Martyred in the USSR, Militant Atheism in the Former Soviet Union


Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Kevin Gonzales, the producer of a new upcoming documentary, “Martyred in the USSR, Militant Atheism in the Former Soviet Union.” The estimated release date is at the end of 2013 and you can view the trailer and get more information on the documentary at martyredintheussr.com.

FP: Kevin Gonzales, welcome to Frontpage Interview.

Tell us what your new documentary is about.

Gonzales: Martyred in the USSR is a documentary about religious persecution, brought on by militant atheism in the former Soviet Union. The film dives into the personal and tragic stories of those who survived the persecution and the history behind it. We’ve only gotten a hand full of testimonials so far and their stories alone are very gut wrenching. One story we have tells of a father who was taken out of his house without warning and had to walk over 40 miles to the gulag in a chain gang. His daughter followed the whole time carrying a loaf of bread because she was afraid he would not have enough to eat in prison. When they finally made it to the gulag, after trudging through 40 miles of snow, the father entered the prison and she was never able to hand him the bread. In desperation she threw it over the fence hoping he would get it. She never saw him again. His crime: he simply attended a church. It is really amazing how the Soviet government hated religion of any kind. Many people don’t know this but Nikita Khrushchev launched an anti-religious campaign that was worse than Stalin’s, and that was between 1953 to 1964.

Nicholai Khamara after being tortured to death in prison in 1964. He was found with a rag stuffed in his mouth and his tongue cut out. He was tortured simply for being a newly converted Baptist.

FP: What inspired you to make this film?

Gonzales: I wasn’t really looking for it and it kind of just fell in my lap. I’ve done news and corporate video most of my career and I wanted to make the switch to the more creative side so I thought a documentary would be the best way to do it. I was looking for a topic but I’m here to tell you, this one would have been the last thing on my mind to produce. I was in church one day and was talking to one of the parishioners, Oxsana, and asked her where she was from. She told me she was from a small town in Russia and of course, the first thing I asked, being a nosey producer, was “How was practicing a faith of any kind during the Cold War?” and it started from there. She told me she remembers her dad, a local pastor, telling her and her siblings to hide under the bed because the KGB was banging on their front door. Oxsana moved to the US when she was five so she told me I should really interview her parents because they have more first- hand knowledge and so a year later I went down to Orange County, just outside of LA, and interviewed her dad, grandfather and two family friends. Their stories were amazing and I knew this would make a fantastic documentary.

Ft. Samsomas. Beaten to death during a KGB interrogation.

FP: Why do you think our mainstream culture and our society at large ignores this issue?

Gonzales: Well, I believe there are two reasons for this. First is, the public in general simply does not know about it. Dr. Christopher Marsh, one of our experts who’s interview is on the website, says that when he lectures in Russia the youth he talks to know nothing about it and will deny that it ever happened. They even go on to say that Stalin had a few faults but he was really an OK guy. I almost fell out of my seat when Dr. Marsh told me that. He went on to say that since the persecution was never taught in the schools, the new generation of teachers don’t even know themselves. (History is written by the victors.) I have gotten much of my information from the Keston Institute which has hundreds if not thousands of personal hand written documents, magazines, and photos from those that lived during that militant atheist regime, that prove otherwise. To say that Stalin, Lenin, Khrushchev, or any of them were “OK guys” is pretty much an oxymoron.

Secondly, many of the survivors simply want to forget and move on with their lives. I tried to speak to get three groups of Russian Jews to tell their story and none of them wanted to speak. This has happened to me with other religions as well, not just the Jews.

Congregation meeting outside because their Church was destroyed by the Soviet government.

FP: What is the layout of the film? Will this be the typical Discovery or History Channel style documentary?

Gonzales: No, not at all. Actually that is the one thing I am desperately trying to avoid. Not that I have anything against the History or Discovery channels, I’m simply trying not to make another boring fact based documentary. So, to avoid that I’m integrating mini reenactments of personal testimonies from survivors. And not just a reenactment with narration, but short movies within the documentary that could stand on their own if needed. There is no narration during the reenactments. At the end of each vignette the actual person will come on screen and close that reenactment. From their we’ll go back to the facts, figures and history of the topic. I’m looking to put about 6 to 7 reenactments throughout the documentary. That’s one of the reasons the budget is a bit high.

Ft. B. Povilanskis after being physically beaten and tortured in a Soviet Lithuanian Information Center in 1980.

FP: What is the budget roughly?

Gonzales: The current estimated budget is $450k which, for this type of doc, is normal due to the travel, reenactments, and stock footage needed. Another documentary came out in 2008 called the Soviet Story which was about communism itself in Russia and it’s dealing with Germany. I spoke with the director of the film and he told me his budget was about $400k and almost half of that went to stock footage. This is why we really need people to give and spread the word. What is great is that the film qualified for fiscal sponsorship through the San Francisco Film Foundation (SFFS) which means that donations are tax deductible. The SFFS is a great organization and is responsible for producing the San Francisco International Film Festival each year.

Soviet Prison Camp

FP: What do you hope your film will help achieve?

Gonzales: I want to tell a story that has never been told before and to show how the elimination of religion will lead to situations like North Korea, China, and the French Revolution. There have been some articles and brief mentions about it on TV or in a documentary, but no one has dived into the outright attack against the religious realm by the Soviet government. Many focus on the Lenin or Stalin era but the persecution was going on all the way up to the fall of the Berlin Wall.

Rev. Michael Bourdeaux, our other expert and the founder of the Keston Institute, studied in Russia in 1959 and 1960 and he saw the persecution first hand. And the old saying is very true, “Those who do not know their own history are condemned to repeat it.” I interviewed a Pentecostal paster from Samara Russia a couple of years ago and he said that in some areas of his own city you cannot evangelize in any way. He said, “They are watching you.”

“New Prisoner List.” Some churches would put out a list of newly arrested people so loved ones would know. Many times people were arrested and never seen again. Their families never knew what happened to them.

FP: Kevin Gonzales, thank you for joining Frontpage Interview and thank you for telling the truth about the martyred in the USSR and for keeping their memory alive.

Gonzales: Thank you Jamie for having me and remember to checkout the website and also please LIKE our Facebook page at https://www.facebook.com/martyredintheussr. We are really pushing to get the budget in to produce it this year. Thanks again.

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  • UCSPanther

    History shows that when ANY kind of dogma dominates, it creates an environment where any ideas to the contrary are suppressed, many times brutally. The Soviets and other similar regimes (IE North Korea) just simply replaced the original religions with deification/worship of the state itself. In order to accomplish such a process, communist states went to great and often absurd lengths, such as North Korea's deification/worship of Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il being a prime example.

    I have also encountered radical atheists who are just as rabid/vicious as the religious fanatics they purport to hate, and like those religious fanatics, those atheists labor under the delusion that they are spreading their own brand of logic, when in fact, they spread discord and hatred.

    I am not particularly religious, but I consider a mark of a totalitarian mindset when people think it is their right to to tell people what to believe, and are willing to attack any who don't toe their line…

    • kevinh

      Everyone thinks they have a right to tell people what they should believe, even the people who believe that you shouldn't have the right.

      And do let us know how that whole moral agnosticism thing works out for your generation.

      Regards,

  • Larry

    The only use the Soviet communists had for religion was to release tame priests on the world in the 1960s (with attendant KGB handlers) to spread "liberation theology". If may have gained most of its adherents in South America, and many people assume it came from there, but it was straight out of the Lubyanka.

  • Mary Sue

    I did hear stories about russia (USSR) persecuting christians. One source was "Aunt Vera's Bedtime Stories" which had at least one story about. It came from a publication in Arizona.

  • importantposts1137

    For those who want to know detailed information on Christian persecution going on today and in Russia under Soviet persecution google search and review the materials available from REV. RICHARD WURMBRAND, SABINA WURMBRAND, his wife, and VOICE OF THE MARTYRS at http://www.persecution.com/ and request your free copy of TORTURED FOR CHRIST. VOM has offices in the USA and Canada and around the world. In addition, there are many other organizations that document current and past torture, murder and imprisonment of Christians. Do a google search. The maker of this film should be told about them so he/she can add their personal testimonies into the film to make it more complete and credible.

  • Arlie

    Satan never sleeps. Be always vigilant America. With a Marxist as pResident and his war on religion and families and a National Debt that can never be repaid…his use of fear and division, it is here now, the table is set and we are being set-up by our own government. How to stop it when so many are being silenced, bribed, and/or blackmailed? To be aware and informed See the video
    NSA whistleblower Thomas Drake speaks at National Press Club-March 15, 2013
    it's on youtube and is 1:02:55 minutes. All journalists are being wiretapped now. The government wants their sources. The corruption is massive and surveillance has gone to the "dark side"
    http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/why-atheists-cant-be-real-ame...

  • Janice

    I can't believe what I see!! I'm an atheist too, but I respect all other religions and people. Well…except some Muslims, but that is because they are as bad as these asses.

  • Rifleman

    This is what democrats call progress. There can be no higher power or loyalty than the party/state. It’s instructive that many of these horrors were perpetrated in the ‘new left’ days, and until the fall of the soviet union. Our ‘new left’ dp/msm were claiming they were ancient history, an aberration, rather than the rule.

    Looking at all the crushed bones in his face and head, I wonder what Mr. Povilanskis would have thought of loud music and having water poured on his face?

  • Edward Cline

    "I want to tell a story that has never been told before and to show how the elimination of religion will lead to situations like North Korea, China, and the French Revolution."

    While the story Gonzales tells here is horrific and should be told, I really must protest the insinuation especially in the statement quoted here, that atheism is an intrinsic element of totalitarianism and particularly of communism. I see nothing in the article that implies or states the converse of that statement. Religion is a form of mysticism, and religion has been the bane of mankind ever since the cavemen, who had more excuse for it than men who lived in later millennia. Those ideologies require a religious fealty not unlike what one sees in church-, synagogue-, and mosque-goers. And I might point out that communism, Nazism, environmentalism, and other kinds of statism are forms of religion themselves. I'm an ex-Catholic, and an atheist, and damned proud of it, and I resent stunts like this one being pulled by a publication that ought to know better. Shame on Front Page for letting it go by unremarked and unqualified.

    • kevinh

      I think the eugenics policies of the National Socialists were based upon existing scientific thinking of the time, which were taken from Darwin's ideas. And of course environmentalism is of the "science is settled" type as well and I'm sure there are quotes floating around about how many billions of people the world would be better off without. I don't suppose you're OK with being lumped together with the likes of Mao, Stalin, and Kim then? Don't really know why, if you share at least some part of their vision.

      By all means, be proud of your "we came from random bits of dust floating in space" mystery belief system, but at least take some pride in the pedegree of your ideals. You've accomplished so much!

      Regards,

      • Black Sabbath

        Afraid not. Mr Cline is a man of actual science, as am I, while Naziism and Communism are pseudo-science, as is environmentalism which is merely recycled Marxism.

        As it is, we reject the mysticism of tyranny but you do not. You advocate faith and, as such, it is you who share the vision of Mao, Stalin, Kim, Hitler, Mussolini, Chavez etc

        • Viktor Suvorov

          Your "mysticism of tyranny" claim is a joke. Pure gibberish. It is only a very desperate and laughable attempt to distance yourself from fellow atheist butchers and genocidal mass-murderers.

          Your effort to combine philosophically the atheist mass-murders with theist victims is evil and despicable. Are you not ashamed of yourself?

          Please provide definition and ample documentation for your claim.

    • Viktor Suvorov

      You obviously don't understand that subjective morality and moral relativism is logically inherent in atheism.

      This is why you fanatic atheists killed, raped and tortured more than anyone else in the history of mankind. More than 100 million people within less than 100 years. Nothing within atheism says it is wrong to murder, torture and rape innocent people.This is sharp contrast to Christianity that forbids these evil acts.

      This is also why you fanatic atheists were never able to form any kind of society based on your evil and dysfunctional subjective morality and moral relativism. It does not function. Compare that to Christendom, the greatest civilization the world has ever seen.

      The very fact that you are "proud" of being an atheist says it all.

      Your claim that Communism, Nazism etc are forms of religion is utterly false. No matter how much you torture the definitions, they are not religions, don't have any kind of deities. Don't believe that "communism" is an eternal "god" that created the universe etc. Same goes for Stalin. Atheists favourit pseudo-academic claim that he was a "god" for the people. Absolutely no one in the USSR believed Stalin was divine and had supernatural powers.

      EVERY time you fanatic atheists got full power over a nation you created a terrible atheistic hell-hole, from the reign of terror in France, to the killing fields in Cambodia and death camps (Gulags) in the USSR.

      • Black Sabbath

        "You obviously don't understand that subjective morality and moral relativism is logically inherent in atheism. "

        You obviously disregard the simple fact that atheism is a negative term signifying only what one does not believe.

        Mr Cline and I are both atheists and men of reason, something you not only reject but implicitly deny is even possible.

        As it is, Communism, National Socialism and all other forms of socialism are religions with the state in place of god. All of them require faith and none are based on reason.

        Your claim that atheism has killed many millions is false as you automatically assume that an atheist is a Communist. You conveniently ignore the fact that many Nazis were Christians and that they had the support of the churches in Germany.

        As it is, it is religious morality that is subjective as it is based on faith, not fact or reason.

        • Viktor Suvorov

          Please end the theater Edward Cline aka Black Sabbath. It is too easy that the "two" of you are the very same person.

          You obviously don't understand logic. If you reject God as a giver of universal laws, you also reject objective morality from God and thus embrace moral relativism and subjective morality. There is therefore no moral standard based on atheism per se. So rejecting God has by far more logical implications than just merely advocating a negative term.

          I can't see that you and your alter ego adhere to reason at all. Based on your comments I would say the very opposite of reason.

          Please provide an official definition of atheism, God and religion. NOT your own home-made definitions and then formulate sound logical argument that atheists that believe in communism are no longer atheists.

          No, I have never assumed that an atheist is a communist. That is a lie. Show me your reasoning for that claim.

          Your claim that the Nazis were predominantly Christians are false. Read Bonhoeffer. The Nazis had to make their own form of Christianity without Jesus Christ. A pseudo-religion masquerading as a form of Christianity without Christ. Nazis were occultists, belonged to the Thule order, derived the origin of the Aryan race and Atlantis nonsense from known occultist Helena Blavatsky. To claim that they were devout Christians is a typical ridiculous and rather evil atheist myth. Just some nonsense from atheist la-la land.

          Morality based on facts and reason gave us eugenics. A total atheistic horror show.

          A Christian will derive morality from the laws of God. Thus Christians have a COMMON and OBJECTIVE morality independent of their own subjective opinions and faulty reasoning. You clearly show that you are not able to grasp the very essence of subjective and objective morality.

          What does fact and reason say about having sex with dogs in street in front of kids if they all enjoy it and no physical harm done? What does facts and reason say about wife having sex and get pregnant with a man with much better genes than husband? Your atheistic morality based on "reason" and "science" leads us to hell on earth. I really doubt that you are intelligent enough to understand it or even see it. Pity.

  • Edward Cline

    "I want to tell a story that has never been told before and to show how the elimination of religion will lead to situations like North Korea, China, and the French Revolution."

    While the story Gonzales tells here is horrific and should be told, I really must protest the insinuation especially in the statement quoted here, that atheism is an intrinsic element of totalitarianism and particularly of communism. I see nothing in the article that implies or states the converse of that statement. Religion is a form of mysticism, and religion has been the bane of mankind ever since the cavemen, who had more excuse for it than men who lived in later millennia. And I might point out that communism, Nazism, environmentalism, and other kinds of statism are forms of religion themselves. Those ideologies require a religious fealty not unlike what one sees in church-, synagogue-, and mosque-goers. I'm an ex-Catholic, and an atheist, and damned proud of it, and I resent stunts like this one being pulled by a publication that ought to know better. Shame on Front Page for letting it go by unremarked and unqualified.

    • Viktor Suvorov

      You obviously don't understand that subjective morality and moral relativism is logically inherent in atheism.

      This is why you fanatic atheists killed, raped and tortured more than anyone else in the history of mankind. More than 100 million people within less than 100 years. Nothing within atheism says it is wrong to murder, torture and rape innocent people.This is sharp contrast to Christianity that forbids these evil acts.

      This is also why you fanatic atheists were never able to form any kind of society based on your evil and dysfunctional subjective morality and moral relativism. It does not function. Compare that to Christendom, the greatest civilization the world has ever seen.

      The very fact that you are "proud" of being an atheist says it all.

      Your claim that Communism, Nazism etc are forms of religion is utterly false. No matter how much you torture the definitions, they are not religions, don't have any kind of deities. Don't believe that "communism" is an eternal "god" that created the universe etc. Same goes for Stalin. Atheists favourit pseudo-academic claim that he was a "god" for the people. Absolutely no one in the USSR believed Stalin was divine and had supernatural powers.

      EVERY time you fanatic atheists got full power over a nation you created a terrible atheistic hell-hole, from the reign of terror in France, to the killing fields in Cambodia and death camps (Gulags) in the USSR.

      • Edward Cline

        You say that "fanatical" (your spelling corrected here) atheists killed over 100 million people in about 100 years. Obviously you're omitting Islam's 1,400-year-and-counting depredations, and even Christianity and the European religious wars, especially the 30 Years' War, in which Catholics and Protestants slaughtered each other with reckless abandon. I won't even venture here into pre-Dark Age history, or even biblical history. Massacres in the name of God and Allah and Wontonka abound. By the way, Hitler did believe in God. Read his speeches. Stalin? The communist state was a mystical entity he strove to preserve, usually at the price of someone else's life. The same goes for Kim Il Jung II and Mao and all the other killers. So, in the final analysis, atheists haven't really killed anyone. It's the mystics of muscle who are responsible for all the crimes you cite.

        • Viktor Suvorov

          Funny that you call other people for pseudointellectuals and then right after that compare in absolute numbers a 2 000 year old civilization with a handful of nations operating with evil atheism in only a few decades. Worse, you compare death toll during war time with atheists murdering their own people.

          This is pure academic fraud and junk science.

          If it hadn't been for nuclear weapons, the murderous atheists hell bent on world domination would most likely have caused another world war. Furthermore, the century with Christianity overtaken by secular humanism in Europe, gave us two world wars and extermination camps. So much for the values of secular humanism and their love of "reason".

          Atheists have killed, raped and tortured innocent people more than anyone else in the recorded history of mankind. Both in absolute and relative numbers. More than 100 million within less than 100 years (please note this 100 years restrictions as you can't compare 2 000 years with a few decades without analytic restrictions). In Cambodia atheist Khmer Rouge killed one in four of it's own population. Worst in history of mankind. Took them only a few years. Nothing within atheism says that these horrendous crimes are evil or even wrong.

          Human rights and law of warfare are derived from Christianity and Christendom. Atheism gave us the word "terror".

          I have read Hilter's speeches in German. He was a pagan. Belonged to Thule order. He was also a Darwiniac and believed in "science and reason" as moral foundation. He rejected orthodox Christian morality and made up his own religion, positive "Christianity" where Jewish Jesus Christ taken out. A total fraud. Christianity without Christ. Read Bonhoeffer.

          Your claim that the atheists ruling USSR were not atheists due to "the communist state was a mystical entity" is pure nonsensical, illogical gibberish. What kind of fraudulent definitions do you use? What kind of paralogic? Please try to formulate your claim in a logically sound and true argument. Good luck with that.

          • Black Sabbath

            "Atheists have killed, raped and tortured innocent people more than anyone else in the recorded history of mankind".

            Nope.

            Socialists have done that, not atheists.

            You are clearly not a man of reason as it is the antidote to Communism and all other forms of religion.

          • Viktor Suvorov

            Always fun to see fanatic atheists trying to look smart and totally unaware that they utterly fail at logic.

            So not the atheists killed, raped and tortured more than anyone else in the recorded history of mankind you say, but rather the socialists?? lol

            According to your logic Germans killed Jews, not Nazis.

            I would like to see your documentation that these killers were not atheists. What was the name of their god. Documentation.

            Communism and all OTHER forms of religion? lol
            Give definitions, documentation and show logically that communism is a religion. Ha, ha, ha, pure comedy gold.

          • Viktor Suvorov

            Your claim that "Socialists have done that, not atheists. " makes ONLY logical sense if they are mutual exclusive. They are not. Hence your claim is illogical.

            Please show me your "reasoning" behind your claim that communism is a religion.

          • Viktor Suvorov

            Your comment is not logical. It is like saying Lincoln was not an American, he was a man.

            To claim that communism is a religion is utter rubbish.

  • Moishe Pupick

    Tu., 03/19/13

    Ah yes, the Glorious People's Paradise, a nation in which only The Government has guns and ammo. Of course, it could never, ever happen here in the U.S.A. under Barry Soetoro & his Marixist pals– or could it?

  • Herb Benty

    NOW I see how marxism and Islam are connected This explains the reason atheistic lefties are so close in their hatred for Jews and Christians. Anyone who says that Satan is a fairy tale is lying or deluded

  • Herb Benty

    Just would like to add, "and radical Islam" after "atheistic lefties" in the second sentence above. I have wondered for a long time why Leftists would continually cover for Islamic terror and why the fierce opposition to Jews and Christians, who are peaceful and benefit a country. It's simple….their god is satan, which explains the vehemence.

    • DebbieOhio912

      Herb, I would imagine a marxist government hates all religion including Islam. So are Muslims just useful idiots to a marxist?

      • WesTexan

        I agree Deb, but would go further. Depending on which ideology is in control, Marxism or Islam, they each can become the useful idiot of the other. Obama governs as a Marxist socialist, but his true and absolute loyalty is to Islam. If he were ever to gain absolute power, which is obviously his goal, anyone who would not convert to Islam will lose their head—Christian, Jew or loyal Socialist/Communist/Marxist.

  • WilliamJamesWard

    See it this way Herb, Islamists worship the Moon god (as cheesy as that is) and leftists
    are lunatics, match made in hell……………………William

  • Edward Cline

    Your pseudointellectual rhetoric about "subjective morality and moral relativism", deliberately misrepresents atheism, and it is clear that you intend to evade any facts that contradict your "faith". Your rant reverberates with your longing to teach us "fanatic atheists" a lesson in the tradition of the "Christendom" of centuries past, starting with showing us the instruments of torture and progressing to the stake.

    So "Christendom" was the pure and stainless greatest of all civilizations, was it? Tell that to the millions persecuted and murdered as "heretics" or "witches" or "blasphemers" by Catholic and Protestant tyrants alike, not just over decades but over centuries. Tell that to those who lived their lives never daring to speak their own convictions as atheists or even questioners, because that was a death warrant in the "good Christian" societies like the Middle Ages.

    • Viktor Suvorov

      You obviously don't understand that subjective morality and moral relativism is logically inherent in atheism. You can't escape logic. There is no way that atheism per se can give objective morality since you reject the existence of an moral lawgiver giving an objective moral standing. Hence you atheists must retort to your OWN reasoning, if you choose reason instead of, say, feelings or whatever, as your own personal moral standard. That means that you have a society that don't fundamentally agree on a common morality, and you have people that do whatever THEY find good, and no God shall tell them otherwise. If slaughtering millions of people as some kind of social experiment, NO God or any other human being shall tell these godless people otherwise.

      What you call a "pseudointellectual rhetoric" is a LOGICAL NECESSITY that follows directly from atheism per se. Subjective morality and moral relativism is LOGICALLY inherent in atheism.

      Yes, by all common parameters Christendom was the greatest civilization the world has ever seen. Your claim that millions were murdered as "heretics" or "witches" or "blasphemers" by Catholic and Protestant tyrants alike, – this is a lie. A pure atheist myth. Show me your documentation.

      Most philosophers in Christendom were either agnostics or atheists. There were NO death sentence for being an atheist. Again you are spreading myths and lies. This in sharp contrast to atheist paradise USSR where Christians were killed and tortured by the millions solely due to their faith in Jesus Christ.

  • Edward Cline

    Viktor: I can't decide whether you are a certified nut case or just another emotionalist, religious fanatic who'd kill in God's name, not that there's much of a difference between the two. You call me names, I call you names. But, first of all, what's with this "you" business? I've never murdered, raped, or tortured anyone in my six decades of life. You make charges like that, you'd better be able to back them up. Go onto Amazon.com books and type in one of my 21 book titles, say, Sparrowhawk. You'll see who I am and how stupid you should feel in leveling the charges on me that you do.
    Second, yes, Nazism, Communism, socialism, etc. all required a religious fervor in their followers. As with regular religions, they were impervious to reason. The deities? The Hitlers and Stalins and Napoleons of history. And then there were the semi-deities of FDR and Woodrow Wilson, and even JFK. I'm sure that in good time Barack Obama will be treated as an icon, as well. More's the pity. You allege that no one regarded Stalin as a "god." Perhaps not. But they probably had better not have say that outloud.

    • Viktor Suvorov

      Thank you for hurling your childish insults at me. Your psychological projection is quite interesting. As long as you don't use facts and logic in your comment, I will not bother to address any of your "arguments" based on your own personal feelings and emotions.

      • Black Sabbath

        Actually, he was being quite factual while your rants are the emotionalistic ones.

        • Viktor Suvorov

          No. Care to explain your username, Black Sabbath? Hopefully you are able to give an honest explanation.

  • Edward Cline

    Viktor: You say that "fanatical" (your spelling corrected here) atheists killed over 100 million people in about 100 years. Obviously you're omitting Islam's 1,400-year-and-counting depredations, and even Christianity and the European religious wars, especially the 30 Years' War, in which Catholics and Protestants slaughtered each other with reckless abandon. I won't even venture here into pre-Dark Age history, or even biblical history. Massacres in the name of God and Allah and Wontonka abound. By the way, Hitler did believe in God. Read his speeches. Stalin? The communist state was a mystical entity he strove to preserve, usually at the price of someone else's life. The same goes for Kim Il Jung II and Mao and all the other killers. So, in the final analysis, atheists haven't really killed anyone. It's the mystics of muscle who are responsible for all the crimes you cite.

    • Viktor Suvorov

      Funny that you call other people for pseudointellectuals and then right after that compare in absolute numbers a 2 000 year old civilization with a handful of nations operating with evil atheism in only a few decades. Worse, you compare death toll during war time with atheists murdering their own people.

      This is pure academic fraud and junk science.

      If it hadn't been for nuclear weapons, the murderous atheists hell bent on world domination would most likely have caused another world war. Furthermore, the century with Christianity overtaken by secular humanism in Europe, gave us two world wars and extermination camps. So much for the values of secular humanism and their love of "reason".

      Atheists have killed, raped and tortured innocent people more than anyone else in the recorded history of mankind. Both in absolute and relative numbers. More than 100 million within less than 100 years (please note this 100 years restrictions as you can't compare 2 000 years with a few decades without analytic restrictions). In Cambodia atheist Khmer Rouge killed one in four of it's own population. Worst in history of mankind. Took them only a few years. Nothing within atheism says that these horrendous crimes are evil or even wrong.

      Human rights and law of warfare are derived from Christianity and Christendom. Atheism gave us the word "terror".

      I have read Hilter's speeches in German. He was a pagan. Belonged to Thule order. He was also a Darwiniac and believed in "science and reason" as moral foundation. He rejected orthodox Christian morality and made up his own religion, positive "Christianity" where Jewish Jesus Christ taken out. A total fraud. Christianity without Christ. Read Bonhoeffer.

      Your claim that the atheists ruling USSR were not atheists due to "the communist state was a mystical entity" is pure nonsensical, illogical gibberish. What kind of fraudulent definitions do you use? What kind of paralogic? Please try to formulate your claim in a logically sound and true argument. Good luck with that.

  • Edward Cline

    Dear Approver: I don't like being charged with crimes by some emotionalist basket case, such as Viktor, without having the chance to respond at least once. You are obviously having problems digesting my rebuttal, as well, because I can't seem to post my rebuttal in its entirety. Viktor in his rant called me names, and I think it's only fair that I return the favor.

    • Viktor Suvorov

      I have also lost a comment. Describing you as a fanatic is an observation and not name calling. When you are "damned proud" of being an atheist, you are PER DEFINITION a fanatic. Sadly, your myth based atheistic fanaticism is all too common.

      Please use facts and logic to back up your claim that I am an "emotionalist basket case".

  • Ghostwriter

    Sadly,many atheists are acting like Mr. Cline. They trash other people's religions for no other reason than their own amusement. They twist things like the Inquisition to make themselves seem so righteous. I'm not a religious person but I learned not to attack other people simply because they do. Maybe you should grow up a little before you return to this site.

    • Black Sabbath

      Afraid not. Mr Cline is a man of reason and that is why he rejects religion, as do I.

      He is entirely right to reject the claim that atheism is what killed millions as it was COMMUNISM that did so.

      Communism is highly irrational and demands faith and self-sacrifice from its followers as it is easily refutable by reason.

      • Edward Cline

        Thank you, Black Sabbath. I will refrain from replying to Ghostwriter (what an appropriate name for someone who believes in ghosts) and the Viktor person, because they are obviously off their meds and need an outlet for their emotionalist ranting. I'll just say that I don't "trash" religion, whatever its character; I repudiate it.

        • Viktor Suvorov

          Your so-called repudiation of Christianity is solely based on paralogic and wishful thinking. Instead of wasting everybody's time with rationalization and psychological projection, why don't you try to answer questions, provide documentation for your claims and at least attempt to formulate logically true and sound arguments instead of mere mudslinging and invalid "arguments".

          • Mr. Curious

            Playing Devil's advocate here:

            All world religions require the submission of one's soul (will) to a higher power: failure to do so results in burning in hell. Communism, Nazism & most other 'isms require the submission of one's will to that of a 'higher power in a worldly sense' on pain of death, or at least torture.

            To my mind, if a person, upon seeing the similarities between these two 'moralities' chooses to reject them as un'reason'able, surely (s)he would be one that rejects the ideas that have caused endless pain to countless generations of people.

            My point is, to be able to MAKE UP ONE'S OWN MIND without being coerced in some way (which amounts to mind control) is a right that all rational & reasonable people should have. It is freedom. Religion & most 'isms have always stood in the way of this freedom. Fear & coercion have always been their greatest weapons.

            Looking at religion as a whole, & looking at Communism as a whole, I really can't tell the difference between these so called moralities. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.

          • Viktor Suvorov

            Interesting point of view. Very complex issue, so I will try to break it down and make it a little bit simplistic.

            Unlike Islam, Christianity is about decision and not submission. God amplifies free will and our heart. If we give to poor out of submission to God or pride etc, this is evil in the eyes of God. Also people who do not become Christians but are good people will end up in heaven after judgement, but they are not saved (guaranteed. However, Christians can in grave instances lose their salvation).

            At first glance your differentiation between reason and religion/isms makes sense. But if you dig deeper you will see that every person has a platform for how a good society will look like. Some personal utopia. This platform will normally be religious, political or ideological in nature.

            If you combine any of these platforms with totalitarianism you will get slaughter and evilness, no matter how nice the utopian end goal is.

            So the key evil element is totalitarianism. That people are willing to force other people and bend their will in order to achieve a higher goal (common good) in the (near) future.

            You can take your own platform. You believe everybody should be 'able to MAKE UP ONE'S OWN MIND without being coerced in some way (which amounts to mind control) is a right that all rational & reasonable people should have. It is freedom'.

            This platform, that is good in itself, can be combined with totalitarianism and be transformed into evil. Example: unscientific people no longer able indoctrinate their children for the good of society, so every parent who believe in, say, astrology (debunked by science) can have their children taken away from them etc. Or unreasonable people can be forced to submit to reason or reasonable people. Sounds nice, but is pure evil.

            Some platforms are more easy than others to combine with totalitarianism. The teaching of Jesus Christ is difficult. So a Biblical literal population will not easily support a totalitarian state or movement.

            As a rule of thumb, every platform that involves radical changes in present society or differ radically from human nature will much more easily turn to the dark side. Other platforms are inherent totalitarian and evil, like Satanism and Islam.

            Even 'no platform' is a platform. Anarchism was the main source of terrorism in early 1900s. Anarchism will lead to small groups of strongmen suppressing other people. So despite not having a suppressing totalitarian state on a macro level, you will get suppression on a micro (group) level instead.

            Your platform, freedom combined with reason and ration gave us the reign of terror in France. Priests were killed, churches desecrated. The killing, torture and oppression were horrific.

            Cult of reason: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_Reason

            One book that deals with different platforms is Demonic by Ann Coulter. She doesn't use the concept of different platforms per se, but she identifies two seemingly identical revolutions based on freedom, and then highlights how different they were in nature and execution.

  • Marina Glazov

    Rev. Michael Bourdeaux and Jamie's dad, Yuri Glazov, were very good friends. Rev. Michael came to visit our family in Italy as soon as we got out of Russia in April 1972. They both subsequently collaborated a lot together in researching precisely this tragic and horrifying phenomenon: the persecution of religion and religious people in the Soviet Union.

    One can't help from wondering in our present culture: why is this subject completely ignored today? All because the Soviet Union is gone, does it mean that the mass crimes never occurred, and do not continue to occur in post-communist Russia? Can there even be a present and a future if we ignore the past? What sort of present and future can we possibly have if we are engulfed with complete historical amnesia? This contemptuous disrespect toward, and willful ignorance, of the past is tragic and frightening.

  • David Truman

    An extract from a lecture I give in my class on Russian History:

    RENEWED PERSECUTION OF THE CHURCH UNDER KHRUSHCHEV AND BEYOND

    From its very beginning at the Revolution, the Soviet Union was the first state to have as an ideological objective the elimination of religion. Toward that end, the Communist government confiscated church property, ridiculed religion, murdered bishops and priests, interned believers in gulags or otherwise harassed them, and propagated atheism in the schools and the media.

    An extensive education and propaganda campaign was undertaken to convince people, especially the children and youth, not to become believers. School students were encouraged to taunt and use peer pressure against classmates wearing crosses or otherwise professing their faith. In the 1920s there were many "anti-God" publications and social clubs sponsored by the government. A "scientific" perspective was used to attack religion extensively. The Church was portrayed as obscurantist and opposed to the findings of science.

    Practising Orthodox Christians were restricted from prominent careers and membership in the party and the Komsomol, the government youth organization. The Komsomol encouraged its members to vandalize Orthodox Churches and harass worshippers. [See story by SOLZHEDNITSYN "The Easter Procession", 1966.] Seminaries were closed down, and the church was restricted from using the press.

    After Nazi Germany's attack on the Soviet Union in 1941, Stalin revived the Russian Orthodox Church to intensify patriotic support for the war effort. On 4 September 1943, Metropolitans Sergei (Stragorodsky), Alexei (Simansky) and Nikolai (Yarushevich) were officially received by Stalin who proposed to create the Moscow Patriarchate. They received a permission to convene a council on 8 September 1943, that elected Sergei Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia. Between 1945 and 1959 the official organization of the church was greatly expanded, although individual members of the clergy were occasionally arrested and exiled.

    By 1957 about 22,000 Russian Orthodox churches had become active and at the peak in 1959, the number of open churches reached 25,000. But in 1959 Khrushchev launched a new campaign against the Russian Orthodox Church and forced the closure of about 12,000 churches. Between 1960 and 1962, as many as 30 percent of churches were destroyed, with the number of monasteries falling by a quarter.

    It is estimated that 50,000 clergy were executed by the end of the Khrushchev era. Members of the church hierarchy were jailed or forced out, their places taken by clergy forced or willing to report to the KGB. Khrushchev publicly promised to show the "last priest" on Soviet television.

    The anti-church policy was continued by Brezhnev, Khrushchev’s successor. By 1987 the number of functioning churches in the Soviet Union had fallen to 6893 and the number of functioning monasteries to just 18. The Church and the government remained on unfriendly terms until 1988. However, among the general population, large numbers remained religious. In 1987 in the Russian SFSR, between 40% and 50% of newborn babies (depending on the region) were baptized and over 60% of all deceased received Christian funeral services.

    • Viktor Suvorov

      Absolutely true. Thank you for your time and effort standing up for truth and freedom.

      Hard-left atheists within academia do whatever they can to suppress these facts. Our secular media in the West will not report it.

  • Mary

    I can’t wait for this documentary to come out! Thank you sooo much for giving a voice to persecuted Christians! May God Richly bless you and your efforts!!

    In Him,
    Mary