Georgia High School Teachers: ‘Political Advocates’ for Illegal Aliens


Less than three weeks after two Athens, Georgia, high school English teachers appeared with formerly “undocumented” students at the Association of Teacher Educators conference in Atlanta, Georgia, a protest for “education equality” was held in Athens on the campus of the University of Georgia, one of five top state schools that restrict their access in order to save space for legal residents and returning soldiers.  No surprise, one of these teachers was quoted in the lengthy follow-up article on March 9 titled, “Undocumented students face hurdles to higher ed.”

I attended the conference to hear Bill Ayers, and saw that these educators had much in common: they saw their roles primarily as advocates, not educators.  ATE, however, claims to be “devoted solely to the improvement of teacher education” and to represent over 650 colleges and universities, 500 major school systems, and the majority of state departments of education

The advocacy includes that on behalf of illegal alien students, at the expense of other students.  The panel, “Immigration and Education: Critical Issues, Critical Times,” featured JoBeth Allen, who runs a “Freedom University” for students prohibited from attending the University of Georgia, and Azadeh Shahshahani, president of the Lawyers Guild and director for “immigrant rights” at the ACLU Foundation of Georgia.

Also on the ATE panel were two English teachers from the two public high schools in Athens: Matthew Hicks of Cedar Shoals High School and Ian Altman of Clarke Central High School.

Both teachers described to other teachers and education professors how they have turned their classrooms—during and after class periods—into advocacy labs for illegal alien students.  In her introductory remarks, Allen noted that the two “award-winning” teachers make “human rights” part of the curriculum.  That includes taking students to rallies for “undocumented immigrants,” helping students prepare speeches for the annual Athens Human Rights Festival, and publishing a newsletter.  Teachers bring students to hearings on immigration bills.  Altman talked about his plans to fly to Tucson with students for a “Greenfest” for “Dreamers” and bragged about a student who gave a “brilliant speech” at a press conference on immigration and now has a full scholarship to Syracuse University.

Such speech-writing forms much of the assignments in these two teachers’ classes.  Altman described how he begins the semester by telling students that he could “teach the standards” or teach them what is “valuable.”  (Skirting “standards” was an objective at the ATE conference.)  “I can teach standards,” he said, echoing ATE keynote speaker Bill Ayers, “but I might as well work in a factory.” In his estimation, what is valuable is raising awareness of the plight of undocumented students and helping them attain legal status.  Altman uses William Faulkner’s Nobel Prize acceptance speech, the Declaration of Independence, and Martin Luther King’s “I Have a Dream” and “Letter from Birmingham Jail” speeches to teach students “how a democratic society can function.”  Similarly, Arthur Miller’s play The Crucible teaches “empathy.” In other words, these literary works are twisted into arguments against immigration laws.

Altman used postmodern literary theory to justify his activism: immigration has to do with human lives and lives are “inscribed in language.”  For him, the personal and professional coincide: “To be their teacher means to be their political advocate.”

What about the student who is an American citizen and who disagrees with Altman’s position?

Altman puts the student on the spot and demands that he look at his undocumented classmate.  Even though his readings and assignments focus on “undocumented immigrants,” Altman claimed that the dissenting student is not pressured to change his politics.  However, “he has to understand human tragedy in our political system.”

Altman and Hicks use their classrooms after school hours for such advocacy as well.  Altman raises money for college applications, edits letters for college admissions, writes letters of recommendation, and offers a “safe place” for undocumented students.  “We become advocates, confidantes, and confessors,” he stated, as he laid out the standard leftist line about how those who advocate for strong immigration laws are really classicist, and racist against Latinos.

Both Altman and Hicks presented themselves as modern day freedom fighters.  For them, being advocates for “undocumented” students is a high, noble cause.  Indeed, it was quite disturbing to watch the two teachers with their former students next to them talk about emotionally charged after-hours sessions.  Said Hicks, “You need to be brave enough and strong enough,” yet “able to cry with them.”

Once he has helped them find the college that welcomes undocumented students, Hicks helps them write application essays.  But he also incorporates college application essays into his classroom activities, encouraging students to write about their “challenges.” Admissions panels, looking for “diversity” increasingly give greater weight to such essays, as legal challenges to other preferential criteria like the automatic addition of points to test scores for those of certain races are made.

The two girls had given their stories, in the typical 18-year-old patois, repeating the trauma of what it was like to learn that they were “undocumented,” while they “felt American,” and how “it sucks how teachers can’t help students unless you tell them you are undocumented.”

Of course, there was no discussion of the law or acknowledgement of parental responsibility, or of the possibility of getting state-supported college educations in the nations of their birth.  These were teenagers, and admittedly good students.  They are the type advocates of the DREAM Act like to show off.  They gave their testimonies about being brought over by “coyotes” from Mexico, tearfully leaving behind grandparents.  They do the same when they testify at the state Capitol, hoping to tug at the heartstrings of legislators, but not needing to for the businessmen who seek to profit from cheap labor, and university administrators who seek the federal aid dollars that follow students.  D.A. King, president of the Dustin Inman Society, a pro-enforcement immigration watchdog group, is used to seeing busloads with young people coming to the state capitol in Georgia to chant “we will not comply” with immigration laws.

Teachers like Altman and Hicks have been trained by education professors like the ones at Georgia State University who held a Teach-In last year on lobbying against immigration laws (my testimony here).  Their preferred “undocumented” students earn high grades, at least partly because of their extra help.

What about the student who, quite logically, doesn’t see Faulkner’s Nobel Prize acceptance speech as a statement on behalf of illegal aliens, and furthermore does not want do writing assignments that include protest speeches, or emotionally charged college admissions essays?  Well, he’s out of luck, and furthermore has little recourse through an appeal to his teacher.  Matt Hicks admitted that helping “undocumented” students is “what I do with all my spare time.”

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  • http://www.adinakutnicki.com AdinaK

    Well, anyone who is not frightened by the complete takeover of the educational system, by none other than unrepentant domestic terrorist Ayers (and his surrogates, wifey Dohrn included), is in a coma. As such, I devoted an entire commentary to this horrific reality, hoping to raise the necessary alarm bells – http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/12/25/domestic-terr

    Bottom line: radical revolutionaries always advocate for lawbreakers, and illegal aliens more than fit the bill. They are further tools to upend the system.

    Adina Kutnicki, Israel http://adinakutnicki.com/about/

  • bluffcreek1967

    These people are the enemies within, determined to bring a mass of third-world invaders into our country so that they will vote for their Leftist agenda. This is partly why the plight of illegal immigrants is so important to them. But third-world illegal immigration, among other things, is destined to destroy America. I would like to think that this problem could be reversed, but I am not hopeful. With both the Democrats and Republicans on the amnesty bandwagon, it's just a matter of time before this evil deed is completed. The 'New America' has no place for borders, language and culture (i.e., traditional white American culture).

    see "Amnesty and GOP's Death Wish," http://www.ambrosekane.com

    • Sharon

      I agree totally. I've seen this for years. I don't know why anyone would want their children to go to our colleges the way they are now. Just propaganda and dirt towards the American way. A country that has given them everything, by the way.

    • mlcblog

      It is just chilling to note they have been at this basic undermining of our way of life for decades, seemingly without opposition.

  • Grantmann

    Athens is to Georgia what Austin is to Texas. These teachers ought to be fired. But if they're tenured, well, there's another problem right there.

    • reader

      Ha! Chances are that half of that crowd were a bunch of local "townies" anyway.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Eliminate Tenure for teachers.

      Why are Elementary, Junior and High School teachers a protected class?

      They should be subject to performance reviews and market forces like everyone else.

  • Longdrycreek

    Public education, as presently constituted, has decided to go out of business. The public is beginning to see the failure of American educaiton and is quietly doing home-schooling, charter schools, seeking vouchers or aid to avoid the pit of public education.
    The university-college bubble will break, because the cost and value and reward of 4 years is no longer there for a majority of the majors for students.
    I do not consider the "bleak" prospects of public educaiton as bad, but as a vote that the school is not to teach [think of teachrs] but as advocates [educators with a view] or indoctrination of students.

  • Lopez

    Well, comments before me, I can't be angry with any of you for being so ignorant. ('New America' what a joke! )It make take time for this amnesty to pass, but it will. I advise you to change your expectations, or you'll be disappointed.

    • bluffcreek1967

      Oh I see. In other words, you ignorant fools need to accept your racial and cultural displacement and the Mexican invasion that is occurring. Although we don't deny what is happening, we will never "accept" it. And yes, the old America has died, and we are now experiencing the new America. If you don't think so, you've failed to discern the sign of the times.

    • Drakken

      Import you 3rd worlders, we become the 3rd world, sorry, but my way of life is worth fighting for, you tresspass against us at your own peril.

    • RobinKed

      gee You wouldn't be one of those ILLEGALs looking to benefit….????–yes, thas what I thought….bite Me!!!

  • Lopez

    May*

  • Athens Liberal

    Man, this article really condemned these hard working teachers and students with its sweeping generalizations, multiple appeals to ignorance, singular words-as-quotations that are then re-attributed to fit the writer's agenda, and absolutely no actual first-person reporting on what goes on inside classrooms. I mean, if Hicks and Altman taught journalism, if they taught their kids to report and write this well, we'd have a media of biased internet bloggers whose political agendas aren't even tastefully mediated by their attempts to sound reasonable.

    A simple glance of this website reveals that it's nothing more than Tea Party agitprop disguised as legitimate journalism. I guess I can understand the desire to badmouth public educators and students in that sense – when the entire mainstream media has already called you out for effectively being the obnoxious other kid in the corner, the first line of defense is to point fingers at someone else. Oh look – teachers!

    Total garbage piece here. Don't want these guys to advocate for their students (or these students to advocate for themselves)? Perhaps you should elect people who will – or enact policies that don't set up the need for it.

    • reader

      "Don't want these guys to advocate for their students (or these students to advocate for themselves)?"

      You could rephrase this this way: Don't want these guys to advocate extortion from you? Because, this is what in essence what they advocate for. Nobody does. Even you don't.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Athens Moron,

      Hard working teachers? Some. Not all. They should be evaluated for performance and test results of their students. It's call ACCOUNTABILITY.

      Eliminate Tenure for teachers. They need to be treated like any other worker.

      People are unhappy with Public Schools because the teachers are NOT educating their students.

      • sushieq

        It's true; since teachers are culled from the same bunch of dumbed down college grads (and, academically, they're often the middle-of-the-roaders to boot), they most certainly are not ALL "hard working," and some are actually lazy and mean. And some are even perverts.

        However, teachers are not responsible for what or how they teach. The state (and now the feds, with the introduction of Common Core) is. There is a standard curriculum being rolled out across the country, thanks to textbook publishing company, Pearson, and the good folks at the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. This is one of those new-fangled public-private partnerships like the ones prisons now utilize…and how's that been working out?

        To break it down into the simplest terms possible, this is U.N. Agenda 21, the action plan to inventory and control all land, water, minerals, plants, animals, construction, means of production, information, energy, and all human beings in the world. INVENTORY AND CONTROL. Common Core is the implementation of a global curriculum in the US, from K-12 and beyond. Agenda 21 is the problem, everything else is just a symptom.

  • Jane

    There are no advocates for the poor whites who are not admitted to colleges and in their place there are illegal immigrants admitted. Then those in colleges see only rich whites (and some rich non-wites) and affirmative action wtudents. They don't know or relate to the largest group of poor Americans: poor whites…and as a result are predjudiced against that group. I have heard the trash work used against poor whites by college students and college educated.

    • Jane

      last line whould read "teh trash word" not the trash work…sorry

  • historyscoper

    Who cares about a few cute little illegal immigrants, everybody ought to adopt one. At least they are still dropping the ball on the Megamerge Dissolution Solution of annexing Mexico and making all Mexicans into U.S. citizens :)

  • Bill

    This is the fruit of the 1960s leftist movement. Just research the various groups in the 60's and you will
    understand what is going on in this case and in many other situations across the USA. Unfortunately,
    it was just mobs of dope smoking political leftist college students, with help from communist agitators back then. Now they are entrenched in social institutions and political organizations, and have college degrees, sometimes wearing suits and ties, instead of headbands and tie-dyed clothes.

    • Athens Liberal

      So what is your point?

      • Mary Sue

        the point is those people ruined Public Education.

      • Bill

        Here is my point:

        Whether it's education, open borders, or demanding illegals get the same rights as legal citizens, or massive gun control or running up the national debt to catastrophic proportions including Obamacare positioning citizens to be the medical wards of the stated or weakening
        the military or weakening the political position of the USA around the world, progressive leftists
        are ruining this country and subverting its principles, which is not only ruinous to the country itself
        at home, but jeopardizes the stability of the world at large, giving other powerful and less humanitarian regimes free rein to wreak havoc, as the USA recedes in influence.

    • Truth Seeker

      This collectivist corrosion of traditional USA values has been planned and financed by the evil bankster cabal that owns us. Research the work of Norman Dodd and Charlotte Iserbyt – including their videos online. The plans – documented by Dodd in the congressional records in 1953 – have been underway for a full century. The financial elite want to manage mankind like a livestock operation run by a profit seeking MBA. An American public with an educated and armed middle class has been their biggest hurdle, but they are patient, resourceful, and dedicated evil SOBs.

  • Bill

    The "entrenchment" and "brainwashing" of several generations happened while Americans slept and were lulled into apathy.
    Now we see their goal of revolution happening before our eyes, only it is not neccessarily mobs of protestors with clubs rioting in the streets, (although look at "Occupy"), but mainly progressive leftist community activists stiring up advocacy of lawlessness, leftist lawyers suing communities and all in the name of "human rights". But you only see these progressive leftists protesing against the USA and its institutions, never against truly barbaric regimes across the planet. You would think that that fact alone would wake Americans but they are more interested in who won on "Dancing with the Stars" and struggling to survive in the ever progressing new Socialist society we are living in.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Bill AKBAR!

  • sushieq

    Common Core is coming to California's colleges, and it's happening TODAY. Just Google (or Startpage) "California Bill Seeks Campus Credit for Online Study"; it will take you to a NYT article that reports that legislation is being introduced in the CA Senate to force state colleges and universities to give credit for third-party courses taken by students online. Who is backing this legislation? Why Pearson and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation (among others), of course!

    Common Core is simply the globalized standardization of education…aka Agenda 21. We need to passively resist by refusing to allow the state to "educate" our kids. We need to start thinking about alternate career paths that will not require a college degree (really, did college prepare YOU for your job? Mine didn't.). Unless we want to remain slaves to the state, this will have to start some time, so if you really want to prepare your children for their future, you might start thinking outside the box. I am.

  • RobinKed

    so this 'ATE' group comprised of a bunch of Very Liberal Indoctrinaters Aiding & Abetting ILLEGAL Criminals & being Paid with My Tax $dollars$………lovely………

  • Spider

    Prez Obama used an execuutive order to amnesty some illegals and
    also allows the rest of them to say "we will not comply" This
    means this administration refuses to follow federal law – the very
    laws they created.

    How about when he decides to confiscate Semi-auto rifles Then we reply
    in kind and also say "we will not comply" in return. If our own Government
    and illegal aliens refuse to comply with Federal Law why should anyone else?

  • Drakken

    NO bloody Amnesty period!!! Not now, not ever! Import the bloody 3rd world, become the 3rd world cesspit from whence they came, no thanks and shove the humanitarian garbage where the sun don't shine. These congress critters had better get right with the American public or the repercusions will be servere.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Humanitarian is good.

      Open Borders, pushed by the fascist left, are another way of destroying the US.

      What "socialist", "progressive" country has Open Borders?

      NONE.

  • Cathy

    Republicans are on Bill Ayers band wagon providing rights to illegal alliens!!! Does this not tell them something. If over 11 million Hispanics who entered the country illegally are provided benefits along with a pathway to citizenship … then logic dictates that a precident has been established. The next wave of illegal immigrants may be over 11 million illegal Muslims.

    Who Are the Gang Of 8 in Senate Immigration Debate?
    Jan. 30, 2013

    Sen. John McCain, R- Ariz.
    Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.
    Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz
    Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.
    Sen. Robert Menendez, D-N.J.
    Sen. Michael Bennet, D-Colo.
    Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill.
    Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla
    . http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/meet-gang-sen

    Rand Paul: GOP must ‘evolve’ on immigration
    1/31/13 6:20 AM EST
    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/paul-gop-ev

  • Ian Altman

    Dear Dr. Grabar,

    I normally do not engage in the commentary after online articles, as the arguments, if we can call them that, are usually undignified and pointless. In this case, however, since you have chosen to impugn my name and that of my friend and colleague Matt Hicks with seemingly willful misrepresentations of our work, I think it appropriate to respond.

    You write, “Altman talked about his plans to fly to Tucson with students for a ‘Greenfest’ for ‘Dreamers.’” That is almost pure fiction. I did speak of flying to Tucson, but not with any student and not for a “Greenfest” for “Dreamers.” I flew there with Matt Hicks two days after the presentation you saw to give a presentation at the University of Arizona’s College of Education Graduate Student Colloquy and to accept the Kenneth S. Goodman “In Defense of Good Teaching” Award, which Matt and I jointly won this year for our work with undocumented students. The award is “established to honor educators who have stood up to laws, policies, and practices that are threatening to students and teachers.”

    You seem to have confused that with another event that JoBeth Allen mentioned, the DREAMfest, which one of my American students is organizing in support of her peers who are undocumented and who wish to attend the top five universities in Georgia from which Board of Regents policy 4.1.6 currently bans them. DREAMfest is almost entirely the work of this student and a chosen group of student organizers. It is supported by the Bezos Family Foundation, with which the student won a fellowship last year that funded our trip to Colorado last summer to attend the Aspen Ideas Festival.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      "Undocumented"?

      A euphemism for Illegal Alien.

      Which countries have Open Borders and let anyone enter?

      Cuba? Russia? China?

      Your word play is transparent.

  • Ian Altman

    A “Greenfest” would seem to be concerned with environmental issues, and hence not connected with immigration issues. Since I have an email address on my school’s website, I wonder why you did not contact me to ask about the obvious discrepancy.

    I would have been happy to have a civil conversation about that and the other issues which concern you. You and I have had such discussions before, albeit briefly, when I took a course you taught at UGA. (You were very complimentary of a paper I wrote on T.S. Eliot’s “Tradition and the Individual Talent.”) We also had a few interactions when we took Philosophy 400 (Plato) together in the mid-90’s. I do not expect you to remember all of that, but it is worth mentioning because since you are concerned with education, curricula, and American culture, and since I know you from those other contexts to be intellectually sophisticated, it is strange to me that you would not seek clarification on a seemingly confusing point.

    You are correct that I am proud of the student who has a full academic scholarship to Syracuse. In the context of your article, however, your choice of the word “bragged” makes the mention of it an implied criticism without argument. I therefore ask, why should I not be happy for this student, and proud that I taught her and wrote one of the recommendation letters which helped her earn a scholarship worth more than $200,000 over four years? Because she is undocumented? I would be equally proud of any of my students for earning that.

    You are wholly incorrect to write that “speechwriting forms much of the assignments” in our classes. That claim is invented. Neither of us said it. We have helped a few students, and not only undocumented students, write speeches for various occasions, including the Athens Human Rights Festival and a few press conferences and a forum at UGA, but never as an assignment for our classes.

    Your characterization of what I think valuable to teach my students is grossly oversimplified and in some cases completely false. What I said at the ATE conference is that if all my students learn is the Common Core Standards, if they leave my class without any deeper understanding of themselves and their culture, then I might as well have been building robots in a factory. That is very much in line with the real use to which I put Faulkner’s Nobel Prize acceptance speech, as opposed to the use you wrongly attribute to me. Faulkner writes that his duty as a writer is to remind us that we have souls “capable of compassion and sacrifice and endurance.” We do not study great fiction merely to learn skills, as envisioned by the writers of the Common Core Standards. We study it to learn of the “old verities” of which Faulkner speaks, which exist far above any cultural or political squabble. Given your own learning, I do not understand why you would find that objectionable.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      A teachers primary job is to ensure that their students master the course work established by the Board of Education;

      Your politicizing the classroom is unethical.

  • Ian Altman

    You further misrepresent my words in claiming that I teach The Crucible as a lesson in empathy. I said that I teach Of Mice and Men as an exploration of the need for empathy in our society, as I believe that the tragedy of the ending of that book is in the inevitability of George’s loss of humanity to the naturalist world he inhabits, in the horrifying apotheosis of his final act of love for Lennie. What I said of The Crucible is that it has to do with integrity, as its protagonist refuses to live without that quality, and that I continue to explore the idea of integrity with several nonfiction readings on various political issues tangentially related to The Crucible.

    I “twist” none of these works, or the others you mention, into arguments against immigration laws. I use them to open students’ minds to the “old verities,” and having done so, pose questions for them to think and argue about, such as what exactly we find objectionable in offensive language, whether it makes sense to say there is a duty to be free, and what exactly should be the requirements for citizenship in our democracy. I believe issues such as these are far more important for them to deal with than the common, stale topics they are too often given in school, such as whether we should have school uniforms or allow gay marriage: topics which only ask them to create reasons to support what they already know or believe they know, to engage in “critical thinking” with a prophylactic, risking nothing of themselves.

    I do not use postmodern literary theory to justify any activism. That is another misrepresentation on your part. I use a postmodern analysis of our language and usage to open questions for students such as what we imply when we use legal (or legalistic) arguments to justify normative ethical claims, or more simply to ask whether it makes sense to say a person “is illegal.” Furthermore, I do this to highlight the importance of what I believe to be Enlightenment principles of justice and fair play. Despite the contrary claims of many postmodern theorists, I do not believe they are totally incompatible with those Enlightenment principles. (See in this connection the work of philosopher Stanley Rosen, who is quite critical of postmodernism, especially Hermeneutics as Politics and The Ancients and the Moderns: Rethinking Modernity.)

    You are correct to say that we help students with college admissions and scholarship application essays. Students bring us rough drafts, we read them and comment on them, they bring us second and third drafts, and we help them proofread. In most contexts, that is called writing instruction.

    I do believe that much anti-immigrant rhetoric comes from classism and racism, and about that we can quibble, but I see no reason to apologize for acknowledging it when a student comes to me after school in tears (for an “emotionally charged” advocacy session) because she just read somewhere that a Kansas state legislator joked that undocumented immigrants should be shot from helicopters like feral hogs.

    And about that citizen student who disagrees with me. First, I raise questions as I’ve described. I do not advertise my positions in my classroom. Second, I do not force any student to look at an undocumented student. What I said, exactly, is, “When I have a student staunch in his belief that undocumented immigrants should be treated like criminals, that student, if he has learned anything at all in my class, will not be able to look at the student next to him, who might well be undocumented, as a member of some abstract category of person against whom he has a political grudge. He will first and foremost view that student as a human being not fundamentally different from himself. That does not mean I expect him to change his political views.”

    I cannot and would not ever tell students which of their peers are undocumented. To do so would be to violate the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA). I often do not even know which students are undocumented. They have to tell me. I cannot ask because that would also violate FERPA. Your implications that I put students “on the spot” regarding this issue and that I have publicly stated students’ private information are utterly irresponsible.

  • Ian Altman

    You are correct that neither Matt nor I discussed the law. That is because we are not lawyers. Our co-panelist, Azadeh Shahshahani, who is a lawyer, began our session with a detailed history of the legislation. Perhaps you missed that part.

    Your final statement, that students who don’t like the way we do things, or who disagree with us, have no recourse, is simply false, as you could have learned if you had asked us about it while we were all in the room together. We make accommodations for all kinds of students, for all kinds of reasons, all the time.

    Indeed, you could have cleared up all kinds of misperceptions and misunderstandings, offered contravening interpretations of literature, and offered contrary arguments on the issue of undocumented immigrant students. We asked for questions and comments. As it was an academic conference, we were prepared for more discussion and argument, and did not desire just to preach to the choir. Instead, you sat there quietly judging and assuming the worst of us, either misapprehending our message or malevolently inventing ways to twist it to make us look like irresponsible hacks or idiots. And now you have chosen to try to humiliate us. It has not worked.

    Please, next time, do the responsible thing and open a real dialogue if you disagree, or at least state what you find objectionable while we are present. Believe it or not, we’d love to hear it.

    Kindest regards,

    Ian Altman

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      You misrepresent yourself.

      Students who disagree with you are in fear of receiving a poor grade.

      I'd like to see you in a real debate – with people who have facts to upset your world view.

  • jmz

    for kids brought here by their parents, YES i feel for them. but the problem still remains. they are the beneficiaries of an illegal act! we keep letting sob stories detract from our better judgement. I actually would be in favor of helping these kids get citizenship. but we MUST modify the constitution to make sure children of illegals born here are not citizens, punish companies who hire illegals as well as remove illegals from the welfare rolls. but this is MY country, my father was a LEGAL immigrant. thenly reason for this much illigal immigration is a take over/invasion

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Illegal Aliens work off the books and don't pay taxes.

      It's a Win for employers – who should be penalized to discourage them.

  • Cathy

    Will the real Marco Rubio please stand up!

    Marco Rubio, 2009:

    “I am strongly against amnesty. The most important thing we need to do is enforce our existing laws. We have existing immigration laws that are not being adequately enforced. Nothing will make it harder to enforce the existing laws, if you reward people who broke them. It demoralizes people who are going through the legal process, its a very clear signal of why go through the legal process, if you can accomplish the same thing if you go through the illegal process. And number two, if demoralizes the people enforcing the laws. I am not, and I will never support any effort to grant blanket legalization/amnesty to folks who have entered, stayed in this country illegally.”

    http://shark-tank.net/2013/01/28/marco-rubio-the-

    Marco Rubio, 2013:

    Sen. Marco Rubio’s immigration plan earned a measure of praise from the White House. And why not? It looks a lot like a White House plan from 2011.

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/16/3185077/rub

  • Cathy

    LTC Allen West on Illegal Immigration http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmn0mFV7xFs

  • Ghostwriter

    If I were a legal immigrant,I'd be steamed that people who are here illegally are treated better than those who are born here or came here legally.