Suppressing Zero Dark Thirty

For anyone still skeptical of just how influential Hollywood’s movie messages are in the cultural and political realms, one need look no further than the political football called Zero Dark Thirty.

After appearing in limited release late last year, the film Zero Dark Thirty goes wide in theaters this month. Created by screenwriter Mark Boal and director Kathryn Bigelow, the filmmakers behind the 2010 Oscar-winner The Hurt Locker about a bomb-defusing adrenaline junkie in the Iraq war, ZD30 dramatizes an even more controversial subject – the real-life takedown of elusive terrorist icon Osama bin Laden.

Once word got out earlier last year that the Obama administration had granted the filmmakers access to classified information about the military operation, and that the film would be released just prior to the presidential election, conservatives cried foul and worried that the movie would exaggerate Obama’s role and serve essentially as an extended campaign ad for him. This concern was understandable considering that Hollywood was already doing everything in its power, onscreen and off, to reelect their Messiah. The left in turn dismissed these complaints as Republican paranoia.

But it didn’t quite turn out that way. First, the filmmakers avoided any seeming political impropriety by releasing the film after the election. Then, once the movie hit theaters and began garnering reviews, the left was aghast to discover that it opened with a graphic and extended scene depicting the waterboarding of a terrorist suspect, a scene that seemed to affirm what many conservatives had been insisting all along – that the hotly debated enhanced interrogation under President George W. Bush produced results that contributed to the intelligence which ultimately led us to bin Laden.

Suddenly, left-leaning reviewers were falling all over themselves to denounce the film. The Huffington Post dismissed it as “torture hagiography” and declared that the movie’s message “corrodes our culture.” Meanwhile, reviewers on the right were embracing it. The New York Post’s Kyle Smith, for example, declared that Zero Dark Thirty

is a clear vindication for the Bush administration’s view of the War on Terror. Moreover, ‘ZD30’ subtly presents President Obama and by extension the entire Democratic establishment and its supporters in the media as hindering the effort to find bin Laden by politicizing harsh interrogation techniques and striking a pose against them that was naive at best.

The left, which had worked very hard to demonize Bush over the issue of enhanced interrogation, quickly took politically intimidating action to squelch any suggestion that Bush’s “torture” worked. Democrat Senators Dianne Feinstein and Carl Levin, and RINO John McCain (who had actually been tortured in captivity during the Vietnam war), sent a letter to the movie’s distributor, Sony Pictures, calling Zero Dark Thirty “grossly inaccurate and misleading,” and urging Sony to add a disclaimer to that effect: “We believe that you have an obligation to state that the role of torture in the hunt for Osama bin Laden is not based on the facts, but rather part of the film’s fictional narrative”:

We understand that the film is fiction, but it opens with the words ‘based on first-hand accounts of actual events’… [T]he movie clearly implies that the CIA’s coercive interrogation techniques were effective in eliciting important information related to a courier for Osama bin Laden.

… [T]he fundamental problem is that people who see Zero Dark Thirty will believe that the events it portrays are facts. The film therefore has the potential to shape American public opinion in a disturbing and misleading manner.

The senators concluded that the filmmakers and the studio “have a social and moral obligation to get the facts right.” Actually, what the Senators want is for the filmmakers to revise inconvenient facts. They are also launching an investigation into the filmmakers’ ties to the CIA. Had ZD30 supported the left’s stance on enhanced interrogation, of course, none of this would be happening.

In a statement of their own, director Bigelow and screenwriter Boal countered that their film is not political and does not take a position on whether torture led to the location and killing of bin Laden:

This was a 10-year intelligence operation brought to the screen in a two-and-a-half-hour film. We depicted a variety of controversial practices and intelligence methods that were used in the name of finding bin Laden. The film shows that no single method was necessarily responsible for solving the manhunt, nor can any single scene taken in isolation fairly capture the totality of efforts the film dramatizes.

CIA Director Michael Morell then waded into the controversy with a letter to CIA personnel stressing that “Zero Dark Thirty is not a documentary” and “the film takes significant artistic license, while portraying itself as being historically accurate.”

The film creates the strong impression that the enhanced interrogation techniques that were part of our former detention and interrogation program were the key to finding Bin Ladin. That impression is false. As we have said before, the truth is that multiple streams of intelligence led CIA analysts to conclude that Bin Ladin was hiding in Abbottabad. Some came from detainees subjected to enhanced techniques, but there were many other sources as well.

Notice how Morell doesn’t deny that waterboarding was one of those useful streams of intelligence. He finished by noting ambiguously that “whether enhanced interrogation techniques were the only timely and effective way to obtain information from those detainees, as the film suggests, is a matter of debate that cannot and never will be definitively resolved.”

When Hollywood’s axis deviates even slightly from its usual leftward tilt, the progressive powers-that-be leap to correct its course. Look for example at the controversial 2006 miniseries The Path to 9/11, which Clinton alumni felt made them look soft on terrorism. Democrat lawmakers led by Harry Reid threatened to pull ABC’s license if the miniseries aired, which it only managed to because minor cuts were made that placated the left. The miniseries never aired again and still cannot be obtained on DVD because the studio’s head honcho is a friend and supporter of the Clintons.

Now, a film that the left smugly assumed would bolster Obama’s hagiography is actually empowering the right on Bush’s legacy and the issue of enhanced interrogation – and the party of censorship is once again pulling out all the stops to intimidate and suppress.

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  • Stephan

    Why are there so many photos of OBL where he looks like different persons?

    • Tpartywarrior

      Because those photos are taken at different ages.


      Same reason that over the years John Lennon looked like different persons.

  • Tpartywarrior

    Waterboarding is NOT torture. It is an enhanced interrogation technique. Liberals are clueless.

    • UCSPanther

      I would class it as torture, but more psychological than physical since it induces fear of drowning in its subject.

      Interrogations are never pretty, but they are a necessary evil, especially when one is dealing with ideologically committed fanatics who are determined to take their secrets to the grave with them if necessary.

    • EarlyBird

      Yes, waterboarding is torture. It was torture when the communists did it to capture American pilots, and is and was denounced by every expert in the field of human rights, military law, morality, religion and people who know about actual human decency. This does not include Rush Limbaugh, who called the brutalization being dealt out by GIs under direct order from Washington "college pranks."

      It is torture, and you are a liar.


        Waterboarding is far less torture than cutting the throats of captives and posting the video of the murder on the Internet as al qada does.

        al qada are the enemy of humanity and need to be hunted down and shot like mad dogs.

      • Mary Sue

        true torture does actual physical harm. The waterboardee is never in danger of death.

      • Supreme_Galooty

        True torture is listening to folks who condone abortion – killing a nascent human being – while simultaneously bemoaning relatively benign activity as being against "actual human decency." Liberal Progs such as yourself are torturers of honesty, logic, integrity, morals and character. Not only are you pitifully moronic, you present a palpable physical threat to common decency merely by your presence. You are a blight.

    • DPittelli

      I don't really care if you call it "torture" or not. In war, you can do anything the enemy does, provided that you are not targeting noncombatants disproportionately to your military objectives. Aerial bombing of cities used to be considered a war crime, but after the bombing of London, the UK and US had no qualms about using it in Dresden, etc. Likewise, dropping nuclear bombs on cities is a great offense against noncombatants, and clearly worse than torturing a combatant, but we were prepared to do so if the Russians nuked us. Likewise we went to considerable effort during WWII to have nerve gas agents ready to respond in case Hitler used his considerable gas technology on us. Upholding the "law" or military custom not to do these things allowed, and indeed relied upon, our willingness to break such "law" when so provoked. Since our al Qaeda / jihadist enemies do not hesitate to torture and worse any captives they have, we may, and should, do the same to those AQs we capture. They are an illegal army without uniform, insignia or rank, and we may kill them as we see fit.

    • Deep Space

      I am most certainly in favor of "enhanced interrogation" but to say waterboarding is not torture is just flat our silly.

  • ealha3

    According to the Geneva Conventions, torture is:
    "Part I,Article 1
    For the purposes of this Convention, torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession ,,, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind,,,, when such pain or suffering is inflicted … at the instigation … with the consent ,,, of a public official
    Therefore, if you want to know if someone has experienced "severe" mental or physical "pain" in violation of the conventions, just ask them. So John McCain, why aren't you calling for the prosecution of Democrats as war criminals for the "sever" mental and physical "pain" they inflict on conservatives trying to get us to give up our effort to uphold the Constitution?

    • Willy Rho

      That is one of the reasons a 50 Megaton bomb should be dropped on Geneva. There are many other reasons.


        I would first threaten Mecca with nuclear annihilation.

    • EarlyBird

      John McCain knows what torture is. He knows that waterboarding is torture. He knows that waterboarding is the least kind of torture we dealt out in the Middle East. He knows it not only degrades our military as an organization, but degrades the soldiers who torture. He knows that it ultimately hurts our intelligence gathering, because it leads to so much disinformation.

      Rules exist not for the times when it's easy to follow them, but during the times that it is hard to follow them, like when we're afraid and fighting a bunch of bearded fanatics.

      • ealha3

        It is your kind of ignorant conclusionary blabberings that successfully convince others, even less knowledgeable but with a constituency. to legislate moronic rules designed to limit experts and professionals far more intelligent and rational in their ability to perform functions vital to our national security. If you understood the definition of torture and the affects of waterboarding, you would understand how tens of thousands of our own members of the military have undergone that activity without even a temporary physical or mental negative affect and therefore does not approach the definition of "torture.". By your inane standards, an inconvenience would constitute "torture." How about the "threatening" presence of a guard at a military prison asking an incriminating question? Would it make any difference if the prisoner were "Mirandized" and confessed only because he was fearful of "severe" mental or physical pain? The sad part is that the rest of us who know the value of our freedoms and the dangers posed by barbaric, savages have to suffer your ignorance in defending our country.

    • Gswee

      First of all…….Whys everybody h8n on water? Water's your friend. Be one with the water. Anyway. Ok….Mr./Ms water h8r, say you where head of the CIA, what wimpafying tactics would you have suggested to do? Hot Hands? Ooh-Ouch, that can get your hands a little fiery sometimes. Maybe thumb wrestling would be better! Boy wouldn't that show 'em. One good 'ol thumb pin from an American interrogator would have them on the first magic carpet flight out of the Country! I was gonna say camel ride but clearly you can't ride a camel over miles and miles of open ocean, That would just be silly :p I guess they could check the camel in as you would a dog and put it in the magic baggage compartment of the carpet. Anywho…..
      Second……Who the Hell likes Conventions anyway?? They're always stupid, boring and last waaaay too long, ESPECIALLY the ones held in Geneva! UHGG!! :(

  • davarino

    Thanks McCain for clearing that up for us. You are honest to a fault, even if that means teaming up with the left. McShame needs to go, as wel as a lot of other repubs. They disgust me.

  • pierce

    What is next for the Demonic Party. They keep catching every one off guard. They have almost succeeded in creating an America that no one recognizes. And Boehner and company haven't got the ammunition to shoot this out of the sky, primarily because the MAIN STREAM MEDIA, doesn't want the populace to know about this transgression, and so THEY will not put any of this in print. That is being left to ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN, and they don't care. FOX NEWS is the only one to expose this charade, and I get the feeling they are beating on a dead horse, because we have too many ignoramouses, who don't know, don't care, and don't want to know.

    • EarlyBird

      Throughout history, American soldiers undergoing the stress and horror of combat have committed atrocities, including torture, in the field. That's human nature. And to America's credit, many of these trangressions have been punished.

      During WWII, Germans knew that the US was the best enemy they could surrender to, because the US was known to treat prisoners humanely. Washington was known to explicitly forbid the abuse of British prisoners during our Revolution.

      It was only under W. Bush that Americans systematically tortured, under orders. It is un-American to torture. That Obama now ended the torture regime returns us to America's roots, rather than moves us away from them.

      • AnOrdinaryMan

        During WWII, Americans routinely used waterboarding on German POWS(as the Germans did on US POWS), and also used sodium pentathol-truth serum, fairly frequently. The cognitive dissonance comes from the fact that back then, waterboarding wasn't regarded as torture. Americans also used waterboarding in the Korean war, and in the Vietnam war.

      • Drakken

        When fighting civilized people you used more or less civilized western methods, when fighting savages, one must get downright medival on them, anything less is defeat.

  • Gislef

    In his biography, doesn't McCain say that torture was effective against him?

    • Questions

      Can someone explain why Sen. John McCain is siding with the Democrats on this one? He knows first-hand what interrogation is like. Why would he object to the film's content?

      By the way, see this movie. I've been a huge fan of Kathryn Bigelow's work ever since her early cult faves like "Before Dark," "Blue Steel," and "Point Break," to say nothing of her Oscar-Winning "The Hurt Locker," released in the summer of 2009. Like John Woo, Ridley Scott and Steven Spielberg, this is a filmmaker who makes you feel what combat is like at ground level.

      • EarlyBird

        Because McCain is a moral man? Because though he hates America's enemies as much as the good ol' right winger "conservatives" he knows that we can't destroy our souls as we try to destroy our enemies? Could that be?


          McCain hates Americas enemies while Dhimmi Carter LOVE Americas enemies.

  • Capt_Z1

    Be nice to waterboard the idiot in the White House to see what is actually happening in this country.

    • Kevin

      Well he certainly is torturing us, isn't he ? And what''s going on is the complete destruction of the Nation as we know it, the economy, our stature (sic) and the Constitution

  • EthanP

    We on the right need a few billionairs to do what the left does. Spend lots of money to make political films. No one sees their films, (Syriana, Rendition, etc). I bet that middle America, (flyover country) would assure a profit if quality is there.

    • Questions

      Cut the nonsense. The year 2012 generated the most box office revenue in the history of Hollywood at $10.8 billion. This whole notion of "Hollywood vs. America" is a gambit designed to ostracize, not shed light on anything. Anyone can cherry-pick box office from a tiny handful of films (many of them quite good, by the way) to "prove" a preordained conclusion.

      A lie repeated 30 million times, as opposed to 30 times, is still a lie.


        I heard that in Manhattan movie tickets are $13.50.

        Astronomical ticket prices are one reason of record revenue.

        How many tickets were sold?

    • Arlie

      Acts of Valor was an excellent film independent of Hollywood. I do not attend Hollywood Made movies

  • grn. p. malaise body.

    no two stories of the event from the White House are consistent.

    the White House and staff are all serial liars.

    seal team six seals all turning up dead.

    the wrecked helicopter in all the photos of the actual purported scene look fake.

    the movie like the actual purported killing is theatre.

    I don't believe any of it. OBL has been dead for more then a decade. I will not believe without proof and I haven't seen any, the only thing that is verifiable is that the current administration is full of lying marxists.

    • EarlyBird

      Grn p. Malaise, what color is your sky? How many moons does it have?

    • MaryS

      Completely agree with you. Until the Washington Gangsters release photos of the "murdered" OBL, I won't believe a word of it. There WAS a body carried out of that compound, but I seriously doubt it was him. And… coincidentally a short time later, there was a Chinook helicopter shot out of the air with 20 SEALS aboard. No one has said one DAMN thing about that!!!!! Dead people can't talk, right??

  • Drakken

    Red is positive, black is negative and make sure hadjis nuts are wet.

  • Willy Rho

    Getting information from a Mass Murderer by any means necessary is justifiable. Your city has a Hidden Nuke that will go off in 24 hours. This man you are holding can identify and reveal the location in less than an hour. What are you willing to do? Waterboard? Yes bring it on. Fools.

    • EarlyBird

      This is not an episode of "24," cowboy. The masses of prisoners tortured under orders by Bush, Cheney and the rest of the neocons were not "Mass Murders," and did not have a nuke hiding in a city. These were detainees – guilty and not guilty – who we tortured to see if we could get intel out of them. What we did was objectively no different than what the Syrian government is now doing when it pulls some poor guy off the street and questions him with "enhance interrogation." It's what every horrid tyrannical regime has done throughout history. The US is supposed to be better than that.

      The blood thirsty cheerleading for more torture by America on this board is repulsive. And they've got the nerve to suggest that ending Bush's torture regime is UN-American!



        Threaten to nuke Mecca in retaliation. That will get jihadi attention.

      • Walt

        Where do you come off with the 'masses of prisoners tortured under orders by Bush'? Where are your facts as to numbers of the 'masses'? As is usual for your type/ideology, facts don't seem to matter, only your 'feelings'!

        If you were in a position to KNOW what you are talking about, instead of foolish speculation, it would be worth listening to – as it is, your ignorance is shouting out to all the readers that you have serious problems with FACTS.

      • Drakken

        Hey moron, when you fight muslim savages all rules go out the window since they follow no rules period, folks like you who take the high moral ground in our fight against islam will always be buried in that high moral ground and always in mass graves.

  • Thomas Wells

    Islamic enhanced interrogation is called beheading.

    • EarlyBird

      Ah, so if they're horrible, we get to be horrible too! Hurray! Gee, this "morality" stuff is pretty easy when you put it that way.



        How do you think WW2 was won?

        Peace quilt?
        Peace conference?
        Anti-war activists?

        • Mahdi Al-Dajjal

          Exactly. We killed their guys faster than they killed ours. And the Russian cleaned the rest of them up with a vicious door-to-door campaign of murder and rape until FINALLY the demoralized Germans had only one option remaining… surrender.

        • EarlyBird

          With really vicious fighting, and really smart, legal and ethical intelligence gathering from prisoners, that's how.

      • Drakken

        There is no morality in war idiot! The first rule is win and make your enemy suffer complete and total defeat. Thus it has always been, until some idiot tried to insert morals into warfare.

  • tanstaafl

    Secrecy begets tyranny.


      Who funds "anti-war" activists?

  • Pastor Bob

    Why not threaten to use the guillotines that FEMA is hiding on Army bases across the country? Off with their heads,hands and private parts. They won’t need them where they are going!

    • Deep Space

      OMG! And I suppose the executioners are the revived aliens from Roswell who now have condos at Area 51 and who are entertained by Elvis everynight! Double LOL and thanks for getting my morning started with a bit of humor!

  • pierce

    Well, I for one don't go to any movies coming out of Tinsel Town. All they do is give people ideas on how to kill their fellow humans. Why is there so much violence in the world, Tinsel Town is the spawning place for all of it. As long as people are willing to pay ridiculous prices to be entertained by that kind of garbage, then let them waste their $$$$$$$$$$$$$$, and support the left, and Obama.


      You got that pierce.

      Watch any ad for a current movie.
      Car chases, car crashes, guns blazing.

      Current day Hollywood is pathetic.

      People should vote by not going to todays movies. Rent or take out a DVD from the library for free.

  • EarlyBird

    What an indictment of today's right that they cheerlead America's torture regime under Bush. Good Judeo-Christians, them. Some, like Tapson, at least have the decency to try to hide it or minimize it by calling torture "enhanced interrogation" or putting the word "torture" in quotes.

    The United States of America, under Bush, tortured detainees – guilty and not guilty – and also murdered them. Forget about waterboarding, which is and was torture and called by its name when the VC did it to Americans; how about beatings, electro shocks, hanging by dislocated limbs and then being beaten, etc., which were torture when the Nazis and Soviets did it and which were committed by Americans, under direct orders? What a black mark on America.

    And those on the inside who know about the Bin Laden raid all say that the torture did NOT contribute to capturing OBL, but in fact made it harder, since the ones being tortured would say anything to make it stop. Good ol' intelligence and hard police work gave us in the information we needed to find the SOB, including moral interrogation of prisoners.


      Guess what EarlyTurd,

      Your osama bin laden is DEAD.

      "Torture" worked.

      • Jim_C

        True, OBL is dead. Thank you, President Obama!

    • Drakken

      Please leave war to folks who know what it takes to win, you leftist hand wringers are always getting in the way of victory.

    • Kevin

      War is HELL, you mean the not guilty ones that they let go and returned to the battle field and killed American troops, those guys ?

  • Glennd1

    It's also true that when the convention was originally written that it excluded spies, saboteurs and terrorists from such protections. Today it has been extended to all, but the truth that nobody wants to talk about is that torture has always been part of war. And morally it makes sense. I mean, if I'm allowed to come in and kill you in your sleep – as the laws permit me to do to an armed, uniformed combatant, how does it make any sense that I can't shoot that same guy in the knee to get him to give up his comrades? Giving up his comrades will save U.S. troops lives – and guess what? It happens on most battlefields at some point.

    Put more simply, if it's moral in some cases for me to take someone's life, how is it immoral to inflict pain on them? Particularly with something like waterboarding or extreme positions or sleep deprivation or sexual humiliation – as the U.S. used formally. I mean, I can kill him but I can't slap him around? And we aren't doing this as a matter of course, we were using it selectively. I support torture in very limited circumstances, but I think it's immoral to not torture for information, I mean, saving our lives is still more important than saving the enemies, yes?

    • Drakken

      So called torture dealing with western peoples is used on a case to case basis, when dealing with the muslim savages, the gloves should be off and the mailed fist put on, anything less is an excercise in futility. Muslims as a whole only respect and fear force, any type of western rules in fighting these savages is looked at as weakness.

      • Glennd1

        Please do the civilized world a favor and don't reproduce or vote, okay?

        • Drakken

          Please do the typical leftist thing and go there and sing kumbaya and flash some peace signs at the savages, let Darwin give you your just rewards.

          • Glennd1

            Hey, birdbrain, are you really as ignorant as you sound? I mean, do you see anything in my comment to suggest I'm a leftist – I'm not and have only voted for one Dem in my life, and that was for county commissioner cuz the Repub was a fraud.

            One wonders how much a thug like you knows about Islam outside of what David Horowitz and Glenn Beck tell you? While I'm no sympathizer with the Islamists, your comment seems to indicate that we should just go to all out war with the Muslims, and the Muslims only. The fact is we could very likely contain them in the mideast and allow ourselves to continue to leave them farther behind economically and technologically. That would also have the added benefit of removing us as a target, which encourage them to kill each more.

            But what I also know is that Islam as a force in civilization is much broader and very significant in human history than just the current Islamism. When you speak about Muslims and Islam in the way you do it telegraphs that you only really understand that moronic rhetoric emanating from the likes of Pam Geller.

            My request stands. Please, don't reproduce or vote ever again, you would be doing humanity a great service.

  • zinkzombee

    Demoncrat liberals always have a problem with the truth, especially when it doesn't fit their twisted narrative. Why has photographic proof of Bin Laden's death been suppressed? We're supposed to take Obama's word for it? Every American citizen deserves the right to see photographic proof, that the Islamic terrorist responsible for killing 3000 Americans on 911 is truly dead.

    • slider 96

      Because his face was shot off .He's dead .TAKE OUR NAVY SEAL'S and their COMMANDER'S word for it . And thank goodness that our seals did THE RIGHT THING ,by killing him on the spot and disposing his caracas at sea .
      Their word is good enough for me . So stop your infantile whining and lets go get Zarwahiri .

  • narciso

    Glenn Carle, the Huffington Post's in house traitorous spy, is an interesting character, he was given one simple interrogation of an Al Queda financier, botched it, Jose Rodriguez, treated him properly, by not even
    referring to him, by name in his memoir,

  • SoCalMike

    "We believe that you have an obligation to state that the role of torture in the hunt for Osama bin Laden is not based on the facts, but rather part of the film’s fictional narrative”:"
    What a joke coming from this collection of self serving liars.
    McCain, Obama and Hillary are pro liars and parasites who have the obligation to get the facts straight but strive mightily to do the opposite. There is indeed a special place in hell for them and the rest of the traitorous liars like Glenn Carle at Hoof Post.

  • WilliamJamesWard

    I don't get liberals angst, since when is a leftist someone who cares about facts, the only
    fact they recognize is their lie of the day which changes according to the next day's play.


    Delete Dirty Dark Thirty

  • stevef

    "…the filmmakers and the studio “have a social and moral obligation to get the facts right.'….."…More evidence the Right is clueless re political streetfighting.

  • branderbobro

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  • guest

    The most wanted person ever…and they dumped the evidence in the ocean!? REALLY! I DON'T think so!_

    • Kevin

      I think they put him in the Witness Protection program, in Whitey Bulgers old condo on the Beach in California, you might catch him selling ice cream down by the boardwalk. Under the Boardwalk, down by the sea, in a burka with my baby is where I'll be.

  • EarlyBird

    All of you are a bunch of blood thirsty, knuckle dragging, infantile little boys pretending to play Army from the comfort of your computers. Bubbas, Zionists and paranoid right wingers all of you.

    You are are ultimately far more of a threat to America than the terrorists are. You're the type that make me ashamed to admit I'm a conservative.

  • Ghostwriter

    EarlyBird,you're an idiot. We're dealing with people who scream for our deaths every five seconds. Who want to kill you,me and every other American simply because we don't practice the same religion they do. Your anti-Jewish ramblings are of great concern to me. We can't sing "Kumbaya" to people who want to destroy us. Please leave your fantasy world and come live in the real one. And another thing,please get some common sense. You sound like you need it.

  • Joe

    Torture is a political issue. It doesn't have to be politicized. It is also a legal issue and moral issue. We elect our representatives, partially, to debate over the actions our country takes. I want a debate over the laughably deniable drone program. I think the movie does a good job of showing the psychological wear on the TORTURERS. 2 of the protagonists specifically. In the movie they mention the changing political climate around torture and i didn't view it as a shot to President Obama. I find it interesting that when it's a conservative's principles it's the "will of his constituents" but when it's a liberal's principles it's "an agenda". We are Obama's constituents, and when we elected him it was our will that he close down Gitmo and stop the torture. That was part of his platform!

    As far as President Bush's legacy… His legacy is this: He was elected to office by one vote: the Supreme Court's. 9/11 happened on his watch. He started 2 wars on a credit card. He stared the longest war in America's history with no clear exit strategy. He pushed for and started an illegal war in Iraq (thanks in part to his cabinet's neocon hawks).

    The "Bush administrations view on the War on Terror" was stated clearly in his state of the Union "You're either with us or against us" which is a great way to alienate other sovereign nations. He squandered the immense sympathy of other nations post-9/11 on Iraq. He skyrocketed the deficit. I know conservatives like to disown this guy: "He was a republican, not a conservative" but you can't keep electing your guys who infest the house with termites, disown them, and then blame the next guy that moves in when the house collapses!

    President Bush draws striking comparisons to President Regan who also ran illegal military operations during his presidency (difference being Bush lied to Congress about the evidence, and Regan lied by trying to hide it, then lied by denying any knowledge about it) Similar to Bush's runaway spending, Regan turned this country in his 8 years from the biggest creditor nation in the world to the biggest debtor nation in the world. The narrative about Regan "winning the Cold War" by outspending the Russians is absurd.

    Anyway,nice try attempting to salvage a Bush legacy…