Witness Testifies Zimmerman was Attacked and Violently Beaten


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An attorney for Martin’s family, meanwhile, suddenly declared Thursday that the high-profile case was not about race.

“It’s not about racial profiling,” Daryl Parks told reporters. “He was profiled (criminally). George Zimmerman profiled him.”

Parks made the comments after prosecutors spent several days arguing that Zimmerman profiled the 17-year-old specifically because he was black. Asked why he changed his take on the matter, Parks replied: “We never claimed this was about race.”

Okay. Bit late for that I would say. No one is arguing that Zimmerman criminally profiled him. That was his job on a neighborhood watch.

Meanwhile the first credible prosecution witnesses who can read cursive are supporting Zimmerman’s story.

A neighbor of George Zimmerman testified Friday that it appeared that teenager Trayvon Martin was striking Zimmerman while straddling him moments before the teen was shot.

Jonathan Good, who lives in the same townhouse complex as Zimmerman, said after hearing a noise behind his townhome, he saw what looked like a fight. When he stepped outside, he said he yelled, “What’s going on? Stop it.”

“It looked like there were strikes being thrown, punches being thrown,” said Good.

Good said he could only see one person at first. Seconds later, he saw two people laying flat, one on top of the another in the grass. A person in dark clothing was on top of a person with “lighter complexion” wearing red or white clothing, Good said. The description of the person on the bottom, Good said, matched Zimmerman that night. The person on the top had similar dark clothing to the type worn by Trayvon, he said.

….

Good also said he believed the person on the bottom yelled for help, but later conceded that he was not 100 percent sure it was the person on the bottom calling for help while he was in his house placing the emergency call, only that it “sounded like” it came from the person being attacked.

The people doing the pounding are rarely the ones yelling for help.

Questioning was then redirected back to the prosecutor who tried to discredit a strong testimony for the defense.

De La Rionda also used water bottles to help demonstrate the position of Zimmerman and Martin and even got Good to concede that he did not actually see punches thrown and that he “only saw downward movement” of arms.

And that could mean anything. Maybe Trayvon Martin was trying to feed George Zimmerman some of those skittles we keep hearing about.

State witness Joe Manalo testified that he took the photos with his cell phone that showed blood on Zimmerman’s lip and scalp.

“He had blood running down his nose from both nostrils and over his lips,” Manalo told Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda.

Those are some mighty bad skittles.

  • EarlyBird

    Zimmerman did not commit murder, 2nd degree or otherwise, when you look up the definition in Florida law. He didn’t commit manslaughter either. He’s going to walk.
    But it’s very sad, because any way you slice it, he set a series of actions into motion which led to him taking a perfectly innocent young person’s life.

    • tagalog

      I don’t see Trayvon Martin as a “perfectly innocent” young person. He walked up to Zimmerman and said “Do you have some problem?” and when Zimmerman told him “No,” Martin said “You do now,” and popped him one in the nose, breaking it, then said to him “You’re going to die.”

      That kind of conduct kind of takes Mr. Martin out of the “innocent young person” category.

      • EarlyBird

        The only parts of Zimmerman’s story I really I don’t believe are:
        1.) that he had only gone back to the complex to get the name off the street signs (after the 911 operator told him not to follow Martin) and “accidentally” bumped into Martin again – I think in fact he was going to confront Martin and would not have done so had he not been armed;
        2.) the idea that Martin said, out of some kind of movie script, “This is the night you die, m***** f*****.” That’ ridiculous;
        3.) Zimmerman stating that Martin was going for his gun. BS.
        Tagalog, if you were being followed and ultimately confronted by an aggressive person do you think you might respond aggressively out of fear? Perhaps.

        Also, even in the struggle I don’t think Z had any reason to fear for his actual life.

        • onecornpone

          … would not have done so had he not been armed;

          Why would Z not have assumed Martin wasn’t armed.

          Should we all be stripped of the privilege of handgun ownership in order to avoid being overconfident in scary situations?

          • tagalog

            The testimony coming out at the trial strongly suggests that Zimmerman did not feel overconfident; in fact, it seems as if he must have felt a bit overmatched.

          • onecornpone

            The testimony coming out of the trial strongly suggests that Zimmerman did not feel overconfident…

            Yep, but that doesn’t fit the narrative of the folks who already “know” the preordained outcome.

            As you can see, they will not be denied their pound of flesh. If, during jury deliberation there is speculation that Zimmerman will walk, watch the race-baiters swing into action with threats of riot

        • tagalog

          Watch the trial. They’re showing long pieces of it on Fox News. Take a look at the photos taken of Zimmerman’s broken nose at the time, the lacerations on the front of his face, the blood flowing down his face and off his chin, and the several inch-long lacerations on the back of his head and the red there, where Trayvon Martin was banging his head on the pavement, and then say again that Zimmerman had no reason to fear for his life.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            You’re arguing with idiots.

    • ziggy zoggy

      GirlyTurd,
      Stop ignoring the truth and pushing your troll distraction points. Just admit you have a mouthful and spit it out. Bitch.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        He must be a white guy that is jealous because of the leftist class victim narratives. See, now we persecute him. Now he’s a hero/victim according to leftist cultural dogmas.

    • Peter

      dumbazz, it was Thug Martin who set those series of actions into motion

  • onecornpone

    That Zimmerman is charged at all is a travesty of justice.

    Young thugs of any race should not assume they have the right to loiter.

    Was Trayvon using an obamaphone?

    • EarlyBird

      What makes you think that Martin was a “thug”?

      What makes you think he was “loitering”? In fact, nobody disputes that he was walking home from having visited a friend in the housing complex.

      Yep, good thing he was shot dead!

      • ACCER

        Martin was a thug because of his history and because he described himself that way. Had he NOT been a thug he wouldn’t have been there (he had been tossed from school for thug behavior) and he wouldn’t have jumped Zimmerman. Martin met his end the way many thugs do, violently. He had a history of jumping people and this time when he did it the person used deadly force to stop him.

        • EarlyBird

          Come on.

          I’m not saying he was a good kid, but nobody disputes these facts: he was simply walking through a neighborhood which he had every reason and right to walk through – coming home from a friend’s house.

          Zimmerman decided to 911 on him, though even he hasn’t stated that Martin was looking into windows or cars, or doing anything but walking through the complex.

          Zimmerman created a situation where Martin though he was in danger, and (I expect) probably went on the attack, and Zimmerman ultimately killed him.

          Zimmerman is not an evil murderer, either, but he is surely the bad guy in this situation, not Martin. He put into motion a series of events which ended with the death of a perfectly innocent person.

          • Judahlevi

            Oh yes, if someone looks at you while walking through a neighborhood and you decide to start beating the heck out of them, it is their fault for looking at you.

            Sure, that makes sense. Zimmerman should have averted his eyes. How dare he look at someone while on neighborhood watch. How dare he make a cell phone call.

            It is amazing the convolutions in logic someone will go through to try to blame anyone but a dark-skinned person. Really amazing – and racist.

          • Progressives Rule

            He wasn’t ON watch duty! He shouldn’t have approached Martin while carrying a gun! And he shouldn’t have had a gun due to the drugs he was taking!

          • Guy Fromage

            Martin approach George. Did the THC in Martin’s system effect his judgement? Who knows. I’m just glad George had the means at hand to repel Martin’s assault.

          • Progressives Rule

            Yes, thank god the coward had a gun to fend off Martin’s munchies. ROFL!

          • Guy Fromage

            You are arguing facts not in evidence.

          • Progressives Rule

            LOL!

          • Guy Fromage

            Not to mention laughing a great deal. Nitrous?

          • EarlyBird

            How do you know Martin was the one to start the physical altercation? You don’t.

          • Guy Fromage

            Is there any witness testimony to the contrary?

          • EarlyBird

            I don’t think there is any testimony to the contrary, except for Zimmerman, who has every reason to tell us that Martin attacked him.

            And nobody alive knows what happened except for Zimmerman.

            There is credible evidence to believe that Zimmerman confronted Martin – not necessarily physically. The girl on the phone at the time has told us that Martin had been “following him” and that she heard Z ask “what are you doing here?” or some words that effect, at which time she heard some scuffle and the phone went dead.

            Rather than celebrating mindlessly that we are certain some “thug” got his just deserts, we should be asking, “WTF is going on in Florida that armed citizens with no training or credentials are allowed to confront people doing nothing but walking in a neighborhood in which they belong, and create circumstances where shooting is required (if we believe Zimmerman, and on that point, I do.)?”

          • Guy Fromage

            Then this whole “you don’t know this or that” game is entirely moot. I believe George. The police believed George. They were on the scene. You and I were not. Then there’s the pesky issue of “beyond reasonable doubt.”

            The final two question you offer are both nonsense. First, you are proffering the first in a response to me, but it is in no way a reasonable characterization of my position. The second is predicated upon numerous false assumptions, such as the need to be “credentialed” to defend oneself. Self-defense is a natural right. Take the guns away, and it only means the strong may effectively defend themselves, and the weak will just have to die, comforted in the knowledge that your categorical fallacies go unchallenged.

          • EarlyBird

            Arming oneself in order to actively look for people to confront is a lot more than passively going about life and having to defend yourself. CLEARLY Zimmerman was looking for trouble and put himself in a bad situation. MARTIN was the guy passively going about his life.

            As a gun owner myself, I am appalled that this fat loser, Zimmerman, was allowed to waltz around playing cop with a gun.

            I have said throughout this thread that Z should not be found guilty of murder, and that there is by no means enough evidence to convict him.

            What I find disgusting on this site is the clear celebration of Martin’s death by terrified white people. It is a tragedy precipitated by Zimmerman’s immaturity.

          • Guy Fromage

            Again, you argue facts on in evidence.

            Arming oneself in order to actively look for people to confront is a lot more than passively going about life and having to defend yourself.

            You have no evidence that he did this. We’ve already covered this detail.

            As a gun owner myself, I am appalled that this fat loser, Zimmerman, was allowed to waltz around playing cop with a gun.

            What does his present weight have to do with anything? I understand the need for people like you to top up the ad hominem tank from time to time, but why not choose to vent your bile on those who really deserve it?

            I have said throughout this thread that Z should not be found guilty of murder, and that there is by no means enough evidence to convict him.

            But go ahead, and talk about events, as you imagine them, as if they really happened (“actively look for people to confront” #lol!).

            What I find disgusting on this site is the clear celebration of Martin’s death by terrified white people. It is a tragedy precipitated by Zimmerman’s immaturity.

            To the small extent this may be true, it is in no doubt due to goading by trolls such as yourself, and worse.

            And the tragedy, if there is one, was that the defective culture of arrogance and casual violence led Martin to make a very bad choice.

            A lack of maturity on Zimmerman’s part, however, is not in evidence.

          • EarlyBird

            Nonsense, Man of Cheese:

            Nobody disputes that Zimmerman was on neighborhood watch, and was armed. As a neighborhood watcher, his JOB was to look for trouble.

            “…but why not choose to vent your bile on those who really deserve it?”

            Oh boo hoo for George Zimmerman, who unnecessarily and wrong-headedly started into motion a series of events that ended in him shooting an unarmed young man. Cry me a river.

            “… it is in no doubt due to goading by trolls such as yourself, and worse.”

            You may want to wake up to the cretins who populate this xenophobic, reactionary website, Cheese Man. There’s a lot of hate percolating on this site that has zero to do with my comments.

            “And the tragedy, if there is one, was that the defective culture of arrogance and casual violence led Martin to make a very bad choice.”

            IF there was a tragedy!
            Now WHO is arguing facts that are not in evidence? You’ve indicted Martin for an entire culture and mindset based on purely a picture of him in a hoodie.
            “Defective culture of arrogance and casual violence!” is exactly how to describe the system that allows untrained, uncertified, unprofessional men to play cops while weilding guns in Florida neighborhoods.

          • Guy Fromage

            Your long-winded drivel can be summarized thus: the facts aren’t on my side, so I will now indulge in a fountain of general and specific ad hominem.

            No, I do not consider an act of successful self-defense to be a tragedy. It’s just the opposite, in fact. The culture of illicit drug use, casual violence, and hair-trigger egos that Martin appears to have grown up in is tragic, however.

          • EarlyBird

            Yeah. Not to mention he was black.

          • Guy Fromage

            He’s black?!

          • EarlyBird

            Judah, he didn’t just “look” at Martin. There is every reason to believe he confronted Martin aggressively. The only living person to know exactly how things happened is Zimmerman.

            I suspect that Martin became aware that Zimmerman – a plain clothes civilian with zero outward crendentials – was armed and feared for HIS life and so went on the attack.

            Let me ask you: Zimmerman states that Martin said, out of some Hollywood script, “Tonight is the night you die!” Does that sound real to you? Not to me, either.

            Zimmerman does not deserve to be found guilty of murder, and won’t be. But he’s no hero. He was the one who started and ended the entire tragedy.

          • Arf

            Whatever actually happened, I don’t get the impression that Trayvon Martin was a “perfectly innocent person.” I get the impression he was a thug. And on this particular day, he met his end.

          • Progressives Rule

            You’re right. Martin was absolutely guilty of… walking.

          • Guy Fromage

            Well, there the bit about attack George, and trying to crack his head open like a ripe melon.

          • Progressives Rule

            That would be a it happened. But, it didn’t. The WannaBeCopCoward is a proven liar and hopefully, those 6 women see the truth.

          • Guy Fromage

            It did, and witnesses and forensic evidence confirm. Oh, and as a qualified witness also stated, one doesn’t have to even be injured before being justified in using deadly force.

            The prosecution, with its stable of defense-helping witnesses, has so much egg on it’s face, their wearing souffles.

          • Guy Fromage

            Hey look! They did see the truth!

          • Progressives Rule

            Let me guess… because… he… is…black?

          • Guy Fromage

            No, because Martin acted like a thug.

          • fun lover

            Zimmerman got what he deserved. Martin did not.

          • Guy Fromage

            Reverse that, and you’re closer to the truth.

          • EarlyBird

            He wasn’t doing anything thuggish on the night he was killed. Zimmerman didn’t know anything about Martin’s history, and doesn’t claim that he knew.

            Try again,

          • ziggy zoggy

            “Zimmerman is not an evil murderer, either, but he is surely the bad guy in this situation, not Martin. He put into motion a series of events which ended with the death of a perfectly innocent person.”
            Tosh. stop wasting your employer’s money with such inept trolling.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Zimmerman is not an evil murderer, either, but he is surely the bad guy in this situation, not Martin. He put into motion a series of events which ended with the death of a perfectly innocent person.”

            Like so many other “pigs” on patrol.

            F the pigs. F the police.

            F the leftists.

          • EarlyBird

            “uh…the leftists!” You’ve become a caricature of yourself.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            EB: Getting right to the heart of the matter as always.

        • Dangerzone

          Zimmerman is not was a punk-a**-racist.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Is English your second language or third? Or thirteenth?

        • Progressives Rule

          And Zimmerman had ARESTS for attacking a police officer! How does THAT fit in your racist eyeballs? It’s proven the WannaBeCopCoward approached and threatened Martin. Martin was actually DEFENDING himself against the weekling coward wanna be cop. And he gave him a good azz whupping too!
          GZ will be wearing stripes soon.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Proctologist tool,
            the only two people present when Martin got what he deserved both identify him as the aggressor – and so do the facts. Just another case of the racists in America trying to portray a so called minority as a victim.

          • ACCER

            If it makes you feel better to call someone who posts facts that disagree with your fantasy a racist, by all means do so (By the way, you people use it so much that it really doesn’t have the sting it used to have.) It has actually been proven that it was Martin that approached Zimmerman and it was Martin that initiated the violence (I understand that progressives have trouble handling facts but you really need to try and get used to them.) Martin got in a few good punches but he learned, in that split second before death, that even a thug is no match for a gun (The facts proven by the FBI investigation as well as the coroner report.) If you want to hold up the past of Zimmerman then lets take a look at Martin….who besides his stealing, assault and drug/alcohol use also had possession of an illegal gun. If Martin hadn’t been such a troublemaker, he would have been in school instead of roaming the streets. Of course given the testimony of his female friend, school may not have been of much value. Martin got what he deserved and Zimmerman saved us a great deal of money supporting Martin via the prison system later in life. He should be thanked for ridding the world of another worthless thug.

          • Matt Carson

            “It has actually been proven that it was Martin that approached Zimmerman and it was Martin that initiated the violence”

            What? rofl. Please do tell!

          • Progressives Rule

            I have no
            patience or tolerance with someone who intentionally twists facts. You can put
            your own spin on what has been testified to but, you can’t change the facts. I
            know you Tea Baggers are allergic to facts but, that doesn’t make me feel sorry
            for you. When you speak like a despicable racist then I’m going to call you
            one. And you sir, are definitely a racist. A racist of the worst kind. Your
            racism is so deep that you think just being black is a good enough reason to be
            shot in cold blood.

            I don’t
            know what trial you’re watching but, it certainly looks that it is obvious that
            the WannaBeCopCoward followed, then approached, then initiated the fight. He
            got out of his truck, against orders to the contrary, and followed Martin. He
            caught up with Martin. He got up in his face and challenged him. It sounds like
            he threw the first punch. He had no authority to do anything to Martin. Even if
            he was on watch patrol he wouldn’t have had any authority to do so. He got out
            of his truck with his gun loaded, a round chambered and the safety off. He was
            looking for a confrontation. If you don’t see that, you’re not just a racist,
            you’re a blind racist. His actions and his own words support this.

            Martin was
            defending himself and probably was getting the better of the coward. Here’s the
            rub, blind man. You can not start a fight and then claim self defense when you’re
            over powered. That coward had taken MMA lessons for over a year. He knew how to
            curl up on the ground to protect himself. His injuries are no where near life
            threatening. Hell, they barely bled, and head wounds bleed like crazy.

            Martin’s
            past isn’t relative here. Zimmerman’s is though. He was previously arrested for
            attacking a cop! I’ve read, and heard from friends in the police community,
            that he was on 2 prescription drugs that cause anxiety and aggression. He never
            should have had a gun while on those drugs! When this comes out… stick a fork
            in him.

          • Progressives Rule

            I have no patience or tolerance with someone who intentionally twists facts. You can put your own spin on what has been testified to but, you can’t change the facts. I know you Tea Baggers are allergic to facts but, that doesn’t make me feel sorry for you.
            .
            I don’t know what trial you’re watching but, there has indeed been testimony that WannaBeCopCoward attacked Martin. In fact , he followed, then approached, then initiated the fight. He got out of his truck, against orders to the contrary, and followed Martin. He caught up with Martin. He got up in his face and challenged
            him. It sounds like he threw the first punch. He had no authority to do anything to Martin. Even if he was on watch patrol he wouldn’t have had any authority to do so. He got out of his truck with his gun loaded, a round
            chambered and the safety off. He was looking for a confrontation. If you don’t see that, you’re not just a racist, you’re a blind racist. His actions and his own words support this.

            Martin was defending himself and probably was getting the better of the coward. Here’s the rub, you can not start a fight and then claim self defense when you’re over
            powered. That coward had taken MMA lessons for over a year. He knew how to curl up on the ground to protect himself. There was no need to shoot. His injuries
            are no where near life threatening. Heck, they barely bled, and head wounds bleed like crazy.

            Martin’s past isn’t relative here. Zimmerman’s is though. He was previously arrested for attacking a cop! I’ve read, and heard from friends in the police community,
            that he was on 2 prescription drugs that cause anxiety and aggression. He never should have had a gun while on those drugs! When this comes out… stick a fork
            in him.
            Your attitude that it’s okay to murder a young boy because he’s black is what’s wrong with the south still.

          • Guy Fromage

            You’re the one twisting facts. There were no “orders to the contrary,” and even if their were, they would be meaningless, as they were not given by a peace officer.

            Further, you arrogant fool, if you knew anything about the firearm George was carrying, you would know that it has no manual safety so your pure fantasy is already proven wrong from the start.

          • Progressives Rule

            Oh contrair (or whatever that French saying is. LOL!) , as part of the coward’s Neighborhood Watch training he was trained and instructed to NOT follow people, to NOT confront people. Then the 911 operator reminded and instructed him of the same. Yet, he followed Martin anyway.

            .

            Yes, I now realize his gun had no manual safety. My bad.

          • Guy Fromage

            You keep using that word coward. It doesn’t mean what you think it means. Also, whatever training George may have had (and you are a completely unreliable our source for any information regarding this case, as your completely fabricated nonsense about the gun shows), deviating from said training is not a violation of the law.

            And again again, the suggestion from the police dispatcher holds as much weight as a suggestion from a police janitor. Never mind, that when the suggestion was made, he did stop following Martin. Martin, who was much more fleet footed, forced the confrontation.

          • Progressives Rule

            He NEVER stopped following Martin. He confronted him and attacked him while Martin was on the phone. Without that damn gun he never would have done that. Maybe without those drugs he was taking also.

            .

            Zimmerman is a coward. He had been looking for a lonnnnnng time how to “look like a cop”. He thought this was it. Either way, he’ll never be a cop now.

            .

            He has enough lies to convince any sane person he concocted that whole story. Like Martin circling back and walking around his truck. What a crock!

            .

            It’s a shame there are so many gun barrel sucking ignorants not even looking at all the evidence because they believe cowards like this should be able to walk around with a gun. Pathetic.

          • Progressives Rule

            WannaBeCopCoward is just that, a little guy with “little man” syndrom who wants to be a cop and a bad ars so bad he was itching to get into a fight. When he finally did, he got his clock cleaned. As soon as he took one punch and they rod for a bit he knew he was gonna get a beating so, he shot the innocent kid.
            .
            He certainly did not stop following after told to stop.
            .
            All the jury has to do is listen to his interview and lies with the two detectives.
            .
            Measure the coward for his striped suit. He’s toast.

            .

          • Guy Fromage

            George is the exact opposite of a coward. That he stopped following Martin after the suggestion from a non-peace officer was his choice, not an obligation. Even the MSM talking heads, lapdogs to the leftists agenda, have all but universally said the prosecution’s case, on balance, benefited the defense.

            Skittle Acquittal in 3..2..

          • Progressives Rule

            His lies, like yours, expose his cowardice. This should be a slam dunk conviction. However, thanks to the money grubbing NRA Florida was the first state where the NRA’s extreme self defense/stand your ground laws were passed. They are basic free passes to any gun barrel sucking wanna be man to kill anybody for the slightest “diss”. Hopefully this case, whichever way it goes, will be the beginning of the end for these type laws.

          • EarlyBird

            No, Zimmerman won’t be wearing stripes, and he doesn’t deserve to. He is charged with 2nd degree murder, not for being a wannabe cop coward. There is not enough evidence to convict him.

            He may, if the prosecutors lose the case, be able to be convicted of manslaughter, but even that is unlikely. The law being followed is what we should be interested in here, not whether we like Zimmerman or not.

            Let the black racists see this in nothing but emotional terms, as well as the white racists on this idiotic board.

          • Progressives Rule

            Sure he will. They showed today WannaBeCopCoward lied to detective Servino when he said he didn’t know anything about the Stand Your Ground law. He got an “A” in the class that taught it! Most other classes he got Ds. Was even on academic suspension.
            .
            Measure him for the striped suit.

      • onecornpone

        If Martin had been shot in the back I could buy the concept that he was innocent. The fact that he wasn’t tells me all I need to know.

        Zimmerman’s description to the 911 operator indicated Martin was loitering, without using that specific word.

        Google “Trayvon Martin criminal record” and read yourself to sleep. The kid was a thug.

        How many punk thugs can you mourn? They die by the dozens every day. The only thing that makes Trayvon different is the color of skin of the man who shot him.

        If you fail to grasp that fact, I question the premise of your entire reply.

        There was a monumental attempt to clean up Martin’s reputation posthumously, in order that he could be used as a brand new symbol proving racism is alive and well. The Justus Bros designed this campaign against Zimmerman to resurrect their dying movement of bludgeoning non-blacks ad infinitum.

        Al the non-Sharp-ton needs a racial topic to rally his lo-info audience for the race war he dreams of.

        • EarlyBird

          Martin was not a good kid, but he was hardly some violent “thug” who needed to be put down like a dog.
          He was absolutely innocently trying to get from Point A to Point B, and it was Zimmerman who set the entire series of events into motion which ended with him killing Martin.
          If you can’t at least see this as a tragedy, rather than some righteous act of “keeping the streets clean” then you have troubles I can’t help you with.

          • onecornpone

            Martin wasn’t “put down like a dog”. Dogs are gassed. Martin was astraddle Zimmerman indicating he was the aggressor. He made his last bad decision that night, and only he is to blame for ending his life. It should serve as a lesson for punks of all creeds and colors.

            I avoided replying to your initial comment because it was laced with indications that you are biased. You asked for this argument, but for some reason feel quite comfortable labeling me a racist. Logical gymnastics on parade.

          • ebonystone

            If 3-von was “put down like a dog”, it was as a dog that was attacking a human being and trying to kill him.

          • EarlyBird

            So says Zimmerman. Only Zimmerman and Martin know the whole story, and one is dead. Zimmerman is trying to save his own life and there are a number of inconsistencies so far. He’s not a murder, but he wrongfully set in motion a series of events that led to a person’s death. It is not a good thing that Martin is dead, so stop celebrating.

          • Progressives Rule

            Actually racist bigot, at least 3 witnesses said it was Zimmerman on top. One testified the person who was on top stood up AFTER the gun shot. Now who do you think stood up, racist pig?

          • onecornpone

            …person who was on top stood up AFTER the gun shot

            Yes you lo-info cretin – we ALL know a person who has been shot can never stand up – you blithering idiot, simpleton?

          • Progressives Rule

            The point that your Neanderthal racist brain can’t understand is that Selma Mora said that the person “who was on top” stood up after the gun shot. So, try to put together 5 brain cells and figure this out… If WannaBeCopCoward Zimmerman is the man who stood up after the gun shot then it was…. he who was on top.
            .
            Remember he told the Physician Assistant back in August 2011 that he was taking MMA 3 times a week. So he knew all about being in the “ground and pound” position.
            .
            When you god was giving out “brains” did you think it said “trains” and get to the back of the line?

          • onecornpone

            You pitiful, foaming-at-the-mouth waste of DNA, I will repeat…

            “…,we ALL know that a person who has been shot can never stand up”… duuuuuuhhh!

            It is sarcasm fool! But then rabid, single minded race-baiters who cherry-pick non-prescient facts thereby enabling them to promote their zealotry in spite of more sensible explanations feel the burning need to start a race war over this two-bit punk loser, so they can once again celebrate full victim status.

            If Martin had been shot in the back then you would have a beef. He made the choice to confront a man who was merely looking out for his own neighborhood. He made the wrong choice that night, just like you have today.

          • Progressives Rule

            Having to resort to labeling your fukk ups as sarcasm is real lame. So, your Neanderthal-ish thinking is that Zimmerman had reason to fear for his life while being on top of Martin? Yeah, let’s see how well that flies with the jury. LOL! As it is his injuries are pitiful, no where near life threatening. Head wounds bleed like a stuck pig and his barely bled at all. And his life had to be in real danger, not just his, and your, coward’s view since he realized he bit off more than he could chew.
            .
            Zimmerman will fry.

          • onecornpone

            Having to explain sarcasm to the obviously mentally challenged is not worth my time.

            Sweety-pie, unlike you, I don’t pretend to know what Zimmerman felt, that is the difference in our approach.

            How do YOU feel about all the punks Martin’s age who were killed by other black thugs that same day Martin died? YOU are obviously personally invested in this case, believing it to be some sort of competitive test.

            My interest is limited to the deleterious effect this case is having on race relations in this nation, although additionally I don’t necessarily want to see a man “fry” just to satisfy your sick twisted thirst for blood. Is there ever any end to that?

            Ask yourself, would Zimmerman have been considered suspicious if he had been loitering in Martin’s neighborhood?

            YOU are searching for straws to grasp, making a big salad of rumor, speculation and gossip to add to minimal factual details which you imagine will lead to an absolute case for conviction, whereas I am willing to wait to hear ALL the evidence that is presented to the jury. Will that jury dare find Zimmerman innocent, knowing that race-baiters like yourself have made it a cause celeb? FREE Mumia!?!

            What makes the U.S. Bill of Rights work is a civil society. From your vocally bigoted approach it is clear you are more vested in a breakdown of civility than you are in true justice for this case.

            Sadly you are unable to see the conflict in your boastful pronouncement that Trayvon put an azz-whuppin on Zimmerman, and in another reply want to claim Martin was the victim?

            In one reply you claim Zimmerman was hardly injured, but claim Martin put the hurt on him? WTH?

            You bleaping mental midget, you can’t have it both ways. If Martin had already whupped Zimmerman, as you claim, WHY didn’t he head home? And if Martin whipped Zimmerman, how was it that Zimmerman was astraddle him as YOU assert? Why wasn’t Martin shot in the back, as I asked early in this discussion?

            The answer is the punk thought he could get away with assaulting a local citizen duly concerned with suspicious traffic in his own neighborhood. His own ego led Martin to his last bad decision. He picked the wrong man go off on. For that youthful misjudgement he paid with his life. Get over it!

          • ziggy zoggy

            Regressive Tool,
            exactly who were these three “eyewitnesses” who saw Zimmerman murder a po’ Black child? Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and Louis Farrakhan?
            If Martin had been a White victim instead of a Black attempted murderer, you wouldn’t bother to post a comment, you racist POS.

          • Guy Fromage

            Zimmerman will fry.

            As onecornpone said, you are low info.

            Do you know why the jury is composed of six people, and not twelve?

            Get back to use after so sober up and have a google moment.

          • Matt Carson

            “He made the choice to confront a man who was merely looking out for his own neighborhood.” Using the evidence prove this statement.

            While you are at it, tell me how Zimmerman could have “a broken nose” but not bleed from his nostrils. The blood shown in the pictures is not coming from his nostrils.

            How is it TM has no GZ blood on him at all? Not on his knuckles, that were allegedly hitting him, not on his hand that was covering his mouth moments before he was shot?

            In police statements GZ says TM hit him and he went down, then TM got on top of him… but in the re-enactment video he says this happens at the T, only then he changes his story and says, after he was punched, he then did the “swatting flies” maneuver about 60 feet until somehow TM then gets on top of him. Which is it?

            In his reenactment, he states the operator asked him for an address. This is not true in the least. In fact GZ stated that he would meet the police back at his truck, which, had he stopped when first told he does not need to follow TM, would have been directly in his view and about 15- 20 seconds away if he walked.

            Why would he try to find an address for a location he would not be at? After all his “looking for an address”, why is it, he never gives this to the Non -Emergency operator?

            Why would he not use the address directly in front of him and to his right as he exited his vehicle?

            Why does his buddy frank Taffee state in his interview that george swung his truck around and parked it the opposite direction that GZ states he did?

            How is it a neighborhood watch captain does not know the name of the street that comes in and goes out the front gate of his neighborhood??

            Why is it, GZ headlights do not show as pulling into the clubhouse parking lot as he says? This would clearly be seen by the surveillance camera.

            Which way did TM run? GZ says toward the back entrance. Did he run through the cut through? We don’t know. Did George run through the cut through? We don’t know, but he states he to the operator he is in the cut through. Is there testimony by someone other than GZ that says GZ was somewhere other than what he stated to police? Yes.

            To me this is the biggest issue in this whole case, it is established that GZ was following TM. It is established that he did not see him in the act of committing a crime, rather he saw him walking. Nothing about what TM did was cause to follow him. When TM runs, GZ gets out and runs after him. Running after someone you don’t know, in the dark, is aggression. (To make this easier to understand, change the sex of the person being followed to female, now tell me that a man running after her (chasing her) in the dark should not be seen as aggression.) If that were my son, who is white, and a strange man followed him and then as he ran, the man ran after him I would expect my son to defend himself…as a man following you in the dark who does not identify himself is a man showing aggression. The way GZ tries to avoid culpability in this is to say TM hauled off and hit him but at the point TM asked him if he had a problem or why is he following him, why the hell did GZ NOT state he was neighborhood watch? Was it because he did not want the “suspect” to run and be just another a**hole who got away? The duty is on GZ to identify himself as neighborhood watch, which is the capacity in which he seems to be operating when he gets out of his car and chases a minor, who up to the point GZ observes, him is simply walking home.

          • EarlyBird

            Martin was “astraddle” Zimmerman AS PER ZIMMERMAN! There have been differing witness accounts on this.

            You are so blinded by your racial resentments you can’t see the only facts that every really does know: Zimmerman confronted a PERFECTLY INNOCENT Martin after he was told by 911 to stay in his car. He thereby started a confrontation that made him – so he says – to fear for his life and shoot Martin,

            If some private citizen aggressively confronted me out of the blue for doing nothing, I might become belligerent. If I became aware that he had a gun I might be the one fearing for MY life, and start a major fight with the guy with a gun. Who is at fault? Well, AT LEAST the guy with the gun, if not both of us.

            You may not be “low info”, but you seem low common sense and common decency. This is as much about race to you as it is the professional black race hustlers.

          • alericKong

            Zimmerman provoked nothing. You have no right to sucker punch someone just because they are looking at you.

            For decades some Americans advocated crime as authentic and a proper way of living. Now live with it you annoying inconsiderate hillbilly slobs.

            I would patrol the streets myself, but won’t because:
            1. Scumbag political lawyers will give you the needle just to win another term and without thinking twice about it.
            2. The hell criminals created in which they murder, rape, rob, and burn their ways through life will cause more suffering than I can ever commit.

          • onecornpone

            Again, the 911 tapes of Zimmerman’s call Do NOT substantiate your argument that Martin was merely passing through the neighborhood where Zimmerman lived.

            Martin was loitering.

            No matter how sincerely you wish the facts to be different, the proof is in the audio.

            I haven’t said it wasn’t a tragedy, however your dramatic assertions are obviously indicative of the fact you realize you have lost this debate.

            The tragedy is that people like you believe you can bully us white krakahs into submission by labeling us racist, if we dispute YOUR perverted version of the facts of this case.

            Remember, you aren’t dealing with lo-info folks on this site.

          • Progressives Rule

            He was “walking”, you damn bigot!

          • onecornpone

            If the dumb@$$ punk had run toward home he would have lived to report his experience to the police, wouldn’t he, you mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging, hate monger.

          • Progressives Rule

            y should he have had to run? He was “walking”, you know like you do while dragging your knuckles on the ground.

          • onecornpone

            He was not “walking”, he was meandering. If he had been walking, with purpose, he would have never attracted attention to himself.

            You pitiful amoeba, you can’t even dream up your own insults… SAD specimen, you are.

          • Progressives Rule

            Ohhhhhh, well then why didn’t you say so? THAT makes all the difference in the world now. Now it is obvious that Martin should have been shot dead. He was meandering with no purpose, while talking on the phone. Case closed I guess, ehh?

          • EarlyBird

            “Loitering” is generally understood as “hanging around.” Martin was walking through the neighborhood as per Zimmerman’s 911 tape. Good try.

            I am a white person, you idiot. I am interested in fairness. I don’t believe Zimmerman confronted Martin with the desire to kill him. I believe he did in fact confront Martin – because he was a young black man and there were problems with young black men committing crimes in the neighborhood. I don’t believe that he just bumped into him again after the 911 call as he contends, I don’t believe Martin said, “This is the night you die!” which sounds like somethign out of a script. I don’t believe he had reason to fear for his life once the fight started, and I don’t believe that Martin went for his gun.

            Zimmerman was the moving party from beginning to end in this tragedy, and he pulled the trigger and killed Martin who was ENTIRELY INNOCENT, facts which you can not recognize because you are a bigot. To you black and male = criminal/guilty who deserved harrassment by Zimmerman.

            Zimmerman killed Martin. Period. You are putting Martin on trial, you numbskull. Zimmerman is responsible for manslaughter, at least.

          • Truth928

            How can you sat Martin “was entirely innocent?”. He bashed Zimmermans head into the concrete and broke his nose…What if you were attacked like that? and you had a gun..Would you wait around to see if he would stop hitting you?…knowing at any second you could lose consciousness and your life?? How do you know what was aid and what wasn’t ?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “If you can’t at least see this as a tragedy, that’s a tragedy in itself.”

            Oh we see the tragedy alright. Stupidity is the bond that will join you and TM forever. Stupidity is tragic for sure.

          • tagalog

            A tragedy requires the protagonist to be destroyed through the workings of a character flaw. When I read your post, I was going to talk about why the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman is hardly a tragedy, but then I began thinking about the way some black folks see themselves a bit solipsistically as the central figures in a white plot to keep them down, and I began to agree that if Trayvon Martin saw himself as a black victim of white racists, then his death is indeed a tragedy in which his own character flaw brought about his conduct, which in turn brought about his death.

          • Truth928

            It IS a tragedy that the kid is dead..Really. Im sorry for him and his family….
            But what if he beat Zimmerman to death? evidence shows that could have happened if he wasn’t shot…….That is a tragedy as well. Yes? No?

        • EarlyBird

          Oh and this is of course very telling:

          “The Justus Bros designed this campaign against Zimmerman to resurrect their dying movement of bludgeoning non-blacks ad infinitum….”

          You are unable to look at this particular situation clearly because it is a stand-in for your racial resentments.

          • onecornpone

            You are clearly unable to look at this particular situation clearly because it is a stand-in for your racial resentments.

            It is not “telling”, it is FACT.

            Were you living under a rock when the bullies, Al and Jesse went to FL to rally (to incite racial unrest) their troops.

            THAT was the telling indicator you wish to discount. The mark of the factually challenged information manipulator.

          • ziggy zoggy

            You are unable to accomplish what your troll paymasters waste their money on. You should be fired immediately.
            Have you considered government work?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            There’s a good chance the 0′Bama regime already has paid trolls on the IRS payroll. Why not? They already fund other kinds of prostitution. And obviously integrity is out the window completely.

            He probably is one of them.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Good point. She could be working for any government agency. They are all compromised under this Administration. She certainly is incompetent enough to rate a government paycheck.

          • tagalog

            So pray tell, what’s the clear way to look at the situation?

      • Dangerzone

        good thing your mom, and if you have a wife and daughter suck big black d*ck ha-ha

      • ziggy zoggy

        Your talking points have been canards since day one. They have to be, don’t they? You are on the wrong side of every issue and ethic.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        “What makes you think that Martin was a “thug”?”

        The media content he created.

        “What makes you think he was “loitering”? In fact, nobody disputes that he was walking home from having visited a friend in the housing complex. Yep, good thing he was shot dead!”

        He was not shot because he “visited a friend.” He was shot because his actions directly threatened the life of an armed man.

        Some have no problem seeing the justice in that.

        • EarlyBird

          Um…no.

          Neither you or I have any idea of the facts surrounding the altercation. You’re being overly emotional again.

          The only living person who knows what happened is Zimmerman, and he has every reason to lie or twist the truth. (I believe his is guilty of gilding the lilly. He claims that Martin said, “This is the night you die!” Yeah. Sell that to Objective Facts Matter.)

          We know there was a struggle and that Martin was killed by Zimmerman. That’s all we know. We have to decide whether we believe Zimmerman that he believed his life was in danger, or not, based on what we BELIEVE to be true, not on what we KNOW to be true.

          In other words, you’ve proven once again that you are incapable of any unbiased, objective reasoning.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Your Bizarro analysis doesn’t matter.

            There are living witnesses that testified and investigators have also provided additional evidence.

    • Dangerzone

      You are one white person I know smoke crack!

      • ziggy zoggy

        The funniest thing about you is that you probably aren’t a troll posing as a Black racist retard. You probably really are Black.

      • ziggy zoggy

        If I point out that the hopelessly retarded and contemptible Dangerzone is most likely an authentic Black commentator does that make me racist? Does deleting my point make the leftards HATE this site and everything it stands for any less? Does it aid your cause in ANY way?????
        Dream on.

        • Melinda Craig

          and now al sharpton reveals that if you call someone the n word then use the cr@cker c word then your not racist because they cancel each other out. wow what logichttp://www.mediaite.com/tv/sharpton-asks-does-trayvon-using-the-n-word-cancel-out-his-use-of-the-c-word-creepy-a-cracker/

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Balanced racism” is what he probably would mean if he thought about it much. Not that he would give himself away.

    • Dangerzone

      I use an Obamaphone ha-ha

      • ziggy zoggy

        And you play with your own feces.

    • Carlos SpicyWeener

      Unfortunately, “justice” is a code word for “sticking it to the non-black man”.

  • tagalog

    He only saw downward movement of the arms of the person who was on top. Maybe the guy on top was mussing the hair of the guy on the bottom, just to show affection. That term, “creepy-ass cracker” was really a non-racist term of endearment.

  • Lee Johnson

    This is dangerous territory. I believe Zimmerman will be convicted, regardless of the evidence. I’m not sure why I believe it; I just feel that lie after lie has triumphed, and there have been no consequences.

    • onecornpone

      Yes, “dangerous territory”. Zimmerman certainly bit off more than he expected, however he is likely to pay the ultimate price for his trouble, winding up being a Sacrificial Lamb to the professional race-bait industry of Jackson and Sharpton, and their following.

      The second coming of Nicole Simpson, as it were.

    • EarlyBird

      There’s no way that a jury could find him guilty. And as much as I think he is in the wrong, I don’t want him found legally guilty because there is just not enough evidence that he’s a 2nd degree murderer. I’d rather an idiot like Zimmerman walk than abuse the system due to social and political pressure.
      I predict he will walk and all hell is gonna break loose, unfortunately.

  • Adam

    This was a bad neighborhood that had a lot of crime. Zimmerman joined neighborhood watch with good intentions to protect his neighbors. He followed Trayvon because Trayvon profiled like a burglar, that is what neighborhood watch does. When Zimmerman confronted him, Trayvon became violent . Trayvon initiated the violence. The star witness is obviously lying (even about the fact that she cannot read). Unfortunately in our so called post racial America which means open hunting season on white men, Zimmerman will be found guilty just to appease the perpetual victims who cry racism.

  • garyfouse

    Unless the prosecution has a lot more, the judge should issue a directed verdict of acquittal as soon as the prosecution rests. This case screams reasonable doubt as it now stands. Unless they can refute Zimmerman’s version of the events beyond a reasonable doubt, this case is done.

    • ziggy zoggy

      Dude, I like your comment. Please tell me you’re not a lawyer.

      • 8ball

        Of course he’s a lawyer. I don’t like your stupid comment. You can’t have the rule of law without lawyers.

        • garyfouse

          See my reply to Ziggy.

        • onecornpone

          Can you have a civil society without lawyers?

          Can you have a U.S. Congress without lawyers?

          Can you have thousand-page “comprehensive” bottomless- pit, maize-like legislation without lawyers?

          Can you have a cable news network without lawyers?

          Can you have a stock market without lawyers?”

          Shakespeare was right!

        • ziggy zoggy

          And how do lawyers reinforce rule of law rather than manipulate it to harm others? You am more smarter than me is.

      • garyfouse

        No. Retired DEA agent.

    • tagalog

      The ground for a directed verdict of acquittal at the close of the people’s case is that, taking the evidence in the light most favorable to The People, the prosecutor has failed to make out a prima facie case for the crime charged.

      A directed verdict of acquittal at midpoint in a trial has nothing to do with the prosecution meeting its burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Findings of reasonable doubt in the Zimmerman prosecution are the sole province of the jury if the case ever goes to the jury, which it surely will.

      In this case, the court is almost certainly NOT going to say that there is reasonable doubt as a matter of law, which is the only way the judge is going to be able to say anything about reasonable doubt.

      • garyfouse

        Tagalog,

        Let us not split semantic hairs. My comment about reasonable doubt was a separate sentence in and of itself. As the case now stands, I stand by that. As to a directed verdict of acquittal, the judge decides after a motion by the defense, that the prosecution’s case once rested, does not merit going to a jury.

        • tagalog

          I’m not splitting semantic hairs. I’m pointing out that your claim is an incorrect statement of a significant procedural issue.

          A prima facie case is NOT the same thing as meeting the prosecution’s burden of proving each and every element of the crime beyond a reasonable doubt.

  • Tina Trenner

    Unless someone has “fixed” or there is some huge “Surprise” witness this trial its over….It makes me sick because it was never a case. The media drove it and some “Progressive” black “leaders” took advantage of it. But when Zimmerman walks are we going to see violence erupt in the streets? This seems way more an instrument of the left’s agenda than a real trial. In reality it was a smart ass kid and a man worried about crime in his neighborhood. Sad it happened ,but I do not believe it was anything more than an awful series of events.

  • ziggy zoggy

    Everybody take a good look at a map of the neighborhood where Martin attacked Zimmerman. It is not in between the house of his father and the store he walked to where he bought skittles and Arizona Watermelon Iced tea. It isn’t even close. Skittles and iced tea are used with over the counter cold medicines to concoct homemade drugs such as “lean,” which is very popular where Martin lived. That explains why he hadn’t drunk the tea or eaten the candy prior to his timely death. Martin was a proved racist and wannabe thug based on his own facebook page. He had been previously disciplined by school authorities because burglary tools and stolen jewelry were found in his locker. The neighborhood Zimmerman patrolled had been subject to numerous burglaries. Forensics show that Zimmerman had been on his back in wet grass, he suffered injuries to his face and the back of his head and that his pistol had been fired from point blank range and the shell casing hadn’t ejected – all of which is consistent with his testimony of Martin being on top of him and trying to kill him. The only eyewitness for the prosecution(!) also backs up that testimony, and the other “witness” is a repulsive and obviously mentally retarded, racist hatemonger whose phone records prove she was not on the phone with Martin during his assault on Zimmerman.

    Martin was a six feet tall, middle class, racist, thug and criminal who was trying to murder another human being out of anger, and not an innocent Black child murdered by a racist white man. Zimmerman is the real victim and despite his name, he is Latin – not that being ethnic German or Jewish would make the racist narrative of Whitey killing “another” poor Black child any less false and contemptible.
    The world is a better place now that Martin is dead. The only reason he wasn’t able to murder Zimmerman is that Zimmerman was armed. Imagine if he had attacked an unarmed and weaker opponent?

    • 8ball

      http://www.hlntv.com/interactive/2013/06/17/zimmerman-trayvon-map-interactive

      Here’s a link to the map zz’s too lazy to put up.

      • ziggy zoggy

        Ateballs,

        is there some reason your phony map doesn’t show the location of the store Martin bought his drug ingredients from?

        Not that you bothered to address any of the other facts I posted.

        Why are you making excuses for an attempted murderer who got what he deserved? Other than sadistic anti-White racism, of course.

    • Progressives Rule

      Imagine if the WannaBeCopCoward had listened to the 911 dispatcher’s instructions and stayed in his truck.

      • ziggy zoggy

        Imagine if a 911 dispatcher were authoritative and intelligent.

  • S7teen70six

    Yeah, but who are you going to believe? A creepy ass cracker or an upstanding retarded sensor that speaks Black English and doesn’t read cursive or write her own very sincere letters?

  • objectivefactsmatter

    I’ll be waiting to hear what the “great uniter” has to say after the verdict.

    • OfficialPro

      Probably something along the lines of “That could have been my son”. But if B.O. had a son and he was doing what Trayvon Martin was doing, B.O. would have a serious problem.

      He’d probably even ignore the fact that Trayvon CHOSE to attack Zimmerman, instead of going to the house he was staying at.

    • ziggy zoggy

      It will depend on what the verdict is. The fact that he will comment at all shows how corrupt and racist he is. And deeply confused, because no matter what he taps his heels and believes in, HE IS NOT BLACK. Not all the black power suits in the world can change that.

  • tagalog

    Christina Coleman in a net publication called Global Grind explains in all the hackneyed triteness you could ask for why white people just don’t understand why “creepy-ass cracker” is not racist and why people just don’t understand the police-averse and deeply sensitive to racial remarks black culture tells lies about the cops and why black people never call them (so why do the police show up in black neighborhoods so much?). You can find Christina Coleman articles and the Global Grind in the Drudge Report.

  • Jane Smith

    Why didn’t the prosecutor ask this guy if he saw the start of the fight?If he didn’t,he has no idea if Trayvon Martin had just gotten the better of Zimmerman .I read a story once about a pregnant woman breaking her attackers leg.How many times have you heard about someone starting a fight and then getting the crap kicked out of them? what would any of you do if some guy was following you with a gun ,and you managed to fight him? You would fight for your life with everything you had,and you all know it!

  • seewithyourowneyes

    It is as impossible for Zimmerman to get a fair trial in this country as it once was for black men accused of rape in Alabama.
    Although there is plenty of racism still evident in our country, the Progressives are never satisfied with addressing real racism during an election cycle. They demand fresh meat in order to gin up the vote. Remember the sudden re-appearance of “lynchings” during the 2008 election season? National media reported that a black professor at an infamously liberal (culturally Marxist, actually) New York teachers college claimed that a noose had been placed in her office. Then the story disappeared. A little research showed that she’d also complained in the past of racial harassment, but those claims had been dismissed because of evidence supplied by the hall cameras. hmmmm. Or how about that small town Louisiana case where the Black Panthers ginned up a lot of news because a young black man with a long arrest record had been accused of attempted murder for knocking a white kid out, stomping on his head, breaking his ribs and putting him into a coma. The Panthers’ complaint? The charge of attempted murder was too high. The Panthers argued, just in time for Obama’s 2008 election, that the whole town was racist and that a tree at the high school was reserved just for whites and that the tree was festooned with nooses to threaten blacks. Big news story and big vote getter, I’m sure. But it turned out that there was no tree reserved for whites. There was a tree where the school’s “jocks,” both black and white, usually sat. That tree was regularly decorated with taunts and insults against opposing teams just before a big game. The nooses is question were placed before a big game in the school colors of an opposing team which was mostly black. The boosters that had used the offensive nooses were promptly disciplined, sensitivity training courses were required. etc. etc. Most important of all, the white victim in this case was not implicated in any way in the nooses incident. He was attacked months later, sucker-punched at a party and then stomped on while unconscious. (A type of crime which we’re seeing more and more of across the country and which is overwhelmingly black-on-white.)
    It’s not as though we don’t have real white-on-black racist crimes that could be cited at election time. But the Proggies never mind falsifying the evidence in order to exaggerate the racism they need to get elected. Let’s face the truth. Black on black crime is by far the biggest threat to blacks in this country. And a black person is seven times more likely to murder a white person in America than a white person is to murder a black.

    • ziggy zoggy

      Actually, Blacks are 8 times more likely to murder a White than the other way round, according to FBI statistics.

  • seewithyourowneyes

    I am appalled by the disgraceful media bias in this case. For months they showed only out-dated photos of Trayvon as a twelve-year old and describe him as a “child.” They emphasized over and over that Zimmerman, in addition to being armed, outweighed the “child” Trayvon. Really? I think most rational people would agree that a 6 foot tall, 17 year-old football player, no matter how immature he may be intellectually, can present a formidable physical threat. Further, a 17 year-old football player can easily avoid confrontation by outrunning the average adult. If he actually wants to avoid confrontation. — and then there’s the weight issue. Zimmerman was heavier than Trayvon, but he was also much shorter. In other words, he was overweight. All the recordings show Zimmerman huffing and puffing as he tries to keep sight of Trayvon while talking to 911. Even the prosecution’s thuggish “star witness”, Trayvon’s girlfriend, commented on the winded Zimmerman’s heavy breathing. If Trayvon was unaware of the gun, it would be logical for him to assume that he, not Zimmerman, had the physical advantage. Hardly a “child.”
    And what about the supposed “racial slur” that the media invented out of whole cloth to try to brand Zimmerman as a racist? I remember listening as they played that recording over and over and wondering when someone would finally stand up and declare that the emperor had no clothes. Can you imagine the furor, or most likely riots, if the media had showed such outrageous bias against a black defendant? But it’s OK for the media to contrive false evidence against a white/latino defendant if a racial crime will help gin up black votes during election season! Shame. Shame. Shame.
    And don’t you think it’s odd that, after months of emphasizing the racial aspects of this crime during election season, the defense now declares that it is not accusing Zimmerman of racial profiling?
    To be clear, I don’t know for certain whether Zimmerman shot Trayvon in self-defense or in a fit of pique. But I think the media should stop trying to prevent him from getting a fair trial. The media should apologize every time they run a Trayvon story for inventing a “racial slur’ to smear Zimmerman’s character. The media should apologize every time they run such stories for picturing the strapping Trayvon as a 12 year old. Further, the media should stop trying to criminalize Zimmerman for following Trayvon. Zimmerman had every bit as much right to walk in his own neighborhood as Trayvon did. If my neighborhood had suffered a crime wave as bad as Zimmerman’s had, I too might follow a group of teenagers if I thought they were up to no good. In fact, I have done so. I wanted them (white teenagers, by the way) to see that I was watching them. Wouldn’t you? As for the 911 operator’s instructions not to follow, aren’t these advisory only? Placing a 911 call does not rob you of your other rights or make it a felony to walk in your own neighborhood. No matter how eager a biased media are to imply otherwise! I think it was a little foolish, and perhaps reckless, of Zimmerman to follow Trayvon if his intent was to confront him. But verbal confrontation, if one did occur, is perfectly legal and does not justify physical assault. And it is not yet clear to me that Zimmerman ever sought even a verbal confrontation. Zimmerman expressed to the 911 operator his frustration that the criminals plaguing his neighborhood “always get away.” Naturally, he would want to keep Trayvon in sight so that he could locate him when the police arrived. The odds of the overweight Zimmerman actually catching Trayvon the 17 year old football player can’t have been very high. Listen to him huff and puff while talking to the 911 operator. Listen to the sounds of his footfalls. He’s not running full out. He’s just kind of jogging along and he’s out of breath already. Was he simply trailing at a distance, trying not to lose sight of Trayvon?
    Let’s be objective. So we have Zimmerman claiming that Trayvon began running when he noticed he was being followed, that Trayvon then looped around in order to take Zimmerman by surprise, that Trayvon pushed Zimmerman to the ground and began bashing his head against the sidewalk, and that Zimmerman fired because he feared for his life. We have corroborating evidence in the wounds on the back of Zimmerman’s head, the grass stains on his back, and the grass stains on Trayvon’s knees. Further, the emt witness said that the taller fellow in dark clothing(who must be Trayvon) was on top and the guy wearing red (must be Zimmerman) was on the bottom. This witness says he could not see the point of contact but that he saw the arms of the guy on top repeatedly being raised and then coming down, which would suggest a beating. On Trayvon’s side we have a witness who saw nothing but says she thought that the cries for help sounded like the cries of a younger man. We have Trayvon’s girlfriend who says that she was on the phone with him when he noticed a “cracker” (whom he later called an “n word”) following him. That she heard Trayvon ask,”Why are you following me?’ and Zimmerman, breathing heavily, ask “What are you doing here?” Then she heard a sound like someone hitting wet grass. (Does the girlfriend’s testimony help Trayvon or Zimmerman? Seems pretty ambiguous to me.) Also for Trayvon we have the fact that none of Zimmerman’s dna was found on Trayvon.
    Let’s stick to the facts. It would be really nice if the media would let the rest of this case play out without further vilifying the defendant. In this country all accuseds are innocent until proven guilty – even whitish ones who are accused of racial crimes during an election year.

    • ziggy zoggy

      Zimmerman is innocent and martin deserved to die.

      • Guy Fromage

        While I agree George is innocent of the crime for which he is accused, and that he acted clearly within the law, and morally, when he defended himself, I do not agree Martin deserved to die.

        The sad fact is, Martin narrowed George’s options to survival to only one viable choice. It would have been better for both to survive the encounter, but George had every reason to believe it was a matter of “me or him,” given Trayvon’s threat, followed by his earnest effort to make good on that threat.

        • ziggy zoggy

          If you believe that Martin tried to murder Zimmerman, why do you think he deserved to live?

          • Guy Fromage

            There is a difference between being justified to use deadly force, and being justified to commit homicide.

            It’s a fine point, but it’s an important one.

          • ziggy zoggy

            If Zimmerman had intended to commit homicide he never would have wound up flat on his back getting pummeled. Besides, Martin deserved to take what he tried to dish out.

          • Guy Fromage

            You have misconstrued my meaning. It is not my position that George intended to do anything, except defend himself.

            Maybe I can explain what I mean, via a hypothetical. Let’s say George shot Martin, and the wound was debilitating, but not fatal. Martin, after being shot, ceases hostilities, sits back, and asks for an ambulance to be called.

            If we operate from the premise that Martin “deserved to die,” as you put it, George would be justified, morally at least, to let Martin bleed out, without summoning assistance, or shooting him again, this time fatally.

            I don’t agree Martin deserved to die. This does not mean I don’t believe his death was morally or legally justifiable.

          • ziggy zoggy

            All righty then. I still think martin deserved to die.

          • Guy Fromage

            We can agree to disagree, then.

  • Progressives Rule

    Jennifer Lauer testified that the man on top of the fight was wearing a red jacket.
    .
    Selma Mora said a person straddling another person told her to call police. Minutes later, Zimmerman was on his feet after a gunshot.
    .
    Jane Surdyka said she saw the person who was on top get off of the other person after the shot was fired.
    .
    Jeannee Manalo, testified after Surdyka that she believed Zimmerman was on top of Martin.
    .
    Joe Manalo said the person on top was doing the MMA “ground and pound” on the bottom person. WannaBeCopCoward Zimmerman told P.A. Lindzey Folgate he was taking MMA strenuously 3 times a week way back in August of 2011.
    .
    Spin those “facts”.

    • ziggy zoggy

      “Spin those ‘facts.’”
      You already did.

  • Guy Fromage

    Note to self: Avoid the rush. Pick up some Arizona Ice Tea and Skittles for my upcoming George Acquittal party.

    It will be BYOCS (bring your own cough syrup), but if you bring cough syrup, you won’t be allowed in.

  • Progressives Rule

    Besides Zimmerman’s own words the interrogation by the detectives will hang him. It’s obvious they know he screwed up as soon as he got out of his truck! Zimmerman’s body language shows he knows it too. Stick a fork in him!

  • Guy Fromage

    Another day for poor showing for the prosecution. I need to start preparing my George Acquittal party invitations now.

    • navin r. johnson

      Are you going to have a guy fromage sampling tray? Nah, you’d just eat it all yourself. Did you celebrate the day OJ got off too? I bet you kicked your dog, beat your wife, and scowled at every “colored” that walked past your porch. May your daughter be impregnated by a black man.

  • Progressives Rule

    Riddle me this, Bat-witnesses…
    .
    Riddle #1 – Why was no blood found on Martin’s hands? The coward said Martin tried to suffocate him with both hands covering his mouth and nose, his broken and bleeding nose. (Please don’t tell me the grass washed his hands. LOL!)
    .
    Riddle #2 – Why no blood or DNA on the gun or the coward’s shirt or jacket? The coward told his book-writing friend that Martin actually took his gun and that he wrestled it back. (As if that weakling could ever do that!) He told police Martin slid his hand down his side going for the gun.
    .
    Riddle #3 – The coward said Martin looked down and saw his gun. He also said it was pitch black outside. How did Martin see his black gun in the darkness?
    .
    Riddle #4 – The coward told Detective Sorvino he didn’t return to his truck because his flashlight was dead. When Det. Sorvino pointed out to him that he had followed Martin all the way over there in the dark, the coward had nothing to say. Do you believe the coward?
    .
    Riddle #5 – The coward told police he was afraid o Martin while he was sitting in the safety of his truck with a loaded gun on his side. So, is it believable that he
    would get out and follow someone in the dark who he was that afraid of?
    .
    Riddle #6 – The coward said Martin “jumped out of the bushes” and attacked him. For most of that area there were no bushes. What bushes there were… were two feet high. Do you believe him?
    .
    Riddle #7 – So far, the only testimony as to who started the fight came from Martin’s friend, Ms Jentel (sp?) who was on the phone with him during most of this. She testified how it sounded like Martin was attacked by the coward who had a gun. If the defense can’t produce any evidence to the contrary, do you think the jury should acquit the coward for reasons of self-defense when he started the fight?

  • Progressives Rule

    Excellent questions! The coward saying he needed to go look for a street sign is one of his biggest lies!

  • Guy Fromage

    Looking forward to the next set of prosecution witnesses. This ought to be good.

  • (((d-_-b)))

    Wow. The confidence in which people speak their personal opinions is an amazing event to behold itself.

  • (((d-_-b)))

    People believe everything they think.

  • Guy Fromage

    The testimony from Alexis Carter was quite helpful to the cause of justice.

    Keep those “prosecution” witnesses coming! Oh, almost out? Oh well.

  • Progressives Rule

    Good day for the prosecution. WannaBeCopCoward was exposed as the liar we all knew. Nothing he has said can be believed. All jury has to do is listen to detective Servino call him on all his lies during his interview with him.
    .
    Stick a fork in ‘em.

    • Guy Fromage

      Now that all the defense-favoring “prosecution witnesses” have spoken, the defense has their turn.

      All aboard the Acquittal Train!

  • Guy Fromage

    Does George Zimmerman’s story add up?

    Why yes. Yes it does.

    http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/07/02/george-zimmerman-trial-inconsistencies-zimmerman-story

    • navin r. johnson

      It’s a shame Martin didn’t have his CC license. This whole story would be reversed. Little righteous, overzealous apologists like yourself would hide in your homes in fear of legally armed black people. Zimmerman deserves an involuntary manslaughter charge, and the syg laws need to be clarified because of all the idiot 2.5s running around. Trayvon Martin was standing his ground, if and when he stuck Zimmerman. I have some guy cheese for you right here buddy. Wipe the remnants of your last customer of your lips.

      • Guy Fromage

        navin r. johnson says:

        It’s a shame Martin didn’t have his CC license. This whole story would
        be reversed. Little righteous, overzealous apologists like yourself
        would hide in your homes in fear of legally armed black people.
        Zimmerman deserves an involuntary manslaughter charge, and the syg laws
        need to be clarified because of all the idiot 2.5s running around.
        Trayvon Martin was standing his ground, if and when he stuck Zimmerman. I
        have some guy cheese for you right here buddy. Wipe the remnants of
        your last customer of your lips.

        Martin was not eligible for a CHL, so if he had been carrying a firearm, he would have been doing so illegally (which would have been true to form for Martin, as it has been established he was a thief and a drug abuser.

        What morons like yourself seem to misunderstand, is the reason conservatives promote CCW, is because there are many punks like Martin out there, who DO go armed.

        It doesn’t surprise me you root for the criminal side.

        • navin r. johnson

          Had he been an adult and had a concealed carry your overzealous, moron, vigilante argument would fall to pieces. The call girl who was murdered in Texas, for not having sex with a john, is a perfect example of how far some people will take these things. The past three presidents have been guilty of the same drug abuse. The last two used cocaine so shove it. I’m sure you’re for killing your own child for similar offenses? Zimmerman has had run ins with the law himself. The officer that arrested him last felt it necessary to charge him with resisting arrest, and he has already been caught lying to the court. You know from what you’ve already heard Zimmerman is a douche. Actually you don’t see what’s wrong with him because you youself lack self-awareness. I have no problem with cc, but scared clam clappers like you and Zimmerman will ruin things for everyone by acting like gangsta vigilantes. Syg laws should be clarified and not be so broad. Zimmerman was looking for trouble and caused a confrontation. There is a reason no one wanted him as a cop. You are generally on the crminal’s side from what I’ve seen. “just as every cop is a criminal, and all the sinners saints.”. STAY SCARED!

        • navin r. johnson

          If he would have been 18 and had his cc license your argument would fall apart. Syg laws are too broad in some states. I posted a whole argument and was super respectful, compared to how I’ve talked to you before, but this site keeps moderating it. Most of these conservative site’s moderators censor the good arguments just like the uber liberals censor anything they find offensive. I’m not allowed to post arguments that make the articles look stupid, use satire, or be even mildly offensive(on CNN). I think I’ll just watch George Carlin and laugh while humanity circles the drain. You are a scared conservative gangsta! Stay scared.

          • Guy Fromage

            Navin R. Johnson says:

            If he would have been 18 and had his cc license your argument would fall apart. Syg laws are too broad in some states. I posted a whole argument and was super respectful, compared to how I’ve talked to you before, but this site keeps moderating it. Most of these conservative site’s moderators censor the good arguments just like the uber liberals censor
            anything they find offensive. I’m not allowed to post arguments that make the articles look stupid, use satire, or be even mildly offensive(on CNN). I think I’ll just watch George Carlin and laugh while humanity circles the drain. You are a scared conservative gangsta! Stay scared.

            Actually, your argument falls apart even now, as the age threshold in Florida is 21.

            I call BS on your claims of censorship. You post crap, then delete it after responses from conservatives destroy your arguments. You must like Disquis, because it doesn’t even leave a trace of your identity behind when you do this.

            As far as my “being scared.” That’s projection.

          • navin r. johnson

            You just avoid every argument that shows how gangsta you really are. You are not that dumb. You understand my point. My identity? All conservatives are scared. That is why they don’t want change. In this instance you are scared of black people, and your historical advantages disappearing. You better put your cape on and start crusading. Step it up and get off your computer. All the black men with white women are actually rapists right? Why are you scared to fully voice your opinions on The internet? You’re just like Zimmerman. You’re scared. You’ll probably do something just like him soon enough and hate yourself just like he probably does. Temper yourself guy cheese lover.

          • Guy Fromage

            Navin R. Johnson says:

            You just avoid every argument that shows how gangsta you really are. You are not that dumb. You understand my point. My identity? All conservatives are scared. That is why they don’t want change. In this
            instance you are scared of black people, and your historical advantages disappearing. You better put your cape on and start crusading. Step it up and get off your computer. All the black men with white women are
            actually rapists right? Why are you scared to fully voice your opinions on The internet? You’re just like Zimmerman. You’re scared. You’ll probably do something just like him soon enough and hate yourself just like he probably does. Temper yourself guy cheese lover.

            You just avoid every argument that shows how gangsta you really are.

            Since I am not “gasta,” such arguments may be ignored.

            All conservatives are scared. That is why they don’t want change.

            Here. This is a good example. Your starting premise is flawed, and so all the follows is worthless, as it is all predicated on a falsehood.

            In this instance you are scared of black people, and your historical advantages disappearing.

            See? That’s exactly how it works!

            Step it up and get off your computer.

            If only you were to do the same.

            All the black men with white women are actually rapists right?

            What an odd thing to say. Project much? Oh wait, it’s obvious you do.

            Why are you scared to fully voice your opinions on The internet?

            This question appears to be, again, predicated upon a misconception. What that misconception might be, I have no idea.

            You’re just like Zimmerman. You’re scared.

            Carbon-based? Check. Homo Sapiens? Check. Armed? Check. Schooled in the legality of lethal force in self-defense? Check.

            Nah. Not all that scared, really.

            You’ll probably do something just like him soon enough and hate yourself just like he probably does. (emphasis mine)

            See, that’s wishful thinking on your part. You desperately want (no, make that need, as is evident by your insistence on continuing to beat a dead and decaying horse) for him to be tortured for defending his life. Get over yourself. This is just you coming to terms with, if only subconsciously thus far, the fact that George will walk, an innocent man. Consequently, you need for him to suffer in some way, but self-deluded and small individual you are, you cannot admit, at least openly, that you want him to be killed by a vigilante. Own your impotent hate. Face it.

            Temper yourself guy cheese lover.

            And the closing ad hominem, so characteristic of the emotionally stunted.

  • Progressives Rule

    Here’s a great video exposing and explaining the WannaBeCopCoward’s lies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wEKm_r7uSw

  • Progressives Rule

    Florida’s Disastrous Self-Defense Law:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/24/opinion/floridas-disastrous-self-defense-law.html?_r=0
    Irresponsible laws like this give normally cowatds, like Zimmerman, the freedom to kill anybody for the thinnest of reasons.

  • Daniel Vincent Kelley

    The REAL Issue is, that Zimmercunt had KIDNAPPED Trayvon by grappling him in his “guard”, that means his legs wrapped around Trayvon’s waist, trapping him there against his will. Zimmercunt is on record LIEING about the start of the fight. That’s the critical moment that decides whether Zimmercunt should be EXECUTED or not and at first he said Trayvon “jumped out from bushes… surprising him…” Later he said Trayvon yelled at him, “you got a problem?” And when taken on scene he described even a different version of events. Long story short, Zimmerman started the fight. He trapped Trayvon there against his will, then he shot him, then he got on his back and crushed him to death, according to Selma Mora who was THE ONLY PERSON WHO WITNESSED Trayvon DIE. And she said 1 moment Zimmerman was on his back and Trayvon’s legs were wiggling around, this was AFTER the gun shot. Then Zimmerman got up after Trayvon stopped moving. And Zimmerman paced around with his hand on his head, convenient time to scrape his head.

  • Daniel Vincent Kelley

    Zimmercunt trained in Mixed Martial Arts for a year before he murdered Trayvon. Most likely he started the fight with Trayvon by jumping into guard, meaning he jumped on Trayvon at waist height and wrapped his legs around Trayvon then leaned backward and pulled Trayvon to the ground on top of him. Notice in this court case the IDIOT Prosecution hasn’t bothered to ask the witnesses WHERE WAS Zimmerman’s legs? Wrapped around Trayvon’s waist OBVIOUSLY as he had trained Mixed Martial Arts for a year. If you just watch UFC 2X you’ll know to establish guard in your ground fight.

    • Guy Fromage

      Except that he didn’t murder Martin. Only in Imagination Land did George attack Martin. Martin was much faster than George. If it was Martin’s singular desire to get as far away from George as he could, George would never have been able to keep up.

  • Guy Fromage

    It looks like the defense will be wrapping this case up shortly. George is clearly innocent of the charges against him. The forensic evidence lines up with George’s account of events. The prosecution witnesses, on balance, helped the defense most of all. The puerile, if predictable, whines of racism have all been proven to be complete nonsense.

    It’s too bad Martin decided he had been ‘dissed,’ and had to put the ‘crackah’ in his place.

    That was a mistake.

  • Guy Fromage

    I haz a happy!

  • Truth928

    WTF ? Martin was obviously attacking Zimmerman. Black- white- hispanic…You start beating on someone like that = breaking their nose and cracking their head getting shot IS legit….
    Sorry Sharpton, obama ……..
    Racism IS alive and well and police do kill innocent minorities a lot ..That is a fact but claiming THIS is anything but self – defense is LUDICROUS and shows just how stupid and ignorant people can be..
    Stevie Wonder, Springsteen…Stick to music ’cause you both are ignorant when it comes to these real life situations….IGNORANT.

  • Babbers

    3am…can’t sleep…considerately trying to be quiet…and then, “Maybe Trayvon Martin was trying to feed George Zimmerman some of those skittles we keep hearing about.” I involuntarily laughed so loud & hard that I woke up the whole house. I just did not see that one coming at all. Brilliant ;)