An Undeserved Apology to Islamist Turkey


Thanks to President Barack Obama, Turkey’s Islamist Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan extorted an undeserved apology from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in return for promising to restore normalized diplomatic relations with Israel and dropping trumped up charges against Israeli military personnel. After exacting his pound of flesh, Erdogan then began to backtrack on both of his own promises.

Before departing Israel for Jordan on the last leg of his trip to the Middle East, President Obama arranged for Prime Minister Netanyahu to submit to Erdogan’s demand to apologize for the deaths of eight Turkish nationals and one Turkish-American citizen resulting from Israel’s interdiction of the Mavi Marmara, a Turkish ship that was part of an anti-Israel activist flotilla attempting to break Israel’s lawful naval blockade of Gaza in 2010. Israel will also be paying several millions of dollars in compensation to the victims’ families.

“In light of the Israeli investigation into the incident, which pointed out several operational errors,” according to an Israeli government statement issued following the apology, “Prime Minister Netanyahu apologized to the Turkish people for any errors that could have led to loss of life and agreed to complete the agreement on compensation.”

Prime Minister Erdogan accepted the Israeli apology on behalf of the Turkish nation. Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said that Prime Minister Netanyahu’s apology, and his offer of compensation and to further ease restrictions along the Gaza border with Israel, satisfied all of Turkey’s demands. Erdogan himself reportedly delivered the message that Israel had acceded to his conditions in a call to Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal. But Erdogan did not wait long to draw back from his reciprocal promises to restore normal diplomatic relations and put an end to the legal proceedings against the Israeli soldiers who took part in the operation to prevent the Mavi Mamara from breaking Israel’s lawful naval blockade.

Just a day after receiving Netanyahu’s apology, Erdogan told Turkish reporters that it was too early to talk about dropping the Mavi Marmara case against the Israeli soldiers, and that normalizing diplomatic relations would come gradually. “We will see what will be put into practice during the process. If they move forward in a promising way, we will make our contribution. Then, there would be an exchange of ambassadors,” Erdogan said.

The spokesperson for UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon had issued a statement on the day of Israel’s apology last Friday stating, “The Secretary-General welcomes that Governments of Israel and Turkey have agreed to restore normal relations between them.”  When I asked him the following Monday whether he had any comment on Erdogan’s quick backtracking from his promises, the answer was “I don’t have anything further beyond the statement.”

Moreover, Erdogan failed to offer any apology of his own for his recent speech at a United Nations sponsored Alliance of Civilizations conference in Vienna, where he equated Zionism with fascism and characterized Jews’ quest for their own nation in their historic homeland as a “crime against humanity.” In fact, he said just days before Netanyahu’s apology that he stood by his remarks in Vienna, although he claimed they had been misunderstood.

What makes this forced submission to Erdogan’s demands, engineered by Obama, so galling, however, is not just Erdogan’s backtracking within 24 hours of receiving the apology he had demanded, or his refusal to back down from his blood libel against Zionism. Most galling is the evidence that Erdogan himself helped precipitate the Mavi Marmara episode with full knowledge that it could lead to the type of tragedy on board that ensued. The flotilla was not an innocent humanitarian mission, as the Islamists and their “useful idiot” supporters would have the world believe. Israel had proposed to transfer any humanitarian supplies into Gaza via its Mediterranean seaport of Ashdod, but was rebuffed by the Mavi Marmara crew.

The flotilla was organized, and the Mavi Marmara ship purchased, by the Turkish Islamist IHH organization which had about 40 of its operatives on the Mavi Marmara ship.  While the crew and passengers of the other five ships in the flotilla cooperated peacefully with Israel’s forces whom had boarded their ships and did not suffer any injuries, the IHH operatives aboard the Mavi Marmara were readying themselves for a fight.

IHH has close ties with Hamas and the Turkish government led by Erdogan, who reportedly saw the flotilla as an opportunity to goad Israel into a potentially embarrassing confrontation. If true, as appears to be the case, the evidence summarized below of the Erdogan regime’s part in the Mavi Marmara episode puts the onus of the deaths aboard the blockade-running ship squarely on Erdogan’s shoulders for which Erdogan, not Netanyahu, should apologize and make amends.

A 2010 report by the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center (ITIC), that relied in part on statements by Mavi Marmara passengers and computer files, stated:

According to statements from the passengers, Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan maintains close contacts with IHH. The flotilla set sail with the full knowledge and agreement of Erdogan, who expressed personal interest in its success and his intention to exploit it [sic] promote his status in Turkey and the Arab-Muslim world. Passengers said that before the flotilla set sail, Prime Minister Erdogan constructed a scenario based on a possible confrontation with Israel which he could use to further his own needs. The statements were supported by descriptions found in files on laptop computers belonging to the passengers.

A journalist on board the Mavi Marmara with “good connections with the heads of the Turkish government and with Bülent Yildirim, head of IHH” was quoted by the report as saying, “The Turkish government was behind the flotilla to the Gaza Strip and its objective was to embarrass Israel: ‘The Turks set a trap for you and you fell into it.’ The flotilla was organized with the support of the Turkish government and Prime Minister Erdogan gave the instructions for it to set sail. That was despite the fact that everyone knew it would never reach its destination.”

Additional evidence of the close links between the IHH and the Erdogan regime was found in computer files in laptops confiscated from Mavi Marmara passengers.

On board, according to the report, “the ordinary passengers were separated from the hard core of IHH operatives,” whom had been permitted to board the ship in Istanbul without undergoing a security check that the other passengers had to undergo. This supports the conclusion that the Erdogan regime was easing the way for the IHH operatives to board and assume control of the ship.

The IHH operatives had a free hand to prepare for a violent confrontation with the Israeli forces once they attempted to board the ship. The IHH operatives armed themselves, the report stated, with “cold weapons which had been collected and manufactured on board the ship,” including “knives, axes, tools, metal cables and metal clubs which had been sawed off the ship’s railings.”

The Israeli forces who boarded the Mavi Marmara did not draw lethal weapons as they began their mission, but had to resort to using live ammunition in self defense once they realized they were in severe danger of being killed. As recounted in Briefing Number 285 published by “Beyond Images,” the following is testimony from two Israeli soldiers included in the final report of the Turkel Commission, an independent Israeli panel which investigated the incident:

Israeli Soldier:  “Before I managed to touch my feet on the deck, about ten people jumped onto me and began brutally beating me from every direction using clubs, metal rods and fists…. At this stage I was not armed.

….A number of attackers grabbed me by the legs and my torso and threw me over the side to the deck below, about 3.5 meters.

Upon landing on the middle deck, I fractured my arm, and a mob of dozens of people attacked me and basically lynched me – including pulling off my helmet, strangling me, sticking fingers into my eyes to gouge them out of their sockets, pulling my limbs in every direction, striking me in an extremely harsh manner with clubs and metal rods, mostly on my head.   I truly felt that I was about to die, way beyond what we define as life-threatening.  The behaviour of the people at this stage was definitely like fighters of an enemy which has come to kill the other side, that is, me.   I felt at any moment I would take a blow to the head which would kill me…..”

Israeli Soldier:  “As I reached the deck, I saw a terrorist with an iron crowbar waiting to strike me on the head, but when he tried to hit me, I pushed him, and immediately another four terrorists jumped onto me while one of them wrapped the chain around my neck and strangled me. While I am struggling with them I thought of drawing my pistol but I felt that if I drew it, because they were up against me and kicking me, I wouldn’t be able to shoot and they would grab the pistol from me.  At this stage, I lost consciousness (apparently from the strangling – I saw stars) and when I awoke, I felt that I was in the air, and three/four terrorists are throwing me from the upper deck to the bridge deck.  I was very heavy, and I felt a very quick and forceful fall.  About 20 men were waiting for me there with poles, axes and more, and as I fell they grabbed me and dragged me inside the ship….”

In short, it would appear from the evidence that the tragic confrontation President Obama pressured Prime Minister Netanyahu into apologizing for was put into motion by the Hamas-allied Turkish Islamist IHH organization with the help of the Turkish prime minister to whom Netanyahu apologized. The IHH operatives intended to kill or seriously maim the Israeli soldiers who were attempting to carry out their mission as peacefully as had been accomplished successfully aboard the other flotilla vessels. But this would not faze Obama, our nation’s apologizer-in-chief, who has no problem with delivering his own mea culpas for the United States, as he demonstrated during his trip to Turkey at the beginning of his first term.

“The United States is still working through some of our own darker periods in our history,” President Obama told the Turkish Parliament in a speech he delivered in Ankara, Turkey on April 6, 2009. “Our country still struggles with the legacies of slavery and segregation, the past treatment of Native Americans… I know that the trust that binds the United States and Turkey has been strained, and I know that strain is shared in many places where the Muslim faith is practiced. We will be respectful, even when we do not agree. We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world — including in my own country.”"

Obama wanted to return home from his first presidential trip to Israel with a diplomatic feather in his cap. A restoration of relations between Israel and Turkey, gained by forcing Netanyahu to submit to Erdogan’s extortion with an apology, seemed to be the most achievable tangible accomplishment of a trip that consisted mostly of nice-sounding speeches and ceremonies. In doing so, however, Obama played right into Erdogan’s hands as the devious Turkish prime minister prepares to visit with the Hamas terrorists in Gaza next month.

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  • http://www.adinakutnicki.com AdinaK

    Spineless leaders always revert true to form. And as intelligent as Bibi is (an MIT grad too, a school dear to my heart), as good an orator too, the fact of the matter is that he ALWAYS caves.

    Need proof? Here is "just" a humiliating sampling – http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/11/23/spineless-lea

    Israel is led by a ship of fools, with Bibi as head fool – http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/07/15/israels-ship-

    And Israel's heroic soldiers, with Shayetet 13, the naval commandos who first boarded the terror laden Mavi Marmara with paint balls ( so ordered by DM Barak, a devoted leftist, but that's another story!) as focal point, what does Bibi do to reward their heroism? – http://adinakutnicki.com/2013/03/20/im-an-israeli

    And so much more….my heart is broken….but case closed.
    Adina Kutnicki, Israel http://adinakutnicki.com/about/

    • Bert

      In all this humiliation of Israel let us remember the disgraceful silence by the U.S Jewish leaders who always grovel and debase themselves. It could be argued that much of the danger to Israel and Jews comes from the moral rot among almost all of our Jewish leaders.

      • Melody

        I couldn't agree with you more, Bert. I am so sick of them being in the forefront of attacking anyone who stands up to Islam…always taking the "higher" road. But on Pollard…silence! They raise money to "educate" but raise nothing to help Israel! I think they are more a danger to our people than anyone. They leave the fighting to the Israelis…but then tie their hands.

        • defcon 4

          From what I understand Pollard is not the hero you think him to be. He sold out US secrets not only to Israel, but to OTHER countries.

          • EarlyBird

            Wow, Defcon, you actually made sense!

    • Choi

      This video from the series "THE FIRST WORLD WAR" -Chapter 4-"JIHAD" will show you the REAL Turkey: http://www.220.ro/documentare/The-First-World-War….

    • EarlyBird

      Grow up, Adina. Bibi made a very tepid apology, a statement of regret, to get something far more important for Israel, which is cooperation on intelligence and security with Turkey.

      You're all a bunch of hysterical infants.

      • ziontruth

        FOAD, EarlyBilge. Bibi made it clear, through both apology and willingness to pay compensation to the terrorists' families, that Israel is now the Doormat of the World; anyone attacking can rest assured that the Jewish State will apologize for being attacked.

        You pragmatists are the free world's undoing; you deserve to be tried for treason as much as do the Muslims.

      • Drakken

        There you go again, thinking that the turks are equal to us westerners in thought and ideas, when it is very clear they are not. In case it has escaped your notice sonny, the turks are going increasingly islamist to the point of being obvious about it. There is no cooperation and security with the turks and Israel anymore, those days are gone. Erdogan soured that relationship with islamic style. Look at your friends the turks and how they are treating the German and Dutch troops in southern turkey for a prime example of how the turks are going anti -western Europe. Think more and speak less, it will make you a little more smarter than you think you are.

        • EarlyBird

          I drew no moral equivalency between anyone. Turkey, good, bad or otherwise, is a partner for Israel security. Turkey is second only to the US in intelligence cooperation with Israel. Not every single person who practices Islam is a mortal enemy, you nut. There is a difference between Erdogan and an AQ terrorist.

          • defcon 4

            There's no difference in the Jew hatred taken as dogma by muslimes everywhere. It's an article of faith to islam. Where has any muslime anywhere condemned Muhammad's (PASBUH) actions in slaughtering/enslaving/deporting the ENTIRE jewish population of Soddy Barbaria? Where are the muslimes who repudiate the genocidal Jew hatred found in the hadith?

          • Drakken

            There is no security cooperation you effing dumbazz, there isn't any intelligence cooperation anymore,but you refuse to see what is clearly in front of you because you believe in unicorns and rainbows. Ilsam is our enemy, but you go ahead and keep beliving in COEXISTANCE when there isn't any.

          • EarlyBird

            There was cooperation on intelligence up until the incident on the Marvi…whatever. That's what broke the relationship. Bibi was trying to mend fences because working with Turkey on intelligence is more important to Israel than lumping all Muslims together with terrorists.

          • Drakken

            Just because you believe it, it doesn't make it true. There isn't mending fencs with the turks Sparky, that bridge is burned, period.

  • Forrelli

    How can Obama insist on Israel's apology to Turkey which is the country that committed genocide on millions of Armenians? This administration is incompetent and very obviously non-Christian in its decision-making.

    • Stan Lee

      Obama can do it because he has no frame of reference to such history, nor would he care to know the truth. Obama is dedicated to one thing and one thing only, Communism!

  • Ghostwriter

    It seems President Obama is in his own world,not ours. I wish he'd leave that world once in a while. It'd do him some good. We need leaders who live in the real world,not a fantasy one. President Obama,it seems,lives not in our world,but his.

  • Larry

    Bibi needs to come out in public and state in as many words "You know what, Erdogan, f*ck you and the dog you rode in on".

    Every time Israel makes a concession of any sort it gets thrown right back in their face, so it's about time Israel started withdrawing those concessions when it happens.

    • stan lee

      In my opinion, there's no doubt that Netanyahu yielded to extortion by Obama. He may have been willing to do so for a deal yet unrevealed, regarding military hardware from the Obama administration.
      We see that Erdogan is "walking back" on that telephone conversation made at the behest of Obama.
      Therefore, Turkey's attitude towards Israel won't change from what it was before that phone conversation.
      Netanyahu is no more obligated to any agreement than Erdogan and Obama forgot about the "do-gooder" phone call the very moment he left Israel's airspace. It should be known to those who still don't know that Obama is a chronic liar and charlatan.

  • http://twitter.com/BostonPoverty @BostonPoverty

    What's next for Obama? Make Rodney King apologize to the LAPD? Any honest observer looking at it sees you probably are getting ripped off on this one. Israelis landing on the deck paint ball guns blazing. They take a beating with metal poles meant to not just pacify but continues with intent to kill and maim. It goes on for a minute in this video. But you see how long a minute is when its something like this. Then you know someone's shooting because all of a sudden the Turks turn nice.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LulDJh4fWI

    Your public relations sucks. You never did really open it up to discussion and take it to the American people. It was all lobbying behind closed doors. Shutting out Ron Paul is a major error. He was the only one who defended Israel's right to bomb Saddam's nuclear program. I don't know what's going on at all over there but I am pretty sure there is probably some real dysfunction in Israeli strategic vision. And I suspect certain Israelis know and understand this. I bet that maybe within 20 years putting a guidance system on a home made rocket will be cheap and easy. Created from toy parts. I suspect, maybe, some Israelis see this as a real existential threat coming from Iran and its allies.

    • defcon 4

      Rodney King is dead. He drowned in his own swimming pool under highly suspicious circumstances.

  • EamonnDublin

    What REALLY upsets me is that the United States' electorate voted this excuse for a President into the position in the first instance. What on earth were they thinking of? Here in Ireland, months before Obama was first elected, I said publicly that I would "eat my pants on live TV" if he were to be elected. Surely the people of the United States should have known better? By the way, I reneged on MY promise, so perhaps I should keep quiet!!! Éamonn, Dublin, Ireland.

    • ziontruth

      He wooed the populace by the promises of ObamaPhonem Et Circenses, and his faithful lapdog media took care of the criticism by either spiking it (as with Benghazi) or using the Race Card at every opportunity.

      In a sane world, a Marxist would never be allowed to run for political office in the first place.

      • EarlyBird

        Glad to see that a Greater Israel theo-fascist is speaking to a Irishman. I've often drawn parallels between the Troubles and the whole Pal-Israeli conflict.

        Imagine if Irish-Americans (my people) were so powerful politically in the US that they could contort and dictate our entire relationship with England, on behalf of Irish Catholics, and our entire foreign policy with England and much of Western Europe was perverted by this small but powerful clique of Irish-American "Ireland Firsters."

        We'll, we'd be bombing England and invading Wales or something, and sending Ireland $3+ billion dollars a year to subsidize its military hegemony, and we'd be hated by most of the world for it. But Irishmen would be a lot more grateful.

        • defcon 4

          I'll bet your only Irish, by way of Ankara…

          • ÉamonnDublin

            Hi "Defcon 4" – I assume you are taliking to "EarlyBird". Éamonn.

        • ÉamonnDublin

          Hey there, "EarlyBird" – I'd advise you to start writing even earlier in the day – before the drink starts to take hold. Éamonn.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "I've often drawn parallels between the Troubles and the whole Pal-Israeli conflict. "

          Wow. Fallacies Are Us. You're very productive.

          "We'll, we'd be bombing England and invading Wales or something, and sending Ireland $3+ billion dollars a year to subsidize its military hegemony, and we'd be hated by most of the world for it. But Irishmen would be a lot more grateful."

          Dude. Facts matter. Stop the fantasy "imagine if" because we really don't care about your imagination that always seems to lead to bogus analysis. It's hard for me to believe that anyone could be both as dense as you and as confident that his ideas had merit.

    • greg Z

      Please don't waste your pants on a waste of space named Obama. If he wanted a feather to stick, shove it not in his hat but in hi A$$!!!

  • benyomin1

    Well written article. You're right Bibi fell right into a trap. However, I feel Obama has a definite agenda. He's begun to activate the liberal wing of the Israeli populace who are willing to put Israel's security in the hands of a non-Israeli for the sake of peace. He's strengthened the hand of Erdogan. Mr. Obama's goal is to create peace in the Middle East on HIS TERMS. That way he can accomplish what no other man in human history has accomplished… PEACE. And the whole world will laud him and hail him as the great Messiah. "Who cares about his lies and deceptions when he can achieve Peace?" We've seen step one in a series of moves that will bring this about.__Check out my never visited blog at bennysopinions.blogspot.com

    • greg Z

      You forgot to include the punch line

  • richard sherman

    YONI NETANYAHU gave his life in 1976 at Entebbe to defend the cause of Zionism . His brother apologizes to a Turkish subhuman sociopath who declared Zionism a "crime against humanity". Hashem will NEVER forgive BIBI.

    • EarlyBird

      "Subhuman." Sorta like the Nazis considered Jews. Hmmm…..

      • ziontruth

        You go kissing Muslim derriere, EarlyBilge.

      • Drakken

        Well early they way you suck islamic d*ck , sub human is an appriate term and then sum.

      • defcon 4

        Kinda like the Turkish islamofascists consider everyone non-muslime eh ErlyTurd?

      • objectivefactsmatter

        ""Subhuman." Sorta like the Nazis considered Jews. Hmmm….."

        Except that it's not. German Nazis tried to use bogus scientific arguments and publicized it with national or even international campaigns and had an extermination program to back it up.

        For Richard and others It's clearly (to normal people) rhetoric that speaks about behavior, not race.

        Not that you'd ever know the difference even after I explain it.

        • EarlyBird

          You're all idiots.

          • defcon 4

            LOL, would that be because we're unbelieving kafir?

          • Drakken

            Look in the mirror shortbus.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "You're all idiots."

            You are stunning in your inability to recognize your own limits. You keep bumping your head in to the wall and you blame the building.

  • adamjw2

    Joseph- While this article does a great job providing background on the flotilla ordeal and justifying the Israeli forces' reaction, it didn't explain why Netanyahu apologized now.

    I understand Obama likely urged him to apologize, but why would Bibi finally apologize when the whole time he knows they did nothing wrong. What has changed? What difference does it make that Obama thinks they should apologize? Obama has thought that from the beginning, no doubt. So how does this benefit Netanyahu or the Israelis to take responsibility?

    I'm struggling to understand the motive for this action.

    • stern

      Adam, we have to hope that there was some very compelling reason, that Obama offered Bib something he couldn't refuse, that made this grovelling worthwhile. It's only a hope, but like you, I find it almost impossible to believe that Bib would cave in this way for no reason.

      • defcon 4

        Blackmail anyone?

        • EarlyBird

          Getting Turkey to cooperate with Israel again on regional security, anyone? Getting cooperation on Syria, anyone? Bibi being an intelligent, grown man willing to swallow his pride to do something good for his country, anyone?

          • ziontruth

            "Getting Turkey to cooperate with Israel again on regional security, anyone?"

            That's a mistake all on its own! If he had any sense, he'd understand the folly of Israel maintaining any sort of relationship with a Muslim-majority state! Muslims ARE Israel's enemies, by definition!!!

            "Bibi being an intelligent, grown man willing to swallow his pride…"

            An appeasing coward and a naif who thinks pragmatism is the be-all and end-all of national existence, more like.

          • EarlyBird

            Not every single one, Zion. I know it's more simple to write off 1.5 billion human beings as blood red, mortal enemies, and to demand the US military kill them all off for Israel, but that's evil and stupid, like you.

          • Drakken

            Again your wishful thinking is what fills mass graves, but hey if it makes you feel good, you go for it.

          • EarlyBird

            Differentiating between governments we don't particularly like but share mutual interests with (Turkey), versus those governments which are in fact active enemies of ours (Iran, North Korea) does not fill mass graves. Being hysterical pants wetters is what makes us do stupid things that leads to graves filled with masses of Americans.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "I know it's more simple to write off 1.5 billion human beings as blood red, mortal enemies,"

            No. There are 1.5 billion potential enemies because of ideology.

            Get it straight.

            "..and to demand the US military kill them all off for Israel"

            Supporting decisive Israeli military victory in Israel to you is advocating that the US military murder all 1.5 billion worldwide Muslims?

            Some day you may see why we all laugh at you.

          • defcon 4

            "Muslim-majority" state is the understatement of the century. Only 2% of Turkey's inhabitants are non-muslim.

          • EarlyBird

            A total non-sequitor. If only most of the Muslim world's governments were run like that of Turkey's, we'd be in fine shape.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "A total non-sequitor. If only most of the Muslim world's governments were run like that of Turkey's, we'd be in fine shape."

            Because of the circumstances that ended WWI. The trend is that they'll be like the Saudi before a few generations pass. Not that you'd even begin to understand the facts and analysis leading to that statement. You can't even get through remedial Islam tutorials.

            Wait…we're all evolving so therefore it's impossible for Turkey to slide back in to sharia because of Darwin's law.

          • Drakken

            You keep wishing rainbows and unicorns don't you? What Israel did was signal to the rest of the savages was weakness.

          • defcon 4

            Yes, just like Turkey cooperated in getting justice for the two synagogues blown up (and 26 people killed) in Turkey some ten years ago. A justice that included prison terms of three to six years for the Turkish muslimes responsible. I also believe the synagogues were never rebuilt, because rebuilding religious structures of a non-muslime kind requires islamofascist government approval in Turkey.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "…just like Turkey cooperated in getting justice…"

            Turkey is all about Islamic justice. Apparently so is 0'Bama. I guess the early bird is a sucker for Islamic justice.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Getting Turkey to cooperate with Israel again on regional security, anyone?"

            I'll sell you the Golden Gate Bridge for $1000.

            "Getting cooperation on Syria"

            Israel apologizes so now Turkey and 0'Bama consider Israel more important than other Sunni allies? And it's not like it's unheard of for jihadis to lie and break every promise.

            No Israeli should ever deliver on any agreement until it receives full value on the promise in advance. Actually any sane party would insist on the same terms.

          • EarlyBird

            Pay attention, little boy:

            Turkey is Israel's second-best intelligence partner. The incident on the ship to Gaza was a big blow to that cooperation. Local Turkish politics requires Erdogan to extract the very tepid apology from Israel to be able to re-open said intelligence cooperation. Both countries have a very big interest in what goes on in Syria, Israel more than Turkey.

            So Netanyahu gave that simple apology, over the howls of infants like you, to improve security outcomes for Syria.

            Put another way, stupid, it's call being an adult.

          • EarlyBird

            "…improve security outcomes for Israel." is of course what I meant.

          • defcon 4

            Um, I'd like to see some proof of your assertion that "Turkey is Israel's second-best intel partner." But only because I think it's a pile of steaming BS.

          • EarlyBird

            Do your own homework, numbnuts. I'm not here to provide remedial lessons on Israel's intelligence alliances.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Do your own homework, numbnuts. I'm not here to provide remedial lessons on Israel's intelligence alliances."

            EarlyBird is the second dumbest commentator to ever use the Internet. Do your own research. I'm not here to back up my statements with evidence.

          • Drakken

            How can I put this nicely, oh yeah, there is no security or intelligence cooperation anymore you effing moron, the turks cut it off since they sent that peace boat to sucker the Israelis.

          • EarlyBird

            Duh….that's why Bibi apologized, to fix the problem, General Drakken.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Duh….that's why Bibi apologized, to fix the problem, General Drakken."

            Duh, the "incident" was just an excuse and was caused by Turkey, not Israel. It didn't "just happen."

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Turkey is Israel's second-best intelligence partner. The incident on the ship to Gaza was a big blow to that cooperation."

            You read a few shallow articles and think you can contribute to the discussion. The "Gaza incident" was just some spontaneous event huh? Things would be just fine if Israel hadn't blown it.

            There's little point in arguing with you.

            "Local Turkish politics…"

            Local to who?

            "…requires Erdogan to extract the very tepid apology from Israel to be able to re-open said intelligence cooperation. Both countries have a very big interest in what goes on in Syria, Israel more than Turkey."

            Turkey is a malicious player and an enemy of Israel and the West. They simply haven't come out of the closet completely…yet.

            "So Netanyahu gave that simple apology, over the howls of infants like you, to improve security outcomes for Syria."

            Retread, the only thing that matters to the West (USA and Israel minus leftists) is containing WMDs and keeping Sunnis at bay. Turkey doesn't care about jihadis getting WMDs and wants to expand Sunni-Turkish hegemony at the expense of the Shia (or any non-Sunni). They're not even on our side…except that they have a Sunni infiltrator as POTUS to deceive the likes of you.

            Your analysis comes from being ill-informed and thick-headed.

    • Mark

      The motive is simple. Bibi knows Israel cannot win another war against the Arab entities (heh, heh) should they launch another all out war against Israel unless the U.S. comes to Israel's defense. Obama has Bibi by the balls. Obama is doing all in his power to weaken Israel's supporters in the U.S. and those in Israel who understand the threat to Israel's right to defend itself like any other nation.

      • ziontruth

        "Bibi knows Israel cannot win another war against the Arab entities … unless the U.S. comes to Israel's defense."

        Bibi doesn't know this, he believes it. He—and anyone who believes so—is mistaken in that belief. In Israel's dire strait, America won't be there to help. Then the world will see who really is the One Whom the Jews are dependent upon for their salvation!

      • defcon 4

        If Israel were to lose, the muslimes in the Mid-East would experience a well deserved nuclear enlightenment.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "The motive is simple. Bibi knows Israel cannot win another war against the Arab entities (heh, heh) should they launch another all out war against Israel unless the U.S. comes to Israel's defense."

        He might worry about diplomacy but Israel is not dependent on 0'Bama directly. Israel gets what it needs from Congress which is the way the US should operate. Just in case a traitor gets elected, we have balance of powers.

        • EarlyBird

          An American can not be a traitor against Israel, no matter what the Israel First lobby says. Get it?

          • Drakken

            Obviously you don't.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "An American can not be a traitor against Israel"

            I didn't say "traitor to Israel as POTUS."

            Damn. You must have a lot of bumps on your head.

    • mohabib92

      may peace be upon you,
      i fail to understand the attention that is given to the apology, an apology that was due the night the flotilla was attacked. Obama or whoever made him apologize did the right thing. The israeli military attacked an unarmed flotilla carrying aid to the piece of strip israel continually oppresses. What, were they carrying food and medicine of mass destruction against israel??? are you kidding me. MAY ALLAH guide you all, peace be upon you

  • guest

    The last thing you can trust is a muzz bro hood government.

    I apologize for Obama being a muslim and his ramming islam down your throat……

    • EarlyBird

      You are stupid.

      • defcon 4

        What did the idiot write?

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "What did the idiot write?"

          The pot called someone a pot.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "You are stupid."

        Readers can decide who that applies to.

  • rbla

    Our Kenyan president once again shows the truth of King Solomon's proverb that there is no worse disaster than "the servant when he reigneth".

  • watsa46

    Pragmatism!
    Turkey is also in a very tough area! Erdo will get away with his game.

  • Choi

    This video from the series "THE FIRST WORLD WAR" -Chapter 4-"JIHAD" will show you the REAL Turkey: http://www.220.ro/documentare/The-First-World-War

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "This video from the series "THE FIRST WORLD WAR" -Chapter 4-"JIHAD" will show you the REAL Turkey:"

      They're certainly devolving that way. Maybe they've already arrived and all we need is a declaration of Jihad through open warfare in the name of the new caliph.

  • SHmuelHalevi

    Regretfully Netanyahu is a very bad leader for the Jewish people. He is a very dangerous, weak and untrustworthy person. It is not the first abominable betrayal on his part and as long as he remains in power far more damaging acts will follow.

    • ziontruth

      The Israel Jewish populace elects the de-jure Right and gets a de-facto Left every time. Every single time. From Begin onward, consistently.

      • EarlyBird

        There is something called "familiarity bias," which is that people think there are a lot more people jus like them politically than there are. You seem to believe the mass of Israelis are like you, who want to obliterate the notion of a two state peace settlement and achieve Greater Israel.

        You would know your country better than me, but every poll I read suggests that there is a broad hopeful middle who still believes that some two state solution can be had, and who are against the bloody, apocalyptic fantasies of the Greater Israel "solution to the Palestinian Problem."

        • defcon 4

          LOL, gee the charter of Hamas specifically calls for a genocide of Jews (as per an "authoritative" hadith) and the destruction of Israel. Fatah has never denounced the contents of the charter. So what were you saying about a "two state peace settlement" again?

          • EarlyBird

            I'm saying that most Israelis are unlike genocidal madmen like Hamas, et al., and Ziontruth and his fellow theo-fascist maniacs. They are flip sides of the same coin.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "I'm saying that most Israelis are unlike genocidal madmen like Hamas, et al., and Ziontruth and his fellow theo-fascist maniacs. They are flip sides of the same coin."

            Full-stop moral equivalence fallacy. You're insane.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "There is something called "familiarity bias,""

          That's some amazing insight in how your brain operates. You're quite the sophisticated bird-brain.

  • maybeushouldtravel

    There's nothing "Islamist" about Turkey, it's probably even more secular than the U.S. is, I just got back from visiting, beautiful country, friendly people. You can hear the muslim call to prayer 5 times a day from pretty much anywhere in Turkey, but only abot 5% of the poplution goes to mosque with any frequency.

    • stern

      And yet they voted in an Islamist party. Guess you missed that. perhaps ushouldtravel with a more open mind.

      • EarlyBird

        They are not "Islamist" as in "chop of the heads of infidels!" Islamist. In the same way that conservative Christians have a lot of sway in American national politics, so do conservative Muslims in Turkey.

        I am NOT making comparisons between the two religions: I am pointing out that the Muslim politicians in Turkey no more want to replace Turkish law and government with Sharia, any more than fundamentalist Christian politicians want to undo the Constitution with the Bible. In both countries religion is a force.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "They are not "Islamist" as in "chop of the heads of infidels!" Islamist."

          Whatever that is supposed to mean. They aren't Saudi Arabia yet. Is that what you mean? They wear Western clothing. Impressive distinctions. Do they jail dissenters who insult "Islam?" Yes they do. Are they pursuing an expansionist policy for Islamic hegemony? Yes they are.

          Is your idol 0'Bama helping them? Yes he is. Is that why you love them? Yes indeed.

          Does Barry answer any of your love letters?

          "I am pointing out that the Muslim politicians in Turkey no more want to replace Turkish law and government with Sharia, any more than fundamentalist Christian politicians want to undo the Constitution with the Bible."

          That's false. Ever take a flight to Turkey? Sharia law starts the moment you enter their airspace. They just haven't done away with the quasi-secular constitution entirely…yet.

          • EarlyBird

            "That's false. Ever take a flight to Turkey? Sharia law starts the moment you enter their airspace. They just haven't done away with the quasi-secular constitution entirely…yet."

            Yes, in fact I actually lived there for two years, and know that you're full of s h i t.

          • Drakken

            Back in the 80's you lived there shortbus, it has changed quite a bit since then.

          • EarlyBird

            When were you last there, Killer?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "When were you last there, Killer?"

            The point is we're talking about what exists now and what the trend is you retread.

          • Drakken

            Stayed in Constantinople and down the coast this past summer, glad to be of help.

          • objectivefactsmatter
      • maybeushouldtravel

        well then according to your argument, and I imagine you despise Obama, Americans are all crazy because the majority voted for him is that right?

        Erdogan won because he has the support of rural/conservative Turks, and his party got 49.83 of the popular vote, that's not exactly half the population, he simply won the most compared to the 3 other parties and independents.

        perhaps you should learn more about how other nation's elect a prime minister.

        • maybeushouldtravel

          the response above was for Stern, not for EarlyBird, EarlyBird is right, Stern is simpleminded.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "well then according to your argument, and I imagine you despise Obama, Americans are all crazy because the majority voted for him is that right?"

          I'm going to need to see your math calculations. According to his argument, a majority of Turks elected an openly Islamist leader. In the USA, it was mostly leftist dupes. They may all be just as stupid if that's your point.

    • EarlyBird

      I was stationed there for a couple of years in the '80s, and fell in love with Turkey and the Turks.

      • Drakken

        The 80's were a hell of lot diferent than it is now, and so is Turkey.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "The 80's were a hell of lot diferent than it is now, and so is Turkey."

          It's like this EB clown wants us to embarrass him. I swear I don't pay him to look stupid.

          • Drakken

            That clown just makes it too easy, I almost feel sorry for him, for pointing out his stupidity on steroids and his wihful thinking. Well almost.

          • EarlyBird

            "That clown just makes it too easy…"

            Hah! This from Drakken, whose own military glory seems to grow with every post. You've gone from "doing security" somewhere in the Middle East, to being a career Gunny Seargent in the USMC in the '80s, to being some battle hardened veteran slayer of Muslim "savages."

            I've told you before, Drakk: just because you've read every issue of Soldier of Fortune back to back since 1973 doesnt' actually make you a veteran.

          • Drakken

            Well Remf , my showershoe has more time in the ME than you do, I have doing this for more than a few years, versus you sitting behind a desk in a reseach facitily. So keep trying REMF.

          • EarlyBird

            Oh, so you're backing off your claims of a being a hardened "savage" killer. Good for you. Hey, there's nothing to be ashamed of having been a marine MP stationed on a ship in the Gulf for a few months.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Oh, so you're backing off your claims of a being a hardened "savage" killer. Good for you. Hey, there's nothing to be ashamed of having been a marine MP stationed on a ship in the Gulf for a few months."

            You're delusions are so boring. You have zero credibility. You live in a fantasy land. We don't care what you think. At all.

      • defcon 4

        Then why don't you go back there? Just for laughs try criticising islam or muhammad publicly, after all Turkey is a "secular" country right?

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "Then why don't you go back there? Just for laughs try criticising islam or muhammad publicly, after all Turkey is a "secular" country right?"

          Yeah, their constitution and political structures are "just like the USA." I'm sure he won't have any problems there.

          • EarlyBird

            You're welcome to direct me to the quote where I said the constitution and political structures are "just like the USA." But you can't.

            You're getting desperate, silly boy!

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "You're welcome to direct me to the quote where I said the constitution and political structures are "just like the USA." But you can't. "

            It was implied:

            EB spew: They are not "Islamist" as in "chop of the heads of infidels!" Islamist. In the same way that conservative Christians have a lot of sway in American national politics, so do conservative Muslims in Turkey.

            I am NOT making comparisons between the two religions: I am pointing out that the Muslim politicians in Turkey no more want to replace Turkish law and government with Sharia, any more than fundamentalist Christian politicians want to undo the Constitution with the Bible. In both countries religion is a force.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "I was stationed there for a couple of years in the '80s, and fell in love with Turkey and the Turks."

        This disqualifies you even further from commenting on contemporary events there. You're a proud dupe. And it seems you're proud to follow your emotions while ignoring factual evidence.

        • EarlyBird

          "And it seems you're proud to follow your emotions while ignoring factual evidence."

          Hah! This from Mister Let's Do Iraq Again, but In Iran! Mister the reason we lost Vietnam was cuz the Left! Mister every 1.5 billion Muslims are our sworn enemies.

          You're a buffoon.

          • Drakken

            Well go ahead and side with the muzzys then, you seem to carry quite a bit of water for the savages. Yes islam is our enemy, but your too dumb to see it.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "You're a buffoon."

            I've never met or heard of anyone with such pride at his poor ability to comprehend and reply with reasonable statements.

    • ziontruth

      "There's nothing 'Islamist' about Turkey, it's probably even more secular than the U.S. is,"

      This is not for the Jewish State to care about; only the fact that that country is one of the leading anti-Zionist forces. The reason is immaterial.

      Turkey must turn away from anti-Zionism or it will be destroyed—whether by God's retribution directly or by the Samson Option.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "This is not for the Jewish State to care about; only the fact that that country is one of the leading anti-Zionist forces. The reason is immaterial."

        I disagree because the motives also point to who they collaborate with.

      • EarlyBird

        Zion, how many times a day do you watch "Inglorious Bastards"?

    • Drakken

      The city areas where you go are semi secular, the countryside where Erdogan gets his islamist support. The army now has been undermined and will follow your good islamist friends right to the end now.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "The city areas where you go are semi secular, the countryside where Erdogan gets his islamist support."

        Think about it: Early Bird can't even comprehend the things we patiently explain in English. How is he going to figure out anything more complicated than ordering Turkish street food? But he'll use the tasty experience as evidence that Turkey is secular.

        • Drakken

          I'll tell what his problem is in one word, Berserkly!

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "I'll tell what his problem is in one word, Berserkly!"

            I'm sorry to say I'm well aware of the epicenter of leftist lunacy in Ca. and maybe the entire world. Only there can EB considered "conservative."

        • EarlyBird

          Idiot, you can't even quote me correctly. I have no idea whose quote that is above.

          Secondly, find a place where I stated or implied that Turkey is "secular." The government IS secular undoubtedly, and as I stated, the society is religious. Both actually can exist hand in hand, you ignorant bigot.

          Just because you imagine any country with a Muslim population as living under Sharia law is your problem, and evidence of your ignorance. Try getting out of the Midwest some day.

          • Drakken

            You certainly throw your Berserkly creds out there for everyone to see when you throw down the race and bigotry cards, hint Sparky, they have zero meaning anymore because libtards like you have abused them to shut down any debate. So get bent muzzy lover.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Secondly, find a place where I stated or implied that Turkey is "secular." The government IS secular undoubtedly, and as I stated, the society is religious. Both actually can exist hand in hand, you ignorant bigot. "

            A secular state is one that ensures religion doesn't systemically influence politics. They have a nominally secular constitution but Islam has crept back in.

            I say that only for other readers. These words are certainly wasted on you personally.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Just because you imagine any country with a Muslim population as living under Sharia law is your problem…"

            Your problem (among many) is that you think you understand what we're talking about. There is no single "sharia implementation." If the intent is to follow sharia, it's a process. And once the intent is there the obligation is to strive for 100% compliance which is impossible.

            We're talking about trends and intentions. And most relevant to the discussion is the fact that sharia is easiest to implement in foreign policy. You have a lot less resistance.

            That is the point. That is why we're discussing it.

            OK retread? I don't care who gets served alcohol on what airline. The point is that they are trying to roll out sharia as fast as they can, and that is their intention. Just as Egypt is but they had a much quieter revolution in Turkey and thus have less inertia. They haven't been able to justify throwing out the imposed constitution…yet.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Try getting out of the Midwest some day."

            I'm 100% certain I know more about California culture and any global culture than you do.

          • Drakken

            Simple reasoning skills and simple observation, plus experience have been totally lost on that guy.

    • defcon 4

      And you can't hear church bells or the sounding of shofar anywhere — because it's ILLEGAL.

      • maybeushouldtravel

        really? show me such legislation. Have you ever been to Turkey? Like any other country it has a lot of issues, including religious discrimination. But there's no law on the books banning other religions from public practice, in fact its constitution is very clear about religious freedom.
        You're clearly talking out of your a#s.

    • defcon 4

      Tell that to the families of the 2.5 million Armenian and Assyrian Christians slaughtered by islamofascist Turks (and denied to this day), tell that to the non-muslim Cypriots ethnically cleansed from 40% of Cyprus following islamofascist Turkey's invasion there. Tell it to the fast vanishing Christian and Jewish population there, who may not ring church bells or sound the shofar.

  • marios

    It is irrelevant how many Muslims are considered radical. Muslims are Muslims and if they follow Koran "War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216 ". Germany was civilized country but when In 1930th Hitler seized Power all nation became Nazis. Passive majority is always irrelevant and only active 5-10% are defined face of nation. Never believe Muslims as by Koran they have to deceive infidels to promote Islam.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "It is irrelevant how many Muslims are considered radical."

      The MB are moderates. Why? We have no photos of them with stinger missiles or explosives. They wear suits and send the "radicals" on their missions to do that part.

      All praise the moderates. Good thing the 0'Bama is helping them build the caliphate so the whole world can experience "Islamic peace" and "Islamic justice" under "moderate" sharia rule.

  • marios

    Obama's Cairo speech triggered the radicalization of the ME. Regime's of dictators but pro-Western dictators as Mubarak (Egypt) or Saleh (Tunisia) or even Kaddafi frightened by Saddam Hussein end were much better for Western world and for our country than MBrothers, sallafits or Al -Qaida who is in Power or fight to grab Power. Israel was never had peaceful neighbors but threaten ten-folded now. It was Obama's goal. Now when Islamo-fascists salafits and Al-Qaida in Syria with its chemical weapons threaten by war to Israel and plus Iran whom Obama gave time to come very close to get nuclear bomb he black mailed Bibi. I believe that is why Bibi gave up and apologized. He is leader of nation and he is responsible leader. it is so easy to blame him but in such risky situation he choose what seemed to be necessary. On the other hand Bibi can take back his words about at least financial compensation. Obama is threat to all of us and his deeds led us to WWIII.

    • EarlyBird

      No, the Muslim world has been inflamed for decades, long before anyone knew the name "Obama." His Cairo speech didn't transform the Arab Muslim world, or crack it open.

      So much of the rage directed at the West and the US is due to our having propped up dictators for decades which "…were much better for Western world and for our country…." and terrible for the millions of people living under those regimes.

      That genie is out of the bottle. The days of the West controlling the Middle East, to install the dictators we prefer to keep down the ones we are afraid of, is over.

      Obama didn't do anything but recognize the time we live in, thank God.

      • ziontruth

        "So much of the rage directed at the West and the US is due to our having propped up dictators for decades…"

        An excuse and nothing more than that. The rage directed at the West and the U.S. is for being both non-Muslim and rich while the Islamic world languishes in its inbred poverty.

        "The days of the West controlling the Middle East, to install the dictators we prefer to keep down the ones we are afraid of, is over."

        Agreed. Now is the time for the West and all non-Muslim countries to expel en masse the columns of Muslim invader-immigrants from their soil. Now it is the Muslims who are the colonizers and imperialists, and the West that is being colonized and invaded; the boot is on the other foot.

        "Obama didn't do anything but recognize the time we live in, thank God."

        Neither you nor Obama, being the Muslim derriere-kissers you are, recognize the time we live in. If you did, you'd stand up for your own nations instead of blaming them for Islamic imperialist aggression.

        • EarlyBird

          Zion, one of the major reasons the hatred for the US is so acute is our unwaivering support and direct subsidization of your military hegemony. It's why we have a big, fat target on our back, you miserable, ungrateful little nit. You're welcome.

          The rest of your screed reads like something out of a Munich beer hall, circa 1933. Go away, you fascist.

          • defcon 4

            Ah the ole blame the Jews screed transparently concealed as being anti-Zionist.

          • Drakken

            More words of wisdom from a name calling libtard, how quaint.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Zion, one of the major reasons the hatred for the US is so acute is our unwaivering support and direct subsidization of your military hegemony. It's why we have a big, fat target on our back, you miserable, ungrateful little nit. You're welcome. "

            More from the insane bird. OK. So We support the good guys against evil jihadis and because they don't lose, the good guys are hated.

            Who cares then? You've simply testified that in your opinion the world must be evil.

            "The rest of your screed reads like something out of a Munich beer hall, circa 1933. Go away, you fascist."

            Everyone who disagrees with you is considered a German Nazi. That helps us calibrate your thinking.

      • Drakken

        What effing part of muslims are either under a semi-pro-western dictator versus run by a bunch of islamic theocratic savages don't you quite ge there Sparky? Your Berserkly leftist indroctrinated education is bloody obvious. So genius, what do you think is going to happen if King Abullah is overthrow in Jordan? More kumbaya and unicorns?

        • EarlyBird

          I think what is happening, and what is likely to continue happening for decades, is lots of tumult in the Middle East. And?

          Whatcha so scared of tough guy? I thought you were this battle hardened Marine who drinks the blood of "savages." Nobody is saying that unicorns and rainbows are appearing or will appear: intelligent people are watching a whole mass society, a big swath of the world, working out how they want to live, finally without interference and someone in the West to blame for their misery. Finally.

          And the US can contain these backwards people. Stop wetting yourself. You sound like a scared old lady.

          Do you know, for instance, that the anti-MB Egyptians, which there are a LOT of (Morsi barely has control), do NOT blame the US for "installing" Morsi?

          • Drakken

            Because you effing dumbazz, it is going to spill over into our western countries, listen well REMF, war is coming and if you can't see it, your dumber than a bag of hammers.

          • EarlyBird

            Oh you just can't wait for war to come. That's what happens when you chain watch "Saving Private Ryan," and fantasize of war glory. You love war, because you've never been in it.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Oh you just can't wait for war to come…"

            If war is coming, it is better to control the timeline rather than wait to be victimized by listening to airheads like you.

          • Drakken

            Talking to you REMF, is like talking to the bloody wall and same result. We who you will side with, and it ain't us.

      • defcon 4

        The Arab muslime world has been oppressing and persecuting Christians, Bahai, Druze and Jews for centuries, so I suppose you're right, the zero didn't transform the "Arab" muslime world much did he? Just ask the nearly one million Jews purged from the islamofascist states of the Mid-East, or the Bahais, or the Christians, or the Druze…

        • EarlyBird

          Exactly, Defcon. Mario writes as if the Muslim world was peaceful until Obama got into office and made one speech. The dude is hysterical.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Mario writes as if the Muslim world was peaceful until Obama got into office and made one speech."

            Relatively speaking they were.

            You write as if it's OK to lie and encourage our mortal enemies and then give them our best military hardware as a reward for…succeeding in expanding sharia and Sunni hegemony.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "No, the Muslim world has been inflamed for decades, long before anyone knew the name "Obama."

        He didn't say it inflamed them. It emboldened them.

        "His Cairo speech didn't transform the Arab Muslim world, or crack it open. "

        It signaled the MB you maroon that it was time to move because the US would reverse it's positions regarding superficially respectable Islamists.

        "So much of the rage directed at the West and the US is due to our having propped up dictators for decades which "…were much better for Western world and for our country…." and terrible for the millions of people living under those regimes."

        If people are enraged unreasonably, the thing to do is patiently explain to them our justifications. But you and many other leftists think we have to adjust everything until our (unreasonable and irrational lying) enemies are happy.

        "That genie is out of the bottle. The days of the West controlling the Middle East, to install the dictators we prefer to keep down the ones we are afraid of, is over. "

        Whether or not that's true, it's no reason to start propagating their lies and appeasing them.

        "Obama didn't do anything but recognize the time we live in, thank God."

        And you will probably remain clueless forever. The time we live in is the time to appease liars by publicly accepting their lies? You'll love it when your god Satan arrives.

        • EarlyBird

          OFM, I've called you "stupid" at times, out of frustration, but that's not fair. You're not stupid, you're simple.

          You've illustrated many times that you are incapable of rational threat assessment (see your child-like view of Iran and your fantasy "solution"). You consider every regime we don't like an existential threat, the only acceptable attitude for another nation one of passionate pro-Americanism.

          Just imagine we "allow" the Arab Muslim world to finally get the Western monkey off of its back, that we don't declare ourselves enemy of say, Egypt, just because the MB is now in power. Imagine how that undercuts support that Morsi could otherwise have by rallying the entire nation against the big American bully! The many anti-MB Egyptians do NOT blame the US for either crushing the revolution OR putting Morsi "in." That's huge.

          Stop with the hysteria and threat inflation. There is nothing worse for Morsi, Iran, etc., internally, than a US which sends the message loud and clear: "Don't be afraid of us." Think harder.

          • defcon 4

            Yes, the US should support the islamofascists in their persecution of Coptic Christians and women! After all, allah knows best, doesn't he Mehmet?

          • EarlyBird

            Nope. Not being a declared enemy does not mean we have to support them either. Time to grow up.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Nope. Not being a declared enemy does not mean we have to support them either. Time to grow up"

            You can't even make up your own mind. Why does 0'Bama support our declared enemies? Because they only declare war on us in foreign languages. Thank goodness for that.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "You've illustrated many times that you are incapable of rational threat assessment (see your child-like view of Iran and your fantasy "solution"). You consider every regime we don't like an existential threat, the only acceptable attitude for another nation one of passionate pro-Americanism. "

            You've illustrated with every comment that you don't understand nuanced statements.

            "Just imagine we "allow" the Arab Muslim world to finally get the Western monkey off of its back, that we don't declare ourselves enemy of say, Egypt, just because the MB is now in power."

            We weren't a passive player you complete tool.

            "Imagine how that undercuts support that Morsi could otherwise have by rallying the entire nation against the big American bully!"

            Wow. Give in to the enemy in order to make the population feel love for us. That's amazing. You must pay jizya yourself and love that when they don't spit on you. You are obviously a man of the world who sees the big picture and all of the nuanced analysis.

            They love us when we pay:
            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/15/hillary-

            I guess we haven't paid enough yet to get that love you're looking for. Love-driven foreign policy. You're not a leftist.

            "The many anti-MB Egyptians do NOT blame the US for either crushing the revolution OR putting Morsi "in." That's huge."

            How huge is it? You're an idi – ot. Grievances you hear today are about political manipulation. Writing these leftist fantasies while claiming I'm simple is hilarious.

            "Stop with the hysteria and threat inflation. There is nothing worse for Morsi, Iran, etc., internally, than a US which sends the message loud and clear: "Don't be afraid of us."

            OMG. The people know why they should fear us. Most foreigners know more about our laws and customs than you do. They know Western justice. They either love it or they hate it. Siding with sharia is siding with the enemy. That part is simple. Most foreigners have a much better understanding of global politics than you do, or they don't care at all.

            Your analysis is nonsense as usual. These are arguments created to appease American dupes who might not want to hear the straight "social gospel" objectives.

  • LindaRivera

    The video and photos are on the internet of the Muslim savages attacking the IDF soldiers. The Muslim attackers MUST be tried in court!

    IDF, You are my HEROES!
    My love, best wishes and undying appreciation to the IDF – Wonderful DEFENDERS of the Free World's people!

    • EarlyBird

      The "savages" attacked the IDF commandos, because stupidly their commanders sent them rappeling onto a ship crowded with these "savages." The IDF wanted to show muscle, and they did, but they forgot to use brains too. They send a dozen guys dangling feet first into a crowd of enraged thugs? What were they thinking? They were thinking: "we're gonna show our guys in action and have an awesome raid for the television." What they did was put their soldiers into such a bad spot that they had to shoot.

      • ziontruth

        Should have torpedoed that ship, I agree.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "Should have torpedoed that ship, I agree."

          They were sufficiently outgunned to allow a closer fight and give the one chance to show up on the deck with their hands up. Then I'd use artillery failing immediate surrender. Torpedoes are stand-off weapons.

          Certainly boarding the boat before a clear, verifiable surrender was putting valuable Israeli lives at risk for no reason and the perfidy in the jihadi world is such that they should have been prepared for anything.

      • Drakken

        They went into it thinking tha nobody would attack them, I would have shot the whole bloody bunch of islamist savages and called it a day if that happened to my crew. First one down the rope and is met by one of them is shot on the way down.

      • defcon 4

        Interesting, the fact your muslime buddies attacked the IDF soldiers for merely boarding the ship doesn't seem to figure into your equation. If they were so peace loving why did they attack first? Would you mind if I brain you w/an iron bar?

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "Interesting, the fact your muslime buddies attacked the IDF soldiers for merely boarding the ship doesn't seem to figure into your equation."

          Any protected leftist class can do anything they want against hated non-leftists…especially confirmed Christians, Jews or white conservatives. Come to think of it, any open conservative seems to be fair game for physical attack without consequences to the "victim" class.

          The theory is that these people have not "evolved" and we need to wait another 700 years for them to behave as Westerners are expected to today. I'm not joking. That's really what leftists think. And if they're non-white, they never have to behave because the more advanced whites will always be ahead of the curve (and the non-leftists whites will be oppressing them).

          Leftism is not a religion of peace either.

        • EarlyBird

          Dude, you're thick. Where did I indicate that they were "peace loving"? In fact, I described them as "enraged thugs."

          Buddy, I can't do your thinking for you, okay?

          • defcon 4

            You assign the blame for the outcome not to the fact your fellow islamofascists attacked first but to the Israelis for provoking them. If they were so peaceful and innocent, why didn't they readily agree to the Israeli request to search the ship?

          • EarlyBird

            Fool, the IDF failed tactically. You don't send a dozen armed commandoes feet first onto a deck crowded with an armed mob and not expect shooting to start when that mob starts hitting them with iron bars, etc. The IDF forced a violent confrontation when they didn't need to. It was stupid. It blew up in their face, since the Islamists got a huge PR win out of that.

            There were a dozen ways they could have dealt with that ship from a distance.

  • LindaRivera

    Obama visits Israel and a major VICTORY for totalitarian, global Islam is achieved. Every non-Muslim is betrayed! Netanyahu apologized to Turkey for IDF Defenders of the Free World defending themselves from savage Muslim attackers (it's on video). Netanyahu agreed to pay compensation!

    The terrifying message to the world's Muslims is: You have the right to attack non-Muslim innocents and if non-Muslims defend themselves, non-Muslims will have to pay compensation. ENCOURAGING Muslims to increase their attacks on non-Muslims!

    The constant BETRAYALS by Western leaders must stop! We are in URGENT need of a new, strong, ETHICAL leader to arise who will defend and protect the Free World's non-Muslims!

    • EarlyBird

      Take a deep breath, Linda.

      • defcon 4

        Pull your head out of Uranus.

  • LindaRivera

    Why is VIOLENT War aggressor, Turkey, a member of NATO? End Muslim Turkey's ILLEGAL occupation of Cyprus!

    • ushouldtravelmore

      get an education Linda

      • LindaRivera

        End Muslim Turkey's ILLEGAL occupation of Cyprus!

      • defcon 4

        Erly Turd is that you?

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "Erly Turd is that you?"

          Good call. He's been to Turkey you know. He's an expert and we should ignore any evidence that contradicts PollyBird's parroting of Islamic supremacist apologists.

  • Mary Sue

    Obama, complicit in taquiyya (either knowingly or unknowingly)

  • EarlyBird

    Typical of this infantile hate site, the article sheds no light, and is designed merely to get one's blood up about the Latest Outrage to befall Israel.

    First of all, though Israel had every right to turn that ship around, the actions taken by the IDF were total overkill, not mention tactially stupid. They could have, and should have, done all sorts of things besides sending commandoes rapelling onto the deck of a ship crowded with thugs. As a result, innocents died who didn't need to, which was the essence of Israel's very well-worded apology. It was a statement of regret, not groveling.

    Secondly, and most importantly, this was a way to get Turkey and Israel working together in regard to Syria. Turkey and Israel have been excellent intelligence partners, and they share a common aim to keep stability in the region. The Mavi Marmara incident had disrupted that partnership. The apology was about allowing Erdogan to save face with Turks, so that he could then work with Israel over Syria.

    • ziontruth

      "Turkey and Israel have been excellent intelligence partners, and they share a common aim to keep stability in the region."

      All this held true right up until ErDOGan rose to power. Been under a rock the past few years, huh, EarlyBilge?

      • EarlyBird

        He came in right around the time of the Mavi Marmara incident, as if you didn't know.

        • Joseph Klein

          Normally I don't bother responding to your silly uninformed rants. But at least try to get some basic facts straight. Erdogan came into power in 2003. http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/03/11/tu

          The Mavi Marmara incident occurred in 2010.

          • defcon 4

            I believe the simultaneous bombings of the two synagogues in Turkey and the resultant example of islamic "justice" occurred in the first year of Erdogan's ten year reign.

    • Drakken

      If that is what you call overkill? We have entirely different ideas of what that means, to me overkill is severly under rated. Israel should have eliminated the entire ships crew and called it a day, then you control the narrative of the story and write what every happy ending you want, as long as all of yours are alive and all of theirs is dead, I call that a good day.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "If that is what you call overkill? We have entirely different ideas of what that means, to me overkill is severly under rated."

        When you're engaged in total war, there is no such thing as overkill unless you want to argue for saving ammo for the next bunch. We've got enough ammo so…

        • Drakken

          Love us and ours, eff them and theirs, all ours go home, theirs are vulture bait.

      • EarlyBird

        It was stupid. You don't have to be General Drakken to realize that they were dropping IDF soldiers feet first into a crowd of armed thugs, onto the deck of a good-sized ship filled with many, many more thugs than commandoes.

        They should have disabled the ship's rudder, blasted it with firehoses, shot at it, anything but that commando raid. It was stupid.

        • defcon 4

          How do you inspect a ship's cargo without boarding the ship Sulieman?

          • EarlyBird

            Not with a puny force of commandos, that's for sure.

          • Drakken

            Obviously you know jack about shipboard operations and how to conduct raids.

    • defcon 4

      The "actions taken by the IDF were total overkill"? Really? Would you mind me banging a 3' piece of iron pipe off your noggin?

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "The "actions taken by the IDF were total overkill"? Really? Would you mind me banging a 3' piece of iron pipe off your noggin?"

        It's the same mentality that leads dupes to start defending rock throwers as if they're playing with marbles on the ground flicking them with their thumbs when Israeli soldiers come along to disturb their peaceful play.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slingshot

        • Drakken

          They threw rocks at us in Iraq, once. Hmm can't imagine why they never did after the first time?

          • EarlyBird

            "They threw rocks at us in Iraq, once. Hmm can't imagine why they never did after the first time?"

            Who is the "we" in this sentence, Killer? The US in general, Marines, American troops or you, "I'm a General!" Drakken?

          • Drakken

            You can read into it anything you want Sparky.

  • EarlyBird

    You get it, Blain. Also, see my comments below about how the tepid apology allows Erdogan to cooperate regarding Syria.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "You get it, Blain. Also, see my comments below about how the tepid apology allows Erdogan to cooperate regarding Syria."

      He's joking. This is what a freshman would think or accept.

      • EarlyBird

        You don't seem capable of contributing much to the discussion. It's because you know I'm right, and you're wrong.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "You don't seem capable of contributing much to the discussion. It's because you know I'm right, and you're wrong."

          Said the leftist parrot…who is always right.

          How long have you been a college freshman? It must be going on 30 years or more.

  • UCSPanther

    FLUSH!!!!

  • UCSPanther

    The only apology I would give to someone trying to kill me is a sarcastic "I'm sorry. Did that 30 calibre, 150 grain softpoint traveling at 2800 FPS hurt on impact?"

    • ushouldtravelmore

      oooh you big man

      • defcon 4

        Vs. a very small, mendacious jihadi, but I'm being redundant.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "oooh you big man"

        So it is the EB sock puppet.

    • Dakken

      I prefer the 50 M-82 myself, makes a bigger mess and can reach a lot further out.

  • ziontruth

    "In return for this favor, the US will back off the decades long policy of opposing building in the settlements"

    When did that happen? How long do we have to wait to see that (alleged) side of the bargain fulfilled?

    I'll believe it when I see it. Till then, I say Bibi got bamboozled.

    P.S. Jewish population centers anywhere within the Land of Israel are, by definition, not settlements, and need no permission from any other nation to be built.

    • EarlyBird

      "P.S. Jewish population centers anywhere within the Land of Israel are, by definition, not settlements, and need no permission from any other nation to be built. "

      Yeah! Gee, what's all the controversy about anyway? I mean, God gave every Jew all pieces of land from the Jordan to the Mediterranean, and maybe into Egypt and Lebanon! Everyone knows that.

      • defcon 4

        And allah gave muslimes rights to the entire world eh Mehmet?

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "Yeah! Gee, what's all the controversy about anyway?"

        Sharia law against Western civilization. But we've told you that many times.

        "I mean, God gave every Jew all pieces of land from the Jordan to the Mediterranean, and maybe into Egypt and Lebanon! Everyone knows that."

        Whether or not that's true, that doesn't speak to the legitimate secular motives and justifications for our positions as any non-indoctrinated person would see.

  • sablegsd

    He didn't "play into" anything. He is a full fledged conspirator with his fellow muslims against Israel. I can't believe Bibi did it.

  • Len_Powder

    Obama knows how to push Netanyahu's buttons and how to yank his chain. I used to have a lot of respect and admiration for the man but now he ranks at the bottom with John McCain and John Boehner. But perhaps I am being too harsh with him. After all, even David and Solomon made monumental mistakes. Why have the Jews always found it so much easier, since Adam and Eve, to follow Satan, and so difficult to follow God? How wonderful it would be to some day get an answer to this question and another one almost as significant: Why do Jews so consistently support communists, statists, liberals and Democrats?

    • defcon 4

      We have no idea what pressure the zero brought to play against Netanyahu. It's quite possible we won't know until the zero is out of office, if ever.

  • Cathy

    I do not comprehend why Israel's leaders continually disregard the Commandments of Scripture by appeasing the enemy on issues encompassing Her God-given land. It is an utter betrayal to God's Chosen People.

    REMINDER

    Israeli Soldier Swapped for Hundreds of Palestinians
    Published: October 18, 2011

    JERUSALEM — In an elaborate prisoner exchange that could roil Middle East politics, an Israeli soldier held for more than five years by the militant Palestinian group Hamas was swapped on Tuesday for hundreds of Palestinians who have spent many years in Israeli jails, all them freed to jubilant welcomes tinged with bitterness and grief.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/19/world/middleeas

  • Cathy

    ISRAEL … YOUR GOD HAS SPOKEN!

    Exodus 23:31-33
    I will establish your borders from the Red Sea (Sea of Reeds) to the Sea of the Philistines, (Mediterranean) and from the desert to the River . I will hand over to you the people who live in the land and you will drive them out before you. Do not make a covenant with them or with their gods. Do not let them live in your land, or they will cause you to sin against me, because the worship of their gods will certainly be a snare to you.

    Leviticus 25:23
    “The land must not be sold permanently, because the land is mine and you are but aliens and my tenants.”

    Numbers 33:55-56
    But if you do not drive out the inhabitants of the land, those you allow to remain will become barbs in your eyes and thorns in your sides. They will give you trouble in the land where you will live. And then I will do to you what I plan to do to them .

  • mjazzguitar

    Has Turkey apologized for the Armenian genocide?

  • ApolloSpeaks

    ERDOGEN NEEDED TO BOOST

    his humiliated supremacist-pride when the Zionist Jew Netanyahu stopped the Turkish flotilla and jihadists were killed (tears tears) with Erdogen, Allah and the Umma raging impotently unable to do anything. What will Obama get in return I wonder for making Bibi bend? The same he's getting from Egypt for the $250 mil and F-16s: BUPKIS

  • angelinajhon

    The Turkish Political Game

    Between Russia and USA

    After USA, Turkey has the second largest army in NATO and is one of the most important strategic partners of USA.

    In the same time, the greater part of Turkey‘s natural gas supply is provided by the Russian company GAZPROM, the

    minor part comes from Iran. So Ankara is on a very peculiar political crossroads, cooperating with countries that

    are at enemy with each other. What is more, the serious political crash of the relationship between Turkey and

    Israel in 2010 shows that both countries insist hard on their strategic policy, no matter whether USA like it or

    not.

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