced elections and referendum which resulted in the majority of Islamic current candidates came to power. After all, the losers from these elections found no way except calling military to intervene and remove the people whom been chosen by free will of Egyptians.</p>
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		<title>By: Love Love</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Love Love]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2013 21:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hostility?   

Systematic, organized killing of innocent civilians (wth their leaders first)...,
then...

Systematic, organized paranoid, dellusional denial of the killing for nearly 100 years...
takes it&#039;s toll..

for Human Rights to take affects, you only need to be...a Human with Compassion.
....either Turkey can take the lead and take responsibility...or all the Nationals of the world take the Acceptance Stance and make Turkey take responsibility....(just like people who use chemical weapons)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hostility?   </p>
<p>Systematic, organized killing of innocent civilians (wth their leaders first)&#8230;,<br />
then&#8230;</p>
<p>Systematic, organized paranoid, dellusional denial of the killing for nearly 100 years&#8230;<br />
takes it&#8217;s toll..</p>
<p>for Human Rights to take affects, you only need to be&#8230;a Human with Compassion.<br />
&#8230;.either Turkey can take the lead and take responsibility&#8230;or all the Nationals of the world take the Acceptance Stance and make Turkey take responsibility&#8230;.(just like people who use chemical weapons)</p>
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		<title>By: IC</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2013 20:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To be honest man, we will never know for sure because we werent there, and Taner Akcam is only one of the facts I gave, but if we think the way of scholars being sell outs, then that is everywhere... Everyone has interests and views so it is pretty hard to be neutral. You are right also about the fact of Armenians residing in the country already. I have read about Armenians residing in constinopole / istanbul and more towards present day Armenia. I want you to keep in mind that the massacres on Turks does not discredit the fact of what the Turks did to Armenians or Greeks, however, violent/ systematic retaliation cannot and will not justify the reasons why Armenians/ Greeks did that to Turks, just as it doesn&#039;t justify Turks of the wrongful acts they committed on Armenians and Greeks after. Things would be alot simpler if we stop debating on details on who killed more people or who destroyed what. If we can just acknowledge the wrong doings in general, apologize to each other and all move forward we can advance in society and sing kumbaya. I am hopeful that in this century people are more intelligent and rational so there will be no blood shed over relgions, racism, and hate. I understand your pains, and I understand the Greeks and the Turks, they all have their reasons, but it’s a matter of learning from it and not repeating it. If we look at history, it’s just a vicious cycle of afflicting violence on each other. Break the cycle. I wish I agree, I wish I was Turkish so I could have been a significant mediator to make both sides happy and respected. It is hard to find someone who hasn&#039;t taken a harsh stance and there is still people who refuse to listen and stay ignorant. 

Cheers Brother]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest man, we will never know for sure because we werent there, and Taner Akcam is only one of the facts I gave, but if we think the way of scholars being sell outs, then that is everywhere&#8230; Everyone has interests and views so it is pretty hard to be neutral. You are right also about the fact of Armenians residing in the country already. I have read about Armenians residing in constinopole / istanbul and more towards present day Armenia. I want you to keep in mind that the massacres on Turks does not discredit the fact of what the Turks did to Armenians or Greeks, however, violent/ systematic retaliation cannot and will not justify the reasons why Armenians/ Greeks did that to Turks, just as it doesn&#8217;t justify Turks of the wrongful acts they committed on Armenians and Greeks after. Things would be alot simpler if we stop debating on details on who killed more people or who destroyed what. If we can just acknowledge the wrong doings in general, apologize to each other and all move forward we can advance in society and sing kumbaya. I am hopeful that in this century people are more intelligent and rational so there will be no blood shed over relgions, racism, and hate. I understand your pains, and I understand the Greeks and the Turks, they all have their reasons, but it’s a matter of learning from it and not repeating it. If we look at history, it’s just a vicious cycle of afflicting violence on each other. Break the cycle. I wish I agree, I wish I was Turkish so I could have been a significant mediator to make both sides happy and respected. It is hard to find someone who hasn&#8217;t taken a harsh stance and there is still people who refuse to listen and stay ignorant. </p>
<p>Cheers Brother</p>
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		<title>By: IC</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2013 19:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t know you were greek, I don&#039;t understand why people on this site try to label everyone, not once have I ever labelled someone because of their views... but why do you have a hard time trying to understand where i am coming from? The point of this wasn&#039;t to say Turks got massacred too so its ok, what I am saying is you and all your neighbours have faced adversities, trying to compare which one is worse doesn&#039;t do justice, and ignoring the other side and trying to advertise your own misfortunes will not bring peace or awknowledgement by the other side.  Your Greek brother made a very neutral approach, he also talked about why GREEKS have a grudge against Turks so its not one sided don&#039;t worry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t know you were greek, I don&#8217;t understand why people on this site try to label everyone, not once have I ever labelled someone because of their views&#8230; but why do you have a hard time trying to understand where i am coming from? The point of this wasn&#8217;t to say Turks got massacred too so its ok, what I am saying is you and all your neighbours have faced adversities, trying to compare which one is worse doesn&#8217;t do justice, and ignoring the other side and trying to advertise your own misfortunes will not bring peace or awknowledgement by the other side.  Your Greek brother made a very neutral approach, he also talked about why GREEKS have a grudge against Turks so its not one sided don&#8217;t worry.</p>
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		<title>By: Amerigy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amerigy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2013 19:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[IC you are a Turk trying to justify and rationalize the overwhelming evidence of Turkish atrocities over the years.  Why do you even think I am a Greek?  Anyone that questions the Turkish distortions of history is a Greek to you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IC you are a Turk trying to justify and rationalize the overwhelming evidence of Turkish atrocities over the years.  Why do you even think I am a Greek?  Anyone that questions the Turkish distortions of history is a Greek to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Amerigy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amerigy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2013 19:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[IC, read the reports, look at Turkey&#039;s own propaganda.  They bombed entire villages and cities like Farmagusta with napalm.  thousands of girls and women were rapped.  over 5,000 innocent civilians were murdered by US supplied weapons.  Read the press.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IC, read the reports, look at Turkey&#8217;s own propaganda.  They bombed entire villages and cities like Farmagusta with napalm.  thousands of girls and women were rapped.  over 5,000 innocent civilians were murdered by US supplied weapons.  Read the press.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucia Moon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucia Moon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2013 17:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[IC, to be honest with you, I hope you are Turkish :)) I think if Armenians and Turks had more discussions such as we held together, we will settle our differences much sooner. An individual must not be threatened to express his/her opinion . This is the very foundation of democracy and advanced functioning. Even if we have contradicting opinions, even if we have different sources for the truth, there should always be a respect and tollerance.  If some comments to you by other Armenians are harsh it is only because we have a lot of unprocessed pain that accumulates over years.  Please look at it in that context :) It has been lovely debating with you :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IC, to be honest with you, I hope you are Turkish :)) I think if Armenians and Turks had more discussions such as we held together, we will settle our differences much sooner. An individual must not be threatened to express his/her opinion . This is the very foundation of democracy and advanced functioning. Even if we have contradicting opinions, even if we have different sources for the truth, there should always be a respect and tollerance.  If some comments to you by other Armenians are harsh it is only because we have a lot of unprocessed pain that accumulates over years.  Please look at it in that context <img src="http://cdn.frontpagemag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" />  It has been lovely debating with you <img src="http://cdn.frontpagemag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lucia Moon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucia Moon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2013 17:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, about Taner Akcam. :)  Taner Anckam was  witnessing to the Armenian Genocide in his writings, however later he changed his testimony in favor of Turks. This is a great exhample that Turks are trying to influence all: historians, politicians, military, etc... just to defend themselves and to give a reason why they did what they did. Those who know the truth and speak the truth, Turkish government, simply kills. That is what has happened to Hrant Dink, a Turkish journalist of Armenian descent , not so long ago. After his death hundreds of thousands of Noble Turks came out on the streets of Istambul with a sign on  them saying &quot; I am Hrant Dink&quot;.   You see, my friend, the power of truth and love and light, is much stronger, than lies, deciet and evil. One is for certain, Turkish government is trying to use the old methods is shutting people up, and it is not working, because people are much more advanced now., such as you for exhample. A Canadian who is so informed about Armenian Genocide and the Turkish problem. The only thing you need is to dig deeper, to find out the real truth. You are on the right path, though, just stay away from Turkish historians or the corrupted historians who were paid to rewrite a history and sign their names underneath. Stay away from Armenian historians too, just to be fair. Look at the world maps from the museum of Britain, Look up Urartu, and the territory Armenia had.The interesting thing you said when you mentioned that Armenians came and Greeks came and massacred the Turks. Came where? Armenians had never moved from their historical land since prehistoric times. Turks came in from Asia and by force by blood killed, took over lands, destroyed architecture, etc... Then you are telling me that we had massacred them. If this is the case then, maybe we should define massacre? If you have lived in your house since brth, and someone comes and tells you that you have to leave or become a slave, and you rebell, will it be called a massacre? I am not sure...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, about Taner Akcam. <img src="http://cdn.frontpagemag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" />   Taner Anckam was  witnessing to the Armenian Genocide in his writings, however later he changed his testimony in favor of Turks. This is a great exhample that Turks are trying to influence all: historians, politicians, military, etc&#8230; just to defend themselves and to give a reason why they did what they did. Those who know the truth and speak the truth, Turkish government, simply kills. That is what has happened to Hrant Dink, a Turkish journalist of Armenian descent , not so long ago. After his death hundreds of thousands of Noble Turks came out on the streets of Istambul with a sign on  them saying &#8221; I am Hrant Dink&#8221;.   You see, my friend, the power of truth and love and light, is much stronger, than lies, deciet and evil. One is for certain, Turkish government is trying to use the old methods is shutting people up, and it is not working, because people are much more advanced now., such as you for exhample. A Canadian who is so informed about Armenian Genocide and the Turkish problem. The only thing you need is to dig deeper, to find out the real truth. You are on the right path, though, just stay away from Turkish historians or the corrupted historians who were paid to rewrite a history and sign their names underneath. Stay away from Armenian historians too, just to be fair. Look at the world maps from the museum of Britain, Look up Urartu, and the territory Armenia had.The interesting thing you said when you mentioned that Armenians came and Greeks came and massacred the Turks. Came where? Armenians had never moved from their historical land since prehistoric times. Turks came in from Asia and by force by blood killed, took over lands, destroyed architecture, etc&#8230; Then you are telling me that we had massacred them. If this is the case then, maybe we should define massacre? If you have lived in your house since brth, and someone comes and tells you that you have to leave or become a slave, and you rebell, will it be called a massacre? I am not sure&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lucia Moon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucia Moon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 21:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear friend Amen to that ! I agree , 100% . The reason why we need to address and process all that pain is not only to acknowledge the losses but to be able to start having civil dialogues and thrive. Not to stand against each other but rather stand by each other and help one another to make the right decision. It is not easy to accept that ones&#039; ancestors were able to commit such crimes. But our generation has a chance to build the world we want to live in . Do not be offended by any Armenian being rude to you. It is the pain that has not been processed for 100 years almost. I get though comments too sometimes, but I understand that it is fear talking and the instinct of self preservance. It has been a pleasure debating with you. Check out my song on youtube . It is actually very relevant to our subject. &quot; deir-ez zor  lucia moon&quot; :) stay blessed :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear friend Amen to that ! I agree , 100% . The reason why we need to address and process all that pain is not only to acknowledge the losses but to be able to start having civil dialogues and thrive. Not to stand against each other but rather stand by each other and help one another to make the right decision. It is not easy to accept that ones&#8217; ancestors were able to commit such crimes. But our generation has a chance to build the world we want to live in . Do not be offended by any Armenian being rude to you. It is the pain that has not been processed for 100 years almost. I get though comments too sometimes, but I understand that it is fear talking and the instinct of self preservance. It has been a pleasure debating with you. Check out my song on youtube . It is actually very relevant to our subject. &#8221; deir-ez zor  lucia moon&#8221; <img src="http://cdn.frontpagemag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" />  stay blessed <img src="http://cdn.frontpagemag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /> </p>
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		<title>By: IC</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I will not deny those facts either, as there is evidence of inequality to other minorities under Ottoman rule, which have cursed Turks dearly in History, as half of Europeans and other regions being discontent of Turks for that reason (historically). It is a shame because even in their own religion it promotes the freedom of beliefs (as their book embraces the Torah and Gospel also) as long as their beliefs isn&#039;t under attack. Which to my knowledge wasn&#039;t the case. (correct me if im wrong)  Regardless, any kind of rape or murder of women and children are disgusting to any group/race. Now that we have proved numerous genocidal acts inflicted on all parties, Armenian, Pontiac (greek), and Turkish (which has been surprisingly remained hidden in history books.)  This shows to you that Violence, hate, and anger does not end genocides, does not end killings, or conflict, it comes back even worse and more severe. Therefore we must condemn any hatred or violence if we want any positive impact to come from these unfortunate events, which is the goal right?
I hope the rest of the masses can come to an agreement and respect for each other just as me and Lucia have. As Civilian said, this is 2013, its time to stop debating about something 100 years ago and come to a recognition of all losses coming from different identities. It doesn’t matter how many people killed who or how much more brutal this genocide was than the other one. If we can embrace and accept all sides, I would HOPE that we can FORGIVE but not FORGET.

Thank you Lucia for being civil with me.
Cheers]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will not deny those facts either, as there is evidence of inequality to other minorities under Ottoman rule, which have cursed Turks dearly in History, as half of Europeans and other regions being discontent of Turks for that reason (historically). It is a shame because even in their own religion it promotes the freedom of beliefs (as their book embraces the Torah and Gospel also) as long as their beliefs isn&#8217;t under attack. Which to my knowledge wasn&#8217;t the case. (correct me if im wrong)  Regardless, any kind of rape or murder of women and children are disgusting to any group/race. Now that we have proved numerous genocidal acts inflicted on all parties, Armenian, Pontiac (greek), and Turkish (which has been surprisingly remained hidden in history books.)  This shows to you that Violence, hate, and anger does not end genocides, does not end killings, or conflict, it comes back even worse and more severe. Therefore we must condemn any hatred or violence if we want any positive impact to come from these unfortunate events, which is the goal right?<br />
I hope the rest of the masses can come to an agreement and respect for each other just as me and Lucia have. As Civilian said, this is 2013, its time to stop debating about something 100 years ago and come to a recognition of all losses coming from different identities. It doesn’t matter how many people killed who or how much more brutal this genocide was than the other one. If we can embrace and accept all sides, I would HOPE that we can FORGIVE but not FORGET.</p>
<p>Thank you Lucia for being civil with me.<br />
Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Lucia Moon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucia Moon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 19:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Turks thought that Armenians were the threat, they could have quickly arrest those Armenian activists who cold have been the threat. I would somehow understand that this was made to protect their country. The attempt to eliminate the entire Armenian race does not fit in my head.. Does it fit in yours? Instead of saving their country they had put a shame on it and now their poor children are not able to wash the blood off their own hands, because it is still reappearing with every Turkish generation until the Genocide is recognized . This crime against humanity is in the DNA of Turks, and the only way is through repentance and recognition. I don&#039;t care how much Turkey will pay to Armenia, whatever it is, it will not be enough to cover the life of that one innocent child raped and killed at the desert of Deir-ez Zor. All i care about is for two nations to face the reality, take the responsibility, and go through the healing in order to start giving birth to a healthy generation of Armenians and Turks]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Turks thought that Armenians were the threat, they could have quickly arrest those Armenian activists who cold have been the threat. I would somehow understand that this was made to protect their country. The attempt to eliminate the entire Armenian race does not fit in my head.. Does it fit in yours? Instead of saving their country they had put a shame on it and now their poor children are not able to wash the blood off their own hands, because it is still reappearing with every Turkish generation until the Genocide is recognized . This crime against humanity is in the DNA of Turks, and the only way is through repentance and recognition. I don&#8217;t care how much Turkey will pay to Armenia, whatever it is, it will not be enough to cover the life of that one innocent child raped and killed at the desert of Deir-ez Zor. All i care about is for two nations to face the reality, take the responsibility, and go through the healing in order to start giving birth to a healthy generation of Armenians and Turks</p>
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		<title>By: Lucia Moon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucia Moon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 19:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see your point. Thank you for not denying the Armenian Genocide as well. That is wise, because the proves for the genocide come mainly from not Armenian sources. It will not be wise from me to deny the fact that Armenian wanted Russians to free them from Turks .  Now commenting on how Armenians were rebelling and hurting Turks at the very vulnerable time for them ...  Armenians were always pressured by Turks . The genocide of 1915 is not the first massacre. What about Armenian massacres in 1894-1896 carried our during Abdul Hamid II ? There was no vulnerable, sensitive time for Turkey. In fact it was a very peaceful time,  however Armenians were the Christian minority that refused to convert . Turks were burning villages, raping and kidnaping beautiful Armenian women into their harems, killing men, enforsing unbearable taxation, etc...  Abdul hamid&#039;s mother , herself was an Armenian girl kidnaped, brought to the harem and converted by force. Do you understand why Armenians were hopping for Russians to come and free them ? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see your point. Thank you for not denying the Armenian Genocide as well. That is wise, because the proves for the genocide come mainly from not Armenian sources. It will not be wise from me to deny the fact that Armenian wanted Russians to free them from Turks .  Now commenting on how Armenians were rebelling and hurting Turks at the very vulnerable time for them &#8230;  Armenians were always pressured by Turks . The genocide of 1915 is not the first massacre. What about Armenian massacres in 1894-1896 carried our during Abdul Hamid II ? There was no vulnerable, sensitive time for Turkey. In fact it was a very peaceful time,  however Armenians were the Christian minority that refused to convert . Turks were burning villages, raping and kidnaping beautiful Armenian women into their harems, killing men, enforsing unbearable taxation, etc&#8230;  Abdul hamid&#8217;s mother , herself was an Armenian girl kidnaped, brought to the harem and converted by force. Do you understand why Armenians were hopping for Russians to come and free them ? </p>
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		<title>By: IC</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This was written by a Greek himself, to explain the hostility of Turks towards greeks, and he explains the involvement of Armenians in the systematic killings.
&quot;Unfortunately, our Greek ancestors didn’t exactly behave like angels. There are reports from independent, third-party sources that describe atrocities of the worst kind. For example:
The American Lieutenant General James Harbord wrote, describing to the American Senate the first months of the occupation: “The Greek troops and the local Greeks who had joined them in arms started a general massacre of the Mussulmen population in which the officials and Ottoman officers and soldiers as well as the peaceful inhabitants were indiscriminately put to death.”
A British officer reported (according to the historian Taner Akçam): “There was not even an organized resistance [by the Turks] at the time of the Greek occupation. Yet the Greeks are persisting in their oppression, and they have continued to burn villages, kill Turks and rape and kill women and young girls and throttle to death children.” 
Harold Armstrong, a British officer who was a member of the Inter-Allied Commission, reported that as the Greeks pushed out from Smynra, they massacred and raped civilians, and burned and pillaged as they went.
The Inter-Allied commission stated in their report of May 23, 1921: “A distinct and regular method appears to have been followed in the destruction of villages, group by group, for the last two months, which destruction has even reached the neighbourhood of the Greek headquarters. The members of the Commission consider that, in the part of the kazas of Yalova and Gemlik occupied by the Greek army, there is a systematic plan of destruction of Turkish villages and extinction of the Muslim population. This plan is being carried out by Greek and Armenian bands, which appear to operate under Greek instructions and sometimes even with the assistance of detachments of regular troops.” 
But when the Turks started getting the upper hand in battles, mainly after Kemal Atatürk assumed the leadership of their army, the Greeks started retreating gradually from the lands they had occupied. By 1922 the Great Powers had changed their plans, and abandoned the Greeks in Anatolia, who now had not a good line of supplies, not even enough ammunition. They were fighting in a land they never considered theirs, whereas the Turks were fighting for what they considered their own land. That, and the fact that the Turks were getting ammunition from the newly formed Soviet Union (because Lenin naïvely thought of Atatürk as a revolutionary like him), made a big difference. The problem is, the Greeks didn’t just retreat nicely and kindly to return where they came from; they adopted the policy of leaving a scorched earth behind them. They burned villages, killed men, raped and killed women and children as they were heading back to Smyrna:
Sydney Nettleton Fisher, a historian of the Middle East, wrote: “The Greek army in retreat pursued a burned-earth policy and committed every known outrage against defenceless Turkish villagers in its path” 
Norman M. Naimark noted: “The Greek retreat was even more devastating for the local population than the occupation.” 
James Loder Park, the U.S. Vice-Consul in Constantinople at the time, who toured much of the devastated area immediately after the Greek evacuation, described as follows what he saw: “Manisa... almost completely wiped out by fire... 10,300 houses, 15 mosques, 2 baths, 2,278 shops, 19 hotels, 26 villas...[destroyed]. Cassaba (Turgutlu) was a town of 40,000 souls, 3,000 of whom were non-Muslims. Of these 37,000 Turks only 6,000 could be accounted for among the living, while 1,000 Turks were known to have been shot or burned to death. Of the 2,000 buildings that constituted the city, only 200 remained standing. Ample testimony was available to the effect that the city was systematically destroyed by Greek soldiers, assisted by a number of Greek and Armenian civilians. Kerosene and gasoline were freely used to make the destruction more certain, rapid and complete. In Philadelphia (Alaşehir), hand pumps were used to soak the walls of the buildings with kerosene. As we examined the ruins of the city, we discovered a number of skulls and bones, charred and black, with remnants of hair and flesh clinging to them. Upon our insistence a number of graves having a fresh-made appearance were actually opened for us as we were fully satisfied that these bodies were not more than four weeks old.
Arnold J. Toynbee, the British historian, reported that he and his wife witnessed atrocities perpetrated by Greeks in the Yalova, Gemlik, and Izmit areas. Not only did they obtain abundant material evidence in the shape of “burnt and plundered houses, recent corpses, and terror stricken survivors”, but also witnessed robbery by Greek civilians and arsons by Greek soldiers in uniform, caught in the act of perpetration. 
Marjorie Housepian wrote that 4,000 Smyrna Muslims were killed by Greek forces. 
Johannes Kolmodin, a Swedish orientalist in Smyrna, wrote in his letters that the Greek army had burned 250 Turkish villages.
Of course I am aware of atrocities committed by Turks against Greeks (the civilians, not the army) after the Turks started getting the upper hand in that war. Of course I know about what we call “the Pontian genocide”. (Start by looking at the same link I gave above.) Perhaps the number of Greeks killed by Turks in the aftermath of that ugly war was even larger than the number of Turks killed by Greeks. But my purpose here is not to become a judge and determine which side committed more atrocities (who gave me that right?). My purpose is to explain to you, dear Greek compatriots, why Turks hate us. 
Committing an atrocity cannot be forgiven by pointing out that the enemy, too, committed atrocities against you. Two evil deeds do not cancel each other out making one innocence. This is the error Turks themselves make when they’re accused of the 1915 Armenian genocide. They say, “But Armenians killed us too!” and then they go and try to find out who killed the most people. Don’t make the same error.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was written by a Greek himself, to explain the hostility of Turks towards greeks, and he explains the involvement of Armenians in the systematic killings.<br />
&#8220;Unfortunately, our Greek ancestors didn’t exactly behave like angels. There are reports from independent, third-party sources that describe atrocities of the worst kind. For example:<br />
The American Lieutenant General James Harbord wrote, describing to the American Senate the first months of the occupation: “The Greek troops and the local Greeks who had joined them in arms started a general massacre of the Mussulmen population in which the officials and Ottoman officers and soldiers as well as the peaceful inhabitants were indiscriminately put to death.”<br />
A British officer reported (according to the historian Taner Akçam): “There was not even an organized resistance [by the Turks] at the time of the Greek occupation. Yet the Greeks are persisting in their oppression, and they have continued to burn villages, kill Turks and rape and kill women and young girls and throttle to death children.”<br />
Harold Armstrong, a British officer who was a member of the Inter-Allied Commission, reported that as the Greeks pushed out from Smynra, they massacred and raped civilians, and burned and pillaged as they went.<br />
The Inter-Allied commission stated in their report of May 23, 1921: “A distinct and regular method appears to have been followed in the destruction of villages, group by group, for the last two months, which destruction has even reached the neighbourhood of the Greek headquarters. The members of the Commission consider that, in the part of the kazas of Yalova and Gemlik occupied by the Greek army, there is a systematic plan of destruction of Turkish villages and extinction of the Muslim population. This plan is being carried out by Greek and Armenian bands, which appear to operate under Greek instructions and sometimes even with the assistance of detachments of regular troops.”<br />
But when the Turks started getting the upper hand in battles, mainly after Kemal Atatürk assumed the leadership of their army, the Greeks started retreating gradually from the lands they had occupied. By 1922 the Great Powers had changed their plans, and abandoned the Greeks in Anatolia, who now had not a good line of supplies, not even enough ammunition. They were fighting in a land they never considered theirs, whereas the Turks were fighting for what they considered their own land. That, and the fact that the Turks were getting ammunition from the newly formed Soviet Union (because Lenin naïvely thought of Atatürk as a revolutionary like him), made a big difference. The problem is, the Greeks didn’t just retreat nicely and kindly to return where they came from; they adopted the policy of leaving a scorched earth behind them. They burned villages, killed men, raped and killed women and children as they were heading back to Smyrna:<br />
Sydney Nettleton Fisher, a historian of the Middle East, wrote: “The Greek army in retreat pursued a burned-earth policy and committed every known outrage against defenceless Turkish villagers in its path”<br />
Norman M. Naimark noted: “The Greek retreat was even more devastating for the local population than the occupation.”<br />
James Loder Park, the U.S. Vice-Consul in Constantinople at the time, who toured much of the devastated area immediately after the Greek evacuation, described as follows what he saw: “Manisa&#8230; almost completely wiped out by fire&#8230; 10,300 houses, 15 mosques, 2 baths, 2,278 shops, 19 hotels, 26 villas&#8230;[destroyed]. Cassaba (Turgutlu) was a town of 40,000 souls, 3,000 of whom were non-Muslims. Of these 37,000 Turks only 6,000 could be accounted for among the living, while 1,000 Turks were known to have been shot or burned to death. Of the 2,000 buildings that constituted the city, only 200 remained standing. Ample testimony was available to the effect that the city was systematically destroyed by Greek soldiers, assisted by a number of Greek and Armenian civilians. Kerosene and gasoline were freely used to make the destruction more certain, rapid and complete. In Philadelphia (Alaşehir), hand pumps were used to soak the walls of the buildings with kerosene. As we examined the ruins of the city, we discovered a number of skulls and bones, charred and black, with remnants of hair and flesh clinging to them. Upon our insistence a number of graves having a fresh-made appearance were actually opened for us as we were fully satisfied that these bodies were not more than four weeks old.<br />
Arnold J. Toynbee, the British historian, reported that he and his wife witnessed atrocities perpetrated by Greeks in the Yalova, Gemlik, and Izmit areas. Not only did they obtain abundant material evidence in the shape of “burnt and plundered houses, recent corpses, and terror stricken survivors”, but also witnessed robbery by Greek civilians and arsons by Greek soldiers in uniform, caught in the act of perpetration.<br />
Marjorie Housepian wrote that 4,000 Smyrna Muslims were killed by Greek forces.<br />
Johannes Kolmodin, a Swedish orientalist in Smyrna, wrote in his letters that the Greek army had burned 250 Turkish villages.<br />
Of course I am aware of atrocities committed by Turks against Greeks (the civilians, not the army) after the Turks started getting the upper hand in that war. Of course I know about what we call “the Pontian genocide”. (Start by looking at the same link I gave above.) Perhaps the number of Greeks killed by Turks in the aftermath of that ugly war was even larger than the number of Turks killed by Greeks. But my purpose here is not to become a judge and determine which side committed more atrocities (who gave me that right?). My purpose is to explain to you, dear Greek compatriots, why Turks hate us.<br />
Committing an atrocity cannot be forgiven by pointing out that the enemy, too, committed atrocities against you. Two evil deeds do not cancel each other out making one innocence. This is the error Turks themselves make when they’re accused of the 1915 Armenian genocide. They say, “But Armenians killed us too!” and then they go and try to find out who killed the most people. Don’t make the same error.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: IC</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I will not deny the Armenian genocide, but we cannot deny the other part of history where Turks got slaughtered by Greeks and aided by Armenians when they were the most vulnerable since the empire was fighting a war on all fronts. Two wrongs don&#039;t make a right, Turks cannot use that as a justification for their actions to not recognize the Genocide, but if Armenians or Greeks cannot recognize the slaughter of Turks, then to me this is just a politically motivated interests. If you just spend the time to atleast hear the other side of history, which isn&#039;t Turkish history or not even written by a Turk themselves, but actually a Greek, you can atleast understand where the Turks come from and their discontent of this whole situation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will not deny the Armenian genocide, but we cannot deny the other part of history where Turks got slaughtered by Greeks and aided by Armenians when they were the most vulnerable since the empire was fighting a war on all fronts. Two wrongs don&#8217;t make a right, Turks cannot use that as a justification for their actions to not recognize the Genocide, but if Armenians or Greeks cannot recognize the slaughter of Turks, then to me this is just a politically motivated interests. If you just spend the time to atleast hear the other side of history, which isn&#8217;t Turkish history or not even written by a Turk themselves, but actually a Greek, you can atleast understand where the Turks come from and their discontent of this whole situation.</p>
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		<title>By: IC</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/turkey-accuses-egypt-of-massacre-egypt-responds-by-endorsing-armenian-genocide-declaration/comment-page-1/#comment-5266312</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This was written by a Greek himself, to explain the hostility of Turks towards greeks, and he explains the involvement of Armenians in the systematic killings.
&quot;Unfortunately, our Greek ancestors didn’t exactly behave like angels. There are reports from independent, third-party sources that describe atrocities of the worst kind. For example:
The American Lieutenant General James Harbord wrote, describing to the American Senate the first months of the occupation: “The Greek troops and the local Greeks who had joined them in arms started a general massacre of the Mussulmen population in which the officials and Ottoman officers and soldiers as well as the peaceful inhabitants were indiscriminately put to death.”
A British officer reported (according to the historian Taner Akçam): “There was not even an organized resistance [by the Turks] at the time of the Greek occupation. Yet the Greeks are persisting in their oppression, and they have continued to burn villages, kill Turks and rape and kill women and young girls and throttle to death children.” 
Harold Armstrong, a British officer who was a member of the Inter-Allied Commission, reported that as the Greeks pushed out from Smynra, they massacred and raped civilians, and burned and pillaged as they went.
The Inter-Allied commission stated in their report of May 23, 1921: “A distinct and regular method appears to have been followed in the destruction of villages, group by group, for the last two months, which destruction has even reached the neighbourhood of the Greek headquarters. The members of the Commission consider that, in the part of the kazas of Yalova and Gemlik occupied by the Greek army, there is a systematic plan of destruction of Turkish villages and extinction of the Muslim population. This plan is being carried out by Greek and Armenian bands, which appear to operate under Greek instructions and sometimes even with the assistance of detachments of regular troops.” 
But when the Turks started getting the upper hand in battles, mainly after Kemal Atatürk assumed the leadership of their army, the Greeks started retreating gradually from the lands they had occupied. By 1922 the Great Powers had changed their plans, and abandoned the Greeks in Anatolia, who now had not a good line of supplies, not even enough ammunition. They were fighting in a land they never considered theirs, whereas the Turks were fighting for what they considered their own land. That, and the fact that the Turks were getting ammunition from the newly formed Soviet Union (because Lenin naïvely thought of Atatürk as a revolutionary like him), made a big difference. The problem is, the Greeks didn’t just retreat nicely and kindly to return where they came from; they adopted the policy of leaving a scorched earth behind them. They burned villages, killed men, raped and killed women and children as they were heading back to Smyrna:
Sydney Nettleton Fisher, a historian of the Middle East, wrote: “The Greek army in retreat pursued a burned-earth policy and committed every known outrage against defenceless Turkish villagers in its path” 
Norman M. Naimark noted: “The Greek retreat was even more devastating for the local population than the occupation.” 
James Loder Park, the U.S. Vice-Consul in Constantinople at the time, who toured much of the devastated area immediately after the Greek evacuation, described as follows what he saw: “Manisa... almost completely wiped out by fire... 10,300 houses, 15 mosques, 2 baths, 2,278 shops, 19 hotels, 26 villas...[destroyed]. Cassaba (Turgutlu) was a town of 40,000 souls, 3,000 of whom were non-Muslims. Of these 37,000 Turks only 6,000 could be accounted for among the living, while 1,000 Turks were known to have been shot or burned to death. Of the 2,000 buildings that constituted the city, only 200 remained standing. Ample testimony was available to the effect that the city was systematically destroyed by Greek soldiers, assisted by a number of Greek and Armenian civilians. Kerosene and gasoline were freely used to make the destruction more certain, rapid and complete. In Philadelphia (Alaşehir), hand pumps were used to soak the walls of the buildings with kerosene. As we examined the ruins of the city, we discovered a number of skulls and bones, charred and black, with remnants of hair and flesh clinging to them. Upon our insistence a number of graves having a fresh-made appearance were actually opened for us as we were fully satisfied that these bodies were not more than four weeks old.
Arnold J. Toynbee, the British historian, reported that he and his wife witnessed atrocities perpetrated by Greeks in the Yalova, Gemlik, and Izmit areas. Not only did they obtain abundant material evidence in the shape of “burnt and plundered houses, recent corpses, and terror stricken survivors”, but also witnessed robbery by Greek civilians and arsons by Greek soldiers in uniform, caught in the act of perpetration. 
Marjorie Housepian wrote that 4,000 Smyrna Muslims were killed by Greek forces. 
Johannes Kolmodin, a Swedish orientalist in Smyrna, wrote in his letters that the Greek army had burned 250 Turkish villages.
Of course I am aware of atrocities committed by Turks against Greeks (the civilians, not the army) after the Turks started getting the upper hand in that war. Of course I know about what we call “the Pontian genocide”. (Start by looking at the same link I gave above.) Perhaps the number of Greeks killed by Turks in the aftermath of that ugly war was even larger than the number of Turks killed by Greeks. But my purpose here is not to become a judge and determine which side committed more atrocities (who gave me that right?). My purpose is to explain to you, dear Greek compatriots, why Turks hate us. 
Committing an atrocity cannot be forgiven by pointing out that the enemy, too, committed atrocities against you. Two evil deeds do not cancel each other out making one innocence. This is the error Turks themselves make when they’re accused of the 1915 Armenian genocide. They say, “But Armenians killed us too!” and then they go and try to find out who killed the most people. Don’t make the same error.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was written by a Greek himself, to explain the hostility of Turks towards greeks, and he explains the involvement of Armenians in the systematic killings.<br />
&#8220;Unfortunately, our Greek ancestors didn’t exactly behave like angels. There are reports from independent, third-party sources that describe atrocities of the worst kind. For example:<br />
The American Lieutenant General James Harbord wrote, describing to the American Senate the first months of the occupation: “The Greek troops and the local Greeks who had joined them in arms started a general massacre of the Mussulmen population in which the officials and Ottoman officers and soldiers as well as the peaceful inhabitants were indiscriminately put to death.”<br />
A British officer reported (according to the historian Taner Akçam): “There was not even an organized resistance [by the Turks] at the time of the Greek occupation. Yet the Greeks are persisting in their oppression, and they have continued to burn villages, kill Turks and rape and kill women and young girls and throttle to death children.”<br />
Harold Armstrong, a British officer who was a member of the Inter-Allied Commission, reported that as the Greeks pushed out from Smynra, they massacred and raped civilians, and burned and pillaged as they went.<br />
The Inter-Allied commission stated in their report of May 23, 1921: “A distinct and regular method appears to have been followed in the destruction of villages, group by group, for the last two months, which destruction has even reached the neighbourhood of the Greek headquarters. The members of the Commission consider that, in the part of the kazas of Yalova and Gemlik occupied by the Greek army, there is a systematic plan of destruction of Turkish villages and extinction of the Muslim population. This plan is being carried out by Greek and Armenian bands, which appear to operate under Greek instructions and sometimes even with the assistance of detachments of regular troops.”<br />
But when the Turks started getting the upper hand in battles, mainly after Kemal Atatürk assumed the leadership of their army, the Greeks started retreating gradually from the lands they had occupied. By 1922 the Great Powers had changed their plans, and abandoned the Greeks in Anatolia, who now had not a good line of supplies, not even enough ammunition. They were fighting in a land they never considered theirs, whereas the Turks were fighting for what they considered their own land. That, and the fact that the Turks were getting ammunition from the newly formed Soviet Union (because Lenin naïvely thought of Atatürk as a revolutionary like him), made a big difference. The problem is, the Greeks didn’t just retreat nicely and kindly to return where they came from; they adopted the policy of leaving a scorched earth behind them. They burned villages, killed men, raped and killed women and children as they were heading back to Smyrna:<br />
Sydney Nettleton Fisher, a historian of the Middle East, wrote: “The Greek army in retreat pursued a burned-earth policy and committed every known outrage against defenceless Turkish villagers in its path”<br />
Norman M. Naimark noted: “The Greek retreat was even more devastating for the local population than the occupation.”<br />
James Loder Park, the U.S. Vice-Consul in Constantinople at the time, who toured much of the devastated area immediately after the Greek evacuation, described as follows what he saw: “Manisa&#8230; almost completely wiped out by fire&#8230; 10,300 houses, 15 mosques, 2 baths, 2,278 shops, 19 hotels, 26 villas&#8230;[destroyed]. Cassaba (Turgutlu) was a town of 40,000 souls, 3,000 of whom were non-Muslims. Of these 37,000 Turks only 6,000 could be accounted for among the living, while 1,000 Turks were known to have been shot or burned to death. Of the 2,000 buildings that constituted the city, only 200 remained standing. Ample testimony was available to the effect that the city was systematically destroyed by Greek soldiers, assisted by a number of Greek and Armenian civilians. Kerosene and gasoline were freely used to make the destruction more certain, rapid and complete. In Philadelphia (Alaşehir), hand pumps were used to soak the walls of the buildings with kerosene. As we examined the ruins of the city, we discovered a number of skulls and bones, charred and black, with remnants of hair and flesh clinging to them. Upon our insistence a number of graves having a fresh-made appearance were actually opened for us as we were fully satisfied that these bodies were not more than four weeks old.<br />
Arnold J. Toynbee, the British historian, reported that he and his wife witnessed atrocities perpetrated by Greeks in the Yalova, Gemlik, and Izmit areas. Not only did they obtain abundant material evidence in the shape of “burnt and plundered houses, recent corpses, and terror stricken survivors”, but also witnessed robbery by Greek civilians and arsons by Greek soldiers in uniform, caught in the act of perpetration.<br />
Marjorie Housepian wrote that 4,000 Smyrna Muslims were killed by Greek forces.<br />
Johannes Kolmodin, a Swedish orientalist in Smyrna, wrote in his letters that the Greek army had burned 250 Turkish villages.<br />
Of course I am aware of atrocities committed by Turks against Greeks (the civilians, not the army) after the Turks started getting the upper hand in that war. Of course I know about what we call “the Pontian genocide”. (Start by looking at the same link I gave above.) Perhaps the number of Greeks killed by Turks in the aftermath of that ugly war was even larger than the number of Turks killed by Greeks. But my purpose here is not to become a judge and determine which side committed more atrocities (who gave me that right?). My purpose is to explain to you, dear Greek compatriots, why Turks hate us.<br />
Committing an atrocity cannot be forgiven by pointing out that the enemy, too, committed atrocities against you. Two evil deeds do not cancel each other out making one innocence. This is the error Turks themselves make when they’re accused of the 1915 Armenian genocide. They say, “But Armenians killed us too!” and then they go and try to find out who killed the most people. Don’t make the same error.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: IC</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I will not deny the Armenian genocide, but we cannot deny the other part of history where Turks got slaughtered by Greeks and aided by Armenians when they were the most vulnerable since the empire was fighting a war on all fronts. Two wrongs don&#039;t make a right, Turks cannot use that as a justification for their actions to not recognize the Genocide, but if Armenians or Greeks cannot recognize the slaughter of Turks, then to me this is just a politically motivated interests. If you just spend the time to atleast hear the other side of history, which isn&#039;t Turkish history or not even written by a Turk themselves, but actually a Greek, you can atleast understand where the Turks come from and their discontent of this whole situation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will not deny the Armenian genocide, but we cannot deny the other part of history where Turks got slaughtered by Greeks and aided by Armenians when they were the most vulnerable since the empire was fighting a war on all fronts. Two wrongs don&#8217;t make a right, Turks cannot use that as a justification for their actions to not recognize the Genocide, but if Armenians or Greeks cannot recognize the slaughter of Turks, then to me this is just a politically motivated interests. If you just spend the time to atleast hear the other side of history, which isn&#8217;t Turkish history or not even written by a Turk themselves, but actually a Greek, you can atleast understand where the Turks come from and their discontent of this whole situation.</p>
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		<title>By: IC</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/turkey-accuses-egypt-of-massacre-egypt-responds-by-endorsing-armenian-genocide-declaration/comment-page-1/#comment-5266302</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Of course I am aware of atrocities committed by Turks against Greeks (the civilians, not the army) after the Turks started getting the upper hand in that war. Of course I know about what we call “the Pontian genocide”. (Start by looking at the same link I gave above.) Perhaps the number of Greeks killed by Turks in the aftermath of that ugly war was even larger than the number of Turks killed by Greeks. But my purpose here is not to become a judge and determine which side committed more atrocities (who gave me that right?). My purpose is to explain to you, dear Greek compatriots, why Turks hate us. 
Committing an atrocity cannot be forgiven by pointing out that the enemy, too, committed atrocities against you. Two evil deeds do not cancel each other out making one innocence. This is the error Turks themselves make when they’re accused of the 1915 Armenian genocide. They say, “But Armenians killed us too!” and then they go and try to find out who killed the most people. Don’t make the same error.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Of course I am aware of atrocities committed by Turks against Greeks (the civilians, not the army) after the Turks started getting the upper hand in that war. Of course I know about what we call “the Pontian genocide”. (Start by looking at the same link I gave above.) Perhaps the number of Greeks killed by Turks in the aftermath of that ugly war was even larger than the number of Turks killed by Greeks. But my purpose here is not to become a judge and determine which side committed more atrocities (who gave me that right?). My purpose is to explain to you, dear Greek compatriots, why Turks hate us.<br />
Committing an atrocity cannot be forgiven by pointing out that the enemy, too, committed atrocities against you. Two evil deeds do not cancel each other out making one innocence. This is the error Turks themselves make when they’re accused of the 1915 Armenian genocide. They say, “But Armenians killed us too!” and then they go and try to find out who killed the most people. Don’t make the same error.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: IC</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This was written by a Greek himself, to explain the hostility of Turks towards greeks, and he explains the involvement of Armenians in the systematic killings.
&quot;Unfortunately, our Greek ancestors didn’t exactly behave like angels. There are reports from independent, third-party sources that describe atrocities of the worst kind. For example:
The American Lieutenant General James Harbord wrote, describing to the American Senate the first months of the occupation: “The Greek troops and the local Greeks who had joined them in arms started a general massacre of the Mussulmen population in which the officials and Ottoman officers and soldiers as well as the peaceful inhabitants were indiscriminately put to death.”
A British officer reported (according to the historian Taner Akçam): “There was not even an organized resistance [by the Turks] at the time of the Greek occupation. Yet the Greeks are persisting in their oppression, and they have continued to burn villages, kill Turks and rape and kill women and young girls and throttle to death children.” 
Harold Armstrong, a British officer who was a member of the Inter-Allied Commission, reported that as the Greeks pushed out from Smynra, they massacred and raped civilians, and burned and pillaged as they went.
The Inter-Allied commission stated in their report of May 23, 1921: “A distinct and regular method appears to have been followed in the destruction of villages, group by group, for the last two months, which destruction has even reached the neighbourhood of the Greek headquarters. The members of the Commission consider that, in the part of the kazas of Yalova and Gemlik occupied by the Greek army, there is a systematic plan of destruction of Turkish villages and extinction of the Muslim population. This plan is being carried out by Greek and Armenian bands, which appear to operate under Greek instructions and sometimes even with the assistance of detachments of regular troops.” 
But when the Turks started getting the upper hand in battles, mainly after Kemal Atatürk assumed the leadership of their army, the Greeks started retreating gradually from the lands they had occupied. By 1922 the Great Powers had changed their plans, and abandoned the Greeks in Anatolia, who now had not a good line of supplies, not even enough ammunition. They were fighting in a land they never considered theirs, whereas the Turks were fighting for what they considered their own land. That, and the fact that the Turks were getting ammunition from the newly formed Soviet Union (because Lenin naïvely thought of Atatürk as a revolutionary like him), made a big difference. The problem is, the Greeks didn’t just retreat nicely and kindly to return where they came from; they adopted the policy of leaving a scorched earth behind them. They burned villages, killed men, raped and killed women and children as they were heading back to Smyrna:
Sydney Nettleton Fisher, a historian of the Middle East, wrote: “The Greek army in retreat pursued a burned-earth policy and committed every known outrage against defenceless Turkish villagers in its path” 
Norman M. Naimark noted: “The Greek retreat was even more devastating for the local population than the occupation.” 
James Loder Park, the U.S. Vice-Consul in Constantinople at the time, who toured much of the devastated area immediately after the Greek evacuation, described as follows what he saw: “Manisa... almost completely wiped out by fire... 10,300 houses, 15 mosques, 2 baths, 2,278 shops, 19 hotels, 26 villas...[destroyed]. Cassaba (Turgutlu) was a town of 40,000 souls, 3,000 of whom were non-Muslims. Of these 37,000 Turks only 6,000 could be accounted for among the living, while 1,000 Turks were known to have been shot or burned to death. Of the 2,000 buildings that constituted the city, only 200 remained standing. Ample testimony was available to the effect that the city was systematically destroyed by Greek soldiers, assisted by a number of Greek and Armenian civilians. Kerosene and gasoline were freely used to make the destruction more certain, rapid and complete. In Philadelphia (Alaşehir), hand pumps were used to soak the walls of the buildings with kerosene. As we examined the ruins of the city, we discovered a number of skulls and bones, charred and black, with remnants of hair and flesh clinging to them. Upon our insistence a number of graves having a fresh-made appearance were actually opened for us as we were fully satisfied that these bodies were not more than four weeks old.
Arnold J. Toynbee, the British historian, reported that he and his wife witnessed atrocities perpetrated by Greeks in the Yalova, Gemlik, and Izmit areas. Not only did they obtain abundant material evidence in the shape of “burnt and plundered houses, recent corpses, and terror stricken survivors”, but also witnessed robbery by Greek civilians and arsons by Greek soldiers in uniform, caught in the act of perpetration. 
Marjorie Housepian wrote that 4,000 Smyrna Muslims were killed by Greek forces. 
Johannes Kolmodin, a Swedish orientalist in Smyrna, wrote in his letters that the Greek army had burned 250 Turkish villages.
Of course I am aware of atrocities committed by Turks against Greeks (the civilians, not the army) after the Turks started getting the upper hand in that war. Of course I know about what we call “the Pontian genocide”. (Start by looking at the same link I gave above.) Perhaps the number of Greeks killed by Turks in the aftermath of that ugly war was even larger than the number of Turks killed by Greeks. But my purpose here is not to become a judge and determine which side committed more atrocities (who gave me that right?). My purpose is to explain to you, dear Greek compatriots, why Turks hate us. 
Committing an atrocity cannot be forgiven by pointing out that the enemy, too, committed atrocities against you. Two evil deeds do not cancel each other out making one innocence. This is the error Turks themselves make when they’re accused of the 1915 Armenian genocide. They say, “But Armenians killed us too!” and then they go and try to find out who killed the most people. Don’t make the same error.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was written by a Greek himself, to explain the hostility of Turks towards greeks, and he explains the involvement of Armenians in the systematic killings.<br />
&#8220;Unfortunately, our Greek ancestors didn’t exactly behave like angels. There are reports from independent, third-party sources that describe atrocities of the worst kind. For example:<br />
The American Lieutenant General James Harbord wrote, describing to the American Senate the first months of the occupation: “The Greek troops and the local Greeks who had joined them in arms started a general massacre of the Mussulmen population in which the officials and Ottoman officers and soldiers as well as the peaceful inhabitants were indiscriminately put to death.”<br />
A British officer reported (according to the historian Taner Akçam): “There was not even an organized resistance [by the Turks] at the time of the Greek occupation. Yet the Greeks are persisting in their oppression, and they have continued to burn villages, kill Turks and rape and kill women and young girls and throttle to death children.”<br />
Harold Armstrong, a British officer who was a member of the Inter-Allied Commission, reported that as the Greeks pushed out from Smynra, they massacred and raped civilians, and burned and pillaged as they went.<br />
The Inter-Allied commission stated in their report of May 23, 1921: “A distinct and regular method appears to have been followed in the destruction of villages, group by group, for the last two months, which destruction has even reached the neighbourhood of the Greek headquarters. The members of the Commission consider that, in the part of the kazas of Yalova and Gemlik occupied by the Greek army, there is a systematic plan of destruction of Turkish villages and extinction of the Muslim population. This plan is being carried out by Greek and Armenian bands, which appear to operate under Greek instructions and sometimes even with the assistance of detachments of regular troops.”<br />
But when the Turks started getting the upper hand in battles, mainly after Kemal Atatürk assumed the leadership of their army, the Greeks started retreating gradually from the lands they had occupied. By 1922 the Great Powers had changed their plans, and abandoned the Greeks in Anatolia, who now had not a good line of supplies, not even enough ammunition. They were fighting in a land they never considered theirs, whereas the Turks were fighting for what they considered their own land. That, and the fact that the Turks were getting ammunition from the newly formed Soviet Union (because Lenin naïvely thought of Atatürk as a revolutionary like him), made a big difference. The problem is, the Greeks didn’t just retreat nicely and kindly to return where they came from; they adopted the policy of leaving a scorched earth behind them. They burned villages, killed men, raped and killed women and children as they were heading back to Smyrna:<br />
Sydney Nettleton Fisher, a historian of the Middle East, wrote: “The Greek army in retreat pursued a burned-earth policy and committed every known outrage against defenceless Turkish villagers in its path”<br />
Norman M. Naimark noted: “The Greek retreat was even more devastating for the local population than the occupation.”<br />
James Loder Park, the U.S. Vice-Consul in Constantinople at the time, who toured much of the devastated area immediately after the Greek evacuation, described as follows what he saw: “Manisa&#8230; almost completely wiped out by fire&#8230; 10,300 houses, 15 mosques, 2 baths, 2,278 shops, 19 hotels, 26 villas&#8230;[destroyed]. Cassaba (Turgutlu) was a town of 40,000 souls, 3,000 of whom were non-Muslims. Of these 37,000 Turks only 6,000 could be accounted for among the living, while 1,000 Turks were known to have been shot or burned to death. Of the 2,000 buildings that constituted the city, only 200 remained standing. Ample testimony was available to the effect that the city was systematically destroyed by Greek soldiers, assisted by a number of Greek and Armenian civilians. Kerosene and gasoline were freely used to make the destruction more certain, rapid and complete. In Philadelphia (Alaşehir), hand pumps were used to soak the walls of the buildings with kerosene. As we examined the ruins of the city, we discovered a number of skulls and bones, charred and black, with remnants of hair and flesh clinging to them. Upon our insistence a number of graves having a fresh-made appearance were actually opened for us as we were fully satisfied that these bodies were not more than four weeks old.<br />
Arnold J. Toynbee, the British historian, reported that he and his wife witnessed atrocities perpetrated by Greeks in the Yalova, Gemlik, and Izmit areas. Not only did they obtain abundant material evidence in the shape of “burnt and plundered houses, recent corpses, and terror stricken survivors”, but also witnessed robbery by Greek civilians and arsons by Greek soldiers in uniform, caught in the act of perpetration.<br />
Marjorie Housepian wrote that 4,000 Smyrna Muslims were killed by Greek forces.<br />
Johannes Kolmodin, a Swedish orientalist in Smyrna, wrote in his letters that the Greek army had burned 250 Turkish villages.<br />
Of course I am aware of atrocities committed by Turks against Greeks (the civilians, not the army) after the Turks started getting the upper hand in that war. Of course I know about what we call “the Pontian genocide”. (Start by looking at the same link I gave above.) Perhaps the number of Greeks killed by Turks in the aftermath of that ugly war was even larger than the number of Turks killed by Greeks. But my purpose here is not to become a judge and determine which side committed more atrocities (who gave me that right?). My purpose is to explain to you, dear Greek compatriots, why Turks hate us.<br />
Committing an atrocity cannot be forgiven by pointing out that the enemy, too, committed atrocities against you. Two evil deeds do not cancel each other out making one innocence. This is the error Turks themselves make when they’re accused of the 1915 Armenian genocide. They say, “But Armenians killed us too!” and then they go and try to find out who killed the most people. Don’t make the same error.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: IC</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/turkey-accuses-egypt-of-massacre-egypt-responds-by-endorsing-armenian-genocide-declaration/comment-page-1/#comment-5266284</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 16:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Park concluded as follows:

“The destruction of the interior cities visited by our party was carried out by Greeks. 

“The percentages of buildings destroyed in each of the last four cities referred to were: Manisa 90 percent, Cassaba (Turgutlu) 90 percent, Philadelphia (Alaşehir) 70 percent, Salihli 65 percent. 

“The burning of these cities was not desultory, nor intermittent, nor accidental, but well planned and thoroughly organized. 

“There were many instances of physical violence, most of which was deliberate and wanton. Without complete figures, which were impossible to obtain, it may safely be surmised that atrocities committed by retiring Greeks numbered well into thousands in the four cities under consideration. These consisted of all three of the usual type of such atrocities, namely murder, torture and rape.” 

Those are just a few of the reports of atrocities committed by our ancestors against Turks. You can find them all in this Wikipedia page, which is a good starting point. And since you are so good in heroic cyber-battles, my brave young Greek cyber-warriors, you may go and dig up more information from the Internet, which is all available at your fingertips. Learn first, reserve judgment for later.

Of course I am aware of atrocities committed by Turks against Greeks (the civilians, not the army) after the Turks started getting the upper hand in that war. Of course I know about what we call “the Pontian genocide”. (Start by looking at the same link I gave above.) Perhaps the number of Greeks killed by Turks in the aftermath of that ugly war was even larger than the number of Turks killed by Greeks. But my purpose here is not to become a judge and determine which side committed more atrocities (who gave me that right?). My purpose is to explain to you, dear Greek compatriots, why Turks hate us.

Committing an atrocity cannot be forgiven by pointing out that the enemy, too, committed atrocities against you. Two evil deeds do not cancel each other out making one innocence. This is the error Turks themselves make when they’re accused of the 1915 Armenian genocide. They say, “But Armenians killed us too!” and then they go and try to find out who killed the most people. Don’t make the same error.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Park concluded as follows:</p>
<p>“The destruction of the interior cities visited by our party was carried out by Greeks. </p>
<p>“The percentages of buildings destroyed in each of the last four cities referred to were: Manisa 90 percent, Cassaba (Turgutlu) 90 percent, Philadelphia (Alaşehir) 70 percent, Salihli 65 percent. </p>
<p>“The burning of these cities was not desultory, nor intermittent, nor accidental, but well planned and thoroughly organized. </p>
<p>“There were many instances of physical violence, most of which was deliberate and wanton. Without complete figures, which were impossible to obtain, it may safely be surmised that atrocities committed by retiring Greeks numbered well into thousands in the four cities under consideration. These consisted of all three of the usual type of such atrocities, namely murder, torture and rape.” </p>
<p>Those are just a few of the reports of atrocities committed by our ancestors against Turks. You can find them all in this Wikipedia page, which is a good starting point. And since you are so good in heroic cyber-battles, my brave young Greek cyber-warriors, you may go and dig up more information from the Internet, which is all available at your fingertips. Learn first, reserve judgment for later.</p>
<p>Of course I am aware of atrocities committed by Turks against Greeks (the civilians, not the army) after the Turks started getting the upper hand in that war. Of course I know about what we call “the Pontian genocide”. (Start by looking at the same link I gave above.) Perhaps the number of Greeks killed by Turks in the aftermath of that ugly war was even larger than the number of Turks killed by Greeks. But my purpose here is not to become a judge and determine which side committed more atrocities (who gave me that right?). My purpose is to explain to you, dear Greek compatriots, why Turks hate us.</p>
<p>Committing an atrocity cannot be forgiven by pointing out that the enemy, too, committed atrocities against you. Two evil deeds do not cancel each other out making one innocence. This is the error Turks themselves make when they’re accused of the 1915 Armenian genocide. They say, “But Armenians killed us too!” and then they go and try to find out who killed the most people. Don’t make the same error.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: IC</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 16:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This was written by a Greek himself, to explain the hostility of Turks towards greeks, and he explains the involvement of Armenians in the systematic killings.

&quot;Unfortunately, our Greek ancestors didn’t exactly behave like angels. There are reports from independent, third-party sources that describe atrocities of the worst kind. For example:

The American Lieutenant General James Harbord wrote, describing to the American Senate the first months of the occupation: “The Greek troops and the local Greeks who had joined them in arms started a general massacre of the Mussulmen population in which the officials and Ottoman officers and soldiers as well as the peaceful inhabitants were indiscriminately put to death.” 

A British officer reported (according to the historian Taner Akçam): “There was not even an organized resistance [by the Turks] at the time of the Greek occupation. Yet the Greeks are persisting in their oppression, and they have continued to burn villages, kill Turks and rape and kill women and young girls and throttle to death children.” 

Harold Armstrong, a British officer who was a member of the Inter-Allied Commission, reported that as the Greeks pushed out from Smynra, they massacred and raped civilians, and burned and pillaged as they went. 

Arnold J. Toynbee, the British historian, reported that he and his wife witnessed atrocities perpetrated by Greeks in the Yalova, Gemlik, and Izmit areas.  Not only did they obtain abundant material evidence in the shape of “burnt and plundered houses, recent corpses, and terror stricken survivors”, but also witnessed robbery by Greek civilians and arsons by Greek soldiers in uniform, caught in the act of perpetration. 

Marjorie Housepian wrote that 4,000 Smyrna Muslims were killed by Greek forces. 

Johannes Kolmodin, a Swedish orientalist in Smyrna, wrote in his letters that the Greek army had burned 250 Turkish villages. 

The Inter-Allied commission stated in their report of May 23, 1921: “A distinct and regular method appears to have been followed in the destruction of villages, group by group, for the last two months, which destruction has even reached the neighbourhood of the Greek headquarters. The members of the Commission consider that, in the part of the kazas of Yalova and Gemlik occupied by the Greek army, there is a systematic plan of destruction of Turkish villages and extinction of the Muslim population. This plan is being carried out by Greek and Armenian bands, which appear to operate under Greek instructions and sometimes even with the assistance of detachments of regular troops.” 

But when the Turks started getting the upper hand in battles, mainly after Kemal Atatürk assumed the leadership of their army, the Greeks started retreating gradually from the lands they had occupied. By 1922 the Great Powers had changed their plans, and abandoned the Greeks in Anatolia, who now had not a good line of supplies, not even enough ammunition. They were fighting in a land they never considered theirs, whereas the Turks were fighting for what they considered their own land. That, and the fact that the Turks were getting ammunition from the newly formed Soviet Union (because Lenin naïvely thought of Atatürk as a revolutionary like him), made a big difference. The problem is, the Greeks didn’t just retreat nicely and kindly to return where they came from; they adopted the policy of leaving a scorched earth behind them. They burned villages, killed men, raped and killed women and children as they were heading back to Smyrna:

Sydney Nettleton Fisher, a historian of the Middle East, wrote: “The Greek army in retreat pursued a burned-earth policy and committed every known outrage against defenceless Turkish villagers in its path” 

Norman M. Naimark noted: “The Greek retreat was even more devastating for the local population than the occupation.” 

James Loder Park, the U.S. Vice-Consul in Constantinople at the time, who toured much of the devastated area immediately after the Greek evacuation, described as follows what he saw: “Manisa... almost completely wiped out by fire... 10,300 houses, 15 mosques, 2 baths, 2,278 shops, 19 hotels, 26 villas...[destroyed]. Cassaba (Turgutlu) was a town of 40,000 souls, 3,000 of whom were non-Muslims. Of these 37,000 Turks only 6,000 could be accounted for among the living, while 1,000 Turks were known to have been shot or burned to death. Of the 2,000 buildings that constituted the city, only 200 remained standing. Ample testimony was available to the effect that the city was systematically destroyed by Greek soldiers, assisted by a number of Greek and Armenian civilians. Kerosene and gasoline were freely used to make the destruction more certain, rapid and complete. In Philadelphia (Alaşehir), hand pumps were used to soak the walls of the buildings with kerosene. As we examined the ruins of the city, we discovered a number of skulls and bones, charred and black, with remnants of hair and flesh clinging to them. Upon our insistence a number of graves having a fresh-made appearance were actually opened for us as we were fully satisfied that these bodies were not more than four weeks old. [the time of the Greek retreat through Philadelphia]” 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was written by a Greek himself, to explain the hostility of Turks towards greeks, and he explains the involvement of Armenians in the systematic killings.</p>
<p>&#8220;Unfortunately, our Greek ancestors didn’t exactly behave like angels. There are reports from independent, third-party sources that describe atrocities of the worst kind. For example:</p>
<p>The American Lieutenant General James Harbord wrote, describing to the American Senate the first months of the occupation: “The Greek troops and the local Greeks who had joined them in arms started a general massacre of the Mussulmen population in which the officials and Ottoman officers and soldiers as well as the peaceful inhabitants were indiscriminately put to death.” </p>
<p>A British officer reported (according to the historian Taner Akçam): “There was not even an organized resistance [by the Turks] at the time of the Greek occupation. Yet the Greeks are persisting in their oppression, and they have continued to burn villages, kill Turks and rape and kill women and young girls and throttle to death children.” </p>
<p>Harold Armstrong, a British officer who was a member of the Inter-Allied Commission, reported that as the Greeks pushed out from Smynra, they massacred and raped civilians, and burned and pillaged as they went. </p>
<p>Arnold J. Toynbee, the British historian, reported that he and his wife witnessed atrocities perpetrated by Greeks in the Yalova, Gemlik, and Izmit areas.  Not only did they obtain abundant material evidence in the shape of “burnt and plundered houses, recent corpses, and terror stricken survivors”, but also witnessed robbery by Greek civilians and arsons by Greek soldiers in uniform, caught in the act of perpetration. </p>
<p>Marjorie Housepian wrote that 4,000 Smyrna Muslims were killed by Greek forces. </p>
<p>Johannes Kolmodin, a Swedish orientalist in Smyrna, wrote in his letters that the Greek army had burned 250 Turkish villages. </p>
<p>The Inter-Allied commission stated in their report of May 23, 1921: “A distinct and regular method appears to have been followed in the destruction of villages, group by group, for the last two months, which destruction has even reached the neighbourhood of the Greek headquarters. The members of the Commission consider that, in the part of the kazas of Yalova and Gemlik occupied by the Greek army, there is a systematic plan of destruction of Turkish villages and extinction of the Muslim population. This plan is being carried out by Greek and Armenian bands, which appear to operate under Greek instructions and sometimes even with the assistance of detachments of regular troops.” </p>
<p>But when the Turks started getting the upper hand in battles, mainly after Kemal Atatürk assumed the leadership of their army, the Greeks started retreating gradually from the lands they had occupied. By 1922 the Great Powers had changed their plans, and abandoned the Greeks in Anatolia, who now had not a good line of supplies, not even enough ammunition. They were fighting in a land they never considered theirs, whereas the Turks were fighting for what they considered their own land. That, and the fact that the Turks were getting ammunition from the newly formed Soviet Union (because Lenin naïvely thought of Atatürk as a revolutionary like him), made a big difference. The problem is, the Greeks didn’t just retreat nicely and kindly to return where they came from; they adopted the policy of leaving a scorched earth behind them. They burned villages, killed men, raped and killed women and children as they were heading back to Smyrna:</p>
<p>Sydney Nettleton Fisher, a historian of the Middle East, wrote: “The Greek army in retreat pursued a burned-earth policy and committed every known outrage against defenceless Turkish villagers in its path” </p>
<p>Norman M. Naimark noted: “The Greek retreat was even more devastating for the local population than the occupation.” </p>
<p>James Loder Park, the U.S. Vice-Consul in Constantinople at the time, who toured much of the devastated area immediately after the Greek evacuation, described as follows what he saw: “Manisa&#8230; almost completely wiped out by fire&#8230; 10,300 houses, 15 mosques, 2 baths, 2,278 shops, 19 hotels, 26 villas&#8230;[destroyed]. Cassaba (Turgutlu) was a town of 40,000 souls, 3,000 of whom were non-Muslims. Of these 37,000 Turks only 6,000 could be accounted for among the living, while 1,000 Turks were known to have been shot or burned to death. Of the 2,000 buildings that constituted the city, only 200 remained standing. Ample testimony was available to the effect that the city was systematically destroyed by Greek soldiers, assisted by a number of Greek and Armenian civilians. Kerosene and gasoline were freely used to make the destruction more certain, rapid and complete. In Philadelphia (Alaşehir), hand pumps were used to soak the walls of the buildings with kerosene. As we examined the ruins of the city, we discovered a number of skulls and bones, charred and black, with remnants of hair and flesh clinging to them. Upon our insistence a number of graves having a fresh-made appearance were actually opened for us as we were fully satisfied that these bodies were not more than four weeks old. [the time of the Greek retreat through Philadelphia]” </p>
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