Chuck Hagel’s Plan for U.S. Forces in ‘Palestine’

On the eve of a Senate vote to confirm Chuck Hagel as Secretary of Defense, a 2009 report co-authored by Hagel has surfaced titled “A Last Chance For A Two-State Israel-Palestine Agreement.” It called for Israel to make “the hard compromises and painful concessions for peace” without asking anything comparable from the Palestinian side. Indeed, the report warned against “the Jewish-American and Christian Zionist groups that feel comfortable amplifying the positions of Israeli politicians hostile to hard compromise and painful concession.”

One of Hagel’s principal co-signatories on the report was Zbigniew Brzezinski, who had advised Obama on foreign policy during his first presidential campaign. Brzezinski has been openly hostile to Israel, accusing it of “brutal repression” and colonialism among other things – i.e., the Palestinian party line.

Hagel was obviously not interested in teaming up with an objective analyst, as reflected in the report. Its tone was set when it questioned the historic “intimacy of the American-Israeli relationship,” which it said is presenting “policy and security challenges for the U.S. in the Middle East and beyond.”

The principal painful concession recommended in the report was a two-state solution that would result in Israel having to retreat largely behind the indefensible pre-June1967 lines, with minor land swaps.  President Obama’s own proposal for a two-state solution mirrored this recommendation.

The report also endorsed a Jerusalem divided into two national capitals “with Jewish neighborhoods falling under Israeli sovereignty and Arab neighborhoods under Palestinian sovereignty.” The reality on the ground, however, is that there is no such strict separation of populations all over Jerusalem. Rather there are some mixed Arab-Jewish neighborhoods. Many Jerusalem-area Arabs also would not want to give up so easily the benefits of living under Israeli sovereignty, such as superior health care, social security and better access to jobs.

Christian holy places would be administered by Palestine, a dubious proposition considering the experience in Palestinian-administered Bethlehem where Christians were a majority in 1990 and constitute only 15% of the population today. Christians there found the same type of conditions that Christians in Egypt, Iraq, Libya and other Muslim-controlled countries and regions have encountered – beatings, Palestinian occupation of churches, discrimination and other forms of intimidation. The one safe haven for Christians in the Middle East turns out to be Israel, where the Christian population has grown nearly five-fold since Israel gained its independence in 1948.

The report envisions a non-militarized Palestinian state for at least a transitional period, which has about as much chance of succeeding as the failed plan for disarming Hezbollah and other militias in Lebanon.

Who would enforce an imposed two state solution according to the recommendations signed off by Hagel? A “U.S.-led multinational force” which would be “under a UN mandate” and “feature American leadership of a NATO force supplemented by Jordanians, Egyptians and Israelis.” Jerusalem would have “a special security and administrative regime of its own.”

A NATO researcher estimated that about 60,000 US/NATO troops and about 160 billion dollars over 10 years would be required to carry out this UN mandate.

Moreover, our troops would be sitting ducks for the kind of terrorist attacks that have killed thousands of American soldiers in Iraq, Afghanistan and Lebanon. And if the report’s recommendation to include Jordanian and Egyptian soldiers in the U.S.-led multi-national force is followed, there is a risk of jihadists committing acts of terrorism from the inside as we have seen all too often in Afghanistan.  The last thing we need to do is engage in another long nation-building exercise that Islamists will propagandize as a Western crusader occupation and use to recruit more foot soldiers for jihad.

In providing a thumb-nail revisionist history of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict by way of background, the report highlighted the “considerable and ongoing Palestinian suffering” that accompanied “the creation and sustaining of a democratic Jewish State in the wake of the Holocaust.” This buys into the Palestinian victimhood narrative that they were innocents forced to pay a heavy price for a European event in which they had no part.  The truth is that the Palestinian leadership and its Arab neighbors threw away the chance for an independent Palestinian state which they could have had for the last sixty-four years. Moreover, the Palestinians under the leadership of such men as Haj Mohammed Effendi Amin el-Husseini collaborated with Nazi Germany. They ended up on the losing side, but still could have had their own state, living side by side in peaceful co-existence with Israel, if it weren’t for their determination to destroy the Jewish state from its inception.

Hamas maintains the same rejectionist stance today, but the report bearing Hagel’s name recommended U.S. engagement with the jihadist terrorist organization:

In brief, shift the U.S. objective from ousting Hamas to modifying its behavior, offer it inducements that will enable its more moderate elements to prevail, and cease discouraging third parties from engaging with Hamas in ways that might help clarify the movement’s views and test its behavior.

The idea that there are any “moderate elements” in Hamas is an oxymoron. Hamas is dedicated to the complete destruction of the Jewish state. This has not changed since the enactment of Hamas’s founding charter, which remains in effect.

Last December, for example, Hamas political leader Khaled Mashaal stated:

”We are not giving up any inch of Palestine. It will remain Islamic and Arab for us and nobody else. Jihad and armed resistance is the only way. We cannot recognize Israel’s legitimacy. From the sea to the river, from north to south, we will not give up any part of Palestine — it is our country, our right and our homeland.”

So much for engaging Hamas on the contours of a two-state solution.

In 2011, Hamas’s former minister of “culture,” Atallah Abu Al-Subh, called Jews “the most despicable and contemptible nation to crawl upon the face of the earth.”

Chuck Hagel as Secretary of Defense will be in a position to push the disastrous recommendations of the report he co-authored. It would not take much to convince Obama that they are worth trying, particularly if the UN puts its stamp of approval on the plan and it is conducted under the UN’s auspices. Any Senator foolish enough to confirm Chuck Hagel, given his demonstrated incompetence, will also have to explain to U.S. soldiers put in harm’s way if the recommendations endorsed by Hagel move forward.

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  • AdinaK

    Chuck Hagel's Underbelly Gutted, and why the Islamist-in-Chief will go to the mat for him –

    Clear as a bell.

    Adina Kutnicki, Israel

    • Cassandra

      Adina do you think Israel will go for this/ I hope not

      • JacksonPearson

        I surely hope Israel doesn't go for it. Because it'd be another Kosovo redux. NATO troops stood watching as Islamics torched 150 Christian monasteries and churches.

    • EarlyBird

      If not a two state solution as Obama and all previous US presidents before him have proposed, if we've decided such a situation is an impossibility, then can someone please explain, explicitly, what the answer to the conflict is? I would like details.

      • Drakken

        Here let me help you out, Gaza should be pushed into the sea, a Shermans march with a taste of Carthage,as for west bank? Push them into Jordan proper and let Abullah deal with the palis like his father did. Otherwise there will be no peace period, about time Israel takes the damn gloves off and give the muslim savages the mailed fist. Enough is enough!

        • EarlyBird

          You know, if that is Israel's ultimate intentions, I'd like to see them start and get things over with. Tired of the conflict and the endless whining. The IDF could do what you want in a matter of months.

          Now, of course, that would include killing hundreds of thousands of people in the process, but oh well.

          • Drakken

            Warfare is never pretty or nice and it never will no matter what kind of face you put on it.

  • test case


    • stern

      nut case:

  • Gordon Ross

    Hagel's deep prejudice has clearly damaged his brain. He's insane and belongs in an asylum.

  • Mickey Oberman

    Why, short, of desiring the hastened destruction of Israel, would Imam Obama even consider Hagel for Secretary of Defense?

    • Ben Jabo

      Don't kid yourself, Obama is determined to fill his Cabinet with as many Anti-Semites as he can find

      He's a MuSLIME, intent on keeping his brothers happy

  • WilliamJamesWard

    Hagel's plan is a battle plan in favor of Islamist Jihad and the destruction of Israel, it fools no one
    and is blatently obvious in it's cynical duplicity. Jerusalem is the Israeli Capitol and as the
    Prime Minister has said it is not negotiable so just how would Hagel's plan sit with Netanyahu, it
    would be a declaration of war against the Jewish State. The leftist uses the UN as a modifier
    for his perfidious attempt as supporting Islam in it's war on Israel. Would Americans welcome a
    UN Army into Washington or anywhere in our Nation, not at all…………………William

    • ryan

      westbank is not israhelli land periode, and won't never be… even if it mean 1000 years of wars.. zionist will never have a normal life as long as they occupy the palestinians

      • Lan Astaslem

        learn to spell you muslim troll


        Israel will never again be under the rule of islamofascists.

        Israel is strong enough to defeat all attackers.

        Any Islamofascist who longs to drop a nuke on Israel should remember that Mecca is even smaller than Israel.

        • EarlyBird

          Actually, they should remember that Israel has a hell of a lot of nukes already. Some how you Zionist zealots always fail to mention that.

          • Dakken

            Well you as a muslim supporter should always keep that in your little inbred mind.

          • Lan Astaslem

            somehow you Jew hating trolls never mention Israel's exceptional constraint in not using those nukes against her many bloodthirsty neighbors threatening her existence on a daily basis

          • EarlyBird

            I've actually mentioned Israel's incredible restraint in regard to self defense multiple times, fool. Now, I don't know if Israel should get a brownie button just for not having nuked somebody yet.


        ryan muhammed,

        From the River to the Sea,

        Pal-e-SWINE Will Never Be!

      • Marc

        Ryan this is typical of Islamic rhetoric . I see you are good at following the muslin doctrine which is hate and kill. Ryan even when the Israelis left gaza and the West Bank you Arabs kept firing rockets into Israel so maybe you should think before you put your foot in your mouth

      • Mary Sue

        um, it's the Palestinians that are occupying JEWISH Land.

    • Alan G

      Americans wouldn't welcome un forces into the us. But, it doesn't mean Obama wouldn't. Read the UN small arms agreement, t hat is being finalized as we speak.

  • Asher

    Hagel's policies are an extension of Obama's boot. Senators are going to destroy any chances America ever had of coming out of a downspiralling quagmire of fatality from abandoning Israel and implementing destructive policies for a two state situation. Hagel has not disclosed his foreign funding to Friends of Hamas…we want to know why he donated to a terrorist group dedicated to the Destruction of Israel, and also why would any nation align itself with Morsi of Egypt who says that there will be no peace with the Descendants of Apes and Pigs, referring to Israel? Have we gone totally daft in the head to support people like these who believe that that have to commit Jihad against Christians and Jews, or anyone who doesn't comply with barbarism? Think about it!

    • EarlyBird

      For that matter, Obama's policies are an extension of every president's since 1967. His policies are the same as pretty much every president before him. The US policy to the conflict has been that there should be a two state solution along the lines of the '67 borders since there has been a '67 border.

      The only difference is that Obama is black and has a funny name, so you're scared of him. It's just xenophobia and paranoia. It's irrational.

      • johnnywoods

        And you are an idiot!

        • EarlyBird

          You seem angry, Johnny.

      • CHOI

        Oppose Obama on ANYTHING,and to you &your ilk it's ALWAYS RACE.
        FU and the RACE CARD!!!

        • EarlyBird

          Choi, you don't seem to get it: Obama is proposing the very same Israel-Palestinian policy as all presidents before him. His foreign policy is a return to pre-neoconservative insanity, not a bow to Muslims or the other s**t you see on this board. His economic policies are just plain old, boring, uncreative, Democratic, Big Government tax and spend liberalism, not "Marxism," etc. He is also not a secret Al Queda operative who was raised in a madrassah in Kenya or Indonesia.

          The terror that you have and see about him is that he's black.

          • EarlyBird

            I mean "pre-neoconservative sanity."

    • Ghostwriter

      And you're an idiot,EarlyBirdbrain! It's not that Obama's black and has a funny name. It's that his policies aren't working. If he tried to put U.S. troops in that area,there'd be a backlash from the Palestinians,and they'd love to kill them,just like the Israelis. LET the Israelis handle it. You'd probably be on the first plane to the West Bank to help the Palestinians,right before they gut you like a fish.

      • EarlyBird

        The Israelis would be killing US soldiers just as quickly as Palestinians, but with the American weapons we gave them, and with the $3+ billion dollars in aide we provide each year.

        The US led UN mandate aside, there is no difference between Obama's desires for Israeli-Palestinian peace and previous presidents'. Characterizations of Obama as "anti-israel," or "pro-Islamist," are bizarre.

        Remember, W. Bush even convinced Ariel Sharon to have the IDF physically remove Jewish squatters from illegal settlements, but he's a hero to the extremist fringe right wing nutjobs because he launched a disastrous war against Iraq. Go figure.

        The problem with letting Israel handle it, is that since they insist on sewing themselves to the American hip (and pocket book), and demanding such control over our foreign policy, and ensuring that Republicans running for president state that there will be "no daylight" between ours or their foreign policy, Israel's actions are "our" actions. They don't get to have it both ways. We are either partners or we are not. We either subsidize their state, or we don't.

        • Mary Sue

          The IDF would kill US Soldiers? ARE YOU F***ING S***ING ME?!

          • EarlyBird

            If we were to impose a UN system to force a two state solution on them? Absolutely they would. You think they actually like or have good feelings for America? They like our unflinching, lock-step support and money. Other than that we're as disposable as stale matzoh. The "special relationship" exists only among hard core Jewish Americans and fundamentalist Christian Israel Firsters.

  • Chanameel

    In September 2009 (constellation Virgo) Obama led 50,000 muslim men in a "Day of Prayer" on the Mall in Washington DC. They prayed from morning till night for "The Soul of America." This occult rite was actually a rite of "Surrender" to Islam and also determines the "Future Destiny of America." If Hagel pushes through this so called two-state solution, then we will move our embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. And we will have (in effect) captured Jerusalem for Islam. Then Obama can rule the world from Jerusalem. Check mate.

    • EarlyBird

      Hello crazy person.

      No, Obama did not lead 50,000 Muslims at any point in his life, any date, in prayer.

      Get help.

      • Mary Sue

        and your proof of this you pulled out of your tuchus?

        • EarlyBird

          Mary Sue, when a crazy person makes crazy claims, it is for them to back it up, not the sane person who refutes them. For instance, if you were to say that Disneyland was just invaded by a race of Martian lizard men, it would be for YOU to show "proof," not the sane people who refute you.

          Get it? Remember that next time you hear that Obama is a Manchurian candidate created in Saudi Arabia, or whatever nonsense you swallow so quickly about him.

  • ziontruth

    Interventionism a paleocon can get 100% behind.

  • Imri Engels

    Give Hagel a circumcision from the neck down!!

  • mike

    Not true Ryan, all Israel belongs to the Jews. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

  • clarespark

    Jerusalem always a bone of contention in the region. Not so long after I did my Ralph Bunche UN research I wrote this blog:…. It has material not in related postings. "Conflict-resolution and Ralph Bunche's Nobel Peace Prize." The only reason there is an Israel today is their willingness to take huge casualties in 1948, and the competition between the US and the Soviet Union for their support, which was strategic in the region. The UK never really wanted to give up the Mandate. Together, the US and the UK tried to truncate the area given to Jews in late 1947 by the UN, so desperate Jews took thousands of casualties, penetrated "Arab" areas, and brought Egypt to the Armistice table. Egypt never considered this a peace move, but only a pause in the Arab-Israeli war. It was not until 1967 that Israel won territory through force of arms in defense. And Jerusalem too. Michael Oren's book is a must read of course.

  • Winston

    So it is very clear now why the Biblical prophecies state that at the battle of Armegeddon "ALL nations come against Israel" … which includes the United States of America. This will be a fulfilment of prophecy.

    • ReconRambo

      Yes Winston, the whole world will come against Israel and the city of Jerusalem will be taken and divided into two separate camps. Also, two thirds of the people of Israel will be wiped out. The city of Jerusalem will be trodden under foot until the time of the Gentiles come to the full. Only one third of the Jews will be left and they will be saved and delivered by my Lord Jesus Christ. At this time will the prophecy of Jesus will be fulfilled which he proclaimed upon his final entry into the Holy City, Jerusalem just before his death when he said, "You shall not see me henceforth, till you shall say, "Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord". This will be the Jews day of deliverance from the Gentiles and their acceptance of Jesus as their Messiah. Then shall the Lord go forth and fight for them as in the day of Battle of the days of old.

      In Christ Service,

    • ReconRambo

      I believe that my Heavenly Father allowed Obama to be elected as President and thus, leader of the free world, for the exact purpose of turning the U.S. and the world against Israel to bring Bible prophecy to fruition. At this current time in history, the majority of people in America at heart, are totally wicked and evil as they have chosen a cunning, lying and wicked person as their leader.

      In Christ Service,

    • Daniel

      You are absolutely right in saying this will fulfill the prophesy of Zech. 14:2. What this hate mongering muslim in the white house hasn't considered is that the prophesy also says God will fight against them. Also, what the dirtbag in the white house hasn't considered is the 180 nuclear weapons the israeli's possess, and the fact that they might use them. Actually, some other prophesy's indicate that they will.

  • Attila The Hun

    Hagel's desire to put American forces in the holly land, has one goal, destroying Israel. What he thinks we are STUPID? I have news for OBAMA, HAGEL and the rest of the 21st century antisemites, Neither The Babylonians, The Greeks, The Romans not even HITLER with all his technological superiority was able to annihilate The Jews. What OBAMA and HAGEL think they can do where the others couldn't. We are the first people in human history who survived as a nation outside our homeland for 2000 years. We did not only once we did it twice. If anyone doubts our resolve for survival needs to read Jewish history. Mr HAGEL You like it or not we are here to stay.

    • EarlyBird

      Um…Hello in there.

      Just a quick point: American presidents have been discussing a two state solution along the '67 borders for about as long as there were '67 borders. How this makes Obama an anti-Semite hating Muslim can only be understood in a paranoid schizophrenic's brain like yours.

      • ziontruth

        "Just a quick point: American presidents have been discussing a two state solution along the '67 borders for about as long as there were '67 borders."

        You're changing the subject. This isn't about an American president calling for Israel's retreat to the 1967 borders, it's about an American SecDef calling for enforcing Israel's compliance through invasion. That is unprecedented for American policymakers—it's a line of thinking that hasn't been spoken out since the days Albion had a presence in the Middle East.

        • EarlyBird

          "…through invasion…"?!

          Wow! The paranoia runs really deep, doesn't it? Now, the standard, decades-long and generally accepted suggestion of a UN mandated two state solution, led by the US, has become proof of Hagel's desire for an American "INVASION" of Israel.

          Just when I thought I'd seen how deep the paranoia had alread gone. Unbelievable. Surely, you'd prefer blue helmets worn by Iranians, Saudis, Pakistanis and Egyptians enforcing that solution?

          Hey, remember, the good news: Israel can use American weapons and the $3+ billion dollars of annual American aide to defend herself against the invasion.

          • ziontruth

            You may think just because troops sport the monikor "U.N." or "NATO" on their helmets, this isn't an invasion. Your opinion may be shared by Leftist anti-Zionist interventionists, but not by any true conservative and isolationist.

            I need a bag of popcorn to enjoy this movie where self-styled paleocon isolationists reveal their true colors as flaming interventionist busybodies. Or I would enjoy the show if I weren't in it.

            "…the $3+ billion dollars of annual American aide…"

            Back to EarlyBilge's usual old trick. You demand others admit their mistakes but hypocritically refuse to accept my corrections on that point.

          • EarlyBird

            I only wish to be "isolationist" where the US has no interest in being interventionist, such as fighting an unnecessary war we are pushed into by Israel against Iran.

            I also understand that Israel, which completely dominates the conflict with the Palestinians, would not want any international resolution which would keep Israel from pushing its advantage, and that any enforcement of that resolution would be seen as an "invasion."

            As for the $3+ billion dollars annual payment to Israel, you've never corrected me.

          • ziontruth

            "I only wish to be 'isolationist' where the US has no interest in being interventionist,…"

            In other words: You're an "isolationist" only when it comes to actions against Islamic interests; if it's for Muslim interests, then you're as big an interventionist as one could find on Daily Kos.

            Thanks for your honesty.

            "I also understand that Israel, which completely dominates the conflict with the [Arab colonists],…"

            None of your business. You have no right to speak.

            "…would not want any international resolution which would keep Israel from pushing its advantage,…"

            We don't want any international resolution that gets parts of the Land of Israel ethnically cleansed of their Jewish population. You may be fine with that kind of ethnic cleansing, but Israeli Jews aren't.

            "…and that any enforcement of that resolution would be seen as an 'invasion.'"

            Israel is a sovereign nation-state; there is no right to enforce an unwanted resolution on it, any more than there was a right to enforce such on Czechoslovakia in 1938.

            "…you've never corrected me."

            I have, plenty of times. No American monetary aid has been given to Israel since 1997. The defense loan doesn't count, especially not as the U.S. benefits from it—the loan is more than repaid.

            I hope for your sake that China will be more merciful a debtor to you—and my gosh, how much debt you owe the Chinese!—than you are to Israel (even though Israel is no longer a creditor of the U.S).

          • EarlyBird

            "In other words: You're an "isolationist" only when it comes to actions against Islamic interests…"


            "None of your business. You have no right to speak."

            Oh, that's right. America's job is to do Israel's bidding and keep the money and unquestioned support flowing.

            A $3+ billion dollar loan is $3+ billion dollars out of American tax payers' pockets per year, period. You're welcome.

            A major part of the debt we owe to China was to fund the neocon war machine in Iraq. Those neocons are made up of right wing American Jews and Christian fundamentalists, the very people you Israelis have in your right hand pocket. Sadly for you, the fantasies of ruling the Middle East blew up and made Iran stronger.

      • Drakken

        There will be no two state solution no matter how much you wish it to be so, one or the other has to perish to survive, I am betting on Israel over the muslim savages.

  • Terri Knoll

    99% of the commenters know nothing about the situation in Palestine. I suggest you do more research before making blanket statements. No one wants to “annihilate Israel”. What IS going to stop is our support for a government that is using genocide to create apartheid. The wall and separation must end and equals rights to ALL people has to happen. None of you in your right minds would allow one race to take over America. It’s not going to happen in Palestine either, even if Israel thinks it is.

    • EarlyBird

      Terri, the "wall" (in most parts actually a fence) is a legitimate security barrier which has successfully reduced the number of suicide bombers coming into Israeli towns to murder Israelis. It was put up you'll recall after the last intifadah. As a result, the "cycle of violence," has also been dramatically curtailed, as the IDF doesn't have to respond by bombing Gaza in retaliation. So, fewer Israelis and fewer Palestinians are dying needlessly. Anyone should be happy with that.

      Of course, Israel placed that fence in areas where they could grab even further land away from Palestinians, but that's for another discussion.

      Though many regional enemies want to "annihilate Israel," it won't happen any time soon, as Israel is the 800 lb gorilla in the region, and nuclear armed, and don't really have any existential threats against it.

      • aspacia


        You claim: "
        Of course, Israel placed that fence in areas where they could grab even further land away from Palestinians, but that's for another discussion. ." Have you looked at map of the ME lately? Apparently not. Also, what about the 650,000 Jewish refugees expelled from the vast Muslim majority ME and absorbed into tiny Israel? Then there is the FACT that Arab refugees living in Muslim majority lands are mistreated far worse by their brethren than ever by Israel who has been perpetually attacked since 1948.

    • EarlyBird

      A final point, Terri. There are plenty of people on this board who would love the white race to take over America. Welcome to the most right wing fringes of the right wing.

      • Mary Sue

        you've been sipping too much of the looney juice this morning, birdy.

      • aspacia

        The whites are still dominant birdy. BTW, my maiden name is Candelaria, but am half Scot and Saxon, and am a social liberal, but fiscal conservative who is not registered with any political party, but have never missed an election in 42 years.

    • Drakken

      Well then, you as a pali sympathizer if not outright muslim supporter are in for one hell of a rude awaking, the effing muslims will push to far and I say let the palis fell the steel rain. If you are so in support of those savages? Get your dumb liberal/progressive azz on a plane and go there!

    • Mike in VA

      "No one wants to "annihilate Israel"."

      Obviously, you're one of the 99% who knows nothing about the situation in Israel and Palestine, Terri.

      Read the Hamas Charter, it's only been around for decades, and it clearly calls for the annihilation of Israel.

      • EarlyBird

        Mike, Hamas is like the 98 lb. weakling who yells from across the wall to the Navy SEAL that he will "kick his ass!" Hamas is not going "annihlate Israel." Not every threat, however noxious, is existential. Everyone is so panicked.

        Same with Iran, even if it gets the bomb. They are an evil regime, but they are not stupid.

        • Drakken

          Your belief in the unbelievable is absolutely mindboggling, give a jihadist a nuke is like giving a monkey a live grenade, sooner or later one of them is going to go off.

        • Neils60

          An evil regime is correct. What other country in the world would encourage child volunteers to destroy enemy (Iraqi) mine fields by directing those children to step on the mines to blow them up, resulting, of course, in the Iranian children being blown up, too. Perhaps, this qualifies as stupid, too? So there goes your ridiculous argument.

          • EarlyBird

            No, Neils. I said they were evil, not stupid. It is evil to send children to destroy Iraqi mines, but it is not an act of national sucide like attacking Israel or the US with nukes.

            Regardless of all their apocalyptic nonsense (the flipside of what you often read on this board), their interest is in regional power. They want the bomb to keep them from being invaded or bombed or being subject to regime change from the outside. They want it for national and Islamic pride. They do not want it to commit suicide or bring on the end of the world.

          • aspacia


            How do you know what they want since they practice lying:

            The Qur'an:

            Qur'an (16:106) – Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.

            Qur'an (3:28) – This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves."

            Qur'an (9:3) – "…Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters…" The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.

            Qur'an (40:28) – A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.

            Qur'an (2:225) – "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts" The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good.

            Qur'an (66:2) – "Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths"

            Qur'an (3:54) – "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)

            Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be "compelled" to deceive others for a greater purpose."

          • WilliamJamesWard

            Propagandists of a feather flock together, just look at the trype they put out, it
            is mind numbing and that is thier intent, drone on with falsehood in mostly
            and amiable manner to throw people off. You refute with the truth and the
            slip and slide starts or they walk away to shuck and jive another day.

        • gerry

          No mthey are not stupid.They are the ones who killed lots of American troops in Iraq.Hope they get the bomb,then we will see.Same thing for North Korea.There is no love lost with them.

        • Mike in VA

          That's irrelevant to Terri's bogus claim that no one wants to annihilate Israel, EB. The only reason Hamas has been unable to inflict more death and destruction on the Israeli people is because the Israeli government and defense forces have made sure that it is unable to do so.

          As for the fascists in Tehran, there's no trusting a regime led by a bunch of delusional fanatics that routinely murders and brutalizes its own people and supports terrorist governments (ex., Syria) and organizations (Hizb'Allah, Hamas, et al) operating in and beyond the Middle East. There's no telling what they will do once they obtain the Bomb, particularly since they tend to sow violence beyond their borders by proxy.

          • EarlyBird

            It's not by any means guaranteed that they are going to use that bomb. They want to keep themselves safe from regime change and invasion.

            Whereas, we're certain to finally bankrupt the United States, at best, should we launch another ground war and invasion in the Middle East, which seems necessary to stop the nuclear program, not just airstrikes. That's the only thing for certain we know.

            We can contain these guys. They are evil and fight unfairly with terrorists, but they're not insane or suicidal. They want us to believe that.

        • aspacia


          The point is the Hamas, Fatah, Hizbollah, Iran, etc want to and they cheered on 9/11. Besides you do not know what will happen until it happens.

    • Ben Jabo

      How dare you mention Apartheid, you should have researched it before displaying your ever so obvious bias & hatred.

      .Dhimmitude – Racism – Discrimination – Ethnic Cleansing
      Apartheid, Racism, Fascism, Insults, et al, I am glad you brought up the subject, that is so prevalent in the Muslim world, where it is referred to as Dhimmitude, much more restrictive than your alleged Israeli Apartheid, you need some enlightenment as to what is going on in your little world
      Or better yet, here are some instant facts for your perusal
      Shall we use the Muslim examples of equal rights?
      Copts persecuted in Egypt, their Churches burned, while they are inside praying ?
      Christians afraid to go to Church in Iraq ?
      Last Synagogue in Cairo has just been closed !
      Turks gassing and incinerating Kurds in Iraq ?
      Syrians gassing their own people ?
      Car bombings in Iraq & Afghanistan ?
      Blowing up Mosques while people of other sects are at prayer ?
      Using Minarets for sniper vantage points ?
      Or should we just look at how Dhimmi's are treated, and the rules and regulations that govern them
      Your choice, pick em !!

      • aspacia

        Good Jabo,

        You saved me the effort of educating Birdbrain.

        • WilliamJamesWard

          That would be a truly herculean task, beyone human capabilities, however there
          is always a chance for a breakthrough and that is possibly why you teach and
          choose to reach for the outer limits. ……………..William

    • aspacia


      You are the one who needs enlightenment. 99% of the ME Muslims want to destroy Israel and murder all Jews. The wall was built to protect Israelis from suicide bombers who mainly target Jewish women and children and who are too cowardly to openly fight Jewish warriors because they will die every time.

      There is no apartheid in Israel period. Study what South African apartheid really was and how the Zulus continually call for the massacre of all whites, just as Mugbee and his brethren beat, murder and steal land from white Zimbabwe ranchers and farmers. What was the African bread basket is now a land filled with hunger and poverty with a leader who still blames the white colonists who created a prosperous land.

      When will liberals understand the simple fact, that some people are too stuck in their tribalism to prospers through hard work and education.

      Knoll, it is liberals like you who will be the Islamists first targets, just as the communists were the mad mullahs secondary targets after the Shah's overthrow. Now, the Iranians communists have been either executed or living in exile from Iran.

      Read the fact idiot.

  • EarlyBird

    Hello, weirdos:

    Just dropping in on your alternate universe to give you the scoop:

    President Obama's policy on the Israel-Palestinian conflict is exacly that of every US president before him, that there should be a two state solution along the lines of the '67 borders and there should be a shared control of Jerusalem. Like all presidents before him, he aggressively defends Israel's right to defend itself against terrorism and other threats, and continues to pour American aid and support into Israel.

    Your concerns are simply that Obama is black, has a foreign name and does not want to continue W. Bush's disastrous neo-conservative agenda. You are all hysterical and paranoid, xenophobic freaks.

    This is what happens when you get all your "news" from Front Page Magazine, NewsMax, Fox and Limbaugh.

    • UCSPanther

      And you are what happens when you get your news from MSNBC, CNN, PBS, Russia Today and PressTV…

      • EarlyBird

        I notice that you don't deny my point about America's Israeli policy under Obama. Thank you.

        • UCSPanther

          I have no need to apologize for my dislike of Obama because he has been a loser overall, and if that offends your PC beliefs, too bad.

          I also do NOT apologize for my support of Israel either, and once again, if you don't like it, too bad.

          You should also understand this key point: The more you play the race card, the less effective it becomes.

          • EarlyBird

            I've got my problems with Obama, mainly as it has to do with economics. The man has zero understanding of how businesses work, how they are incentivized to make jobs and build things, etc. He is an old school Democratic liberal in regard to economics, totally uncreative and a true "Big Government" Dem.

            But he's nothing new or scary or "Marxist."

            As for his foreign policy, he almost hasn't made a single mistake. Again, he's a throwback, but that's to pre-W. Bush neocon madness. That means he knows where to make war and where not to, when to speak with enemies and under what circumstances, how to lead other nations with international diplomacy (such as the sanctions which are brutalizing Iran right now), and in regard to his proper support of Israel. What he doesnt' do is kow tow to Israel like the Israel Firsters and other 5th Columnists on this site demand he does.

            But because he's black and has an exotic name, they're terrified of him.

          • UCSPanther

            You mad, bro?

            Obama is a joke and he'll be remembered as such.

          • Mary Sue

            Obama has zero understanding about how ANYTHING in the real world works. He could be purple with yellow polka dots or white and it would not make any difference. He's an ivory tower elitist, and that sort of ignorance is not color-specific.

          • EarlyBird

            And another point, dude:

            "You should also understand this key point: The more you play the race card, the less effective it becomes."

            You don't get to frequent this website to cheer on the most base, retrograde right wing propaganda, mostly from Danny "the Hack" Greenfield, and then get upset because you're lumped in with fundamentalist radicals and racists.

          • Drakken

            As a liberal/progressive, thy doth protest to much, but thanks for playing.

          • EarlyBird

            Drakken, you're so far to the right, Hitler looks like a flabby peacenik leftist to you. Don't you psychopaths notice that you're losing? It's what happens when you demand such utter political purity. You're weird little cult is getting smaller and smaller and smaller, and less relevant or able to control events.

          • reader

            Hitler was the leader of the National Socialist Workers Party (NSDAP), so, yes, he is a leftist. But he is not peacenik, but leftists are phony peaceniks. Also, you ARE an idiot, there is no getting around that.

          • EarlyBird

            Yeah, that's stupid. Hitler was a fascist autocrat who wanted complete and total control over everything that happened in Germany, including economic output. So, that makes him economically a socialist, but not necessarily a member of the political left.

            If you want to draw conclusions between today's modern left and tyrants, compare them to Mao's communists or something. But it's still stupid.

          • Drakken

            So I have been described as a tad right of Attilla the Hun, I'll take it as a compliment. The political parties are completely broken and nothing is going to fix it until the American public says enough is enough and do what the Romans did to their Senators when they betrayed their own. As for controling events? Unfortunately, Events are completely spiriling out of anyones control, war is on the horizon and there will be no stopping it. So the left/right paradimn is completely moot.

          • EarlyBird

            So, you're calling for a bloody revolution in America. Thanks for clearing that up.

    • ziontruth

      Stop changing the subject, and don't you go thinking the Race Card will get your disingenuous attempts to change the subjects ignored.

      This isn't about Obama's calls for Israel to retreat to the 1967 borders, it's about Hagel's call to enforce it on Israel by means of American troop invasion. Clear now? That's the topic, so stop pretending otherwise.

      • EarlyBird

        When previous US presidents since '67 have talked about a two state solution, they clearly imagined enforcement of such a solution via the UN, with the US being a very central part of that enforcement. So again, nothing new here, but that Obama is black and has a funny name, and the right wing is drunk on fantasies about him being a secret Al Queda operative.

        Note that you describe suc a solution being enforced "on Israel." Meaning, you and your fellow right wing nutjobs in Israel have zero desire to live with a two state solution. You are simply the flip side of the Palestinians' radical fanatical coin. Sadly, both normal Israelis and Palestinians have been trapped into the middle between the two radical poles for generations now.

        Listen, I've thanked you for your clarity and honesty before, and I'll thank you again. You find a peaceful, two state solution unacceptable. In the same way that Hamas, et al., refuse to accept the existence of Israel, you refuse to accept the existence of a Palestinian state. Clear?

        • ziontruth

          "…they clearly imagined enforcement of such a solution via the UN,…"

          Nope. No enforcement was ever mulled; it was supposed to be done with Israel's uncoerced acceptance. This Samantha Power line of coercing Israel is something recent—the mainstreaming of interventionist Leftist thinking.

          "Obama is black and has a funny name,…"

          Use the Race Card on someone it works on, Leftist impostor pretending to be a right-winger. A hint: I'm not one of those it works on.

          "Meaning, you and your fellow right wing nutjobs in Israel have zero desire to live with a two state solution."

          Because it wouldn't work—the Arab colonists don't want just part of what the Jews have, they want it all. They want to destroy the Jewish State, murder all the Jewish men, take all the females in concubinage and loot all the riches we've built over the years. 'Twas ever thus in Islam. You can, of course, deny it and keep to your rationalist-materialist fantasies that assume all humans have the same aspirations and dreams, but that won't change the fact.

          "Sadly, both normal Israelis and Palestinians…"

          The Arab in the Gaza or Ramallah street—nearly 75% of them according to a recent Guardian poll—wants the Jewish State gone. So much for "normal Palestinians."

          "You find a peaceful, two state solution unacceptable."

          No, I find a two-state solution to be no prospect for long-term peace; it would only move the conflict from the post-1967 territories to the pre-1967 ones.

          "In the same way that Hamas, et al., refuse to accept the existence of Israel, you refuse to accept the existence of a Palestinian state. Clear?"

          The Arab colonists want to take away Jewish self-determination by robbing the Jews of their one and only nation-state in the world; what I want is to boot the Arab settlers off Jewish land, which in no way takes away the self-determination of the Arab nation, possessor of over 20 states on a huge mass of the globe. Clear?

          And, as Israel does not receive foreign aid from the U.S. today—contrary to your Goebbelsian repetition of that lie—this is really, totally, utterly none of your business. Begone, interventionist anti-Zionist scum! Anti-Zionism is illegitimate, it deserves to be wiped off the face of the earth!

          • EarlyBird

            Zion, I really don't know what Israel should do. It's spent a long time trying to honestly negotiate peace with the Pals, only to have the Pal leadership sabatoge those negotations at every turn.

            Israel has every right to defend itself against terror and other threats, and has done so well.

            I think Israel just continues to play defense, stop nibbling away further land as it is constantly doing with the settlements, looks for every opportunity to get to peace, and try to help the Arab-Muslim world grow up so it drops its obsession of destroying Israel. The "pushing out" of Pals will only exacerbate Israel's problems.

            Why you continue to deny America's aide to Israel is beyond me, when it is so easily confirmed:


        • Drakken

          To repeat, there will be no two state solution period, there will be war first and I say let Israel take out the trash.

        • johnnywoods

          Hey Bird, why don`t you go play somewhere else? as your babbling is beginning to get a little stale.

          • EarlyBird

            No, Johnny. My job is to try to drag you nutjobs out of the fever swamps, or at least have fun beating you idiots up.

          • Mary Sue

            Except you're the idiot.

    • diocisalvi

      are you organically malformed or just plain old stupid…hum, lets see I think both —JUST DROPPING IN ON YOU ALTERNATE UNIVERSE COMRADE…

      • EarlyBird

        "are you organically malformed or just plain old stupid…hum, lets see I think both —JUST DROPPING IN ON YOU ALTERNATE UNIVERSE COMRADE…"

        Interesting how angry people can get when reality intrudes on comfortable fantasies.

        • nullifidian

          Well said Early Bird!
          These loonies are as racist, bigoted, ignorant and narrow-minded as their counterparts in the extreme end of Hamas.

          • UCSPanther

            We can say what we want and if you don't like it, then too bad.

          • Drakken

            Need a tissue? Perhaps some self esteem therapy and a nice COEXIST sticker to put on your prius?

          • EarlyBird

            Actually, I drive the opposite of a Prius. I've got a '61 Ford that I've hot rodded with a 9" rear, 5 speed, 351 Windsor, Holley 4 barrel, etc. Not environmentally or gas pump friendly at all.

          • WilliamJamesWard

            In that case you may be spared the guillotine……..for now………..William

          • EarlyBird

            Thanks, William. I was worried you might have been a Chevy guy.

          • Mary Sue

            opposing terrorism is racism>? Opposing genocide is racism? What kind of fakkachta dictionary are you using?

          • EarlyBird

            Whoever suggested that opposing terrorism or genocide is racism, dear? The problem is that you actually believe (or I believe pretend to believe) that Obama is pro-terrorism and pro-genocide. That's where the stupidity lies.

        • Mary Sue

          You're the one wearing the rose-colored glasses.

    • Ghostwriter

      Well,EarlyBird,you seem to forget that those Palestinians you and those like you defend so much hate us and want to kill us. They danced,sang,passed out flowers,and celebrated the deaths of three thousand Americans on 9/11. Seeing that drained ANY sympathy I had for those people. Never once did any Palestinian condemn ANY act of terrorism against Americans. Most likely,because they were sympathetic to it. I said it before and I'll say it again. The Israelis care about Americans. The Palestinians do not. What do you think of that,creep?

      • EarlyBird

        I don't defend them. I just acknowledge that they are not a threat in any way, shape or form to the United States.

        Sure the Israelis care about Americans. Americans care about Israelis. What in the world does that have to do with anything? Are we on a play ground choosing kickball teams?

        Perhaps it's time for all of you to grow up.

        • Mike in VA

          "Perhaps it's time for all of you to grow up."

          It's time you grew up yourself, sport.

          When you do, you'll learn how to handle the criticism of Obama's policies and Chuck Hagel's poor judgement and foolish ideas in a mature manner. In the meantime, do yourself a favor and put a little less effort into making a total hypocrite of yourself.

          • EarlyBird

            Mikey, the vomit on this board about Obama and Hagel is not thoughtful "criticism," it's hysterical, paranoid, irresponsible slander and hate speech.

          • Mike in VA

            Your own gratuitous ad hominem sandbox antics aren't any better than the slander you hypocritically whine about, Birdie. When you take your own advice and grow up you'll learn that children in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

        • Ghostwriter

          But the Palestinians DON'T!!!!! That's what we've been trying to tell you. They don't want peace with Israel. They just want to kill every Israeli man,woman,and child,simply because they exist! Get that through your peanut-sized brain.

          • EarlyBird

            Okay. And? Israel then should mow down every single Palestinian and push them out of the remaining disputed territories? That's the real agenda right now of Israel, what it's been for a long time in fact.

    • Arlie

      Buck Ofama

    • gerry

      Well this is just your ranting opinion.Nothing to do with skin colour,in fact Obama is part black and white.I am delighted that you love his policy.You must also love what happened in Benghazia sodomised Diplomat a first,,the famous bump in the road.Strangely it happened to the U S,not the Russians ,the Chinese the French etc etc.Same thing for the taking of the US Embassy in Teheran,the black flags on the wall of the US Embassy in Cairo,to which there was no apology from the Egyptian government.You should also be glad that Obama does not know if Morsi is a friend or not.They must be laughing their heads off in the world chancelleries!

    • aspacia


      Actually, I read worldwide news, and O's policies vastly differ from any previous president, and he has not only insulted Israel, but most of our allies as well. Do I really have to provide the list of O's insults to you oh, illiterate one.

    • Daniel

      Both Hamas in the Gaza Strip and Fatah in the West Bank both have said they will never stop trying to destroy Israel no matter what Israel does or how much land they give up. Its written into the charter of both of those organizations and they haven't and never will renounce it. President Abbas said there is not room for even one Jew in Palestine. Its time to face reality….land for peace does not and never will work .

  • pierce

    What a sorry ass Secretary of Defense this former Senator is going to make.

    • WilliamJamesWard

      He will be wose than sorry ass, he will be a traitorous sorry ass sold out to
      Islamist money………………………..William

  • patriothere

    "our troops would be sitting ducks for the kind of terrorist attacks"

    Yeah just like the British troops were sitting ducks for terrorist attacks like the bombing of the king david hotel. Or how the roman rulers of palestine were sitting ducks for the terrorist attacks that lead to the Romans destroying the jews and their religion twice.

    "The last thing we need to do is engage in another long nation-building exercise that Islamists will propagandize as a Western crusader occupation and use to recruit more foot soldiers for jihad."

    Yet it's ok for Americans to start a war with Iran and occupy THAT country? But it's not ok to send the military in and occupy Palestine, and bring some order into that hellish region of the world? Hypocrite.

    All pentagon officials no how to solve the conflict in Palestine. The problem is they don't make policy. Congress does. The pentagon and the military brass, "follow orders"

    • EarlyBird

      Hey, at least give the writer credit for recognizing that invading and occupying Muslim countries only adds fuel to the fire. Had they only been so vocal when W. was waging war on Iraq.

      • Ghostwriter

        Both you and patriothere must want the Iranian mullahs to wipe Israel off the face of the earth,don't you,EarlyBird?

        • EarlyBird

          Not at all, Ghosty, and you know that.

          I just want Israeli right wing Zionist fanatics to either s**t or get off the pot, with all of their bloody "Greater Israel" fantasies. I mean, push the Palestinians off their remaining land or shut the eff up with all the whining.

          I want them to acknowlege that they are the most dominant force in the Middle East by far, that even a nuclear armed Iran is not an existential threat, and that they have a nuclear arsenal.

          But most importantly, I want them to stop manipulating US foreign policy and American right wingers to make us think that what happens to Israel is the most important thing to the United States. It's not. I want them to stop fear mongering and turning pro-Israel sentiment into a litmus test of American patriotism.

          • Ghostwriter

            What I want is people like you to get with the real world. Not your fantasy one. Israel has a right to exist. WHY can't you understand that? The Israelis are not out screaming for our deaths because we exist. The Palestinians do THAT every single chance they get. With Iran,we're not dealing with rational people. We dealing with religious fanatics who'll slaughter everyone and everything that ISN'T like them. Join us in the REAL world,EarlyBirdbrain. Quit living in your fantasy one.

          • EarlyBird

            Of course Israel has a right to exist and to defend herself. I've stated that a million times, and so has Obama and Hagel, for that matter. The question is whether it is necessary for the US to wage war in and on Iran for the sake of Israel, or to support Israel's constant incursions into disputed territories.

    • Ron Lewenberg

      Iran's regime has promised to destroy America. The people at their rallies chant "Death to America". You are an ersatz patriot with a dual loyalty problem. That problem is that your primary loyalty is hatred of Israel.
      "Yeah just like the British troops were sitting ducks for terrorist attacks like the bombing of the king david hotel. "
      You British Military HQ? And the Irgun warned the British and French. The French heeded the warned. The British scoffed at the htreat using civilians as human shields. Perfidious colonialists arabist scum.

      "Or how the roman rulers of palestine were sitting ducks for the terrorist attacks that lead to the Romans destroying the jews and their religion twice. "
      You mean invade Israel. Colonize it. Tax the citizens to build cities were non-Jews only could live, ethnically cleansing Jews. Impose a Idumean-Nabatean ruler…
      There was no terrorism. And the first Great Rebellion began because of a pogrom of Jews in a Roman colony city. Roman terrorism.

    • Drakken

      Why occupy a muslim country, when you can simply destroy it and call it a day. The days of nation building and thinking that you can make nice with muslim savages is coming to and end.

      • EarlyBird

        Drakken, we've gone through this before: destroy a Muslim country and it just becomes a further playground for jihadists. They prey on failed states.

        Further, simply destroying an entire country generally pisses off those guys. Rather than just burning our flag for the camera, they then join up with the jihadists to try to kill us.

        In other words, Rambo, we can't just kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out. Sorry about that. I know you dream of nuking Mecca.

        • Drakken

          Destroy a city or two and you take the wind right outs their little jihadist sails, and I never said anything about nukes, I prefer the good ole fashioned Arc Light strikes and a few MOABs. Toos easy and no occupation.

        • aspacia

          The Dead are never angry, just dead.

    • aspacia

      The Jews warned the Brits about the upcoming attack, but the typical arrogant Brits ignored their warning.

      Correct, we should not be nation building, but fighting to annihilate enemies and force unconditional surrender.

      Iran is a potential threat; Israel is not.

  • Silver Gonzalez

    Hagel's last chance to get on the Chuck wagon Muslim payroll. Keep it coming Chuckie a la other WESTERN govt fonctionairies: Dhimmy Carter, Colin Powell, George Galloway, Paul Craig Roberts, Chas Freeman, John Brennan, 50% of the US State Dept., and others soft on Islam: Norquist, Antony Weiner, Prince Charles, Ron Paul, Canadian Paul Martin jr., justin trudeau, ,,,

  • EarlyBird

    Another thing about Hagel: the far, far right wing which is so hysterical over all things Hagel and so obsessed with putting Israeli security above America's, which demands that a US Secretary of Defense's main job is to defend Israel, will lose in both the short and long term.

    Hagel will be confirmed, which is your short term loss, and in this context is America's short term win.

    But protection and support of Israel, which had been – and still is down here on earth – a bi-partisan issue, will now be more easily seen as another left-right issue, and more easily undermined by the left and those who wish to break with Israel, including many on the old-school right.

    But this is where fanaticism gets you. When the nuts here are considered too far to the right for likes of AIPAC, you know you've gone off the rails.

    • Mike in VA

      The confirmation of a man (Hagel) with such poor judgement, lack of faith in our troops and utter cluelessness concerning American foreign policy doesn't qualify as a win for America in either the short or long term. It's clear that the president could have nominated a much more competent and qualified individual to head the DoD, but it is his prerogative to surround himself with people who are as clueless and incompetent as himself.

      • EarlyBird

        His biggest job in office will be to deal with the fiscal realities facing America, and finding a way to cut defense without cutting our security. That will take brass balls to go up against the big interests who would like unnecessary, Cold War type weapons systems to stay off the chopping block. The kangaroo court the Israel First just put him through will be nothing like what he'll now go through.

        Of course, serving two terms in 'Nam and being wounded twice tells us something about his mettle.

  • Ron Lewenberg

    " Another thing about Hagel: the far, far right wing which is so hysterical over all things Hagel and so obsessed with putting Israeli security above America's, which demands that a US Secretary of Defense's main job is to defend Israel, will lose in both the short and long term. "
    An Iranian bomb is an anathema to American security. Iran's regime has promised to destroy America. The people at their rallies chant "Death to America". You are an ersatz patriot with a dual loyalty problem. That problem is that your primary loyalty is hatred of Israel. Support jihadist conspiracy theories and lies about Indian terrorism, when Pakistan's ISI uses Al Qaeda affliated groups to attack India, is not in America's national interest.
    We need an American Secretary of Defense, not a Secretary of Dhimmitude.
    And we don't need fifth columnists to piss on patriotism.

    • EarlyBird

      Ron, I'm an American, and so my feelings about Israel have zero relation to my patriotism. Get that through your Israel First head: Israel is not part of the United States. It's not even part of NATO.

      Israel is an ally, and an important one. And so, our interests often overlap, but they are not always identical.

      Iran's regime is evil, but not insane. It will not launch a nuclear weapon at either Israel or the USA, since it would be annihilated in return by Israeli or American nukes.

      We can not end Iran's nuclear weapons program with air strikes only, which even IDF generals have admitted. We would need to invade and occupy Iran, and then we'd be in ANOTHER Middle East war, which could easily become a conflagration, WWIII, or AT LEAST bankrupt the United States. Responding to every threat emanating out of the Muslim world with hysteria is how we will commit suicide.

      Calm down.

    • Ghostwriter

      EarlyBird,these people are rational to begin with,so stop acting like they are. The mad mullahs of Iran want nothing more than to kill Israelis and Americans. That's it. End of story. Get yourself in the REAL world and not the fantasy land people like Chuck Hagel currently occupy.

      • Ghostwriter

        I forgot to add,not rational.

      • EarlyBird

        Nah. The mullahs are interested first and foremost in holding onto their own regime and country. They are not doing well. One way they manage to do that is to constantly scream at their own people that Israel (or the US) is about to invade and occupy it, that both are existential threats. Sound familiar?

        This kind of hysteria is meant to keep the population in a constant state of rallying around the flag, even if in Iran's case that flag is held aloft by brutal tyrants.

        The US has bases in Turkey, Afghanistan, carriers and subs in the Gulf, Arabian Sea, and could turn Iran into ashes conventionally or with nuclear weapons in the blink of an eye. Iran is the one who should be quaking in its boots, not the US or even Israel.

        • Ghostwriter

          No,EarlyBird,you're wrong. People like you were around when Hitler was screaming he wanted to kill the Jews. Nobody took him seriously. What happened was one of the most destructive wars in history and the deaths of twelve million Jews. Much of the Muslim world wants to complete Hitler's dark task of killing EVERY Jew on Earth. We should keep a close eye on them as much as we can. The majority of Muslims are perfectly fine with another Holocaust. I'm not. But,that seems that you and Chuck Hagel are all right with that.

  • Drakken

    Israeli and American security are on the same page dumbazz, because Israel is a western ally, the muslims are not and never will be an ally of us in the west, unlesh we rent them for a week of two.

  • Murtad

    Hagel is a real nut case to be ignored.

    • EarlyBird

      No, he's the future US Secretary of Defense, and he will therefore be un-ignorable.

    • dan

      The problem is that Chuck is not nut. Is calculating as Nazis did for the final solutions in collaborating with the new Amin el-Husseini : Hamas.
      It has to be combated each day, each hour.
      No issue and way of fight shall be neglected. He is clearly an enemi of Israel.

      • EarlyBird

        Hello, I'm Dan, and I'm insane.

        Hello, Dan!

  • danseagull44


    • EarlyBird

      Why, Dan? Because he's said or done something that is so outlandish?

    • BS77


  • irateiconoclast

    "White Flag" Hagel's first speech:

    "I am offering America's unconditional surrender to Iran, North Korea, Al Qaeda and Hamas! Please forgive us for offending all of you nice people!"

  • Arlie

    THE 4 Republicans that voted for Hagel – LET THEM KNOW – THEY ARE COWARDS!

    Cochran (R-MS)
    Johanns (R-NE)
    Rand Paul (R-KY) —-This is disturbing
    Shelby (R-AL)

    • EarlyBird

      Yeah! Purge these leftists from our midst! Let's make the Republican Party and conservative movement smaller and smaller and smaller, and lose more and more elections by default! Let's constantly raise the bar for hawkishness to such extreme levels until we're a lonely, isolated tribe of right wing moonbats living in the woods in camoflauge.

      THAT'll show Obama!

    • CHOI

      I was beginning to think Rand Paul was NOT his father,after visiting Israel and especially after the first vote this morning,but HE IS HIS FATHER' S SON,,after all..

  • jerome

    hagel demonically and with malice aforethought is continuing the work of hitler in every way possible.
    His modus operandi is not even all that subtle – he is advocating the destruction of jews and Israel in a snide underhanded
    way behaving as if this ludicrous and unworkable plan of his is merely a step on the path to everlasting peace in the region and friendship and camaraderie between all the disparate groups and sects in the
    His focused aim on jews as the villains is in accordance with all we know of this disgusting person is sure to win him friends in the oil rich arab world.
    What a travesty this is as all the forces in the world are aligned against Israel and strengthening, whilst the terror groups and true advocators of genocide and the ones who are committed to their incredibly narrow minded and hate filled war against jews are being lauded and befriended and wholeheartedly embraced.
    That the blind west and their ruling liberal nut bars are incapable of moving away from this disastrous plan for the resolution of the palestinian problem speaks volumes as to the contempt the world has for jews and now israel- a contempt that has grown in strength with the advent of noxious obama onto the world stage as leaser of the so called free world , a leader who is marching towards socialism and a belief in the welfare state soon to be swamped by sharia everywhere and determined to remove israel once and for all
    as per hitler and his willing arab helpers.

  • burkasrugly

    I agree with Arlie…Rand Paul voting for Hagel is disturbing. I wonder if Hagel will appoint Imam Feisal Rauf to some post….

  • Mnm

    No matterwhat is said, the central issue in the Middle East region is stil the colonial, murderous and inhuman occupation of the lands of Palestine by guess who. the most moral and correct army in the world. The IOF , Israel Ocupation want to know more about Israel? See some pictures of Gaza during the last Israely adventure.

    • BS77

      brainwashed much?

    • Mary Sue

      put down the crack pipe and step away slowly.

  • WilliamJamesWard

    Will Hagel have a green line to all Islamist Capitols to inform his financial interests of just
    what American forces are doing, there is a good market for selling military secrets, just
    think of what Bill Clinton did with China, giving them guidance system technology they
    did not have and can now drop a fat one anywhere, anytime….Israel beware……….William