My Life as a Public Enemy

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fjordmanI am currently completing a book about the Anders Behring Breivik case and how I got dragged into it against my will. The working title is Witness to Madness, with the subtitle How I Became Public Enemy Number Two. I was considering dropping the reference to being a “public enemy,” as it might be seen as hyperbole. Yet after the reactions I’ve received since the beginning of June 2013, this title actually seems warranted.

On Friday June 14, I announced on my Twitter account, in Norwegian, that I’d just been awarded a grant of 75,000 kroner to support the completion of my upcoming book about the Breivik case. This grant came from Fritt Ord, which is Norway’s largest and most well-funded free speech organization by far.

I was quite happy to receive it, as it had not at all been certain that I would get it. The decision was bound to cause some controversy, given how controversial I am in Norway, but the mass media reactions once again exceeded anything I had truly expected. A full week after my tweet, the debate had still not died down. A Member of Parliament representing the ruling government coalition blasted the decision and me personally on the state broadcaster NRK. The crux of the debate is: Does freedom of speech apply even to truly loathsome creeps like Fjordman?

The controversy was mentioned in the other Scandinavian countries, too, for instance on Denmark’s public broadcaster DR, as well as in national newspapers in Sweden such as Aftonbladet and Expressen.

The good news is that quite a few individuals have taken a principled stand in favor of free speech. The support that meant the most to me personally was that of the long-time publisher William Nygaard. He was the Norwegian publisher of Salman Rushdie’s novel The Satanic Verses and was nearly killed outside his own home in Oslo in 1993. In other words, this is a man who has personally paid a price for doing what he does, and who probably also genuinely disagrees with many of the things that I write, but who nevertheless supports free speech as a matter of principle. He is also not alone in doing this, which is encouraging.

However, the reactions were a very mixed bag, sometimes bordering on the hysterical. Fritt Ord has previously supported the publishing of books by Communists who supported the genocidal Khmer Rouge regime in Cambodia, yet in my all but unique case, the chair of their board, the former Supreme Court Justice Georg Fredrik Rieber-Mohn, found it necessary to distance himself from me in public while at the same time giving me a grant.

Rieber-Mohn stated to the press that this was one of the most difficult decisions Fritt Ord has ever made, considering my allegedly “extreme” viewpoints, but they saw the value in letting me present my side of the story as well. He further stated that it would be of great value for society to have a debate about what Mr. Peder Jensen stands for, so “that one gets him out into open terrain and that everybody who wants to attack him has the opportunity to do so.” That’s very thoughtful and considerate of Mr. Rieber-Mohn, who in statements to the mass media has repeatedly labeled my ideas and opinions as “avskyelige,” that is, abominable or loathsome.

Fjordman became a sort of all-purpose bogeyman in Norway, post-Breivik. A man named Daniel Kalvø in June 2013 published an essay in English comparing me to a cancerous tumor. I’ve previously been compared to toxic waste or a plague epidemic, among many, many other colorful designations.

At the liberal conservative periodical Minerva, the writer Eirik Vatnøy has previously indicated that he is in favor of free speech. Vatnøy thinks that my essays should be taught in high school alongside Adolf Hitler’s autobiography Mein Kampf, so that young people learn to recognize evil when they see it.

The popular author Ingvar Ambjørnsen found it provocative that I had applied for a grant from Fritt Ord at all, but he recalled that in 2006 they had supported the publishing of a Norwegian translation of the speeches of Osama bin Laden, so supporting me should presumably be OK, too. Yes, that Bin Laden, who led the terrorist network al-Qaida, responsible for the murder of thousands of people around the world in dozens of terror attacks, of which the ones in the USA on September 11, 2001 are simply the deadliest and most spectacular.

Eirik Vatnøy and Ingvar Ambjørnsen thus support freedom of speech even for incredibly evil people such as Adolf Hitler, Osama bin Laden or me. Which is good, I suppose.

As it turned out, the book by Osama bin Laden which Fritt Ord supported in 2006 did not cause too much controversy. When Fritt Ord decided to give financial support in a similar manner to my book in June 2013, all hell broke loose. This must presumably mean that I am more controversial in Norway than Osama bin Laden.

Several newspapers dedicated editorials specifically to the controversy surrounding my yet-unpublished book. The left-wing daily Dagsavisen declared that this support to publish a book by me was “dangerous.” Dangerous in what way, and to whom? The editorial reminded the readers that this was not the first time Fritt Ord had given support to persons with “radical views.” I initially thought they meant the Muslim terrorist Osama bin Laden, but the newspaper was referring to the Christian philosopher and author Nina Karin Monsen, who has criticized gay marriage.

It should be mentioned in this regard that Dagsavisen received more than 41 million kroner in direct press support in 2012 alone, sponsored by all of the country’s tax payers whether they want to or not. It’s one of the main reasons why the paper exists today. I’ve paid for this myself for years, against my will. Yet when a private organization decides to award a political opponent 75 thousand kroner in a one-time grant – 0.0018 times as much as they get from the state annually – they complain.

Rune Berglund Steen of the Norwegian Centre against Racism, which has received millions in state funding for many years and still does, was openly critical of this decision by a privately funded organization to give me a grant, although that same organization has supported the Centre against Racism a number of times, too. The Centre got 75,000 kroner in support from Fritt Ord for various “anti-racist” projects in the month of May 2013 alone, which is exactly as much as I got in June 2013. And this came on top of their millions in state support.

On June 18, 2013, the major national daily VG in Norway published a special editorial entitled “VG believe: Our democracy can withstand Fjordman.” This opinion piece was unsigned, but the paper’s CEO and editor-in-chief is Torry Pedersen, and its political editor is Hanne Skartveit. The newspaper claimed that I do not share the fundamental values of our civilization but instead spread unfounded “hate” against Muslims. In essence, they virtually branded me a public enemy. Nevertheless, in the end the paper came out in favor of the decision by a private foundation to support the publishing of my book. VG gave this justification for their thinking:

“Our main argument in favor of supporting the monetary grant from Fritt Ord is that it illustrates the strength of the Norwegian democracy. A man who clearly despises our society and our values is applying for money to be able to continue denigrating this society. This money he will get, because we as a society are confident that we can meet this hate speech in an open terrain. Our democracy can withstand Fjordman, precisely because we have the strength to beat back hate speech and anti-human attitudes. With words as weapons.”

Please note that at the time this was published, my book wasn’t even fully written yet, let alone published, something which I had told the press. My intention is to have the manuscript for Witness to Madness completed by the end of this summer and hopefully have the book in circulation by late 2013, if that is practically possible.

Moreover, it was also known that I no longer live in Norway since I had to flee the country after being partly blamed for the terror attacks of July 22, 2011 carried out by Anders Behring Breivik, a person I have never once met. I have also not been a member of any political party throughout my adult life. So what this editorial in newspaper VG actually said is that the Norwegian democracy is strong enough to withstand a book that has not yet been published, written by a single individual with no criminal record who no longer lives in Norway. I suppose that’s good. Norwegian democracy must be really, really strong to withstand that kind of pressure.

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  • tacheles

    [Our democracy can withstand Fjordman, precisely because we have the strength to beat back hate speech and anti-human attitudes.]
    This coming from the supporters of a barbaric 7th century death cult. This is a spectacular inversion of values. The left has truly descended into madness.

    • catherineinpvb

      (Just “bumped’ the ‘¥, by mistake!))

      Agree with the absolute ‘madness’ that holds these people. Minds; impenetrable to Reason; succumbing to – insisting on – a viral ‘Willful Ignorance’ – can only propel civilization backwards. We must resist, by all means; the now, seemingly ‘fast backwards’ momentum.

      (Appreciate the efforts of all – including those her at ‘Front Page’ – who are determined to contain/obliterate the viral thinking.)

    • Storm_Rider

      “We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the
      first duty of intelligent men… In a time of universal deceit – telling the
      truth is a revolutionary act.” George
      Orwell

      “If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what
      they do not want to hear.” George Orwell

    • Aesop

      What are you talking about? Is it Fjordman or Sharia? Do you know anything about Norway? Or for that matter, most muslims in Norway?

      • http://document.no Marit

        We all know more than enough of your “muslims in Norway”. Or any other country for that matter. Look to Syria. Islam fulfilled.

        • Aesop

          A bit rich, considering how much we Europeans have warred.

          • FalkoBaumgartner

            What religion has been more violent than Islam? They warred from day 1 to spread their faith: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_conquest

          • Aesop

            Well, the thing which bugs me in Syria is that we (the US, UK, France) team up with Saudi and Qatar in supporting the worst, so I don’t blame it on Islam as much (not saying I am a fan, but blaming all on Islam is not realistic).

            Especially since it’s not the first war in the former Greco-Turkish empire between ethnic groups. The Greeks vs Bulgarians was very ugly, for instance. As was Croat vs Serb.

          • FalkoBaumgartner

            The question of the international power game aside, the sectarian conflict of Syria today is exactly what Norway can expect in a few decades when its once homogenous native population has become sufficiently ‘diversified’ along ethnic and religious lines. The bitter tragedy of Norway’s multicultural establishment is that it believes it can take all the world in, but can keep all its conflicts out. This view is so naive that it is criminal. Fjordman is merely the messenger who calls multiculturalism what many people have come to see by now, a sure recipe for civil war.

          • Aesop

            I tended to view Fjordman as a canary of sorts, so we he increasingly started talking in terms of war and in terms of ideological racism (genetics based), it worried me. Then you got Breivik, the looner who hated immigrants due to adolescent experiences, who in Fjordman found a framework on which to build his school massacre style revenge on the world. It is not to say that Fjordman led to Breivik, but it shows that a lot of what he writes is toxic.

          • Tore_Hund

            You do not know what he writes. If you have read anything of what he writes yourself (which I doubt) you have misinterpreted it.

          • Aesop

            No, I’ve been over many of his articles. He writes stuff like “culture follows genes.” Try reading Vidar Enebakk’s summary for instance.

          • Tore_Hund

            Is that a view that should be disallowed, is “science” set in stone and all opposing opinions wrong by default? Vidar Enebakk is a left-wing historian, who organizes Saudi financed propaganda in Norway. His “summary” is not very interesting in my opinion.

          • Tore_Hund

            By now you should understand why we criticize the elites, as well as Islam.

          • Aesop

            Not really, I think what he is doing is similar to what the nazis did before the war, in the sense that they spoke of an alien jewish bolsjevik conspiracy. The so called elite is just normal people who you can debate with. We are a small country and the hang up some have on the old AKP-ml people, it is beyond reasonable. If you had been better at arguing within the system, you might have gotten somewhere.

          • Tore_Hund

            Fjordman was reared by two AKP-ml supporting parents (AKP-ml: communist marxist leninist political party i Norway, today known under the name Rødt, which is literally Red in English). Maybe he (and others) have some insights you do not possess. Is that possible at all? How would I have gotten anywhere? You like the current system and political climate in Norway, you claim you want to reduce immigration, and you have not one single result to show for it. On what theory do you build your claim that I or anyone else would have gotten anywhere by adhering to your strategy?

  • Michael Copeland

    “Sentence first: verdict later” (Lewis Caroll).

  • billmorgenstein

    Norwegian Centre against Racism couldn’t be more bizarre if it was called Nazis against racism!

    • Aesop

      Ta deg en bolle.

      • Tore_Hund

        The crappiest reply so far….

  • Infidel4Ever

    I’ve followed Fjordman’s intelligent and incisive commentary for years. It’s no surprise the left wants to silence like they do. He is a truly courageous man, God bless him.

    • FalkoBaumgartner

      One has to congratulate Fjordman for keeping his coolness, and I think a subtle dry sense for humour too, in the face of the soft totalitarian political correctness which can be one truly nasty force in Scandinavia. When it comes to intolerance against dissident voices about Islam and multiculturalism Norway and Sweden take the cake in Europe along with GB, although the repressive situation is bad everywhere. But I think we may have reached the point of inflexion, I certainly hope so.

      • Aesop

        totalitarian, political correctness? Do you mean the vast majority who don’t support a pure white homeland, cleansing of muslims and the settling of scores with “the elite” (ie the elected politians in a democacy and others who don’t agree with him)?

        • FalkoBaumgartner

          Can’t make sense of your post. Care to present it in a coherent way?

          • Aesop

            I think you should read Fjordman in a more comprehensive and critical way, then you will see what I am talking about. It all adds up to a very ugly picture.

          • FalkoBaumgartner

            I understand what Fjordman says, though I still don’t quite understand what you actually mean. The big picture is that Islam is now on its third advance against Europe after the Arab and Ottoman onslaught and that tiny Norway will be swallowed up by it like nothing if it does not immediately reverse its immigration policies towards the third world.

          • Aesop

            What I mean is that there are many good reasons to slow down immigration and that there are lots of ways of doing so, that does not come with neither the ideological package nor the hatred that Fjordman provides.

  • LindaRivera

    Fjordman is a HERO! Long live freedom!

    • Aesop

      Freedom to force people from their homes on a massive scale?

      • Tore_Hund

        Socialists are normally very happy to tell everyone who disagrees with their violently forced system to leave. Where is your criticism of that? Can you give me a link please?

        • Aesop

          I’ve never voted socialist ever.

          • Tore_Hund

            I neither claimed you had, or asked for the information you chose to provide. Reading and understanding before replying is normally a sound strategy.

        • marik

          Im just curious, was the “socialism” of social democracy in Europe, (one of the the best examples of which is Norway), a violently imposed system? And when have they forced people to leave on a massive scale?

          • Tore_Hund

            Yes, it was violently imposed, by the dictatorship of the majority, and it is upheld in the same manner with continued threats of violence towards those who do not obey. Being a majority does not give the moral right to force others into slavery, which is done to all who are forced to pay tax for “services” they do not want.
            I did not write that anyone had forced people to leave on a massive scale, read what I wrote.

      • MProblem

        Ironic because Fjordman was forced from HIS home.

        • Aesop

          What goes around comes around? Seriously, he moved because he feared retribution, after having been the no 1. inspiration of Breivik. He did not move very far though. Denmark is as close to Norway as you can get.

          • Tore_Hund

            Show me ONE person who has been displaced from his home country by the opinions of Fjordman. If you can not, nothing “goes around”, it goes one way. Why should he not go to Denmark, it was the closest to home he felt he could be safe. A very natural choice I would say.

          • Aesop

            Your argument is invalid. Fjordman has not succeded in getting his ideas implemented democratically, which I belive is why he is so negative towards democracy.

  • Ingeborgborg

    Public enemies doesn’t get granted 75,000,-, Jensen..

    • aNorwegian

      He just did. Please use facts and logic next time you try to reach a conclusion.

      I am pretty sure you are completely clueless about Islam. Please tell me if you find anything disturbing in Sahih al-Bukhari.

      • Aesop

        Are you talking about what some paint brushed guy did 1400 years ago back in Arabia? I’ve read it, so please tell me why that in anyway justifies ethnic cleansing, as poor little Fjordie talks of?

        • aNorwegian

          I don’t believe you for a second. My edition is printed in Saudi Arabia. What about yours?

          If Europe gets millions of fanatic Muslims that adhere to a violent salafist version of Islam, then we must get these individuals out of Europe. OK, now you can start to whine and bitch how I am also calling for ethnic cleansing, just like Fjordman.

          Your incoherent rant and rambling indicates that you are most probably running Norway’s largest meth lab. Go get some sleep, you fanatic multicultural fool.

          • Aesop

            Salafism is as ugly as nazisms and Stalin-esque communism, don’t get me wrong. Still I see Fjordman as a Norwegian Qaradawi equivalent. He speaks the same tounge. I mean, reducing immigration is something very mainstream, but what he writes of. As Breivik put it, it is obvious to anybody. He is pretty explicit. So if you want to defend someone, at least pick someone who is not calling for mass scale deportations, violence against politicians and genetic superiority of Europeans.

          • aNorwegian

            Listen, you really need to wise up your cognitive faculties. Doing a thorough academic analysis and show different outcomes under various scenarios is NOT the same as condoning and promoting them.

            I believe that Europe is heading for a civil war, the most barbaric the world has ever seen, unless something radical is done pretty soon. I can give you tons of empirical data that I use in this analysis. This does not, however mean that I CALL FOR a civil war. Same with Fjordman.

            Fjordman is merely quoting peer reviewed science papers that show statistically significant differences between various groups. So tell me, do you hate science, reality or both?

          • Aesop

            No, he doesn’t. That is not to say that genetic differences don’t excist (as Europeans that should make us worried as we are not the smartest) or that the risk of conflict following large immigration is real, but Fjordman comes with so much more crap, and you need to see things more clearly. He mixes stuff and he has an agenda. It is very ugly.

    • defcon 4

      Isn’t he living in exile from your fine, islamo-fascist state mindless one?

      • Martin Knutsen

        Nah, he chose to run away. He has been invited to several TV debates and interviews, but refuses. Same with Bruce Bawer.

        • Aesop

          Yes, it’s cowardly of them. They are already public figures, but to meet someone in a debate, eye to eye, they won’t. Perhaps they fear that they will fall as flat as Anfindsen did as an “expert witness” a year ago.

          • Tore_Hund

            You are “debating” the “right” view under a pseudonym. Fjordman went to the police himself while they did not even know they wanted to talk to him. Who is the coward? Anfindsen did his best to really explain his angle on the existing problems, as a result he was sacked from his job. There is no debate around multiculturalism in Norway at this point in time, there is only those who are “right” whack-a-mole’ing those who are “wrong”. Just move along, nothing to see, nothing to be proud of here.

          • Aesop

            Fjordman knew it was only a matter of time. Anfindsen is not really honest, I feel. He is very sneaky and both he and Fjordman wants to have this race-divided, pseudo-genetic society. They both never, ever go for the easy and civilized way to solve a problem. It is always something extreme.

          • Tore_Hund

            Your claim, which I responded to, was that they are cowards. Your subjective opinions and personal beliefs presented in your follow-up does not do anything to strengthen your claim. They do a lot to illustrate how shallow your perceptional skills are..

        • Aesop

          And run away to Denmark as well. The same country that ruled us for 400 years, with whom we share more than possibly any country in the world (with Sweden being the only possible exception). Doesn’t sound like a political refugee to me.

        • FalkoBaumgartner

          The kind of “debates” where one conservative is put up against four multiculturalists and the moderator is partisan? Luckily, we have now the Internet so that no wise person wastes time with these pseudo-discussions anymore. Fjordman should come to Germany where Sarrazin has recently sold 1.3 million copies of his anti-immigrationist book to show where the real majority lies – it is not in the state-controlled media.

  • Skara Jae

    “A man who clearly despises our society and our values is
    applying for money to be able to continue denigrating this society.” -
    What about the immigrants denigrating Norwegian society daily at the expense of
    the taxpayers? Kind of a hypocritical argument. At least Fritt Ord get to chose
    how to spend their money, the local taxpayers didn’t get to chose to spend
    their money on some of the scum that live off the welfare system.

”This
    money he will get, because we as a society are confident that we can meet this
    hate speech in an open terrain.” – Then by this logic, I guess the
    taxpayers have the right to freely and openly criticise immigration and Muslim
    hate-culture, since our money pays for and enables it within our society… Or
    is that racism? I forget; the powers that be keep changing the goalposts…

  • HolyCow

    Fjordman describes a typical, public “debate” in a country where everybody reasons within the same frame of mind. Disagreement – as far as it goes – amounts to “YES, I prefer my egg boiled” or “NO, I want my egg poached”.

    For a returning expat, it’s simply mind-bogging.

    • Aesop

      Cows and eggs… I think Fjordman once wrote that he though (us) Norwegians due to our genes would be superior goat herders, if we chose to.

    • Aesop

      To me Fjordman is nothing but a little narcissist who is afraid to show up in public debates. In stead, he constructs his own little world, with the help of fawning angry fools, who don’t have enough moral and intellectual backbone to see through him.

      • Tore_Hund

        The only narcissist here is the one commenting with known untruthful statements. Not so much fun to peddle your lies on document.no anymore, where you get called out on them every time?

        • Aesop

          Not really, cause document.no har fallen into a pit. 90 % support Fjordman and you can have people talk about cities being free of “berikere” and of repatriation. It has become extreme and ugly.

          • Tore_Hund

            So, you are telling me that because there are people you do not agree with there, it is not so much fun to peddle your lies there anymore? Yes, that sounds about right.
            So let us see if i understand you correctly: it should be forbidden to discuss demographic changes in a society? It should be forbidden to discuss possible or likely outcomes of those changes? And it should be forbidden to discuss different ways to change the trends, and how to overcome them in the most extreme cases? Your logic is exactly like Quisling’s, he felt it necessary to forbid free discussion as well. What is extreme and ugly is all the people who will give up freedom for safety, and who tries to force their choice down the throats of others.

          • Aesop

            Again, your rhetoric misses the mark, and I suspect that it is on purpose. “It is forbidden to discuss possible outcomes?” implies that that is what he is doing. I would argue that when he talks of physical removal of all muslims and of a culture that follows genes, we are talking about something very close to nazism, and not of just some concerned citizen.

  • carllexow

    Norwegian quasi-intellectuals and empty minded politicians are indeed a sorry and depraved lot – not because they are mostly socialists – but because they don’t have the guts to face the threats from islamists to “behead those who disrespect our prophet” which we all know will ruin our societies. Instead, they use their energy to criticize one of the few people who actually come up with a solution to deal with the problem. As a Norwegian, I fully support Fjordman, and admire his coolness under the heavy pressure he is now subject to from intellectual dwarfs.

    • Aesop

      I stopped reading after half of your first sentance. It’s just a long, rant, with little logic and as for Fjordman, he is hardly an intellectual giant. He consistantly fits the facts to his conclusions, something no self respecting scientist ever would do.

      • carllexow

        Gosh – I’m sorry, Aesop, if you feel offended by my impertinent and illogical support to Fjordman. It obviously must have hurt you badly. But since you don’t even have the guts to comment yourself under you own name, I cannot say wether you’re a quasi or nazi or whatever. But most probably,people who can judge others after reading only half-a-sentence, must be either a full-blooded scientist or a charlatan. In your case, I settle for the latter since you’re a fable-teller. By the way, after reading all your other comments on this topic, please remember the good doctor’s advice to stay off the booze, at least when you go public.

  • KafirFar

    Strangely enough, the political correct in Norway speaks about “words that kills”, when commenting Fjordmann. The same people is blind to the words in the Koran and its many murderous followers. Actually, they write long articles in the newspapers in defence for the religion of peace instead.
    The world has truly gone mad!

    • Aesop

      Please, don’t be silly, KafirDaddy, becayse newspapers are full of stuff regarding the muslim world every day. I bet you read them, then post comments in places like this, saying things like you just did, that nothing ever gets written…

      • KafirFar

        Only fragments reach the newspapers and the only told by a leftwing journalist.

        • Aesop

          There are currently few stories on the frontpage of VG.no, relating to immigration or the muslim world. One is a big knife fight in Oslo, one is about a Syrian beheaing. There is pakistani car bomb. Riots in Egypt. Then there is one about Tommy Sharif, which is more neutral. How do you want the front page to look? How many stories do you want to read, everyday?

          • Tore_Hund

            It should mention the possibility, the elephant in the room, that some of it might be connected with Islam.

        • Aesop

          Sorry about the typos.

        • Aesop

          There are currently a few stories on the frontpage of VG.no, relating to immigration or the muslim world. One is a about big knife fight in Oslo, one is about a Syrian beheaing, then there is a pakistani car bomb and Riots in Egypt. Only one is more neutral to positive; the one featutring Tommy Sharif. How do you want the front page to look? How many stories do you want to read, everyday?

          • KafirFar

            I only want to read the truth and how little the muslims enrich our western way of living. Afterall, years of indoctrination by politicians and media have taken its toll.
            If it wasn’t for Internet, the newspapers and media would still produce propaganda hiding the truth as per agreement/suggestions forwarded by Gro Harlem Brundtland (Stortingsmld 81) encouraging the media to hide bad news about immigants.

          • Aesop

            Well, I know quite a few muslims (broadly defined) who enrich my life, even if I also see the bigger problems immigration causes. That’s why I want less immmigration (as do many of them, BTW), but I am never going to join your hate train.

          • KafirFar

            They might enrich YOUR life, but to claim they enrich Norway is another story.
            Btw, the hatetrain is generally run by the muslims themselves. You obviously find them on front of the newspapers every day (And that is only the tip of the iceberg)

          • Aesop

            They’re normal, decent people. Engineers mostly. Non to happy about Erdogan, the Brotherhood or the corrupt ayatollahs of Iran. Yet you make them all out to be Muhammed reincarnated at his very worst. I frankly think you should take a good look at yourself first.

          • Tore_Hund

            When they let their own daughters marry normal Norwegian men of whatever ethnic origin, they will be normal decent people. Until that is the normal situation, they are fooling you. I am still waiting for you to document your claim on document.no, or admit that you lied, which would be the honest thing to do.

          • Aesop

            I know quite a few muslim women who have married Norwegian men.

          • Tore_Hund

            So what? That does not in any way address the rather serious issue of repression raised above. To point out that anecdotal exceptions exists does not in any way reduce the importance of the presented pattern. You are using a common rhetoric trick to try to deflect the issue without being forced to consider its importance or merits.

          • KafirFar

            Do you really think your friends is representative for the average muslim in the western world? Who is brainwashed?

          • Aesop

            …selbst die Gøtter vergebens.

          • Buddy Ogilvy

            I think you meant Stortingsmelding 74-1979/80.

          • KafirFar

            It could be. Brundtland also issued a detailed list sent to newspapers strongly suggestion what to write and what not to write about our new countrymen.

          • Aesop

            You sound pretty brainwashed yourself and BTW, I’ve probably written 10 000 posts against the current immigration, so I am not that left sided. I spent quite a bit of time at document.no before I realized that it blackened my mind. Still, even then, I never supported Fjordman, who is beyond the pale. Seriously, get out of the dark pit you’re in and meet some normal people.

  • http://document.no Marit

    Thank you, Fjordman ! You have many more supporters than you know of !

    • Aesop

      Nasjonal Samling would have loved him.

      • Bipedal_Primate

        I doubt it. Fjordman is half Jewish.

        • Aesop

          Hardly. He is from Ålesund. There are few Jews there.

          • Bipedal_Primate

            Is Ålesund a very special kind of place where few equals none? That’s news to me, but I’ll be sure to check out this strange and physics-defying phenomenon the next time I’m there. Here’s a picture of Fjordman’s father:

            http://chechar.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/fjs-dad.jpg

  • Martin Knutsen

    Meanwhile, here in Norway we are eagerly awaiting details for how Fjordman visualizes throwing out all the muslims from our country. His practical plans for deporting about 3% of the norwegian population would be really interesting to see.

    • FalkoBaumgartner

      Perhaps by just emulgating the Norwegian government and its methods? As of today, Norway is still throwing Muslim people INTO its country without asking its people. Fjordman could hardly be less democratic, could he?

  • Aesop

    I am offended by your support of our modern day Goebbels, yes, and I am perfectly sober. Have been with regards to Fjordman for a long time, and more so after Breivik’s 2011 publicity action, which is what he called it.

    • carllexow

      Fine. I’m glad you’re offended. That give me great pleasure, but I think we shall now put an end to this conversation. You must surely be out of your mind when you’re comparing Fjordman – and myself for that matter – with Goebbels, just because Fjordman wants to put an end to islamists pouring into Europe to destroy our societies. I don’t as a principle debate with anonymous people who clearly have lost their touch with the real world and behave like uncivilized idiots. You even had the nerve to mention below in your answer to the nick “Marit”, that Nasjonal Samling – the political party of the traitor Vidkun Quisling who welcomed the Germans to Norway in 1940, would have loved to receive Fjordman, As far as I can judge him, he stands for exactly the opposite. Fortunately, we all know who are the modern quislings in Norway, and we shan’t forget it. You can bet on that. People are neither racists nor nazis just because the don’t agree with you. I think, however, in the meantime, that you owe Fjordman an apology for your stupid and monstrous remark.

      • Aesop

        Swap muslims for jews, and cultural marxist for cultural bolsheviks and you’re there. Even the Nazis didn’t speak of extermitating Jews, but of expulsion, before they landed on the Final Solution. Fjordman is of the same ilk.

        • Tore_Hund

          You still have not backed up your claims, on document.no or any other places where you have been asked to do so. That makes you a plain old fashioned liar. Your claims about what Fjordman has written are false, and you can not back them up. Still you go on making them on new sites and in different languages, as if nobody called you out on them. That makes you a straight faced yellow liar. You are a basically dishonest person, intellectually and otherwise, and I hope you will be called out as such in your real life one day.

          • Aesop

            Read Enebakk and teach your self basic logic.

          • Tore_Hund

            Why would I waste time on a state financed lefty who’s contribution in society is to help spread Saudi sponsored propaganda?
            If you want to criticize my logic, a logical approach would be to show where the claimed flaws appears.

  • marik

    What I’ve seen from this whole neofacist debate going on is that the conservatives dont have kids themselves despite their constant raging at the low birthrate and blaming everyone they dont like, be they (supposed) marxists, feminists or the welfare state, for causing this. And whats more, they hate the people that do have kids. I mean you live in a welfare state, one of the finest in the world. Whats stopping you from having six children? If people from the Africa and the Middle East can do it then why can you? Instead being snobbish towards them, follow their lead. Put your money where your mouth is. If you’re conservative then prove it by growing a beard and having a big family.