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		<title>By: WW4</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/matthew-vadum/americas-obamacare-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-5284003</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Oct 2013 14:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[True. The problem with lies is the problem with human nature: we hear what we want to hear. Liberals like the lie about medical bankruptcies (yep, guilty of that one). Conservatives like the lie about &quot;death panels.&quot; Liberals use the anecdotes about the people who suffer after being dropped by their insurance company. Conservatives use the anecdotes about people who suffer waiting for procedures in Europe.

I think we&#039;re still in for our reckoning. Health care is at least &quot;on people&#039;s minds&quot; (yes, cold comfort, that). I am enough of a realist to understand its subsidies will continue to mask costs, which was the main problem in the first place. I am enough of an idealist to think there is a framework, there, that can be adjustable in ways that do NOT cede more control to the government, and just enough &quot;utopian&quot; to hope that increased participation will help control those costs.

I agree that &quot;the poor you will always have with you;&quot; the envious, as well. I am concerned about the basics for the middle class: health care costs, college costs for the kids, and what&#039;s left over to retire on. I never get the sense for the Republican Party that these are &quot;their&quot; concerns: it&#039;s &quot;I got mine, Jack; government&#039;s bad (except when it works for me).&quot; Now that may be unfair, but if the GOP wonders why they lose elections, it&#039;s not that the democrats have promised the moon--it&#039;s that the GOP hasn&#039;t offered constructive alternatives creative enough to fire people&#039;s imaginations. Yet this is exactly what made Reagan successful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True. The problem with lies is the problem with human nature: we hear what we want to hear. Liberals like the lie about medical bankruptcies (yep, guilty of that one). Conservatives like the lie about &#8220;death panels.&#8221; Liberals use the anecdotes about the people who suffer after being dropped by their insurance company. Conservatives use the anecdotes about people who suffer waiting for procedures in Europe.</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;re still in for our reckoning. Health care is at least &#8220;on people&#8217;s minds&#8221; (yes, cold comfort, that). I am enough of a realist to understand its subsidies will continue to mask costs, which was the main problem in the first place. I am enough of an idealist to think there is a framework, there, that can be adjustable in ways that do NOT cede more control to the government, and just enough &#8220;utopian&#8221; to hope that increased participation will help control those costs.</p>
<p>I agree that &#8220;the poor you will always have with you;&#8221; the envious, as well. I am concerned about the basics for the middle class: health care costs, college costs for the kids, and what&#8217;s left over to retire on. I never get the sense for the Republican Party that these are &#8220;their&#8221; concerns: it&#8217;s &#8220;I got mine, Jack; government&#8217;s bad (except when it works for me).&#8221; Now that may be unfair, but if the GOP wonders why they lose elections, it&#8217;s not that the democrats have promised the moon&#8211;it&#8217;s that the GOP hasn&#8217;t offered constructive alternatives creative enough to fire people&#8217;s imaginations. Yet this is exactly what made Reagan successful.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Oct 2013 00:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not difficult to make a rational case for mercy and having a safety net, when it doesn&#039;t endanger society. The problem is that socialist &quot;safety nets&quot; tend to cause more harm than good.


In theory, socialism is just compassion with collective action. The problem is, who leads this collective effort? It ends up being not only coercive, but based on deception. A few anecdotes are used to represent entire classes of people and socialists today will tell you that it doesn&#039;t even matter if the anecdotes are authentic because they &quot;could be&quot; true. They&#039;re not committed to truth because ultimately their dreams are Utopian. They are convinced that their ideas are better than reality, so being committed to the truth is like being stuck in the past. That&#039;s how many of them think. Compassion is only a tactic for most people with socialist dreams. They often even fool themselves about how altruistic they supposedly are. They almost universally expect to gain personally from these ideas.


Given enough time, I&#039;m sure that you and I could work out some reasonable policies. The present day political climate won&#039;t allow anything like that. It&#039;s too late for the ACA. Unfortunately, I think if the ACA is funded, the damage it will cause will not only set back socialism (which is good) but it will do great harm to our nation&#039;s people in their capacity to care at all about &quot;the greater good&quot; even in charity. It will feel like it&#039;s useless trying to help others who seem to not want to help themselves. Maybe that&#039;s OK and churches will return to their traditional role, small charities will eventually fill the gaps and things will improve for most people.


You will always have some poor, and some sick people. You will always have envious people and people who want more power. We should have zero tolerance for liars for a start, and then see where that leads us. I think things can only get better if we could simply all agree that lies are always destructive at some point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not difficult to make a rational case for mercy and having a safety net, when it doesn&#8217;t endanger society. The problem is that socialist &#8220;safety nets&#8221; tend to cause more harm than good.</p>
<p>In theory, socialism is just compassion with collective action. The problem is, who leads this collective effort? It ends up being not only coercive, but based on deception. A few anecdotes are used to represent entire classes of people and socialists today will tell you that it doesn&#8217;t even matter if the anecdotes are authentic because they &#8220;could be&#8221; true. They&#8217;re not committed to truth because ultimately their dreams are Utopian. They are convinced that their ideas are better than reality, so being committed to the truth is like being stuck in the past. That&#8217;s how many of them think. Compassion is only a tactic for most people with socialist dreams. They often even fool themselves about how altruistic they supposedly are. They almost universally expect to gain personally from these ideas.</p>
<p>Given enough time, I&#8217;m sure that you and I could work out some reasonable policies. The present day political climate won&#8217;t allow anything like that. It&#8217;s too late for the ACA. Unfortunately, I think if the ACA is funded, the damage it will cause will not only set back socialism (which is good) but it will do great harm to our nation&#8217;s people in their capacity to care at all about &#8220;the greater good&#8221; even in charity. It will feel like it&#8217;s useless trying to help others who seem to not want to help themselves. Maybe that&#8217;s OK and churches will return to their traditional role, small charities will eventually fill the gaps and things will improve for most people.</p>
<p>You will always have some poor, and some sick people. You will always have envious people and people who want more power. We should have zero tolerance for liars for a start, and then see where that leads us. I think things can only get better if we could simply all agree that lies are always destructive at some point.</p>
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		<title>By: WW4</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Sep 2013 15:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t stand hearing that health care (or even education) is a &quot;right,&quot; and try to put the kaibosh on that kind of talk when I hear it among well-meaning friends. 


These may be things we as a society value highly as necessary and essential and for which we may make provisions. But they are not &quot;rights.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t stand hearing that health care (or even education) is a &#8220;right,&#8221; and try to put the kaibosh on that kind of talk when I hear it among well-meaning friends. </p>
<p>These may be things we as a society value highly as necessary and essential and for which we may make provisions. But they are not &#8220;rights.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: American1969</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why not just renounce your American citizenship and go over to Europe and live your socialist dream? The rest of America doesn&#039;t want it! Unlike you, the rest of us like our freedom without government interference. Please feel free to live under Big Brother&#039;s thumb all you like.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not just renounce your American citizenship and go over to Europe and live your socialist dream? The rest of America doesn&#8217;t want it! Unlike you, the rest of us like our freedom without government interference. Please feel free to live under Big Brother&#8217;s thumb all you like.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2013 04:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The point is that &quot;maybe&quot; our system is better (not to mention the fact that we are host to most of the world&#039;s medical research and technology advances) and we don&#039;t need to experiment with trying to homogenize Western nations just because it seems like a good idea to some people. On the left.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point is that &#8220;maybe&#8221; our system is better (not to mention the fact that we are host to most of the world&#8217;s medical research and technology advances) and we don&#8217;t need to experiment with trying to homogenize Western nations just because it seems like a good idea to some people. On the left.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2013 04:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Do you, or do you not see health care as a legit &quot;safety net&quot; issue?&quot;

Issue for who? Start with the question: Who is accountable for my success? The same is accountable for my failures.

&quot;As something which it is in the state&#039;s interest to be concerned and make SOME provision for?&quot;



Make provisions for ensuring nobody feels they don&#039;t have equal health care and that the rich aren&#039;t stealing from them by being successful? Because that&#039;s what this is about. It&#039;s about envy and blame-shifting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Do you, or do you not see health care as a legit &#8220;safety net&#8221; issue?&#8221;</p>
<p>Issue for who? Start with the question: Who is accountable for my success? The same is accountable for my failures.</p>
<p>&#8220;As something which it is in the state&#8217;s interest to be concerned and make SOME provision for?&#8221;</p>
<p>Make provisions for ensuring nobody feels they don&#8217;t have equal health care and that the rich aren&#8217;t stealing from them by being successful? Because that&#8217;s what this is about. It&#8217;s about envy and blame-shifting.</p>
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		<title>By: WW4</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2013 03:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you, or do you not see health care as a legit &quot;safety net&quot; issue? As something which it is in the state&#039;s interest to be concerned and make SOME provision for?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you, or do you not see health care as a legit &#8220;safety net&#8221; issue? As something which it is in the state&#8217;s interest to be concerned and make SOME provision for?</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2013 02:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I think we can agree the issue of health care--access and provision--can be seen as a safety net issue even through a conservative lens...&quot;

The safety nets already exist. You want to protect &quot;poor people&quot; from ever having to pay for something they &quot;can&#039;t afford.&quot;

&quot;Would a preferable method be a stipend? Sort of &quot;negative income tax?&quot; &quot;Here&#039;s your alotment; go shopping for a plan?&quot;&quot;

That would certainly be more rational than the ACA but it would never make the radicals any happier. They hate consumer sovereignty. Get it? They have an impulse to take away consumer sovereignty to protect the stupid people from themselves so that smart Utopians can engineer our perfect future. It&#039;s an impulse they can&#039;t control.

Having said that, I don&#039;t mind a subsidy when we can afford it as long as you never dare tell people it&#039;s their right. It&#039;s not.

&quot;Plans would be openly competitive between states (as I&#039;ve always agreed they should be?)&quot;



If there was any way for socialized medicine to work, they should at least run it at the state level and allow states to compete with each other for clients. At least then you&#039;ve replicated a competitive market. 


You still have the root problems of Utopian ideology but we can deal with that as we go, since we must do that in any case. So yeah, if some proposal had come along for something like that I&#039;d have a lot more respect for their efforts to try. But no, they&#039;re a bunch of unhinged radicals. They come up with a plan that destroys everything before they must even show evidence that they know where the North Pole is. It&#039;s obviously designed to be &quot;too big to fail&quot; for a reason so that we&#039;re stuck with it and stuck with trying to fix it, because the old system has been dissolved.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think we can agree the issue of health care&#8211;access and provision&#8211;can be seen as a safety net issue even through a conservative lens&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The safety nets already exist. You want to protect &#8220;poor people&#8221; from ever having to pay for something they &#8220;can&#8217;t afford.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Would a preferable method be a stipend? Sort of &#8220;negative income tax?&#8221; &#8220;Here&#8217;s your alotment; go shopping for a plan?&#8221;&#8221;</p>
<p>That would certainly be more rational than the ACA but it would never make the radicals any happier. They hate consumer sovereignty. Get it? They have an impulse to take away consumer sovereignty to protect the stupid people from themselves so that smart Utopians can engineer our perfect future. It&#8217;s an impulse they can&#8217;t control.</p>
<p>Having said that, I don&#8217;t mind a subsidy when we can afford it as long as you never dare tell people it&#8217;s their right. It&#8217;s not.</p>
<p>&#8220;Plans would be openly competitive between states (as I&#8217;ve always agreed they should be?)&#8221;</p>
<p>If there was any way for socialized medicine to work, they should at least run it at the state level and allow states to compete with each other for clients. At least then you&#8217;ve replicated a competitive market. </p>
<p>You still have the root problems of Utopian ideology but we can deal with that as we go, since we must do that in any case. So yeah, if some proposal had come along for something like that I&#8217;d have a lot more respect for their efforts to try. But no, they&#8217;re a bunch of unhinged radicals. They come up with a plan that destroys everything before they must even show evidence that they know where the North Pole is. It&#8217;s obviously designed to be &#8220;too big to fail&#8221; for a reason so that we&#8217;re stuck with it and stuck with trying to fix it, because the old system has been dissolved.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2013 02:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;For a utopian impulse there&#039;s a common sense component to making sure care is accessible.&quot;



OMG. Healthcare IS accessible! More accessible than any time and place in history! The only thing stopping anyone from getting healthcare is ignorance. Does it place requirements on the patient? Yes.


Oh no, we can&#039;t burden the patient directly. Only do that when we can blame others. Promise them everything and then blame others when we fail to deliver. Rinse and repeat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For a utopian impulse there&#8217;s a common sense component to making sure care is accessible.&#8221;</p>
<p>OMG. Healthcare IS accessible! More accessible than any time and place in history! The only thing stopping anyone from getting healthcare is ignorance. Does it place requirements on the patient? Yes.</p>
<p>Oh no, we can&#8217;t burden the patient directly. Only do that when we can blame others. Promise them everything and then blame others when we fail to deliver. Rinse and repeat.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2013 02:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Isn&#039;t &quot;insuring&quot; what it is? Why should it rise to the level of &quot;ensure?&quot;&quot;



Because that&#039;s what you and others imply. If it&#039;s universal guaranteed, no condition &quot;insurance,&quot; what&#039;s the difference? There are no conditions to a simple assurance. Insurance puts requirements on the insured. We (you) promise the world to the voter but can we (you) deliver?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Isn&#8217;t &#8220;insuring&#8221; what it is? Why should it rise to the level of &#8220;ensure?&#8221;&#8221;</p>
<p>Because that&#8217;s what you and others imply. If it&#8217;s universal guaranteed, no condition &#8220;insurance,&#8221; what&#8217;s the difference? There are no conditions to a simple assurance. Insurance puts requirements on the insured. We (you) promise the world to the voter but can we (you) deliver?</p>
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		<title>By: WW4</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WW4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2013 02:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t &quot;insuring&quot; what it is? Why should it rise to the level of &quot;ensure?&quot; For a utopian impulse there&#039;s a common sense component to making sure care is accessible.

I think we can agree the issue of health care--access and provision--can be seen as a safety net issue even through a conservative lens (Hayek, Mises). Would a preferable method be a stipend? Sort of &quot;negative income tax?&quot; &quot;Here&#039;s your alotment; go shopping?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t &#8220;insuring&#8221; what it is? Why should it rise to the level of &#8220;ensure?&#8221; For a utopian impulse there&#8217;s a common sense component to making sure care is accessible.</p>
<p>I think we can agree the issue of health care&#8211;access and provision&#8211;can be seen as a safety net issue even through a conservative lens (Hayek, Mises). Would a preferable method be a stipend? Sort of &#8220;negative income tax?&#8221; &#8220;Here&#8217;s your alotment; go shopping?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2013 02:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;As president Nixon was a vile leftist. Before that he was a cool commie hunter who worked with Joe McCarthy. Somewhere along the way he was corrupted.&quot;



Some commie hunters simply did not understand the comprehensive case against socialism and communism. They believe there was/is a &quot;middle way&quot; that is fine but that the Soviets were &quot;extremists.&quot; As if there is some kind of non-coercive socialism and or if you get it right by having enlightened administrators, well that is the role of modern governments to make sure we&#039;re not too sad to reelect them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As president Nixon was a vile leftist. Before that he was a cool commie hunter who worked with Joe McCarthy. Somewhere along the way he was corrupted.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some commie hunters simply did not understand the comprehensive case against socialism and communism. They believe there was/is a &#8220;middle way&#8221; that is fine but that the Soviets were &#8220;extremists.&#8221; As if there is some kind of non-coercive socialism and or if you get it right by having enlightened administrators, well that is the role of modern governments to make sure we&#8217;re not too sad to reelect them.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2013 01:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;No. The freedom to contract, with terms agreeable to both parties.&quot;





But we need &quot;the government&quot; to help us enforce contracts when &quot;the evil corporations&quot; try to screw us. Therefore the ACA? Really?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No. The freedom to contract, with terms agreeable to both parties.&#8221;</p>
<p>But we need &#8220;the government&#8221; to help us enforce contracts when &#8220;the evil corporations&#8221; try to screw us. Therefore the ACA? Really?</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2013 01:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The freedom to declare bankruptcy because you got cancer?&quot;

You think that unmerciful? The government should not insure but ensure life has no bumps that make people sad? No wonder you don&#039;t see the Utopian urges behind ACA.

&quot;The freedom to be dropped from coverage at the whim of your insurance company?&quot;



That is BS. We have tons of regulations protecting consumers not to mention contract law from common law.


We gave a voter base that has been indoctrinated by poignant anecdotes. Don&#039;t our citizens even understand the fundamentals of our justice systems? I think no. Teaching them that would quickly lead to them rejecting socialist stupidity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The freedom to declare bankruptcy because you got cancer?&#8221;</p>
<p>You think that unmerciful? The government should not insure but ensure life has no bumps that make people sad? No wonder you don&#8217;t see the Utopian urges behind ACA.</p>
<p>&#8220;The freedom to be dropped from coverage at the whim of your insurance company?&#8221;</p>
<p>That is BS. We have tons of regulations protecting consumers not to mention contract law from common law.</p>
<p>We gave a voter base that has been indoctrinated by poignant anecdotes. Don&#8217;t our citizens even understand the fundamentals of our justice systems? I think no. Teaching them that would quickly lead to them rejecting socialist stupidity.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Fromage</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2013 01:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No. The freedom to contract, with terms agreeable to both parties.  The freedom to save pre-tax dollars for the purpose of paying for health care.


RE: Science.  Complete hogwash.  The engineering and science which goes into the businesses mentioned, as well as a myriad of others, are no less or greater a justification for government tampering in the marketplace.  Further, the level of science used on a daily basis at the clinical level is dwarfed by that which is used to develop new drugs and medical machines, which are (or were, until 0bamacare&#039;s medical device tax came into play) fairly well removed from government tampering, at least until the approval phase.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. The freedom to contract, with terms agreeable to both parties.  The freedom to save pre-tax dollars for the purpose of paying for health care.</p>
<p>RE: Science.  Complete hogwash.  The engineering and science which goes into the businesses mentioned, as well as a myriad of others, are no less or greater a justification for government tampering in the marketplace.  Further, the level of science used on a daily basis at the clinical level is dwarfed by that which is used to develop new drugs and medical machines, which are (or were, until 0bamacare&#8217;s medical device tax came into play) fairly well removed from government tampering, at least until the approval phase.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2013 01:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But we should bankrupt the nation so that we&#039;re all destitute together. That way we won&#039;t have so many individuals who file and then get over it. As a nation, we can go to China for help but individuals have to stress out and figure out what to do next.

It makes me cry constantly to think about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But we should bankrupt the nation so that we&#8217;re all destitute together. That way we won&#8217;t have so many individuals who file and then get over it. As a nation, we can go to China for help but individuals have to stress out and figure out what to do next.</p>
<p>It makes me cry constantly to think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2013 01:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;This law doesn&#039;t strike me as utopian in any sense.&quot;



That&#039;s obvious lack of awareness on your part. We need Utopian dreamers in every society as long as they understand their role in it. We have too many Utopian dreamers who don&#039;t know they&#039;re dreaming because they imagine they&#039;re actually slaying the dragons of greed and &quot;social injustice.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This law doesn&#8217;t strike me as utopian in any sense.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s obvious lack of awareness on your part. We need Utopian dreamers in every society as long as they understand their role in it. We have too many Utopian dreamers who don&#8217;t know they&#8217;re dreaming because they imagine they&#8217;re actually slaying the dragons of greed and &#8220;social injustice.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2013 01:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Can&#039;t one make the argument that the parts of this law that fall under the government&#039;s purview are subject to change with any election?&quot;

In theory perhaps but I can&#039;t imagine what you&#039;re talking about. In reality the government must make a strong case for why it must interfere with our free market system.

Are there clear safety issues being addressed? I don&#039;t think so. Fraud? They will say yes, but this is based on socialist collectivist &quot;social justice&quot; ideology which does not pass muster according to our constitution. What fraud that does need to be addressed is not addressed at all.

Their original premise was that they could deliver better value &quot;collectively&quot; but what it boils down to after doing the math is that it&#039;s a grand income redistribution scheme that doesn&#039;t mind destroying one of our most (if not the most) important segment of our economy in order to enrich a few classes of low-income people. But it sounds extremely enlightened. Because people have dreamed about this for centuries. People have been dreaming about intergalactic travel too. We&#039;re not quite ready for that either.

No, they can&#039;t deliver better value. They can promise you that it&#039;s more socially just. In their opinion. That&#039;s the only benefit we get. At what cost?

It&#039;s insane.

&quot;And the parts in the private realm can be expanded the same way?&quot;



The private sector is subordinated to the control of the government. Every change that I&#039;m aware of is about investing in the fallacy of the benefits of &quot;central planning&quot; by &quot;benevolent elites&quot; (tyrants).


So what are the actual benefits in terms of the bottom line and how much will it cost to deliver those supposed benefits?


Some aspects of medicine can be commodified. Most can&#039;t. That&#039;s the second biggest error in the failed models used to predict net gains from socialized medicine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Can&#8217;t one make the argument that the parts of this law that fall under the government&#8217;s purview are subject to change with any election?&#8221;</p>
<p>In theory perhaps but I can&#8217;t imagine what you&#8217;re talking about. In reality the government must make a strong case for why it must interfere with our free market system.</p>
<p>Are there clear safety issues being addressed? I don&#8217;t think so. Fraud? They will say yes, but this is based on socialist collectivist &#8220;social justice&#8221; ideology which does not pass muster according to our constitution. What fraud that does need to be addressed is not addressed at all.</p>
<p>Their original premise was that they could deliver better value &#8220;collectively&#8221; but what it boils down to after doing the math is that it&#8217;s a grand income redistribution scheme that doesn&#8217;t mind destroying one of our most (if not the most) important segment of our economy in order to enrich a few classes of low-income people. But it sounds extremely enlightened. Because people have dreamed about this for centuries. People have been dreaming about intergalactic travel too. We&#8217;re not quite ready for that either.</p>
<p>No, they can&#8217;t deliver better value. They can promise you that it&#8217;s more socially just. In their opinion. That&#8217;s the only benefit we get. At what cost?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s insane.</p>
<p>&#8220;And the parts in the private realm can be expanded the same way?&#8221;</p>
<p>The private sector is subordinated to the control of the government. Every change that I&#8217;m aware of is about investing in the fallacy of the benefits of &#8220;central planning&#8221; by &#8220;benevolent elites&#8221; (tyrants).</p>
<p>So what are the actual benefits in terms of the bottom line and how much will it cost to deliver those supposed benefits?</p>
<p>Some aspects of medicine can be commodified. Most can&#8217;t. That&#8217;s the second biggest error in the failed models used to predict net gains from socialized medicine.</p>
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		<title>By: JPeden</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JPeden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2013 01:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[.&quot; Medical expenses are one of, some say THE, leading cause of bankruptcies in the U.S.&quot;


Elizabeth &quot;Princess Lies Through Teeth&quot; Warren coauthored the study forming the Urban Myth of &quot;Medical Bankruptcy&quot;.  Go look at Table 2 of her study to see all of the absurd criteria which would make your bankruptcy &quot;medical&quot;, only one of them being necessary.  And that&#039;s only one of the things wrong with her study.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.&#8221; Medical expenses are one of, some say THE, leading cause of bankruptcies in the U.S.&#8221;</p>
<p>Elizabeth &#8220;Princess Lies Through Teeth&#8221; Warren coauthored the study forming the Urban Myth of &#8220;Medical Bankruptcy&#8221;.  Go look at Table 2 of her study to see all of the absurd criteria which would make your bankruptcy &#8220;medical&#8221;, only one of them being necessary.  And that&#8217;s only one of the things wrong with her study.</p>
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		<title>By: JPeden</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JPeden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2013 01:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Norway has about 4.5 million people and is the second leading exporter of Natural Gas. duhhhhh


Canadians stream across the border to the U.S. to get health care services because of the long, potentially lethal waits involved. Go up there for your coronary bypass surgery, but don&#039;t forget to say goodbye to your best friends, &quot;because it may be the last time&quot;. -- James Brown]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Norway has about 4.5 million people and is the second leading exporter of Natural Gas. duhhhhh</p>
<p>Canadians stream across the border to the U.S. to get health care services because of the long, potentially lethal waits involved. Go up there for your coronary bypass surgery, but don&#8217;t forget to say goodbye to your best friends, &#8220;because it may be the last time&#8221;. &#8212; James Brown</p>
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