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		<title>By: Harry Black</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/mary-grabar/get-ready-for-al-jazeera-america/comment-page-1/#comment-5262644</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harry Black]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2013 12:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh for Chrissake. Max Horkheimer-Theodor Adorno = Nora Ephron.  Go watch &quot;You&#039;ve Got Mail&quot; a few times. Even Frontpage, which shills for the Koch-ultra-right corporate agenda, isn&#039;t as corporation-friendly as Ephron&#039;s evil little film.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh for Chrissake. Max Horkheimer-Theodor Adorno = Nora Ephron.  Go watch &#8220;You&#8217;ve Got Mail&#8221; a few times. Even Frontpage, which shills for the Koch-ultra-right corporate agenda, isn&#8217;t as corporation-friendly as Ephron&#8217;s evil little film.</p>
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		<title>By: seewithyourowneyes</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/mary-grabar/get-ready-for-al-jazeera-america/comment-page-1/#comment-5262563</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[seewithyourowneyes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2013 09:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, please.  No intellectually honest person would deny that Cultural Marxism is an outgrowth of the Frankfurt School.  And do you deny that Max Horkheimer, a founder of the Frankfurt School, first defined Critical Theory in his 1937 essay, &quot;Traditional and Critical Theory?&quot;   Horkheimer&#039;s Critical Theory is &quot;a theory oriented towards changing society, rather than understanding it.&quot;  Similarly, Karl Marx complained that &quot;Philosophers have only interpreted the world; the point is to change it.&quot;
Couple the attack on rationality made by Horkheimer and Adorno in &quot;Dialectic of Enlightenment&quot; with the attack on truth made by postmodern Critical Theory&#039;s assertion that it is impossible to make &quot;an objective depiction of a stable other,&quot;  and what do you get?  You get Nora Ephron sneering at her earlier notion that a journalist should pursue the truth when political correctness is soooo much more important.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, please.  No intellectually honest person would deny that Cultural Marxism is an outgrowth of the Frankfurt School.  And do you deny that Max Horkheimer, a founder of the Frankfurt School, first defined Critical Theory in his 1937 essay, &#8220;Traditional and Critical Theory?&#8221;   Horkheimer&#8217;s Critical Theory is &#8220;a theory oriented towards changing society, rather than understanding it.&#8221;  Similarly, Karl Marx complained that &#8220;Philosophers have only interpreted the world; the point is to change it.&#8221;<br />
Couple the attack on rationality made by Horkheimer and Adorno in &#8220;Dialectic of Enlightenment&#8221; with the attack on truth made by postmodern Critical Theory&#8217;s assertion that it is impossible to make &#8220;an objective depiction of a stable other,&#8221;  and what do you get?  You get Nora Ephron sneering at her earlier notion that a journalist should pursue the truth when political correctness is soooo much more important.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Black</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harry Black]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m very well aware of what cultural Marxism is, and what you&#039;re calling &quot;cultural Marxism&quot; has nothing to do with the Frankfurt School.  In fact, you have no idea what you&#039;re talking about. Get back to me in two or three years once you&#039;ve actually read Adorno and Horkheimer&#039;s Dialectic of Authenticity, and Adorno&#039;s Minima Moralia, Jargon of Authenticity, and Aesthetics.  Until then, spare me the insane rightwing paranoia that sees everything in terms of a left wing &quot;Marxist&quot; conspiracy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very well aware of what cultural Marxism is, and what you&#8217;re calling &#8220;cultural Marxism&#8221; has nothing to do with the Frankfurt School.  In fact, you have no idea what you&#8217;re talking about. Get back to me in two or three years once you&#8217;ve actually read Adorno and Horkheimer&#8217;s Dialectic of Authenticity, and Adorno&#8217;s Minima Moralia, Jargon of Authenticity, and Aesthetics.  Until then, spare me the insane rightwing paranoia that sees everything in terms of a left wing &#8220;Marxist&#8221; conspiracy.</p>
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		<title>By: seewithyourowneyes</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/mary-grabar/get-ready-for-al-jazeera-america/comment-page-1/#comment-5261303</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[seewithyourowneyes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps you should look up the definition of &quot;cultural Marxism.&quot;  Then look at textbooks from any college and most high schools.  You will find that &quot;critical theory,&quot;(i.e. the teachings of the Frankfurt School who created cultural Marxism), is taught approvingly - and not only as a separate course, but also as the lens through which most other humanities courses are taught..  
As for Nora Ephron, I enjoy her movies very much.  But can you seriously believe, as she does, that journalism should reject the ideal of pursuing truth?  If so, it is you who&#039;ve lost your mind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps you should look up the definition of &#8220;cultural Marxism.&#8221;  Then look at textbooks from any college and most high schools.  You will find that &#8220;critical theory,&#8221;(i.e. the teachings of the Frankfurt School who created cultural Marxism), is taught approvingly &#8211; and not only as a separate course, but also as the lens through which most other humanities courses are taught..<br />
As for Nora Ephron, I enjoy her movies very much.  But can you seriously believe, as she does, that journalism should reject the ideal of pursuing truth?  If so, it is you who&#8217;ve lost your mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Black</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harry Black]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2013 01:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nora Ephron a &quot;cultural Marxist.&quot; Have you lost your !@#$%^&amp; mind? No, don&#039;t answer that. I don&#039;t want to know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nora Ephron a &#8220;cultural Marxist.&#8221; Have you lost your !@#$%^&amp; mind? No, don&#8217;t answer that. I don&#8217;t want to know.</p>
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		<title>By: defcon 4</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[defcon 4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jimmeh Carter. The Cllintonistas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimmeh Carter. The Cllintonistas.</p>
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		<title>By: bluffcreek1967</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bluffcreek1967]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2013 22:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh great! The wretched muslims have destroyed our twin towers on 9/11, bombed our Boston marathon, tried countless other times to wreck havoc on our citizens, manipulated our government officials to gain sympathy for special rights, trying their best to flood our nation with even more muslims, planning a million muslim march in DC, and now they&#039;ve established their own news network within our land. 


How much more of this can we take? I suggest we start looking at muslims as our enemies because they have surely declared themselves openly to be such. We must stop all future muslim immigration, deport all muslims who are already here, and socially ostracize every one of them who remain. They have become our enemies now, and we must learn to think differently about them. We need to act quickly because there is time coming when we will wish we should have acted sooner. It&#039;s time to fight.     


&quot;Stacey Dooley: Courageous But Still Naive,&quot; www.ambrosekane.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh great! The wretched muslims have destroyed our twin towers on 9/11, bombed our Boston marathon, tried countless other times to wreck havoc on our citizens, manipulated our government officials to gain sympathy for special rights, trying their best to flood our nation with even more muslims, planning a million muslim march in DC, and now they&#8217;ve established their own news network within our land. </p>
<p>How much more of this can we take? I suggest we start looking at muslims as our enemies because they have surely declared themselves openly to be such. We must stop all future muslim immigration, deport all muslims who are already here, and socially ostracize every one of them who remain. They have become our enemies now, and we must learn to think differently about them. We need to act quickly because there is time coming when we will wish we should have acted sooner. It&#8217;s time to fight.     </p>
<p>&#8220;Stacey Dooley: Courageous But Still Naive,&#8221; <a href="http://www.ambrosekane.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ambrosekane.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Omar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Omar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2013 21:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is there some way that we could organize a protest with Dish Network and have them drop Current TV as it turns over to Terror TV.  If enough act Charlie will drop the network.  He should make it a &quot;Pay&quot; service then people could decide on their own.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there some way that we could organize a protest with Dish Network and have them drop Current TV as it turns over to Terror TV.  If enough act Charlie will drop the network.  He should make it a &#8220;Pay&#8221; service then people could decide on their own.</p>
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		<title>By: seewithyourowneyes</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/mary-grabar/get-ready-for-al-jazeera-america/comment-page-1/#comment-5260665</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[seewithyourowneyes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2013 21:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I recently read a piece in the New Yorker magazine about famous screenwriter Nora Ephron.  Apparently, Nora had been a journalist before she became a screenwriter.  There&#039;s one bit where she reminisces about the excitement of being a journalist in her youth, but she does not neglect her p.c. duty to laugh at younger self and to sneer at the bygone notion of pursuing the &quot;truth.&quot;
Welcome to the brave new world where the only reportable facts are those which fit the Cultural Marxist narrative.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently read a piece in the New Yorker magazine about famous screenwriter Nora Ephron.  Apparently, Nora had been a journalist before she became a screenwriter.  There&#8217;s one bit where she reminisces about the excitement of being a journalist in her youth, but she does not neglect her p.c. duty to laugh at younger self and to sneer at the bygone notion of pursuing the &#8220;truth.&#8221;<br />
Welcome to the brave new world where the only reportable facts are those which fit the Cultural Marxist narrative.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs_Snoopington</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mrs_Snoopington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2013 21:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well this channel will be porn for disaffected youth that do not own an alternative to a television.  We&#039;re blocking it.  Yet, we won&#039;t be free completely from their news:  I&#039;m sure Limbaugh, Hannity et al. will be playing outrageous soundbites for us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well this channel will be porn for disaffected youth that do not own an alternative to a television.  We&#8217;re blocking it.  Yet, we won&#8217;t be free completely from their news:  I&#8217;m sure Limbaugh, Hannity et al. will be playing outrageous soundbites for us.</p>
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		<title>By: antioli</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[antioli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2013 20:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They will be preaching to choir.
The real Propagandist for extremism is the Big Media.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They will be preaching to choir.<br />
The real Propagandist for extremism is the Big Media.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2013 20:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[al jazeera is the propaganda wing of the muslim brotherhood and the legacy of joseph goebbels.  It seeks to destroy American democracy and western civilization no less than communism and fascism. At least, we can still turn it off and cancel any cable service that provides al jazeera&#039;s lies and distortions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>al jazeera is the propaganda wing of the muslim brotherhood and the legacy of joseph goebbels.  It seeks to destroy American democracy and western civilization no less than communism and fascism. At least, we can still turn it off and cancel any cable service that provides al jazeera&#8217;s lies and distortions.</p>
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		<title>By: tokoloshiman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tokoloshiman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[as if more ultra left media was needed , it already swamps all other thought and nullifies any reasoned arguments or attempts to investigate facts.
this travesty is akin to inviting a known pedophile into your home to baby sit your young children while you go on an ideological mission to learn more about crime prevention...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as if more ultra left media was needed , it already swamps all other thought and nullifies any reasoned arguments or attempts to investigate facts.<br />
this travesty is akin to inviting a known pedophile into your home to baby sit your young children while you go on an ideological mission to learn more about crime prevention&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ObamaYoMoma</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ObamaYoMoma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2013 17:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Al Jazeeera America is jihad in America. Indeed, it&#039;s stealth and deceptive non-violent jihad in one of its many forms, as Islam is not only waging a &quot;holy war&quot;, i.e., a jihad, against the tiny infidel state of Israel, but it is also waging a jihad against all religions and all infidels around the world simultaneously, as the sole fundamental purpose of Islam is the subjugation of all religions and all infidels into Islamic totalitarianism through jihad and the eventual imposition of Sharia, which is Islamic totalitarian law. Of course, there are no bullets flying and no bombs detonating, but it is jihad nonetheless. In this case, non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad.

As a matter of fact, it&#039;s in effect a Cold War very similar to the previous one we fought against Communism, but this time around our politicians and our elites are totally unaware and incompetent. Indeed, according to our politicians and elites, if it isn&#039;t construed as being violent, then it isn&#039;t construed as being terrorism, and therefore it isn&#039;t opposed. Nevertheless, it is jihad nonetheless just as much as the 9/11 jihad attacks were jihad as well, as jihad, in stark contrast to terrorism, which is always and only violent, is both violent and non-violent, but overall astronomically far more non-violent relative to violent. It is also waged only by Muslims alone, unlike terrorism, which is a manifestation of all societies and cultures, and jihad is always and only in the cause of Allah for the expansion of Islam. While terrorism, on the other hand, is perpetrated for all kinds of various political causes unrelated to the expansion of Islam and always and only by non-Muslim infidels.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al Jazeeera America is jihad in America. Indeed, it&#8217;s stealth and deceptive non-violent jihad in one of its many forms, as Islam is not only waging a &#8220;holy war&#8221;, i.e., a jihad, against the tiny infidel state of Israel, but it is also waging a jihad against all religions and all infidels around the world simultaneously, as the sole fundamental purpose of Islam is the subjugation of all religions and all infidels into Islamic totalitarianism through jihad and the eventual imposition of Sharia, which is Islamic totalitarian law. Of course, there are no bullets flying and no bombs detonating, but it is jihad nonetheless. In this case, non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad.</p>
<p>As a matter of fact, it&#8217;s in effect a Cold War very similar to the previous one we fought against Communism, but this time around our politicians and our elites are totally unaware and incompetent. Indeed, according to our politicians and elites, if it isn&#8217;t construed as being violent, then it isn&#8217;t construed as being terrorism, and therefore it isn&#8217;t opposed. Nevertheless, it is jihad nonetheless just as much as the 9/11 jihad attacks were jihad as well, as jihad, in stark contrast to terrorism, which is always and only violent, is both violent and non-violent, but overall astronomically far more non-violent relative to violent. It is also waged only by Muslims alone, unlike terrorism, which is a manifestation of all societies and cultures, and jihad is always and only in the cause of Allah for the expansion of Islam. While terrorism, on the other hand, is perpetrated for all kinds of various political causes unrelated to the expansion of Islam and always and only by non-Muslim infidels.</p>
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		<title>By: flyingtiger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[flyingtiger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2013 16:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do not see any difference between Al Jazeera and the Chicago Tribune.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not see any difference between Al Jazeera and the Chicago Tribune.</p>
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		<title>By: John Davidson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Davidson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The socialists are spending a lot of money destroying our way of life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The socialists are spending a lot of money destroying our way of life.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank Rearden</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hank Rearden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2013 14:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Was there ever a bigger sell-out than Al Gore?  They should name a prize after him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was there ever a bigger sell-out than Al Gore?  They should name a prize after him.</p>
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		<title>By: TheOrdinaryMan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TheOrdinaryMan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2013 12:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The reason that Youmans is teaching at GWU is that the SEIU is running the show.
SEIU--Service Employees International Union--is, I believe, a Communist front group. Teachers can&#039;t be censored or fired for infecting the minds of students(Is this what is called &quot;Winning hearts and minds?&quot;) with moral equivalence and outright lies. This is because most teachers at GWU are dues-paying members of the SEIU; which offered them protection from administrative censoring and peer criticism. Youmans&#039; arguments could  have been easily refuted, but I didn&#039;t hear anyone question him. This is what passes for education at GWU these days; and I might add, at an annual tuition cost, per student, of $45,000.  Al-Jazeera? Their videos mostly feature good-looking female reporters, with syrupy-smooth voices, saying things like, &quot;Can&#039;t we all just get along?&quot; Don&#039;t swallow it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason that Youmans is teaching at GWU is that the SEIU is running the show.<br />
SEIU&#8211;Service Employees International Union&#8211;is, I believe, a Communist front group. Teachers can&#8217;t be censored or fired for infecting the minds of students(Is this what is called &#8220;Winning hearts and minds?&#8221;) with moral equivalence and outright lies. This is because most teachers at GWU are dues-paying members of the SEIU; which offered them protection from administrative censoring and peer criticism. Youmans&#8217; arguments could  have been easily refuted, but I didn&#8217;t hear anyone question him. This is what passes for education at GWU these days; and I might add, at an annual tuition cost, per student, of $45,000.  Al-Jazeera? Their videos mostly feature good-looking female reporters, with syrupy-smooth voices, saying things like, &#8220;Can&#8217;t we all just get along?&#8221; Don&#8217;t swallow it.</p>
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		<title>By: Chezwick</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chezwick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not happy the propaganda arm of the Muslim Brotherhood is here, but how can it possibly be any worse than MSNBC?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not happy the propaganda arm of the Muslim Brotherhood is here, but how can it possibly be any worse than MSNBC?</p>
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