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	<title>Comments on: Columbus Day: Still a Day Worth Celebrating</title>
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		<title>By: Joe Stack</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Stack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Nov 2013 15:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...So where does the author actually rebut anything that is being said about Columbus?


Also, his strange comments about judging the past through the lens of the present applies to ANY historiography, not just those labeled &quot;leftist&quot;. 


Sounds like a sad attempt to pull the race card about a man accused of racism. No, it&#039;s not that Columbus might have actually done something wrong, it&#039;s that everyone hates white people for the hell of it. 0/5 stars, next time try making an argument if you want to defend someone instead of just playing the victim.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;So where does the author actually rebut anything that is being said about Columbus?</p>
<p>Also, his strange comments about judging the past through the lens of the present applies to ANY historiography, not just those labeled &#8220;leftist&#8221;. </p>
<p>Sounds like a sad attempt to pull the race card about a man accused of racism. No, it&#8217;s not that Columbus might have actually done something wrong, it&#8217;s that everyone hates white people for the hell of it. 0/5 stars, next time try making an argument if you want to defend someone instead of just playing the victim.</p>
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		<title>By: Father Dacius</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Father Dacius]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Oct 2013 08:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My small meager replies must really get to you since you make a point of offering a long refutation. I lament for you that you have shut out out your awareness of a sense of the Divine. Mine has sustained me through war and official oppression for most of my long life. I will keep you in my prayers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My small meager replies must really get to you since you make a point of offering a long refutation. I lament for you that you have shut out out your awareness of a sense of the Divine. Mine has sustained me through war and official oppression for most of my long life. I will keep you in my prayers.</p>
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		<title>By: Cold_Drake_80</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cold_Drake_80]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Oct 2013 05:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can keep this up all day:

Okay, since you clearly didn&#039;t read what I wrote here it is again:

&quot;I didn&#039;t dismiss 1491 instead I wrote: &quot; Books like 1491 may correct
that lack of thought but it&#039;s going to take a long time and will only
ever be partially done.&quot;
In other words such books could do real good
but it will take time and probably never fully address all the
misconceptions. You aren&#039;t much of a reader are you?&quot;

See, the way this works is I comment on what you posted then you actually read what I posted and comment on that. So you have to sit down, read what I&#039;ve posted, actually THINK for once, then post comments based on WHAT I WROTE. I know this isn&#039;t as easy as just FPMing away but you actually have to try.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can keep this up all day:</p>
<p>Okay, since you clearly didn&#8217;t read what I wrote here it is again:</p>
<p>&#8220;I didn&#8217;t dismiss 1491 instead I wrote: &#8221; Books like 1491 may correct<br />
that lack of thought but it&#8217;s going to take a long time and will only<br />
ever be partially done.&#8221;<br />
In other words such books could do real good<br />
but it will take time and probably never fully address all the<br />
misconceptions. You aren&#8217;t much of a reader are you?&#8221;</p>
<p>See, the way this works is I comment on what you posted then you actually read what I posted and comment on that. So you have to sit down, read what I&#8217;ve posted, actually THINK for once, then post comments based on WHAT I WROTE. I know this isn&#8217;t as easy as just FPMing away but you actually have to try.</p>
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		<title>By: glennd1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[glennd1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Oct 2013 00:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have you read 1491? Or is smarmy word parsing and facile rhetoric all you&#039;ve got? You see, I don&#039;t want to argue with someone who characterizes things they know nothing about. You have no idea what&#039;s in 1491, hence you cannot comment on it. Or does that basic rationale evade you? Stop trying to win minor points, it&#039;s pathetic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you read 1491? Or is smarmy word parsing and facile rhetoric all you&#8217;ve got? You see, I don&#8217;t want to argue with someone who characterizes things they know nothing about. You have no idea what&#8217;s in 1491, hence you cannot comment on it. Or does that basic rationale evade you? Stop trying to win minor points, it&#8217;s pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: glennd1</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/jack-kerwick/columbus-day-still-a-day-worth-celebrating/comment-page-1/#comment-5295669</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[glennd1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Oct 2013 00:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You also haven&#039;t bothered to try and counter a single fact that I&#039;ve cited here. Why is that? Do you think you can get by on bromides and tropes? Do you really not see how vapid your commentary here has been? You have nothing but your declarations. Here&#039;s some insight for you that you should really take it to heart. Your &quot;faith&quot; or &quot;belief&quot; adds no weight to your claims. It&#039;s not evidence, nor is it reason. You keep stating things presumptively, but don&#039;t actually argue in a real sense at all. It&#039;s quite sad. I bet you think you are smart, sigh...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You also haven&#8217;t bothered to try and counter a single fact that I&#8217;ve cited here. Why is that? Do you think you can get by on bromides and tropes? Do you really not see how vapid your commentary here has been? You have nothing but your declarations. Here&#8217;s some insight for you that you should really take it to heart. Your &#8220;faith&#8221; or &#8220;belief&#8221; adds no weight to your claims. It&#8217;s not evidence, nor is it reason. You keep stating things presumptively, but don&#8217;t actually argue in a real sense at all. It&#8217;s quite sad. I bet you think you are smart, sigh&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: $1420579</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[$1420579]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Oct 2013 00:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And if you actually pull your head out of your backside, you would notice that men take away other&#039;s rights all the time. it&#039;s also true that our rights are protected by men - police, judges, courts, laws. God seems rather like an absentee landlord on this, and all counts really. But hey, keep up your arrogant babble. 


Do you have any idea how absurd you sound to a thoughtful, knowledgeable person? And answer this. Why did the Declaration use the word &quot;Creator&quot; rather than &quot;God?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if you actually pull your head out of your backside, you would notice that men take away other&#8217;s rights all the time. it&#8217;s also true that our rights are protected by men &#8211; police, judges, courts, laws. God seems rather like an absentee landlord on this, and all counts really. But hey, keep up your arrogant babble. </p>
<p>Do you have any idea how absurd you sound to a thoughtful, knowledgeable person? And answer this. Why did the Declaration use the word &#8220;Creator&#8221; rather than &#8220;God?</p>
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		<title>By: Marisha Erickson</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/jack-kerwick/columbus-day-still-a-day-worth-celebrating/comment-page-1/#comment-5295451</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marisha Erickson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 18:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is this a joke?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this a joke?</p>
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		<title>By: Cold_Drake_80</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/jack-kerwick/columbus-day-still-a-day-worth-celebrating/comment-page-1/#comment-5295414</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cold_Drake_80]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 17:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, since you clearly didn&#039;t read what I wrote here it is again:

&quot;I didn&#039;t dismiss 1491 instead I wrote: &quot; Books like 1491 may correct 
that lack of thought but it&#039;s going to take a long time and will only 
ever be partially done.&quot;
In other words such books could do real good
 but it will take time and probably never fully address all the 
misconceptions. You aren&#039;t much of a reader are you?&quot;


See, the way this works is I comment on what you posted then you actually read what I posted and comment on that. So you have to sit down, read what I&#039;ve posted, actually THINK for once, then post comments based on WHAT I WROTE. I know this isn&#039;t as easy as just FPMing away but you actually have to try.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, since you clearly didn&#8217;t read what I wrote here it is again:</p>
<p>&#8220;I didn&#8217;t dismiss 1491 instead I wrote: &#8221; Books like 1491 may correct<br />
that lack of thought but it&#8217;s going to take a long time and will only<br />
ever be partially done.&#8221;<br />
In other words such books could do real good<br />
 but it will take time and probably never fully address all the<br />
misconceptions. You aren&#8217;t much of a reader are you?&#8221;</p>
<p>See, the way this works is I comment on what you posted then you actually read what I posted and comment on that. So you have to sit down, read what I&#8217;ve posted, actually THINK for once, then post comments based on WHAT I WROTE. I know this isn&#8217;t as easy as just FPMing away but you actually have to try.</p>
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		<title>By: Father Dacius</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/jack-kerwick/columbus-day-still-a-day-worth-celebrating/comment-page-1/#comment-5295068</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Father Dacius]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 04:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you believe that our rights are established by men, then it is just as easy for men to take them away.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you believe that our rights are established by men, then it is just as easy for men to take them away.</p>
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		<title>By: glennd1</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/jack-kerwick/columbus-day-still-a-day-worth-celebrating/comment-page-1/#comment-5294978</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[glennd1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 00:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have you read 1491?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you read 1491?</p>
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		<title>By: glennd1</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/jack-kerwick/columbus-day-still-a-day-worth-celebrating/comment-page-1/#comment-5294975</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[glennd1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 00:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder, do you even realize how arrogant and fact free your response was to me? First of all, we were discussing morality, not the rights of man - but you just decided to change the subject to the next stupid thing you believe. 


I&#039;m very familiar with your line of &#039;reasoning&#039; but here&#039;s the problem with that view. There isn&#039;t a shred of proof that God exists ot that Christianity is &quot;right&quot; - so, from a very basic perspective you view is speculative, not factual. Beyond those basics, there is absolutely no proof that God gave us our rights. None. Zip. Nada. You can say as many times as you want - but that doesn&#039;t make it any more true.


You are welcome to believe a bunch of nonsense, but you are not welcome to present it as &quot;truth&quot; without an offer of evidence. Our rights only exist because MAN declared we had them. and MAN created govts and laws that enforce them. 


So, please do the entire sentient world a favor and shut the eff up. It&#039;s the 21st century and it&#039;s time for the adult-children among us who insist in believing in their Daddy in the sky to to grow up, you sad, deluded putz.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder, do you even realize how arrogant and fact free your response was to me? First of all, we were discussing morality, not the rights of man &#8211; but you just decided to change the subject to the next stupid thing you believe. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m very familiar with your line of &#8216;reasoning&#8217; but here&#8217;s the problem with that view. There isn&#8217;t a shred of proof that God exists ot that Christianity is &#8220;right&#8221; &#8211; so, from a very basic perspective you view is speculative, not factual. Beyond those basics, there is absolutely no proof that God gave us our rights. None. Zip. Nada. You can say as many times as you want &#8211; but that doesn&#8217;t make it any more true.</p>
<p>You are welcome to believe a bunch of nonsense, but you are not welcome to present it as &#8220;truth&#8221; without an offer of evidence. Our rights only exist because MAN declared we had them. and MAN created govts and laws that enforce them. </p>
<p>So, please do the entire sentient world a favor and shut the eff up. It&#8217;s the 21st century and it&#8217;s time for the adult-children among us who insist in believing in their Daddy in the sky to to grow up, you sad, deluded putz.</p>
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		<title>By: Cold_Drake_80</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/jack-kerwick/columbus-day-still-a-day-worth-celebrating/comment-page-1/#comment-5294685</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cold_Drake_80]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good riddance your jabbering was beyond annoying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good riddance your jabbering was beyond annoying.</p>
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		<title>By: ohyehbelievit</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/jack-kerwick/columbus-day-still-a-day-worth-celebrating/comment-page-1/#comment-5294505</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ohyehbelievit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Oct 2013 05:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Huh?  You make zero sense.  You are one dumb F.  I&#039;m done trying to educate you as I see you&#039;re brain dead.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh?  You make zero sense.  You are one dumb F.  I&#8217;m done trying to educate you as I see you&#8217;re brain dead.</p>
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		<title>By: Cold_Drake_80</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/jack-kerwick/columbus-day-still-a-day-worth-celebrating/comment-page-1/#comment-5294501</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cold_Drake_80]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Oct 2013 05:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, since silence is the FPM way of admitting you&#039;re wrong I accept your apology. Even if you still sicken me. You may go now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, since silence is the FPM way of admitting you&#8217;re wrong I accept your apology. Even if you still sicken me. You may go now.</p>
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		<title>By: Cold_Drake_80</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/jack-kerwick/columbus-day-still-a-day-worth-celebrating/comment-page-1/#comment-5294500</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cold_Drake_80]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Oct 2013 05:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You whine about claiming their is no excuse for the abuses by Europeans and then yammer on about everyone was engaged is slavery. Using excuses to minimize what was done by some by pointing at others. You can&#039;t even stick to party line for a full paragraph.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You whine about claiming their is no excuse for the abuses by Europeans and then yammer on about everyone was engaged is slavery. Using excuses to minimize what was done by some by pointing at others. You can&#8217;t even stick to party line for a full paragraph.</p>
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		<title>By: Father Dacius</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Father Dacius]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Oct 2013 02:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you Good Sir do not understand that the rights of man are established by and from God, and not from some secular document, subject to change, then You Sir, do not have a leg to stand on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you Good Sir do not understand that the rights of man are established by and from God, and not from some secular document, subject to change, then You Sir, do not have a leg to stand on.</p>
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		<title>By: ohyehbelievit</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ohyehbelievit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are an idiot.  There was no implication of fault and no excuse for any wrongs committed by Europeans in the statement.  Your imagination gets the best of you.  You my need to seek medical help.  Slavery was by no means exclusive to Europeans at the time.  In fact, if you knew anything about history, you&#039;d know that most, if not all, civilizations of the Americas and East (Islamic or otherwise) actively participated in human enslavement and trafficking.  You&#039;re obviously a troll that doesn&#039;t understand the difference between knowing a few facts and mastering a subject.  Also, please learn to read with a little comprehension.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are an idiot.  There was no implication of fault and no excuse for any wrongs committed by Europeans in the statement.  Your imagination gets the best of you.  You my need to seek medical help.  Slavery was by no means exclusive to Europeans at the time.  In fact, if you knew anything about history, you&#8217;d know that most, if not all, civilizations of the Americas and East (Islamic or otherwise) actively participated in human enslavement and trafficking.  You&#8217;re obviously a troll that doesn&#8217;t understand the difference between knowing a few facts and mastering a subject.  Also, please learn to read with a little comprehension.</p>
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		<title>By: Cold_Drake_80</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cold_Drake_80]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The implication was the ensuing genocide that occurred after the arrival of Europeans was the fault of Muslims. Which is idiotic or to put it another way very FPM. Was he hunting for a new trade route? Yes. Does that excuse his adoption of slavery as a means of supporting the colony he founded? No. Does anyone&#039;s effort to find a new trade route excuse the deaths of tens of millions? Not outside of the FPM circles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The implication was the ensuing genocide that occurred after the arrival of Europeans was the fault of Muslims. Which is idiotic or to put it another way very FPM. Was he hunting for a new trade route? Yes. Does that excuse his adoption of slavery as a means of supporting the colony he founded? No. Does anyone&#8217;s effort to find a new trade route excuse the deaths of tens of millions? Not outside of the FPM circles.</p>
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		<title>By: glennd1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[glennd1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nonsense. Morality predated &quot;faith&quot; and all monotheist religions. In fact, the basic morality that we accept in the West also arose in Asian, Mezo American and African societies without ever encountering Christianity. No matter what you say - that is simply true and a fact. You cannot escape it. 

What anthropologists who study such things find is that religions reflect the values of communities. Funny that you bring up Islam - much of Islam&#039;s &quot;morality&quot; inherits from Judeo-Christian morality, while adding many additional dogmas and beliefs. It&#039;s still wrong to kill an innocent, steal, lie, cheat on your wife in Islam. Don&#039;t get me wrong, I find Islamism despicable so in no way should my comment be seen as apologia for Islam.

Christianity was a vicious faith which inspired much violence for almost 2000 years. Only through massive &quot;reformation&quot; and &quot;reinterpretation&quot; did it eventually stopped motivating people to say pillage and burn Alexandria and kill Hypatia because she and the knowledge of the ancient Greeks and the Romans was considered Pagan. Or burning witches. Or The Inquisition. In fact, the suppression of ideas like those of Epicurus by Christian violence, expressed so profoundly in Lucretius&#039;s magnificent work, On the Nature of Things (De rerum natura) set back the advance of modernity, reason and science by a thousand years. Thomas Jefferson, in his final letter to John Adams, declared, &quot;I&#039;m an Epicurean&quot;.So, don&#039;t tell me about Christian morality - check your history, you don&#039;t have a leg to stand on.

Of course, you are welcome to your faith. Just keep it to yourself. Our liberty does not emanate from it - no matter what David Barton and Glenn Beck say. In fact, liberty comes from reason, not faith, if you actually study the epistemology of the ideas of our liberty and where they come from that is. Individual rights and liberty arose in opposition to the &#039;divine&#039; monarchic power, given to them by Christian religious leaders who claimed the authority to do so out of thin air.

 You may want to ponder the arrogance and ignorance you must possess to bleat about morality and the nature of the world in the way that you do. The funniest thing to me about modern, self-styled fundamentalist Christians is their epic lack of humility. Whether the vitriol of a Rick Santorum, or a Rick Perry political &quot;prayer rally&quot; or Sarah Palin&#039;s prayer warriors or Michelle Bachman&#039;s inane Dominionism, the hubris on display is epic an quite out of step with the &quot;they will know you by your works&quot; Catholicism I was raised with.

Are you done yet? If you continue in this vein, it will only get worse for your arguments because you don&#039;t have a leg to stand on. Keep it to yourself, and I&#039;ll keep my atheism to myself. And I&#039;m a very moral person by the way - I make good moral choices all the time without reflecting on God or religion. In fact, the morality of atheists has been studied and it turns out as a group that they act in ways that are more moral than the average person in the U.S. 

Wake up. Get a clue. Stop collapsing your politics with your faith.  Join the 21st century.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nonsense. Morality predated &#8220;faith&#8221; and all monotheist religions. In fact, the basic morality that we accept in the West also arose in Asian, Mezo American and African societies without ever encountering Christianity. No matter what you say &#8211; that is simply true and a fact. You cannot escape it. </p>
<p>What anthropologists who study such things find is that religions reflect the values of communities. Funny that you bring up Islam &#8211; much of Islam&#8217;s &#8220;morality&#8221; inherits from Judeo-Christian morality, while adding many additional dogmas and beliefs. It&#8217;s still wrong to kill an innocent, steal, lie, cheat on your wife in Islam. Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I find Islamism despicable so in no way should my comment be seen as apologia for Islam.</p>
<p>Christianity was a vicious faith which inspired much violence for almost 2000 years. Only through massive &#8220;reformation&#8221; and &#8220;reinterpretation&#8221; did it eventually stopped motivating people to say pillage and burn Alexandria and kill Hypatia because she and the knowledge of the ancient Greeks and the Romans was considered Pagan. Or burning witches. Or The Inquisition. In fact, the suppression of ideas like those of Epicurus by Christian violence, expressed so profoundly in Lucretius&#8217;s magnificent work, On the Nature of Things (De rerum natura) set back the advance of modernity, reason and science by a thousand years. Thomas Jefferson, in his final letter to John Adams, declared, &#8220;I&#8217;m an Epicurean&#8221;.So, don&#8217;t tell me about Christian morality &#8211; check your history, you don&#8217;t have a leg to stand on.</p>
<p>Of course, you are welcome to your faith. Just keep it to yourself. Our liberty does not emanate from it &#8211; no matter what David Barton and Glenn Beck say. In fact, liberty comes from reason, not faith, if you actually study the epistemology of the ideas of our liberty and where they come from that is. Individual rights and liberty arose in opposition to the &#8216;divine&#8217; monarchic power, given to them by Christian religious leaders who claimed the authority to do so out of thin air.</p>
<p> You may want to ponder the arrogance and ignorance you must possess to bleat about morality and the nature of the world in the way that you do. The funniest thing to me about modern, self-styled fundamentalist Christians is their epic lack of humility. Whether the vitriol of a Rick Santorum, or a Rick Perry political &#8220;prayer rally&#8221; or Sarah Palin&#8217;s prayer warriors or Michelle Bachman&#8217;s inane Dominionism, the hubris on display is epic an quite out of step with the &#8220;they will know you by your works&#8221; Catholicism I was raised with.</p>
<p>Are you done yet? If you continue in this vein, it will only get worse for your arguments because you don&#8217;t have a leg to stand on. Keep it to yourself, and I&#8217;ll keep my atheism to myself. And I&#8217;m a very moral person by the way &#8211; I make good moral choices all the time without reflecting on God or religion. In fact, the morality of atheists has been studied and it turns out as a group that they act in ways that are more moral than the average person in the U.S. </p>
<p>Wake up. Get a clue. Stop collapsing your politics with your faith.  Join the 21st century.</p>
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		<title>By: herb benty</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/jack-kerwick/columbus-day-still-a-day-worth-celebrating/comment-page-1/#comment-5293900</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[herb benty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Oct 2013 07:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We see eye-to-eye on that alright!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We see eye-to-eye on that alright!</p>
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