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	<title>Comments on: Want an 82% Graduation Rate for Low Income Students? Go Voucher</title>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/want-an-82-graduation-rate-for-low-income-students-go-voucher/comment-page-1/#comment-4466101</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 21:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[     The article above cites Paul Peterson, who wrote a number of discredited studies, who is citing another study. This study was didn&#039;t have enough comparable student-level data to support the claim of an 82% Graduation rate. What the study did have was how many students there were in ninth grade at a given school one year and how many students graduated four years later. One of the problems for education in Milwaukee is that students move from school to school regularly. 
     I know studies sound convincing, but you should look up the authors, the studies&#039;  methodologies, who pays them, and what other experts say about their work. Political scientists, economists, and politicians can be very effective with their work, but don&#039;t have training or experience with education.  
     And while there are excellent voucher schools, there are also schools that were allowed to receive vouchers despite the owner having raped a woman at knifepoint. Both of these points are examples of anecdotal evidence that do not give us a full picture of the successes or failures of the school systems in the Milwaukee Metropolitan Area. 
     The comment by empire of lies struck me as racist.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>     The article above cites Paul Peterson, who wrote a number of discredited studies, who is citing another study. This study was didn&#039;t have enough comparable student-level data to support the claim of an 82% Graduation rate. What the study did have was how many students there were in ninth grade at a given school one year and how many students graduated four years later. One of the problems for education in Milwaukee is that students move from school to school regularly.<br />
     I know studies sound convincing, but you should look up the authors, the studies&#039;  methodologies, who pays them, and what other experts say about their work. Political scientists, economists, and politicians can be very effective with their work, but don&#039;t have training or experience with education.<br />
     And while there are excellent voucher schools, there are also schools that were allowed to receive vouchers despite the owner having raped a woman at knifepoint. Both of these points are examples of anecdotal evidence that do not give us a full picture of the successes or failures of the school systems in the Milwaukee Metropolitan Area.<br />
     The comment by empire of lies struck me as racist.  </p>
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		<title>By: EmpireofLies</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2013 09:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow this sounds just fantasti!. All the proper fashionable attitudes in place. Egalitarianism? check. 
Equal Opportunity? check? Racial equality? double check...etc. One problem however. And I WOULD like to hear it addressed. It begins with Kingsley Amis&#039;s scathing attack on modern universal education, namely. &quot;There just isn&#039;t enough brains to go around&quot;. What Amis meant was that t there is a considerable proportion of the population that is ineducable, and no amount of clever reshuffling of the educational apparatus will change that.  But lets get right to the point about what is so deficient  and contradictory about the whole &quot;voucher&quot; concept. . Private schools are exclusive. Their tuition fees serve as a crude, but more or less  efficient filter. This filter works  like this: those that are willing to pay for education, care about education. Schools filled with children whose parents care about education enough to pay for it, are children brought up by parents that demand something for their money, like  good study skills, achievement, discipline, good behavior etc. Its the necessary atmosphere for all learning to take place in. Vouchers destroy all this. What a voucher does is turn all private schools into public schools. And, trust me, all it takes is a very small handful of inner city, hip hop infected attitude slingers to turn the most discerning private school into another  bit of Obamatopic  anarcho-tyranny..  With a voucher every public school student can show up at the door of any private school and demand entry.  And who could deny them? Anyone see that  Japanese sized  tsunami of discrimination lawsuits on the horizon? No &quot;vouchers&quot; are a disastrous idea. If the parents care about education let them pay or it with sweat off their brow.. Its not enough to say they care.Or hasn&#039;t everyone in the Age of Obama caught on to what kind of maliciousness lurks behind the rhetoric of &quot;caring&quot;. Reduced fees for deserving students? Yes. &quot;Free&quot; private education for all? Insane. Its all part of the large mass &quot;Inclusion&quot; hysteria destroying the nation. Discrimination and exclusion make education possible by making clarity and precision of thought possible.  Inclusion of the incompatible, contradictory, ineducable, and dysfunctional destroys the possibility of all education, real progress, or finally meaning itself. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow this sounds just fantasti!. All the proper fashionable attitudes in place. Egalitarianism? check.<br />
Equal Opportunity? check? Racial equality? double check&#8230;etc. One problem however. And I WOULD like to hear it addressed. It begins with Kingsley Amis&#039;s scathing attack on modern universal education, namely. &quot;There just isn&#039;t enough brains to go around&quot;. What Amis meant was that t there is a considerable proportion of the population that is ineducable, and no amount of clever reshuffling of the educational apparatus will change that.  But lets get right to the point about what is so deficient  and contradictory about the whole &quot;voucher&quot; concept. . Private schools are exclusive. Their tuition fees serve as a crude, but more or less  efficient filter. This filter works  like this: those that are willing to pay for education, care about education. Schools filled with children whose parents care about education enough to pay for it, are children brought up by parents that demand something for their money, like  good study skills, achievement, discipline, good behavior etc. Its the necessary atmosphere for all learning to take place in. Vouchers destroy all this. What a voucher does is turn all private schools into public schools. And, trust me, all it takes is a very small handful of inner city, hip hop infected attitude slingers to turn the most discerning private school into another  bit of Obamatopic  anarcho-tyranny..  With a voucher every public school student can show up at the door of any private school and demand entry.  And who could deny them? Anyone see that  Japanese sized  tsunami of discrimination lawsuits on the horizon? No &quot;vouchers&quot; are a disastrous idea. If the parents care about education let them pay or it with sweat off their brow.. Its not enough to say they care.Or hasn&#039;t everyone in the Age of Obama caught on to what kind of maliciousness lurks behind the rhetoric of &quot;caring&quot;. Reduced fees for deserving students? Yes. &quot;Free&quot; private education for all? Insane. Its all part of the large mass &quot;Inclusion&quot; hysteria destroying the nation. Discrimination and exclusion make education possible by making clarity and precision of thought possible.  Inclusion of the incompatible, contradictory, ineducable, and dysfunctional destroys the possibility of all education, real progress, or finally meaning itself. </p>
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		<title>By: JacksonPearson</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/want-an-82-graduation-rate-for-low-income-students-go-voucher/comment-page-1/#comment-4438347</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2013 00:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wisconsin education will succeed only when they rid themselves of the scourge of public employee unions. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wisconsin education will succeed only when they rid themselves of the scourge of public employee unions. </p>
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		<title>By: AdinaK</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Apr 2013 19:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ANYTHING is better than public schools, at least in their current incarnation. Charter schools are definitely more structured and demanding, and THAT is a good thing. Nevertheless, parents must be on their toes, even in Charters. The &quot;Common Core&quot; &quot;CSCOPE&quot; are lurking everywhere, even within homeschooling! Their tentacles are everywhere. 
Therefore, beware of what your kids are learning...for first they came for the kiddies - &lt;a href=&quot;http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/12/25/domestic-terrorist-bill-ayers-educator-too-exhorts-control-over-the-kiddies-addendum-to-first-they-came-for-the-kiddies-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/12/25/domestic-terr...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
Bill Ayers is making sure that he leaves more than his (educational) mark - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/04/bringing_down_america_a_review.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/04/bringing_d...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
Adina Kutnicki, Israel &lt;a href=&quot;http://adinakutnicki.com/about/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://adinakutnicki.com/about/&lt;/a&gt; ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ANYTHING is better than public schools, at least in their current incarnation. Charter schools are definitely more structured and demanding, and THAT is a good thing. Nevertheless, parents must be on their toes, even in Charters. The &quot;Common Core&quot; &quot;CSCOPE&quot; are lurking everywhere, even within homeschooling! Their tentacles are everywhere.<br />
Therefore, beware of what your kids are learning&#8230;for first they came for the kiddies &#8211; <a href="http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/12/25/domestic-terrorist-bill-ayers-educator-too-exhorts-control-over-the-kiddies-addendum-to-first-they-came-for-the-kiddies-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/12/25/domestic-terr" rel="nofollow">http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/12/25/domestic-terr</a>&#8230; </p>
<p>Bill Ayers is making sure that he leaves more than his (educational) mark &#8211; <a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/04/bringing_down_america_a_review.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/04/bringing_d" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/04/bringing_d</a>&#8230; </p>
<p>Adina Kutnicki, Israel <a href="http://adinakutnicki.com/about/" rel="nofollow">http://adinakutnicki.com/about/</a> </p>
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