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	<title>Comments on: Rubio: No Friend to Immigrants and the Working Class</title>
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		<title>By: Ron Lewenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Lewenberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Sep 2013 05:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I grew up in and live in the Upper East Side of Manhattan one of the five richest areas in the country. I summered in East Hampton. I grew up in an among the upper middle class, the noveau riche, and old money both WASP and Knickerbocker. I went to Buckley, Collegiate, and Columbia. Don&#039;t presume that my positions come from any personal grievance or jealousy. I&#039;m not hiding anything. This is my real name.

Because of my background, I understand the pretenses and shibboleths of the transnational class and those who wish to join them. Chief among these is allegiance to this class and proof of it with oikophobia. But by all means, Don, try to boast your own status by presuming my ignorance or showing contempt for Americans who love this country. 

“I agree with many of your points surrounding employment law. The government should stay away from involving itself in the employer/employee relationship. This is what is at the core of this immigration debate. “

No, the core of the immigration debates are three points: 
1. The right of sovereign people to decide immigration policy on the basis of national interest
2. The continuation of our mores, shared history, political culture, and common culture
3. Whether those who make these decisions will have to listen to the American people, or an elite who have fewer and fewer ties to the nation

This is not just an employment question. It is the national question. And your answer seems to be that the nation is an irrelevant construct.

“I find it interesting that the words you use such as
&quot;socialist, corporatist, plutacracy&quot; are all words used by
Stalinist Communist to describe their enemies. “

Communists will use many terms. But they don&#039;t use the terms “liberty”, “common culture”, or “free market”. The
Communist Manifesto called for the proletariat of all countries to unite. And it is therefor no surprise that Marxists are anti-Nationalist. That Stalin appropriated nationalism as a temporary ploy means absolutely nothing about nationalism. That communists
attacked other socialists says nothing about opposition to socialism. Libertarians oppose corporatism too. Or do you not know what the word means?

“I do not think you can show any example that the Republican Party has ever been the party of Nationalism either. We have always sought open, free market economies without goverment intervention
into our labor practices. “

Good lord, son. Do the research. I won&#039;t debate fools, historical illiterates and children. The GOP is the sucessor to the National Republican Party, ie the Whig Party. Tariffs and internal projects were part of its platform for the better part of a century. For two 
generations after the Civil War, the GOP used the “bloody shirt” of the civil war. It is the party of middle America and nationalism and has been since it was started.  But the free market and restricting immigration go hand in had. It is no accident that Harding and Coolidge, two the three greatest free market presidents
of the last century, restricted immigration. And what followed was the roaring 20s.

“As the government, it is an extension of the citezen this would be directed at you also. You fault Government but on the other hand want to use Government to restrict a business owner from engaging in Business if it does not conform to YOUR philosophical leanings. ”

Piteous pablum. I am a native borne citizen and my parents are naturalized citizens. You may as well claim that the state preventing parents forcing their children into child prostitution means that I cannot sell goods. The survival of the nation is not a philosophical
leaning. It is your birthright and duty to protect. That you would import future socialists to reduce wages and elect more socialists create more legalized theft in the long run, as you hope to gain quarterly is prima facea evidence of a mental illness posing as a sophmoric philosophy.
Atlas Shrugged is poor literature and the rants of a woman decided that her social engineering, though unable to keep a movement together, should some how become the basis of a new society. Rand was a cheap Rousseau.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in and live in the Upper East Side of Manhattan one of the five richest areas in the country. I summered in East Hampton. I grew up in an among the upper middle class, the noveau riche, and old money both WASP and Knickerbocker. I went to Buckley, Collegiate, and Columbia. Don&#8217;t presume that my positions come from any personal grievance or jealousy. I&#8217;m not hiding anything. This is my real name.</p>
<p>Because of my background, I understand the pretenses and shibboleths of the transnational class and those who wish to join them. Chief among these is allegiance to this class and proof of it with oikophobia. But by all means, Don, try to boast your own status by presuming my ignorance or showing contempt for Americans who love this country. </p>
<p>“I agree with many of your points surrounding employment law. The government should stay away from involving itself in the employer/employee relationship. This is what is at the core of this immigration debate. “</p>
<p>No, the core of the immigration debates are three points:<br />
1. The right of sovereign people to decide immigration policy on the basis of national interest<br />
2. The continuation of our mores, shared history, political culture, and common culture<br />
3. Whether those who make these decisions will have to listen to the American people, or an elite who have fewer and fewer ties to the nation</p>
<p>This is not just an employment question. It is the national question. And your answer seems to be that the nation is an irrelevant construct.</p>
<p>“I find it interesting that the words you use such as<br />
&#8220;socialist, corporatist, plutacracy&#8221; are all words used by<br />
Stalinist Communist to describe their enemies. “</p>
<p>Communists will use many terms. But they don&#8217;t use the terms “liberty”, “common culture”, or “free market”. The<br />
Communist Manifesto called for the proletariat of all countries to unite. And it is therefor no surprise that Marxists are anti-Nationalist. That Stalin appropriated nationalism as a temporary ploy means absolutely nothing about nationalism. That communists<br />
attacked other socialists says nothing about opposition to socialism. Libertarians oppose corporatism too. Or do you not know what the word means?</p>
<p>“I do not think you can show any example that the Republican Party has ever been the party of Nationalism either. We have always sought open, free market economies without goverment intervention<br />
into our labor practices. “</p>
<p>Good lord, son. Do the research. I won&#8217;t debate fools, historical illiterates and children. The GOP is the sucessor to the National Republican Party, ie the Whig Party. Tariffs and internal projects were part of its platform for the better part of a century. For two<br />
generations after the Civil War, the GOP used the “bloody shirt” of the civil war. It is the party of middle America and nationalism and has been since it was started.  But the free market and restricting immigration go hand in had. It is no accident that Harding and Coolidge, two the three greatest free market presidents<br />
of the last century, restricted immigration. And what followed was the roaring 20s.</p>
<p>“As the government, it is an extension of the citezen this would be directed at you also. You fault Government but on the other hand want to use Government to restrict a business owner from engaging in Business if it does not conform to YOUR philosophical leanings. ”</p>
<p>Piteous pablum. I am a native borne citizen and my parents are naturalized citizens. You may as well claim that the state preventing parents forcing their children into child prostitution means that I cannot sell goods. The survival of the nation is not a philosophical<br />
leaning. It is your birthright and duty to protect. That you would import future socialists to reduce wages and elect more socialists create more legalized theft in the long run, as you hope to gain quarterly is prima facea evidence of a mental illness posing as a sophmoric philosophy.<br />
Atlas Shrugged is poor literature and the rants of a woman decided that her social engineering, though unable to keep a movement together, should some how become the basis of a new society. Rand was a cheap Rousseau.</p>
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		<title>By: donny1020</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[donny1020]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2013 22:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I was pointing out was that President Barack Hussein Obama actually taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago, and had the title of Professor. This infers a certain level of expertise. If you do have that level of expertise also that would simply be something you both have in common.

I am still curios how you define the term you used, &quot;Conservative Constitutionalists&quot; and what your background is in Constitutional Law? For all I know you have argued cases in front of SCOTUS or maybe in front of the Piggly Wiggly?

I don&#039;t believe it is presumptuous to question their knowledge base when someone asserts they have some level of knowledge in a specific field of law, specifically Constitutional Law.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I was pointing out was that President Barack Hussein Obama actually taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago, and had the title of Professor. This infers a certain level of expertise. If you do have that level of expertise also that would simply be something you both have in common.</p>
<p>I am still curios how you define the term you used, &#8220;Conservative Constitutionalists&#8221; and what your background is in Constitutional Law? For all I know you have argued cases in front of SCOTUS or maybe in front of the Piggly Wiggly?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe it is presumptuous to question their knowledge base when someone asserts they have some level of knowledge in a specific field of law, specifically Constitutional Law.</p>
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		<title>By: donny1020</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[donny1020]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2013 21:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tina, this goes to the core of my argument. Why are you a Republican? The Republican Party is the Party of business not the party of white, blue collar workers and public employees who are frightened of competition. The Republican Party is the Party that freed the slaves. Part of the reason why Republicans were anti-slavery was that they understood it would be impossible for manufactures in the North who had employees to compete with someone who operated a manufacturing plant in the South using chattel labor. From its inception the Republican Party has been the party of business.

The Republican Party does not need you, we need those Americans who believe in personal responsibility, personal freedom, free enterprise, free market capitalism, and the rights of a business owner to run his/her business as they see fit without interference from a mob of undereducated and frightened and bigoted folks. You frighten away potential Republican Party members, who by the way in ten years will vastly outnumber you. If the Republican Party is to remain a relevant voice we must attract more like minded people. The Southern Strategy helped us tremendously in the past several decades but its life cycle is now over. There is a new reality and we must adjust, adapt, and capitalize on those changes. We must always move forward, looking towards the future rather than pining over the past.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tina, this goes to the core of my argument. Why are you a Republican? The Republican Party is the Party of business not the party of white, blue collar workers and public employees who are frightened of competition. The Republican Party is the Party that freed the slaves. Part of the reason why Republicans were anti-slavery was that they understood it would be impossible for manufactures in the North who had employees to compete with someone who operated a manufacturing plant in the South using chattel labor. From its inception the Republican Party has been the party of business.</p>
<p>The Republican Party does not need you, we need those Americans who believe in personal responsibility, personal freedom, free enterprise, free market capitalism, and the rights of a business owner to run his/her business as they see fit without interference from a mob of undereducated and frightened and bigoted folks. You frighten away potential Republican Party members, who by the way in ten years will vastly outnumber you. If the Republican Party is to remain a relevant voice we must attract more like minded people. The Southern Strategy helped us tremendously in the past several decades but its life cycle is now over. There is a new reality and we must adjust, adapt, and capitalize on those changes. We must always move forward, looking towards the future rather than pining over the past.</p>
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		<title>By: donny1020</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[donny1020]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2013 21:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Insinuations? Did you take the time to follow Bluff&#039;s suggested link, &quot;&quot;What Mexicans Bring,&quot; www.ambrosekane.com&quot;, did you look at other comments he has made?


Again, I am here debating another Public Employee who believes they know anything about business or the Republican Party. I have employed former Public employees and what we have come to realize is the reason most are no longer public employees is because they lack even the barest of skills and motivation to work in the private sector. Without a Union to protect them they would have been laid off much sooner. We have also found that the absolute worst were the group of Public employees who were not Union members but expect the public employee&#039;s Union to protect them.


As far as section 8, I have a friend who is the aerospace industry but also has several Section 8 properties and he claims that it is that program where he derives his highest profit lines. The rest of your points appear to be more of a claim that you are over worked and under paid. This is typical coming from from Public employee.

I see a broader abuse in the construction of publicly financed low income housing where Public Agencies knowingly hire contractors that exploit undocumented workers so that they can get their per unit cost down and so that the contractors they hire have larger profit lines. Anyone who has had contact with Public employees involved in low income housing knows they usually use their positions to then work for these same developers. They then use their contacts to secure publicly financed contracts.

What do you really know about the difficulties in operating a manufacturing facility in the United States? Tell me why a consumers like yourself will walk right past an American made product to save 10% on a product that you know was made by people earning under $10 a day and then want to prohibit US manufactures from accessing labor at global pricing? I can guarantee you that what ever wage we come up with will be higher then $10 a day.

The main concept I have heard from &quot;Pay Check&quot; Republicans is Mexicans will out number us. Guess what, business owners do not care if you feel threatened by people with brown skin. We view them as potential customers and have zero problem selling goods to them, especially when so many people who are currently Americans refuse to purchase and support products made in the United States simply because they want their goods so cheap that nobody in the Western Hemisphere could actually hire employees and pay them what is possible in Bangladesh, Viet Nam, Burma, India, Pakistan, China or Taiwan. It is the American consumer who is pushing manufactures to demand access to the global labor market not the manufacture.

Right now when you read this, be honest and where is your shoes, underwear, pants, shirt, glasses made at? You as an American consumer turned your back on the American production worker and then want to blame the business owner for something you did. You want to stop the business owner from making a living simply because you can not come to grasp with the fact that America has a changing demographic and native born Caucasians will be in the minority within two decades. This is simply a reality and you cannot stop it. As a business owner I see this as an opportunity to sell my goods. You see it as a threat.

If American manufactures were allowed to access this labor market it may not produce an increase in jobs for US citizens within the production field but manufacturing is much larger than that single aspect. If Americans want those other jobs they will be forced to exersise some personal responsibility and compeate for those jobs just like manufactures must compeate for customers. This is capitolism. Look at what the South does, big tax breaks, free real estate, guarantee a supply of under valued labor, even in some instances build the facility and garuntee there will not be any Union organizing at the facility. If I was the Governor of a rust belt State I sure wouldn&#039;t find that fair at all. But, hey, that&#039;s capitalism.

You want Uncle Sugar to protect you from people who are willing to give up everything and cross our borders in the dark of the night through deadly conditions in a desert simply for the chance to earn a better livening and then you tell me I shouldn&#039;t be able to hire them that I must hire an overweight middle aged white guy with an authority complex.. Americans for the most part aren&#039;t even willing to get out of the couch to change the channel on their TV.

Your argument is the exact same argument put forward by Unions which had a major presence in the Great Lakes Region  20 years ago who are now seeing their jobs move to the South. Do you believe companies move to the South because it&#039;s nicer there, or that people are smarter there, better educated there or healthier there? They relocate to take advantage of cheap, controllable labor.

All we are saying is lets extend that zone further South and allow these workers to freely come to the United States to work. Prior to 1963 this was permissible. Why not now? Why should I have to fight people from within my own political party on this issue simply because they have issues with people who aren&#039;t white?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insinuations? Did you take the time to follow Bluff&#8217;s suggested link, &#8220;&#8221;What Mexicans Bring,&#8221; <a href="http://www.ambrosekane.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ambrosekane.com</a>&#8220;, did you look at other comments he has made?</p>
<p>Again, I am here debating another Public Employee who believes they know anything about business or the Republican Party. I have employed former Public employees and what we have come to realize is the reason most are no longer public employees is because they lack even the barest of skills and motivation to work in the private sector. Without a Union to protect them they would have been laid off much sooner. We have also found that the absolute worst were the group of Public employees who were not Union members but expect the public employee&#8217;s Union to protect them.</p>
<p>As far as section 8, I have a friend who is the aerospace industry but also has several Section 8 properties and he claims that it is that program where he derives his highest profit lines. The rest of your points appear to be more of a claim that you are over worked and under paid. This is typical coming from from Public employee.</p>
<p>I see a broader abuse in the construction of publicly financed low income housing where Public Agencies knowingly hire contractors that exploit undocumented workers so that they can get their per unit cost down and so that the contractors they hire have larger profit lines. Anyone who has had contact with Public employees involved in low income housing knows they usually use their positions to then work for these same developers. They then use their contacts to secure publicly financed contracts.</p>
<p>What do you really know about the difficulties in operating a manufacturing facility in the United States? Tell me why a consumers like yourself will walk right past an American made product to save 10% on a product that you know was made by people earning under $10 a day and then want to prohibit US manufactures from accessing labor at global pricing? I can guarantee you that what ever wage we come up with will be higher then $10 a day.</p>
<p>The main concept I have heard from &#8220;Pay Check&#8221; Republicans is Mexicans will out number us. Guess what, business owners do not care if you feel threatened by people with brown skin. We view them as potential customers and have zero problem selling goods to them, especially when so many people who are currently Americans refuse to purchase and support products made in the United States simply because they want their goods so cheap that nobody in the Western Hemisphere could actually hire employees and pay them what is possible in Bangladesh, Viet Nam, Burma, India, Pakistan, China or Taiwan. It is the American consumer who is pushing manufactures to demand access to the global labor market not the manufacture.</p>
<p>Right now when you read this, be honest and where is your shoes, underwear, pants, shirt, glasses made at? You as an American consumer turned your back on the American production worker and then want to blame the business owner for something you did. You want to stop the business owner from making a living simply because you can not come to grasp with the fact that America has a changing demographic and native born Caucasians will be in the minority within two decades. This is simply a reality and you cannot stop it. As a business owner I see this as an opportunity to sell my goods. You see it as a threat.</p>
<p>If American manufactures were allowed to access this labor market it may not produce an increase in jobs for US citizens within the production field but manufacturing is much larger than that single aspect. If Americans want those other jobs they will be forced to exersise some personal responsibility and compeate for those jobs just like manufactures must compeate for customers. This is capitolism. Look at what the South does, big tax breaks, free real estate, guarantee a supply of under valued labor, even in some instances build the facility and garuntee there will not be any Union organizing at the facility. If I was the Governor of a rust belt State I sure wouldn&#8217;t find that fair at all. But, hey, that&#8217;s capitalism.</p>
<p>You want Uncle Sugar to protect you from people who are willing to give up everything and cross our borders in the dark of the night through deadly conditions in a desert simply for the chance to earn a better livening and then you tell me I shouldn&#8217;t be able to hire them that I must hire an overweight middle aged white guy with an authority complex.. Americans for the most part aren&#8217;t even willing to get out of the couch to change the channel on their TV.</p>
<p>Your argument is the exact same argument put forward by Unions which had a major presence in the Great Lakes Region  20 years ago who are now seeing their jobs move to the South. Do you believe companies move to the South because it&#8217;s nicer there, or that people are smarter there, better educated there or healthier there? They relocate to take advantage of cheap, controllable labor.</p>
<p>All we are saying is lets extend that zone further South and allow these workers to freely come to the United States to work. Prior to 1963 this was permissible. Why not now? Why should I have to fight people from within my own political party on this issue simply because they have issues with people who aren&#8217;t white?</p>
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		<title>By: Tina Trent</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tina Trent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2013 13:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If  you are going to keep hammering away with claims of being such a business mogul, you should man up and tell us your name.  

Then we can see if you&#039;re perpetrating fraud by employing illegal immigrants.

And we can check your noble Chamber friends, too.  I was recently told by a CoC farmer that she wishes she didn&#039;t have to employ illegals.  I have no sympathy -- I&#039;m paying the welfare for those families while she rolls in cash by lying about her payroll.

The worst welfare queens are the business owners who engage in this behavior.  So if I&#039;m subsidizing your cadillac while listening to your whining about your imagined independence, I want to know it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If  you are going to keep hammering away with claims of being such a business mogul, you should man up and tell us your name.  </p>
<p>Then we can see if you&#8217;re perpetrating fraud by employing illegal immigrants.</p>
<p>And we can check your noble Chamber friends, too.  I was recently told by a CoC farmer that she wishes she didn&#8217;t have to employ illegals.  I have no sympathy &#8212; I&#8217;m paying the welfare for those families while she rolls in cash by lying about her payroll.</p>
<p>The worst welfare queens are the business owners who engage in this behavior.  So if I&#8217;m subsidizing your cadillac while listening to your whining about your imagined independence, I want to know it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina Trent</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tina Trent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2013 13:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks for your honorable service and wise words--this troll doesn&#039;t deserve consideration.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for your honorable service and wise words&#8211;this troll doesn&#8217;t deserve consideration.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina Trent</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tina Trent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2013 13:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can the insinuations of racism and spare me the brag about your roots if you wish  to talk facts.

If we did not have a welfare state then your inane comments about your freedom to break laws by employing people who are here unlawfully would be less inane.  But since illegal immigrants -- and I worked in social services and saw this -- are virtually all taking more out of the system than they and their employers are putting in, through EITC, Section 8, medicaid and about three dozen other programs, not to mention the strains on schools, hospitals and prisons, then you are robbing from me and every other hard-working taxpayer if you choose to employ lawbreakers.

Do you not respect the law?  Do you not comprehend reality?  I couldn&#039;t care less what you speak at home, I care about what you&#039;re taking from mypaycheck to game the system while prattling incontinently about freedom.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can the insinuations of racism and spare me the brag about your roots if you wish  to talk facts.</p>
<p>If we did not have a welfare state then your inane comments about your freedom to break laws by employing people who are here unlawfully would be less inane.  But since illegal immigrants &#8212; and I worked in social services and saw this &#8212; are virtually all taking more out of the system than they and their employers are putting in, through EITC, Section 8, medicaid and about three dozen other programs, not to mention the strains on schools, hospitals and prisons, then you are robbing from me and every other hard-working taxpayer if you choose to employ lawbreakers.</p>
<p>Do you not respect the law?  Do you not comprehend reality?  I couldn&#8217;t care less what you speak at home, I care about what you&#8217;re taking from mypaycheck to game the system while prattling incontinently about freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: thult</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thult]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2013 01:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It appears to me that you have nothing better to do than simply wanting to argue all sides of the issue, and then, by way of ad hominum attack, accuse me of some sort of kinship with Barack Hussein Obama when you have nothing of substance to add.  Please reference a high school civics textbook to better understand what the Constitution is, and more importantly, what it both states and means.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears to me that you have nothing better to do than simply wanting to argue all sides of the issue, and then, by way of ad hominum attack, accuse me of some sort of kinship with Barack Hussein Obama when you have nothing of substance to add.  Please reference a high school civics textbook to better understand what the Constitution is, and more importantly, what it both states and means.</p>
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		<title>By: donny1020</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[donny1020]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2013 21:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[bluff, you validate what  I was saying about public employees, you complain about how hard you work, how nobody understands how hard you work, how you are under paid, how small your pension is.

You should be thanking the American tax payer for providing you with a career that was basically riding around eight hours a day in an air conditioned car giving out the occasional ticket. You should thank the tax payer for the job security you received that is virtually unknown in the private sector. You should then be thanking the tax payers for a generous pension package that affords you a comfortable lifestyle. You should thank the tax payer for providing you with a substantial salary that allowed you to invest extra income. All of these things are pretty much gone from the American workforce now. Your fortunate state could also be due to the fact that the tax payer made provisions that allowed you to be protected by a public employees union.

Nobody is asking you to feel bad about anything, I simply believe you need to thank the tax payer for everything they gave you as what you have received is not due personal merit but to a collective bargaining agreement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bluff, you validate what  I was saying about public employees, you complain about how hard you work, how nobody understands how hard you work, how you are under paid, how small your pension is.</p>
<p>You should be thanking the American tax payer for providing you with a career that was basically riding around eight hours a day in an air conditioned car giving out the occasional ticket. You should thank the tax payer for the job security you received that is virtually unknown in the private sector. You should then be thanking the tax payers for a generous pension package that affords you a comfortable lifestyle. You should thank the tax payer for providing you with a substantial salary that allowed you to invest extra income. All of these things are pretty much gone from the American workforce now. Your fortunate state could also be due to the fact that the tax payer made provisions that allowed you to be protected by a public employees union.</p>
<p>Nobody is asking you to feel bad about anything, I simply believe you need to thank the tax payer for everything they gave you as what you have received is not due personal merit but to a collective bargaining agreement.</p>
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		<title>By: donny1020</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[donny1020]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2013 21:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Explain to me how you define &quot;Conservative Constitutionalists&quot;. I would also like to know what law school you went to and where you practice law. I ask this because you appear to be claiming some type of expertise in Constitutional Law, this is a something you share with President Obama.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Explain to me how you define &#8220;Conservative Constitutionalists&#8221;. I would also like to know what law school you went to and where you practice law. I ask this because you appear to be claiming some type of expertise in Constitutional Law, this is a something you share with President Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: donny1020</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2013 21:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with many of your points surrounding employment law. The government should stay away from involving itself in the employer/employee relationship. This is what is at the core of this immigration debate.

I find it interesting that the words you use such as &quot;socialist, corporatist, plutacracy&quot; are all words used by Stalinist Communist to describe their enemies. I do not think you can show any example that the Republican Party has ever been the party of Nationalism either. We have allways sought open, free market economies without goverment intervention into our labor practices. As the government, it is an extension of the citezen this would be directed at you also. You fault Government but on the other hand want to use Government to restrict a business owner from engaging in Business if it does not conform to YOUR philosophical leanings.

I&#039;m sorry if you will suffer in the new economy but it is here and it is happening and there isn&#039;t anything you can do to change it. You can either adapt and take advantage of the new reality or choose to ignore it and complain and I can assure you  that you will feel true financial pain. The Republican Party has also stood for self reliance and personal responsibility. If you are unwilling to adapt and invest in your own education that is your problem not mine. If you are to old to change all I can say is that maybe some day in the future we can eliminate social security and in that event you and others like you will once again know their place in society. May I suggest Atlas Shrugged to you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with many of your points surrounding employment law. The government should stay away from involving itself in the employer/employee relationship. This is what is at the core of this immigration debate.</p>
<p>I find it interesting that the words you use such as &#8220;socialist, corporatist, plutacracy&#8221; are all words used by Stalinist Communist to describe their enemies. I do not think you can show any example that the Republican Party has ever been the party of Nationalism either. We have allways sought open, free market economies without goverment intervention into our labor practices. As the government, it is an extension of the citezen this would be directed at you also. You fault Government but on the other hand want to use Government to restrict a business owner from engaging in Business if it does not conform to YOUR philosophical leanings.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry if you will suffer in the new economy but it is here and it is happening and there isn&#8217;t anything you can do to change it. You can either adapt and take advantage of the new reality or choose to ignore it and complain and I can assure you  that you will feel true financial pain. The Republican Party has also stood for self reliance and personal responsibility. If you are unwilling to adapt and invest in your own education that is your problem not mine. If you are to old to change all I can say is that maybe some day in the future we can eliminate social security and in that event you and others like you will once again know their place in society. May I suggest Atlas Shrugged to you.</p>
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		<title>By: donny1020</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[donny1020]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2013 21:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FYI, COSTCO contributes and champions Democratic candidates. Even with knowing this it should be noted that Sam&#039;s Club is more profitable. COSTCO can pay their employees what they feel like, I don&#039;t have a problem with that but WalMart has a larger market share.


I would also point out that you are using retailers as a model and we were talking about production workers. Regardless if you shop at COSTCO, Sam&#039;s Club, WalMart, etc the consumer goods you buy are made off shore and NO Americans are employed in the production of those goods. You vote with your purchases and you have said loud and clear that you want products produced in places where the manufacture can take advantage of the global labor market. All we are sayis that the American business owner should be allowed a level playing field so we can compete equally with off shored manufacturing facilities.

As far your worry over how these folks will vote, I would be thinking about how to make the Republican Party more inviting to them. I have thought about this as well have others and one overriding position has come out of these discussions. The Republican Party must return to its core beliefs and either marginalize or remove knee jerk racist from the Republican Party. It is your attitude that drives these individuals into the Democratic Party. The Republican Party must attract people of color, women, and LGBT constituencies into its fold.



The writing is on the wall, there is a major demographic shift taking place in America and this change will marginalize the voice of &quot;Pay Check&quot; Republicans. If the Republican Party continues to cater to and add volume to &quot;Pay Check&quot; Republicans the Party itself will be marginalized into non-relevance. We can pretend that this isn&#039;t taking place but it is taking place and to remain relevant we must change and adapt to the situation.

As I stated earlier this is not 1946, laws are now made in Washington with significant input by lobbing firms who are bi-partisan. The American electorate simply does not write laws and pass them. Congress and the Senate do. To be elected cost significant amounts of money and politicians are smart enough not to interrupt the economic balance now in play. What real &quot;progressive&quot; action have you seen Democrats take since 1982? Most Democrats are now right of Richard Nixon. I think our side has won the ideology war and I think there is substantial facts to back this up. Just look at the AFL-CIO, steadily declining numbers since 1982. How many time have the D&#039;s had all three branches since 1982 and not once have the D&#039;s made any real attempt to pass anti-business legislation.

So come and join us, the Republican Party is big enough for everyone. If you are a Christian, a small business owner, a large business owner, banker, independent contractor we are your party. We simply can no longer be the the party that looks like the old Southern Democrats if we are to survive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, COSTCO contributes and champions Democratic candidates. Even with knowing this it should be noted that Sam&#8217;s Club is more profitable. COSTCO can pay their employees what they feel like, I don&#8217;t have a problem with that but WalMart has a larger market share.</p>
<p>I would also point out that you are using retailers as a model and we were talking about production workers. Regardless if you shop at COSTCO, Sam&#8217;s Club, WalMart, etc the consumer goods you buy are made off shore and NO Americans are employed in the production of those goods. You vote with your purchases and you have said loud and clear that you want products produced in places where the manufacture can take advantage of the global labor market. All we are sayis that the American business owner should be allowed a level playing field so we can compete equally with off shored manufacturing facilities.</p>
<p>As far your worry over how these folks will vote, I would be thinking about how to make the Republican Party more inviting to them. I have thought about this as well have others and one overriding position has come out of these discussions. The Republican Party must return to its core beliefs and either marginalize or remove knee jerk racist from the Republican Party. It is your attitude that drives these individuals into the Democratic Party. The Republican Party must attract people of color, women, and LGBT constituencies into its fold.</p>
<p>The writing is on the wall, there is a major demographic shift taking place in America and this change will marginalize the voice of &#8220;Pay Check&#8221; Republicans. If the Republican Party continues to cater to and add volume to &#8220;Pay Check&#8221; Republicans the Party itself will be marginalized into non-relevance. We can pretend that this isn&#8217;t taking place but it is taking place and to remain relevant we must change and adapt to the situation.</p>
<p>As I stated earlier this is not 1946, laws are now made in Washington with significant input by lobbing firms who are bi-partisan. The American electorate simply does not write laws and pass them. Congress and the Senate do. To be elected cost significant amounts of money and politicians are smart enough not to interrupt the economic balance now in play. What real &#8220;progressive&#8221; action have you seen Democrats take since 1982? Most Democrats are now right of Richard Nixon. I think our side has won the ideology war and I think there is substantial facts to back this up. Just look at the AFL-CIO, steadily declining numbers since 1982. How many time have the D&#8217;s had all three branches since 1982 and not once have the D&#8217;s made any real attempt to pass anti-business legislation.</p>
<p>So come and join us, the Republican Party is big enough for everyone. If you are a Christian, a small business owner, a large business owner, banker, independent contractor we are your party. We simply can no longer be the the party that looks like the old Southern Democrats if we are to survive.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Oliver]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2013 06:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Donny
I know they are  the champion of business. that&#039;s why I have supported them for 35 years.With the right balance it&#039;s good for business and workers. Some of the most successful businesses in America pay and treat their employees well. Costco, an E-Verify Company is one example and there are many more. Their average pay is $18.00 and they provide a nice benefit package. Treating  employees well promotes loyalty and increases productivity. Study how Henry Ford treated his employees.

You made it clear in your first post that you are pro business, anti labor and that&#039;s OK. But you haven&#039;t addressed the political demographics of legalizing 11-30 million illegal aliens that will be fast tracked for citizenship and register 8 to 1 Democrat. Once that happens Republicans won&#039;t have the numbers to stop anything the the Progressives want to enact.You&#039;ll find yourself back in pre President Kennedy tax rates with a top rate of 95%. Most of the money you earn will go to the government while you earn it and after you die. Remember the luxury taxes that killed the boating, light airplane manufacturing, etc. Remember the inheritance taxes, they&#039;ll be back.I think it&#039;s short sighted to throw American workers  under the bus and put in place a progressive government that will tax and regulate businesses out of existence in the future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donny<br />
I know they are  the champion of business. that&#8217;s why I have supported them for 35 years.With the right balance it&#8217;s good for business and workers. Some of the most successful businesses in America pay and treat their employees well. Costco, an E-Verify Company is one example and there are many more. Their average pay is $18.00 and they provide a nice benefit package. Treating  employees well promotes loyalty and increases productivity. Study how Henry Ford treated his employees.</p>
<p>You made it clear in your first post that you are pro business, anti labor and that&#8217;s OK. But you haven&#8217;t addressed the political demographics of legalizing 11-30 million illegal aliens that will be fast tracked for citizenship and register 8 to 1 Democrat. Once that happens Republicans won&#8217;t have the numbers to stop anything the the Progressives want to enact.You&#8217;ll find yourself back in pre President Kennedy tax rates with a top rate of 95%. Most of the money you earn will go to the government while you earn it and after you die. Remember the luxury taxes that killed the boating, light airplane manufacturing, etc. Remember the inheritance taxes, they&#8217;ll be back.I think it&#8217;s short sighted to throw American workers  under the bus and put in place a progressive government that will tax and regulate businesses out of existence in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Oliver]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2013 06:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good post Ron]]></description>
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		<title>By: bluffcreek1967</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bluffcreek1967]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Sep 2013 23:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see, so that&#039;s why you replied at length to my last post? You know nothing about me nor about my retirement pension. You also know little to nothing about the real work, the hard work that most police officers perform. Folks like yourself can laugh all you want about cops, but when you need us, we&#039;re the ones risking our very lives to save and protect you. Sure, some cops abuse their authority, but the vast majority of us don&#039;t.  


You think that all police officers make the level of money you read about in the paper that are cited as examples of abuse. Truth is, most of us don&#039;t make that much and not all of us retire with as much money as you imagine. Many retired cops like myself saved and invested because we don&#039;t ultimately trust our own retirement systems.


If you think for one moment that I should be embarrassed for 30 years of public service as a cop, you&#039;re insane. 


Lastly, public pensions have never done the sort of damage and level of costs that illegal immigrants have cost to both the State and Federal governments. You need to crawl out of your hole of ignorance and see the world as it really is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see, so that&#8217;s why you replied at length to my last post? You know nothing about me nor about my retirement pension. You also know little to nothing about the real work, the hard work that most police officers perform. Folks like yourself can laugh all you want about cops, but when you need us, we&#8217;re the ones risking our very lives to save and protect you. Sure, some cops abuse their authority, but the vast majority of us don&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>You think that all police officers make the level of money you read about in the paper that are cited as examples of abuse. Truth is, most of us don&#8217;t make that much and not all of us retire with as much money as you imagine. Many retired cops like myself saved and invested because we don&#8217;t ultimately trust our own retirement systems.</p>
<p>If you think for one moment that I should be embarrassed for 30 years of public service as a cop, you&#8217;re insane. </p>
<p>Lastly, public pensions have never done the sort of damage and level of costs that illegal immigrants have cost to both the State and Federal governments. You need to crawl out of your hole of ignorance and see the world as it really is.</p>
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		<title>By: levotb</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[levotb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Sep 2013 23:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re an idiot leftist, donny! You don&#039;t know what you&#039;re talking about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re an idiot leftist, donny! You don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: levotb</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[levotb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Sep 2013 23:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank goodness Cruz is ineligible to be POTUS!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank goodness Cruz is ineligible to be POTUS!</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Lewenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Lewenberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Sep 2013 22:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The GOP has been the party of Middle America, nationalism, and business. You tellingly ignore the first two in order to shill not for the free market, but for CORPORATISM and Corporate WELFARE. 
There is no free market in labor in America. We have welfare and minimum wage laws. We have a multitude of state, federal, and local laws and regulations on employment, workplace standards, and conditions.
Where is this magic free market?

Milton Friedman, rightly said taht you can have a welfare state or open borders, but no both. What you at the other CORPORATISTS want is SUBSIDIZED labor. You want cheap foreign workers, whose costs are subsidized by the state. Meanwhile unemployed America or those with new lower wages are also on welfare. This privatizes profits for a plutocracy, and nationalizes costs. That isn&#039;t the free market.
It imports unskilled foreign labor with grievances, who are natural SOCIALISTS. It increases the number of Americans dependent on government, while increasing cul;tural Marxist programs to indocrinate all young people. Corporatiosn stop being nationalist and start being anti-nationalist. The net results is a staggering growth in leftist among the young.
How does elecitng SOCIALISTS help the &quot;free market&quot;?

You are a useful idiot for the left, a libertarian for socialism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The GOP has been the party of Middle America, nationalism, and business. You tellingly ignore the first two in order to shill not for the free market, but for CORPORATISM and Corporate WELFARE.<br />
There is no free market in labor in America. We have welfare and minimum wage laws. We have a multitude of state, federal, and local laws and regulations on employment, workplace standards, and conditions.<br />
Where is this magic free market?</p>
<p>Milton Friedman, rightly said taht you can have a welfare state or open borders, but no both. What you at the other CORPORATISTS want is SUBSIDIZED labor. You want cheap foreign workers, whose costs are subsidized by the state. Meanwhile unemployed America or those with new lower wages are also on welfare. This privatizes profits for a plutocracy, and nationalizes costs. That isn&#8217;t the free market.<br />
It imports unskilled foreign labor with grievances, who are natural SOCIALISTS. It increases the number of Americans dependent on government, while increasing cul;tural Marxist programs to indocrinate all young people. Corporatiosn stop being nationalist and start being anti-nationalist. The net results is a staggering growth in leftist among the young.<br />
How does elecitng SOCIALISTS help the &#8220;free market&#8221;?</p>
<p>You are a useful idiot for the left, a libertarian for socialism.</p>
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		<title>By: donny1020</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[donny1020]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Sep 2013 21:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry but I&#039;m not going to get into a discussion about conservative politics with a retired over paid government employee who put themselves above the tax payers. You are a great example of socialist values.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry but I&#8217;m not going to get into a discussion about conservative politics with a retired over paid government employee who put themselves above the tax payers. You are a great example of socialist values.</p>
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		<title>By: donny1020</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[donny1020]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Sep 2013 20:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It amazes me that so many &quot;pay Check&quot; Republicans are oblivious to American history. Well you are wrong on every point. You don&#039;t get a pass simply because you were born in America as far as the Business community is concerned. Here is quick little fact, immigration does reduce wages. Reduced labor cost equal higher productivity. What is it that you think is being discussed when productivity is being used.

The Republican Party is the Party of business. Every argument you make could be coming out of the mouth of any blue collar Union member or leader. You want to stop business from employing who they want and prohibit business from paying what are market based wages. I think that when Democrats make demands such as this you would rightly define it as socialism.



Join the rest of us that believe that our ascendency is based on our own individual merits, we believe that a free and open market will bring gains to all peoples. We are a nation built on free market capitalism and we welcome you. Don&#039;t be frightened of competition but embrace it as you can never win if you fail to enter the race.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It amazes me that so many &#8220;pay Check&#8221; Republicans are oblivious to American history. Well you are wrong on every point. You don&#8217;t get a pass simply because you were born in America as far as the Business community is concerned. Here is quick little fact, immigration does reduce wages. Reduced labor cost equal higher productivity. What is it that you think is being discussed when productivity is being used.</p>
<p>The Republican Party is the Party of business. Every argument you make could be coming out of the mouth of any blue collar Union member or leader. You want to stop business from employing who they want and prohibit business from paying what are market based wages. I think that when Democrats make demands such as this you would rightly define it as socialism.</p>
<p>Join the rest of us that believe that our ascendency is based on our own individual merits, we believe that a free and open market will bring gains to all peoples. We are a nation built on free market capitalism and we welcome you. Don&#8217;t be frightened of competition but embrace it as you can never win if you fail to enter the race.</p>
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