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		<title>By: Le Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Le Fox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Nov 2013 00:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, because Diana West clearly deserves defending because she is the Messiah!


Big deal. She got criticized, she needs to deal with it and grow up. There have been better books done by better authors. Her? She doesn&#039;t need criticism, because everyone is just Communist Pinko scum, dammit!


Don&#039;t you think calling those with a different point of view communists make you more noble? Because that is what Diana West did, and look at her little fans ready to lick up the slobber.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, because Diana West clearly deserves defending because she is the Messiah!</p>
<p>Big deal. She got criticized, she needs to deal with it and grow up. There have been better books done by better authors. Her? She doesn&#8217;t need criticism, because everyone is just Communist Pinko scum, dammit!</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you think calling those with a different point of view communists make you more noble? Because that is what Diana West did, and look at her little fans ready to lick up the slobber.</p>
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		<title>By: Jukka</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jukka]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As an American Finn whose abroad family was forced out of Karelia, I find it impossible to go the full dhimmi about the Red Army in Europe or be so cavalier about &quot;what might have happened.&quot; 


You see, what happened, happened. There are people still alive today who lived through it. My father (long ago passed) went to volunteer with the Finnish Army in 1939, he felt that strongly about the matter. Also we hate/d the Nazis as much as we hated &quot;The Neighbor.&quot; That&#039;s the problem with being a tiny independent republic constantly overrun by clashing empires. Finland was not yet 21 when Stalin rolled in after Molotov and Ribbentrop had carved up the Baltic states between USSR and Germany.


But what&#039;s history and living memory for me and my family is a game for elites in their ivory towers. Reading West&#039;s book, I got the feeling that that&#039;s exactly what it is for her. Something remote enough from her intended audiences that she can say pretty much anything...and if questioned, play the amygdala card. I suppose today&#039;s younger readers, raised on a steady diet of ever more jittery and flashy mediated content, expect that. God knows they never learned any real history in their schooling, nor critical thinking. 


 People can build careers making outrageous assertions about history, and winning over readers who don&#039;t know shite from shinola. But in the end, history is supposed to be about people. Not ideas. To exploit people&#039;s lived experience in this way is exactly what the Leninists did. Finland fought a terrible civil war over that. 


The hysteria of West&#039;s supporters, who cannot stand to see any of her facts questioned, belongs more on the left than in the pages of FPM. I&#039;m seriously bummed to see it here. It feels more like screechings and turfwars of Kos, Puff Ho, DU, etc. My father, the Karelian American freedom fighter, was a conservative and a Republican, and later he fought in the South Pacific in the USN. He was such a calm man, who  could express his political views in calm, reasoned, and manly terms. 


We are conservative but open minded Republicans way back; I was raised that way. I am so sad and sick and sorry to see what conservatism and the GOP have become. 


Communism and fascism are no longer the big problems. Religio-political fundamentalism/orthodoxy and emotive outbursts are. The stoic, tolerant, mature calm of conservatism has been replaced by something that looks very much like cultural Marxism, or any other form of jihad. 


In a way, West&#039;s supporters are like my Marxian lefty/progressive friends: they truly do believe in Communism&#039;s power. I was taught that in the trenches on the Mannerheim Line, the brutalized Finns stood up beyond any reasonable expectation of resistance by singing  over and over:


They are so many
Our land is so tiny
Where will we room
To bury them all?


In other words, refusing to believe in the power of the Red Army.


It is time to bury the USSR and Communism and look to the future. Anything else just keeps it alive. Can we have a conservatism in the west that can exist outside of the Marxian dialectic of anti-Communism? I&#039;m starting to wonder...and despair.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an American Finn whose abroad family was forced out of Karelia, I find it impossible to go the full dhimmi about the Red Army in Europe or be so cavalier about &#8220;what might have happened.&#8221; </p>
<p>You see, what happened, happened. There are people still alive today who lived through it. My father (long ago passed) went to volunteer with the Finnish Army in 1939, he felt that strongly about the matter. Also we hate/d the Nazis as much as we hated &#8220;The Neighbor.&#8221; That&#8217;s the problem with being a tiny independent republic constantly overrun by clashing empires. Finland was not yet 21 when Stalin rolled in after Molotov and Ribbentrop had carved up the Baltic states between USSR and Germany.</p>
<p>But what&#8217;s history and living memory for me and my family is a game for elites in their ivory towers. Reading West&#8217;s book, I got the feeling that that&#8217;s exactly what it is for her. Something remote enough from her intended audiences that she can say pretty much anything&#8230;and if questioned, play the amygdala card. I suppose today&#8217;s younger readers, raised on a steady diet of ever more jittery and flashy mediated content, expect that. God knows they never learned any real history in their schooling, nor critical thinking. </p>
<p> People can build careers making outrageous assertions about history, and winning over readers who don&#8217;t know shite from shinola. But in the end, history is supposed to be about people. Not ideas. To exploit people&#8217;s lived experience in this way is exactly what the Leninists did. Finland fought a terrible civil war over that. </p>
<p>The hysteria of West&#8217;s supporters, who cannot stand to see any of her facts questioned, belongs more on the left than in the pages of FPM. I&#8217;m seriously bummed to see it here. It feels more like screechings and turfwars of Kos, Puff Ho, DU, etc. My father, the Karelian American freedom fighter, was a conservative and a Republican, and later he fought in the South Pacific in the USN. He was such a calm man, who  could express his political views in calm, reasoned, and manly terms. </p>
<p>We are conservative but open minded Republicans way back; I was raised that way. I am so sad and sick and sorry to see what conservatism and the GOP have become. </p>
<p>Communism and fascism are no longer the big problems. Religio-political fundamentalism/orthodoxy and emotive outbursts are. The stoic, tolerant, mature calm of conservatism has been replaced by something that looks very much like cultural Marxism, or any other form of jihad. </p>
<p>In a way, West&#8217;s supporters are like my Marxian lefty/progressive friends: they truly do believe in Communism&#8217;s power. I was taught that in the trenches on the Mannerheim Line, the brutalized Finns stood up beyond any reasonable expectation of resistance by singing  over and over:</p>
<p>They are so many<br />
Our land is so tiny<br />
Where will we room<br />
To bury them all?</p>
<p>In other words, refusing to believe in the power of the Red Army.</p>
<p>It is time to bury the USSR and Communism and look to the future. Anything else just keeps it alive. Can we have a conservatism in the west that can exist outside of the Marxian dialectic of anti-Communism? I&#8217;m starting to wonder&#8230;and despair.</p>
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		<title>By: Julius O'Malley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julius O'Malley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Sep 2013 11:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A succinct and excellent analysis of this sorry saga. Thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A succinct and excellent analysis of this sorry saga. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Rovidan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rovidan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Sep 2013 23:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, but this began as a blind-side barrage by these two (Horowitz and Radosh).  They aren&#039;t writing as critics, they are engaged in a full-out attack on the person of West. Joe is absolutely correct, the feeble critique of her work does little to disguise the fact that she has, very obviously struck a very painful nerve with them.  It will be quite interesting to see their charade come unraveled in the coming days.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but this began as a blind-side barrage by these two (Horowitz and Radosh).  They aren&#8217;t writing as critics, they are engaged in a full-out attack on the person of West. Joe is absolutely correct, the feeble critique of her work does little to disguise the fact that she has, very obviously struck a very painful nerve with them.  It will be quite interesting to see their charade come unraveled in the coming days.</p>
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		<title>By: ColdHeartedPatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ColdHeartedPatriot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2013 15:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So you claim no one has read her &quot;monumentally $hitty book.&quot; And yet there are mistakes.....hmmm. How were they discovered? Did Radosh lay his head on the book and let the &quot;mistakes&quot; seep in thru osmosis? And do you swallow all of Radosh&#039;s seepage?
Or perhaps in the heady excitement of your troll-boner, you simply spurted out an accidental generalization. 
Also, I got your sock puppet right here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you claim no one has read her &#8220;monumentally $hitty book.&#8221; And yet there are mistakes&#8230;..hmmm. How were they discovered? Did Radosh lay his head on the book and let the &#8220;mistakes&#8221; seep in thru osmosis? And do you swallow all of Radosh&#8217;s seepage?<br />
Or perhaps in the heady excitement of your troll-boner, you simply spurted out an accidental generalization.<br />
Also, I got your sock puppet right here.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melissa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2013 06:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; Our association with such a force would have been morally indefensible.&quot;


And yet our association with Communism and the Soviet Union is okay with you even though they have killed many, many more people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Our association with such a force would have been morally indefensible.&#8221;</p>
<p>And yet our association with Communism and the Soviet Union is okay with you even though they have killed many, many more people.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melissa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2013 05:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who says Diana West made a mistake, and who says that her account of history is inaccurate.  She had a lot more references in her research than have been offered by her critics.  Mostly what I have read from her critics has been opinion only.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who says Diana West made a mistake, and who says that her account of history is inaccurate.  She had a lot more references in her research than have been offered by her critics.  Mostly what I have read from her critics has been opinion only.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melissa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2013 05:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are right.  This Chez character is worthless, and now he is resorting to ridicule.  How very Alinskyish of him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right.  This Chez character is worthless, and now he is resorting to ridicule.  How very Alinskyish of him.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melissa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2013 05:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I absolutely agree.  So many other targets, and yet we have a high-profile conservative attacking another conservative.  This does not compute.  Something stinks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely agree.  So many other targets, and yet we have a high-profile conservative attacking another conservative.  This does not compute.  Something stinks.</p>
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		<title>By: ziggy zoggy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ziggy zoggy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Aug 2013 08:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not heartless? I&#039;m guessing you are d!ckless, though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not heartless? I&#8217;m guessing you are d!ckless, though.</p>
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		<title>By: ziggy zoggy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ziggy zoggy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Aug 2013 08:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a hard on against sock puppet trolls. West refuses to revise her mistakes or even discuss them. I don&#039;t need to burn a book nobody will read.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a hard on against sock puppet trolls. West refuses to revise her mistakes or even discuss them. I don&#8217;t need to burn a book nobody will read.</p>
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		<title>By: ColdHeartedPatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ColdHeartedPatriot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2013 03:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Piggy Poggy, hyperbole we much? Sounds like you have a real hard-on against this book. Getting the bonfire ready?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Piggy Poggy, hyperbole we much? Sounds like you have a real hard-on against this book. Getting the bonfire ready?</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2013 17:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A bit recursive, but:
because
&quot;
America did not come to European war on the whim of FDR but rather as a result of Hitler declaring war on America

&quot;
Also it did not help that US land army was downsized post WWI and only started rebuilding during initial stages of WWII]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bit recursive, but:<br />
because<br />
&#8221;<br />
America did not come to European war on the whim of FDR but rather as a result of Hitler declaring war on America</p>
<p>&#8221;<br />
Also it did not help that US land army was downsized post WWI and only started rebuilding during initial stages of WWII</p>
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		<title>By: ReyR</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ReyR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Said ZZ: &quot;Yeah, well look who is in the White House and look at who controls all government agencies. We&#039;ll be lucky if we survive this - and he has three more years to drive us under.&quot;
Sometimes I wonder if my shepherds have more sense than you lot. My dogs at least know when they should bark and when to keep mum..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Said ZZ: &#8220;Yeah, well look who is in the White House and look at who controls all government agencies. We&#8217;ll be lucky if we survive this &#8211; and he has three more years to drive us under.&#8221;<br />
Sometimes I wonder if my shepherds have more sense than you lot. My dogs at least know when they should bark and when to keep mum..</p>
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		<title>By: ziggy zoggy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ziggy zoggy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Enjoy your government bread and Arctic Winter, comrade.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoy your government bread and Arctic Winter, comrade.</p>
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		<title>By: ziggy zoggy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ziggy zoggy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is an issue worth deploring.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is an issue worth deploring.</p>
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		<title>By: ziggy zoggy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ziggy zoggy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Radosh, Horowitz and Herf made exceedingly cogent appraisals of West&#039;s book. The only bluster and ridicule comes from her sock puppet troll supporters.
And Snowden is a traitor. He could have leaked his wad to Fox News and Congress but he chose to blow America&#039;s enemies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radosh, Horowitz and Herf made exceedingly cogent appraisals of West&#8217;s book. The only bluster and ridicule comes from her sock puppet troll supporters.<br />
And Snowden is a traitor. He could have leaked his wad to Fox News and Congress but he chose to blow America&#8217;s enemies.</p>
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		<title>By: ziggy zoggy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ziggy zoggy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ColdFartedPooter,
the all out war. You sock puppet trolls have declared war on valid criticism of a monumentally $hitty book and its demented author. 
Pinch your cheeks and hold in what&#039;s left of your brain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ColdFartedPooter,<br />
the all out war. You sock puppet trolls have declared war on valid criticism of a monumentally $hitty book and its demented author.<br />
Pinch your cheeks and hold in what&#8217;s left of your brain.</p>
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		<title>By: ziggy zoggy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ziggy zoggy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am stunned that you idiot sock puppets think your spam will work here. FYVM.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am stunned that you idiot sock puppets think your spam will work here. FYVM.</p>
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		<title>By: RCraigen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RCraigen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2013 02:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cute title, Mr. Herf.  I have to admit it took me some time to catch the reference to a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nationalreview.com/liberal-fascism/203232/radosh-v-historians&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;brief Jonah Goldberg piece&lt;/a&gt; &quot;&lt;b&gt;Radosh v. the Historians&lt;/b&gt;&quot;, in which Jonah Goldberg weighs in on Ron&#039;s side, or rather pointing out that Radosh was catching some grief for writing in favour of his book Liberal Fascism.  In fact, Radosh&#039;s review was faint praise, pulling out one of the brushes he is using here to paint Ms. West -- of Goldberg&#039;s book he writes, &quot;...he strains and pushes his evidence too far&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cute title, Mr. Herf.  I have to admit it took me some time to catch the reference to a <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/liberal-fascism/203232/radosh-v-historians" rel="nofollow">brief Jonah Goldberg piece</a> &#8220;<b>Radosh v. the Historians</b>&#8220;, in which Jonah Goldberg weighs in on Ron&#8217;s side, or rather pointing out that Radosh was catching some grief for writing in favour of his book Liberal Fascism.  In fact, Radosh&#8217;s review was faint praise, pulling out one of the brushes he is using here to paint Ms. West &#8212; of Goldberg&#8217;s book he writes, &#8220;&#8230;he strains and pushes his evidence too far&#8221;.</p>
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