The Western Left’s Fatwa Against Muslim Liberals

fatwa1Since September 11, the alliance between the Saudi and Muslim Brotherhood front groups and the Western Left has become ubiquitous. It’s impossible to read a paper or watch the evening news without encountering representatives of both groups delivering the familiar homilies about foreign policy, the tiny minority of Muslim extremists and the infinite Muslim moderates victimized by Islamophobia.

At first glance Karima Bennoune’s Your Fatwa Does Not Apply Here appears to fit seamlessly into that mold. Bennoune is a University of California professor and former Amnesty International activist writing a book billed as a tale of how moderate Muslims are resisting Islamic fundamentalism. But Bennoune’s book is really something else; it’s a telegram for the Western left from the forgotten Arab left.

The Western left has abandoned its Arab stepchildren. It has found it convenient to forget that all the Arab Communists, Trotskyites, Socialists and assorted intellectuals of the left ever existed.  But that did not mean that the Arab left stopped existing.

The backlash against Morsi caught Western liberals by surprise because it did not fit a region they had compressed in their minds into American puppets and Islamic populists. It was a leftist formula that ironically did not take into account the local left. The Western left still refuses to deal with the events in Egypt as anything but a military coup; completely disregarding the populist muscle from the Arab left.

The Hitler-Stalin pact between the Western left and the Islamist organizations turned the Arab left into non-persons who are ignored unless they play into the Western preconceived narrative about Islam.

Karima Bennoune understands that and Your Fatwa Does Not Apply Here is carefully packaged in the moderate Muslim formula. Bennoune speaks of people of “Muslim Heritage” to maintain appearances, but the bulk of her heroes and heroines are as secular as her. What she is really writing about is the social struggle between the Arab Left and its Islamists allies and enemies.

If Bennoune occasionally sounds like a Western conservative, denouncing the Western left for drinking the “multicultural Kool-Aid”; it’s because they both share a common enemy in the Islamic populism funded by Saudi oil money and championed by Muslim Brotherhood front groups that is overrunning the West and the Middle East.

The alliance that Bennoune describes as the liberal “tactical alliance with the Muslim right against the Western right wing” is the background to her book. It’s that audience of Western liberals who have issued their own Fatwa against the Arab left whom she is trying to reach with personal stories of the struggle against the imposition of Islamic law; including her own story and the story of her father.

Karima Bennoune is a talented writer and if Your Fatwa Does Not Apply Here follows a familiar enough formula from countless other books about the region, she is taking her liberal readers beyond Malala territory and showing them Muslim women who reject the Hijab and Muslim men who reject much of what passes for Islamic law, and if her Muslim men and women are about as religious as many of her readers, that should only make them easier to relate to as she guides Western college students into rejecting the Islamist narrative.

It’s that narrative, that the imposition of Islam is a human right rather than an atrocity, that Muslim women want to veil, that Muslim terrorism is a reaction to American foreign policy, that Bennoune is really trying to challenge by attacking it with personal narratives and the struggle of entire societies.

Western liberals are always on the lookout for books that will make them see the world in a whole new way and Your Fatwa Does Not Apply Here certainly performs that function, but what the University of California professor is really trying to do is deprogram liberal readers who have absorbed too many trite lectures on Islamophobia from Muslim Brotherhood activists.

Outwardly Your Fatwa Does Not Apply Here may be packaged to fit into the moderate Muslim narrative, but inside it often becomes as direct and abrasive as its title. “Fundamentalism will not win, even if they say, ‘Allahu akbar’ all day long,” she quotes her mother as saying. “Who will be Muslim after they have killed everyone?” another woman says even more directly to the point.

Moments like these crystallize Your Fatwa Does Not Apply Here as a book about resistance. Beneath the familiar pattern of travelogues and interviews, is the same spirit of defiance projected by women like Wafa Sultan, Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Firoozeh Bazrafkan. It’s doubtful that Karima Bennoune would want to be included in that list, if only because it would mean abandoning any influence she has on the left.

And yet that abandonment may be inevitable. The Western left seems far more interested in Hassan Rouhani  than in Marjane Satrapi. It is far more interested in talking about discrimination against Muslim women who wear Hijabs than about the Muslim discrimination of women being forced to wear Hijabs.

Bennoune writes passionately and well, but few in the Western left want to hear anything bad about fundamentalism unless it involves the Tea Party. As compelling as her narrative is, it will never be able to compete with the latest novel about a Muslim girl dealing with Islamophobia in America.

The Soviet Union cut the Arab left off, trading them for ties with Arab strongmen like Nasser. Now, just when the Arab left was hoping its hour had come, the Western left traded the strongmen for the Islamists. And that is a bitter pill to swallow.

In the Egyptian paper Al-Ahram, Nabil Shawkat wrote that “the next global cultural clash is not going to be between the West and Islam. It is going to be between Western liberals (friendly to the Islamists) and Eastern liberals (unfriendly to the Islamists).”

While his assumption of a global clash between the Eastern and Western lefts may be exaggerated, Egypt has shown that a clash between the two can have global consequences.

The Egyptian left and the Western right found common ground over the Morsi takeover as Egyptian protesters brandished Tea Party photoshops of Obama in turban and beard while American conservative columnists quoted Egyptian accusations about his collaboration with the Brotherhood.

It would be premature to imagine the Western right and the Arab left coming together the way that the Western left and the Islamists have. And yet it’s not inconceivable. The liberal split over Communism transformed the landscape of American politics. A split over Islam on the left could have equally serious political consequences.

The Western left has ostracized liberal critics of Islam as thoroughly as it once suppressed liberal critics of the USSR. The treatment meted out to Richard Dawkins shows that even for its notables, criticism of Islam is a red line that may not be crossed.  Those politically correct fatwas from the ayatollahs of Georgetown and the London School of Economics carry far more force than most Muslim fatwas.

Karima Bennoune’s Your Fatwa Does Not Apply Here not only challenges the fatwas of Islam, but also the politically correct fatwas of the Western left.

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  • Dan84iel

    So if inside every liberal there is a totalitarian waiting to emerge, does that apply to the Muslim liberals mentioned here?

    • Daniel Greenfield

      They’re still the left.

      • Dan84iel

        This is why I have never been enthusiastic about Ayaan Hirsi Ali. She has previously made statements lumping the Roman Catholic church with Nazism and Soviet communism. She also voted to ban a small Dutch Calvinist political party while an MP in the Netherlands. She is hostile to traditional Christianity in the West.

        • defcon 4

          She is an atheist. For atheists it’s much easier to go w/the flow and attack religions that won’t murder you or persecute you for doing so.

    • defcon 4

      “Muslim liberal”, are they the ones who hold your feet while the others saw your head off? Or are they the ones standing by and cheering while the deed is done? Or maybe they provide the long, dull knife necessary for the head chopping?

      • Daniel Greenfield

        Muslim liberal is a misnomer. A liberal Muslim is either secular or in denial that he’s secular.

        Which is to say he’s not really a Muslim, but has some cultural ties and is vague on the difference.

        • defcon 4

          If you say you’re a Naz!, doesn’t that imply your belief in the ideology?

          • Daniel Greenfield

            If Nazism had become integrated into German culture over a thousand years, it would be a similar analogy.

          • defcon 4

            That makes me feel much better about islam0fascism. ;^)

          • Drakken

            But German culture is about the fatherland/nationalism and has been since the days of the Crusades.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Sure. But Nazism was a historical blip. If it had dominated Germany for a thousand years, the lines would have blurred.

          • Drakken

            Thank God that Nazism didn’t take or communism for that matter.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Sure.

            Look at how much Communism sank into Russia. It took a generation to really get free enterprise going again.

            If it had made it for a thousand years, Russia would be as hopeless as some other parts of the world.

          • Memphis Viking

            Many Americans identify themselves as Christians, because they went to a Catholic or protestant church when they were kids, and their parents and grandparents did, but prove by their actions that they don’t believe in the ideology.

          • defcon 4

            Um, but Christians aren’t slaughtering/persecuting/enslaving people of other faiths all over the world. The CINO’s aren’t standing by while others of their faith commit atrocities in the name of their faith.

        • Moa

          Great article Daniel, thanks for writing it.

          I call the subject of your talk, “MINOs” – you win a chocolate fish if you can guess what that means. Some call them, “Cultural Muslims”.

          Of course, the “real” Muslims call them “apostates”.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Or a chocolate minnow. But yes MINOs is a good enough name for them.

        • JacksonPearson

          A Muslim liberal would be considered an infidel. e.g, He’d be hanging from an Iranian crane!

  • Naresh Krishnamoorti

    Arab leftists and Arab Islamists may be enemies, but they’re both fighting a common enemy in traditional Western culture; one fights it ideologically, the other fights it physically. The Western Left allies itself with both the Arab Left and the Arab Islamists because they all have the same common enemy, and the Western Left finds both tactical approaches (physical and ideological) useful.
    I don’t think the traditional West (for want of a better term) should ally itself with the Arab Left against Arab Islamism any more so than the traditional West should ally itself with Arab Islamism against the moral corruption of the Left.
    For example, we sometimes see Muslims working in the pro-life movement. Muslims were out protesting with Traditional Catholics against a blasphemous anti-Christian play in Paris. But their motives are different. (One Muslim protestor was interviewed on French TV complaining that it was the responsibility of only the Muslims to defend the honor of Jesus, the prophet, and that the cause was diminished by having polytheists — Catholics — joining them). They are using us for their own ends, while we see the cooperation as just a wonderful ecumenical opportunity. Their eyes are wide open, ours are half-closed.
    Nor should Western conservatives find solidarity with the Arab Left in opposing the Muslim Brotherhood.
    We are, ultimately, fighting a war against evil. While we should take advantage of every moral tactic available to us, and cooperate with as many people as is prudent, we have to maintain certain standards — purity of motive above all else — and we cannot make bedfellows of everyone who agrees with us on one thing or another any more so than we can use evil means to defeat evil.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      But that just means we have to keep our eyes open. We are fighting a war against evil, but the reality is that we don’t stand a real chance of moving forward without a coalition of different nations, ideologies and religions.

      Islam fights among itself, but it has done a much better job of putting a global coalition forward.

      • Chezwick

        Daniel is dead-on in terms of Karima Bennoune’s inevitable marginalization on the Western Left now that she has shattered one of their sacred cows (“Muslims, by virtue of their otherness, are intrinsically benign and victims-in-perpetuity”). I suspect her treatise will barely make a ripple in the halls of academe….(though I certainly hope I’m wrong). It is interesting to contemplate the reaction if a white male had, word-for-word, written the same book. The cacophony of indignation from the Islamo-Left would likely be deafening.

        I would only caution about the situation in Egypt. While the Arab Left and the American Right have indeed shared a common enthusiasm for Morsi’s overthrow, the situation is fluid. The Egyptian Left might well turn against the military government over time. It is a regime that is – for the moment – dependent on the largess of the conservative Gulf States and is not likely to antagonize them by embracing a radical cultural transformation. Furthermore, the euphoria over Morsi’s overthrow will surely dissipate and the problems of governance, the potential autocratic nature of the new regime, and the absence of ideological symmetry between it and the Left will all put pressure on what is – at face value – a marriage of convenience.

        • Daniel Greenfield

          It will inevitably turn on the military. They were clashing after Mubarak’s resignation and before.

        • truebearing

          In nations where extremist ideologies are in a steel cage death match for power, it is almost inevitable that governance will end up in the hands of the military, and in this case, I’m greatly relieved that it did.

          The military is inherently powerful. Without a clear majority supporting one ideological faction or another, the military is the default power.

          Regardless of who ends up in power in Egypt, their rule will be autocratic, so that is a given. The great thing about Egypt’s military is that they aren’t obsessed with any kind of ideological manifest destiny like the Muslim Brotherhood or the Left.

      • Naresh Krishnamoorti

        Daniel, unfortunately I got distracted by some tangent about “just war”, but I want to return to the topic about coalition-building, because I’ve had to deal with this issue myself. Would you build a coalition with anti-Semite Aryan Nation types just because they agreed with you on illegal immigration? Would you build a coalition with Westboro Baptist types just because they agreed with you about gay “marriage”? On a practical level, you don’t want your coalition partners to discredit you, as organizations like the EDL are finding out; but you also need to preserve a certain purity of motive.
        For example, if you want to build a global pro-life coalition, you want to include everyone who has a sincere desire to protect and defend innocent human life. You don’t want to include people who are rabid misogynists, who only happen to be anti-abortion for the same reason that they want to see all women dressed in burqas.
        It’s much easier for evil to put coalitions forward, because it is exclusively a destructive force — many tools can be used to destroy things. Many tools can be used to destroy Western Civilization. Fewer tools are capable of being constructive. A hundred disorganized madmen with axes can destroy a house pretty efficiently. To build a house, you need coordination, organization, people with certain skill sets. You have to be much more careful about who your associates are.

        • Daniel Greenfield

          I touched on this issue in another post which dealt with the issue of Nazis and that sort in the Counterjihad. Just as allying with the USSR in WW2 is a difficult question.

          There are two types of struggles. A political struggle that may be crucial, but is not an immediate question of life and death. And a more urgent life and death struggle.

          Some allies can contribute nothing positive, but at the same time in a life and death struggle there may be no other choice. So it’s in part a tactical question and a question of how bad things are and what are the options.

          • defcon 4

            Does the National Socialist Party even exist in the USA anymore? I know the KKK is nothing but a poor joke now (thankfully).

          • Daniel Greenfield

            There are various groups, most marginal, some government subsidized, most are a joke. Online NN communities are more vital in most cases than the old kind of physical groups.

          • defcon 4

            SO they’re nothing but a fringe group of lunatics, kinda like the KKK.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Barely that. But it’s more of an issue in Europe.

      • Taimoor Khan

        LOL. You are not fighting evil, you are fighting for oil and resources and the $$$ that is related to it. Try to find the evil you want to fight near you and you won’t be disappointed – I can assure of thata.

        • N. Wasse

          And your so called Allah demands that Muslim should loot the resources of the kuffar and then send 1/5 of the loot to him right Mr Arab wannabe?

    • Drakken

      Sorry to tell you this but there is NO morality in war period, you fight evil by getting downright medieval. It is the way it has always been, but liberal do gooders and wishful thinkers thought they were going to make war less violent, they could not be more wrong, and neither can you, and you will soon find out soon enough that those who take the so called high moral ground are going to be buried in it.

      • Daniel Greenfield

        I think there’s a middle ground. You have to match the enemy’s ruthlessness, but you can’t lose sight of what you’re fighting for.

        • defcon 4

          But which side is currently winning? Peaceful solutions never work w/totalitarian, supremacist, Jew hating ideologies.

        • Drakken

          I agree with you to a point Daniel, but one must always keep their eyes on the prize and when fighting islamist, there is no middle ground, and soon we are going to find that out. It will come down to what I call the Serb Option.

          • defcon 4

            All we have to do is look at what’s going on…everywhere to confirm your words.

      • Naresh Krishnamoorti

        First of all, I think you’re confusing “medieval” with “modern total.” The medieval period developed principles of just war. Secondly, there is nothing immoral about violent warfare, as long as the principles of just war are observed. You are confusing the word “moral” with “nice.” St. Gregory the Great wrote, “Reason opposes evil the better when anger ministers at her side.” He didn’t say anything about being nice.
        If, on the other hand, you believe that we should use nuclear weapons to turn an entire region into a parking lot, annihilate all life there, and salt its earth so that nothing grows for years, as the Romans did with Carthage, then, aside from becoming as evil as anyone on earth, you’d also find a very difficult time convincing anyone to pursue such a policy.

        • defcon 4

          So you lose.

          • Naresh Krishnamoorti

            Why do you fear the Muslims will win? Because they have superior weapons? No. It’s because they’re inspired by an all-encompassing ideology. You fear that we are not focused enough, so we’ll never be mobilized enough to combat such an ideology. The solution to this problem is not annihilating populations with nuclear weapons. The solution to the problem is inspiring our own culture with its own alternate ideology, which the West has successfully done on many occasions to defeat brutal, ruthless enemies.
            When you have your own people consorting with the enemy, as you do in Israel and the U.S., then you have a cultural weakness that will be the cause of eventual defeat. The cause will not be a lack of barbarity.

          • ziggy zoggy

            The failures of alternate ideologies led the map of Europe to change constantly for thousands of years. It’s still changing. So much for the West defeating brutal, ruthless enemies. Once in a while isn’t good enough.

            Cultural weakness can damage a country beyond recognition, but lefties in America and the Mexicans who are taking over will never tolerate an islamic America.

          • defcon 4

            Your solution won’t work when your government, law enforcement and judiciary are being infiltrated, subverted and corrupted by the very enemy you’re trying to defeat.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            I think Naresh, Ziggy and Defcon all have valid and interesting points. We’re not going to win without a cultural revival. But the cultural revival can’t handicap us militarily.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Naresh, you’re dead wrong. Nations have been fighting total wars since Philip of Macedonia developed the concept. Even before that, armies and city states were annihilated on a regular basis. Unless the Catholic Church is going to encourage a new Crusade, there is no use discussing just war theory. The Pentagon and Joint Chiefs have plenty of war plans that focus on victory rather than justice.

            There is absolutely no reason to fight Islam with half measures. There isn’t even a moral reason. Islam is evil to its core and its influence is wholly pernicious. There is not a single contribution it makes to humanity. Not one. Fighting enemies dedicated to killing us any way possible can be done with reason but not with chivalry. Nobody suggested nuking huge swathes of the islamic world, but destroying Mecca, Medina, Riyadh and the nuclear weapons installations in Iran is probably a necessary evil. It would be very easy to convince tens of millions of Americans to pursue such a policy. I think a charismatic or persuasive leader could convince the majority. Not that persuading the public would be necessary for a determined leader.

          • defcon 4

            What are the most likely events to occur over the next ten years in the United States of Obamastan:

            a. islam is reformed and expunges all antisemitic, xenophobic and violent verses from the holey texts of islam
            b. criticism of islam is outlawed as hate speech

          • ziggy zoggy

            I can’t wait to see the White House door hit that traitor in the @$$ on his way put. I just hope Hillary gets the Dem nomination, because I don’t think she can win.

            I’ve had all I want to take of Islam. There was a time when I never saw an islamopithecine in this country. Now I live in Southern California and it seems like I see some every time I leave the house. Almost always Iranian women, though. The men seem to hide and they’re much too lazy to do their own shopping. I don’t even see them in restaurants – not that that I want to, especially when I’m eating. I hate those stupid head scarves they wear as a sign of cultural imperialism.

            I have to admit I liked the Christian and secular Iranians I’ve met but I don’t trust any islamopithecine from any country but Indonesia, and not even then if it’s a male with a rag or topi on its head.

          • defcon 4

            Indonesia? eh? You mean the islam0fascist country currently ethnically cleansing W. Papua New Guinea of the filthy kuffar? Or the Indonesia that committed a genocide against the unbelieving kuffar in E. Timor?

          • ziggy zoggy

            Def,

            Most Indonesians oppose the things you described. And Indonesian chicks are so slutty that even American tarts would blush.

          • defcon 4

            If they oppose it, then why does it still go on? That’s always the excuse islam0nazi apologists use, it’s only a few islam0nazis. I’m not noticing ANY of your good islam0nazis coming out in opposition to ANY of it.

          • Porkys2istan

            Hilary won’t get the DemocratIC nomination in 2016. She’s like our (liberals) version of Bob Dole; just because it’s ‘her due’ and ‘her time’ doesn’t mean squat to us lefties. We’ll nominate who we actually want and who can actually win, not who the DNC tells us we ‘must’ vote for.

            I just hope we don’t get another islamophile, brainwashed by the ridiculous myth of ‘moderate’ islam. Despite what hyperbolic commentators say here at FPM, America can take (and prosper) during three more years of Obama. I’m just not sure there will be anything left of the rest of the world by then.

          • Naresh Krishnamoorti

            I’m not sure why you or others equate just war theory with “half measures” or being nice. Pre-emptively destroying Iran’s ability to create nuclear weapons would seem to qualify as a just use of force.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_war_theory

          • ziggy zoggy

            Like most doctrines, just war theory has limits. Whenever it is invoked, people are going to argue about what those limits are. Better to avoid unnecessary limits when dealing with islam.

            For instance, you believe that destroying Iran’s nuclear weapons facilities is a just use of force, but would you condone destroying Mecca and stripping islam of its illusion that “allah” protects that toilet for eternity? Would you condone destroying or seizing the oil producing capabilities that fund Islam and its terrorism? Would you condone a blockade that isolated most of the islamic world? Would you condone the outlaw of islam in America on constitutional grounds? Would you condone the expulsion of all islamopithecines from America or your country and the forfeiture of spall assets and funds?

            Because until those things are done, Islam is going to remain a major problem.

          • Omar Sharbash

            ‘There isn’t even a moral reason. Islam is evil to its core and its influence is wholly pernicious. There is not a single contribution it makes to humanity.’

            Establishing that racism is wrong a millennium plus before the West deigned to duplicate?

            Based on this diatribe, thank god you’re not in power.

          • defcon 4

            Islam isn’t a race islam0nazi, no matter how many times you write it is. Always funny how muslimes never have anything to say about the rabid anti-Jewish bigotry found in all the islamic holey books of hatred though.

          • Omar Sharbash

            (A) How you managed not to get my reply, I’ll never know. Unbelievable.

            (B) The Holocaust. Lectures on antisemitism rejected when coming from Christian nuts.

          • N. Wasse

            Your Allah tells you to kill the polytheists including your own ancestors the Hindus, and is that right or even moral?, and indeed millions were killed in the name of your so called Allah who also demanded that he and his so called prophet Mo should get 1/5 of the loot that was taken by force from your Hindu ancestors the real question is how do you plan to get to Allah his share of the loot? Do you know anyone who rents al-Buraq os you can use it to load Allah’s share?
            Charity starts at home Mr Arab wannabe shame on you

          • Omar

            Radical Islamists are the real nuts. They are the ones trying to call for a second Holocaust. Quit blaming others for the wrong-doings of totalitarians.

          • defcon 4

            “Radical” now that’s funny.

          • Omar Sharbash

            I didn’t blame anyone for anything. And, yes, Islamists are nutters too. Doesn’t mean others here should imitate their extremist bent, albeit one of a different nature.

          • Omar

            We don’t imitate the Islamists’ extremist “bent”. This website is all about protecting democracies and the free world from the radical leftist/Islamist threat. You, on the other hand, focus on almost non-existent “persecution” of Muslims in the West when all evidence points to the contrary and that the Islamists are at war with everyone. Please fact-check.

          • Omar Sharbash

            People calling for nuking Muslim-majority cities isn’t extremist?

            This website gives cover for many who are xenophobes, tainting what should be a worthy cause – the defense of Liberty – by exporting superficial ‘analysis’. Most of the time, in fact, the articles are simply extended slights directed at Muslims.

            There is a massive anti-Islam bias that’s become fashionable in Britain. It’s nasty and should be confronted.

            Again, I’ve said many times Islamists have to be defeated, so stop wielding the word ‘Islamists’ as some sort of Joker in the pack.

          • N. Wasse

            If the Arab invaders in 633 AD (when your Arab masters started the Islamic crusades aka the Arab invasions) had nukes they would have nuked the cities that they invaded in late antiquity

          • defcon 4

            “islamists” a delineation w/o a difference. A word coined by dishonest islam0nazis to disguise the fact there is no “moderate” islam, just a veneer covering a totalitarian ideology of Jew hatred and xenophobia that is second to none.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Nuking muslim majority cities, in retaliation to a nuke attack on an Infidel city?

            M.A.D. – Mecca Assured Destruction?

            It would be a necessary reaction – for starters.

          • Omar Sharbash

            What are you talking about? Follow the conversation a little more attentively.

          • N. Wasse

            And speaking of Mecca is it true that the color of the black stone used to be white but Arab women that wanted to have babies used to rub their genitals against it and this is why the color turned black form the dry blood from their menses is that true?
            So next time before you kiss the PAGAN stone in Mecca think of this little story

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            You are too kind. islamists are murderous savages.

            See what happened to Lee Rigby.

          • Taimoor Khan

            Islam may not be a race, but you are rabid and hateful just like folks on Stormfront. But Israeli Jews ARE RACIST. They are JewNaz!s. They hate Palestinians and occupy their land.

          • N. Wasse

            Islam is not a race Islam is an ideology and there is nothing spiritual about it
            As for the Palestinians: The Muslim invader of India Timur killed many of your Hindu ancestors so you see charity starts at home right?

          • Porkys2istan

            After 25 (more) years of non-stop global islamic terrorist attacks on women, children, shopping malls, unarmed soldiers waiting to deploy, financial institutions, bus and train riders, and soldiers walking on the street, HE (or someone just like him) JUST MIGHT BE IN POWER.

            By that time, however, he will be considered a ‘moderate’ for ONLY wanting to nuke a dozen muslim cities, instead of all of them across the entire globe.

          • Omar Sharbash

            Why don’t you engage with the points made.

            Summary: he said ‘there is not a single contribution it (i.e. Islam) makes to humanity’. I responded that it outlawed racism more than a thousand years before the West. His statement is, therefore, proven false.
            [The working assumption here, of course, is we all agree racism is bad.]

            Your crappy nuclear scenario will never come to pass, not because Westerners en masse are quislings or ill-advised, rather it’s because reasonable societies see you (and your like) for what you are: madmen.

            Only if Iran gets a bomb would your scenario risk actualisation and even then, it’s very unlikely in light of MAD doctrine.

          • N. Wasse

            Islam outlawed racism really? Where in the Qur’an would i find that “islam outlaws racism? and if so then why do your masters the Arabs despise and abuse Pakis like you and call them names the likes of “the poor ones from India”? And why did the Muslim invaders of India murder millions of your Hindu ancestors Mr Arab wannabe?

          • Omar Sharbash

            You’re being disingenuous and you know it.

          • N. Wasse

            Know what? that your so called prophet Mo called black people raisins? or that your Wahhabi maters call black people Abeed or slaves or that the Arabs call Pakis “the poor ones from India” so which one is it?

          • Omar Sharbash

            You’re either disingenuous, i.e. have an agenda, or you’re ignorant/thick.

          • N. Wasse

            Mr Einstein the Arabs call your likes “the poor one from India” and it is an insult and blatant racism and then you tell us that there in no racism in Islam? you are only kidding yourself
            But wait your Allah says that he pre-plans everything racism included then if there are racists out there then we can only blame your Allah who plans it all
            See? Muhammad was a poor theologian

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            We know taqiyya when we see it.

          • Omar Sharbash

            Taqiyya is a thing in Shia Islam and they are only permitted to use it if their lives are at risk. Unfortunately for you, I’m not Shia and taqiyya is a common sense strategy, people the world over use.

            Just because you’ve a smattering of Islamic terminology isn’t prescription to be haughty.

          • defcon 4

            There is an equivalent policy of dishonesty in the Sunni ideology.

          • N. Wasse

            It is called al-Taqiyya but like a lost Paki you have no clue like the other ignorant Arab wannabe Ali about using the Arabic language defenite article right?
            The doctrine of al-Taqiyya is a Quranic doctrine the shia did not make it up and Aymman el-Zawahiri tells his terrorist followers that when living among kuffar it is perfect to use al-Taqiyya
            Now you tell me how come you did not know that? It is one of two things you are either ignorant or you knew but you were hoping that we kuffar do not know so which one is it? Liar or ignorant?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            If you think that Mecca and the kabbah would NOT be totally destroyed, in retaliation to a WMD attack on Israel, then you are a fool.

            The devil worshipping ayatollahs in the islamofascist regime of iran proclaim that all they need is one bomb. Mecca/Medina are even smaller than Israel and Tehran is smaller than Israel.

          • Omar Sharbash

            Nonsense.

          • defcon 4

            Being a muslime, nonsense is your specialty.

          • N. Wasse

            The nonsense is to believe that an Arabian deity called Allah spoke to an Arabian warlord and caravan raider and child molester via an angel
            Oh and if I say to you: did I tell you that Allah spoke to me too via an angel and I have a book for you? You should not believe me
            Prophet Mo was no more than fraud

          • N. Wasse

            Oh Islam’s contrition to humanity? there are many:
            1. The doctrine of holy war
            2. The doctrine of terrorizing the enemies of Allah and looting what they have and then sending 1/5 of the loot to Allah
            3. The doctrine of killing apostates
            4. The doctrine of the inquisition
            5. The doctrine of spreading Islam by the sword as in Q9:5 and killing polytheists and this is why millions of your ancestors were murdered by the Muslim invaders of India
            6. Muslim women can breast feed other men
            7. Drinking camels urine can cure all diseases
            8. The earth is flat and the sun and the moon orbit earth
            9. The mountains are like the pegs of a tent and they prevent earthquakes so is that true?
            10. The Qur’an which is a violent book that should not be read before going to sleep or you will have nightmares
            This is what Islam contributed to humanity stupidity and ignorance

          • Omar

            Look at the history of Islamist persecution of Christians, Jews, people of other religions and non-religious peoples. Quit supporting Islamist propaganda.

          • Omar Sharbash

            If I cede to your premise, for the sake of argument, could you identify the racism in it, please?

          • Omar

            Read the Hadith. The Islamist Hadith is racist and calls for the genocide of the Jews. Remember the text on the rocks and tree.

          • Omar Sharbash

            You have a redacted understanding of Islam. I know the Hadith you’re referring to but it does not call for the annihilation of Jews. If it did, it’s for you to explain the disconnect of why Jews were not exterminated in the Middle Ages (or at any time in Muslim-majority societies) when Muslims were the whip hand and why Persian Jews have remained. At least explain why there hasn’t been the equivalent of the Holocaust in the Islamic world.

            p.s. Jews are a religious group, at least in the eyes of Islamic doctrine, and not a distinct racial one.

          • Omar

            The reason why Jews were not exterminated by Islamists is because of the great powers of the West, who believe in tolerance, human rights, democracy and freedom. The West kept Islamists in check for a long time. However, the Israelis have been worried about the policies of the American president, who is very sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamist groups.

          • Omar Sharbash

            Uh, no. The West wasn’t always more powerful than the East. I meant, why, during the height of the Islamic Empire, did Muslims not at least put in a concerted effort to ‘annihilate the Jews’?

            p.s. America didn’t exist then.

          • Omar

            Remember that the pope was in charge of much of Western Europe during the Middle Ages. The Crusades prevented the Islamists from taking over the world. That’s a fact.

          • defcon 4

            Slaves, er, dhimmis were more profitable. Timurlane killed fellow muslimes for keeping the najjis kaffir in the subjugation know as dhimmitude because to Timurlane it was too lenient.

          • N. Wasse

            Do you know why Muslims did not kill all Hindus in India? Let me help you: there were too many of them and what is better than to regard them as part of the “people of the book” so your masters the Muslims that invaded India can collect the mafia tax called al-Jizya
            Shame on you for defending the beast that brutalized your own people and that is Islam

          • defcon 4

            Persian Jews are a rapidly disappearing minority in the islamic “republic” of Iran — along with Baha’i, Zoroastrians (the indigenous faith of Persia) and Christians — and all because of the predations and persecution inherent and explicit in your death cult “Omar”.

          • Omar Sharbash

            Stop purposely misconstruing facts to ‘prove’ your point. It’s not flying over here.

            Your, and others’, accusation is testable. The claim is that Islam prescribes a policy of annihilation with regard Jews. Give me a historical instance of when Muslims – they’ve been around for almost 1.500 years, btw – set about killing off Jews.

          • defcon 4

            WHy don’t we look at the slaughter in Grenada, in Al Andalus? Some ten thousand unarmed Jews (the najjis kaffir were not allowed to be armed as dhimmis, even in self defense) by muslimes who were outraged a Jewish governor had been appointed to rule over them.

          • N. Wasse

            Millions of your Hindu ancestors were murdered enslaved and raped by your Muslim masters that invaded India right?
            Your Arab masters call your likes “the poor one from India” and they despise Indian Muslims and Pakistanis right?
            Oh the Saudis? They call black people: Abeed or slaves right?
            Oh and your so called prophet called black people raisons right?
            And you tell us that there is no racism in Islam?

          • defcon 4

            I’d be happier if he were islam0nazi. We already know what would happen to us for criticising your damned, dumb death cult in any of your islam0fascist pigs wallows — and it wouldn’t be a free and open forum for mutual understanding and debate.

          • Omar Sharbash

            Any actual points to make, babble-meister?

          • N. Wasse

            I read this as you have nothing to say

          • Taimoor Khan

            Great reply. But these deranged anti-social elements cannot be argued. If you go to Stormfront website, which promotes white supremacist attitudes, you will hear similar anti-social mentally deranged people talking like that about people of color, and so on. These people cannot do sh_t. Many westerns also abhor these types of people.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            stormfront? The ones who celebrate hitler and his allies like the “grand mufti” of Jerusalem?

          • Taimoor Khan

            And you are like them on different side of the pond. You both are anti-social and extremists. They hate people of color and you hate Muslims. They quote scripture, you do the same. They are rabid, you are too. They collectively condemn a people, you do too.

          • N. Wasse

            And your Allah hates polytheists like your own ancestors the Hindus and he hates Christians and Jews and Zoroastrians and Jain and Sikhs and women so let us have a deal delete all the hate in the Qur’an and we kuffar will stop going after Islam deal?

          • N. Wasse

            It is despicable that your name is the same name as Timur that killed millions of your Hindu ancestors Mr Arab wannabe
            And in regard to Egypt: Hitler was also elected right? Oh Morsi? he is a criminal and a terrorist
            I urge you to leave Islam and be free from the Arabs and their imperialism

          • Taimoor Khan

            “Hitler was also elected” can be applied to all democracies and can be used as good excuse to disband every elected government. So who says Obama shouldn’t be disbanded?

          • N. Wasse

            Mr ignorant democracies have laws to impeach an inept and corrupt president or even to put him in jail. The criminal and terrorist Morsi in late 2012 wanted to change the constitution in Egypt so no one can impeach him
            And sure Obama will be “disbanded” what ever that is if he breaks the law
            I urge you to leave islam and be free from the Arabs and their imperialism Mr Timur!

          • N. Wasse

            Mr Arab wannabe Egypt under the terrorist group called MB was not a democracy
            Hint: Democracy pre-supposes secularism and because there is no secularism in Islam there was democracy under the terrorist MB now do you get it?

  • Fred

    Some useful points, but article is shrill and paints with too broad a brush: the LSE, for instance, far from issuing fatwas, is hosting Bennoune for a lecture promoting her book. Check the LSE website, and in general a bit more googling for research might make these articles better informed.

    • Rocky Mountain

      If by LSE you mean the London School of Economics then what better left wing forum could a left wing author hope for?

    • Daniel Greenfield

      I was speaking of the LSE in relation to overt critics of Islam. Not her.

      “The Western left has ostracized liberal critics of Islam as thoroughly
      as it once suppressed liberal critics of the USSR. The treatment meted
      out to Richard Dawkins shows that even for its notables, criticism of
      Islam is a red line that may not be crossed. Those politically correct
      fatwas from the ayatollahs of Georgetown and the London School of
      Economics carry far more force than most Muslim fatwas.”

    • Daniel Greenfield

      I do give LSE credit for not packaging the appearance as moderate Muslims, etc, but listing nationalities resisting “Muslim fundamentalism”.

      That’s a step forward by the UK left’s standards these days.

  • N. Wasse

    You hit the nail on the head. Liberals in Egypt (read this as secularists, socialists and leftists) have no like for the Muslim Brotherhood (MB) and they regard the MB as a terrorists group and they just do not get it and they keep asking how can the leftists in the west not see that the MB group is a terrorist group. But more puzzling to them is that they do not understand why would even republicans the likes of McCain seem to support the MB
    The one they keep blaming for this illogical support of the MB is Obama and we keep hearing the mantra that Obama supports terrorists
    What is the way out? Conservatives should make it clear to the the liberals in Egypt that we support their struggle against the MB and their terrorism and that we can tell McCain to shut up

    • Daniel Greenfield

      I think we’ve been doing that. But the Egyptian left also finds it convenient to pit itself against America. It’s certainly done wonders for their populism. But they are clearly “communicating” with us by using our materials and putting out materials they know we will find useful.

      By the way, can I ask about your background in a general sense?

      • Michael__Durham

        The only solution:

        Just kick all the Muslim-coddling Bolshevik “progressive” DemonRAT Left off American soil, along with their Islamoterrorist front groups and allies. Kick them ALL out. Wall off America, and keep these bastards out. Fortress America. Only answer.

        • defcon 4

          This is the only tenable solution — as 65 years of unending islam0fascist terrorism in Israel and India pay bloody testimony to.

        • Porkys2istan

          The Koch Brothers and the 1% would like to thank you for your undying support.

          Also, the pension that you worked for your whole life has been destroyed by speculative bankers, who got bonuses instead of jail time. Social Security, Medicare, and Obamacare have all been long repealed, so don’t get sick or disabled as you work well into your 90′s. :P

          • defcon 4

            Who are the wealthiest 0.25% in the entire f’ing WORLD? Islam0nazis in the Gulf states, the islam0nazis who fund the spread of the cancer called islam0nazis as well as islam0nazi terrorist organizations.

          • Porkys2istan

            He said, “Muslim-coddling Bolshevik “progressive” DemonRATs.” That’s me. Except that I’m a Counter-Jihadist instead of an islamobuttlicker. :P (I wasn’t too fond of the Bolsheviks either.)

            The Counter-Jihad will flounder until leftists are finally made to see the truth about islam. As long as you view liberals as your ‘enemy’ you will never be able to convince them of anything and the ‘IslamOnazis’ will win.

          • defcon 4

            You can’t convince a collaborator that they’re wrong for supporting fascists, and islam IS fascism.

      • N. Wasse

        I’m an avid reader of Arabic as well as English language blogs written by Egyptians in particular and Arabs in general as part of getting to know the enemy of our civilization and that is Islam and to me these blogs are great sources about what really is happening in that part of the world
        I use googletranslate and I have a very good Christian Lebanese friend that helps with texts that are not really clear and if in doubt about words I check Arabic language dictionaries and use googletranslate et voila I have the answer
        It for sure helps that I studied history so texts make more sense to me than to a person who has no command of how to read texts

        • Daniel Greenfield

          Well your comments are always informative so keep it up

          • N. Wasse

            Thank you and I will stick around.

            And I wish that you look into Morsi’s upcoming trial in November. He is a criminal because he was responsible for the torture and then murder of 12 activists that were protesting, this past fall, in-front of el-Itihadiyya presidential palace in Cairo. The reason for murdering these activists? It is because Morsi wanted to change the constitution by adding a clause that states that no one can impeach him. So who murdered the activists? No other than members of the MB and it is all on youtube. and in the blogs and tweets
            Our government was supporting a terrorist and a murderer of his own people and his name is Mohamed Morsi

            You know the biggest enemy of Islamists is turning out to be the cameras on smart phones

    • ObamaYoMoma

      Conservatives should make it clear to the the liberals in Egypt that we support their struggle against the MB and their terrorism and that we can tell McCain to shut up

      Why? The Left in Egypt is out numbered 3 to 1. In other words, they are going to lose no matter what. Not to mention that democracy in the Islamic world is absolutely 100 percent impossible, and even if it were possible, it would end up like Israel with a perpetual endless jihad waged against it. So why waste valuable resources on a total lost cause? The conservatives should advocate that the US bud out of Egypt altogether, since there is nothing for us to win or gain over there. If the Left wins, which is impossible, we lose in any event because the Left is anti-capitalist, i.e., Marxist, which is destined to inevitably fail in any event exactly like in time it always does. Meanwhile, if Islam wins, any state will inevitably be a Sharia totalitarian hellhole. Thus, the best solution in Egypt is the current one, military authoritarian rule, which is more or less what was there before under Mubarak.

      By the way, Muslims aren’t terrorists. They are jihadists fighting jihad (holy war) instead.

      • N. Wasse

        So what is the difference between al-jihad fi sabeel Allah and al-irhab fi sabeel Allah? I will be waiting for your answer with great anticipation
        Stikc to the question deal?

        • ObamaYoMoma

          So what is the difference between al-jihad fi sabeel Allah and al-irhab fi sabeel Allah? I will be waiting for your answer with great anticipation

          I bet you are, but it nevertheless depends on the context. Don’t you think? In any event, exactly like a leftist you are trying to avoid responding to my post by cooking up little absurd and meaningless pissing matches. Give me a freaking break. Come on just give me a straight answer without playing any games.

          Oh darn it I have a second question: where is your evidence that the liberals in Egypt are “outnumbered 3 to 1″ hard and solid evidence

          I don’t have hard and solid evidence, as that number is just a rough estimate I made up off the top of my head after reading an assortment of polls covering Egyptians over the course of several months. If anything I may have over-estimated the number of leftwing secular Egyptians in Egypt.

          In any event, it really doesn’t matter, because even if they should win, which again is utterly impossible, it would only be a very fleeting victory as they will inevitably lose in the long run in any event, and they will lose because Marxism ultimately is a recipe for failure and also because just like every other infidel country in the world, but especially when it comes to the infidel countries, like Israel, located in the totalitarian Islamic world, they would have to fend off a never ending perpetual jihad.

          As a matter of fact, because of Islam, there are only two types of governments possible in the totalitarian Islamic world: very authoritarian governments ruled by a military junta and/or a strongman, or otherwise Islamic totalitarian hellholes. Other forms of population control that may arise over there will inevitably be very temporary and extremely short lived.

          For sure, a Western style of democracy that embraces freedom and liberty for all will be incredibly fleeting. Not to mention that in the eyes of Islam, democracy comprised of manmade secular laws is an abomination that must be obliterated and replaced by Sharia, which emanates divinely, i.e., directly from Allah (God), and therefore must supersede all inferior manmade laws.

          And do me a favor, stick to responding to my post without starting up little meaningless games. Do you get it?

          • N. Wasse

            You proved my point.

            Sometimes silence is golden

          • defcon 4

            WE’ll be seeing a lot more silence about islam0nazism — when they have successfully outlawed free speech (as they are once again attempting to do by suing Ezra Levant in Canada).

          • ObamaYoMoma

            First you refuse to respond and then exactly like a leftard attempted to change the subject by playing a stupid little meaningless game.

            Yeah right, if anyone proved a point go look in the mirror. You don’t have a clue because you are completely oblivious to the scourge of Islam and the very profound roll it plays throughout the Islamic world. If you are too chicken shit to respond, you could have at least agreed with me. Again, democracy in the Islamic world is impossible. So why throw good money away chasing what is impossible? Indeed, you are as dumb as GWB with his exceedingly fantasy-based so-called “War on Terror” to remake the Islamic world that inevitably turned into the biggest strategic blunder ever in American history. Some of you geniuses can’t learn from past mistakes.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            First, you refuse to respond and then exactly like a leftard attempted to change the subject by playing a stupid little meaningless game.

            Yeah right, if anyone proved a point go look in the mirror. You don’t have a clue because you are completely oblivious to the scourge of Islam and the very profound roll it plays throughout the Islamic world. If you are too chicken $h!t to respond, you could have at least agreed with me. Again, democracy in the Islamic world is impossible. So why throw good money away chasing what is impossible? Indeed, you are as dumb as GWB with his exceedingly fantasy-based so-called “War on Terror” to remake the Islamic world that inevitably turned into the biggest strategic blunder ever in American history. Some of you geniuses can’t learn from past mistakes.

          • N. Wasse

            Boring

    • Taimoor Khan

      How can any liberal support brutal military dictatorship? You are not liberal, and Egyptian so-called liberals who support army takeover are NOT liberals, they are supporters of military dictatorships.

      MB was elected by Egyptians. I know genuine Egyptians leftists who oppose army takeover, but also opposed some policies MB’s government.

      • N. Wasse

        Hitler was also elected by Germans right Mr Arab wannabe?
        You see millions of your Hindu ancestors were brutalized and killed by your Muslim masters that invaded India right? you see charity starts at home!
        Even your name is the same as Timur that brutalized your own ancestors the Hindus! Even the Arabs have no like for Pakis

      • defcon 4

        Muslimes are not liberals, because islam has nothing to do w/freedom and everything to do w/oppression, misery and death.

      • N. Wasse

        Mr Einstein Hitler was also elected by the German people right? And your name in Timur right? the criminal that brutalized your Hindu ancestors right? So you see charity starts at home

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        “How can any liberal support brutal military dictatorship?”

        How can any liberal / PROGRESSIVE support REGRESSIVE hamass, hezbullah, muslim brotherhood, islamists who murder women, gays, Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Bahais, journalists, filmmakers?

      • N. Wasse

        Hitler was also elected by Germans right? Morsi is a criminal and a terrorist just like Hitler

        • defcon 4

          Hitler was NOT elected. He was appointed Chancellor by Hindenburg. Hitler seized power.

          • N. Wasse

            Millions of Germans voted for his party (what a shame) and in July of 1933 he had 230 seats in the Reich stag and the rest is history

  • ObamaYoMoma

    the tiny minority of Muslim extremists and the infinite Muslim moderates victimized by Islamophobia.

    There are no Muslim extremists and Muslim moderates. However, there is a tiny minority of violent jihadists, and an infinite number of Muslim non-violent stealth and deceptive jihadists, as all Muslims, even women and children, per the dictates of Islam, are jihadists in one form or another. Otherwise they are blasphemous apostates that per the dictates of Islam must be executed.

    The Western left has abandoned its Arab stepchildren. It has found it convenient to forget that all the Arab Communists, Trotskyites, Socialists and assorted intellectuals of the left ever existed.

    The Arab Left is a small minority overall in the Islamic world. As a matter of fact, had the Muslim Brotherhood remained in power in Egypt, the Arab Left in that country would inevitably have been obliterated in time as the Iranian Left in Iran was eradicated as part of the Islamic revolution that occurred over there starting in 1979, even though it was the Iranian Left that initiated the revolution that the Muslims then subsequently hijacked and co-opted as their own.

    What she is really writing about is the social struggle between the Arab Left and its Islamists allies and enemies.

    As always the Islamic world exploits the gullibility and stupidity of the Left because they are useful idiots to gain their objectives, then once their objectives have been met, all gullible useful idiots which comprise the Left, is eliminated. Indeed, study the Islamic Revolution that occurred in Iran. With the exception of a small number lucky enough to escape Iran with their lives, the remainder of the useful idiot Left in Iran was eradicated. Yet, the useful idiot Left as usual never learns from these experiences, as it also never learns as well that Marxism in all of its many manifestations always inevitably also fails in time.

    she is taking her liberal readers beyond Malala territory and showing them Muslim women who reject the Hijab and Muslim men who reject much of what passes for Islamic law, and if her Muslim men and women are about as religious as many of her readers, that should only make them easier to relate to as she guides Western college students into rejecting the Islamist narrative.

    Actually, in the eyes of all Muslims, all Muslim women who reject the Hijab and all Muslim men who reject much of what passes for Islamic law, are not Muslims at all, but blasphemous apostates instead, that per the texts and tenets of Islam, must be executed.

    that Muslim terrorism is a reaction to American foreign policy,

    The existence of Muslim terrorism is a leftwing political correct myth, i.e., it’s leftwing propaganda that portrays Muslims as victims of Western provocations. The reality is Muslim are jihadists instead, i.e., Mujahideen (holy warriors), waging jihad (holy war) in the cause of Allah to ultimately make Islam supreme throughout the world. As the sole fundamental purpose of Islam is subjugation into Islamic totalitarianism of all religions and all infidels through both violent and non-violent jihad and the eventual imposition of Sharia, which is Islamic totalitarian law, to make Islam supreme. Indeed, Muslims through jihad (holy war) are waging a very perpetual, preemptive, and very aggressive war against all religions and all infidels according to the dictates of Islam.

    Outwardly Your Fatwa Does Not Apply Here may be packaged to fit into the moderate Muslim narrative, but inside it often becomes as direct and abrasive as its title.

    In reality there is no such thing as moderate Muslims, as moderate Muslims by definition would be blasphemous apostates that per the dictates of Islam must be executed.

    Now, just when the Arab left was hoping its hour had come, the Western left traded the strongmen for the Islamists. And that is a bitter pill to swallow.

    Just as in reality there is no such thing for so-called moderate Muslims, the existence of so-called Islamists, i.e., radical Muslims, is also a leftwing political correct myth, as all Muslims are either mainstream orthodox Muslims or otherwise blasphemous apostates that per the dictates of Islam must be executed.

    It is going to be between Western liberals (friendly to the Islamists) and Eastern liberals (unfriendly to the Islamists).”

    It should be: It is going to be between Western liberals (friendly to Muslims) and Eastern liberals (unfriendly to Muslims).” Unfortunately, this writer is very conflicted by the detrimental influence that leftwing propaganda and political correctness has rendered upon him.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      Unfortunately you’re a dishonest troll who deliberately misquotes and distorts the words of the people you’re attacking.

      Here’s the full context of that quote which makes it clear that I’m speaking about the propaganda of Islam and the left, rather than offering my opinion.

      “Since September 11, the alliance between the Saudi and Muslim
      Brotherhood front groups and the Western Left has become ubiquitous.
      It’s impossible to read a paper or watch the evening news without
      encountering representatives of both groups delivering the familiar
      homilies about foreign policy, the tiny minority of Muslim extremists
      and the infinite Muslim moderates victimized by Islamophobia..”

      • ObamaYoMoma

        I’m not attacking. I’m simply pointing out inaccuracies, and I didn’t insinuate that you wrote it even though you obviously think I did. Sorry.

        • Daniel Greenfield

          You have a pattern of doing it and playing innocent.

          Your concluding attack quite clearly accused me of writing something that was a quote and snipped the quote part

          “It should be: It is going to be between Western liberals (friendly to Muslims) and Eastern liberals (unfriendly to Muslims).” Unfortunately, this writer is very conflicted by the detrimental influence that leftwing propaganda and political correctness has rendered upon him.”

          You conveniently snipped the context where that was part of a quote

          “In the Egyptian paper Al-Ahram, Nabil Shawkat wrote that “the next global cultural clash is not going to be between the West and Islam. It is going to be between Western liberals (friendly to the Islamists) and Eastern liberals (unfriendly to the Islamists).”

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Don’t humor yourself, I usually don’t read your articles since they are filled with so many inaccuracies. I usually just scan them for the really obvious ones, which is how the one you are referencing above occurred. Hence, since I wasn’t looking at who was responsible for quoting what, I simply spotted an inaccuracy and made light of it. Nevertheless, we’ve also all seen you mislabel mainstream orthodox Muslims as being Islamists, i.e. Muslim extremists, countless times. Thus, I’m sticking by my original assessment: this writer is very conflicted by the detrimental influence that leftwing propaganda and political correctness has rendered upon him.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Orthodox Muslims follow the letter of the Koran.

            Hence osama bin laden, muslim brotherhood, islamofascist regime of iran, wahabism, salifisim.

            Are you a camp follower of Moron Paul too?

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Are you a camp follower of Moron Paul too?

            I don’t know how many times I’ve said it, but Muslims are not victims perpetrating terrorist attacks in response to Western Imperialism, if you are a member of the Left, or in response to America’s “interventionist” Foreign Policy, if you are a Ron Paul kook, or in the case of Israel, in response to harsh Israeli policies, as all of that is nothing but leftwing propaganda or Ron Paul horse manure. Instead, Muslims are jihadists, i.e., Mujahideen (holy warriors), waging jihad (holy war) to ultimately make Islam supreme. As the sole fundamental purpose of Islam is the subjugation into Islamic totalitarianism of all religions and all infidels through both violent and non-violent jihad and the eventual imposition of Sharia, which is Islamic totalitarian law, to make Islam supreme throughout the world. Indeed, it’s a very preemptive and aggressive holy war!

            Orthodox Muslims follow the letter of the Koran.
            Hence osama bin laden, muslim brotherhood, islamofascist regime of iran, wahabism, salifisim

            Mainstream orthodox Muslims comprise all legitimate Muslims, as all people of Islamic persuasion are either Muslims or otherwise blasphemous apostates that per the texts and tenets of Islam must be executed. Furthermore, all mainstream orthodox Muslims are jihadists in one form or another, or otherwise blasphemous apostates that again per the texts and tenets of Islam must be executed. There is no freedom of conscience in Islam, as the freedom of conscience in Islam is tightly controlled under the penalty of death for blasphemy and apostasy. Which also means, by the way, that Islam is not a faith-based religion, but a very totalitarian cult instead posing as being a religion. Of course, to Muslims it is a religion, but Muslims nevertheless don’t understand what religion actually is. Indeed, the concept of faith is based on the freedom of conscience where each individual is free to choose whether or not to believe. In Islam, Muslims aren’t afforded that luxury.

          • defcon 4

            If a muslime follows the koran at all can they still be good people? Can you one still believe in a evil ideology and be good? Do you really think this kind of academic, ivory tower moralizing goes on in ANY islamofascist state? Do you think muslimes moralize about their treatment of the najjis kaffir? Do you think there is any hand-wringing going in the muslime world over the treatment of the najjis kaffir?

          • ObamaYoMoma

            If a muslime follows the koran at all can they still be good people

            In the Islamic sense, they are good people. Indeed, the more devout, the better they are. As a matter of fact, Jihadists that die in the cause of Islam get to by pass purgatory and get instead a one-way ticket to Allah’s version of carnal paradise.

            Do you think muslimes moralize about their treatment of the najjis kaffir?

            No…we najjis kaffirs are subhuman, unless we submit to the will of Allah.

            Do you think there is any hand-wringing going in the muslime world over the treatment of the najjis kaffir?

            Not in the least.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            ” mainstream orthodox Muslims as being Islamists”

            You’re saying that’s not true?

            You sound like a Moron Paul. bot

          • ObamaYoMoma

            ” mainstream orthodox Muslims as being Islamists”

            You’re saying that’s not true?

            You sound like a Moron Paul. bot

            Prior to 9/11/2001 the word “Islamist” referred to academics that specialized in the study of Islam and that were inevitably marginalized by the Left. That was before the word was hijacked by the Left to use as a more political correct term to imply Muslim extremists, i.e., radical Muslims, which is a political correct myth created by the Left to explain away behaviors by Muslims that didn’t quite conform to their fiction that Islam is a so-called “religion of peace”. Thus, I’m not surprised in the least given the moronic tenor of your posts that you gobbled up the Left’s propaganda like it was cotton candy. Very apparently, you aren’t a deep thinker at all. Sorry, I only call them as I see them.

          • defcon 4

            I have to agree w/you. The hand wringing and ivory tower moralizing about the nature of islam0fascism doesn’t go on in the islamic world. There are no muslimes decrying the treatment of the najjis kaffir in the islamic world, much less doing anything about it. Free speech will be the first thing to go.

          • ziggy zoggy

            You’re right about islamopithecines being observant or apostates, and that Islam is always extreme and totalitarian. However, you could convince more people if you practiced a bit more tact.

            And yeah, I know I’m the last guy to suggest tact, but there it is.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            You have a pattern of doing it and playing innocent.

            I don’t suppose you can document this? I didn’t think so.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            You couldn’t wait for the answer to your question?

            Premature eJERKulation.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Because I already know he can’t put his money where his mouth is.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            You need to learn the word “hubris”.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Why? Did he put his money where his mouth is?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Here are your own words from your earlier post::

            “I don’t suppose you can document this? I didn’t think so.”
            Did you expect an answer from DG
            between the “this?” and the “I”?
            You really are an impatient self important fool.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Still no patience to wait for an answer to your question?

            Take a valium – a bottle of valium..

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Learn to mind your own damn business moonbat! What’s the deal? You have a crush on the man? I noticed from your first post on here that there was something different about you. Now it’s obvious what it is! Oh well.

  • Mr. Rachford’s ire

    This country needs to understand how complex the Progressive mind set of activist are and becoming harder to understand daily

  • truebearing

    Shouldn’t Bennoune’s “denouncing the Western left for drinking the “multicultural Kool-Aid” have her questioning her own Kool-Aid addiction? That line shows an awareness that is floating in irony. Is this her first step in a budding apostasy, or the usual selective morality of leftist thinking?

    • Daniel Greenfield

      The non-Western left isn’t particularly multicult. Even the Western left wasn’t until fairly recently.

      • defcon 4

        And muslime states are anything but multi-cult and becoming less so on practically a daily basis.

  • Raymond – Jesus is Lord.

    Barack Hussein Obama Supporters Call For The Cold Blooded
    Murder Of NRA President, All NRA Members & The Repeal
    Of The 2nd Amendment…

    http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/12/liberals-call-for-murder-of-nra-president-members-repeal-of-second-amendment/

  • Memphis Viking

    The western left dumped the Arab left for the Islamists because they’r more interested in destroying the western right than in achieving anything in the Arab world.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      To neo-commies, the enemy of my enemy is my ally.

      Hence the Red (commie) / Green (islamist) Axis of EVIL.

  • Omar Sharbash

    You’re all a bunch of loons, honestly. Do you think it’s possible extremists of all hues are genetically circumscribed; It’s as if they experience the world in 1D.

    • defcon 4

      Yeah islam0nazi, none of us have noticed the ethnic cleansing, persecution, rape and murder of people of other faiths being practiced by muslimes all over the world, in the here and now.