Israel and Saudi Arabia: Unlikely Allies

saMedia outlets have been speculating about the emerging alliance between Israel and Saudi Arabia. The International Business Times (December 2, 2013), quoted London’s Sunday Times as saying that “Israel and Saudi Arabia were working together to bring down Iran’s nuclear activities.” Clearly, having a mutual interest in stopping the threat of a hegemonic and nuclear Iran has made the two unlikely allies.

Saudi and Israeli interests have converged more than once before. First, during the Yemen War, Egypt’s dictator Gamal Abdul Nasser sought to sustain the revolutionary republican Yemeni officers who brought down the Hamiduddin dynasty. In the mountains of north and east Yemen, Imam Mohammad al Badr and his royalist insurgent army fought back. In the five-year war (1962-1967) in which the Egyptians committed 70,000 troops (it became Nasser’s Vietnam), the Saudi’s and Israelis, fearful of Nasser’s hegemonic ambitions, helped the royalist forces.

Bruce Riedel of the Brookings Institute wrote: “To get more arms to the royalists, the Saudis and their mercenaries turned to another enemy of the Egyptian dictator, Israel. In early 1964, the Israeli intelligence service, the Mossad, made arrangements for the Israeli air force to begin flying clandestine supply missions down the Red Sea from Israel to parachute weapons to the royalists. The mission was approved by the senior leadership in Israel, and the flights were code-named Operation Leopard.” In the years 1964 through 1966, the Israelis flew more than a dozen resupply flights to aid the royalists.

In 1991, during the First Gulf War, Saddam Hussein launched Scud missiles at both Israel and Saudi Arabia, and the two countries found themselves again on the same side. In the 1990’s, Saudi Arabia accepted the permanence of Israel’s position in the Middle East by agreeing to support the Madrid and Oslo peace processes. Now, in the wake of the recent P5+1 Geneva interim agreement with Iran over Tehran’s nuclear program, Saudi Arabian and Israeli interests have found common ground once more. Both nations are critical of the Obama administration’s handling of Iran.

Israel and Saudi Arabia are threatened by the prospect of a nuclear Iran imposing its hegemonic ambitions on the entire region. Israel is facing the missile arsenals of Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza, both supplied by Iran. The Saudis face similar threats emanating from Iran. Saudi Arabia feels encircled by the Iranian supported Houthi rebellion in Yemen, a Shiite insurrection in Bahrain, the Shiite-led Iraqi regime of Nouri al-Maliki, and in Syria, by the direct intervention of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards and Hezbollah.  In Lebanon, a proxy conflict is taking place between the Iran supported Shiite Hezbollah and the Sunni-Lebanese supported by the Saudis. Riyadh is particularly disturbed by Iran’s incitement of the Shiite minority in Saudi Arabia.

Shared interests notwithstanding, the points of conflict between the Saudis and Israel have been long and deep, albeit, indirect. The Saudis launched the Arab oil embargo against the US and the West during the Yom Kippur War of 1973, ostensibly to punish the US and its allies for supporting Israel. During the Second Intifada (2000-2003), the Saudis provided a major portion of Hamas’ budget, and sent payments to the families of suicide bombers. Much earlier, in February, 1945, King Ibn Saud expressed his hatred of Jews and to the idea of a Jewish State in a meeting with US President Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR). He cautioned FDR against supporting a Jewish state in Palestine, and warned that creation of such a Jewish State would lead to continuous war and undermine US-Saudi relations.

Saudi Arabia is considered the leading Sunni-Muslim state. The Saudi royal family serves as the guardian of Islam’s holiest sites – the cities of Mecca and Medina. Along with being the “guardians,” the Saudi royal family has supported Sunni Muslim mosques and imams worldwide, and funds the spread of Islam in Europe and the US. The Saud family, which created the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, has tied its fortunes with Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab (1703-1792), and Wahhabism.

Wahhabi Islam is a term commonly given to a strict Sunni sect of Islam. Followers of Wahhabi Islam do not refer to their religion as “Wahhabi.” Many merely call themselves “Muslim,” for according to their beliefs, they are the only true Muslims. Some Wahhabists refer to themselves and their religion as “al-Muwahhidun,” or “Salafi Da’wa,” or “Ahlul Sunna wal Jama’a.” Wahhabi Islam is a fundamentalist and strict revivalist vision, and beliefs that were preached by Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab in the late 1700’s sought to imitate the original ways of the Prophet Mohammad and his four immediate successors.

One reason to be skeptical about a Riyadh-Jerusalem long-term partnership is Saudi concern with the legitimacy of their rule. Since Israel is considered by many as the “enemy” of Islam, and Riyadh the “defender” of Islam, it is far-fetched to talk about an enduring alliance. The Saudi royal family has to balance legitimacy within the Muslim world and personal security, or simply put, the preservation of the royal family. In the long term, the historical animosity between Persians and Arabs, and even with Sunni Muslim negative disposition towards Shiite Islam notwithstanding, we are more likely to see an Iranian-Saudi rapprochement than a Saudi alliance with the Jewish state.

Riyadh has been a vocal advocate of the Weapons of Mass Destruction (nuclear) free zone in the Middle East. With Syria disposing of its chemical weapons, the Saudis hope that Iran will be pressured to abandon its nuclear project in the permanent agreement between P5+1 and Iran. This would leave Israel as the primary target of a Saudi led campaign in the UN, to compel Israel to dispose of its alleged nuclear weapons.

For now, Iran, not Israel, constitutes a real threat to the royal family’s security, and to their kingdom. According to the Beirut based Al-Akhbar, (November 12, 2013) “The Saudi royal family and the Wahhabi clerics never saw a contradiction between their anti-Semitism and their coordination with the Israeli state, especially when the coordination bolstered the Saudi place in US foreign policy plan.” In fact, Saudi Arabia’s grand mufti, Sheikh Abdul Aziz bin Baz, disagreed with the spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, Sheikh Yusuf Qaradawi, on whether there can be a truce with the Jews. Bin Baz argued that a truce (hudna) with Israel is allowed and even an exchange of ambassadors is permitted, if it serves Islam’s interests. In a fatwa he issued, Bin Baz endorsed the Middle East peace process.

Al-Akhbar added that the “Saudi and Israeli foreign policies have mirrored one another on Egypt and Iran. The two may not have seen eye-to-eye on Syria, but they seem to have put their trust in the Free Syrian Army.” It is true that both the Saudis and Israelis opposed the Muslim Brotherhood, resented the removal of President Mubarak, and supported the Egyptian military coup, which the Obama administration seemed to oppose.

Whatever the ideological differences between the Saudis and Israel may be (and indeed they exist), self-interest in fending off the immediate Iranian threat, for now, trumps ideological considerations. This may not be an alliance, but the two states, as much as they are “unlikely allies,” have good reasons to be in it. It has never been truer in the Middle East that, ones’ enemies’ enemy could be one’s friend.

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  • ObamaYoMoma

    The Saudi’s are used to manipulating the USA into fighting their jihads for them, but the Marxists that have hijacked both political parties are currently dismantling the USA’s mighty military right now. So now Saudi Arabia is reduced to holding its nose and using the Israeli infidels instead to fight their jihad for them, as the Shi’a Iranians must be stopped from acquiring nuclear weapons. In any event, if and when the Iranians acquire nukes, not only will prices for oil inevitably skyrocket astronomically, but also the massive nuclear weapons arsenal possessed by Pakistan and funded by diverted USA aid will be quickly distributed throughout the Sunni Islamic world to counter the Shi’a threat, and thus the Islamic world, which is obligated per the texts and tenets of Islam to subjugate all religions and all infidels through both violent and non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad and the eventual imposition of Sharia (divine Islamic totalitarian law) in order to ultimately make Islam supreme throughout the world, will be armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons.

    • Hitokiri 1989

      Wow you sound your on some serious stuff there. Marxists? Jeez, didn’t you Yankee bastards back the Islamists in their noble fight against Godless Soviet Communism? The problem is with bigots like you, you ignore inconvenient facts. Btw the Saudi-Israel relationship goes back a long way, ever since they both tried to fuck with the leftist Nasser. Hey your hating on one of Israel’s allies. Does that make you anti-Semetic?

  • Allah is Dead

    Saudi Arabia is an aparthied country. Jews, Christians, etc. not welcome in numerous cities. Women treated like cattle. Islam is a cancer on the country.

    • Mohammed

      Israel is an aparthied country. Muslims, Christians, etc. not welcome in numerous cities. Women treated like dogs. Judaism is a cancer on the country.

      • ObamaYoMoma

        Actually, Israel is the only country in the otherwise Islamic Middle East where Muslims, Christians, Jews, and members of all religions are free and equal in all aspects of life. Not that Islam is a true religion as opposed to what it really is, which is a very rabid totalitarian cult that aims to subjugate all religions and all infidels into Islamic totalitarianism.

        Whatever you are smoking Mohammad (Islam), please put it down because it is turning you into a crazed animal and crazed animals must be destroyed.

        • Mohammed

          So I am a crazed animal and you shall kill me?? Typical genocidal maniac.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            I was just pointing out the obvious and what inevitably happens to crazed animals Mohammad.

          • Mohammed

            Like I said, typical genocidal maniac. That’s what the Nazi’s called the jews of Europe, animals. Look what happened to those poor souls.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            At least the Jews survived while the Nazis did not! You are drinking the Kool-Aid.

          • Mohammed

            6 million did not.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Far more Nazis were killed relative to Jews. And again, how many Nazis, not counting the entire Islamic world today, are alive and well relative to Jews.

          • BigSticksWalkSoftly

            Proportionally the euro Jews were nearly eliminated from Europe. Gross number and proportionally what you said is not true. Do you ever say anything that is remotely factual?
            The German and Zionist nazism both had the same goal. Sending Jews out of Europe. Germany didn’t care where they ended up. However the Brits tried to limit them going to palestine.
            In summary, Zionism and German nazsism had same goal. There was a ton of nazi/Zionist collaboration; you my friend are being played for a fool. Thanks for footing the bill.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Today’s nazis are Arabs.

            That’s why SOCIALIST SHlTler mein kampf translated into Arabic is a Best Seller.

            Sand Nazis are too brain damaged to realize that the Israelis are NOT the unarmed Jews of WW2 socialist invaded Europe.

            Mo must be upset in H E L L.

          • Drakken

            Your just scared shi*less of what we are going to do to you when the time comes. You muzzys don’t give a rip how many Jews were killed, you celebrate it.

          • BigSticksWalkSoftly

            You know very well that nobody who is of sound mind and body by anyone of the likes of you. If your speech is reflective of your ability to be physically violent you couldn’t even scare a blind, 3-legged newborn alley rat.

          • Drakken

            Really now? Well come on out to the sandbox and play haji lover, I will show you what fear looks like. Just follow the sounds of either AC/DC or Ramstein at noon prayers and you’ll find me.
            Let me remind you shortbus, war is always a constant of the human condition, and it will be so for at least another millennia.

          • BigSticksWalkSoftly

            HAAVARA agreement 1933 my friend. Nazism lives on in the form of Zionism. Zionism is euro Jewish fascism. Your US money supports their nationalistic socialist policies.
            As an individual, you can NOT own land in israel. It is all declared national property. Some friend of the US

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            I’m sure your heart bleeds with pain over the fate of the Jews of Europe …

          • BigSticksWalkSoftly

            Actually I would assume that any decent person of any of the abrahamic religions would feel ashamed and sorrow at the suffering of their fellow religious brethren. Violence any where should not be tolerated. Unfortunately extremists of all sects and religions make the bunch look bad.

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            First, I don’t regard Islam as a true Abrahamic monotheistic religion. I agree about the violent streak that runs through Christianity and Judaism, but then, all religions have that. Perhaps, it better to say that there’s violent people in every religion.

            Second, my post was sarcasm directed at Mohammed, whose presence on the board and the content of his posts indicates that he’s probably a 15-year old named Josh, sitting in the basement of his parent’s house in Westchester, NY, having fun.

            However, Mohammed has derailed this thread, making it about him, rather than the possibility of a reluctant alliance between Israel and Saudi Arabia against Iran.

          • BigSticksWalkSoftly

            You are correct. Many white Europeans can’t learn to get along and want to blame Jews (before) and now Arabs/Islam. It’s funny hearing the stupidity and watching many of them waste their time and money.

          • Drakken

            What is funny and rather ironic is, you haji loving communist fear that European and what they might do to you, pssst you should be concerned.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            ” typical genocidal maniac.”

            Now you’ve done it. Insulted your prophet of Satan called Mohammed.

            I see a fatwa on your head.

            Even the Danish cartoonists laugh at you.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Mohammed said

            “Like I said, typical genocidal
            maniac. That’s what the Nazi’s called the jews of Europe, animals. Look
            what happened to those poor souls.”

            And what do Islamofascists call Jews today? “sons of pigs and dogs/apes/aardvarks”?

            Sand nazis can’t get it through their dented skulls that the Israelis are NOT the unarmed Jews of WW2 socialist infested Europe.

            Dumb Arabs need more time to figure it out.

          • BigSticksWalkSoftly

            You are what the kids call a computer bigot. All talk. Go support the commie israeli regime on someone else’s hard earned paycheck. Go send your own kids to die for israeli nazsism.

          • iluvisrael

            Calling muzzies animals is an insult to animals. You’re nothing more than inbred, 7th century savages.

          • Mohammed

            Wow, thats nice coming from a israeli. Thought you people are so peace loving? Temper temper!!

            Am I getting on your nerves? Come try and kill me bitch.

          • iluvisrael

            I’m not an Israeli – I’m just in awe of that tiny bastion of sanity surrounded by hostile islamo cesspools. I don’t have to kill you – you’ll probably do that yourself!

          • Mohammed

            Not really, but I would like me to killed by a Israeli as I’ll to to heaven.

            Here’s a quote for you –

            “I’d rather get killed by a Apache attack then a heart attack”

            God bless him.

          • Drakken

            You will be paying allah(devil) a visit soon enough muzzy, probably with our compliments, just make sure you say hi to the devil for us will you? I just wonder what the last thing will be through that Islamic brain housing group of yours will be? Lead poisoning or missile parts?

          • BigSticksWalkSoftly

            Do you ever have anything of value to say? Did you get beat up repeatedly by your younger sister?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Happy Eternal Nakba!

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Do you get 72 virgins if you only kill yourself?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Go play in rush hour traffic in Mecca.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            You’ll get a heart attack seeing an Apache.

            What ever it takes.

          • BigSticksWalkSoftly

            That is great that you unconditionally support the US welfare queen state and it’s continued push to join the religious fanatic pariah states.

          • iluvisrael

            but it’s ok with a$$holes like you that the US sends millions to muslim cesspools, right? take your bigstick and shove it up your a$$ – warning: may cause brain damage!!!

          • Drakken

            That day is coming haji.

          • BigSticksWalkSoftly

            I guess I’m not surprised that comments like yours don’t get censored out on this website. Have you gone balls deep on your neighbor’s goat lately, or were you too busy burning their olive trees? You can continue cursing out Christian cemeteries on your way to your commie kibbutz mr welfare queen orthodox dirt eater.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Go cry to mohammed.

            Pray for MORE NAKBA!

          • BigSticksWalkSoftly

            It is true that he adds little depth to any conversation and lacks any amount of critical thinking

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Hey mohammed, go have a workplace accident – in Mecca.

        • hiernonymous

          “Actually, Israel is the only country in the otherwise Islamic Middle East where Muslims, Christians, Jews, and members of all religions are free and equal in all aspects of life.”

          Really? When did that change? When last I was there, Israeli Arabs were not permitted to serve in the IDF, and instead were required to pay a special tax toward defense. That’s not free and equal in all aspects of life. Not the only difference, but a glaring one.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Really? When did that change? When last I was there, Israeli Arabs were not permitted to serve in the IDF, and instead were required to pay a special tax toward defense. That’s not free and equal in all aspects of life. Not the only difference, but a glaring one.

            Actually, you are a gullible useful idiot and a leftwing propagandist moonbat, as Israeli Arab Druses have been serving in the IDF for years. Now Muslims, on the other hand, aren’t allowed to serve for very obvious reasons, because all Muslims are obligated to wage jihad (holy war) against all religions and all infidels to ultimately make Islam supreme and because any Muslim that kills another Muslim receives an automatic death sentence according to the texts and tenets of Islam. At least the Israeli government isn’t totally completely insane like you, and thus doesn’t morally equate Muslims with infidels in all aspects of everyday normal life like you naively do. Unfortunately though, like in most Western countries, the time bomb of PC multiculturalism is alive and well in Israel too.

          • hiernonymous

            “Now Muslims, on the other hand, aren’t allowed to serve”

            In short, they’re not free and equal in all aspects of life. The invective aside, you’ve confirmed my point.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Are you so mentally incompetent that you can’t figure out that Muslims cannot serve in the IDF since it would require them to kill fellow Muslims and acquire an automatic death sentence in the process at the same time as a direct result? I mean other than Muslims, who else is waging a perpetual jihad (holy war) against the Jewish infidels in Israel? Man…if I was half as gullible and as dumb as you are, I’d strap on a homicide/suicide vest and go blow up the nearest mosque. What happened? Did your mother drop you on your head when you were just a baby?

          • Drakken

            The desert Druze Bedouins can serve and as a matter of fact, make a majority of their lurp units.

          • Raymond_in_DC

            The Bedouin (who are Muslims) are different from the Druze. IDF service is mandatory for the Druze, and many have reached senior positions in the Army. Service is not mandatory for Arabs, though hundreds of Bedouin have served over the years, most famously as trackers. A few dozen Christian Arabs volunteer every year, as do a small number of non-Bedouin Muslims. Larger numbers of Israeli Arabs volunteer for civilian national service, but the vast majority choose not to serve in any capacity.

          • Drakken

            Thanks for breaking down the numbers for everyone to see, it is a great help. Cheers!

          • BigSticksWalkSoftly

            Sorry to burst your bubble but there have been Muslims and even arab Christian women in the israeli offensive forces.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Any group that sends islamofascists to I72 virgin slamofascist Paradise is OK.

          • hiernonymous

            “Are you so mentally incompetent that you can’t figure out that Muslims cannot serve in the IDF since it would require them to kill fellow Muslims and acquire an automatic death sentence in the process at the same time as a direct result?”

            The question wasn’t whether you could come up with a rationalization or justification for the policy, but whether all citizens are treated equally. They clearly are not.

            “Man…if I was half as gullible and as dumb as you are, I’d strap on a homicide/suicide vest and go blow up the nearest mosque. What happened? Did your mother drop you on your head when you were just a baby?”

            Oh, the humanity.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            The question wasn’t whether you could come up with a rationalization or justification for the policy, but whether all citizens are treated equally. They clearly are not.

            Oh okay…so it’s clear discrimination and obvious oppression according to you. Indeed, it’s palpable proof that Jews treat Muslims as sub-humans. Seek mental help for your severe mental issues you unhinged moonbat!

          • hiernonymous

            Sulking is unbecoming. We weren’t discussing an allegation that “Jews treat Muslims as sub-humans.” We were evaluating your assertion that

            “Actually, Israel is the only country in the otherwise Islamic Middle
            East where Muslims, Christians, Jews, and members of all religions are
            free and equal in all aspects of life. “

            Apparently, we now both understand that this was incorrect.

            “Seek mental help for your severe mental issues you unhinged moonbat!”

            One wonders if you read your own posts.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            In short, they’re not free and equal in all aspects of life. The invective aside, you’ve confirmed my point.

            How does not being able to serve in the IDF somehow make Muslims not free and equal in all aspects of life? It actually makes them more free and equal than all other citizens of Israel, as a matter of fact. Like I said, seek mental help for your severe mental issues with all things Jews and Israel.

          • hiernonymous

            “It actually makes them more free and equal…”

            Some pigs are more equal than others, eh? Irony.

          • BigSticksWalkSoftly

            Israel smartly has tied there communist-style subsidies based on service in their offensive forces. Having less access to health, education, and housing is not freedom and places our American children at risk

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Get lost you anti-Semitic Jew hating bigot!

          • BigSticksWalkSoftly

            Israeli mistreatment and oppression of it’s indigenes places us Americans at risk. I guess you believed their Mossad also that Iraq had WMDs? That sure turned out ok. If you truly believed in US exceptionalism, individual rights, and capitalism you would NOT be an unconditional israel-lover and islamophobe.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Go buy a clue you moonbat!

          • Drakken

            Islam and the west are complete polar opposite of each other you bloody dolt. Islam is and always has been our enemy, period, end of effing story.

          • BigSticksWalkSoftly

            Nothing you said is factual. You should really put down the children’s fairy tales. Muslims ARE allowed to serve in the Israeli offensive forces. They are just segregated. You know the term. Say it slowly with me because it does have more than 2 syllables:seg RA gay shun. It’s kinda like apartheid but more like Jim Crow laws.

          • Drakken

            Not all people, culture and religions are equal, period. Us westerners are superior in everyway, shape and form to anything Islamic. But you knew that right?

          • hiernonymous

            “Us westerners are superior…”

            It’s “We Westerners…” If you’re going to tout your superiority in everyway [sic], shape, and form, it behooves you to master your own language.

            That aside, I’ve seen nothing in your posts to suggest that your opinion on anything as broad as an assessment of the full spectrum of one culture, much less two, is within your competence.

          • Drakken

            Your play at semantics is duly noted, an arabist as yourself must be making good coin working for the islamist to toe the islamist line. I can always depend on an arab to be predictable.

          • BigSticksWalkSoftly

            You are correct that Europe in the past 500 years, at least, has experienced the most violence, hatred and killing ever known to humankind. We can thank their Zionist ancestors for spreading it to the Middle East.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Thank socialists like national SOCIALIST SHlTler and Soviet SOCIALIST Stalin for WW2.

            Happy Eternal Nakba you DUMB sack of SHlTler!

          • Drakken

            What you have seen in Europe in the past 500 years is nothing compared to what we will be doing in the immediate future. Gotta love those Serbs and Croats for showing how it is done.

          • BigSticksWalkSoftly

            You are a great name caller. Arab Muslims CAN serve in the Israeli Offensive Forces. However they are placed in desperate units. Similar to the all black, or all Japanese units the US had in Ww2. You are an islamophobe which is similar to being anti-Semitic FYI.
            You do know absolutely nothing you said is factual and is based on hatred and fear. Go hug a rock.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Go cry to your mommie you unhinged moronic loon!

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            6,000,000 Jews can’t be defeated by 1,500,000,000 Muslims.

            Is that why you call it a NAKBA?

            Quality over Quantity?

          • Drakken

            The Bedouins are allowed to serve in the IDF Sparky. You pro islamists really do amaze me in your naivety and always buy into the Islamic narrative. Tragic really.

          • hiernonymous

            Well, where to begin? First, Bedouins and “Arab Israelis” are not synonymous…Sparky. Second, there have certainly been a few volunteers allowed to join – but official policy is not to conscript Arabs into the IDF. Whether you think this is good policy or not is not the issue – the issue is whether all citizens are treated equally, and they clearly are not.

          • Drakken

            Not all people, religions and cultures are equal Sparky, but then you knew that.

          • BigSticksWalkSoftly

            They are still separate.
            Bedouins are a tad different than your average israeli-Palestinians. Bedouins are like roaming Arabian cowboys. They tend to have allegiance to whomever is in control as long as their way of life and family clan are not impacted. Then they cause a raucous.

          • Omar

            Actually, Arab citizens of Israel are exempt from serving in the IDF. Their service on the IDF is voluntary. Quit repeating leftist/Islamist lies and propaganda and learn from facts.

          • hiernonymous

            “Actually, Arab citizens of Israel are exempt from serving in the IDF.”

            Actually, that’s exactly what I said. When one conscripts part of the population and does not conscript another, based on ethnicity or religion, then the populations are not free and equal in all aspects of their lives. Not sure what is so hard to follow there.

          • Omar

            You don’t realize that there is a difference between exempt and banned. Arabs in Israel are exempt from serving in the IDF, but that doesn’t mean that Arabs cannot serve on the IDF. Arabs in Israel can volunteer to serve in the IDF at any time in adulthood. So, the fact is that any Israeli citizen can serve in the IDF. It is just that certain ethnic groups are exempt from serving (meaning that they are not required to serve). That’s the reality.

          • hiernonymous

            You don’t seem to be familiar with the practice and history of the IDF. You’re also missing the point here – you keep telling me that the difference isn’t what I believe it to be, but the issue is that there’s a difference. Israel, by policy, treats citizens of different ethnicity and religion differently. Not sure how one brings you to understand that this is not equal.

            You might also want to consider the IDF’s history. For most of its history, the IDF ‘allowed’ Arabs to serve in formally identified “minority” units. Some of these practices started to get broken down, particularly under Rabin, but the reality remains that the IDF is, and intends to remain, an overwhelmingly Jewish force. Again, there may be perfectly good reasons for doing so, but you can’t pretend that a country that discriminates in its military obligations and service by ethnicity treats all of its citizens equally.

          • Omar

            Israel treats all ethnic groups equally in all fields of society. That includes the military. The IDF actually has high ranking Arab military commanders within the ranks. If you want to see real apartheid, check out Islamist/Apartheid Sudan, where a genocide against black African Christians occured around a decade ago. Quit trolling.

          • hiernonymous

            The U.S. also has high-ranking women in its military ranks. Are you under the impression that this demonstrates equality?

            As for the Sudan, do I understand your argument to be that unequal treatment is acceptable for as long as someone else is doing something worse? I’d fully agree that the Sudan was worse, and that Khartoum engaged in horrible actions against the black Sudanese (though I’d be careful about characterizing them as “Christian;” some were, many weren’t).

            “Quit trolling.”

            When did you stop beating your wife?

          • BigSticksWalkSoftly

            They separate the units based on race and religion. Many israeli Jews simply refuse to serve with Christians. This is similar to the recent israeli decision to NOT place a Christmas tree up. An israeli legislator said his constituency would not be able to tolerate the sight of the Christmas. Free all Christmas trees.

          • BigSticksWalkSoftly

            Omar is obviously not understanding the whole story. Actually I don’t know if he knows anything.

          • Omar

            No. That would be you, you shmuck. You are a Communist/Islamist who pretends to pose as a Tea Party supporter to try and trick true American patriots into thinking that you are one of us. Well, you are not. You are an agent of Communist Cuba and Islamist Iran. Quit trolling.

          • BigSticksWalkSoftly

            You neglected to mention that although Arabs may volunteer in the israeli offensive terror forces they are in different units. Kind of like the “go for broke” all Japanese American units of ww2. I therefore conclude that israeli still bases many of their governmental and military decisions on 1930s and 40s fascism and descrimination. All this places us Americans at risk when we unconditional support israeli communism and totalitarian fascism

          • Omar

            Shmuck, you neglected to mention how American POWs suffered in the Japanese military prison camps during World War II. You also neglected to mention that Imperial Japan was a war machine which established an imperial empire in different parts of Asia, had brutally instigated the Rape of Nanking in China, and was allied with the Axis forces during WWII. Also, Japan provoked the United States by attacking Pearl Harbor in Hawaii. Quit defending oppressive regimes.

          • Omar

            Also, the Israelis are not Communists nor Fascists. The Israelis are free market capitalists and liberal democrats. If the Israelis are really Communists, then why did the former Soviet Union tried to discredit Israel’s right to exist by inventing the so-called “Palestinian nation” through the KGB’s creation of the PLO? Why are the Communists and Islamists in charge of the misguided BDS campaign against Israel? Your so-called “theories” don’t make any sense.

          • Winston Smith

            “Israeli Arabs were not permitted to serve in the IDF”

            That must have been before 1947 bub. Israeli Arabs have ALWAYS been permitted to serve in the IDF. It is hate filled liars like you who spread absolutely false information that have blood on their hands.

            And mom wants to know when you are going to get a job and move out of her basement.

          • hiernonymous

            Ah, fair enough. I should have said that they were not allowed to serve in the mainstream IDF. There were a few special ‘minority units’ set up for Arabs, carefully segregated from the other units and not involving any sort of sensitive information or duties.

            And to this day, Arabs exempted from conscription.

            “And mom wants to know when you are going to get a job and move out of her basement.”

            No doubt your mother has a long, long list of things that she wants. I’m not interested in helping you with that. Good luck.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Israel doesn’t want any Fort Hood style massacres.

            Israel is wise.

        • BigSticksWalkSoftly

          You are just jealous because:
          israel does a better job at oppressing it’s minorities,
          uses US tax money to allow their military to openly allow gays/lesbians to participate and gain access to massive subsidies,
          and uses US welfare tax money to fund marijuana medicine research.
          Only the US should oppress minorities, encourage gays/lesbians to be open in the military, and use tax money to research marijuana.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            I’m sure I’m not the first one to point this out to you, but anyway you are incredibly mentally deficient.

          • Drakken

            Absolutely mind boggling, what we have here is the result of 1,400 years of muslim inbreeding at its finest, say hi to uncle dad and aunty mom for me will ya haji?

          • Hass

            LoLz!!….

      • Allah is Dead

        so tell me the city in israel where christians are forbidden from entering like mecca and others in SA? or is this another normal muslim lie after the example of muhammad the false prophet.

        • Mohammed

          People of Gaza are forbidden from entering Tel Aviv
          People of Gaza are forbidden from entering Jerusalem

          That answers your question?? And yes there are Christians in Gaza.

          • Allah is Dead

            with the right visa they can enter – stupid logic – try again

          • Mohammed

            With the right Visa, you can enter Makkah and Medinah

            Try again bitch!!!

          • Allah is Dead

            show me the link where a Jew can get a visa to makkah – how does a jew apply for one

          • Mohammed

            How does a person from Gaza apply for a Visa to get to Tel Aviv??

            A jew can just get a business Visa to Saudi Arabia and drive to Makkah and Medinah. There are no road blocks and police check points. Only in the time of Hajj and the Saudis expects 3 million muslims.

          • Allah is Dead

            keep lying – no jew or christian is allowed in mecca.

            http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

          • Mohammed

            Obviously you get your info from hate filled sites but Christians I know have entered Makkah. Not during Hajj though. I have worked with a Christian that have entered Makkah. He was in Saudi with a business visa (working for a Global IT company). He lived in Jeddah and have traveled to Makkah.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            You are using taqiyya again to attempt to dupe gullible useful idiots like hiernonymous.

          • Drakken

            It is on the signs on the all of the hwys into mecca that infidels are forbidden to enter you effing inbred muzaloid. If you are caught, they bloody well kill you for your trouble.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Nakba for Makkah.

            Courtesy of 6 BILLION Infidels.

          • Glenn Partridge

            No one other than a Muslim can go to Mecca and the Shia do it nervously.

          • iluvisrael

            Your taqiya is showing raghead.

          • Mohammed

            Taqiya is applicable only if my life is in danger. Don’t see you trying to kill me.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            More taqiyya. Tell that to hiernonymous, he is gullible and dumb enough to believe you.

          • Mohammed

            Give me one Islamic source that states Taqiyya can be used at anytime? I am talking about one sunni source.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Give me one Islamic source that states Taqiyya can be used at anytime? I am talking about one sunni source.

            I’ll do one better, I’ll provide a link to an entire article filled with Islamic Sunni and Shi’a sources: http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war

          • Drakken

            We will be playing cowboys and muslims soon enough.

          • Hass

            G’day Drakken, here’s to a Happy and Prosperous New Year to you and your family.

          • Drakken

            G’day Hass! I wish a happy new year and new beginnings for you and yours and good health and prosperity.

          • Hass

            “Taqiyya is ONLY used when your life is in danger. If you try to kill me then I’ll use taqiyya. If you believe that’s true then produce one Islamic source that says Taqiyya can be used at anytime. NOT Shia source as I do not follow their religion.”

            You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about or using Taqiya yourself.

            And here’s where Taqiya is classically used…

            Qur’an (16:106), Qur’an (3:28), Qur’an (9:3), Qur’an (40:28), Qur’an (2:225), Qur’an (66:2) and here Qur’an (3:54). And there’s plenty more in the Hadiths – Bukhari (52:269), Bukhari (49:857), Bukhari (84:64-65), Muslim (32:6303) and Bukhari (50:369), and there are few more in Islamic Laws.

          • hiernonymous

            Are you simply parroting someone’s take on this? What do you mean by “classically use?” Offering the verses by which taqiyah is doctrinally justified says nothing about who actually embraces such doctrine. Taqiyah was ‘classically’ the doctrine of the Shi’a, who, hunted by the Abbasids, were often forced to deny that they were, in fact, Shi’a.

            16:106 supports Mohammed’s formulation: that one may deny that one is a Muslim if in fear of one’s life; that’s hardly carte blanche to practice indiscriminate deceit. 3:28 tells us that Muslims may not ally with unbelievers unless it is prudent; that’s not taqiyah, and is historically reflected in the Crusades, during most of which one could find both Muslim and Christian on both sides of the conflicts. 9:3 says only that God rejects the unbeliever, and calls for repentance; it’s a bit of a stretch to offer that in support of your contention. 40:28 also supports Mohammed’s characterization; far from offering some sort of permission to employ deception willy-nilly, it makes reference to a man who had concealed the fact that he was a believer out of fear of his life, and enjoins one not to kill someone simply because he says that he is a believer (this verse, according to Bukhari, stems from an assassination attempt on the Prophet during the early days in Mecca, and its purpose is to remonstrate with those who would harm someone for professing faith, not to grant permission to engage in deception). 2:225 is not permission to lie; it tells the believer that God punishes based on intent, not on what was unintentional. Okay, we’re five deep into your list, and not one of the verses you cited supports your position.

            Bottom line: taqiya is not some sort of dispensation to engage in deception for mere tactical advantage; it’s the doctrine, embraced and practiced nearly exclusively by Shi’a, of concealing one’s belief when professing one’s belief openly would put one in great danger. That’s what the verses you quoted demonstrate; that’s what Mohammed had posted. You can’t understand either the Qur’an nor Muslim doctrine by parroting lists you find in Wikipedia or on Daniel Pipes-style sites.

            Regards.

          • Hass

            Bottom line is, try your preposterous cut n paste nonsense with someone else other than an ex Muslim.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The koran consists of taiyaa and perversion from the lips of the prophet of Satan called Muhammed (Piss Be Upon Him).

          • ObamaYoMoma

            How does a person from Gaza apply for a Visa to get to Tel Aviv??

            Why do you feel that Israel must somehow allow Muslim jihadists into Israel? Indeed, all Muslims are the eternal mortal enemies of all religions and all infidels in the world. Would you allow your eternal mortal enemies to immigrate to your country if the shoe were on the other foot and it was the infidels instead that were waging jihad in the cause of their religion?

            A jew can just get a business Visa to Saudi Arabia and drive to Makkah and Medinah. There are no road blocks and police check points. Only in the time of Hajj and the Saudis expects 3 million muslims.

            Non-violent jihad by deception is called taqiyya.

          • Mohammed

            “Non-violent jihad by deception is called taqiyya.”

            Not true, not is sunni tradition anyway. Taqiyya is ONLY used when your life is in danger. If you try to kill me then I’ll use taqiyya. If you believe that’s true then produce one Islamic source that says Taqiyya can be used at anytime. NOT Shia source as I do not follow their religion,

            I have proved my point, some people are not allowed into Israel. Thank you sir

          • ObamaYoMoma

            You are restating a typical misconception about taqiyya and what is also the propaganda of the useful idiot PC multicultural left, but taqiyya or more commonly: non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad, relative to violent jihad constitutes the vast overwhelming preponderance of jihad that is manifesting throughout the world today. Try again!

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            You have only proved that you are a follower of the prophet of Satan called Muhammed.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            There are only snakes, hyenas and devil worshipers in Gaza.

          • iluvisrael

            don’t you have some goats to bang, a sister to genitally mutilate or honor kill?

          • Mohammed

            Truth hurts does it?? Resort to pathetic name calling!! Hahahahaha

          • iluvisrael

            I know the truth about your ‘religion’ and the world is catching on to you savages. Can’t wait to see how Russia responds to the latest islamo attack on civilians – Putin takes no prisoners.

          • Drakken

            Say what you want about those Russians, they certainly get the job done and don’t care about world opinion either. Hopefully the rest of the West catches up with the concept.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Lets see some American peace activists ply their “peace” with KGB Putin.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Got any cartoons of your prophet of Satan called Muhammed?

            No? Want to buy some?

          • Drakken

            I just love it whena Haji gets upset, Jihad for everyone!

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Your prophet of Satan called Muhammed is our bitch.

            You are just creating more ill will towards Islam.

            The day is fast coming when you will REALLY see a Nakba courtesy of 6 BILLION INFIDELS.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            People of Gaza are forbidden from entering Tel Aviv
            People of Gaza are forbidden from entering Jerusalem

            Gaza is Hamistan and not a part of Israel. Try again! Indeed, only PC multicultural fools like the USA and Europe, for instance, allow crazed enemies into their states.

            And the Christians in Gaza are subjugated dhimmis subjugated into harsh and degrading dhimmitude by you Muslims. Meanwhile, Gaza and the so-called Palestinians, which are really the proxies for the Islamic world, demand an apartheid state totally devoid of all Jewish infidels.

          • Mohammed

            What are you proposing?? Concentration camps for all muslims?? nuclear annihilation ?? I know how the American Indians felt!!!!

          • ObamaYoMoma

            What are you proposing?? Concentration camps for all muslims?? nuclear annihilation ?? I know how the American Indians felt!!!!

            Wow, I’m almost so filled with guilt over the plight of the American Indians who like since time immortal were inevitably conquered by a much superior culture that I almost can’t function. Meanwhile, what is Islamic Jihad if it isn’t the forceful imposition of medieval barbaric Arab mores and values upon infidels by any and all means possible?

            What I would propose though is the banning and reversing of all mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage ASAP, because it is really non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad for the strategic purpose of demographic conquest, a confiscation of all oil resources in the Islamic world, the eradication of the Iranian nuclear weapons program and the Pakistani nuclear weapons arsenal and nuclear weapons program, and then the complete and total isolation of the Islamic world.

            Without Western technology and know how, the Islamic world because of Islamic totalitarian ideology would quickly and inevitably degenerate back into extremely crushing poverty. Then the Islamic world should be allowed to stew in this poverty stricken Islamic paradise for several generations until the totalitarian ideology of Islam becomes discredited and defunct.

          • Mohammed

            Confiscate the oil resource? Complete and total isolation of the Islamic world?? If that isn’t modern nazism I don’t know what is.

            What will China and other world powers going to say about this? Tag along?

            Not really as China and Russia won’t allow this 21st century genocide. Plus your countries would be bankrupt fighting the endless wars.

            Use nukes?? Well you’ll also kill future generations due to the nuclear fall out and the radiation will enter the western nations due to the amount needed to kill the billions of muslims. Not to mention Russia and China.

            But good plan Mr Adolf

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Confiscate the oil resource? Complete and total isolation of the Islamic world?? If that isn’t modern nazism I don’t know what is.

            Nah…Islam and Nazism are kindred spirits.

            What will China and other world powers going to say about this? Tag along?

            What? Are you falsely implying that the Chinese infidels aren’t also on the target list of Islam too? How Muslim of you!

            Not really as China and Russia won’t allow this 21st century genocide. Plus your countries would be bankrupt fighting the endless wars.

            What do you mean endless wars? We’re not talking endless fantasy-based nation-building missions to turn the Islamic world into a bastion of democracy and freedom here. Instead we are talking about the forceful confiscation of the oil resources and the eradication of the Iranian and Pakistani nuclear weapons programs and arsenals. Thus, we’d simply use a few tactical nukes here and there and be done with it. Once we establish the fact that there will be no mercy for jihadists, watch how fast the Islamic world will become peaceful and compliant dhimmis.

            Use nukes?? Well you’ll also kill future generations due to the nuclear fall out and the radiation will enter the western nations due to the amount needed to kill the billions of muslims. Not to mention Russia and China.

            Tactical nukes dude and future generations of Muslims. Not a problem. Not to mention that we have the capability to eradicate Muslims in mass as well via conventional means too, and in a very sterile and impersonal manner as well. Indeed, we are not hindered by a totalitarian ideology of Islam where all knowledge allegedly emanates from a stupid holy book that is really a forgery.

            By the way, the Russian infidels, exactly like the Chinese infidels, are also on Islam’s long-term target list as well. Indeed, look at the violent jihad attacks currently taking place in Russia today at the future Olympic games site.

            But good plan Mr Adolf

            Whatever Muhammad, and when it comes to killing, Muhammad makes Mr. Adolf seem like a rank amateur. Thanks for playing!

          • Mohammed

            “What do you mean endless wars? We’re not talking endless fantasy-based nation-building missions to turn the Islamic world into a bastion of democracy and freedom here. Instead we are talking about the forceful confiscation of the oil resources and the eradication of the Iranian and Pakistani nuclear weapons programs and arsenals. Thus, we’d simply use a few tactical nukes here and there and be done with it. Once we establish the fact that there will be no mercy for jihadists, watch how fast the Islamic world will become peaceful and compliant dhimmis.”

            Wow, I thought Nazism is extinct.

            When I mean Russia and China, I mean they’ll understand this genocide war as they’ll be next on the list so they’ll take preventative measures. Muslims today would be the Chinese people tomorrow.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            You are still attempting to deny reality and the reality is the Russian and Chinese infidels, like all other infidels around the world as well, are also on Islam’s rich target list. Indeed, the sole fundamental purpose of Islam is the subjugation of all religions and all infidels into Islamic totalitarianism through both violent and non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad and the eventual imposition of Sharia, which is divine Islamic totalitarian law, in order to ultimately make Islam supreme throughout the world.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            “Wow, I thought Nazism is extinct. ”

            Sadly no. It is now called Islamofascism.

          • Drakken

            Unlike us westerners, the Russians and Chinese havzero problem with eliminating you muslims by whatever means necessary and don’t give a rats azz who complains, it is a lesson that does not go unnoticed here, Deo Volente!

          • Omar

            That’s because neo-Communist Russia and Communist China support the Islamists in Iran and their quest to destroy Israel and to instigate a second Holocaust. Time to call for regime change is Russia, as Putin and his neo-Communist cronies in the United Russia Party (the modern-day Communist Party of the Soviet Union) must be replaced by a Yeltsin-like pro-Western leader who will support America in whatever world issue. As for Communist Cina, it will collapse one day and be replaced by a pro-Western democracy party headed by Liu Xiaobo, a prominent democracy and human rights activist.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Hey Mohammed, Self deport yourself to Cuba.

          • Mohammed

            “Wow, I’m almost so filled with guilt over the plight of the American Indians who like since time immortal were inevitably conquered by a much superior culture that I almost can’t function”

            That’s your excuse for committing the worst genocide in human history?

            Your logic –

            The christian settlers are superior therefore the native Indians can be murdered and wiped off this face of the earth.

            The Aryan christian are superior therefore the jews of Europe can be wiped off this face of this earth.

            And you’re calling muslims violent. Its like calling Mother Teresa a whore.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            That’s your excuse for committing the worst genocide in human history?

            If you want to learn about the history of genocide, study Islamic totalitarian history, it is nothing but genocide after genocide.

            The christian settlers are superior therefore the native Indians can be murdered and wiped off this face of the earth.

            I don’t know what you are smoking, but the Indians weren’t murdered and wiped out. Today they are proud US citizens unlike you Muslim jihadists posing as immigrants. Meanwhile, they weren’t conquered in the name of Christianity, but instead because of manifest destiny.

            The Aryan christian are superior therefore the jews of Europe can be wiped off this face of this earth.

            BS like the above might work to dupe those that are predisposed to hate Jews, but it doesn’t work with people like me who are predisposed to spreading the truth instead.

            And you’re calling muslims violent. Its like calling Mother Teresa a whore.

            Actually, violent jihad only constitutes a tiny proportion of the overall jihad manifested throughout the world today by the Islamic ummah, while non-violent jihad, on the other hand, that is pursued non-violently and primarily via stealth and deception is astronomically far more prevalent relative to violent jihad. Thank you very much.

            Thus, your analogy, meant to insult, is ludicrous.

          • guest

            American Indians were given citizenship. The Stockbridge Indian were give a choice. Life on a reservation or full citizenship and title to the land they farmed.

            Some chose citizenship and some chose the reservation.

            The American Indians we treated much better than Africans have been treated by Muslims to this current day.

            President Andrew Jackson adopted 2 young indians the same as he did for friends and relatives who left orphans. .

          • guest

            We married Indians.

            Pocahontas was married to an Englishman attended court in London.

            That is just the most famous. there were many others.

            If you want to see slavery, wage slaves and other misery one must go to the UAE and Saudi Arabia.

          • Drakken

            Funny and rather ironic of all the genocide throughout islams conquests, we conquered a few million Indians and you completely ignore the 100′s of millions you savages slaughtered. My western culture is superior to anything you muslims have ever wrought upon the world, so your going to have to pardon me while I don’t give a rats azz about you muslims anymore. Frankly, one way or another war is coming between us infidels and you muslims, and I am far beyond caring what it takes to wipe yours out as long as mine survives. God Bless the Crusades.

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            What you state is why the Comanche nation left the reservations, back in the early 20th Century. Assimilation into American culture was the only way for each individual to pursue his or her own dreams, and realistically hope to accomplish them.

            As for Muslim “immigration”, it needs to end …

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            No, you don’t …

            This message has been provided, free of charge, from a Comanche to a Muslim …

          • RagingVoiceOfReason

            There is plenty of evidence to suggest that many muslims would have no problem with non-muslims being subjected to those plights.

          • BigSticksWalkSoftly

            Nothing you said is factual. Your blind hatred of anything Islamic is unamerican.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Your blind love of islamofascism is fascist, socialist and un-American.

            Make your one-way Hajj to H E L L.

          • Drakken

            Well shortbus, anything Islamic is un-American, that is a fact.

          • Drakken

            Yeah well we ain’t played cowboys and muslims yet, ask the Indians how that worked out for them.

          • Omar

            Why don’t you try to understand how the indigenous Miskito people of Nicaragua felt about being oppressed by the Communist Sandinista dictatorship during Nicaragua’s civil war in the 1980s, you Communist/Islamist loon. Quit repeating Communist/Islamist lies and propaganda and learn from facts.

          • BigSticksWalkSoftly

            Christian arab Palestinians in the israeli occupied West Bank are NOT allowed to enter israel. They are even not allowed to get married to an israeli.

          • guest

            Chinese Muslims brought to Saudi Arabia centuries ago are not integrated.

            What is up with that? I though all Muslims were equal.

          • David

            no people in Gaza, only savages.

        • BigSticksWalkSoftly

          pretty much ALL Christians who reside in the occupied Palestinian territories or the besieged enclave of gaza are NOT allowed in israel. You should hug an arab. Start with a palestinian Christian one.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            From the River to the Sea,

            Pal-e-SWINE Will Never Be!

            INSHALLA!
            @allah_is_dead:disqus

      • iluvisrael

        Then why is so much islam stolen from Judaism? Go take a loose, steaming dump in your koran.

      • BigSticksWalkSoftly

        If it looks and smells like apartheid it probably is. Yep, that looks like a 30 foot high apartheid wall. Yep that looks like a non-Christian road that leads to a Zionist/communist-only kibbutz. Some welfare friend of the US israeli settlers are.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Islam is a terrorist religion because their prophet of Satan called Muhammed was a terrorist.

        Hence 9/11, beheadings, bombings in Russia, Boston, Israel, London, Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon…

      • T800

        muslim-Israelis have seats in the Knesset,political representation NO muslim nation permits it’s Jews. Israeli muslims have a better living standard than any muslim nation. they live under a true rule of law.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      In other words, Saudi Arabia is a typical Sharia state, i.e., an Islamic totalitarian state (hellhole), and that is what the entire Islamic world is striving to accomplish today throughout the world. Indeed, just like Obama is striving to convert the USA into one big Detroit, MI, the Islamic world is also striving to turn the entire world into one big Saudi Arabia.

      • BigSticksWalkSoftly

        What incentive does the leader of the free world have to encourage the bankruptcy of American cities?
        From what I remember it was a large group of people in the Republican Party who were into encouraging vital American companies (auto industry) to go declare bankruptcy.
        Your islamophobic mindset is unamerican and a blight on humanity. Go hug a Muslim. You are mad because Obama is only a half white boy.

        • ObamaYoMoma

          No…I’m mad because he is almost as dumb as you.

    • BigSticksWalkSoftly

      Nothing you said is true. Saudi Arabia does not separate and distinguish land/housing rights of individuals based on their race and or ethnicity. Just because they chop hands off thieves does not mean they practice apartheid. You must be confused with the israeli apartheid state. Without the hand chopping of course. Islophobia=anti-semitism my friend

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Islamofascism = naziism.

        That’s why mein kampf in Arabic is a Best Seller.

        Google Images “arab n a z i salute”

  • Mohammed

    Saudis would never join the Zionist Entity and a bitch of a state called Israel!!

    • ObamaYoMoma

      Your blind hate for everything not Islamic is evident. Okay?

    • Softly Bob

      Just like your false prophet namesake, you too are a deluded freak.

    • iluvisrael

      happy eternal nakba acccccchhhhhhhhmed!

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Your prophet of Satan called Mohammed gets bitch slapped 5 times a day in H E L L.

      Happy Eternal Nakba for Mohammed!

    • Hitokiri 1989

      Actually they would. The Salafi-Zionist relationship goes way back. The funny thing is people are hating on a regime that Israel has no problem working with. Guess they must be closet Anti-semites

  • sustapha

    That union is hypocrisy. It will never bring an atom of understanding. Has the one who rejected Moses ever prosper? How can those who believed that Muhammad was an enemy to their ancestors turn today to Muhammad again? If the Jews are convinced from website :www//sbpra.com/allamadrsanisalihmustapha, then they should understand that there is no representative of Muhammad in Saudi Arabia in the manner there is no representative of Moses in Jerusalem.

  • Nawah Pauni

    Israel is where Yehovah is worshiped, where Christ was born and the US, a country founded in Judeo Christian values leaves on its own. Shame on us

  • Somali warrior

    So Saudi allowed Israel to bomb Lebanon and use chemicals in the civilian just because they are Shi’a and hizbullah?
    I’m Muslim and respect Saudi Arabia people and the knowledgeable scholars in Saudi. And how they protected our holly cities.. Gods will..
    But siding with Israel and going against hizbullah, hammas, Iran, and the Muslim brotherhood???
    It is time to change this royal family.. I heard some Saudi royal member drink and party in the western world. I even saw one that got busted for slaving undocumented worker.. And she had no hijab on her hair. This royal family will kill any sheikhs that speaks the truth. SAUDI UPRISING IS COMING SOON.

    • poest

      Arabs slaughter Arabs. Muslims slaughter Muslims and your response is to draw your sights on Saudi Arabia? Can you not see beyond your nose that it is you that have no respect. What you have is apartheid dogma to keep you in the blood of your brothers.

      • Somali warrior

        The article is about Saudi Arabia and Israel being allies.
        And my response was based on that.
        What is your response based on?
        Why are you talking about me or Muslims?
        What do you have to do with this anyway?
        Yes Muslim kill Muslims. I agree.
        But why you sound mad? It has nothing to do you personally?

        • poest

          The infection is contagious and affects every one. Yes, I am angry, and my response is directed at all of those that kill for a bankrupt set of mores. The whole world is angry at the killing. And those that have no respect for the common man should be the last to criticize the view that the whole conflagration in the Middle East is based on the fight to control the weakest, and the misguided and backward looking tribal attempts to snuff out freedom of religion, democracy, common law and substitute it all with corrupt feudalism. The Middle East will never escape its poverty and its injustices unless it pulls itself out of its Middle Ages mindset. Blaming Israel or Saudi Arabia is just a cop out. Look within your soul. It is YOUR anger that fuels this conflagration.

    • T800

      muslim citizens of Israel enjoy more freedom and better prosperity than any muslims in other Middle East nations. They have the right to vote,and political representation no muslim nation permits it’s Jewry. They don’t have to fear being beheaded or have a hand lopped off,they live under a true rule of law.. OTOH,Jews in any muslim nation are heavily persecuted.
      An independent observer might rightly conclude muslims are barbarians.

  • Attila_the_hun

    The truth is that the division between Sunni and Shiite Islam is much wider than Islam and Christianity or Judaism. Since Islam’s main thrust is total domination makes sense why The Saudis are afraid of The Iranians. How can one dominate the world if he can’t control his own coreligionist.
    As they say in The ME the enemy of my enemy is my friend , soo Iran’s greatest achievement is creating friend among it enemies.

  • Benjamin

    This column is total bullshit. Neither Israel nor Saudi Arabia will attack Iran, as they fear the sanctions that will be levied Obama. Israel is nothing more than a paper tiger.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      DEATH to the islamofascist regime of iran!

      LONG LIVE PERSIA!

      The ayatollah khomeni BURNS in H E L L.

      osama bin laden throws his shoes at mohammed.(piss be upon him).

  • Issa Kirarira

    Whatever brings peace and in line with good laws that
    governs humanity, is well come. The good relationship between Israeli and sound
    Arabia is in arrears. It should have been there from the beginning of time
    since Islam encourages being nice to one another as Allah’s creations. And this
    relationship should be extended to other countries including Iran. The
    relationship should not be brought by the rage they have against Iran, but by a
    way of bringing Iran close to them and other states in the Middle East. Let us
    avoid being egotistical and create peace on earth. The world needs everyone to have peace with one another.

  • Johnnie the Jew

    I call it self preservation. When it comes to battle every option will be on the table. To use a hunting term, it’ll be “open season”. And we’ve got the toys to play real hardball with these degenerate, deluded retards.

  • Hitokiri 1989

    I notice most comments here sidestepped the issue of Israeli-Saudi cooperation and instead delved into anti-Islamic rants. Whats the matter people? Did your Hasbara paymasters tell you to leave the issue alone? I thought you people said Islam is the “death cult”? You have no problems with Israel working with the Saudis then?