Victim’s Family Sues Ohio Hospital for Tolerating Dangerous Pakistani Muslim Doctor

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There’s a basic problem with outsourcing medical help to the Third World. Just ask the UK’s NHS about that. Or the family of Deanna Ballman.

The family of an expectant mother, who authorities said was raped and killed by an ex-Ohio doctor, has filed a $40 million lawsuit against the physician, the hospital where he worked, and the online ad service Craigslist.

The lawsuit, filed Monday in Delaware County court by the family of Deanna Ballman, blames former doctor Ali Salim for killing Ballman by injecting her with heroin after she answered a Craigslist ad he placed for cleaning services.

The lawsuit alleges that Salim used syringes he took from Knox Community Hospital, and said Craiglist should have known Salim was dangerous because other women who previously answered his ads had reported problems.

Dr. Ali Salim is charged with murdering Deanna Ballman after she responded to a Craigslist ad. The Doctor allegedly injected the expecting mother with a lethal dose of heroin killing her and her unborn baby and later doing ‘inhumane’ things to her corpse.

The mother of two was found dead in the backseat of her car outside of New Albany on August 1. The Pakistani born doctor was charged with two counts of murder as well as rape, felonious assault, corrupting another with drugs, kidnapping, tampering with evidence and abuse of a corpse.

In Pakistan, he would be free already.

  • Mari

    well this is America and we’ll see what happens to him here! He should be taken out back and shot!!

  • trapper

    In Pakistan, he would be a hero.

  • http://www.wraithtdk.com Matthew Young

    There’s a lot about this article that doesn’t make sense:

    1. I see nothing here that ties his acts with his faith; so why did it need to be part of the headline.

    2. Did this man have a criminal history? If not, why would the hospital he worked at be liable? How would they even KNOW he was psycho?

    3. What does hiring an Ohio native qualify as “outsourcing to the third world?”

    I’m not the type of guy that sees racism everywhere; but the phrasing here seems a bit suspect…

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bryan-Schmick/100000836170959 Bryan Schmick

      1. The role of women in the Islamic faith. In much of the Sharia world, she would have been posthumously judged guilty of enticing the Dr. The thing is, if a person is brought up believing women have no more importance than a possession it shouldn’t be surprising when said person treats a female as a possession.
      2. Have to agree with you here. If there is no evidence of prior crimes, there should be no culpability. Unfortunately, in today’s society of law suits, people are encouraged to sue organizations with money. We have to many lawyers seeking to make money from faceless organizations.
      3. The US has a trend of bringing in foreign students to become doctors. Many of which stay here. The US also has a trend of bringing in foreign doctors. I agree that it is not traditional outsourcing where jobs go overseas

      • kapnlogos

        In the Christian West, self control, and resistance to wrongdoing was held up as an ideal, although not always practiced. The result is if somebody got raped, robbed or murdered we at least blamed the ‘bad actions’ on the perpetrator, not the victim.
        Bringing in foreign born people has to have an effect on how our civilization operates. You can’t put spinach and potatoes into a spaghetti maker and expect spaghetti to come out. Two things should happen: a trial with punishment, and a cessation of foreigners into this country.

        • http://www.wraithtdk.com Matthew Young

          In the Christian West, people a worshiped a Jewish man that was born in Bethlehem and broke bread with sinners and tax collectors. In the Christian West, brave men rose up to wage war against intolerant little tyrants who wanted to keep their country “pure” and sounded an awful lot like you. In the Christian West, we should really be above the type of xenophobia that permeates the Middle East.

          • kapnlogos

            Yes, some in the Christian West broke bread with sinners, and the sinners actually acknowledged they were sinners; that’s my point. Men of the West fought wars to keep invading tribes and cultures out of their countries, some of the more successful struggles are in the history books, like the Gates of Vienna, the battle of Tours, Thermopylae. You will notice there are no history books written in the native American languages, as they were ineffective at keeping foreign cultures out. Being a xenophobe isn’t the same as wanting to preserve your own culture. I speculate the relative success of Western civilization has to do with it’s beliefs, culture, and genetics. Cultures and civilizations face the same Darwinian tests as living things, and the survivors write the histories. Ignoring or not believing it doesn’t make you above it, or evil, it just makes you gone. Would the intolerant little tyrant be Attila? No? I didn’t think so.

          • http://www.wraithtdk.com Matthew Young

            “Some in the Christian West broke bread with sinners?”

            Dude, I was referring to CHRIST. You know, the guy that the CHRISTIAN part of “the Christian West” was named after? The guy that met a notably unvirtuous man named Paul and took him as one of his apostles? He broke bread with sinners and was pretty vocal about how we should treat each other. I’ll give you a hint: it didn’t sound much at all like what you advocate.

            “Men of the West fought wars to keep invading tribes and cultures out of their countries”

            Clearly I shouldn’t have been so subtle. World War II. Hitler. You know, evil little German guy? Ruined the Charlie Chaplin mustache? Believed in Christ, but just like you, didn’t really take his teachings to heart? Preached that Germany needed to be “pure” and free of foreigners? That guy?

            If there was ever a man that was the antithesis of what this country stood for, it was him. And you’re sounding a lot like him right now.

            American culture is a patchwork of a hundred other cultures. We haven’t succeeded because we kept other cultures OUT. On the contrary. We succeeded because we ADOPTED what was best about every other culture we encountered.

            PS, Thermopylae wasn’t a battle to keep foreigners out of Spartan society. It wasn’t about culture. The Persians were attempting to take their country by force. Sparta was defending itself from a direct physical attack.

          • kapnlogos

            Matthew, we have drifted from the original point about a Pakistani doctor feeling justified in raping employees, and the comments about how it would be applauded in Pakistan vs the Western notion that it would be perceived as wrong in the West.

            You weren’t being too subtle, I was trying to keep you from invoking Godwin’s Rule, and wondering how long it would take for you to actually say it.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

            Since you have entered that territory, I guess we can dispense with any other discussion. Have a nice day.

          • http://www.wraithtdk.com Matthew Young

            1. Damn near every rapist feels justified in raping their victims. That’s typically why they do it. There’s no indication that him being from Pakistan is anymore connected to his motivations than being an American is when an American rapes a woman.

            2. I know what Godwin’s law is. I’m a hold-over from Usenet days. The fact that there’s an internet rule that says something will inevitably come up does not invalidate it when it does.

            The reason Godwin’s law exists is because people so often use Hitler as an example of humanity’s capacity for evil. They do this because he is probably the most universally reviled person to ever live. They do it because the man was so clearly a vile, twisted waste of human skin that they don’t have to worry about getting side-tracked by a debate over whether or not he really was a bad person.

            Which is precisely why it’s so disturbing that you sound just like him.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bryan-Schmick/100000836170959 Bryan Schmick

            1. It’s not his Pakistani self that is the pusher for justifying his raping a dead person but his Islamic self. Did you read the article about the Muslim that was recently admitted to a hospital under emergency care after being kicked in the head by the horse he was trying to rape? The fact is that Islamism does not teach self control to the male members. It is always the females fault for enticing him.
            2. You failed the Godwin’s rule test of calling your debating opponent Hitler.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “The fact is that Islamism does not teach self control to the male members. It is always the females fault for enticing him.”

            This is why ideology and culture are always relevant when a Muslim rapes someone. People need to know these things. Not because we want to pretend that all others are better and Muslims are subhuman, but because we always want to understand criminal behavior as best we can.

            Some times it turns out that there is no discernible connection. Fine. Move on. But don’t reject valuable lessons in the name of stupid ideas like those taught in the West about multiculturalism.

          • Muhammad Waloora

            I still cant believe that you defend this wanker that says who you are another wanker

          • Edward

            “They do this because he {hitler[ is
            probably the most universally reviled person to ever live. ”

            Except for socialists and islamofascists – who have made the arabic translation of mein kampf a best seller in racist islamofascist entities.

            The way things are going, the name muhammed will join hitler in being reviled by civilized people.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Except for socialists and islamofascists – who have made the arabic translation of mein kampf a best seller in racist islamofascist entities.”

            But leftists won’t admit that, so that leaves Hitler if you want to demonize anyone you can even remotely try to associate with him. It’s a leftist thing. He’s the only one they’re allowed to demonize aside from us. He’s the only actual tyrant they can demonize because Stalin decided to.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “1. Damn near every rapist feels justified in raping their victims. That’s typically why they do it. ”

            Yes, but why do they feel justified? Some times the answers are useful. Not that we can eliminate all rape, but teaching people about causes can help us prepare potential victims to avoid some of the risks.

            And secondly, it helps us understand the implications of an underlying ideology that promotes blaming the victim, which is especially important if that ideology poses as a religion.

            “There’s no indication that him being from Pakistan is anymore connected to his motivations than being an American is when an American rapes a woman.”

            We don’t have direct evidence, but based on statistics we’d be insane to reject the questions outright. As you do.

            https://www.google.com/search?q=grooming+gangs&oq=grooming+gangs&aqs=chrome.0.57j65l3j0l2.5152j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

            Nothing to do with Pakistan, except that virtually all of them come from Pakistan.

            “Which is precisely why it’s so disturbing that you sound just like him.”

            Godwin’s law suggests that most people who use Hitler as an example do so fallaciously, just as you do. It’s not that it’s never valid, but most of the time it’s not. Here it makes you sound like one of the most deranged examples of precisely what he was complaining about.

            So if your point is that some times there are valid reasons to talk about Hitler and draw analogies, then I’d agree. But you failed completely to actually do it with legitimacy. Your comment about Hitler has zero legitimacy. You have more in common with Hitler than the regulars on this forum, starting with your use of the big lie theory.

            But whatever.

          • onecornpone

            American culture is a patchwork of a hundred other cultures.

            And all cultures were required to assimilate as a requirement of Americanization, until the Left declared war on assimilation during the ’60s hippie revolution, when multiculturalism began to be taught as a cure to the ills of racism. Fifty years later, sociologist are just now beginning to admit that multi-culti doesn’t work. People triabalize. The fire went out under the melting pot.

            Your idealism reveals you to be a child, metaphorically of course.

          • http://www.wraithtdk.com Matthew Young

            …Which does nothing to change what I said. America is the greatest country in the world. And we didn’t get that way from hiding. Our greatness comes from integrating what’s best about every other country. We’re like cultural freaking Voltron.

            We never could have done that if we tucked our heads in our shells and closed ourselves off to the world around us. You can’t build on the strengths of your neighbors by shutting them out. That’s what the middle-east does. They close themselves off to the world around them for fear of losing themselves to the influence of other countries; and look how well that’s worked out for them.

          • onecornpone

            Our greatness comes from integrating what’s best about every other country.

            WRONG!

            Our greatness came about due to our Founders having a background in philosophy, setting us on a course that included individual rights, freedom and rule of law.

            The practice of capitalism is what propelled us to unmatched prosperity such that the world has never witnessed.

          • Drakken

            Wrong!
            This country and its ideals came from western civilization, Judeo/Christian Roman/Greco philosophies with a healthy dose of the English Magna Carta. Not from Africa,South/Central America, or Asia. Good God, what the hell are they teaching you folks in those re-education camps they call schools today?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bryan-Schmick/100000836170959 Bryan Schmick

            Yes, America is the greatest country in the world. Yes, America did not get there by hiding. It got there by creating an environment where people can succeed to the best of their ability.
            The problem is that integration is no longer occurring. The philosophy of multi-culturism believing that all cultures and countries are equally great has killed integration. We are still taking the best of every culture, but these days we are also accepting the worst of every culture.

          • Muhammad Waloora

            You don’t have to be Christian to hate Islam even some Muslims hate it ask the women you wanker.

          • wri7913

            The Middle East does what it does because its following the leader (Muhammad) of its Religion (Islam). Christian persecution is highest in Islamic countries. But unfortunately its not the only place where Christians are persecuted and forbidden from practicing their faith.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “..Which does nothing to change what I said. America is the greatest country in the world. And we didn’t get that way from hiding. Our greatness comes from integrating what’s best about every other country.”

            You missed the equally important other side to that equation. We’re also great because we reject what is bad about other cultures. We used to.

            That explains precisely why things seem to be winding down so often in this country and even more so in Europe and Scandinavia: We stopped rejecting all of the bad about every other culture.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bryan-Schmick/100000836170959 Bryan Schmick

            I believe it was the 1965 immigration act that removed the previous maximum immigration by area that began the assimilation failure.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            We used to call it a melting pot and now they call it a patchwork or some other BS. No melting allowed.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            ” World War II. Hitler. You know, evil little German guy? Ruined the Charlie Chaplin mustache? Believed in Christ, but just like you, didn’t really take his teachings to heart? Preached that Germany needed to be “pure” and free of foreigners? That guy?”

            Ah yes. You’re one of those nutbags.

          • Drakken

            Import the 3rd world, we become the 3rd world.

          • Edward

            Immigrants from Turd World hellholes demand that we accommodate their primitive Turd World culture rather than they adopt local values and customs.

            If they think the US is “haram”. they can pack up their crap and leave. I suggest Eurabia.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bryan-Schmick/100000836170959 Bryan Schmick

            Self control was a key concept in kapnlogos statement. It is one of the things that separates humans from animals. The Islamic religion under Sharia Law apparently doesn’t understand that concept since showing a little ankle is permission to rape. Under Sharia Law, it takes four Islamic men to find guilt in a male while it only needs one male (including the raper) statement of accusing a female of sin by showing a little ankle. When it comes to a war on women, the Liberals should be looking in the mirror for accepting the degeneration of women into a status less than animals.

          • Muhammad Waloora

            Pure what a fucking joke you wanker pure? what pure where in Saudi Arabia? Iran? where in Pakistan wake up you wanker!

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “In the Christian West, brave men rose up to wage war against intolerant little tyrants who wanted to keep their country “pure” and sounded an awful lot like you.”

            That’s a pretty broad statement.

            “In the Christian West, we should really be above the type of xenophobia that permeates the Middle East.”

            We are. That is part of the point even though we don’t discuss it explicitly here. If we’re “xenophobic” then so are you for pointing out that “xenophobia permeates the Middle East.”

      • http://www.wraithtdk.com Matthew Young

        1. Whether or not she would have been blamed for her fate does not prove or even imply a link to his motivations. Pervasive misogyny in a person’s religion does not prove that is the motivation. He’s hardly the first psycho to commit an atrocity against a woman.

        Correlation does not equal causation; and if there’s any specific evidence that points to his faith being his motivation, it’s not presented here; and certainly SHOULD be if such allegations or implications are going to be made. Objectivitism is the intellectual responsibility of all honest people.

        2. First of all, let me tell you from experience – the US does not make it easy for ANYONE to legally immigrate here. My wife is from Canada and comes from a family of police officers and RCMPs, and the process took us FOREVER, and THAT was with the easiest country in the world TO immigrate from using the easiest METHOD in the world (IE marrying a born citizen).

        Secondly, if people intelligent enough to get an MD from an American university want to come here LEGALLY, pay for their own education, and then become tax-paying, contributing members of society, I say let them. That’s the essence of America.

        Regardless, like you said, it’s absolutely not outsourcing. Outsourcing is takes a job away from an American, their salary out of the American economy, and the taxes that would have come from said salary away from the government. It is, in my opinion, the single biggest economic problem we face. Giving a job to a tax-paying, legal citizen that happens to be from (or descended from) another country does not fit the bill.

        • onecornpone

          Civil society requires a few generations to properly develop. Jerking third-world barbarians into our world, expecting them to capably cope, because they happen to have above average learning skills is ludicrous.

          BTW, I have personally witnessed uncivil, dangerous behavior resulting from the culture shock backward, overwhelmed immigrants face.

          The ultimate proof of your convictions would be for you to seek out a Paki physician for your family. We’ll see how “objective” you are after a few years.

          I have dealt with some very highly recommended Mid Eastern and Chinese doctors, and I can tell you, they will be perfect facilitators for o-hole’s death panels.

          • http://www.wraithtdk.com Matthew Young

            Seriously? We’re still calling people from Pakistan barbarians? What CENTURY are you from?

            Oh, you’ve personally witness “uncivil, dangerous behavior resulting from the culture shock backward, overwhelmed immigrants face?” I’ve personally been the VICTIM of the uncivil, dangerous behavior resulting from the outdated ignorance that backward, racist people such as yourself carry.

            I’ll take a single sharp mind from backwards country over a weak, corrupt one from a prosperous nation any day.

          • onecornpone

            We’re still calling people from Pakistan barbarians?

            In a word, YES! At least those of us who are informed are.

            Read this: http://irinnews,org/report/77069/pakistan-mindset-change-key-to-changing-rural

            I live in rural America. We haven’t dug shallow holes around our houses to crap in in over a hundred years.

            Your rabid incivility is outrageous, which proves you are here for nothing more than to throw bombs.

            Go pump some “iron” skooter. I’m convinced you are a 130 pound, snow white asthmatic, with a pocket protector.

          • http://www.wraithtdk.com Matthew Young

            No, you just spew your crap all over the internet instead. MY incivility? You’re openly racist. You called millions of people savages because of the location they were born in. Your hypocrisy is astounding.

            As for me being 130 pounds and snow white, you realize there’s a little picture of me next to my comments, right?

          • onecornpone

            You’re openly racist.

            NO, I’m discerning, informed and perhaps opinionated – but NOT racist.

            I called NO one a “savage” skooter. THAT is ALL YOU! Quote me correctly, or STHU.

          • http://www.wraithtdk.com Matthew Young

            Fine, you called millions of people barbarians because of the location they were born in. Not exactly better. Your are ridiculously, transparently, BLATANTLY racist. You’re like a step away from a white hood a burning cross.

          • onecornpone

            barbarian: of or relating to a land, culture, or people alien and usually believed to be inferior to another land, culture, or people.

            Example: http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/12/27/pakistan.sherif/

            Economically Pakistan rates 17th in world GDP
            If Texas was a country she would rate 14th.

            It must be frustrating for you, being unable to intimidate with your repeated, unfounded characterizations of those with whom you disagree, as racist.

            Scream it louder, in BOLD CAPS if you please. Playing the race card these days is akin to the childhood fable of the little boy who cried wolf.

            Skooter, it is clear you don’t have one single clue what real racism is. You might be able to intimidate a Lefty with your histrionics, but you are wasting your breath here.

          • Drakken

            I do love that part in the ending of the little boy who cried wolf, the wolf eats well.

          • http://www.wraithtdk.com Matthew Young

            1. Congratulations, you proved that things suck in Pakistan. Here’s the problem: I never said things didn’t suck in Pakistan. Just because someone comes from a place that sucks doesn’t mean THEY do.

            2. “Unfounded?” You think being born in Pakistan makes you a barbarian incapable of coping with life in America. You’re ridiculously racist. You’re like some cartoonish walking stereotype. You’re the type of person liberals gain support by claiming the rest of us are.

            3. As I’ve told your buddies, it’s not “playing the race card” when the entire topic of conversation is racism. Playing the race card is using race to gain an advantage IN A CONVERSATION OTHERWISE UNRELATED TO RACE.

          • onecornpone

            Thanks for your concession, although you had little choice after I cited the 2009 “Human Rights” report.

            With that revelation, you lost your basis for characterizing me “racist”, since I clearly demonstrated that Pakistan truly is a third-world, barbaric backwater.

            Astonishingly you lacked that knowledge. We ain’t Ned in the 1st Reader here, skooter.

            Methinks you are a “one trick pony”, endeavoring to establish your exceptionalism as a crusader against “racism”, which would be admirable if you were able to resist the frothing foolishness and cite salient facts .

            You are out of your league here, kiddo.

          • http://www.wraithtdk.com Matthew Young

            1. It’s not a concession, it was never a point of contention to begin with. That’s what you don’t seem able to grasp: I never said Pakistan was a great place.

            You can site whatever you what, it’s still a straw-man argument.

            2. No, I didn’t lose my basis for characterizing your as racist. Pakistan is a country. Being born in that country doesn’t make part of the cause, or a supporter of, that country’s problems. Being born in a backwards land does not make you a savage. Heck, that’s WHY a lot of them want to come HERE. Because they come from a backwards, under-developed country, and REALIZE it’s a backwards, under-developed country, and – because they are NOT savages – have a drive to build a better life for themselves.

            This is NOT a complicated concept. Your place of birth, your citizenship; these things do not define a man. You’ve no right to condemn someone for being unfortunate enough to be born somewhere crappy. We are each responsible for our own actions; no one else’s. We are each accountable for our own actions; no one else’s. And we each of the ethical right to treat people according to their own actions, and no one else’s.

          • Drakken

            The problem your having and playing mental gymnastics with is, the 3rd world are bringing their 3rd world ideals and expect the rest of us to respect them for it, sorry, but I am one of those that refuse to be brought back to the dark ages.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “1. It’s not a concession, it was never a point of contention to begin with. That’s what you don’t seem able to grasp: I never said Pakistan was a great place.”

            Racist.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Being born in a backwards land does not make you a savage. Heck, that’s WHY a lot of them want to come HERE. Because they come from a backwards, under-developed country, and REALIZE it’s a backwards, under-developed country…”

            Why is it backwards and relatively undeveloped? Because of so many racists who won’t trade with them? Is it because the nation is so new, people just moved there, they are at some disadvantage with regard to resources…what’s your theory?

            Were they cut off from modern civilization for some long that we need to give them more time to catch up and “evolve?”

            What’s your theory? How do you explain these issues?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “1. Congratulations, you proved that things suck in Pakistan. Here’s the problem: I never said things didn’t suck in Pakistan. Just because someone comes from a place that sucks doesn’t mean THEY do.”

            What’s your theory about why an ancient culture failed to evolve and adapt to modernism?

            We’re trying to explain our theories and rather than opposing those theories objectively you call us racist.

            “3. As I’ve told your buddies, it’s not “playing the race card” when the entire topic of conversation is racism. Playing the race card is using race to gain an advantage IN A CONVERSATION OTHERWISE UNRELATED TO RACE.”

            That is what you’re doing. Ever hear of India? Why does India escape most of the criticism that Pakistan has to endure? Please explain the racial distinctions between India and Pakistan.

          • Drakken

            Your liberal skirt is showing Sparky, every time one of you regressives throw out the race card, it invalidates your argument.

          • http://www.wraithtdk.com Matthew Young

            “The race card?” THE ENTIRE ISSUE IS RACE. Talking about it is not “playing the race card.” Playing the race card is when you use race to gain an advantage IN A DISCUSSION THAT IS UNRELATED TO RACE.

            Your logic is like going to church and rolling your eyes because the pastor “played the religion card.”

            Every time one of you racists open your mouths it invalidates your arguments.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bryan-Schmick/100000836170959 Bryan Schmick

            And here I thought the gist was that this was an Islamic person from Pakistan. Are you aware that neither of these are a race?
            You are invalidating your argument by assuming either Pakistani or Muslim is a race. I’d like to point out that I’m one of the extreme minorities being half german, quarter welsh, and quarter Danish born in California but raised in Washington. If that doesn’t make me unique enough, I can always add a few more qualifiers.

          • http://www.wraithtdk.com Matthew Young

            Would you be happy with ethni-misiast? You can argue semantics all you want, a turd by any other name would still smell as bad. Besides, considering the general tone here, I don’t think I’d be going too far out on a limb by betting that Pakistani is not the sole ethnicity that people here harbor such hostility towards.

            As for your personal heritage; I’m not really seeing the relevance.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Would you be happy with ethni-misiast?”

            Racial distinctions entirely determined by false theories about ancestry and genetics. Ethnicity is determined by culture, which is not. If we offer legitimate criticism on various cultures and ideologies. you calling it racists eliminates any need for you to defend those cultures objectively.

            Whether you realize it or not, you just confessed to abusing the race card. As you acknowledge, correlation does not automatically prove cause. The fact that certain races are associated with certain cultures does not justify you calling us racists for critiquing any cultures. You have to make your case to defeat our arguments. You didn’t even try. You went immediately to the “race card.”

            “You can argue semantics all you want, a turd by any other name would still smell as bad.”

            Now that’s an objective statement that’s hard to argue with. You’ve just prove definitively that criticism of culture is in fact racism unless you are attacking Christians or Jews.

          • Drakken

            Hmmm let’s see? I suppose that you live in an area that is dominated by cultural enriched folks from the 3rd world right? Let’s see you live there for 6 months and then come back and tell us how enlightened and opened minded you are.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “”The race card?” THE ENTIRE ISSUE IS RACE. ”

            Absolutely 100% wrong. Failed argument. A long time ago.

            Try a new argument. Your race card will not be renewed,

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “No, you just spew your crap all over the internet instead. MY incivility? You’re openly racist. You called millions of people savages because of the location they were born in. Your hypocrisy is astounding.”

            Racist? Are you paying any attention at all to the conversation you’ve been spewing in?

          • Drakken

            I don’t call them barbarians for that would be insulting to barbarians, they are savages, pure and simple. You cry and whine thinking that all cultures are equal when it is as clear as day they are not. Obviously you have never been to Africa, middle and far east to see what we are talking about, so you spout some leftist useful idiot garbage and emotion instead of cold, hard, harsh facts. I guarantee you that you do not live in a cultural enriched area so you don’t see what is actually happening.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Seriously? We’re still calling people from Pakistan barbarians? What CENTURY are you from?”

            I can’t figure out why ANYONE would refer to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan as barbarian.

            Who can explain any justification for this?

        • wri7913

          “Secondly, if people intelligent enough to get an MD from an American
          university want to come here LEGALLY, pay for their own education, and
          then become tax-paying, contributing members of society, I say let them.”

          As long as they follow the rules of this country. There is also the thing call as s imilation. They are epected to become part of our culture, not bring their third world habits to this country.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “Correlation does not equal causation; and if there’s any specific evidence that points to his faith being his motivation, it’s not presented here; and certainly SHOULD be if such allegations or implications are going to be made.”

          You need to talk to the DA. We here can discuss it. It’s something we can investigate or monitor as the case evolves. If you can’t tolerate that, go practice your “leftist tolerance” somewhere else. That’s my advice.

          “2. First of all, let me tell you from experience – the US does not make it easy for ANYONE to legally immigrate here. My wife is from Canada and comes from a family of police officers and RCMPs, and the process took us FOREVER, and THAT was with the easiest country in the world TO immigrate from using the easiest METHOD in the world (IE marrying a born citizen).”

          That’s part of our point: It is easier for some than it is for others, and our selection criteria is often destructive to the interests of the USA.

          Second, it was “difficult” for you because the most frequent path for fraud is to use bogus marriages. It wasn’t difficult, it was a relatively complete investigation because of the implications.

          OTOH, your wife could have simply joined the Muslim Brotherhood and had a much smoother experience with visa applications and citizenship.

          “Secondly, if people intelligent enough to get an MD from an American university want to come here LEGALLY, pay for their own education, and then become tax-paying, contributing members of society, I say let them. That’s the essence of America.”

          What could go wrong? Major Hasan was an excellent doctor by Islamic standards.

          “Giving a job to a tax-paying, legal citizen that happens to be from (or descended from) another country does not fit the bill.”

          You’re correct about that. But if we find out that other cultures have lower standards for professions, we should learn that lesson. That’s the point. Not that we’ve literally outsourced his job. You might call it cultural outsourcing though since they are not required to take the same oath other doctors take.

          Multiculturalism is so awesome, eh?

    • robcrawford2

      Ohio native? He doesn’t look like a member of the Miami tribe.

      • http://www.wraithtdk.com Matthew Young

        Being native to a place does not mean that you belong to the first race to settle it.

    • ziggy zoggy

      Racism? Pakistan is a country, not a race.

      • kapnlogos

        I didn’t see any mention of ‘faith’ in the article.

        • http://www.wraithtdk.com Matthew Young

          Really? Did you read the headline? Because I see “Mulsim” in there. Muslim is a faith.

          • kapnlogos

            You are correct, I did not read it.

          • Loren Piller

            Muslim (Islam) is also a political ideology

          • Guest42

            And a death cult.

          • Veroniqua

            Muslim is not a faith. That is like saying that a Christian is a faith when in fact a Christian is a person who follows Christianity, just as a muslim is a person who follows Islam.

      • http://www.wraithtdk.com Matthew Young

        Pakistan is a country. PakastanI – as in “Dangerous Pakistani Muslim Doctor” is a race.

        • Headed4TheHills

          Uhm, excuse me now, but I disagree with ya, son. Saying someone is a Pakistani Muslim doctor cites his nation of origin, his religious affiliation, and his current employment. It does not mention a race, unless y’all are sayin’ Dangerous is now a race. Now, if it was to have said black / white / etc. Pakistani Muslim doctor, I mighta agreed with ya. But, as it is, it didn’t so I don’t.
          Pakistani – from Pakistan, kinda like ol’ HT4H is ‘Merican, ya know from America.

          • http://www.wraithtdk.com Matthew Young

            You define race as “black/white/etc?” So race = skin color to you.

            So Pakistanis would be…what race, exactly? “Brown?” And what happens when a white person gets a tan? “Uh-oh! Skin color changed, guess you’re a different race now?”

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bryan-Schmick/100000836170959 Bryan Schmick

            In recent decades, there were four races. Caucasian, African, Mongoloid, and Pacific Islander. These days, race is slowly disappearing. Pakistanis were considered Caucasian. I understand people like you consider it important to define others by racial groups, but you have to ask what race are people like our president? The sooner people like you that can’t just accept people are human go away, the better. p.s. not only are Pakistanis not a race, but Islam isn’t a race either.

          • m4253y

            well said Bryan.

            today we cannot say China man, Oriental; a person from India cannot be called an Indian….they are all conveniently packaged into the title Asian. Tell me, is a race generally not defined by it’s culture? what culture is their within a race known as Asian? all BS from the PC police.

          • Muhammad Waloora

            Who cares fuck them all do you fucking live in this world or some other planet? Fucking Islam is a retarded religion, where ever there are Muslims its fucked.

          • Headed4TheHills

            No, to me, there is one race, HUMAN. As for Pakistanis, they’d still be people from Pakistan. An’ I dun broke my #1 an’ #2 rules – never feed the trolls and DON”T FEED THE TROLLS.

          • TheAmused

            Pakistanis and other nationalities in that region are considered to be predominately Caucasian with a mix of Mongoloid (the scientific term for Asian), Negroid (the scientific term for “black”) and Australoid (the FOURTH race, as evinced in Australian Aborigines). The people in sub-continental Asia are pretty much mutts.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “You define race as “black/white/etc?” So race = skin color to you.”

            YOU have not cited any racial distinctions and skin color is what most racists use. What racial distinctions do you make? Are nations now each discrete races?

            State your racial theory. You’re the one claiming that it’s about race.

            “So Pakistanis would be…what race, exactly? “Brown?” And what happens when a white person gets a tan? “Uh-oh! Skin color changed, guess you’re a different race now?””

            Well you’re arguing against yourself now. What race would Pakistanis be? It’s your theory, not ours.

            Talk about blatant straw men. OMG…

          • knowshistory

            if you will keep your fingers off the keyboard, no one will ever suspect how stupid you are.

        • Loren Piller

          Dangerous is an adj. without racial connotations
          Pakistani is someone who has origins in Pakistan
          Pakistan is a country with different racial and ethnic
          people in it so I don’t see race in that term either’
          Muslim is someone who adheres to the beliefs and
          practices of Muhammed Muslims come in all races
          Doctor is a profession no race there either?

        • Muhammad Waloora

          Pakistan is a country and Muslim is a so called religion.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          Pakistan is a country. PakastanI – as in “Dangerous Pakistani Muslim Doctor” is a race.

          What race? A religious person from the nation of Pakistan is what race?

          We have “blacks,” “whites,” “Hispanics,” “Muslim Pakistanis” and so forth?

          I never saw that check box on any government forms. Wow, we persecute them so harshly we don’t even acknowledge the racial distinctions.

          I’m so ashamed I don’t know what to do.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Geoffrey-Britain/100003802091841 Geoffrey Britain

      1) his faith is what ties acts like these to him.
      2) No he did not. Presumably, there’s a history of questionable behavior, otherwise the lawyer is looking for deep pockets.
      3) He’s not a native. He’s a Pakistani citizen with permanent residency and a green card.

      • onecornpone
      • http://www.wraithtdk.com Matthew Young

        1.) That makes no sense. There is no indication given that his actions were religiously motivated.

        2.) I assume the same, as it did say that other women on Craigslist has problems with him. Still, I wouldn’t expect a Hospital (or any other business) to keep track of love/sex life of all of its staff. If the man didn’t have a record, it seems stupid to me to blame the hospital.

        I suppose the issue may be the syringes he took; but I can’t imagine that a doctor taking a few of those would open up a hospital to too much liability…

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “I suppose the issue may be the syringes he took; but I can’t imagine that a doctor taking a few of those would open up a hospital to too much liability…”

          That’s why we have projects we call “investigations.” Then there will be a trial. Right now we’re speculating.

          K? Call us racists all you want. Have fun. We’re speculators.

    • shaunthebrummie

      i see you are a leftist liberal supporter…and anything that detracts from its illusion of multicultural harmony must be challenged and subdued….liberals are now shitting themselves as they know the majority are statring to see what they are up to….and they dont like it….

      • http://www.wraithtdk.com Matthew Young

        Leftist liberal supporter? Holy crap, that’s hilarious. I was a vocal Bush supporter and AM a vocal Obama detractor. I run an anti-feminist blog. I’m a protestant. I come from a family that has fought for this country in every war we’ve been in back to the revolution.

        The only thing you know about me is that I oppose racism. That doesn’t make me leftist, it just makes me a decent human being.

        • Drakken

          Your use and abuse of the race card is way overblown and has made it immaterial.

          • http://www.wraithtdk.com Matthew Young

            “The race card?” THE ENTIRE ISSUE IS RACE. Talking about it is not “playing the race card.” Playing the race card is when you use race to gain an advantage IN A DISCUSSION THAT IS UNRELATED TO RACE.

            Your logic is like going to church and rolling your eyes because the pastor “played the religion card.”

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bryan-Schmick/100000836170959 Bryan Schmick

          Care to share the URL of your anti-feminist blog, or are we to assume you are a pretending troll? p.s. Islam is not a race.

          • http://www.wraithtdk.com Matthew Young

            Sure. wtfem.tumblr.com is my blog.

            FFS, why do people keep saying Islam is not a race? I never said it was! Can you tell me about how hamburgers are not vegetables next?

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “The only thing you know about me is that I oppose racism.”

          You’re a “protestant” that thinks criticism of Muslim criminals is racism.

          Got it. I can only guess that you hate Israel as well for causing so much anguish for those poor “freedom fighters” over there.

          You’re a leftist because you’re spewing their flawed arguments.

    • tickletik

      I think you are well aware of why the word “Muslim” is in the headline, but to humor you I will answer,

      The contention is that the nature of Muslim faith encourages male practitionors of it to regard infidel life as being essentially worthless, this is doubly true in the case of women. If you do a simple google search I am sure you can find the appropriate hadiths to support this view, however, it is not the hadiths we have a problem with but the actual behavior of a large number of Muslims that take it upon themselves to rape, murder and betray us, and the far latger proportion of Muslims who silently support and create the environment that supports those who do these acts. That is why the word “Muslim” was in the headline,

      Incidentally, the shaming language you wish to use is “bigotry” not “racism”, as Islam is a faith, not a race. No one here actually cares about his genetic background, its his murderous homicidal faith that targets us, which we have a problem with,

      • http://www.wraithtdk.com Matthew Young

        1. Rape is hardly a problem exclusive to Muslims; and unless there are details omitted from this article which really should have been included if it was going to imply Islam was the motivation here, there is no reason to believe it was.

        2. As many problems as Islam has, the nature of this man’s crime doesn’t add up to a religiously motivated attack. There’s no statement to be made, he didn’t know this woman; there’s no connection. The accusation is baseless. At best what you have is correlation. Correlation is not causation.

        3. Islam is a faith. Pakistani is a race. And more than one person here has talked about “keeping out the Pakis” and not taking in any more foreigners.

        • Desi

          Correction: “ASIAN” is (the) race.

          • IndieMex

            Thank you! There are ONLY 3 races – Black, White, Asian. Everything else is ETHNICITY, despite how many boxes the EEOP assholes put on every form they get their hands on! The only time the lefties seem to have any understanding of this, is when they can corrupt it in their favor. Hence, the “White Hispanic,” George Zimmerman.

          • http://www.wraithtdk.com Matthew Young

            I love that you talk about “lefties” poor understand of race, yet you listed white instead of Caucasian.

            I’d also like to know where Native Americans fit into your three race model.

          • Edward

            Asian – you ignorant dolt.

          • TheAmused

            Mongoloid/Australoid mix.

            Sorry if I point this out over and over, but I paid attention in biology and anthropology.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “I’d also like to know where Native Americans fit into your three race model.”

            So you think racial distinctions are scientific and objective?

            Then you are a racist. We are not surprised at all.

          • TheAmused

            Four races, actually. Australoid is the other one and, while mostly seen in Australia and New Zealand, it is mixed in with a lot of Asian and Caucasian nationalities.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bryan-Schmick/100000836170959 Bryan Schmick

          Rape is certainly a problem that extends beyond Islam. It’s just that Muslims appear to exaggerate the problem. Like the young lady that was imprisoned because she was raped or young girls that get stoned to death because they were raped.

        • tickletik

          Everythign you just said was total nonsense

          1. Rape in the sense of a tool for systematic terrorization of women to keep them repressed, is very much a problem in the Muslim world

          2. As of now, we do not know what his intentions were, but his religion definitely lowered the moral cost to commit these atrocities.

          3.Then a Sicilian saying he hates Italians would be a racist. Someone from Chicago refusing to associate with Pole from Poland would be racist. Your term lacks definition, which is not surprising as most people who use “racism” as a reason for whatever they believe tend not to actually understand what they are talking about

          Finally, none of that is the reason why what you said is nonsense. The real reason is that a maniac was kept on the payroll PRIMARILY because he was a Muslim and the hospital staff did not want to offend dishonest garbage like yourself.

          You knew very well what was going on with that headline, you posted your question in that manner to start a debate with half the people here on a topic you don’t have the decency to openly admit to – that you believe it is wrong to have stereotype a culture or ethnic group based on a long track record of behavior from that group.

          You know very well that the people here would tear you apart if you proposed an argument like that, which is why you used such a weasel tactic. It disgusts me to even reply to such a dishonest person,

          • http://www.wraithtdk.com Matthew Young

            1. I never said rape wasn’t a problem in the Muslim world. I said it’s not exclusive to it. Rape is a problem in every country on the planet; and is perpetrated by people professing every faith and no faith at all.

            As I said, unless there is something that this article is leaving out that it shouldn’t have, there is no evidence of motive.

            2. Alright, captain semantic, ethno-misiast. Frankly, I think it sounds pretentious, but if we’re eschewing common vernacular for the most technically correct combination of pre/suffixes, I suppose that would be it. Doesn’t really matter; small-minded, archaic,hateful, backward thinking is a cancer on the world regardless what you call it.

            3. NOTHING in this article says he held that job primarily because he was Muslim. The fact that you assume that just reinforces how much of a bigot you truly are.

            4. I believe it is wrong to automatically jump to the conclusion that a person’s religion or place of birth was the motivation for an atrocity. I deal with that crap regularly from anti-theists who play the same stupid game with Christianity every time some priest touches a little boy; despite the fact that I’m a protestant and believe in Catholicism’s “no marriage or sex if you lead a church” rule.

            It’s wrong when they do it, and it’s wrong when you do it.

            5. Dude, I didn’t think anyone would “tear me apart.” I had no idea what kind of people came here. I’ve never even HEARD of this site. Someone who reads my anti-feminism blog pointed me to an article here about a young man in England that was beaten to death because a woman falsely accused him of rape. While on that article, I saw this headline and clicked.

            Besides which, the caliber of debate here is about on par with Youtube. I hardly fear being “torn apart” by people who can’t string two paragraphs together without either a logical fallacy or a blatant example of their own small mindedness.

          • Glenda LaHaye

            “I believe it is wrong to automatically jump to the conclusion that a person’s religion or place of birth was the motivation for an atrocity.” Then educate yourself. Where a person is born and how they are raised contributes GREATLY to their motivation. To put it right here on US soil look at the KKK, the black panthers, rednecks, cowboys, farmers and the list goes on. islam teaches a lack of morals and propriety when dealing with infidels. I encourages and rewards their ill treatment especially if it forwards the cause of islam. Westerners are not used to this mind set. Most of us were raised to believe it is NOT okay to lie, cheat or judge others based on the color of their skin, their sex or their faith. and muslims use that against us time and again.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bryan-Schmick/100000836170959 Bryan Schmick

            I suspect it would be more accurate to say Islam teaches a lack of WESTERN morals. There are plenty of morals in the Islamic world, they just don’t tie in to well with the Western world. e.g. homosexuality is a stonable sin (except for local mores where it is given a pass), pornography is a sin, men are not as responsible for their heterosexual urges as women, an Islamic person is counted for more than a non Islamic person and leaving the Islamic faith is a killable sin.

        • Edward

          “Pakistani is a race.”

          LOL!

        • Glenda LaHaye

          Rape is not a problem exclusive to muslims. But turning a blind eye to it, unless the victim is a muslim male, is. Were this victim a muslim, and had lived, she would have been blamed for tempting salim and it would be she who were punished. His crime does not have to add up to religious motivation when his religion controls EVERY aspect of his being.

        • Veroniqua

          For goodness sake, if someone is green he is green, if he is black he is black, if he is from England he is English, or if he is from India he is Indian. If his culture, religious and political beliefs control his behaviour then you need to be aware of what danger you are subjecting your children to.
          If you have any doubts about the capabilities of muslims, read the Q’ran, for everything that Mohammod endulged in as a depraved Warlord, murderer and thief is acceptable practise for muslims. There are many good muslims who have moved into the 21st century, but there many more who are tied to the 7th century by a man who instructed them to follow his example of conquest, control, conversion, slavery or death until Islam controls the whole world. The people in control are the ones you are not allowed to critiscize and freedom of speech is the first step to losing your human rights. Political Correctness is a tactical manouver. Look around you.

    • Loren Piller

      Go live in Pakistan for a few years then you will understand

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “1. I see nothing here that ties his acts with his faith; so why did it need to be part of the headline.”

      It’s relevant because his ideology encourages him to blame everyone and everything else for his sexual urges. He’s not accountable according to his religion.

      “2. Did this man have a criminal history? If not, why would the hospital he worked at be liable? How would they even KNOW he was psycho?”

      The question is why doesn’t he have a criminal record when there were previous victims. Maybe the hospital is not culpable, but I haven’t seen the evidence.

      “3. What does hiring an Ohio native qualify as “outsourcing to the third world?””

      What Ohio native are you referring to? He’s obviously referring to the Pakistani doctor.

      “I’m not the type of guy that sees racism everywhere; but the phrasing here seems a bit suspect…”

      What race are you talking about?

    • Glenda LaHaye

      It makes perfect sense when you take into account that she was non muslim, therefore an infidel, therefore no more important than a piece of trash. Criminal history aside there were tell-tale signs about this man while he worked at the hospital that management, and coworkers, ignored. Not unlike nidal hassan, salim was not dealt with properly from the onset and was left free to commit this heinous crime. Understand that most muslims do not consider themselves natives of any country they live in but are native to islam. There can be no loyalty to country when it is all reserved for allah who demands we all become muslim or die.

  • JamesPF

    kill this pakibastard no trial is necessary.

  • Bill

    “Well officer,she died,and in Islam that means she is asking for it”

  • onecornpone

    Deport the barbaric sheet wearing goat herder back to Pak where he can set the inconvenient women on fire.

    • Elizabeth capecod

      Deport him, my azz. He needs to be given a lethal injection of his own.

  • Daniel Rubio

    To Mathew Young.

    Get some of your facts straight:

    1. About immigration: “My wife is from Canada and…the process took us FOREVER…”. I guess she was trying to do it legally and also she comes from a boring country. If she had entered ilegally and/or came from Somalia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nicaragua, etc., it wouldn’t have taken as long as it did. Don’t take my word for it. Ask any taxi driver in NYC, any 7-11 clerk in the Midwest or any dish-washer or hotel maid in the Southwest.

    2. Maybe you aren’t used to the numerous articles in newspapers and journals that attach the qualifier “Jew” to any person involved in wrong-doing when that person happens to be a member of such faith. If you haven’t seen it, well, you haven’t been sufficiently exposed to the world. I’ve yet to see a public outcry, or an individual’s outcry, when the religion of the perpetrator happend to be Judaism and the article in question made an emphasis on that, even though it has nothing to do with it. Nowadays also “Christian fundamentalist” applies just as well, as in the case of the murderer Breivik in Norway. But then, when a muslim is the one on the spotlight, all the hollier-than-thou defendants of the oppressed come out jumping like popcorn.

    3. And again, “racism” becomes the flag to hoist when a muslim is targeted. Race has nothing to do with it. Islam is not a race, hell, it’s not even a religion. It’s a war-mongering, conquest-driven, bigoted totalitarian ideology that has embarked itself in a reverse crusade to poison every country that so far had been rid of the disease. A big segment of the American people is generally too stoned, too busy listening to NBC, CNN and CBS, or too self-absorbed satiating their indulgences to know the difference or to notice the slow, one-pakistani-doctor-at-a-time, one-cab-driver-at-a-time conquest of their country.

    4. You are right, it’s not outsourcing. It’s plain and simple pillage. For every muslim able doctor or some sort of professional, there are 827 (I know, I made up the number myself) parasitic muslims living of the “bounty of the land”, i.e. your taxes. That alone should suffice to make you nervous about your children’s future. Unless you have no children, in which case there’s nothing to worry about. Muslims will bring along plenty of those with them.

  • Gamal

    My father had a Muslim anesthesiologist and had serious problems known to be related to anesthesia after his operation that almost killed him. The more Muslim doctors we have the more danger we are all in.

  • Glenda LaHaye

    All I can say to you, sir, is WOW. That is one of the finest summations of the attempted muslimazation of the Western world! KUDOS!

  • tickletik

    1. Excuse me, but like the dishonest coward you are, you ignored what I said and reframed it in your own fashion. I will repeat it since you are clearly UNWILLING to comprehend what other people write when it contradicts your emotional narrative.

    I wrote “RAPE IN THE SENSE OF A TOOL for systematic terrorization of women TO KEEP THEM REPRESSED, is very much a problem in the Muslim world”. I specifically qualified what form of rape I was talking about. You, being a disgusting, deceptive little liar, tried just now to pretend I was referring to rape as a general problem. I was not referring to rape in the generic sense, as you very well knew when you LIED about what I said.

    Note that I don’t bother going along with your pretense that you can’t understand. I KNOW you understand. I am calling you a liar and a fraud.

    2. “Alright, captain semantic, ethno-misiast”. Okey Dokey Captain F**ktard.

    “Frankly” – nothing is frank or genuine about you, you are a weasel and a fraud.

    “I think it sounds pretentious” – I don’t care what you “think”, I only care if the argument you MAKE is reasonable to me. In any case it’s what you “feel”. You won’t even get that right.

    “but if we’re eschewing common vernacular” – no you little creep, “WE” aren’t eschewing common vernacular, I AM INSISTING on it. YOU are the one trying to get pedantic and misuse the vernacular to mean something no one actually uses it to mean in real life. That was my entire point regarding how the common man in Sicily or Chicago would speak. Which you didn’t bother arguing with because you COULDN’T. Instead you side stepped it with some meaningless crap I could barely stay awake long enough to follow.

    “small-minded, archaic, hateful” – blah blah blah. Tell it to someone who cares, or don’t. I really have to get off the internet and focus on work. Why do I procrastinate so much?

    3. “NOTHING in this article says he held that job primarily because he was Muslim” – of course nothing says it outright you two-faced little creep! It’s called IMPLICATION. That’s the point. That’s why he included it in the title. And as I’ve been saying all along, you KNOW this, you just pretend you don’t so we’ll dance around in some stupid little verbal game to make you feel better about your empty worthless existence, where you get to play hero and “useful member of the herd” of other little leftists. And yes, I read your bs above where you deny it, it’s obvious baloney. Even if it was true, you’re still a disgusting two-faced little creep.

    3. “bigot” – thank G-d I finally got you to use the proper word. The worst thing about leftist swine is how they manipulate language to confuse everyone.

    4. You mean you “feel” it was wrong. You don’t actually “think” it was wrong, because thinking implies a logical train of deductive reasoning which you clearly haven’t done, because if you had, you would have laid it all out for us, over and over again, endlessly to show us all how clever your pedantic ego-driven narcissistic little self is. Which I know you are from all your snarky “oh look how clever and pretty I am” comments you leave whenever you get a chance.

    You make me sick. Do you understand it IS NOT what you believe that makes me sick? That it’s your two-faced dishonesty? Your narcissistic snarky crap? Do you even grasp that much?

    5. Sure thing “dudebro”. That’s my point. You didn’t think anyone would tear you apart because you went out of your way to be totally dishonest about your argument and your position. Btw, on the off chance that you aren’t lying through your teeth about your “conservative credentials”, such as “defending bush” or “being against Obama” or “writing an anti-feminist site” let me make something clear to you: I don’t give a damn about your @$#@#ing credentials. Credentials mean nothing. What you have DONE is at best an INDICATOR of what you WILL DO. What you ARE DOING NOW is the only thing that truly matters.

    Oh this is just a waste. You are a child. Go play with your toy.

    (6) regarding youtube the debate is blah blah blah – then feel free to f*** off whenever you like.

    • Kerla

      WOW!!! just WOW!!!
      *I have limited vocabulary*

      • tickletik

        Not sure if you liked what I wrote or hated it. “wow just wow” has two connotations, one very negative as in

        “wow just wow I can’t believe you would be so clueless to say something so against the social consensus”

        and one positive as in

        “wow just wow that was awesome how you said something so against the social consensus”

        Dont’ worry, I’m OK if you hate it so long as you are genuine about why.

  • Frank

    And you thought Muslims are a peace loving people. Like hell they are! They have more control over our own governments then the people do. The time is coming that we the people will take justice into our own hands. Deport them back to their sand castles and camels. We don’t need them here. They walk amongst us like the devils they are.

  • snakedoctor828

    My wife is Canadian as well and we are going through the process. not only is it drawn out for NO reason it is just accumulating cost more and more to the point of we are ready to give up and just go to Canada every time we turn around more money is needed!

    • TheAmused

      Blame a strange battle between the U.S. and Canada dating back to when Bush demanded Canadians present passports, etc. to cross the border for even a day. The result was that Canada started demanded more and more paperwork for what used to be routine interactions between the two countries.

      As the antes were upped elsewhere, what used to be so easy has become a game of oneupmanship. Simple visa are part of the game. Frankly, you might be happier in Canada.

      • snakedoctor828

        I remember that but the southern border is a free for all! I have really weighed the options and the hard charging American that I am can not deny that facts that I’d be better off there. Its a sad feeling to know that I could be more prosperous and a higher quality of life there!

    • Slam Dunk

      My spouse also came from Canada. We started the process in 2007 and we are just now going for our last interview. 6 years and about $15,000.00 later.

      • snakedoctor828

        Jesus dude, I dont know if its worth it then!

  • Borissgal

    I’m sorry but….HOW does this relate to the hospital? She didn’t go to the hospital for services and the abuse didn’t happen there. Craig’s list is a free service, they do not interview the people who post ads, so how could they possibly know what this man would do?
    I realize that the family is devastated, but lawsuits of “convenience” against hospitals are out of control. Health care is already so expensive that even insurers don’t want to pay them anymore. Stop looking for the place with the most and go after the real offender! Sue the doctor! His estate has to be worth something if he can afford to pay someone to clean. Not to mention, where were they when she answered an ad on CRAIG’S LIST?? Have they had their heads buried in the sand for the last 5 years? NOTHING good comes of answering ads on that site! Place the blame where it belongs. Doctors get supplies from hospitals all the time, without telling the hospital! They use them at home and in case of an emergency on the road! The hospital may have had no way of even knowing he had them, nor could they know what he would DO with them! So sick of people looking for the fast buck and willing to place blame anywhere the money is.

    • ea

      I am suspecting it was because he somehow had access to their medical supplies and that was where the syringe and needle came from. I am also wondering what did he do to get dismissed from the hospital? Was it possibly something criminal that should have been reported to the authorities or DHS? I have read other articles where Physicians (muslim) are telling patients they have cancer when they do not so they go under all the toxic treatment of cancer. I, personally will refuse to be treated by a doctor from the Middle East. In case ppl don’t know, muslims want to kill Americans and will resort to any manner available.

      • Borissgal

        Oh I agree with you about the muslim Doctors, I won’t use one. People have to take responsibility for their own health care anymore with all the foreign doctors in the U.S. now. The doc I have is from India but I question every new med he wants to give and ALL procedures. I refuse what I don’t think is necessary. I lost a kidney to cancer last year and it took a WHOLE YEAR for them to find it. I was sick all year and they kept telling me it was colitis. Well the radiologist kept missing the huge tumor that was in my kidney. Then my doc wasn’t reading anything in my chart and actually ARGUED with me about having cancer. I asked him WHY they took my kidney out then? He decided he better read my chart. Ugh…. where are all the GOOD doctors today? I can’t find a single one in NY.

  • Veroniqua

    Doctors hold a great position of trust. They are bound by the hipocratic oath. Unfortunately, people from other cultures may not hold the same standards as those of Western cultures. Religious beliefs, Inequality of women, disrespect for the aged or disregard for some human life can influence the way in which a patient is treated. This is why it is not always a good thing to employ foreign doctors without ensuring that their values and standards are of the same level. I know from experience, that MRSA was spread throughout some hospitals by foreign doctors who refused to wash their hands in disinfectant because it was alcohol based. I have a close relative who was given MRSA on the brain and they lied and tried to “bury the evidence”, without any consideration for the life of the woman concerned. I paid a big price for daring to challenge them, she paid a bigger one when it ate half her skull away. It is not racist or bigoted to speak the truth but political correctness has empowered the perpetrators and made it is easier to blame the victim.

    • ea

      You are going to see a majority of Doctors will be foreign after ophonycare kicks in. I am in the medical field and a lot of Doctors I have known for a long time plan to jump ship when it is implemented. Enrollment in Medical school is on the decline and I saw several articles brain storming plans how to make it easier for foreign doctors to get their MD. Over the years, in my city, I have personally trained several foreign “doctors” from the Middle East into my field for their clinical training. They are a disaster to say the least. No bed side manners, unable to multitask and pompous attitude towards other medical staff. Many of the male students had an obvious attitude about training under a female. After many failed conversations with their college professors I just refused to train them. The college’s attitude was to pass them through even though they were not picking up the concepts. I fear what medicine has in store for us in the future.

  • Mark Stanley

    Obamacare…

  • Shotski0

    Guess he was fresh out of goats…

  • kim

    I’m sure excuses will be made. after all, we must consider this history, childhood, mental and emotional issues, whether he was ever abused by his parents, his religion, etc….

  • Dee Dunbar

    fIRST OF ALL who GETS A DR OFF CRAIGSLIST?Second WTF was she doing , getting an abortion?this makes no sense except for the murdering POS muzzie craphole!

    • ea

      Did you read the article or just the headline? She answered an ad on Craigslist for cleaning services so she may have been a housekeeper. Who said she was getting an abortion? Really blame the victim. Liberal bullshit! You need to learn to read before posting such a stupid statement!

  • JCDArizona

    Pretty sure Obama is working to ensure his Muslim brother gets safely returned to Pakistan ;/

  • Henrique

    It doesn’t matter his race/color/faith/whatever, what matters is that he is a murderer who killed an expectant mother. Nothing can justify it and that’s the point.

  • Fuqfrankie

    So, just a normal day in this muslim-appeasment world.
    Tolerate not the intolerable,

  • Chitralekha

    He is sick. The sad part is that, the whole third world is being blamed for his deed though even the third world is ashamed for what he did!!!

  • Pleasetake timeto readthis

    Would you like to know something else about immigration I bet you didn’t know most of the people who had a faster process than you were probably from third world countries living in a refugee camp
    Worrying about their next meal they would probably happily have their arm amputated to be in your position
    And those Muslim countries?
    There are a lot of versions of Islam and most follow the peaceful kind but there are some extremists or terrorists
    There’s probably a child out there crying because his dad was murdered by a terrorist for being a muslim reporter ( happening lately in Somalia)

    A family crying because another family member was killed in a drone strike because the target was their neighbor ( happening lately in the Middle East)
    In the past four years 800 innocent civilians were killed by drone strikes and only 22 terrorists or extremists in Pakistan
    Being able to go to a safe country where everyone is accepted is like giving someone a pass to go to heaven

    If one of those people read the comments on this article they would be extremely sad that you are seeing the picture painted by media

    Please be thankful for what you have

    • shaunthebrummie

      and those 22 terrorists would have killed how many…how many terrorist caused 9/11….