When is State Torture Okay? When it’s Palestinian Authority Torture


It’s about time the government stopped all those atrocities at Abu Ghraib and started giving more money to the Palestinian Authority to torture people instead.

You try your best to avoid being violent,’ the Palestinian security man tells me. ‘But in cases where the data is strong, and the prisoner is not co-operating, and when there might be harm done to others – then you must be.

‘I’m not going to lie to you. Torture is used. We have to protect our people.

‘Interrogation is a war between two personalities. You order the prisoner to sit, and he sits. You offer him a cigarette, and if he says he doesn’t smoke, you say, “No, you must smoke.”

The obvious irony here is that putting terrorists in charge still means that they will have to replicate some version of the “Occupation” to deal with their enemies.

The Occupation never ends because it’s not a product of some external force, but the result of internal violence. Israel could leave Gaza, but it couldn’t stay out because of Hamas. Israel could turn over power to the Palestinian Authority, but PA interrogators have to do the sort of things that the old bad Israelis did, because there is no other option.

‘In the Nineties, we used to torture them badly. We beat them hard and we made them like a car that doesn’t function. But we were defending our home, the region and the rest of the world. I am happy it was justified.’

Not to mention the planet.

Nowadays, he adds, the preferred method is termed ‘shabeh’ – the hooding and tying of the prisoner in a variety of agonising positions for up to eight hours. He does not elaborate on the details, but claims: ‘It works with 95 per cent of the subjects.’ It also takes considerable skill: ‘You have to deal with it as if you were playing a guitar. Each case has its own speciality.’

This extraordinary interview is the first admission by a former perpetrator of the widespread torture of Palestinians – not by Israel, but by the Palestinian Authority (PA) which governs the Israeli-occupied West Bank.

It was given to me last week in a dusty Palestinian city. Across the table was a well-dressed, middle-aged family man with an infectious smile – a former PA official.

He spoke only on the strictest condition of anonymity as he feared becoming a torture victim himself should his identity become public.

You know that a society is really a proper democratic place when the torturers are afraid to talk because they know that they will be tortured.

  • http://twitter.com/Abdurehmanustan @Abdurehmanustan

    biased much

    • Edward Cline

      Meaning….? If you want to say something, Abdurehmanustan, then say it. Don't leave some dumb insinuating, two-word comment. Or are you a troll?

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Islamofasciststan is a racist terrorist entity.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      Definition of BIAS

      3a : bent, tendency
      b : an inclination of temperament or outlook; especially : a personal and sometimes unreasoned judgment : prejudice
      c : an instance of such prejudice
      d (1) : deviation of the expected value of a statistical estimate from the quantity it estimates (2) : systematic error introduced into sampling or testing by selecting or encouraging one outcome or answer over others

      dis·cern·ment noun \di-ˈsərn-mənt, -ˈzərn-\
      Definition of DISCERNMENT

      1: the quality of being able to grasp and comprehend what is obscure : skill in discerning
      2: an act of perceiving or discerning something

      Definition of JUDGMENT

      1a : a formal utterance of an authoritative opinion
      b : an opinion so pronounced
      2a : a formal decision given by a court
      b (1) : an obligation (as a debt) created by the decree of a court (2) : a certificate evidencing such a decree
      3a capitalized : the final judging of humankind by God
      b : a divine sentence or decision; specifically : a calamity held to be sent by God
      4
      a : the process of forming an opinion or evaluation by discerning and comparing
      b : an opinion or estimate so formed
      5a : the capacity for judging : discernment
      b : the exercise of this capacity
      6: a proposition stating something believed or asserted

    • Mary Sue

      oh so are you arguing that the Palestinan authorities DON'T torture?

    • ziontruth

      Biased against evil, and proud of that bias.

      • Trevor

        "Biased against evil…"

        Yea biased against one evil but biased in favour of another evil.

        • Defcon 4

          What other "evil"? You mean the existence of the only Jewish state in the world? You mean the existence of the one free state in the entire islamofascist misery theme park that comprises the rest of the Mid-East and N. Africa?

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "Yea biased against one evil but biased in favour of another evil."

          The sniper troll without any real ammunition known as "Trevor."

          Just hope that nobody noticed your arguments fail 100% of the time you articulate them.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Biased against

      - 9/11
      - honor killings
      - bombing of Pan Am 103
      - WMD poison gassing of the Kurds of Halabja Iraq
      - Mumbai India massacre
      - 2005 bombing of London transport

      Yeah, I'm biased against Islamofascism and Socialism.

  • http://www.adinakutnicki.com AdinaK

    There is NOTHING the world's "pets" can do wrong, just as long as they are kept in business, long enough to bludgeon Israel. And that is the beginning and end of it. NEVER mind that it is against international law to support them, in any material way – http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/12/23/what-happens-

    Adina kutnicki, Israel http://adinakutnicki.com/about/

  • elishawah

    LO,I see esau and ishmael,also the children of lot riding swiftly,coming against Jacob with a great multitude all of them had blood in their mouth;and their attack was during the trial Jacob was going thru with Persia;for Jacob was greatly wounded by Persia and her rivers when Ishmael and esau struck,and I heard them say where is this GOD of Jacob,for we have took Jerusalem and the high places of their GOD,lets us drink a toast on the HOLY MOUNTAIN,for Jerusalem is now ours.and by these words the earth shook and there was a great earthquate and the heavens did split and BEHOLD it was the KING OF THE UNIVERSE and HIS SWORD was made drunk with the blood of the heathen.

  • Thomas Pellow

    "Hooded, hanged and left in agony for hours on end: Palestinian security chief tells how he has tormented 'suspects' with MI6's knowledge… and reveals how Britain helps pay for it with £33m foreign aid"

    By David Rose.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2301682/H

  • Ken Kelso

    Anne Bayefsky wrote a great article about the U.N obsession with bashing Israel.
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/03/15/human-r
    Human rights’ are a weapon in the political arsenal of Israel’s enemies
    Anne Bayefsky
    March 15, 2013
    Today at the United Nations in New York City, the UN’s top women’s rights body, the Commission on the Status of Women, will wrap up its annual session by condemning only one state for violating the rights of women anywhere in the world. Not Syria, or China, or Saudi Arabia. But Israel, for violating the rights of Palestinian women.

  • Ken Kelso

    Hamas does the same thing and nobody says a word either.
    http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/20193255
    Rights group: Hamas abusing Palestinians in Gaza
    October 3, 2012

    Human Rights Watch says Hamas' security forces in Gaza are committing severe abuses, including torture of detainees, arrests without warrants, forced confessions, unfair trials and mock executions.

  • Defcon 4

    I'll bet the enemies of the state in Gaza include gays, apostates from islam and anyone Christian…

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "I'll bet the enemies of the state in Gaza include gays, apostates from islam and anyone Christian…"

      Hamas strives for sharia.