Hanoi Jane to Critics of Her Reagan Role: ‘Get a Life’

The Hollywood trade magazine The Hollywood Reporter (THR) reports that conservative opposition is slowly building toward a possible boycott of the movie The Butler, still six months away from appearing in theaters. That’s because lifelong leftist activist Jane Fonda is slated to portray Ronald Reagan’s wife Nancy in the flick. “I figured it would tweak the right,” shrugs Fonda. “Who cares?”

The drama is the true story of Eugene Allen, White House butler to every president from 1952 to 1986. Jane Fonda – famously photographed straddling a Viet Cong anti-aircraft gun in North Vietnam forty years ago – as the wife of patriotic icon Reagan is a choice that hardly seems coincidental; more likely casting “Hanoi Jane” was a direct and purposeful insult to the conservative American audience, whom many Hollywood elites openly despise.

THR reporter Paul Bond’s bias in the article itself is blatant – unsurprisingly, since movie biz trade magazines don’t bother to hide their leftist tilt (although THR is a model of neutrality compared to its online competition The Wrap). In his examples of “similar dustups” over political films, Bond writes that the right “howled” about the CBS miniseries The Reagans, while the left only “complained” about The History channel’s proposed 2011 miniseries The Kennedys. The left did more than complain about the project, produced by open conservative Joel Surnow; it got the network to abandon the miniseries, although it was later picked up by the Reelz Channel and won a raft of awards including Emmys.

Bond also says the left merely “complained” about supposed “inaccuracies” in the 2006 miniseries The Path to 9/11, which I have written about before and to which I myself contributed. If you want to know just how politely the left “complained” about The Path to 9/11, check out the documentary Blocking The Path to 9/11. ABC was initially proud of the project until Clinton-era alumni feared it would blacken his legacy, because it accurately depicted his flaccid response to the growing threat of Islamic fundamentalism in the 90s. Then a vicious internet campaign got underway which resulted in death threats to the filmmakers, and a team of Democrat senators including Harry Reid threatened to pull ABC’s license if it aired the miniseries. ABC’s owner is a close friend of the Clintons to this day he refuses to release it on DVD.

As for Fonda, Bond also writes insultingly that the right “can’t get past photos of her cavorting with the enemy during the Vietnam War, no matter how many times she apologizes.” That’s because Fonda has never apologized to America or to the soldiers whose lives she endangered. “I have never done anything to hurt my country or the men and women who have fought and continue to fight for us,” she claimed recently, still in denial.

As an example of how the right “can’t get past” it, Bond and Fonda singled out Navy veteran Larry Reyes, founder of the “Boycott Hanoi Jane Playing Nancy Reagan” Facebook page. “The moviemakers are free to choose,” Reyes says “but it seems like it was their way of giving people like me the middle finger.” Exactly right, Mr. Reyes. Fonda’s classy reply to THR regarding Reyes’ Facebook page was, “Get a life. If he creates hoopla, it will cause more people to see the movie.”

Actually, as a Navy veteran, Larry Reyes not only did get a life, but he devoted a portion of it to honorable service to his country. Fonda, by stark contrast, has devoted a significant portion of her life to blame-America-first activism.

In the early ‘70s the privileged Fonda preached communism to college students and called the Vietnam War “U.S. imperialism” and “white man’s racist aggression.” In the summer of ’72, while the war still raged, the actress traveled to North Vietnam and played the part of their puppet with Oscar-winning commitment. In addition to posing grinning for pictures with our enemy, she volunteered to carry out radio propaganda from Hanoi, telling American pilots that they were war criminals and urging the South Vietnamese soldiers to desert. And, arguably most reprehensibly, she met with tortured American POWs in another scripted propaganda performance, lectured them about carrying out genocide against the Vietnamese, and returned to tell the world that these guests of the Hanoi Hilton were being well-treated and they regretted their warmongering.

“When stories about the torture of POWs later surfaced,” John Perazzo notes,

Fonda called them lies. When the POWs began coming home in 1973, Fonda derided them as “liars, hypocrites, and pawns,” dismissing any charge that they had been brutalized: “Tortured men do not march smartly off planes, salute the flag, and kiss their wives. They are liars. I also want to say that these men are not heroes.”

She went on to support the radical Code Pink and calls its co-founder Jodie Evans a “dear friend.” Evans and Code Pink today are serving even more aid and comfort, literally, to our enemies the Taliban, Hamas, and Iran, than even Fonda did to North Vietnam in her day.

On the occasion of receiving a career award at last November’s L.A. Press Club gathering, Fonda said that she’ll “go to the grave” regretting “sitting on that gun in North Vietnam.” That’s not the same as an apology. What she means is that she regrets doing it because the controversy still hounds her to this day, as it should. She was and is a traitor who did incalculable propaganda damage to this country.

Fonda and Nancy Reagan never met, but according to a friend of Fonda, the former First Lady “was pleased that I was playing her. Which shows how smart she is,” says Fonda. “She’s smarter than all those extreme right-wingers who are angry that I’m playing a woman whose politics are different than mine. Come on, it’s a movie!”

“It’s just a movie” is the defense Hollywood uses when it wants to spread its leftist hate while dismissing its critics as oversensitive. It’s curious how that excuse doesn’t fly when the left works itself into a lather over a movie that dares even hint at support for conservativism, like last year’s Zero Dark Thirty, a movie which suggested that Bush-era waterboarding contributed to locating the elusive bin Laden. Despite having been directed by hardcore leftist Kathryn Bigelow, she and ZD30 were publicly shunned by the groupthink Hollywood left.

Fonda claims that she actually had a portion of the script changed because it made Nancy Reagan look too mean – if true, this says less about Fonda’s respect for Nancy than the writer’s mean-spirited bias (The Butler’s writer Danny Strong was also responsible for HBO’s Game Change and its demeaning caricature of Sarah Palin). “I might not have always agreed with Nancy Reagan, but I admire her, and I’d never try to insert my views when playing her,” says Fonda. We’ll see come October when the film hits theaters.

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  • Texas Patriot

    Who cares is right. Having spent $4 trillion and sacrificed thousands of American lives for the ridiculous idea of setting up a Jeffersonian Democracy on the Euphrates, neoconservatives are so discredited it's ridiculous. At this point, Jane Fonda is looking more like the true conservative.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "Who cares is right. Having spent $4 trillion and sacrificed thousands of American lives for the ridiculous idea of setting up a Jeffersonian Democracy on the Euphrates, neoconservatives are so discredited it's ridiculous. At this point, Jane Fonda is looking more like the true conservative."

      You ought to try dating EarlyBird. Your latent hate for the facts will perhaps then become more fully formed and you can troll the site more openly.

      The ones who are discredited are those who went out on rebellious "peace marches" even before Saddam Hussein's deadline had expired.

      That wasn't me.

      • Texas Patriot

        We whacked Saddam Hussein in a matter of weeks with fewer than 100 casualties. Everything after that was a misguided attempt at nation-building for the not so thinly disguised purpose of controlling Iraqi oil. Well, it is now clear that there will never be a Jeffersonian Democracy in Iraq and we will never effectively control any of Iraq's oil, and the $4 trillion, 5,000 dead Americans, and 25,000 to 100,000 Americans physically or emotionally scarred for life needs to be added to the already huge tab of neoconservatives and their idiotic fantasies of world domination. Compared with neoconservatives, Jane Fonda is looking more and more like American Patriot No. 1.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "Everything after that was a misguided attempt at nation-building for the not so thinly disguised purpose of controlling Iraqi oil. "

          OK then. And don't forget that 0'Bama is a born-again Christian.

          "Well, it is now clear that there will never be a Jeffersonian Democracy in Iraq and we will never effectively control any of Iraq's oil, and the $4 trillion, 5,000 dead Americans, and 25,000 to 100,000 Americans physically or emotionally scarred for life needs to be added to the already huge tab of neoconservatives and their idiotic fantasies of world domination. Compared with neoconservatives, Jane Fonda is looking more and more like American Patriot No. 1."

          This is the view from the loony bin. I knew this already.

          • JacksonPearson

            "OK then. And don't forget that 0'Bama is a born-again Christian."

            You nailed your points….However, there's very little Christian about the wrong rev. Wright's Black Liberation Theology,church where Obama sat for twenty years on Sundays. Even less from Islamic Mosques. IMO, Jane Fonda should have been tried and executed during the Vietnam War. But you'll never get leftists to acknowledge that Fonda was a treasonous bitch, and deserved to be executed.

        • JacksonPearson

          Jane Fonda was a rotten traitorous bit*h, that in my opine, should have charged, tried and executed for treason.

          • Texas Patriot

            That's because you had the wool pulled over your eyes by the crafty neoconservatives. Wake up. Jane Fonda didn't start that war. And she didn't prolong it unnecessarily when there was no hope of winning it. All she did was try to make peace. Was she effective? No. Did she do more damage than good? Probably. But unlike most Americans she was not afraid to speak out against the madness.

          • JacksonPearson

            "That's because you had the wool pulled over your eyes by the crafty neoconservatives. Wake up. Jane Fonda didn't start that war. And she didn't prolong it unnecessarily when there was no hope of winning it. All she did was try to make peace. Was she effective? No. Did she do more damage than good? Probably. But unlike most Americans she was not afraid to speak out against the madness."

            WRONG…no wool have ever been pulled over my eyes about Vietnam. Jane Fonda did what she did. Yes as Christians, we're suppose to forgive her…OK, she's forgiven. But that doesn't mean we forget her. There's still many of Vietnam Vets that refuse to EVER forgive, let alone forget.

            WRONG again…Fonda's trip there wasn't to make peace. Her being there was to serve only one purpose, and was solely to humiliate the United States, and demean our military prisoners of war.

            Understand, the Vietnam war was fought under no declaration of war, and that little technicality got her off the hook. The "1977 War Powers Act" that Afghanistan and Iraq were used under came much later. She got off the treason hook by the skin of her teeth, but she'll never, ever be forgiven or forgotten by American vets. So no matter how much water you carry for the bit*h, it won't EVER work to clear her…EVER. Emphasis added!!!

          • Texas Patriot

            Your anger is justified, but misplaced. If you want some justice and some truth, go after the corrupt politicians and the defense contractors that put our soldiers in a no-win nightmare and kept them there indefinitely with no hope of winning an no possibility of escape for the sole purpose of ginning up war profits, when during the entire fiasco WE COULD HAVE WON THE WAR IN A MATTER OF DAYS.

          • JacksonPearson

            You know nothing about me or my background, or how misplaced you are by coming here and thinking you can bullsh*t the intelligent people on these threads.

            From the looks and sounds of their responses, you've been neatly buried by them. I don't have to do anything but watch you go down in flames….R.I.P.

          • Texas Patriot

            I'm enjoying this debate. So far it's mostly just a lot of hot air. But I think most people will recognize that there was a grave injustice done to American soldiers by putting them in a jungle and keeping them there with no chance of winning and no chance of escape. 58,000 men were lost for basically no reason. If Barry Goldwater had been president, we either would have stayed out of Vietnam altogether, or we would have won it in a matter of days or weeks. That's the conservative way to fight wars, and that's the only way that makes sense.

          • JacksonPearson

            IMO, you're way over your head in the subject matter you're attempting to defend here. You insult to many intelligent people by holding her coat. Jane Fonda's a bad deal, and everyone here your trying to convince are basically mocking you. I mock you, because your on the wrong side of history, and defending the wrong person.

            You and she will never get any sympathy from me. People like her and you are at the bottom of my love em list.

            .

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "If Barry Goldwater had been president.."

            Any president named Barry will do eh? That's all we need to whoop America's enemies and let "conservative" progressives lead us to the new Tower of Babel of perfect Social Justice and Tranquility.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "WRONG…no wool have ever been pulled over my eyes about Vietnam. Jane Fonda did what she did. Yes as Christians, we're suppose to forgive her…OK, she's forgiven. But that doesn't mean we forget her. There's still many of Vietnam Vets that refuse to EVER forgive, let alone forget."

            Personal forgiveness is entirely separate from the lessons we learn in life. This was public and to whitewash it would be to deny the lessons to those who don't have all of the facts. Therefore it is NOT Christian at all to deny such events or to even trivialize them in the name of supposed forgiveness. Those who squawk about forgiveness are just being narcissistic and self-righteous by showing you that according to their understanding they are superior to those who want people to learn from accurate portrayals of important events.

        • Western Canadian

          You repeat every left wing talking (lying) point going, refer to a left wing traitor as a patriot…. Misplaced your meds again, did you?

          • Texas Patriot

            It's usually the left wingers who resort to personal attack when they don't have a valid argument. But your comment makes sense if neoconservatives are really just left-wingers in disguise, which I believe to be true. Have a nice evening.

  • objectivefactsmatter

    "Then a vicious internet campaign got underway which resulted in death threats to the filmmakers, and a team of Democrat senators including Harry Reid threatened to pull ABC’s license if it aired the miniseries. ABC’s owner is a close friend of the Clintons to this day he refuses to release it on DVD."

    That's what torrents are for. If anyone wants to know where to get it, just say so. It's not amazing or anything but it is pretty good considering how hard it is to dramatize historical events. I watched it twice in one week just as an exercise to see if I could discern any significant bias.

  • lewwaters

    Hanoi Jane says on her blogsite, "I love my country. I have never done anything to hurt my country or the men and women who have fought and continue to fight for us."

    Yet: http://youtu.be/0ZHkqRLkNrY

    • Texas Patriot

      Compared with neoconservatives who squander American "blood and treasure" like it was nuclear waste, Jane Fonda looks like Paul Revere.

      • lewwaters

        Thanks to others who sacrificed, you are entitled to be as ignorant as you want to be.

        I am a Vietnam Veteran and if you compare her to Paul Revere, you're an embarrassment to Texas.

        • Texas Patriot

          In Texas, we have a tradition of fighting and winning wars with a minimum loss of "blood and treasure". The only conservative in my lifetime who fully understood that principle was Barry Goldwater. If you can't see that neoconservatives were the cause of the fiasco in Vietnam that unnecessarily cost us 58,000 dead, as well as the fiasco in Iraq that unnecessarily cost us $4 trillion in debt, 5,000 dead, and 25,000 to 100,000 physically or emotionally scarred for life, I think you have a lot to learn about the meaning of being a conservative.

          • lewwaters

            Maybe you forgot the tell that to Texan President Lyndon Banes Johnson who not only got us deeply involved in Vietnam, but micromanaged it and tied our hands fighting it.

            At age 64, born and raised a conservative, I doubt I have much to learn, especially from you. You on the other hand, need to pull your head back out into the air.

            You love throwing around "neoconservative." I highly doubt you even know what it means, likely something you heard sucking up to Ron Paul.

            Spew away, I'm done talking to you, a neocom.

          • Texas Patriot

            Lyndon Johnson was a misguided drunk, who didn't have the courage follow Barry Goldwater's advice of either (a) staying out of Vietnam or (b) winning it in a matter of weeks. Instead, he put American soldiers in a no-win trap until he resigned in disgrace. Nixon was even worse. He ran on a platform of ending the "tragic mistake" of Vietnam, and instead of doing that he kept our soldiers pinned down in a jungle nightmare for another seven years. At least half the names on the Wall in Washington DC wouldn't be there if Nixon had kept his promise to the American people. If you want to hate someone, hate the misguided Presidents who put you in Vietnam and kept you there with no chance of winning anything.

          • Western Canadian

            So now you ignore your own previous lie about texas winning wars… how pathetic.

          • Texas Patriot

            Neither Lyndon Johnson nor George Bush were authentic Texans IMO. LBJ was a drunk and a corrupt dealmaker. GWB was a deluded neoconservative who tried to play by Richard Nixon's playbook. Neither one could fight their way out of a paper bag.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Neither Lyndon Johnson nor George Bush were authentic Texans IMO."

            Clearly the only authentic Texas Patriot is you.

          • Texas Patriot

            There are many:

            Sam Houston,
            Davy Crockett,
            Chester Nimitz,
            Earl Campbell,

            just to name a few.

          • R_Swift

            Davy Crockett was a Tennessean dumb@zz

          • Western Canadian

            "In Texas, we have a tradition of fighting and winning wars with a minimum loss" and just how many wars has Texas declared and won in the last century? And who did Texas declare war on? You, like the rooster Fog Horn Leghorn, are a loud mouth schmuck. And as dishonest and ignorant as any left wing loon.

          • Texas Patriot

            Sam Houston. If you've never heard of him, look him up. Chester Nimitz. Same story.

          • itsy_bitsy

            John F. Kennedy was the President who first committed us to South Vietnam! Is he your idea of a conservative! You spout propaganda not facts!

          • Texas Patriot

            Kennedy had talked with Douglas MacArthur who told him that we couldn't win with a 1,000,000 men, because of the difficult terrain and the highly motivated and anti-foreigner population. It was the Harvard crowd who was so enamored with the "domino theory". Kennedy knew they were wrong and had already decided to get us out when he was assassinated. Johnson didn't have the courage to say no, and the rest is history.

        • JacksonPearson

          Thanks for serving, and God Bless.
          I had a close relative that flew F-4 Phantoms in that conflict.

      • Western Canadian

        Again, you demonstrate that you are a left wing boot licker, and don't know what neocon means. Fall off the wagon again, did you?

        • Texas Patriot

          Like I said, it's usually the left wingers who resort to personal attacks. Why? They have no valid arguments. What's your excuse?

  • Larry

    Hanoi Jane, find a firing squad, jump in front of it when the order to fire is being given.

    If you travel to Indonesia you will be able to save the life of a drug trafficer by doing so.

  • Texas Patriot

    Jane Fonda made one stupid mistake in Vietnam. Neoconservatives have made NOTHING but stupid mistakes since the days of Richard Nixon. Jane Fonda has apologized for her mistake. Neoconservatives don't think they have done anything wrong.

    • lewwaters

      If you think she only "made one stupid mistake," you need to watch and listen to this video: http://youtu.be/0ZHkqRLkNrY

      Or do you applaud the deaths of American soldiers and air crews too?

      • Texas Patriot

        "If you think she only "made one stupid mistake," you need to watch and listen to this video: http://youtu.be/0ZHkqRLkNrY Or do you applaud the deaths of American soldiers and air crews too?"

        Jane Fonda was hopelessly deluded and did a lot of stupid things, but her big mistake was dating a socialist boyfriend who cooked her brain with anti-American propaganda. The neoconservatives' mistake was not following Barry Goldwater's advice of getting out or turning N. Vietnam into a fireball. Remember this. Jane Fonda's mistake didn't result in the loss of a single American life. The neoconservatives are responsible for every American soldier who died unnecessarily in Vietnam and Iraq, and their wasteful policies have basically bankrupted the greatest nation in the history of the world.

        There is a conservative way to win wars, and a neoconservative way to lose wars while throwing away enormous amounts of American "blood and treasure" for no reason. Barry Goldwater knew the conservative way, and that's the right way. If there had been a reason for us to be in Vietnam, we could have won the war in a matter of weeks, or months at the most. Hanoi would have been flattened. Haiphong would have been blockaded. Ho Chi Minh and General Giap would have been dead in a matter of days, and if necessary we could have turned N. Vietnam into a virtual fireball.

        The truth is that our national security was never at risk in Vietnam, and we never gave our soldiers an opportunity to win anything. Instead we kept them pinned down in a hellish trap with no possibility of winning and no possibility of escape, and the only beneficiaries were the defense contractors and their special interest sponsors in Washington DC, who continued to make enormous profits, year after year, on a war that either never should have been fought or should have been won in a very short time.

        Anyone who still blames Jane Fonda for anything at this point, still has a lot of work to do in getting at the truth of the matter. If we had learned the mistakes of Vietnam, we would never have made the same mistakes in Iraq and Afghanistan. Wake up, and realize that you've been duped into hating someone who was trying to get you out of a no-win trap. Wake up and realize that America was duped into throwing away the "blood" of our soldiers and the "treasure" of our nation FOR NO REASON. Wake up and relegate the fraudulent and failed policies of the neoconservatives to the dustbin of history where they belong. Wake up and join the fight for truth and the renaissance of America, the greatest nation in the history of the world. Wake up and bring back the philosophies of Mr. Conservative, Barry Goldwater. Wake up and show some compassion for a woman who has had to live her life as a scapegoat for the crimes of the neoconservatives. Wake up and show some compassion for a deluded woman who was only trying to end a hopeless and unnecessary nightmare. It's the least you can do, for yourself, and for America.

        Perpetuating the lie that Jane Fonda is responsible for anything only perpetuates the lie that throwing American blood and treasure away for no reason is a good idea. It's not a good idea, and any right thinking conservative knows that.

        Peace.

        • Carolina girl

          Jane Fonda gave the slips of paper with the names of the men being held. They were later tortured. I believe that during World War II she would have been tried as a traitor.

          • Texas Patriot

            That was the most stupid thing she did, without a doubt. Those guys had no idea how brain-washed she was or clueless she was about the real motives and real nature of the N. Vietnamese. She had been living in France with a french movie-director, and then she was dating an American leftist community organizer. At that point she really had no idea who she was or what she was doing, and I seriously doubt that she ever imagined that the "lovely Vietnamese people" would torture American prisoners. It was just a tragic moment for all concerned.

            But it's a mistake to compare anything that happened in Vietnam with WWII. We won at war with Germany, Italy, and Japan, and we won that war in less than four years. Vietnam was a small Third World country in a remote, swampy, and at that time virtually worthless part of the world. Our involvement there was not a war in any meaningful sense, and there was never any intention on our part to win it. If we had a reason to win it, we could have flattened Hanoi and turned N. Vietnam into a virtual fireball within hours.

            As it was, we kept our soldiers in a no-win nightmare from 1961 to 1974. It was very confusing for everyone concerned, and very tragic. Jane Fonda was not responsible for the madness. If anything, she has been a victim of it as much as the soldiers our government abandoned there. But what she was trying to do is end the damn thing, and for that she deserves our thanks and not our condemnation.

            There needs to be some serious truth-telling about the whole thing, and if we want to call ourselves a Christian nation, we're going to need to do some serious forgiving all around.

          • Western Canadian

            "Jane Fonda made one stupid mistake in Vietnam."

            Again, you contradict yourself. That is the problem with making up lies as you go along, you forget your previous lies, and make a fool out our yourself.

            And again, militarily the war was won when the tet offensive failed. Democrats like you lost the peace.

          • Texas Patriot

            What war? Did we ever declare war on N. Vietnam? If not, why not? Being a "global policeman" pretending to fight wars, but not really doing it is as liberal as it gets. And the phony neoconservatives aren't any better. We've done it their way for 60 years and all we have done is throw away huge amounts of American "blood and treasure" for no reason. It's time for a change, and N. Korea and Iran are just the right candidates.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "It's time for a change, and N. Korea and Iran are just the right candidates."

            It's awesome that our born-again Christian president is going to take care of business like a real American AKA authentic Texas Patriot would.

          • Texas Patriot

            Absolutely.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "There is a conservative way to win wars, and a neoconservative way to lose wars while throwing away enormous amounts of American "blood and treasure" for no reason."

          You have no clue what "neo conservative" refers to. No clue at all. Neo conservatives are those who react to leftists. It doesn't mean they get their way. The things you complain about are caused by leftists. You're cheering for the side you claim to not support. You celebrate their victories.

          Nice.

          • Texas Patriot

            Who cares about the so-called "leftists". As I said before, they no longer exist or threaten anything except as an imaginary phantom in your mind. Why react to something that doesn't exist as a meaningful threat? Al Qaida does exist, and they do want to destroy us. Wasting time worrying about leftists is a joke. AQ wants to kill the leftists too. Compared with facing the reality of the global jihadist threat, worrying about leftists is like tilting at windmills.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Who cares about the so-called "leftists". As I said before, they no longer exist or threaten anything except as an imaginary phantom in your mind."

            You are a leftist. You're a classic dupe.

            "Al Qaida does exist, and they do want to destroy us. Wasting time worrying about leftists is a joke."

            Leftists like you are al Qaeda's most powerful tool.

            "AQ wants to kill the leftists too."

            Indeed they would kill you if they had a chance. That's why you need to wake up…but I doubt it could ever happen. You not only deny being a leftist (which is common) you deny that they exist at all. That means you're in the realm of zombie-land.

          • Texas Patriot

            "You are a leftist. You're a classic dupe. "

            If Barry Goldwater was a leftist, then I am a leftist. But he wasn't, and neither am I.

            From now on you may address me as "Mr. Conservative".

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "If Barry Goldwater was a leftist, then I am a leftist. But he wasn't, and neither am I."

            That statement makes sense to you? You provide evidence with each statement you make about your delusions.

            "From now on you may address me as "Mr. Conservative"."

            That ought to get even more laughs, Mr. Conservative.

            <Wink>

          • Texas Patriot

            Thank you.

          • Western Canadian

            He was being sarcastic….. and you couldn't even tell…

          • Texas Patriot

            What a surprise.

          • reader

            Your posts really look like written by a "born again beatnik" pretending to be a conservative trying not to be ignored from 'hello, i'm texas patriot.' And don't play your victimhood card about being insulted. Once you showed your hand by pinning Vietnam on the proverbial "neocons," your jig is up. You know, Stalin would always accused his enemies of what he was doing to them. That's one place this kind of game is coming from.

          • Texas Patriot

            You're certainly entitled to your opinion. Thanks for the feedback. Born again beatnik? That's a good one. Do you think Barry Goldwater was a beatnik? Maybe he was. ;-)

          • Bogdan from Aussia

            Texas idiot. Your ignorance is so breathtaking that it is virtually impossible to esplain you anything regarding Vietnam War and the circumstances leading to it.
            I'd suggest you to read the epic book "Mao – The Unknown Story" by Jung Chang and her husband Jon Halliday. Both have spent ten years researching the life of Mao himself and the influence he has had on the tragedy of Indochina.

            The book reveals that both Korean War and the Vietnam War have been deliberately provoked by Mao Tse Dong in order to sap America's military, economic and moral power.

            America has promised the Asian countries to defend them in exchange for them abandoning theit own quest for thei own nuclear weapons. That in turn gave America the bargain tool to stop the Soviets from proliferation of nukes among her vasals.

            In fact, it is much more complex than that but an individual with the dead brain like you would not understand more sophisticated presentation.

            Just read the book about Mao, maeby you shall learn something and open your sleepy eyes.

          • Bogdan from Aussie

            Apology for typos…

        • Western Canadian

          "Jane Fonda was hopelessly deluded and did a lot of stupid things,"

          Make up your weak and ignorant mind. You previously said she made ONE stupid mistake in viet nam. Can't even remember your previous lies…. Typical hard left troll.

          " but her big mistake was dating a socialist boyfriend who cooked her brain with anti-American propaganda"

          She was hard left before she met hayden, get your lies straight.

          ". The neoconservatives' "

          You don't know what the term means, quit showing how much of a fool you are by babbling about it.

          "There is a conservative way to win wars, and a neoconservative way to lose wars while throwing away enormous amounts of American "blood and treasure""

          Again, you don't know what the term means, and you don't know what you are talking about.
          LBJ was a democrat, no a conservative (also a racist pig).

          "The truth is that our national security was never at risk in Vietnam, and we never gave our soldiers an opportunity to win anything. Instead we kept them pinned down in a hellish trap with no possibility of winning and no possibility of escape,"

          They won the war, stupid. The dems lost the peace. Rather different from your left-wing lies.

          "Anyone who still blames Jane Fonda for anything at this point, still has a lot of work to do in getting at the truth of the matter."

          Blaming her for her traitorous antics and refusal to apologize, makes perfect sense. You make no sense at all.

          "If we had learned the mistakes of Vietnam, we would never have made the same mistakes in Iraq and Afghanistan."

          Different wars, different mistakes. You won in vietnam, and lost the peace. You failed to win in the middle east, by allowing islamic 'law' to exist.

          " Wake up, and realize that you've been duped into hating someone who was trying to get you out of a no-win trap."

          That statement is sick to the point of being criminal. You are no patriot. More of a comrade.

          " Wake up and relegate the fraudulent and failed policies of the neoconservatives to the dustbin of history where they belong."

          Quit using words you don't understand, and quit lying about being a patriot.

          " Wake up and show some compassion for a woman who has had to live her life as a scapegoat for the crimes of the neoconservatives."

          You are as much of a traitor to America as she was and is.

    • IMHomo

      One of those Ron Paul nuts ranting on here about "neocons." Spit.

    • Phil

      Please. Are you really excusing her foul behavior in Hanoi because neocons have made wrong decisions? What does 1 have to do with the other? The fact is that Jane Fonda committed an act of treason by giving aid and comfort to the enemy while so many American soldiers were being routinely tortured. She should have been charged. My protest is simple. I will not pay money to see that picture and have never gone to any of her movies or bought any of her merchandise. That is my right.

      • Texas Patriot

        If hating Jane Fonda makes you feel better you're probably still missing the point about what happened in Vietnam. What she did was a mistake, there is no question about it. A very stupid and very hurtful mistake. She recognizes that now and she has apologized for it. What I'm trying to do is put what she did into the context of a much larger crime against American soldiers who were put into a nightmarish trap and not allowed to win and not allowed to escape, when the security of the United States was NEVER at risk. If you want a scapegoat for Vietnam, why not look at the criminals who started the war and kept it going for no good reason, just to keep the war profits and defense contracts flowing into their companies. Eisenhower warned us about the "military industrial complex" when he left office in 1960, and I'm still not sure we've gotten the message. The bottom line is if you want to understand the tragic mistakes of American foreign policy in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, look to the people who were profiting from the massive loss of "blood and treasure" of the American people.

        • Carolina girl

          She has not apologized for turning over the names given to her on slips of paper. Remember, at that time, we did NOT know who all was being held in North Vietnam. She has only apologized for having her picture made sitting on the gun. Yes, the war was a waste of American lives but that does not make what Jane Fonda did right.

          • Mary Sue

            I read somewhere that the slips of paper thing was an urban legend?

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "If hating Jane Fonda makes you feel better you're probably still missing the point about what happened in Vietnam. What she did was a mistake, there is no question about it. A very stupid and very hurtful mistake."

          But that mistake had no consequences. It didn't aid the enemy realizing how much they could manipulate the American public. It didn't encourage them to continue fighting at all. It was just the kind of mistake children make while growing up and nobody should be disappointed or think that it had any effects on the war. How could it?

  • Cindy

    Thank you lewwaters for posting that youtube video. Why Jane Fonda was never arrested and put in prison for being a traitor to this country I will never know. And not only that, she is a celebrated Hollywood star…go figure. What is wrong with the people in this country? I have always boycotted her movies and videos. Anyone who considers themselves a true patriot should do so
    as well.

    • LewWaters

      You're very welcome, Cindy. It's an audio all should hear if they believe all she did was commit a little mistake letting the photos be taken. Her very words are aid and comfort to our then enemy an a direct contradiction of her claim in 2011 that she never did anything to hurt this country or the men and women who serve it.

      Like you, I will not see any of her movies or read her books or buy any of her videos.

  • mrstarry76

    Jane Fonda is so old and irrelevant that this is just her way of getting attention and trying to make waves. Who cares what she does. She isn't even worth a second look. She will never change. Just wish shed go away and find a better country to rip apart.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "Jane Fonda is so old and irrelevant that this is just her way of getting attention and trying to make waves. Who cares what she does. She isn't even worth a second look. She will never change. Just wish shed go away and find a better country to rip apart."

      I agree. Her antics are old news and this is just an unexpected chance for her to get attention from the other sick leftists. And besides we all know that actors are roughly morally equivalent to prostitutes. It's nothing new. That's not to say we should ignore it by patronizing her. Just ignore her all the way.

  • Rostislav

    It's so easy – even for the lowest slime like Fonda – to be a darling of the Red Evil. But no evil magic can make these fondas respectful among normal decent peoples, be it in America, in my Russia or in every country which had its own taste of real Communism. I've never been to Vietnam, but in the neighboring Laos her name is remembered with loathing and contempt – well, like any traitor's name should. My Laotian friends said once at the sight of Hanoi Jane in the local Communist paper on the table: "Our beer here is cheap enough already, so let's not spoil it with even cheaper additions". The paper was deservedly thrown into garbage bin. Deeper and deeper into morass of disgrace – that's the only way left for fondas, they understand it perfectly well themselves, thus becoming just more ugly and more spiteful with age… Rostislav, Saint-Petersburg, Russia.

    • Texas Patriot

      I wonder how the peasants of Vietnam were able to shoot down B52s at 50,000 feet.

      • Rostislav

        The peasants?! Shooting down B-52s?! Alas, Sir, your irony, is lost on me – please do explain what exactly do you mean?

        • Texas Patriot

          Let me say this, Rostislav. I have a great respect for the Russian people. Great chess players. Great novelists. Great musicians. Great dancers. Great engineers. Great warriors. And great party animals. I have never seen any reason why America and Russia couldn't be great friends. We got together and smashed Adolf Hitler and the Nazi War Machine, and we are going to need to get together again to smash the globalist jihadist conspiracy that wants to destroy Russia as much as they want to destroy America.

          But for a short period of time, there was a pretty sick relationship between our two countries, and we almost blew each other off the map. Personally, I'm glad those days are over, and it's high time that we got down to the serious business of working together to make a safer world. But it's pretty clear that the Vietnamese peasants didn't develop the anti-aircraft technology that would allow them to shoot down B-52 Stratofortresses at 50,000 feet.

          The story I heard is that state of the art Russian anti-aircraft batteries were being smuggled into Vietnam through Haiphong Harbor. Let's hope it's not true, but there is no question that a lot of mistakes were made on both sides in the aftermath of WWII, and if we had it all to do over again, I am sure that we would all do things a lot differently. I for one am willing to overlook the mistakes of an old friend, and I hope the Russian people can do the same regarding mistakes Americans have made.

          But in the process of burying the hatchet with each other, I think we need to be able to forgive the poor souls like Jane Fonda who really just didn't have a clue what was going on and just wanted to stop the slaughter. After all she was an actress. She was trained to be very emotional and theatrical. Obviously she had no idea what she was doing. The N. Vietnamese used her, she has realized it, and she has apologized. That ought to be enough. What do you say?

          • Rostislav

            What do I say? Your story about the Soviet batteries in Vietnam is 100% true. And it wasn't any "mistake" at all: it was Kremlin's determined strategy of winning the world dominance. And I can't take it as "my past mistake" because at that time I was in Arctic Siberia as a sworn hater of the accursed regime, enjoying with the Party thugs absolutely mutual feelings toward each other. I was a young guy then, but my practical experience of Communism + my theoretical (mainly clandestine – books, VoA, merchant marine friends etc) knowledge of "outside life" were quite sufficient to form my firm opinion that: a/ no Marxist regime represents its peoples, and b/ any fight against such regimes is righteous, Vietnamese war including. As you see, I have no anti-American "hatchet" to bury, as far as I never had it. But I do not hesitate to confirm that I'd gladly use any handy weapon against those who voluntarily supported Communist henchmen. Hence, I can't agree with your phrase "I think we need to be able to forgive the poor souls like Jane Fonda who really just didn't have a clue what was going on and just wanted to stop the slaughter". If I was able to "get a clue" in my tiny Siberian town, which was strictly controlled by the state security, then how could she remain without a clue in the absolutely free country – and she is no fool at all, that much I grant her. When after the fall of the USSR I was breathlessly visiting your wonderful library in Stanford, I was simply overwhelmed by the immense of information there – its rich treasury (and many others) was wide open for everybody, – but "poor souls like Jane Fonda" just weren't interested in getting the tiniest clue of truth – they were too thrilled with the fashionable delusions of their traitorous crowd. "To stop the slaughter" is, surely, a good intention, but in this case it is, I think, nothing but a worn demagogic cliché for joining the fashion: all these "poor souls" are always totally blind toward slaughter by Communists – in my Russia, in Vietnam, in China, Poland, Cambodia or elsewhere. Of course, it's your right, Sir, to be that generously all-forgiving toward fondas, but I – I just can't. For me it would mean to betray not only myself, but the endless graves of honest peoples, who fought Communism, from your Arlington heroes to the huge snow-clad burials of my compatriots in Siberian permafrost.

          • Texas Patriot

            Like I said, Jane Fonda's biggest mistake was being stupid and dating a socialist who cooked her brain with anti-American propaganda. There is no question that the national security of the United States was never at risk in Vietnam. N. Vietnam may have been communist, but as we have seen, no two flavors of communism are alike, and the democratic regime of S. Vietnam run by former hooker and heroin dealer Madame Ngu was probably not worth even one American life, much less 58,000.

            So it's fine to praise the "freedom fighters" against communism, and they will always have a respected place in the minds of free men everywhere. But the war in Vietnam was not about freedom. It was about money. And the longer the war went on, the more money the war profiteers made. And the truth is that the war profiteers and their special interest sponsors on Capitol Hill could have cared less about freedom or the lives of American soldiers who lives were thrown away for nothing in a jungle hell-hole. As Barry Goldwater said, if saving S. Vietnam was so important, we should have blown N. Vietnam off the map, and we could have done that without losing a single American life. He was right, and the rest of the Johnson liberal democrats and the Nixon neoconservatives were dead wrong.

            Unfortunately, because we failed to learn the lessons of Vietnam, we made the same mistakes in Iraq and Afghanistan. We can no longer afford the wasteful stupidity of the past, and it's time to get smart about taking care of our enemies with a minimum loss of American "blood and treasure". And in that regard, Russia can help out by standing aside and letting us defang the Islamic Revolutionary Party of Iran. Personally, I think you will, but first we must give Iran every chance to turn away from its insane nuclear ambitions. If it fails to do so, one night of precision bombing with sufficient kinetic force to penetrate their deep bunkers should do the job.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Comment of the year. It's priceless for anyone who can understand it. Anyone who can't understand it can't blame the author.

          • Texas Patriot

            Rotislav,

            You're going to have to make your own choices. And I can see that for some people, perhaps you as well, the issues are only black and white, good and bad, communist or non-communist. I don't see it that way. As a Christian, I see us all as blind men, groping for the truth, and the truth is a difficult thing to find. Jesus taught us first to take the plank out of our own eyes so that maybe we can see clearly enough to take the splinters out of our brothers eyes. I realize that the Communists were Atheists. Perhaps you are an Atheist as well. And it's par for the course for Atheists to hold a grudge and never move beyond the battles of long ago and are now dead and gone. But if you really want to honor your fallen friends who died fighting Communism, you too will wake up and see that there is a new day, a new enemy of mankind on the loose, and if you spend all your time fighting the phantoms of the past, you could easily miss seeing your real enemies in the present.

            Otherwise, my impression is that Christianity is alive and well in Russia, and even if you aren't a part of it, there are plenty of Russians who are.

            Have a great day.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Otherwise, my impression is that Christianity is alive and well in Russia, and even if you aren't a part of it, there are plenty of Russians who are. "

            One can forgive her personally without forgiving her public actions and publicly condoning them. One is to forgive after repentance of the guilty. It is not "Christian" to subvert justice.

            If you want to talk about how much you pray for her to repent and then condemn her actions, that is most consistent of all with Biblical values.

          • Texas Patriot

            To you, I'm Mr. Conservative, remember? I shall expect you to address me with my appropriate title if you want me to respond to you. Thanks in advance.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "To you, I'm Mr. Conservative, remember? I shall expect you to address me with my appropriate title if you want me to respond to you. Thanks in advance."

            So you're not a Christian? That's rather arrogant from a "Christian" whether neo-con or fossil-con or whatever your flavor.

          • Texas Patriot

            Not even Christians are expected to put up with rude and boorish behavior. Forgive yes. But further conversation is optional. ;-)

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Not even Christians are expected to put up with rude and boorish behavior."

            You'll tolerate anything but "rude and boorish" failure to address you as "Mr. Conservative."

            The entertainment keeps coming. But at least we can expect forgiveness for that and selling out our military. It's all more or less the same.

          • Western Canadian

            And if you were a Christian, you would not INDULGE in rude and boorish behavior….

          • Western Canadian

            Actually you sound more like Mr. Fonda…….

          • Texas Patriot

            Sounds to me like you're having Fonda tourettes. Get this straight. Jane Fonda was not the problem in Vietnam. The problem was not having leadership with the courage to stay out of their because it had nothing to do with our national defense or, alternatively, if it really was so critical to the defense of America, leadership with the courage to win it quickly, with a minimum loss of "blood and treasure". Jane Fonda was a hopeless goofball who tried to end the madness. She had no idea what she was doing.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "The problem was not having leadership with the courage to stay out of their because it had nothing to do with our national defense or, alternatively, if it really was so critical to the defense of America, leadership with the courage to win it quickly, with a minimum loss of "blood and treasure"."

            I don't disagree with you ideologically at this point, but which POTUS did you expect to decide to wage WWIII against the Soviets?

            FDR was a dupe and Truman was surrounded by Soviet Communist loyalists and communist true believers. This is the entire point we're making if you would simply take more time before you form your final analysis and start accusing everyone here of being "neo-con leftists."

            So which "conservative" president did you expect to come in knowing he had to get reelected and undo the unfolding history of the cold war by suddenly deciding to win it in a hot war in say 2 weeks in spite of the fact that by then nuclear tipped ballistic missiles were placed all over the world with some significant percentage of them aimed at us?

            Did you study any history in depth at all? Try to distinguish between ideals and criticism about what has actually unfolded historically. The most significant factor in the past century or more is the set of Marxist leftist movements. You deny this and claim that we are the leftists because "we" didn't get Ike to destroy the Soviets.

            OK. But don't expect anyone to take you seriously.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Get this straight. Jane Fonda was not the problem in Vietnam."

            She actually represents the core problem. We know enough about what she did and what the context was that she is now the perfect illustration for how leftists destroy Western cohesion and morale.

            Was she "the" problem alone? That's a bogus question. Is her behavior a perfect example of the fundamental problem? Yes indeed.

            "The problem was not having leadership with the courage to stay out of their because it had nothing to do with our national defense or, alternatively, if it really was so critical to the defense of America, leadership with the courage to win it quickly,"

            What do you suppose makes the greatest military power in the world timid? A weaker foe or rebellion in the streets at home?

            Grow up. It's long past time to put away your delusions about the hippies.

          • Texas Patriot

            You are a leftist and you don't know it. Conservatives win wars with a minimum loss of "blood and treasure". Leftists think nothing of throwing soldiers' lives and the treasure of the American people for nothing. Leftists are the problem, and you are part of it.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Conservatives win wars with a minimum loss of "blood and treasure"."

            Conservatives unopposed by leftists. When has that happened since the leftist infiltration of our institutions? WWII doesn't count because we actually fought according to Stalin's agenda there.

            Next you'll tell me all about the unicorn parade you're planning to celebrate the victories of the Texas Patriot Born Again Christian Barry 0'Bama when he whoops NK and Iran.

            "Leftists think nothing of throwing soldiers' lives and the treasure of the American people for nothing."

            Phantoms causing trouble? Hmm.

            "Leftists are the problem…"

            Yes indeed. Those "phantoms" are a huge nuisance these days.

            "and you are part of it."

            Sure. In Bizarro world where facts matter after they've been inverted.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "You are a leftist and you don't know it."

            I notice you didn't address my statements that undermined every position you took here on Fonda and what she symbolizes.

          • Rostislav

            "if you spend all your time fighting the phantoms of the past, you could easily miss seeing your real enemies in the present". Sounds fine, but are Putin, Obama or, say, our KGB's Islamic apprentices "phantoms of the past"? No, Sir, they are quite present – too omnipresently present, I'd say. Just like Hanoi Jane: she was a traitor, she voted for Obama, so to give her a role of your great President's true friend was – well, kind of merry dancing on the graves, it was a filthy spit into the face of all who respect Reagans' legacy. And you say "phantoms of past"?! Can't agree with you. It seems to me, that you tend to think by some strange generalizations ("I realize that the Communists were Atheists. Perhaps you are an Atheist as well) – your logic is beyond my understanding, unfortunately. I am a Christian, and, I believe, a very active one – not in Church services, but in my life, in my efforts to be worthy of the Lord's hopes for humanity. You know, there was quite a lot of exiled Christians of many denominations in my tiny Siberian town, and their common honest way of life was in full harmony with our old-believers' ancient proverb (in my modest translation): "God is almighty, but it doesn't mean that you are permitted to be all-weak". I'm not running for any phantoms, Sir, – I'm simply trying to live with these wise words in my heart. Have a good weekend too (we are blessed with a wonderful sunny snowfall now, so the day is great, indeed and it's a high time for a train to my favorite ski paradise nearby).

          • Texas Patriot

            If you are a Christian, you will probably want to read the book of the great Russian writer Fyodor Dostoyevsky, THE BROTHERS KARAMAZOV. It's one of the best books on Christianity I have eve read. And very funny too! If we can't see a little bit of ourselves in that story, we are probably not looking hard enough. Following the teachings of Jesus Christ has never been easy, and if we want to know what he requires of us, there is no better source than his own words. I have a feeling that in order to win the next great war of civilization against Islam, we will all need to be a lot better Christians than we are today.

          • Rostislav

            Your recommendation to read Dostoyevski is approximately the same for any Russian, as the recommendation to read Mark Twain for any American. I've read all my parents' old 32-volumes edition of his books long-long ago, while being a schoolboy. I was really fascinated with all of them but since then I grew up a little bit and my present age's conclusion is, – with all the due respect to great authors – that Christianity is not so in books as in our PERSONAL attitude to life, in our ACTIONS. Some peoples here in Russia are never tired to speak about greatness of Dostoyevski too, – but, to judge from their own behavior, they were reading just Comrade Stalin's 14 volumes, and nothing else…

          • Texas Patriot

            Unfortunately, at this point, most Americans have probably not read Mark Twain. But I'm glad you read The Brothers Karamazov. Every Christian should read it. As Jesus said, it is not reading his words that counts, but rather putting them into action. Perhaps we agree on that.

          • R_Swift

            "If you are a Christian"????? Why do you call him a liar? He plainly stated that he IS a Christian. Your accusation is not that of a Christian. Your posts are chock full of "tells", you sound like you're from Austin.

          • Western Canadian

            You are not a Christian. They are not allowed to indulge in 'false witness' behavior that you live for.

          • Drakken

            That is one of the best comments on how to view traitors as I have ever seen, ignorance is no excuse, wonderfully said !

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "That is one of the best comments on how to view traitors as I have ever seen, ignorance is no excuse, wonderfully said !"

            Isn't it beautiful? It's one thing for me to say that when I grew up with libraries so near (as did nearly every American) but when a prisoner of the communist regime knows enough to have a reasonably rounded perspective on the world, what excuse does that leave for twits like Hanoi Jane and all of the other traitors?

            None at all.

          • Drakken

            Probably like your parents, mine made me read a book or 2 every week no matter what was going on, I hated it then, but thank them for it now, and patriotism is a lesson that was learned very early on. As I use to tell my Marines, ignorance is no excuse, when in doubt ask. It amazes me at the deprivations the Russians or anyone in the com bloc went through and have come through it with a better understanding of things than a lot of us spoiled westerners and all that has been squandered.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "It amazes me at the deprivations the Russians or anyone in the com bloc went through and have come through it with a better understanding of things than a lot of us spoiled westerners and all that has been squandered."

            And leftists dismiss them as paranoid like none of that terror ever happened. And of course any real suffering was due to "imperialist aggression," somehow, some way, it was always due to that.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "But for a short period of time, there was a pretty sick relationship between our two countries, and we almost blew each other off the map. "

            Moral equivalence is not Christian either. You can take a comprehensive nuanced approach and detail where we Americans did things with harmful consequences but overall we Americans fought for preservation of our own freedom and liberty and extending it as far as we could.

            If you listen to Reagan's speeches he was very much motivated by the plight of people like Rostilav. It seemed to be a primary motive of his. You as "Mr. Conservative" ought to root your political views a little more closely in the realities of what motivated Mr. Reagan rather than what motivated the innocent lamb; Hanoi Jane.

            Wait, Reagan was a "neocon," right? Never mind.

          • Texas Patriot

            There is no question that Reagan was a neoconservative. Instead of the "tax and spend" mantra of the Left, Reagan's mantra was "borrow and spend", and we've been borrowing and spending for phony wars, phony schools, and phony health care ever since. If RR was a real conservative, he would have blown the Islamic Republic of Iran off the map for holding our embassy hostage. When he failed to do that, he showed his true colors as a conservative in name only. And the rest is history. You and many others like you think Reagan was a conservative, and unfortunately, he wasn't.

          • Drakken

            Son you need a lot more knowledge on history than what you have been given. RR before he was elected told Iran that they would have 24 hours to release the hostages or he was going to level Qom on the first day, and then Tehran the second. the bearded savages released them as Reagen was being sworn in, not so much as an eff you to Carter, but the fear of what RR was going to do on his first day in office. So please try to keep up.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Son you need a lot more knowledge on history than what you have been given. RR before he was elected told Iran that they would have 24 hours to release the hostages or he was going to level Qom on the first day, and then Tehran the second. the bearded savages released them as Reagen was being sworn in, not so much as an eff you to Carter, but the fear of what RR was going to do on his first day in office. So please try to keep up."

            Precisely. Because Reagan was credible we did not have to attack them. By and large Reagan wisely followed our best interests in a very complicated world.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "There is no question that Reagan was a neoconservative."

            You're confused by the term. What distinguishes neo-cons from classic-cons or fossil-cons?

            "Instead of the "tax and spend" mantra of the Left, "

            But there is no "left.' That's what you told me.

            "Reagan's mantra was "borrow and spend", and we've been borrowing and spending for phony wars, phony schools, and phony health care ever since."

            Ahh. The cold war was "phony."

            OK then.

            "If RR was a real conservative, he would have blown the Islamic Republic of Iran off the map for holding our embassy hostage. When he failed to do that, he showed his true colors as a conservative in name only."

            Perhaps he understood that measured aggression in the gulf region – which by the way lies very near the former Soviet Union and was not the place to ignite WWIII at the moment it would have sent the Jihadis all the way in to the Soviet camp had we followed your suggestions – was a better approach in the long game against the Soviets and the jihadis.

            You're all for aggression as long as the objectives are unrealistic. If they are realistic, you'll join with the "phantom left" to disrupt the plans and then scream how it was never realistic in the first place.

            I do enjoy our conversations. You're very pleasant and cooperative for a leftist.

          • Western Canadian

            Reagan was a classical conservative, and again you look the fool playing with words you don't understand. What makes you think that you creating rubbish out of thin air and trying to claim that it was Reagan's 'mantra'??? Misplaced meds, perhaps? Reagan did not 'borrow and spend' and you seem to be ignorant about the division of powers in the US govt. Reagan cut taxes, revenue went through the roof, and democrats like you falsely claimed you would make cuts, and never did.

          • Western Canadian

            Short period of time…… Again, you prove you have no knowledge of history, and try to spin it to cover your own guilt and ignorance.

      • sharpsrifle

        Try the NVA and 30 grand. SA-2's provided by your buddies the RUSSIANS.

        The "peasants" couldn't even bring down UH-1's, let alone BUFFs!

      • Western Canadian

        B-52's, even lightly loaded couldn't make it to 50,000 feet….. Is there anything about viet nam and war in general you are NOT wrong about???

  • jacob

    If HANOI JANE because she was a Hollywood "celebrity" (in country in which any moron, even
    "Rappers" are also celebrities and their ranting "art") wasn't thrown in jail and sued for treason
    then she is entitled to claim anything she wants….
    As the saying goes, were there no pimps, there were no prostitutes….

  • visitor

    One of the pleasures of living in a free country is that we don't have a Censorship Bureau that can dictate who performs on stage or screen (or who can teach or publish or speak in public). Politics aside, Jane Fonda (like Vanessa Redgrave, who is a member of a Trotskyist party) is a very talented actor and is entitled to play any role for which she is hired. And you the public are free to attend her performances if you like or choose not to. That's what I think she means by "get a life."

    • Phil

      That is not why she replied, "Get a life". She doesn't have any remorse for the hurt she caused to so many american families who had sons and daughters in Viet Nam. I was against the war but never took part in a demonstration that hurt our servicemen or glorified the communists.

      • visitor

        I have no problem with people who object to her antiwar stance boycotting her films. I myself don't go to films starring or directed by the antisemite Mel Gibson. What I do have problems with is people who call for her to be shot or imprisoned or barred from work because they disagree with her politics. We live in a democratic republic, not a totalitarian state. People are free to espouse whatever views they wish about the government and its actions. If today you can sanction a Fonda, the same may happen tomorrow to someone whose views you support. Freedom of speech includes freedom for those whose speech you don't like.

        • Western Canadian

          Disagreeing with the 'politics' of someone who was a traitor during a war…. makes sense.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Disagreeing with the 'politics' of someone who was a traitor during a war…. makes sense."

            No matter what a leftist does against a Western sovereign, it's considered their right to do so in the name of "free speech."

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "What I do have problems with is people who call for her to be shot or imprisoned or barred from work because they disagree with her politics. We live in a democratic republic, not a totalitarian state."

          Some times we have to fight to preserve those freedoms. When there is war, the rules get more serious. It's interesting to notice that since the leftist peace movements got so aggressive in the 1960s that providing aid and comfort to an enemy is now considered protected speech and yet today in 2013 many of those same people who take that position also support the POTUS who said that the future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.

          Basically it doesn't matter if you're loyal to the USA. What matters is whether you're loyal to leftist demagogues and leftist ideals.

          Let's put it this way, a man is in jail today for "violation of parole" <wink> by "uploading" a video. Did Jane Fonda face any official reprimand for her actions at all? How much time did she spend in jail for offending American patriotic feelings?

          I'm not demanding anything. I'm simply saying that based on results, we are losing our constitutional rights and leftists are going straight for mob rule by constantly making emotional arguments and failing to come up with any consistent standard for their "demands" and "rights."

          A legitimate case could be made for prosecuting Fonda. It's hard to justify what happened to the alleged publisher of "The Innocence of Muslims." The trend is not good.

          And it's all connected to the idea that leftists have taken over our schools and other institutions, and indoctrinated most of our citizens.

          • visitor

            There have been numerous attempts to suppress the right of free speech in war time or time of turmoil: e.g., John Adams' ill-advised alien and sedition acts, the imprisonment of Eugene Debs for speaking out against American participation in the first World War, and the Nixon administration's prosecution of antiwar activists. What those who wish to suppress dissent fail to recognize when they seek to criminalize speech which they don't like is that it is precisely the Constitutional guarantees of freedom of speech, religion, assembly and the like that make America so great.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "What those who wish to suppress dissent fail to recognize when they seek to criminalize speech which they don't like is that it is precisely the Constitutional guarantees of freedom of speech, religion, assembly and the like that make America so great."

            If you're propagating the views of the enemy there is a problem that must be dealt with. I'm not arguing for martial law at all. However, there are lots of options between anarchy and shooting people the moment they open their mouths.

            They deserve all of the protections of due process, which means if they aid the enemy they need to justify it to a judge and jury. And we need to err on the side of protecting political speech. Throwing out all standards is not the answer to every difficult question.

            Also, there is a HUGE difference between marching down the streets showing empathy for the enemy and traveling to meet with enemy leaders and letting them feed you propaganda.

            That is treason. She deserves a trial and only then will she be punished. When people express that they think she ought to be shot, it means they think they know the outcome of the trial. It's not really evident that people are advocating suspension of constitutional rights. But especially during war those rights need to be defined clearly and laws need to be enforced.

            Our liberties as interpreted by leftists means that our enemies are allowed to fun propaganda events in front of our media, and challenging their lies is immediately met with cries of censorship. Then after the treason is committed the claim is we want to throw out the constitution.

            That's just stupid. We can look back in history and predict subjectively what we think the evidence would show in a trial and predict a verdict. We're not actually in a jury room right now. We are allowed to do that. We can speak freely too and furthermore we're not harming the interests of our nation and our civilization when we do say these things.

            We're not suppressing dissent per se unless you conflate every enemy action and describe it as such.

            I have freedom of expression…BOOM!

            Ever hear of Bill Ayers?

  • κατεργάζομαι

    That's okay. MS Fonda won't be so detached and insouciant when she hears:

    ." ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ ~ Matt 7:23

    Who Cares?

    • Texas Patriot

      "That's okay. MS Fonda won't be so detached and insouciant when she hears: ." ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ ~ Matt 7:23 Who Cares?"

      That's an interesting observation. The question is, who will the Lord be saying that to? Jane Fonda who only tried to end a hopeless war? Or those who wanted to keep it going and keep our soldiers trapped in a jungle nightmare with no chance of winning and no chance of escape for no reason other than maintaining their profits and improving their balance sheet? Those are questions I think we should all care very deeply about.

      • κατεργάζομαι

        Explaining a tongue in cheek joke is like dissecting a frog.

        In the end frog still dies; and either way, nobody cares. sheesh!

        • Texas Patriot

          If you think Matthew 7:23 is a joke, you could be in for a very serious surprise.

          • κατεργάζομαι

            Some people ransack and burn through posts as they rummage for a reason to be insulted and offended. Never knowing that the post's salient point(s) completely allude them.

          • Texas Patriot

            I hope you're not one of those people.

            BTW, do you mean "elude"?

          • Western Canadian

            Yes, and you are a victim of the syndrome. Mr Fonda. And we will not pretend that your wife was not a traitor, or that you are a Christian.

          • Western Canadian

            You didn't even come close to understanding the post. Replying to it, again shows you to be a fool. And a hypocrite. You are NOT a Christian, Mr Fonda. And neither is your wife, Jane.

      • Mary Sue

        The Lord doesn't give out "insert hope for peace receive gumball" rewards. "Stopping the slaughter" is a context-free analysis. The objective should be stopping the freaking communists. Sure, there were some commies disguised as peasants in the 'nam war. They failed to stop the communists because it was done wrong (LBJ sux), and it was only hopeless because the military was hamstrung by stupidity from the higher-ups. That in and of itself doesn't make Vietnam an unjust cause, it just means a just cause was botched badly (and probably on purpose if you ask me).

        • JacksonPearson

          The Vietnam war was lost because of a poor egotistical president (LBJ), and an even worse secretary of defense, James McNamara. Both were way over their heads. They ham strung ground and air to controlling their every specific move. Plus the longer these conflicts last, the shorter the patience of the American public. Our military had every opportunity to win, but were held back by Washington politicians. Add, history wise, LBJ lost it with the USS Liberty. In that incident, he should have not only been impeached and removed, but tried for treason.

          • Texas Patriot

            Vietnam was a poor undeveloped Third World Country. We could have won that war in a matter of weeks or less. Unfortunately, there was never any intention to win it in any meaningful sense. It was designed to "contain" communism, rather than to defeat N. Vietnam. You can't contain an idea with military force. But we could have destroyed N. Vientam. Barry Goldwater was right. If our national security was not at risk, we had no business being there. If it was at risk, we had no business doing anything but winning it as quickly as possible with a minimum loss of American "blood and treasure".

          • Western Canadian

            Gee, now you are sounding like the classical conservative Ronald Reagan, a man responsible for bringing down your empire by attacking it financially, instead of containing it.

            In spite of loons like LBJ, the war in viet nam was won. Until democrats like you lost the peace. Which was a crime against humanity.

          • κατεργάζομαι

            Replying to Western Canadian

            ~ You GO! WOW! – You are on a hot streak. Great comments, they are a thrill to read and put a bounce in my tired step. Keep it coming!

          • JacksonPearson

            You're right In part, and WRONG in part, again. As small and weak as Vietnam was compared to the United States, the Chinese army was waiting and poised just like in the Korean conflict, The Chinese armed Vietnam, and was giving them intel. Had we invaded the North, we'd had an all war with China…or didn'tcha know that?

            Whether we had business there or not, is of little relevance to "Hanoi Jane's" blundering and her forever embarrassing presence in Vietnam. No matter though, it still didn't justify her being there to humiliate her country and talk down our prisoners of war…such an act is called TREASON. Jane and leftist John Kerry were cut from the same cloth.

            So matter how much apologizing you attempt to do to clear her, you can't, Because, no matter how much lipstick you put on that pig…the pig still looks like HANOI JANE FONDA

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "You're right In part, and WRONG in part, again. As small and weak as Vietnam was compared to the United States, the Chinese army was waiting and poised just like in the Korean conflict…"

            I took it for granted that he must know this. Is it possible that anyone doesn't?

          • Texas Patriot

            The idea that China cared what happened to Vietnam is another "phantom" that neoconservatives used to get us involved in a hopeless and unnecessary war that cost us 58,000 men. China didn't care about Vietnam then, any more than China cares about N. Korea today.

          • R_Swift

            He doesn't……. and it gets worse than that.

          • R_Swift

            He is going to defend John Kerry next.

  • Robert A. Hall

    Thanks, Jane, but I’ve got a life. Your NVA friends missed. I will link to this from my Old Jarhead blog. (www.tartanmarine.blogspot.com)

    Robert A. Hall
    USMC 1964-68
    USMCR, 1977-83
    Massachusetts Senate, 1973-83
    Author: The Coming Collapse of the American Republic
    All royalties go to help wounded veterans
    For a free PDF of my 80-page book, write tartanmarine(at)gmail.com

    • JacksonPearson

      Thanks for Serving, God Bless and Semper Fi.

  • Paul Schnee

    In order for us to believe Hanoi Jane's claim that, “I have never done anything to hurt my country or the men and women who have fought and continue to fight for us" requires that we stretch our willing suspension of disbelief tighter than her face. This dreadful woman gave aid and comfort to the enemy. People have been hanged for less.

  • diocisalvi

    will never see a movie that this thing is, in MY FATHER SPENT 3 TOURS IN VIETNAM…don't care what she uses for excuses, she is a traitor and that is the bottom line…she can get money from that other moron ted turner another traitor…no dime from me…ever…

  • Bill Wyatt

    As a Viet Nam Veteran ( USMC purple heart recipient) It tears at my heart strings that a person who knows deep in her heart that she betrayed her country during the Viet Nam War, would even consider portraying a great American like Nancy Reagan. She should be ashamed of herself. Yes, she said that she apologized to the veterans – but we know why – she had to film that movie without a lot of hassel and that is evident by comments that she has made during several televised interviews since that time. She has made her bed and now she must lie in it. For Veterans (All paid some but, some paid ALL). God Bless America!!!

    • Texas Patriot

      Jane Fonda didn't put you in the death trap of Vietnam with no hope of winning and no hope of escape. But she was one of the ones who tried to get you out of there. And for that you should thank her. However stupid and screwball and misguided her methods were, she had the same idea as Barry Goldwater, i.e. if it's not worth winning, get the hell out of there. And of course, the truth of the matter is that the security of the United States was never at risk in Vietnam. If you want to hate someone, hate the war profiteers and their special interest sponsors on Capitol Hill who put you in that jungle and wanted to keep you there for only one reason: to fatten their own pockets.

      • Mary Sue

        "Getting someone out" is a meaningless thing. No hope of winning was the fault of LBJ, it was not an objective reality but for the actions of the idiots in charge (the Commander in Chief at the time). By the time Nixon took the reins, and then got them out, he probably bought into the idea it was unwinnable because of all the idiotic damage done by LBJ.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "Jane Fonda didn't put you in the death trap of Vietnam with no hope of winning and no hope of escape. But she was one of the ones who tried to get you out of there."

        She encouraged and gave hope to the enemy. You're insane.

        • Texas Patriot

          "She encouraged and gave hope to the enemy. You're insane."

          Apparently you live in a world of imaginary phantoms. Let me ask you this. If the N. Vietnamese were really our "enemy", why did we let any of them live, even for 24 hours?

          • Maxie

            Wake up. We could have blown the whole bunch back to the Pleistocene Age in about two weeks. We let "them" live because it was their murderous leadership that was the problem and LBJ took that option off the table ASAP. Vietnam was the first of the Left's PC wars which sacrifice the lives of our own men in the 'interest' of "winning hearts and minds." No. Korea was the first; Iraq and Afghanistan are the most recent. The Left is populated by reality-denying fools whose ideological ignorance is criminal.

          • Texas Patriot

            "Wake up. We could have blown the whole bunch back to the Pleistocene Age in about two weeks. We let "them" live because it was their murderous leadership that was the problem and LBJ took that option off the table ASAP. Vietnam was the first of the Left's PC wars which sacrifice the lives of our own men in the 'interest' of "winning hearts and minds." No. Korea was the first; Iraq and Afghanistan are the most recent. The Left is populated by reality-denying fools whose ideological ignorance is criminal."

            It's not just the left. The neoconservatives are just as bad. Otherwise I agree. It's time to start cleaning up the landscape, and we might as well start with Lil' Kim Jong Un's N. Korea. All they need to do is make a tiny move, and they disappear. The great surprise to the left and the equally ineffectual neoconservatives will be when they realize that Barack Obama is a Barry Goldwater/George S. Patton conservative. First N. Korea, then Iran. And then we'll see if we have any other takers. Frankly that ought to set the stage for the rest of our war against global jihadism. We shall see.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "It's not just the left. The neoconservatives are just as bad."

            Dude, you don't get it. You are so far to the left that you think the left doesn't exist. Then you blame the right when they compromise with psychotic leftists and because the left in your mind does not exist, this is what makes the "neo-cons" culpable for all of our failures?

            It's coherent but delusional.

          • Texas Patriot

            I'd say the same about you, but I'm not speaking to you, remember?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "I'd say the same about you…"

            No need. I already understand how delusion works.

          • Mary Sue

            you are aware, are you not, that "neoconservative" is dog-whistle for JEWS?

          • R_Swift

            No, he doesn't.

          • Texas Patriot

            It's not.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "It's not."

            Not always, but often is.

          • Drakken

            Barry Obummer is a Barry Golwater conservative? Are you on effing drugs?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Apparently you live in a world of imaginary phantoms. Let me ask you this. If the N. Vietnamese were really our "enemy", why did we let any of them live, even for 24 hours?"

            Because we're humane and they were proxies for the Soviets and Chinese.

          • Texas Patriot

            "Because we're humane and they were proxies for the Soviets and Chinese."

            Now I know you're a neocon. All bark and no bite.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Now I know you're a neocon. All bark and no bite."

            OK now we understand. A neocon is anyone who does not see the world in black and white…and almost the entire world is white except for al Qaeda.

            Got it.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Apparently you live in a world of imaginary phantoms. Let me ask you this. If the N. Vietnamese
            were really our "enemy", why did we let any of them live, even for 24 hours?"

            It's interesting that you think the fact that we "let them live" is evidence that there is no leftist movement in the West. Very interesting.

      • Drakken

        Son, if you wore a uniform you would understand, since it is bloody obvious you didn't, the point went right over your little lefty head.

        • Texas Patriot

          I don't care what you call me. There are no conservatives anymore, so to me you're basically all leftists. But in case you want to know how a real conservative thinks, remember this. Every American life is precious. Every hard earned American dollar deserves to be respected. And if anyone presents a clear and present danger to the United States, they need to be eliminated immediately with a minimum loss of American "blood and treasure". And if they taught you anything other than that in the military, they basically taught you to be a leftist. Sorry to break the news to you. But if you think that throwing away American lives and American dollars on wars we never intended to win is a good idea, you are certainly no conservative. Have a nice day.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "I don't care what you call me. There are no conservatives anymore, so to me you're basically all leftists."

            So..we don't exist either, or we exist as phantoms who have Internet connections?

            "Every hard earned American dollar deserves to be respected."

            Believe me; no welfare recipient or leftist politician sees themselves as "disrespecting" anyone's money.

            "And if anyone presents a clear and present danger to the United States, they need to be eliminated immediately with a minimum loss of American "blood and treasure".

            Ah,, but "phantoms" keep interfering with consensus building.

          • Drakken

            This guy texas idiot is so far out in left field he isn't even in the game, makes zero sense and thinks Obummer is a conservative, this guy did way too many drugs to even make a reasonable cognitive arguement.

          • Texas Patriot

            Make that right field, and you'll begin to understand where I'm coming from. My political philosophy remains the same today as it was in 1964 when I campaigned for Barry Goldwater. He was a man who cared about American soldiers, and would rather blow an entire country off the map than throw away the life of one of our own. If had been elected in 1964, one of two things would have happened. Either we never would have gotten involved in Vietnam, because it was of no strategic importance to us. Or, we would have won the war in a matter of months, if not weeks. Fighting wars but not winning them is for neoconservatives, and Barry Goldwater was no neoconservative.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Make that right field, and you'll begin to understand where I'm coming from. My political philosophy remains the same today as it was in 1964 when I campaigned for Barry Goldwater. He was a man who cared about American soldiers, and would rather blow an entire country off the map than throw away the life of one of our own."

            You seem like a sincere fellow who holds some conservatives ideals. You've been duped badly by leftist phantoms.

          • Texas Patriot

            Take a look in the mirror. Throwing men and money away on a hopeless attempt to reshape the world is not my idea of conservative.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Throwing men and money away on a hopeless attempt to reshape the world is not my idea of conservative."

            You egg on those who take away the hope.

      • Western Canadian

        Look Mr. Fonda, repeating your fairy tales about your wife, Jane, does not make them true. And the way you repeat the hard left lies….. Pathetic.

    • JacksonPearson

      Thanks for Serving Bill. God Bless and Semper Fi

  • Patscholar

    I have boycotted Jane Fonda's "artistic" contributions since 1972 and will continue to do so. Having her portray Nancy Regan is a poke in the eye of conservatives. It is akin to having Meryl Streep portray the Iron Lady, Margaret Thatcher. Holly wood chose to have Streep focus on Thatcher's last days when she had altzheimers and had trouble remembering, rather than portraying her during her years of power. How traitorous, how misogynistic is that? The left is genetically incapable of anything like independent thinking and will continue to try and destroy any conservative, male or female that they focus upon.

  • RUI

    Hanoi Jane playing Nancy Reagan?
    What's next? Ahmadinejad playing Jesus? Perhaps Lady Gaga can play Mary. And Kim Jung Un can be the Easter Bunny.

    For crying out loud!

  • A concerned Soldier

    This American Hating BROAD was directly responsible for the DEATHS of at least 10 maybe more American soldiers and Marines by her friends , The North Vietnamese military. I still believe that the U>S> Government should have CANCELED her Passport the moment she landed in Hanoi. Let them keep her. As far as her apoligizing for her actions, I did not believe it the first time I heard it, and still don't. Nothing she could say would make me forgive her for what she did. You can check the records or just ask a Vietnam Veteran for proof.

  • tagalog

    Half the country is right-wing. If she wants to tweak the right, the right can respond by boycotting her movie. I mean, on top of a right-wing boycott, how many non-dogmatic lefties are going to be interested in a movie about this subject-matter? This movie is going to be stinko at the box office.

    How good can it be with Jane Fonda portraying Nancy Reagan? This movie is bound to be a slap in the face for the Reagan administration.

    Skip it. I'm going to.

    • Texas Patriot

      I think it's going to be hilarious. I think Ronald Reagan was a great actor, and he was also a great union organizer for the Democrats in California. I never understood why he wanted to be a Republican because there was really nothing "conservative" about him. The only difference between Ronald Reagan and a typical left wing Democrat was where they got the money. Democrats wanted to raise taxes. Ronald Reagan wanted to borrow the money. They both spent money like it was going out of style with very little if anything to show for it. Now Nancy Reagan was something else. Astrology? No problem. Frank Sinatra? No problem. Like I've said, I'm a Barry Goldwater conservative. None of this baloney makes any sense to me. What we need is a rejuvenated Republican Party built on Barry Goldwater principles. And that means "More Bang for the Buck".

      • Western Canadian

        He was a union organizer for SAG. And negotiator. He went to the republicans for the same reason that civil rights activist C. Heston did. Because the dems had already begun to turn hard left. The republicans put up a fight to keep him out, because they knew he was a classical conservative, and where do you get this absolute load of slop about him 'borrow the money'?? He cut taxes, and revenue increased massively, while dems like you blew it on bribes to lower class left wingers… With all due respect (absolutely none in your case), get back on your meds Mr. Fonda.

  • Jaysonrex

    Jane Fonda is old, tired and deserves to retire – the sooner the better. Her strange relationship with her dad, Henry Fonda, is apparently hunting her all the way to the grave. The American people will never forgive her for her "Vietnam Circus" but maybe God will do that in their place. Who knows?

    • mattogilvie55

      No, she needs to die.

  • Maxie

    Fonda is just another sellf-adoring narcissist and typical of those that populate the "we always know what's best for everyone" Left. It's a mental malignancy which infects these arrogant "the ends justify the means" dumbells.

  • Viet Nam Vet 68-69

    I for one am not Fond-a Hanoi Jane. Her popularity has been waning for many years now and hopefully it will fade into the sunset like so many others fo her genre, as I see it the only literary talent she has is what the Hollywood crowd spends on her and tells her what to say. She has no intestinal fortitude and is not capable of admitting her wrong doing. She should have been tried as a seditious traitor many years ago, yet she is allowed to enjoy the fruits of this Nation and reap the benefits of being an American. Her Comment that was made "get a life and who cares" is very characteristic of another comment made by Hillary Clinton over the anniliation of the men at Bengazi when she said "What Difference Does It Make." Some people just simply have no remorse. I further believe that every RVN Veteran and Military person that has ever served will refrain from seeing her latest movie that she may finally realize that the life that they got may just crush the one she desires to recapture. Her candle will flicker when the studios bite the proverbial bullet that causes them to lose millions on her flicks!

    • JacksonPearson

      "She should have been tried as a seditious traitor many years ago"
      YES

  • Anamah

    Leftist have no greatness. Here we see this old woman after her entire life of narcissism and treason; who idea is allowing her to impersonate Nancy Reagan? A commie who sold her fellow Americans to the enemy? A fake and stretched skin, a hag to whom I wish the worst luck…

  • mcmorrowpc

    Why doesn't she move to Hanoi and learn how to make hot dogs out of dead rats? She is a traitor to this country and committed treason, without question.

  • Keith41

    I had a high school classmate….great young man. As soon as he finished college, he received his draft notice. Went to Vietnam, was dead within a month. Jan Fonda, you can go to Hell!

  • LindaRivera

    I love the Women in Green in Israel. They told off Jane Fonda!

    http://www.freerepublic.com: ….."Listen fellows, Jane Fonda is just arriving from Jordan where she got a royal treatment. You are allowed to film her but don't you dare ask her any questions. She should not feel your presence. Everybody should stay quiet and distanced and respect her privacy. And I repeat- don't talk to her, don't ask her any questions".

    Then this woman sees the 3 of us. We on purpose did not wear our green Women in Green hats. Knowing that people recognize me even without my green hat, I cover my face with my scarf and she asked my mother-in-law Ruth: Who are you and what are you doing here? Ruth answers innocently and in English: Oh, we are waiting for some friends to have lunch- why? is there a problem? And the lady said: Oh no, that's ok and returned to the minibus.

    She opens the bus door, out comes Jane Fonda and some 12 of her Jewish women local leftists with her. The camera men click away and film away according to the strict instructions: "very quietly respecting her privacy"

    Then they reach us and we turn around shouting: 'Hanoi Jane!- Hanoi Jane!- you are an American traitor! How many Americans were killed because of you? You are an American traitor and you came to Israel as a guest of Peace Now, Israeli traitors- You constantly identify with the enemies of the Western world- once it was in Vietnam where you identified with those who murder Americans and now you came to identify with those Arabs who murder Jews- GO HOME! Shame on you! Shame!"

    The Israeli PR lady was livid! I thouht she was going to faint! Here she had given all those instructions not to bother poor little Jane and now we 3 ladies are shouting at her.

    Jane Fonda had a frozen smile. The Peace Now women were too shocked to utter a word. They surrounded Jane in order to 'protect' her and whisk her inside the restaurant as soon as possible. IT WAS GREAT! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/811541/p

    • Western Canadian

      Thank you.

  • epaddon

    Ah, if only Jane had been lobotomized in 1968. Then the diseased part of her would have been gone, leaving us with just the sexy body of Barbarella!

    • Western Canadian

      She was. Then they added the implants….. Sexy??? not really.

  • Texas Patriot

    In the minds of many, Jane Fonda remains the scapegoat for the hellish mistakes of Vietnam. Never mind that she didn't start the war, and she didn't keep it going long after it had any chance of success. She tried to stop it in a very naive and nonsensical way, and for that she is hated.

    If you want to hate someone, if you want to hold someone responsible for what happened in Vietnam, it's time to look at the hypocrites who started the war on false pretenses and kept it going long after it had any chance of success. The soldiers who were sent to Vietnam and kept there for no reason have a legitimate complaint against the government that unjustly required them to sacrifice their lives and their health for no good reason. Now the ones that survived are getting older, and their war related health care problems will inevitably become more acute. Who is going to pay for that? Many of them are homeless and have no health insurance. What's going to happen to them? Will hating Jane Fonda make any difference in their lives? Of course not.

    There is an injustice that needs to be remedied, and hating Jane Fonda is not the way to do it. There is no statute of limitations on war crimes, and what happened in Vietnam was a WAR CRIME AGAINST AMERICAN SOLDIERS. Sooner or later the American people will wake up and hold the corrupt politicians responsible for needlessly throwing away the "blood" of their sons and the "treasure" of their nation. And the sooner that day comes, the better for all the veterans who served honorably in that hellish and totally impossible and unnecessary fiasco.

    • Western Canadian

      The conduct of the war was moronic, but in spite of Texas democrats like LBJ, the American soilders and their allies won. And democrats like you flushed it down the toilet a couple of years later. You and yours are guilty of a crime against humanity. And you Mr. Fonda and your wife Jane are among the worst. You have the blood of American and allied soldiers on your hands, you lie to re-write history, and are guilty of the slaughter of millions of non-communists in SE asia. You should be ashamed.

      • Texas Patriot

        I've heard about the Canadian public health system, but I really didn't think it was all that bad. Thanks for helping me out on that.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "In the minds of many, Jane Fonda remains the scapegoat for the hellish mistakes of Vietnam."

      Scapegoats are slaughtered. She's still alive. She's an illustration of the core problem: leftist ideology.

      "There is an injustice that needs to be remedied, and hating Jane Fonda is not the way to do it."

      It's not personal. It's a succinct lesson. She's a traitor who got away with it and remains a hero of the left.

      "There is no statute of limitations on war crimes, and what happened in Vietnam was a WAR CRIME AGAINST AMERICAN SOLDIERS."

      That's an interesting bit if rhetoric that adds nothing to this conversation.

      "Sooner or later the American people will wake up and hold the corrupt politicians responsible for needlessly throwing away the "blood" of their sons and the "treasure" of their nation."

      Wait a minute. You're the guy who loves Barry. You're the guy defending our awesome "Texas Patriot Born Again Christian POTUS." What's the problem if the most powerful man in the world already meets your standards? We need more Barrys?

  • Mark

    The great Henry Fonda has to be ashamed of her to his grave. I would have been. I am ashamed of her as an American.

  • Disruptive Element

    The government is being controlled by communists-Hollywood is full of communists. They make movies with hidden innuendos of communist doctrine. The old style communists hauled people off to the Gulag or they were killed. Since they can't go to that extreme here the next best thing is to publicly destroy and demean everyone that dares to publicly speak up–Margaret Thatcher, Palin, for starters-name any conservative trying to run for office. The moment they announce the communist media will begin to work on them. This movie, like all the others, will manage if not overtly to insult and demean Mrs. Reagan. They play the Palin movie non stop on HBO. Stop buying their papers, stop going to their movies, turn off the network news, you can find other real sources of news and entertainment. You have that power-Do it! Or forever hold your comments. Turn them off. Stop buying their news. Counter every bit of propaganda they put out. Vote them out.

  • Tamara

    This is not a free speech issue. She actually lied and said that the POWs were not being tortured, she road in a tank that was killing our soldiers; she collaborated with the enemy in wartime. POW's gave her notes to give to their families so they would know they were still alive & SHE gave them to the ENEMY who in Turn Beat & Tortured Our Men Relentlessly. She put the life of every solder over there in danger by her actions . That is treason. She should have been tried & convicted as a traitor!

  • Willy Rho

    There is no statute of Limitation for Treason. She should still be tried and Hung from the Washington Monument at Noon on July 4 of as soon as possible.

  • Texas Patriot

    Apparently there is no statute of limitations on stupidity either. Otherwise why would the hopelessly deluded and massively wasteful "neoconservatives" make the same mistakes in Iraq and Afghanistan that we made in Vietnam?

  • Jim64

    She should have been sentenced by rule number .two-two-three long ago.

  • RealityAlwaysBites

    Hanoi Jane…. traitor then…. traitor now, she is probably one of the most ignorant bitches in the film industry and she has some serious competition.

    Talentless hack like Nugent, just hanging on the coattails of those much much greater.