The French-Israeli-Saudi Front Against Iran?


Picture-5Israel and Saudi Arabia are proving the old adage correct that “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.”  The Iranian regime is their common enemy. Israel sees a nuclear armed Iran as an existential threat. Sunni Saudi Arabia worries that Shiite Iran with nuclear arms will be emboldened to threaten other Sunni Gulf governments and ultimately try to force its will on Saudi Arabia itself.

Thus, the Jewish state of Israel and the Islamic state of Saudi Arabia, certainly not friends in normal times, find themselves planning to join forces if necessary to stop Iran from crossing the nuclear arms finish line. According to a November 17, 2013 article in the British newspaper Sunday Times, Saudi Arabia has agreed to “give the go-ahead for Israeli planes to use its airspace in the event of an attack on Iran.” The Saudis are also reported to be willing to assist the Israelis by making drones, rescue helicopters, and tanker planes available for the Israelis’ use.

“Once the Geneva agreement is signed, the military option will be back on the table. The Saudis are furious and are willing to give Israel all the help it needs,” an unnamed diplomatic source told the Sunday Times.

Israel and Saudi Arabia have good reason not to trust the United States to negotiate an acceptable deal that would dismantle Iran’s nuclear uranium enrichment and plutonium facilities in a fully verifiable manner. They have been pushed aside as the Obama administration plunges forward to reach an accommodation with Iran. Rather than take seriously the concerns of the countries in the region who would be most directly affected by a rash settlement on terms favorable to Iran, President Obama and his Secretary of State John Kerry are wearing blinders. They downplay how close Iran is to achieving its long-held ambition of becoming a nuclear-armed power and the danger that a bad deal will only serve to give Iran diplomatic cover while it moves ahead.

Israeli intelligence has concluded that the Obama Administration’s previous interim offer to Iran would only set back the Iranian nuclear program about 24 days. What was Secretary of State John Kerry’s response when he was asked about this assessment during his briefing of senators last week, as he tried to dissuade them from passing legislation to impose more sanctions on Iran? Kerry repeatedly told senators, Senator Mark Kirk (R-IL) remarked to reporters after the meeting, to “disbelieve everything that the Israelis had just told [us].” A Senate aide familiar with the meeting was quoted by BuzzFeed’s Rosie Gray that “every time anybody would say anything about ‘what would the Israelis say,’ they’d get cut off and Kerry would say, ‘You have to ignore what they’re telling you, stop listening to the Israelis on this.’”

Whom do the president and secretary of state listen to and put in charge of negotiating a nuclear deal with Iran?  None other than the same person involved in the botched negotiations with North Korea more than a decade ago, Wendy Sherman, the State Department’s Under Secretary for Political Affairs. Sherman fell for North Korea’s deceptions, admitting in congressional testimony in 1999 that she and others in the Clinton administration were “working hard” on “sanctions easing” for North Korea that would “allow for financial transactions, both bank and individual” and “the export and trade of consumer goods.”

A few years later, reflecting on her impressions of the former North Korean dictator Kim Jong-il, whom she had met on her visit to North Korea, Wendy Sherman said he was “smart” and “capable.”  She thought he “was very polite,” a “hands-on leader” and “not some hysterical crazy person.” She admitted that at times he was brutal, but also compared him to “a big-city mayor who goes to see whether the garbage is being collected.”

Senator Kirk reminded reporters after the briefing with Kerry in which Wendy Sherman participated that “her record on North Korea is a total failure and an embarrassment to her service.” But the Obama administration rewarded her service as an appeaser of North Korea by empowering her to bring her Neville Chamberlain show on the road to Geneva to lead the U.S. delegation in negotiations with Iran. In fact, Sherman thought the draft interim deal she was negotiating with Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif more than a week ago was so good that she and European Union foreign executive Catherine Ashton urged the foreign ministers of the six powers involved in the talks to come to Geneva for a signing ceremony. “The cake is ready for putting in the oven to bake,” she and Ashton are reported to have boasted. Fortunately, the French pulled the cake out of the oven before it had a chance to settle.

Indeed, France is now trying to decide whether to join the Israeli-Saudi opposition to the Obama administration’s half-baked efforts at détente with Iran.

French President Francois Hollande and Foreign Minister Laurent, who branded the deal originally offered to Iran a “sucker’s deal,” are in Israel this week to discuss possible alternative options in dealing with Iran. This follows a number of meetings between French and Saudi Arabian officials, including a visit by French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian to Saudi Arabia to discuss a new defense contract.

Debkafile ran a headline on November 16th: “Hollande and Netanyahu to consider forming a joint French-Israeli-Arab front against Iran.” The article reported on the option being offered to France of “aligning with the Middle East powers – Israel, Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Egypt – which challenge President Barack Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry’s race for détente with Tehran.” If Hollande accepts the option, Debkafile explained, “the next decision facing President Hollande will be whether, how and when this grouping is willing to consider resorting to military action to preempt a nuclear-armed Iran.”

So far, France still gives no indication that it will meekly follow the Obama administration’s lead, no matter what the terms of the deal. During a joint news conference with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Hollande listed four demands which he said must be in place for any interim deal with Iran to work:

“The first demand: put all the Iranian nuclear installations under international supervision, right now. Second point: suspend enrichment to 20 percent. Thirdly: to reduce the existing stock. And finally, to halt construction of the Arak (heavy water) plant. These are the points which for us are essential to guarantee any agreement.”

“Surrender” Sherman and her merry band of negotiators are most likely not listening. They are hopeful for a compromise in the next round of talks scheduled to begin this week in Geneva, which no doubt the Obama administration would spin as a success. Only this time the final judgment on whether the deal is good or not may not rest with the Obama administration alone. Israel, Saudi Arabia and France may render their own verdict and act accordingly.

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  • Judahlevi

    Nature abhors a vacuum. If Obama won’t lead, and he never does, then other countries must take up the slack.

    Someone has to stand up to Iran, one of the worst terrorist supporting nation-states on the planet. Israel needs to look elsewhere for leadership for the next three years. They will never get it from this administration.

    • defcon 4

      The zero is leading, he’s just leading the world in a different direction, a new direction, an islam0fascist direction.

  • Chezwick

    It’s a marriage of convenience, nothing more. The Saudis are just as willing to use the Israelis as they are Americans to do their bidding. And when the sh*t hits the fan after the Israeli strike, the Saudis will sit back and enjoy the carnage as tens of thousands of retaliatory Iranian missiles descend upon Israel from their redoubts in homes and mosques all over Lebanon (and Gaza).

    My concern about the possible Israeli strike is that they don’t have the air assets to do a comprehensive enough job to end the threat. Iran will likely go nuclear shortly thereafter, using the attack as justification (don’t get me wrong, friends, they were certainly going nuclear anyway, but they were likely to sit with an untested capability for at least awhile, the way India and Pakistan did in the late 80s/early 90s until they finally dispensed with the charade with back-to-back tests in the late 90s).

    The proliferation genie is out of the bottle, folks. Look for the Saudis, the Egyptians, smaller states in the region and even possibly non-state actors like Hezbollah to go nuclear over the next decade. It’s going to be a brave new world.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “It’s a marriage of convenience, nothing more. The Saudis are just as willing to use the Israelis as they are Americans to do their bidding. And when the sh*t hits the fan after the Israeli strike, the Saudis will sit back and enjoy the carnage as tens of thousands of retaliatory Iranian missiles descend upon Israel from their redoubts in homes and mosques all over Lebanon (and Gaza).”

      But what’s also implied is that the Saudis can tolerate Israel as a nuclear power but not Iran. Nobody actually accepts that Israel is the bad guy in the neighborhood other than according to Islam. Which apparently takes a back seat to survival some times.

      • Chezwick

        Interesting take. I see it more as the Saudis trying to maintain the status quo. Israel has been a nuclear power for decades, with no major regional repercussions…(Israel’s conventional forces having been a sufficient deterrence all these years). Iran going nuclear has upset the apple-cart and is transforming the regional balance. If there is one thing we know about the House of Saud, change of ANY kind makes them quite nervous.

        • truebearing

          It isn’t simply change that Saudi Arabia is worried about. They know as well as anyone that Iran is serious in its intent to expand power and use its nukes once it gets them. This isn’t something the Saudis want to do, they see it as an exigency of survival, and they are correct.

          If Saudi Arabia is using Israel, it is to buy time while they offer huge sums of money to anyone willing to sell them their own nukes….Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, or maybe China in return for oil. Obama has opened Pandora’s Nuclear Box, and every Muslim country with the money to do so will be trying to acquire them.

          • Moa

            The Saudis have already bought nukes. They are waiting in Pakistan for them.

            Saudi is worried. Why? because in addition to Iran, the Muslim Brotherhood is also trying to bump the House of Saud off. That’s one of Osama bin Laden’s goals, to kick the Saudis out (for not being Islamic enough). Note, Al Qeada are allied with the Muslim Brotherhood – they’re just playing a “good job, bad cop” for those who have not got up to speed on Islamic doctrine (like the absolutely clueless Obama Administration and their legions of know-nothing supporters).

          • RichardIsGod, In the

            What a nut job you are. The Nazi’s didn’t go to South America, they went down under.

          • Moa

            The only reason you think that is because you are so ignorant you don’t understand my statements.

            Here, the BBC confirms what I said – and also confirms that you are full of sh!t (but too damn dumb to know thatr you are wrong. Again).
            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24823846

            How about you stop showing your ignorance and instead listen to folks who know a damn sight more than you appear to do. You might learn something about subjects you know little about.

          • logdon

            Moa is right and to revert to your ad hominem, you are an imbecile.

          • defcon 4

            I had thought a good proportion of nazis went to islam0fascist states like Syria, who protected them from any prosecution for crimes against humanity.

          • Linda Snodgrass

            They went to BOTH COUNTRIES…

          • defcon 4

            Are you kidding me? Do you seriously think the zero administration is clueless? I can only imagine the kind of intel on the islam0fascist world they have access to, and suppress.

          • No RNC

            Difficult to pick winners in this battle, here’s my list for destruction, 1. Saudi Arabia, 2. Iran, 3. Pookeestan, 4. Turkey, 5. Iraq, 6. Afghanistan

          • truebearing

            I have no way of knowing who has nukes, or when they’ll get them, but it is clear that the Saudis will get nukes, if they don’t already have them.

            Given the Saudis affection for the Muslim Brotherhood, the Egyptian military may be the beneficiaries of some Saudi nukes. The Saudis are furious with Obama for undermining Mubarak and need powerful Sunni allies. Once again, Obama can take credit for teeing up Armageddon.

            I can see a nuclear bean bag toss in the Middle East with several nations participating, including Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey, and of course, Israel trying to defend itself in a sea of insanity.

          • defcon 4

            MAD doesn’t work w/psychopathic muslimes doing the work of allah. I’m sure Al Qaida, or any number of psychopathic muslime terrorist outfits, would gladly employ nukes against the kaffir world.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “Iran going nuclear has upset the apple-cart and is transforming the regional balance.”

          That’s some impressive understatement.

          “If there is one thing we know about the House of Saud, change of ANY kind makes them quite nervous.”

          This is beyond allowing women to drive, or tolerating cable television.

          Iran is seen as being contained or encircled by Sunni regimes and I guess by Western dhimmi states as well. Iran acquiring nukes would change the global political dynamics of Islam. Terrorism would increase in the West and in Islamic regimes where Shia minorities were not treated at least as equals. That’s would be immediate, and we can’t even begin to imagine long term implications. Well we can imagine but…

          It’s a big deal to everyone but radical leftists, who will manage to see this as some kind of social justice win if it happens.

          • defcon 4

            There was a high speed police chase in Saudi Barbaria, sometime within the last 5 years, in which the suspected “crime” committed was playing music.

    • defcon 4

      So the Doomsday Clock will be moving to 1 sec. to midnight — all thanks to islam — because unlike the Communists, muslimes don’t mind killing millions to satisfy their death god. I’m surprised Paki nukes haven’t been used by islam0fascists yet; the despots who run that theocracy must be getting lots of jizya to keep their nuclear djinn in its bottle.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        Pakistan probably understands that they’re not in a position to “advance Islam” with the actual use of nukes. To this point it’s been worth it just to have them, for a number of reasons.

        They are apparently more savvy at global politics than we usually give them credit for.

        • defcon 4

          Pakistain is no less evil than any other islam0fascist state — just ask any of the Hindus, Christians or Sikhs who used to live there.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Their politicians are just a little smarter than many others.

  • The Guardian

    Vive Le France

    • Michael__Durham

      C’est “La”, pas “Le”.

    • truebearing

      But it will require expunging the Muslims from the country, as well as the socialists from leadership.

      • defcon 4

        I think the collaborators of islam0fascism deserve the same fate Nazee collaborators did during and after WW2.

        • truebearing

          Is there any other solution? They aren’t going to reform, and they don’t belong in free nations because they will work incessantly to make them enslaved nations. Why allow them to live with free people they intend to destroy?

      • Drakken

        We are way beyond the point of expunging them, they will either flee out of fear, or will be dealt with in what I like to call the Serb Option. The leftist traitors will either get lined up against a wall or hung from the neatest lamp post.

  • TheOrdinaryMan

    Why is France “trying to decide” whether to join the Israeli-Saudi opposition to Obama? What’s stopping them? Iran will never agree to Hollande’s conditions; and France likely knows that.

  • davarino

    The left wants Iran to have nukes, just like they wanted NK to have nukes.

    Thats All

    • objectivefactsmatter

      Social justice.

      • defcon 4

        Maybe that’s how zero, and his amoral, apathetic, supporters justify islam0fascist ethnic cleansing, genocide and persecution of the najjis kaffir.

  • retired

    1234

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Can I have a little bit more?

      • defcon 4

        Maybe he’s learning to count and showing off his new found knowledge.

  • kate5778b

    Saudi must be worried about an Iranian nuke to all its near to surface oil. Saudi Arabia exported Islam, and it’s other half, the Shite side has come back to bite……its head off (yes, that’s appropriate).

  • retired

    I would like to make a few points here.
    1)What will happen if an agreement is not signed?Israel will still need to bomb Iran.Stories are out that Obama had quietly started to ease sanctions months ago under the table.While these talks have been going on Iran has continued with their nuclear project,all the while buying time at Geneva.The only alternative would be for congress to ratchet up the already existing sanctions to an unbearable level for Iran & do it in a big enough way to override Obama’s veto!
    2)The European elite,being the degenerate Eurotrash that they are,don’t care if they blow up a good part of the world.All they want is big pieces of Iranian business & tons of profits.This is the same bag of tricks they used in the 1930s playing catch with Hitler.When Hitler had enough fun & games with the elite fools he invaded Poland & WW2 broke out.After all,the blue nose elite snobs who helped build the monster would not go out to fight & die! The ordinary working stiffs went out & got killed by the millions fighting the monster their rulers helped to create.Can we imagine what would have happened if the Nazi’s had the Atomic bomb in 1939?
    3)When Goat faced Ashton laughed that the cake was ready to be put in the oven did she really mean that the “Jews were ready to be put in the oven”?

    4)Pundits have to dance around the issue of motive. Why is the Obama gang doing this?They have to be diplomatic & say that Obama & his henchmen were being fooled or they were unrealistic or something else along those lines.I have a different take on this business,these people are not stupid or fools.They are nasty sociopaths & care nothing about America or the rest of Humanity! I believe that they march to the orders of the people behind the scenes who own Obama & the rest of the political sock-puppets & they would throw the world off of a cliff if ordered to do so!

    • defcon 4

      Is the United States of 0bamastan much different than Eurotrash WRT islam0fascist petroleum profits?

  • Rick Geiger

    Well, the Saudi regime is filled with racist Jew haters among others, but they know one thing, they can make a deal with the Jews that will be kept, whereas they know that the Iranian regime in power hates them more than they hate the Jews and will never keep their word with the Saudi regime

    • defcon 4

      Iran hates Saudi Arabia more than they hate Israel? Really? I’d suspect the holey “republic” of Iran is more egalitarian than that.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      The sunni hate the shiites and vice versa.

      Been like that for 1,400 years.

      That’s why “the religion of peace” is such an oxymoron.

  • Dina

    number ONE question: Why Obama is so covertly happy at Iran nuclearization ?
    number TWO question: Why no one- but really no one all over the planet – thinks that a Nuclear Iran is first and formeost a THIRD WORLD uprising ? or in Alynsky novaspeak ; a ” have-not ” revolution able to upset the current world order ?
    number THREE question: Why no one thinks of the Trotskyist root of Alinsky-Obama ?
    number FOUR question: Why do troskyists movements in europe are organizing the arab-muslim workers as the new vanguard of anti-capitalism ? And why the trotskyist perfectly accept that the new arab workers keep their islamic credo and backward behaviours as totally acceptable with the aim of revolution in the west.
    number FIVE question : Why do Obama is so happy with the so-called arab spring and why he is so disappointed by the military coup in Egypt ( sustained by Saudi Arabia wihch slowly grasps the radical agenda of Obama )

    • LibertarianToo

      Obama is the Muslim Brotherhood’s houseboy. He wasn’t so pleased with the “arab spring” democracy uprisings in Iran in 2009, which were quickly put down. Yet he funneled American aid to Egypt to overthrow Mubarak, called for quick elections before non-Brotherhood candidates were organized to run, congratulated Morsi and started in with the big US support, but has now cut off American aid since Morsi has been ousted. Meanwhile he was ready to go to war in Syria to help the Brotherhood rebels trying to oust Assad, and continues to supply them. All while carefully ignoring Islamist murder and mayhem around the globe. “That’s his jihad.”
      What amazes me with regards to Iran is that anyone believed they need nuclear energy “for peaceful purposes” when they sit on top of the third(?) largest oil reserves on the planet. They need nuclear energy like the Saudis need nuclear energy.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.”

    Normally, the Saudis are waging a non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad against the USA and the infidel world in general via mass Muslim immigration, which is really a non-violent form of jihad for the very strategic purpose of stealth demographic conquest and via the building of thousands of Saudi operated mosques throughout the infidel and Islamic worlds in furtherance of their non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad to ultimately make Islam supreme via the imposition of Sharia (Islamic totalitarian law). Nevertheless, when the Saudis want to dupe our diplomats to get the USA to fight one of their violent jihads for them, suddenly “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” scenario takes place and the US is soon fighting one their jihads for them, as has happened on numerous occasions in places like the Baltic and in Iraq and Kuwait since the end of the Reagan administration and by both Dhimmicrat and Republican regimes.

    • defcon 4

      I’ve read that Soddy Barbaria is either the top financier of worldwide islam0fascist terrorism or a close second to Iran.

    • Texas Patriot

      You know you’re in trouble when OYM starts making sense, but in this case he may be right. The Saudis are pragmatists, and they know that money talks. If they can’t get the USA to destroy the Iranian nuclear weapons complex, why not hire the Israelis? They can always resume their religious jihad against Israel once the Iranians are defanged and helpless.

      • Samir Halabi

        Once the news got out that Israel and Saudi-Arabia have joined forces against Iran to wipe the smirk off the face of Ayatollah Khamenei,the slime-bag, it will be very difficult for Saudi-Arabia to ignore the assistance which Israel would have given them in order to save the Persian Gulf States from total Iranian control.

        • Texas Patriot

          That’s true. But the only reason the Saudi royal family has any power at all is the Wahhabi sect that put them there and keeps them there, and of all the different sects of Islam, the Wahhabis are the most conservative and most authentic followers of the teachings and life example of Muhammad.

          Israel can, and should if necessary, join together with the Saudis temporarily to deal with Iran, but eventually Israel will have to face the Saudis as well. This is a temporary emergency that threatens both Israel and the Saudis. Once it is over, it will be back to business as usual with the Wahhabis calling the shots. Why pretend? Between the Shia on the one side and the Sunni on the other side, Israel is in one of the most volatile and dangerous spots on earth, and that’s not likely to change. Israel will never have any friends in the region. Her only alternative is to be strong and become the dominant force for peace among the warring tribes of the region, or perish.

          Fortunately, with abundant natural gas resources and even more abundant potential oil shale resources, and with a highly educated and highly skilled population and innovative and entrepreneurial industrial economy, Israel has all the tools she needs to survive and thrive and be an example for all the world.

          • defcon 4

            Actually the reason the Saudi royal family controls Saudi Barbaria is due mostly to the connivance of the U.K. — ditto for Jordan.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    Obama and Kerry are both multiculturalists and Marxists, thus to them Muslims are equal to Westerners in every respect. In other words, they are ill prepared to encounter our Islamic enemies except by virtue of being very gullible useful idiot infidels.

  • joshuasweet

    Obamas goal is to destroy Israel, to advance the Muslim Brotherhood world wide just look at what he has done for them so far armed them, given them insider information on the USA Strategy by placing them inside of Homeland Security, the White House and with the secretary of State. this was how they were able to name the CIA’s agents in the middle east and hunt them down and kill them blinding them to the events that followed. then there were all the weapons deals made to advance their positions and the help during the So called “Arab Spring” that cleared the area of all obstructions to their advancement in the region.
    I have to keep asking just what was Obama doing in Pakistan in the 80′s

    • victoryman

      Right on target, Joshuasweet. I would re-title the “Arab Spring,” to, “Spring the Arabs.” Remember Obama’s three most hated entities: Our Country, our military and Israel.

  • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

    Making the Saudi government work with Israel is a good precedent. Sadly it won’t lead to a greater public recognition of the Jewish state. Still, it proves these two nations can take care of themselves with out us. Let’s also remember that the Saudi klan recently stepped in with an offer of billions to the Egyptian army when Obama said he’d pull funding after the Brotherhood was ousted.

    Perhaps we’re not needed.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “Perhaps we’re not needed.”

      We need to be “involved” but FDR certainly got us too involved with both the Saudis and the Soviets. He was basically the world’s most overrated idiot.

      • defcon 4

        He was an evil bastard who sent a boatload of Jews back to Europe to be slaughtered.

  • kaller bond

    Or does anyone in ther right mind really believe the fragile House Of Saud, guardian of Mecca, could survive marching alongside Israel to kill Muslims?

    By stockpiling state of the art weapons in Saudi Arabi, the West is creating its next Iran and a deadly threat for Israel.

    • retired

      We had Lend-Lease with the Soviets in WW2,we had no choice.Without the Russians we would not have been able to defeat the Nazi’s.All in all we made the right decision back than & shutting down the Iranian problem,no matter how,is the correct thing to do now!

      • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

        What do you mean “we had no choice?” Germany invaded Russia; Stalin had no choice. He had to fight. We had a choice. Giving Stalin enough to continue to fight but not enough to win might have been a better choice.

      • Drakken

        We were completely stupid in doing lend lease to the Soviets, the Germans would ground themselves down on the Russians eventually and the west after that could have invaded Germany from the west after a few years. As for the Iranians, one way or another war is coming.

        • defcon 4

          You know how Stalin got Roosevelt and Churchill shaking in their boots? He threatened a separate peace w/Germany.

  • vanesa

    Re: Wendy Sherman: Eve was thoroughly deceived (before the fall of man).

  • Texas Patriot

    Fascinating turn of events. It’s almost beyond belief that the leading Sunni nation, Saudi Arabia, would align itself with the Jewish State, Israel, under any circumstances other than it had good reason to be concerned about its continued existence in a world where the leading Shia nation, Iran, has nuclear weapons. All the more reason for Israel to get aggressive and start acquiring additional lands by relentless defensive conquest. When attacked, she should counterattack and seize the lands of her attackers and expel them. In this way, perhaps Israel can become an effective buffer between the perpetually warring Shia and the perpetually warring Sunni. One thing is clear. Allowing Iran to acquire nuclear weapons would be a disaster for every nation on earth. If there is even the slightest bit of doubt about this issue, there should be no treaty of any kind with Iran.

    • defcon 4

      I don’t imagine the muslime world is going to be very thrilled if Saudi Arabia allows Israeli planes to fly over, or worse yet, land in Saudi Arabia. Because muhammad himself disallowed Jews being in Saudi Arabia ever again. I’d wonder if such a move on Saudi Arabia’s part might not trigger an Arab Spring event in Saudi Arabia.

      • Texas Patriot

        Anything is possible. Nuclear weapons are a game changer, and Saudi Arabia knows it.

      • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

        Good point. Saudi Arabia is afraid of an Arab Spring. That is why it supports the Egyptian army and not the Muslim brotherhood.

        With the Sunni-Shiite religious war spreading, this brings to mind the Thirty Years War. What started as a purely religious war soon had alliances of another nature. In the end religious fervor gave way to a more secular orientation … but not after 30% of the populations died.

        Let’s stay out of this one.

        • defcon 4

          Your last sentence is naive.

      • Sean Osborne

        Hindsight is 20/20. The entire IAF strike force in “Operation Opera” (destroyed Iraq’s Osirak nuclear reactor) in 1981 overflew Saudi airspace on both the inbound and outbound legs of the mission. Saudi’s didn’t mind one bit back then, this time they’re begging the Israeli’s to git’r'done the same way.

        • defcon 4

          Why would you fly due W. to go N.? You would also then have to fly over Jordan or Iraq. Why not just go over the Med.?

          • Sean Osborne

            To get to Iran? Negative. Check a map of the region.

            In Operation Opera the IAF strike package flew northeast from southern Israel after departing Israeli airspace in the vicinity of Eilat, then turning northeast and over western Saudi Arabia on a straight bearing directly into Iraq. They could fly virtually the exact same route in order to strike nuke targets in western Iran.

            If my suspicions are correct, the Iranians could well be powerless to stop them if Israel first prepares the air-land battlefield with sub-launched non-nuclear EMP weaponry. They’ve turned off the lights in Lebanon and Syria several times in recent memory; 5 times in Syria this past year alone.

            Military planners will be studying the tactics used in this coming strike for years to come.

          • defcon 4

            I suppose Iraq is in no position to contest IAF flyovers at this point, but Iran has much better AAA than Syria ever did.
            On my globe, which might be inaccurate, flying N.E. from Israel would put you over Jordan or Iraq, not Arabia.

          • Sean Osborne

            Allow me to repeat something for you: “They could fly virtually the exact same route in order to strike nuke targets in western Iran.” The exit from Israeli air space was at the point where Israeli, Egyptian and Saudi Arabian airspace all intersect in the northern Gulf of Aqaba.

            Try Googling: “Operation Opera”

            AAA? What AAA? A robust NNEMP preparatory strike would turn off ALL electronics in western Iran for days if not weeks. This includes Iranian air defenses, tactical and commercial communications… the whole shebang. All of them in other words.

          • defcon 4

            Excellent. I wish I could volunteer to assist in such an operation, in any capacity needed.

          • Sean Osborne

            Your prayers are needed, Join me in beginning there.

          • defcon 4

            That’s something I can do, but I’d rather do more.

          • truebearing

            This is the kind of thing I can get excited over. Risking a conventional war by preempting an inevitable nuclear war is the ONLY sane strategy for dealing with Iran.

            Of course, one has to ask the obvious question: if Israel can do this, why didn’t the US when we were in Iraq and were losing good men to Iranian made IEDs?

          • Sean Osborne

            Israel’s former military intel chief Yadlin assessed the risk of a regional war erupting over an IAF strike on Iranian nukes as “unlikely” and published a scholarly paper with Avner Golov last Sunday to hammer his assessment home.

            I happen to disagree with Yadlin and Golov’s assessment that a regional war would be “unlikely.”

            I think it will be a very significant war that will, in short order, morph into two distinct wars, the first of which almost certainly involves WMD. Bible prophecy students know these wars as Jeremiah 49:34-39, Isaiah 17 and Psalm 83/Ezekiel 28:24-26, Isaiah 11:13-15 and Joshua 13:1-7. But that’s another topic entirely.

            Why hasn’t the US responded to multiple acts of war authored by Iran since the early 1980s is a better question that demands an answer. What the Qods Force did to US forces in Iraq and is doing to US forces in Afghanistan (Extortion 17) is the tip of a 34-year deep iceberg beneath the surface of current events. Why the US under the leftist Obama regime would reward Iran yet again with this history amounts to treason IMHO.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “…why didn’t the US when we were in Iraq and were losing good men to Iranian made IEDs?”

            Because of leftist psychopaths stomping their feet constantly and whining about “US imperialism.”

            Bush wanted to rule from the center. He thought he could pull it off that way and be seen as “democratic” rather than “doing what is need to protect the nation’s interests.”

            You can’t always convince people in real-time. That’s why we allow executive powers and don’t hold daily elections.

  • defcon 4

    If IAF fighter planes were allowed to fly over Saudi Arabia to attack Iran, would they be allowed to come back over Saudi Arabia? Or would Saudi Arabia proceed to intercept and shoot down the IAF on the way back? After all, treachery against Jews in Saudi Arabia is a prophet approved activity.

  • Texas Patriot

    Would the Iranians lie to get nuclear weapons?

    • defcon 4

      Muslimes lie? Tell me it ain’t so Joe!

  • J.

    Interesting, is there anything Russia have to say about this? Besides performing ominous military drills.

    • Drakken

      The Russians long term plan is very simple, let the muslims slaughter each other and are playing Obummer and company like a bunch of chumps, and they are doing a brilliant job so far.

      • J.

        I don’t think so. I think the powers that be will use Iran as a catalyst to start WWIII which will include superpowers like China and Russia. Russia has a problem with muslim immigration/jihadist in their country also.

        • Texas Patriot

          If WWIII is destined to be Russia, China, and America against the combined worldwide forces of Islamic jihad, then the sooner we get it over with the better. But I don’t think it will ever come to that.

          When the Muslims realize that their carefully calculated pretense as a “religion of peace” has been discovered and the nations into which they have immigrated know who and what they are and what their ultimate intentions are, it is highly likely that the hospitality and generosity of their host countries will evaporate.

          Under these circumstances, smart Muslims will probably want to leave for more friendly environs.

          • defcon 4

            You do realize that there are islam0nazi terrorist training camps already established here in the USA right? When the zero has stated he will side w/the muslimes and the POTUS candidates in 2016 look to be islam0nazi collaborators how do you figure the “hospitality and generosity” of the US for islam0nazism will be evaporating?

          • Texas Patriot

            Little by little, the truth sinks in, and sooner or later people start connecting the dots. When the majority of people realize that jihad is an affirmative duty for all Muslims, and what that means for their neighborhood, there will be a major shift in attitudes. Basically, when the Soccer Moms figure out what is going on, look out.

          • defcon 4

            I’m betting all criticism of islam in the US will be outlawed first, under other auspices of course, maybe even some sort of civil venue.

          • Texas Patriot

            It’ll never happen. Americans would rather go to jail or face a firing squad than give up their right to speak the truth about anything. The eighty or so years of Communist domination of American government which began shortly after WWI is coming to an end. At this point in time, Americans are waking up and realizing what political corruption has done, and is doing, to us, and the shell game of the Washington con men is getting ready to come to an end.

          • defcon 4

            I’m sure that’s what people in Canada thought before the “Human Rights Commission” was formed. Although islam0nazis in Canada have already discovered other avenues to strong arm people into preventing any criticism of Islam (as a rabbi found out when he invited Pamela Geller to speak at his synagogue).

          • Texas Patriot

            Let them try it. There is no higher value for Americans than truth, and truth always wins in the end.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            There are factions trying to do that, and it remains to be seen how successful they’ll be. It could blow up in the faces of the traitors.

          • defcon 4

            Barring a civil war, military coup or second revolution I don’t see how they can be stopped. Hell, just look at Dearbornistan, Michigan. US citizens are already having their civil rights violated by islam0nazis in Dearbornistan, Michigan and nothing is being done to stop it.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “When Muslims’ carefully calculated pretense as a “religion of peace” has been discovered and the nations into which they have immigrated realize who and what their guests are and what their ultimate intentions are, it is highly likely that the hospitality and generosity of the host countries will evaporate.”

            That is precisely why we need to be clear in our pronunciations: We’re not fooled or cowed.

        • Drakken

          The Russians have zero problem and don’t suffer from the PC human rights brigade when it comes to Islamic jihad, they simply take them out, and they don’t care how many and by whatever means necessary. Make no mistake, war is coming.

          • defcon 4

            Russia has a gigantic population of islam0nazis relative to the USA or anywhere in Western Europe/Eurabia and quantity has a quality all its own (just ask India).

    • Texas Patriot

      If the Iranian nuclear weapons complex is destroyed by preemptive strike, the Iranians will have to rebuild their plant and equipment from scratch. Guess who wins in that scenario?

      • J.

        Will that pressure Russia to get involved? Or is that huge military drills all for show?

        • Texas Patriot

          I don’t see any downside to Russia if the Iranian nuclear weapons facilities are destroyed. They are probably as worried about Iran supplying nuclear weapons to terrorists as we are.

          On the other hand, if the Iranian nuclear weapons facilities are destroyed, the Russians would be in line to reap substantial economic benefits from all the construction and supply contracts required to rebuild the Iranian facilities, all of which would paid for with Iranian oil revenues. It would be a nice boost to the Russian economy, especially their nuclear weapons technology industries.

          At the same time, it is obvious that the Russians must put up at least a “show” of force, and of course they would have to at least “act” angry if the Iranian facilities are destroyed. But the way I see it, the Russians have a lot more to gain than to lose if someone takes the initiative and surgically removes the Iranian nuclear weapons complex.

          • J.

            So if it is destroyed then you expect the Iranians to do nothing about it? And I don’t think anyone can remove their nuclear facilities without drawing any type of suspicion. That does seem good to the Russians, in that con game. But when it comes down to it Iranians could just by the warheads, if some country is willing to sell them one, instead going through all the trouble of manufacturing their own.

          • Texas Patriot

            I don’t expect the Iranians to do anything if their nuclear weapons facilities are destroyed except riot and continue with their chants of “Death to America”, etc. etc. etc. What else can they do?

            If America destroys the Iranian nuclear weapons facilities by surgical strike, the Iranians have to be very careful how they retaliate, if at all. We may have lost our former prowess as a manufacturing nation, but we have hardly lost a step in military readiness. If the Islamic Revolutionary Party of Iran commits an act of war against the United States, it will surely be the biggest mistake they have made in the short history of their inglorious republic. On the other hand, if the Israelis destroy the Iranian nuclear weapons facilities, what are the Iranians going to do, start a war with Israel? Let’s put it this way, the more waves of suicidal fanatics Iran puts in the battlefield, the easier it will be for Israel to eliminate them.

            The Iranians are playing high stakes poker, but they don’t have a winning hand. So far they have been bluffing and getting their way. That’s probably about to change.

          • J.

            Idk if Iran will pose a threat by itself, unless they already have nukes and will launch a suicidal attack, for their religious purposes, but don’t you think that striking Iran will somehow draw in its allies like China, Russia? I know you think that Russia will use an attack on their nuke facilities as way to sell them another facility, but it could also be used as a catalyst to bring in Russia and China, who’s also fed up with our B.S. into a latent WW

          • Texas Patriot

            J: “don’t you think that striking Iran will somehow draw in its allies like China, Russia?”

            Iran doesn’t have any allies, especially not China and Russia. Iran is a customer of China and Russia, but hardly allied with them in any other way.

            The truth of the matter is that the Cold War ended with Nixon’s visit to China in February of 1972, and even if we didn’t recognize it at the time, WWIII began with the terrorist attack on the Olympic Village in Munich in September 1972, less than eight months later. Since that time there has been no real threat of war between Russia, China and America, and concurrently, there has been an increasing recognition that all three of these great powers are under siege by the Islamic agenda of global conquest and submission.

            Any surgical strike on the nuclear weapons facilities of Iran would no doubt be discussed with Russia and China in advance and carried out in one fell swoop so that the facilities would be destroyed immediately. I doubt if Russia or China would even protest, but if they do, it would be be perfunctory only, and for the purposes of pleasing their engineering and equipment customer, Iran.

          • J.

            I personally think you’re down playing this to just Russia playing Iran for a fool which they aren’t. Russia and China isn’t only fed up with these islamofascist practicing jihad in their countries, but with America’s Politics as well. If it’s anyone they’re going to side with on an attack on Iran it’s going to be Iran, whether it’s for their oil, trade or an excuse to go to war with America. There is not going to be a surgical strike like what israelies do to PLO leaders, if their going to strike they’re going to do so knowing full well that Iran will retaliate.

          • Drakken

            The Russians will never side with the muslims to fight us in a ww 3 scenario. The have their own muslim problems to deal with. In case it has escaped your notice, the Russians aren’t afraid to kill 1 or 100,000 of the little jihadist bastards if it suits their purpose.

          • defcon 4

            The zero has already stated whom he will stand with and it’s not w/the forces of freedom and liberty.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Correct.

        • Drakken

          The Russians will just laugh and keep taking the money to build them another one, and they don’t take credit.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          Russia is in the end playing both sides. It wants to be perceived as backing Iran while at the same time would probably love if Iran were to be attacked.

          Iran is to Russia what all of those stupid “red” (and “Palestine liberation”) terrorist organizations were to the Soviets.

          • J.

            In the end the goal here is world government whether it’s world financial crises, world war three amongst the superpowers, or both. In the end we all lose. So let prophecy be fulfilled.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        Everyone but Iran wins.

  • Walter Sieruk

    The current regime if this Islamic “Repubilc” of Iran is based on a constitution that is based on the Quran. An important question: is the Quran the Word of God or is it a fabrication of a Man. Thus, is the Quran the truth or a fiction and a hoax? The jihadists use many verses from the Quran as the Main source of justification for their violence, mayhem and murders. There, the question is clearly given on pages 145 through 157 in THE ISLAMIC INVASION by Robert Morey in which he wrote a section on the Quran with its self-contradictions. Just two of the many he cited are the following “The Quran differs on whether a day is a thousand years or fifty thousand years in God’s sight’ and “Who was first to believe? Abraham or Moses [Sura 6:14 versus 7:143]? The above is inconsistent and illogical. Further, Morey wrote about “The fact that Judaism and Christianity broke up into different sects was used in the Quran to prove that they are not of God [Suras 30:20-32. 42:13, 14]. Yet Islam has broken up into many warring sects and therefore cannot be true if the Quran is right.” Moreover, Morey in his book shows many more contradictions and absurdities in the Quran, there are and how Muhammad incorporated extra Biblical and Jewish folklore along with pre-Islamic Arabian myth and parts of Zoroastrian and Hindu stories into the Quran. Furthermore, the Muslims claim that “the Quran is the direct, literal word of God unmodified in any way by the Prophet who uttered them at the bidding of God.” Nevertheless, in the book UNVEILING ISLAM by Ergun Mehmet and Eethi Caner has shown that the Quran was modified in the following account on pages 45. “Muhammad felt the need to improve on the words of Allah, since he changed Allah’s wisdom for his own on several occasions. A hadith tells of the nonchalant emendations of Muhammad:’ On a number of occasions he [a scribe] had, with the Prophet’s consent changed the closing words of verses. For example, when the prophet had said ‘God is mighty and wise ‘ Adbollah b. Abi Sarh suggested writing down ‘Knowing and wise’ and the Prophet answered that there was no objection. Having observed a succession of changes of this type, Adbollah renounced Islam on the grounds that revelations, if from God could not be changed at the prompting of a scribe such as himself. After his apostasy he went to Mecca and joined the Qorayshites.’ Other writers reveal that later Muhammad and his people did go war with the Qorayshites and he personally killed Abdollah. Obviously Abdollah knew too much and Muhammad wanted Abdollah’s knowledge to die with him.” In conclusion, the Quran is not only a fiction, it’s also a hoax.

  • Cotto Djalloh

    The french absolutely CANNOT be entrusted to lead or be part of an arab-israel-france alliance against iran. All president Hollande wants is to sell some weapons and fill the dotted lines on the middle-east defense contracts with “france” instead of “USA”.
    Hollande knows and feels and senses the arab and israeli outrage at the white house. To become president of France you need the senses and the betrayal qualities of the devil himself. Just remember how many times hollande has threatened assad in syria, threats that turned out to be hollower than hollow.

    • Texas Patriot

      The tide has turned. Mali was a wakeup call. Now even the French can see that the goal of Islam is to conquer and subjugate the world.

      • defcon 4

        If they didn’t know that by now they’re as dumb as a bunch of rocks. It’s possible the amoral, apathetic, atheist Europeons know full well the goals of islam0nazism and just don’t give a damn.

        • Texas Patriot

          The disinformation about Islam has been widespread and extremely effective. Our last two presidents, George W. Bush and Barack Obama, both called Islam a religion of peace. Why should the French wake up any sooner than anyone else?

  • Drakken

    You can drill through glass.

    • defcon 4

      And of course the muslimes doing it don’t have to worry about high levels of radioactivity — because allah will protect them.

  • Ellman48

    “She admitted that at times he was brutal, but also compared him to “a
    big-city mayor who goes to see whether the garbage is being collected.”

    Liberalism is a mental disorder! This kind of equivalence can only come from a mind not in touch with reality and incapable of both logic and common sense. And this is only one example of thousands about how dysfunctional the mental condition on the Left is! The problem, of course, is that they are running this country, the blind leading the blind, instead of getting the help they need in sanitariums and psychiatric clinics.

    • TheSunDidIt

      God said in His Word that in the last days he would turn those who reject him over to “a reprobate mind”. In other words, they’ll be unable to think reasonably. I think we’re there.

  • susan

    Who the fuck is Saudi?

    • defcon 4

      The slave masters of Mecca.

  • susan

    is Soddy Barbarian is the same as Saudi sheikdom?

    • Drakken

      Yup.

  • Nabuquduriuzhur

    What I find fascinating is France of all countries not supporting terrorism like they supported Saddam. Even the Iranians didn’t take 400,000+ people, shoot them, and bury them in the desert. Only France could get away with breaking Article I of the NATO Treaty and just have that breach ignored.

    Of course, our own country did something similar with the Oklahoma City Bombings. The possible Iraqi connection was inconvenient to Clinton, so it was tossed without actually checking it out. Years later, it turned out the Iraqis were involved in it, which explained how a “car bomb” could magically take down reinforced steel columns— it wasn’t just a car bomb.

    • defcon 4

      I thought France dropped out of NATO way back when DeGaulle was still President?

  • Daniel

    good company, just lovely

  • Phil

    Our Dictator has abdicated his responsibility of protecting the free world.
    Someone has to do it.
    He has turned all his attention to ruin the greatest country that ever was and enslave its people..
    His word is no good to anyone. He has lost all trust with OUR allies and is mocked by OUR enemies.
    I beg the world forgive us for this Despotic Totalitarian Maniac .
    He denounces God and is trying to have any semblance of recognition wiped out of existence.
    He IS an enemy to freedom. Do not hold a grudge on US for it. We will restore our role as lovers of freedom once we remove him and his depots.
    Please forgive us for our current treasonous despotic government.
    They are not of us.

  • TJefferson44

    Islamist, terror-sponsoring countries should never be allowed to develop or own nuclear weapons. Why? Israel and other western and democratic powers have many nuclear weapons, and could, if they had really wanted to, destroyed any and all terror-sponsoring enemies. They have always used responsible, civil restraint. Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan, and other terror-sponsoring countries allowed to acquire nuclear weapons, would only act against western nations as they do with suicide bombers against innocent human life.

    These killers should be, not appeased, but stopped at all costs! Obama/Kerry are living in a make-believe world. Their policies of appeasement with Iran will destabilize the region even more and in the end could wind up strengthening our terrorist enemies and getting many more ultimately killed.