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	<title>Comments on: Six Alinsky Rules That Explain Obama’s Words and Deeds</title>
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		<title>By: Scissorhands</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2014 16:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Saul Alinsky:
Change is brought about through relentless agitation and “trouble making” of a kind that radically disrupts society as it is.  

Since both the middle and upper classes have none of the organizer’s passion for radical change, he must do his best to “stir up dissatisfaction and discontent [.]” He must “agitate to the point of conflict.” The organizer “dramatizes…injustices” and engages in “‘trouble making’ by stirring up” just those “angers, frustrations, and resentments” that will eventuate in the “disorganization of the old and organization of the new”. He is determined to give rise to as much “confusion” and “fear” as possible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saul Alinsky:<br />
Change is brought about through relentless agitation and “trouble making” of a kind that radically disrupts society as it is.  </p>
<p>Since both the middle and upper classes have none of the organizer’s passion for radical change, he must do his best to “stir up dissatisfaction and discontent [.]” He must “agitate to the point of conflict.” The organizer “dramatizes…injustices” and engages in “‘trouble making’ by stirring up” just those “angers, frustrations, and resentments” that will eventuate in the “disorganization of the old and organization of the new”. He is determined to give rise to as much “confusion” and “fear” as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He&#039;s (Obama) is only using Alinski&#039;s rules as a method of control... with some tweaking as needed for the political theater....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s (Obama) is only using Alinski&#8217;s rules as a method of control&#8230; with some tweaking as needed for the political theater&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2014 00:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you answered that quite well there LT. Don&#039;t where so many get their education nowadays.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you answered that quite well there LT. Don&#8217;t where so many get their education nowadays.</p>
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		<title>By: Maphesdus</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maphesdus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2014 23:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Democrats may have a majority in Congress, but Republicans control the Senate, which is where the major decisions are actually made. And when it comes to people complaining about the bailing out of banks and corrupt corporations, that&#039;s actually a bi-partisan issue. I&#039;ve even seen members of the Tea Party complain about that.

And where in the Bible does it say not to give charity to people who won&#039;t work? Cite a verse please, because I&#039;ve read the Bible, and I don&#039;t remember it saying that anywhere. In fact, the Bible clearly says that the most important law is to love thy neighbor as thyself. It says nothing about illegal immigration, but rather that all people are children of God. Your misinterpretation of the Bible is the exact opposite of what it really said.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democrats may have a majority in Congress, but Republicans control the Senate, which is where the major decisions are actually made. And when it comes to people complaining about the bailing out of banks and corrupt corporations, that&#8217;s actually a bi-partisan issue. I&#8217;ve even seen members of the Tea Party complain about that.</p>
<p>And where in the Bible does it say not to give charity to people who won&#8217;t work? Cite a verse please, because I&#8217;ve read the Bible, and I don&#8217;t remember it saying that anywhere. In fact, the Bible clearly says that the most important law is to love thy neighbor as thyself. It says nothing about illegal immigration, but rather that all people are children of God. Your misinterpretation of the Bible is the exact opposite of what it really said.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2014 11:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, we have a President that was trained as a community organizer which is why he is a failure as a president. I don&#039;t know about right wing invention. How about the left complaining about taxes bailing out Corps and unfunded wars? That&#039;s all about the left wing. But they forget that the Dems had control of Congress when the Corp&#039;s were being bailed out and LBJ&#039;s unfunded war where they took SS funds to try to help pay for it. But the Constitution plainly states what is the proper role of government which is where the taxes should be spent. And it is not to give to people who WILL NOT work, which the Bible says is a sin, or illegal immigrants, or for taking of an innocent human life. Again I say, the Bible does not say to  pay from the point of a weapon but from your heart.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we have a President that was trained as a community organizer which is why he is a failure as a president. I don&#8217;t know about right wing invention. How about the left complaining about taxes bailing out Corps and unfunded wars? That&#8217;s all about the left wing. But they forget that the Dems had control of Congress when the Corp&#8217;s were being bailed out and LBJ&#8217;s unfunded war where they took SS funds to try to help pay for it. But the Constitution plainly states what is the proper role of government which is where the taxes should be spent. And it is not to give to people who WILL NOT work, which the Bible says is a sin, or illegal immigrants, or for taking of an innocent human life. Again I say, the Bible does not say to  pay from the point of a weapon but from your heart.</p>
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		<title>By: Maphesdus</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maphesdus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2014 16:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alinsky&#039;s &quot;rules&quot; were really intended more for union leaders and community organizers. They don&#039;t really work for politicians. And the Bible never says there&#039;s anything wrong with taxation. In fact when the Pharisees asked Christ whether or not it was proper to pay taxes, he simply said, &quot;Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar&#039;s, and unto God that which is God&#039;s.&quot; This idea that taxation is theft is a modern right-wing invention, and has no basis in the teachings of the Bible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alinsky&#8217;s &#8220;rules&#8221; were really intended more for union leaders and community organizers. They don&#8217;t really work for politicians. And the Bible never says there&#8217;s anything wrong with taxation. In fact when the Pharisees asked Christ whether or not it was proper to pay taxes, he simply said, &#8220;Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar&#8217;s, and unto God that which is God&#8217;s.&#8221; This idea that taxation is theft is a modern right-wing invention, and has no basis in the teachings of the Bible.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2014 17:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you think Obama and Clinton are not a follower of these rules you are not paying attention. Yes Alinsky is probably more radical than both but that does not mean they are not followers of him. Plus, a lot of people think are into new age Christian thinking that we should go out and take money from working people by force and give it to people who will not work for it. But I have asked and none can tell me where in the bible does it say to forcefully take things away from one and give it to another. The Book says give from your heart, not from the point of a weapon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you think Obama and Clinton are not a follower of these rules you are not paying attention. Yes Alinsky is probably more radical than both but that does not mean they are not followers of him. Plus, a lot of people think are into new age Christian thinking that we should go out and take money from working people by force and give it to people who will not work for it. But I have asked and none can tell me where in the bible does it say to forcefully take things away from one and give it to another. The Book says give from your heart, not from the point of a weapon.</p>
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		<title>By: nonofmybiznez</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nonofmybiznez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2014 22:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, we know that Hillary is a follower of Alinsky. She based her thesis on him. http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2013/04/hillary-clintons-1969-thesis-on-saul.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we know that Hillary is a follower of Alinsky. She based her thesis on him. <a href="http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2013/04/hillary-clintons-1969-thesis-on-saul.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2013/04/hillary-clintons-1969-thesis-on-saul.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: wsurfs .</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wsurfs .]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2014 20:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First of all,    I AM NOT THE ONE CREATING DIVISIONS AMONG THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA...PAL....THAT OBVIOUSLY IS YOUR JOB AND MISSION...!!!!  SINCE DAY ONE, YOUR SO-CALLED &quot;president&quot;  has been and continues to be the DIVIDER-IN-CHIEF....THAT IS A FACT....!!    Also, I am not a guy....!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all,    I AM NOT THE ONE CREATING DIVISIONS AMONG THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA&#8230;PAL&#8230;.THAT OBVIOUSLY IS YOUR JOB AND MISSION&#8230;!!!!  SINCE DAY ONE, YOUR SO-CALLED &#8220;president&#8221;  has been and continues to be the DIVIDER-IN-CHIEF&#8230;.THAT IS A FACT&#8230;.!!    Also, I am not a guy&#8230;.!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Shoemaker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick Shoemaker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2014 19:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[... Says the guy who is dividing us as he complains about the President dividing us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; Says the guy who is dividing us as he complains about the President dividing us.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Shoemaker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick Shoemaker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2014 19:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These &#039;rules for radicals&#039; look like the rules that Karl Rove and the right-wing propaganda machine lives by.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These &#8216;rules for radicals&#8217; look like the rules that Karl Rove and the right-wing propaganda machine lives by.</p>
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		<title>By: pointdan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pointdan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2014 16:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Soooo the first so called black president just happens to be a closet gay, muslim marxist !??? And he gets 90% of the black vote and 88% of the jewish vote. 
Well done America . . . enjoy your food stamps !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Soooo the first so called black president just happens to be a closet gay, muslim marxist !??? And he gets 90% of the black vote and 88% of the jewish vote.<br />
Well done America . . . enjoy your food stamps !</p>
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		<title>By: wsurfs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wsurfs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2014 01:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great idea.!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea.!!</p>
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		<title>By: wsurfs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wsurfs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2014 01:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately, ttechsan, much of the media has the SAME agenda as Obama..!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, ttechsan, much of the media has the SAME agenda as Obama..!</p>
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		<title>By: wsurfs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wsurfs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2014 01:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WHY Joe?  BECAUSE then Obama the EVIL will have ALL the control...We cannot let this happen...WE are Americans...United we Stand, Divided we FALL..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHY Joe?  BECAUSE then Obama the EVIL will have ALL the control&#8230;We cannot let this happen&#8230;WE are Americans&#8230;United we Stand, Divided we FALL..</p>
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		<title>By: wsurfs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wsurfs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2014 01:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, metanoia...we are being manipulated by Obama the EVIL agitator....!  We must remember that we are Americans first, last and always.  United we STAND, Divided we FALL...!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, metanoia&#8230;we are being manipulated by Obama the EVIL agitator&#8230;.!  We must remember that we are Americans first, last and always.  United we STAND, Divided we FALL&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: wsurfs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wsurfs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2014 01:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It all makes sense now, people...We are being manipulated  by Obama the EVIL Agitator.   The thing we cannot ever allow to happen is that Obama makes us forget we are Americans...Obama wants us to forget that and be divided.  Obama appears so detached, but guess what?  Obama the Evil&#039;s agenda is right on schedule...he is trying to divide us...we cannot let that happen....United we STAND ....Divided we FALL..!!  Remember that...!!  I intend to do the same..!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It all makes sense now, people&#8230;We are being manipulated  by Obama the EVIL Agitator.   The thing we cannot ever allow to happen is that Obama makes us forget we are Americans&#8230;Obama wants us to forget that and be divided.  Obama appears so detached, but guess what?  Obama the Evil&#8217;s agenda is right on schedule&#8230;he is trying to divide us&#8230;we cannot let that happen&#8230;.United we STAND &#8230;.Divided we FALL..!!  Remember that&#8230;!!  I intend to do the same..!</p>
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		<title>By: metanoia</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[metanoia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2014 15:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This administration is a virtual Pied Piper leading the sheeple over a cliff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This administration is a virtual Pied Piper leading the sheeple over a cliff.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2014 16:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alinsky was out to empower the have-nots.  Obama uses his strategy to divide we the people, and advocates on behalf of illegals (a minority), homosexuals (a minority), Muslims (a minority in this country), the poor and uninsured (a minority) and other minorities.  Is that what he&#039;s all about in his community organizing of America, or is he pursuing a hidden agenda masquerading as a champion for minorities?  Why is he working so hard to divide us with gun control, socialized medicine, gay rights, etc?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alinsky was out to empower the have-nots.  Obama uses his strategy to divide we the people, and advocates on behalf of illegals (a minority), homosexuals (a minority), Muslims (a minority in this country), the poor and uninsured (a minority) and other minorities.  Is that what he&#8217;s all about in his community organizing of America, or is he pursuing a hidden agenda masquerading as a champion for minorities?  Why is he working so hard to divide us with gun control, socialized medicine, gay rights, etc?</p>
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		<title>By: Freespirit</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Freespirit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2014 17:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The term I use is &quot;DIVIDE and RULE&quot; and I don&#039;t believe Saul Alinsky invented it.

Psychopaths and Tyrants have used the tactic for centuries to CONTROL the people]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term I use is &#8220;DIVIDE and RULE&#8221; and I don&#8217;t believe Saul Alinsky invented it.</p>
<p>Psychopaths and Tyrants have used the tactic for centuries to CONTROL the people</p>
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