The Illusion of Peace Negotiations

Joseph Klein is a Harvard-trained lawyer and the author of Global Deception: The UN’s Stealth Assault on America’s Freedom and Lethal Engagement: Barack Hussein Obama, the United Nations & Radical Islam.


ALeqM5hE7GpW47ZfhgwzwEY3B-PBx54C0AIsraeli and Palestinian negotiators are in Washington this week to meet face to face under State Department auspices. Although the talks are focusing initially on procedural issues rather than any substantive matters, Secretary of State John Kerry hailed their resumption as a major accomplishment.

In announcing the appointment of Martin Indyk, former U.S. Ambassador to Israel, as the U.S. Special Envoy for Israeli-Palestinian Negotiations during a press briefing Monday morning, Kerry praised “the courageous leadership of Prime Minister Netanyahu and President Abbas” and “their willingness to make difficult decisions.”

The Monday evening “negotiation” session, hosted by Kerry, was attended by Israel’s justice minister, Tzipi Livni, Prime Minister Binjamin Netanyahu’s envoy Yitzhak Molcho, the Palestinian chief negotiator, Saeb Erekat, and Fatah official Muhammad Shtayyeh. They met over an Iftar dinner at the State Department, flanked by the American, Israeli and Palestinian flags. Before the dinner began, Kerry met with the Israelis and Palestinians separately.

After one more session on Tuesday, the negotiators head home, where further talks will be held at some undisclosed location in the Middle East.

Although details of what was said at the dinner have not yet been disclosed, Kerry was reportedly set to read a statement specifying the pre-1967 lines as the basis for negotiation on Palestinian statehood, with minor one-to-one land swaps. This is the Arab League-Obama administration proposal for a two-state solution, which ignores Israel’s legitimate security concerns. It also asks for no concessions from the Palestinians, who continue to insist on the right to re-locate millions of Palestinian refugees within pre-1967 Israel.

When Kerry visited the United Nations last week, he referred to both Israel and the Palestinians as two “countries” preparing to put into place procedures for resumed talks. He used the term “countries” again in referring to Israel and the Palestinian territories during his Monday morning remarks. In return for the Palestinians’ “difficult” decision to enter into procedural talks with Israel, has Kerry offered the Palestinians some sort of private assurance of tacit support for their quest for statehood recognition at the UN and elsewhere, as his repeated references to two “countries” would seem to suggest?

What exactly are the “difficult decisions” made by both sides to kick start the negotiations? The truth is that only Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu actually made a difficult decision.  Against some opposition in his own party and over protests by families of victims of Palestinian terrorist attacks, Netanyahu has decided to release in stages as many as 104 Palestinian prisoners, many of whom have served prison terms of two decades or more for murdering Israelis in cold blood.

“This moment is not easy for me,” Netanyahu said. “It is not easy especially for the families, the bereaved families, whose heart I understand. But there are moments in which tough decisions must be made for the good of the country, and this is one of those moments.”

What tough decision did Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas make other than temporarily putting aside all of his preconditions that would have prejudged the final outcome of any meaningful final status negotiations? He merely promised, according to reports, to put off for a few months seeking expanded membership status at the United Nations and pursuing bogus legal action against Israel in the International Criminal Court.

Back in 2008, Abbas demonstrated his lack of interest in a negotiated peace fair to both sides when he rejected a peace proposal from Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that would have given the Palestinians approximately 94% of the West Bank. The Palestinians rejected Israel’s offer because they did not get 100% of what they wanted, including the full “right of return” and every stone of East Jerusalem under Palestinian rule.

Here is what Saëb Erakat, the chief Palestinian negotiator then and now, himself said about the rejected offer during a television appearance in March 2009, as transcribed by MEMRI:

Abu Mazen [Palestinian President Abbas] could have accepted a proposal that talked about Jerusalem and almost 100% of the West Bank, but it is not our goal to score points against one another here. Our strategic goal, when we strive for peace, is not to do so at any price. We strive for peace on the basis of an Israeli withdrawal to the June 4, 1967 borders, the establishment of an independent Palestinian state, with East Jerusalem as its capital, and with the West Bank and the Gaza Strip geographically connected… There will be no peace whatsoever unless East Jerusalem – with every single stone in it – becomes the capital of Palestine[.]

Nothing has changed on the Palestinian side. We have essentially the same cast of characters espousing the same take-it-or-leave it position that would undermine Israel’s future as a Jewish state. Moreover, Abbas is as incapable now, as he was in 2008, of delivering a unified Palestinian proposal for peace. Hamas, which controls Gaza, declared that it “considers the Palestinian Authority’s return to negotiations with the occupation to be at odds with the national consensus.” As if to prove Hamas to be right, hundreds of Palestinians marched on Sunday in the West Bank city of Ramallah to protest the resumption of talks.

Even if a deal could somehow be reached between the Palestinian Authority and Israel, the Palestinian Authority sees negotiations as a mere tactic on the way to reaching their eventual goal of eliminating the Jewish state from the river to sea.

On July 19, 2013, the Palestinian Authority Minister of Religious Affairs, Mahmoud Al-Habbash, invoked the actions of Prophet Mohammed as justification for breaking a treaty. He said in a sermon in front of Mahmoud Abbas on Palestinian Authority TV that reaching an agreement with Israel was “exactly like the Prophet [Muhammad] did in the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah, even though some opposed it.”  Mohammed entered into this treaty with the Quraish Tribe of Mecca, but broke it two years later when his forces attacked and conquered Mecca.

“This is the example, this is the model,” the Palestinian Authority Minister of Religious Affairs proclaimed.

In September 2011, on Al-Jazeera TV, Fatah Central Committee member Abbas Zaki was even more explicit on the Palestinians’  true intentions:

The agreement is based on the borders of June 4 [1967]. While the agreement is on the borders of June 4, the President [Mahmoud Abbas] understands, we understand, and everyone knows that it is impossible to realize the inspiring idea, or the great goal in one stroke. If Israel withdraws from Jerusalem, if Israel uproots the settlements, 650,000 settlers, if Israel removes the (security) fence – what will be with Israel? Israel will come to an end. If I say that I want to remove it from existence, this will be great, great, [but] it is hard. This is not a [stated] policy. You can’t say it to the world. You can say it to yourself.

The only possible good sign in all of this is Kerry’s appointment of former U.S. Ambassador to Israel Martin Indyk as his Special Envoy to manage U.S. interests in further talks. At least he will bring an understanding of Israel’s hot button issues while at the same time having some credibility with Palestinian negotiators.  However, without a president who can tell the difference between our only true ally in the Middle East and a deceptive Palestinian negotiating team that is not committed to a genuine peace and that does not speak for all Palestinians in any case, these talks will only move forward to a conclusion if Israel is forced to sacrifice its security and future as a Jewish state. Barack Obama is not that president.

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  • FactsRule

    Senior PA official: “If we had a nuke, we’d have used it this very morning”Lebanese TV host: “The American [John Kerry] came to the PA. They are talking about reviving negotiations, about getting back to the table with the Israelis… Will you go back to the negotiations game?”
    Jibril Rajoub: “There is no going back to negotiations unless the source of authority is the international resolutions, with a time frame and with the freezing of all unilateral Israeli steps: Jerusalem, the fence, settlements and prisoners.”
    Host: “You’ve heard Israel’s refusal.”
    Jibril Rajoub: “That doesn’t matter. Listen. We as yet don’t have a nuke, but I swear that if we had a nuke, we’d have used it this very morning.”Al-Mayadeen (Lebanon)Apr. 30, 2013(1 min)
    http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=472&doc_id=8927

    • BS77

      How on earth do you “negotiate” with barbarians who, year in and year out, keep declaring they do not recognize your right to exist, fire thousands of rockets at you, say over and over their goal is to destroy you, destroy your nation and slaughter your children?

      • Joseph

        I dunno…ask an “American” jew on that ……they still wondering what side they’re on….maybe they see something you don’t

  • Terry

    I am disgusted at the pressure that Obama and his village idiot Kerry have put on Israel. I can’t begin to think about what the families of the victims of the released genocide murderers think of the concept of western justice!! Their memories dumped on Kerry’s trash heap so that talks can take place between Israel and an illegitimate crowd of Jew hating scum!! I pray that no agreement comes from these talks as it can only be to Israel’s detriment to shake hands with the devil. NOTHING justifies the death penalty for terrorist scum more than this act of treachery by the village idiot. Should further Jews dies as a result, Kerry should be charged with aiding and abetting genocide.

    • Well Done

      0bama is an Indonesian Moslem. What does he care about Israel? For that matter, he has proven he doesn’t care about America, preferring the world left’s view of America as The Source Of Most Of The World’s Problems. He’s a blame-America-first Indonesian Jihadist. His breed of jihadi is far more dangerous than the random, throw-acid-at-schoolgirls or blow-up-a-tourist-bus kind.

      • EarlyBird

        Well Done, you’re missing an important point: letting the prisoners out of prison is a concession to get the “peace talks” underway which costs Israel virtually nothing security-wise, and absolutely nothing strategically. It hurts emotionally but in no other way.

        Your idiocy about Obama being an anti-American Muslim is absurd and disgraceful.

    • EarlyBird

      Terry,
      After you take your meds and a nice long nap, please explain why the Obama administration is made up of “Jew hating scum” responsible for “treachery” and “aiding and abetting genocide,” because it persuaded Netanyahu to release – in stages mind you – terrorists as a precondition for talks with the Pals, all while George W. Bush actually had Sharon command the IDF to physically remove Jews from their homes in the settlements (!), and he is considered a friend of Israel?

      This is not a tit for tat thing here. I’m trying to break through your mental static to get you to see how incredibly disportionate you’re being.

  • Hank Rearden

    One thing that Israel absolutely refuses to do – and it is bewildering as to why – is to make its case in the public forum. Doing so is a mosaic with many tiles. It is not some single bombastic speech, but rather an attitude that defending itself forensically is ultimately almost as, or actually as, important as defending itself militarily and taking the opportunities to do so as they present themselves in different forms and different forums.

    Negotiations are always bad for Israel’s basic position because they convey the subtext that there is something illegitimate about Israel that NEEDS to be negotiated.

    For instance, take the 104 terrorists to be released, apparently in phases. Let’s take the 10 most violent.

    Why not hold a press conference hosted by Netanyahu (to be sure it is covered) where each of the 10 terrorists is celebrated for their career. This press conference would include a large map of Israel where Netanyahu would point out where the terrorist event occurred.

    And then a description of what happened. Pictures of the victims. The families of the victims sitting in a special section of the audience that Netanyahu identifies.

    “We in Israel are opposed to blowing up buses with children and women on them as ____ ______ did. But, this is one of the persons who the Palestinian authority has told us is important to them to be returned to them. We would not have met their request, except that for reasons we do not understand our great friend, America, and the international community in general, desires the freedom of _____ _______.

    Why is he in jail? 10 women dead; here are their pictures.
    3 boys dead; these are their pictures.
    3 girls dead; their families have said we can show these pictures of them.
    15 men dead; here are their pictures.

    8 with arms blown off.
    12 with legs which had to be amputated.

    We in Israel do not approve of these things, but we live in the world community and as a concession to our great friend, to that community, and particularly at the request of Palestinian leadership in these negotiations that they value this man, we are releasing him to them.

    Now, to the next man we are releasing…

    Something like that. It turns a nasty requirement – releasing terrorists – into an opportunity for Israel to TELL IT’S STORY, TO MAKE IT’S CASE. And how many people are going to stand up in public – whether Palestinians, or Israeli leftists, or European Jew-haters – and endorse these men after what they did is explained IN GREAT DETAIL?

    • Grantman

      This. This. This.

      One of the Israeli’s biggest faults is their inability to truly explain facts. This has been going on since 1967. Prior to that, it was David; after that war, it has been portrayed as Goliath. One of the dumbest foreign policy failures of the modern world.

    • Bert

      You are absolutely right!! The problem is that Netanyahu and the Israeli leadership is rotten to the core. They are corrupt politicians who only want to remain in power. They are NOT real Jews with a true Jewish spirit to give them the courage to speak truth to power. The only man in Israel willing to stand for truth and principle is Moshe Feiglin and he is not in power.

      • cathy

        Bert

        What is your thoughts regarding Economy Minister Naftali Bennett? Thanks

    • Well Done

      ALL those released are murderers. There should be NO “gaza strip” or “west bank”. it should all be Israel. they should probably have kept the Sinai peninsula as well, all Egypt has done is leave it a nest of criminals.

      • EarlyBird

        Your post is an honest summation of current Israeli policy.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    The only time there can be peace between Israel and the so-called Palestinians is when Israel agrees to surrender to Islam, i.e., to be subjugated into Islamic totalitarianism via the imposition of Sharia, which is Islamic totalitarian law. Until that time, there can be no peace, as the sole fundamental purpose of Islam is the subjugation of all religions and all infidels into Islamic totalitarianism via the imposition of Sharia, which again is Islamic totalitarian law. Hence, the peace process in essence is stealth and deceptive non-violent jihad used to weaken Israel.

    • Zionist Libertarian

      Please call them by their proper name. They’re the “Inventedstinians”

      • kate5778b

        They are Arab Muslims.

  • PouponMarks

    Israel should have adopted the death penalty from its inception. Almost all these Palestinians are mass murderers. If they were given the death penalty, there would not be a hostage exchange situation. Plus, Talmudic and Torah justice would have been served.

  • Vivienne

    Israel does need to stop apologising for what is rightfully hers through the unanimous agreement of the League of Nations in 1947/47. The Palestinians at that time refused to sign, WHY? As one commentator states this whole business needs to be brought before International Law. Israel has OIL & Gas. Now we know why Erkat and his side kick Dr.Mohammed want to get their grubby hands on Israel. Israel is a thriving nation with a viable economy, infrastructure, well trained and well equipped Defense forces. There will be no peace with these Arab freaks at any cost until Israel submits and gives up her right to live in her own country to these lazy religious freaks. Just look at Saudi, a bunch of lazy libidinous men trolling around in night shirts with gingham handkerchiefs on their heads, buying trafficked children, auctioning off white Virgins for huge sums of Ryalls, sitting around their air conditioned palaces and the rest of the layabouts live off welfare and employ black slaves still imported from Africa. The middle East is all about oil black gold, and the lazy parasites who were nomadic camel herders, but T H Lawrence romanticised the lot of them and gave them a voice and so now we have become dependent on them for OIL and they may do exactly what they like and we are letting them do so. Islam is on the increase world wide, why is every nation hiding behind diplomacy and polite conversation and fake peace talks?

    • StanleyT

      At the risk of being called pedantic, Israel’s right to all of Judea and Samaria and all of Jerusalem goes back further than 1947/8 to 1920, the San Remo Conference and subsequently, the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine. That marked the creation of Israel and created international law on the matter. This was enshrined in the UN Charter under Chapter 80 and cannot be changed, except by agreement of the rightful owners of the land, the Jews.

      What happened in 1947/48 was Israel’s first big mistake. A United Nations General Assembly resolution cannot change or create international law. However, the Jews agreed to this resolution. Had the Arabs agreed, new international law would have been created, with each side now the owners of the portions of the land they had accepted. When the Arabs attacked, they rendered the Partition Plan absolutely null and void.

      In summary, the original international law still stands and Israel still has better claim to all of Judea and Samaria and all of Jerusalem than any other entity. But, as you and Hank Reardon point out, Israel doesn’t stand up and claim its rights. Instead, Israel begs the “Palestinians” to take some of what is rightfully hers, thus giving the impression that it doesn’t really belong to Israel.

      • Texas Patriot

        It would seem, therefore, that Israel should immediately withdraw her offer to accept the 1947/1948 proposal because of the 65-year failure of the Palestinians to accept it, which would theoretically return the matter to the status quo of the 1920 accords.

    • Well Done

      The only reason 0bama is sticking his fingers into this situations is that Israel has recently discovered both gas and oil on Israeli land. That will never do! 0bama and his ilk do NOT want Western nations to have their own fossil fuel source. The Saudis pay him WAY to much for him to allow that. Lucky for the West, 0bama doesn’t have the gravitas or the on-the-ground resources to impose his will, for he has been busy defunding those, preferring to fund resources that he thinks will consolidate his power domestically. It’s comical to watch this asz whole and his asz whole administration unravel!

      • Vivienne

        Thanks for the compliment it’s always good to know that one doesn’t always make blunders! Erekat acting in the so called Peace Talks is keen to Palestiniaize Israel completely, according to his Facebook Page which I couldn’t access. However, a pretty good Journalist on Algemiener or JPost wrote up a piece on the subject in 30/7 News. People forget Hussein attacked Kuwait first in the ’90′s, the Kuwait’s have approached Israel for support for fear of coming under fire again, from Iran, are Kuwaite’s Shiite? Iran is Sunni and this whole business in the Middle East is about OIL and how cheap the Yanks are getting it. Scenario Petro dollars against another currency? Which will Israel use? She’s shrewd so I couldn’t surmise. Things are going to get worse before better.

  • Texas Patriot

    Very soon now Israel must become the dominant force in the Middle East, or it must cease to exist. There can be no peace with members of a religion that are absolutely committed to your destruction and elimination from the earth.

    • EarlyBird

      It IS the dominant force in the Middle East, and has been for about 30 years.

      • Texas Patriot

        It’s going to have to become a lot more dominant, or it won’t survive. The first step is developing energy independence. The second step is cutting the umbilical chords with America and Europe. The third step is responding aggressively to attacks by Islamic jihadists, confiscating and expelling the attackers from the lands where the attacks originated. In this way, either the attacks will stop, or Israel will eventually re-conquer and reclaim the entirety of the Biblical Promised Land, in which event it would be ideally located to act as a buffer between the perpetually warring Shia to the North and the Sunni to the South. There is no other way to ensure lasting peace and stability in the region.

  • Mladen_Andrijasevic

    My interpretation of why Netanyahu agreed to free the Palestinian murderers:

    Hi guys, Iran is our only real concern and I will do anything to stop it going nuclear, even enter into these, at this time, absurd negotiations with the Palestinians and release murderers to start them. I do not have much of a choice. Obama is breathing down my neck and I need some room to plan our pre-emptive attack on the Iranian nuclear sites. It was really beyond my control that 63 percent of American Jews voted for a President who supports the Muslim Brotherhood, a virulently ant-Semitic and anti-American organization whose motto is: “Allah is our objective; the Quran is our law, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations ” and a President who appeases Iran.

    Most Americans, including their President, have no clue that the doctrine of mutually assured destruction MAD will not work with Iran, but I have heard directly from Bernard Lewis his “for people with this mindset, M.A.D. is not a constraint; it is an inducement…” and I trust his expertise.

    So you have to trust that we in the Israeli government know what we are doing. We are fighting for Israel’s very survival and we will prevail.

    What Netanyahu really meant to say in his open letter
    http://www.madisdead.blogspot.co.il/2013/07/what-netanyahu-really-meant-to-say-in.html

    • StanleyT

      You have no idea how much I hope and pray that you are right and that Netanyahu really does have those intentions.

      • Mladen_Andrijasevic

        Israel does not have much of a choice. This is what Bernard Lewis, a Princeton University scholar of Islam, says about the doctrine of mutually assured destruction, MAD and Iran:

        This is what Bernard Lewis, a Princeton University scholar of Islam, says about mutually assured destruction, MAD, and Iran:

        In this context, the deterrent that worked so well during the Cold War, namely M.A.D. (Mutual Assured Destruction) , would have no meaning. At the End of Time, there will be general destruction anyway. What will matter is the final destination of the dead– hell for the infidels, and the delights of heaven for the believers. For people with this mindset, M.A.D. is not a constraint; it is an inducement…

        Why are Bernard Lewis’s views on MAD ignored?
        http://www.madisdead.blogspot.co.il/2012/05/why-are-bernard-lewiss-views-on-mad.html

        or what Raphael Israeli, a Hebrew University scholar of Islam, says about MAD:

        According to Shi’ite eschatology, the end of the world will come with the return of the Imam, whose arrival will be announced by violent pangs, unrest, wars, injustice and misery; and all the more, the more imminent his coming. Namely, mad leaders like Ahmadinejad, who are full of hatred and bellicosity, and imbued with messianic zeal and unimpressed by any worldly circumstances or restrictions, might very well, especially when controlling nuclear powers, decide to use them regardless of the costs or the consequences, as long as it will hasten the return of the Imam. For then, even the worst errors made by human leaders would, in their view, be redressed in an instant by the omnipotent Imam in the new post-apocalyptic world.

        MAD Deterrence and Mad Leaders
        http://www.madisdead.blogspot.co.il/2011/10/mad-deterrence-and-mad-leaders.html

        or a German scholar, Mattias Kuntzel:

        There are other dictatorships in the world. But only in Iran are the fantasy-worlds of antisemitism and religious mission linked with technological megalomania and the physics of mass destruction. The specific danger presented by the Iranian nuclear option stems from the unique ideological atmosphere surrounding it – a mixture of holy war and high-tec, of antisemitism and weapons-grade uranium, of death-wish and missile research, of Shiite messianism and plutonium

        Matthias Küntzel – Antisemitism, Messianism and the Cult of Sacrifice:The Iranian Holy War
        http://www.madisdead.blogspot.co.il/2012/09/matthias-kuntzel-antisemitism_8.html

        or a former Iranian diplomat

        Former Iranian diplomat: ‘Iran would definitely use nuclear weapon on Israel’

        http://www.madisdead.blogspot.co.il/2013/01/former-iranian-diplomat-iran-would.html

    • EarlyBird

      Here’s another take, Mladen:
      “Hi guys, my biggest concern is to keep Iran from going nuclear AND to continue the on-going expansion of Israel’s borders. You’ll notice that I didn’t offer to stop the settlements as the concession to get the “peace talks” going, but the release of prisoners in phases. Though emotionally painful it represents nearly no security risk for Israel, and gives up nothing strategically. Because remember, our main goal in any of these “peace talks” is to make Israel as big as possible. As long as we continue building settlements, time is not on the Palestinians side. This concession was a win, not a loss, for Israel.
      “Why the “peace talks” at all? Because Israel needs the good will of the world, not Palestinians. In regard to Iran, this (and the meltdown in Egypt) gives Israel more political breathing room to make the pre-emptive attack on Iran. We look and feel like American partners on the Palestinian issue – and make it harder for the US to push us away when we want to do that attack on Iran. We look cooperative and peaceful to the outside world.
      “This is a win all around for Israel, folks. Israel has never been stronger. We are the military and economic superpower in the region, the only nuclear-armed Middle East state, and I have complete backing of my fellow Zionists whose political influence in Israel is only growing.”

      • Mladen_Andrijasevic

        Settlements? What have settlements to do with the absence of peace? There have been no Israeli settlements in Gaza since disengagement in 2005 and yet Palestinians in Gaza have launched thousands of rockets on Israeli population centers. Here is how it feels to be under a rocket barrage. When have you last experienced one?

        Be’er Sheva under Grad attack
        http://madisdead.blogspot.co.il/2012/11/beer-sheva-under-grad-attack.html

        So settlements are not the reason Palestinians attack Israel. What is? How about the jihadi ideology? Article 7 of the Hamas Charter reads:

        http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/1609.htm

        “The hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: ‘Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him,’ except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews.”

        Article 7 is taken from Hadith Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177 and quotes the Prophet Muhammad:

        http://www.hadithcollection.com/sahihbukhari/85/3715-sahih-bukhari-volume-004-book-052-hadith-number-177.html

        Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”

        The Palestinian Authority do not have this Muhammad’s quote in their charter, but would you say that they would renege on his words?

        • EarlyBird

          “What have settlements to do with the absence of peace?”

          Nothing. I made no such point.

          “So settlements are not the reason Palestinians attack Israel.”

          You are correct. The very existence of all of Israel – formerly just “settlements” too – is what they wish to extinguish.

          Back to the topic:

          Israel is continuing to expand its borders bit by bit, every day, including at the very moment I type this sentence. And that is the strategy: continue eating the cheese that is being negotiated over in the so called “peace talks.”

          Again: as long as the settlements continue, time is not on the Palestinians’ side. Every square yard of disputed territory which is claimed by a settlement is a long term win for Israel.

          So, given that other US presidents have forced Israel to give up its main strategic advantage by freezing the settlements as a precondition for “peace talks,” whereas Obama has only asked Israel to do something – release prisoners in phases – as a precondition, an action which does nothing to hurt Israel’s strategic position, how is Obama the evil president supposedly beholden to Israel’s enemies? Kerry has created probably the most advantageous position Israel has probably ever been in during US-led “peace talks.”

          And you well know that the terrorists arrayed against Israel were just as vicious in the, ’40s, ’50s, ’60s and ’70s, well before they started to become religiously radicalized.

          Which exposes your bullsh*t that they are fighting as if they are merely driven insane by the Koran. They are fighting over something very tangible: land.

          • Mladen_Andrijasevic

            You write “And you well know that the terrorists arrayed against Israel were just as vicious in the, ’40s, ’50s, ’60s and ’70s, well before they started to become religiously radicalized.”

            And who were the terrorist who attacked Israel in the ’40s, ’50s, ’60s and ’70s ? Buddhists? This war against Israel has always been a jihad, from the very beginning.

            If the terrorists who blew up the Boston Marathon, those who slit the throat of the British soldier in in the center of London, the psychiatrist who killed American soldiers in Fort Hood, those who perpetrated 9/11 in New York, 7/7 in London, Madrid, Bali, Mumbai, Beslan and 21352 other terror attacks since 9/11 ( documented here http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2001-2003.htm ) were all inspired by the same ideology, why would jihadists in Israel be any different?

          • EarlyBird

            “And who were the terrorist who attacked Israel in the ’40s, ’50s, ’60s and ’70s ? Buddhists?”

            They were not-very-devout Muslims, nationalist Arabs in a dispute over land. The PLO and other groups of the time were no more “jihadist” groups than the Mexican soccer team could be called a Catholic organization because its many Catholic players.

            Ultimately, the on-going conflict religiously radicalized much of the Palestinian resistance – as many Israeli Jews have embraced Orthodox Judaism (and no, I’m not drawing moral equivalencies between the two).

            Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Queda, etc., today are the spawn of the former secular, nationalist terrorist groups who now see their entire mission as religious and global in nature.

            But like their forebears, they are fighting to achieve secular aims: control of land, governments and resources, particularly within their own geographic region. They are not zombies.

          • Ron Lewenberg

            The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in the 1920′s. The Ottoman Caliphate expelled Jews from Turkish-occupied Israel in 1914. Arab opposition to Jewish settlement (including resettlement of those forced out) was led by hte Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini. Jihad preceded Arab nationalism. Michel Aflaq, the founder of the Arab Socialist REvival Movement (Ba’ath) eventually realized that Islam is Arab nationalism.He converted to Islam.

  • cathy

    THE ALMIGHTY GOD – ISRAEL – IN HIS OWN WORDS

    Genesis 12:1-3 – Now the LORD had said to Abram, Get you out of your country, and from your kindred, and from your father’s house, to a land that I will show you: And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you, and make your name great; and you shall be a blessing: AND I WILL BLESS THEM THAT BLESS YOU, AND CURSE HIM THAT CURSES YOU.

    Genesis 17: 15-16 – Then God said to Abraham, “As for Sarai your wife, you shall not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall be her name. “I will bless her, and indeed I will give you a son by her. Then I will bless her, and SHE SHALL BE A MOTHER OF NATIONS; KINGS OF PEOPLES WILL COME FROM HER.”

    Exodus 23:31-33 – I will establish your borders from the Red Sea (Sea of Reeds) to the Sea of the Philistines, (Mediterranean) and from the desert to the River . I will hand over to you the people who live in the land and you will drive them out before you. Do not make a covenant with them or with their gods. Do not let them live in your land, or they will cause you to sin against me, because the worship of their gods will certainly be a snare to you.

    Leviticus 25:23 – “The land must not be sold permanently, because the land is mine and you are but aliens and my tenants.”

    Numbers 33:55-56 – But if you do not drive out the inhabitants of the land, those you allow to remain will become barbs in your eyes and thorns in your sides. They will give you trouble in the land where
    you will live. And then I will do to you what I plan to do to them

    • EarlyBird

      Cathy,
      What do you think Netanyahu has done, given Tel Aviv to Hezbollah?
      There is nothing that Netanyahu is doing, including letting out some prisoners in phases over time, which does anything but continue to expand Israel’s borders.
      Chill out.

  • cathy

    PLO EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEMBER – THE ISLAMIC AGENDA – IN HIS OWN WORDS

    March 31, 1977 – Dutch Publication Trouw
    Zahir Muhsein – PLO Executive Committee Member

    “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

    For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.”

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28222

  • cathy

    I must have missed something. Israel is releasing over 100 Palestinian terrorist from Israeli prisons to show good faith and … Palestine is doing what? What does Israel ever gain from negotiations with the enemy? One day there will be no more God-given land to give. What a betrayal to God Chosen People by their own leadership!
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    Israeli, Palestinian Leaders to Resume Peace Talks in Washington
    Jul 28, 2013

    “Both leaders have demonstrated a willingness to make difficult decisions that have been instrumental in getting to this point. We are grateful for their leadership,” Kerry said in the statement.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/07/israeli-palestinian-leaders-to-resume-peace-talks-in-washington/

  • cathy

    What is wrong with this picture? It appears to be outright Islamic appeasement by the leadership of Israel. Tell me I am wrong.

    Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange deal reached with Hamas, says Netanyahu
    October 12, 2011

    Israel and the militant Islamist group Hamas announced Tuesday that they had agreed on an exchange that would free about 1,000 Palestinian prisoners in return for Staff Sgt. Gilad Shalit, an Israeli soldier held captive in the Gaza Strip for more than five years.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/gilad-shalit-prisoner-exchange-deal-reached-with-hamas-says-netanyahu/2011/10/12/gIQA0gixfL_story.html

    • EarlyBird

      Cathy, to get an understanding of why Netanyahu chose to do a monster release as the precondition for talks, please see my post above. Bottom line: it costs Israel very little security-wise, and nothing strategically. It’s got to be very painful for Israelis, but it’s a very shrewd move for Israel.

    • Ron Lewenberg

      It was. The proper thing to do would have been to impale a terrorist a day with a pig’s bone until such time as Shalit was released.

  • cathy

    Thank you Minister Naftali Bennett and God Bless!!

    Bennett: Terrorists Should be Killed, Not Released
    First Publish: 7/28/2013, 5:12 AM

    Economy Minister Naftali Bennett announced on Saturday night that he would vote against the release of 104 terrorist prisoners, a demand by the Palestinian Authority in order to start peace negotiations.

    Bennett said that he has also instructed all the ministers from the Bayit Yehudi to vote against the release as well. The ministers will vote on the release on Sunday morning.

    “Terrorists should be killed, not released,” wrote Bennett on his Facebook page. “All my life I fought towards fulfilling the two parts of this sentence. Tomorrow I will vote against.”

    He said, “I am the last one who needs to be convinced not to release. murderers. I’ve instructed the Bayit Yehudi ministers to vote against.”

    Meanwhile, it was reported on Saturday night that Yisrael Beytenu chairman MK Avigdor Lieberman has told ministers from his party that they will be allowed to vote according to their conscience.

    It is believed that the move will have a majority in the Cabinet.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/170321#.UfgYRI3VBac

  • cathy

    I respectfully disagree. The Scriptures are very clear regarding Israel. However … Israeli leaders refuse to obey God’s commandments. Why? Are these leaders Islamic plants? Have they sold out for personal benefit?

    Why do God’s Chosen People not take to the streets en masse and peacefully but forcefully protest conceding little by little of their God-given land … their tiny island in an Islamic sea. The Jews are not naive. They realize that Islam will not be appeased until all of Israel is under Islamic control and that every Jew is dead or scattered.

    I just do not understand. I am crying.

  • Well Done

    This release will NOT achieve peace, because the “palestinians” don’t want peace. They’ve done this time and time again. They send a random whosit to “peace talks”, get various concessions, then proceed as they always have – to kidnap unarmed citizens and launch rockets into civilian areas, both of which are war crimes. The world is a moron. The EU are pro-Islamist. 0bama is a Marxist Moslem bass tread.

  • INTOLERANTOFEVIL

    ISRAEL should use nuclear weapons on these animals and use a nuclear weapons on Washington DC, a win, win, situation….

    • Edward

      Nah.

      Let the islamobarabarians continue to overreach in Eurabia. and watch the fun as the islamofascists and fascist socialists are pushed into the sea.

    • EarlyBird

      “ISRAEL should use nuclear weapons on these animals and use a nuclear weapons on Washington DC, a win, win, situation….”
      Says someone who is “intolerant of evil.”

    • EarlyBird

      “ISRAEL should use nuclear weapons on these animals and use a nuclear weapons on Washington DC, a win, win, situation….”
      Says someone who is “intolerant of evil.”

  • William James Ward

    We are in the age where the lie is as good as truth in doing business.
    The degradation of life seems to explode when Islamists are in the
    equation, Israel is wasting it’s time talking with the embodiment of
    untruth. I do notice the Israeli negotiators are likely to call all Jews
    to jump into the sea in order to appease the dirt-bags…….who are
    in line with Kerry…………….William

  • kate5778b

    So this baby is conceived at an iftar dinner – then it’ll be born at Passover, then, but we won’t hear of any Seder.

  • tokoloshiman

    Courage has fled Israel along with the will to fight and stand up strongly for what is right and good. It has been replaced with comfort, excess and greed
    in Tel Aviv for instance where little thought is given to those who are constantly under threat on or near the borders.
    Israelis are living in a fools paradise if they think that the attacks on them politically and physically will cease once the “palestinian nation” gets their state.
    Astate they do not really want anyway, preferring eternal refugee status and world sympathy for their cause than an actual state to build and compete in the world.
    Palestininnians want all of Israel, nothing less , nothing more, and they have the backing of all the islamic states in this desire.
    Releasing violent terrorist prisoners and making concessions has been a proven failure in the past and will be in the future. Doing the same thing over and over
    as Einstein said , and expecting a different result is a sure sign of madness.
    The palestininnians whine on and on and inculcate their children with the gene of hatred for jews thus ensuring on going hostilities for ever.
    It is not that the west/ obama does not know or grasp this , it is just that they do not give a damn!
    To them jews are just as expendable as they were in ww2.
    The west is moving towards becoming an islamic caliphate and it does not mind , it is embracing sharia and converting to islam. As long as jews are not
    in the forefront everything is fine and the wests capitulation is almost complete.
    Replete with thousands of mosques , and imams preaching their hate , rape gangs and scare tactics the battle is almost over, the west is finished and the catalyst of the fascist EU and its autocratic demigods is hastening its conversion one day at a time. Stealth jihad is upon us and chamberlain types are once again in charge, just like 70 odd years ago.
    What myopic fools the leaders of today are….

  • EarlyBird

    Though letting these monsters out of jail is deeply emotional, it is far preferable to the only other meaningful concession Israel could have made: a freeze on the settlements.

    Letting the monsters out costs Israel virtually nothing security-wise. First, it will be done in stages, so if the Palestinians stop abiding by the framework for talks, Israel can stop letting out the monsters. Secondly, Israel is going to watch these monsters like hawks, and will be able to wipe them out if they so much as pick up a rock.
    By letting free the monsters, Israel gives something to the Palestinians without giving away any strategic advantage: continuation of the settlements is the process of eating the very cheese that is being negotiated over. It is making permanent “facts on the ground.” Each day, no matter what final solution occurs, Israel continues to grow and Palestine shrinks.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      EarlyTurd,

      Pal-e-SWINE is EAST of the Jordan River.

      We see the face of “The Religion of Peace” in the 100,000+ dead in Syria – Arabs killing Arabs.

      It’s Ramadan, and the killing goes on.

      • EarlyBird

        Thanks for the non-sequitor, weirdo.