Christian Indifference to Christian Suffering

Michael Finch is the Chief Operating Officer at the David Horowitz Freedom Center.


Christians are being persecuted all over the world.  Churches are being burned and destroyed, girls are being raped and ancient Christian communities reaching back 2,000 years are being obliterated.  And the world yawns.  Most shockingly, many Christians in the West, worse than yawning, look away and in some cases embrace the perpetrators and blame our allies.

This begs the obvious question:  Why do so many Christians in America and Europe seem to not care about what is happening around the world to their fellow disciples of Jesus?  Why are we looking the other way while the brutal murder, persecution, rape and ethnic and religious cleansing is happening right before our eyes?

The answers are complicated and unfortunately, don’t offer much hope for the future.  First some history:

The fact is, Christians have never been united.  Even before 1054 and the Great Schism between Rome and Constantinople, Christians were at odds with each other.  The Schism just made it official.  The Protestant Reformation of the early 16th century further divided “Christendom” into a multitude of fractures, ending any hope of a united Christian Church.

While the Eastern Roman Empire was, for centuries, holding off the oncoming Turkish Muslim hordes, the Western Church did worse than yawn; in 1204 they irrevocably weakened the Byzantine Empire when they sacked Constantinople on their way to the Holy Land.  Much of the beauty of Venice was the booty stolen from their fellow Christians of the East.  When Constantinople finally fell in 1453, aid did not come from Christian Europe in spite of frantic pleas for assistance.

There have been great moments in the history of the West, when Christians fought together against a common foe.  Most notably when the Pole Jan Sobieski lead a heroic charge of Catholics and Protestants at Vienna in 1683 and likely saved Europe from being overrun by the Turks and becoming Muslim.  But most of the history of the West has seen Christians at each other’s throats, one long trail of bloody wars after another with World War I being perhaps the last light in the Christian West going out.  Perhaps Sobieski only bought us a few hundred years before the Muslim onslaught.

But if history is against us, so are those divisions within Christianity.  Unfortunately, for most Christians, a Christian is not a Christian.  To get an American Roman Catholic to worry about an Assyrian Iraqi Christian or to get a Presbyterian to concern themselves with a Melkite Catholic in Syria is a near impossible task.  You will have better luck raising their awareness of Buddhist monks in Tibet.  When you walk in a Baptist Church and find tracts that call Rome and the Catholic Church the “whore of Babylon” and the Pope the “anti-Christ” is it really surprising that they have such little concern for the raping of Coptic Christians in Egypt?  There is a now infamous photo of an Egyptian Copt with his hand on a blood-stained painting of Jesus on the walls of a destroyed church in Alexandria.  A comment made to me about the image from a fundamentalist Protestant was “Images of Jesus are a false idol and therefore heresy.”  And we wonder why no one cares?

And finally, the scourge of political correctness and the influence the Left has had on our culture is perhaps the greatest reason why we lack the will to fight.  Or even to care.  We see it in Hollywood, the media, in our politics and, of course, in our churches.

Even I, as a non-Catholic, yearn for some kind of leadership from the Vatican.  Pope John Paul will live forever in the hearts of those who love freedom for his courageous stance against Communism.  There was hope for Pope Benedict early on, but those hopes were quickly squashed.  When the Pope would make a statement about the persecution of Christians in the Middle East, he would invariably mention, the “occupation,” “two state solution” or some other canard to blame Israel for what the Muslims are doing to Christians.  To do so is disgusting and shameful and a further blight on the Church.  May this new Pope find the courage that so many others have lacked.

When we look to other Christian churches, the news only gets worse.  American and European main-stream protestant churches are pathetic examples of a post-Christian world.  We see a full embracing of the Palestinian cause and an apology to their terror.  They have so fallen into the leftist mantra that they can’t see the evil before their eyes.  I liken it to western feminists saying nothing about the plight of women under Islam; the genital mutilations, beatings, rapes and honor killings.  They don’t care about women; their cause has nothing to do with “women’s rights.”  They are pushing a political agenda.  It goes the same with much of the Western Christian churches.  We can raise all the awareness that we want, but they just don’t care.

There is some hope, though it is fleeting.  Among the evangelicals, Catholics, Eastern Orthodox and scattered other remnants, there are those that still do care.  And they must be awakened to move against this great evil and injustice to their fellow followers of Christ.  In addition, we must reach out to our allies outside of Christianity.  Jews, Hindus, Buddhist and so many others are very much victims today of Islamic terror and persecution.  An alliance must be formed.

For Christians, any human suffering is a cry for help, whether they be Christians or otherwise.  But it is especially critical that we heed those who are being martyred for their belief in Christ.  Differences of history, doctrine, ethnicity and nation must be set aside.  We, in the West, are in the greatest position to help, in whatever ways that may be determined.  And before we look the other way, we need to think about when the persecution comes home, and that time will arrive if we are to do nothing now.  Who will be left to save us?

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  • http://twitter.com/BlissTabitha @BlissTabitha

    It's so true & heartbreaking to see the 'body of Christ' on earth so broken.
    I am not a Catholic either. I'm more of what they'd classify as an evangelical..But I am married to a Catholic man whom I love dearly. (Yes, according to our government, we're both religious extremists.) ;-)
    The thing that's so sad about Catholics being demonized by Baptists (& I was raised in a Baptist household), is the fact that the prophecies are now understood & completely confirmed by the 'math' God clearly put in them where he foretold events to the exact year the prophecy would be fulfilled. But because it's only been officially unsealed since 1967 (& understood later), & most doctrines already had their theory firmly in place, they'll never look at the overwhelming evidence let alone report this information to the flock. (For everything on that you can check out the BeholdTheBeast website.)
    The other thing many Protestants fail to understand is that without the Catholic church there would be no Protestant church & likely no Christianity that survived to this time to speak of. It was due to the might of the Roman Empire the word was even able to survive & spread as far as it did.
    We are ALL part of the body of Christ & those of us that treat this issue with indifference will one day pay the price upon our final judgement. We as Christians must love all things God loves including Israel & the Jewish people & one another. Otherwise we're setting ourselves at odds with the creator.

    • JacksonPearson

      "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, And prudent in their own sight!" –Isaiah 5:20-21

    • surfcitysocal

      As a fellow evangelical, I agree with most of what you said, especially that we must love Israel and the Jewish people unequivocally, but I would disagree with you that there wouldn't be a protestant church without a Catholic church. There are evangelical scholars and writers who say that there has always existed a believing "remnant" outside of the Catholic church. Unfortunately, it is the established, organized entity of the Catholic church that is guilty of much of harm that has been done in spreading the Gospel among certain groups, such as Jewish people, who, without missing a heartbeat, when discussing the "church" or Jesus, readily point to the Inquisition. I don't "demonize" the Catholic church, but when I look at the new testament, I see individual churches in various communities, each with their own "personality" and problems, but still having an impact in changing people's hearts: Corinth, Thessalonica, Ephesus, Galatia, etc. There's something to be said for not having a massive, centralized church entity.

      • bluffcreek1967

        Thank you for saying this. I was going to write something similar, but you spared me the need to do so. Once again, true local expressions of the body of Christ have always been around since the time of the early apostles. Although I don't recognize the Roman Catholic Church as an authentic, New Testament church, there are many Catholics within it who genuinely love Christ and whom I consider my brothers and sisters in Christ.

        Protestant and Catholics disagree on many subjects, but most of it boils down to soteriology: the doctrine of salvation – and specifically, the matter of justification.

        • Rainy

          What it really *should* boil down to is Soterology: that Barry Sotero will stab Christians in the back at every turn, using his position as President to spread the poison of political-correctness as much as he can.

    • Jay Hall

      Historically, the Roman Church has been identified by the reformers a being represented in Revelations 17 and 18, The Great Harlot. The Bible is clear about the difference between the superficial "visible" church and the Church infused with His Spirit. The Roman church's doctrines, papal infalibility, that the pope is Christ's sole representative in the earth, the doctrines that deify Mary, the vile practices that led to the reformation, the compulsive "tithe' taken from French peasants that helped fuel the violent French Revolution, are just a few instances of the Roman church abusing it's power and standing. This being said, many reformed fellowships have also gone down this road of giving their oragnization, and not Christ, the pre-eminance, and have refused Jesus' administration of their denomination (See Revelations 2 & 3 on how He administrates His Churches). The visible churches have no desire to combat persecution because they have "fallen away" as outlined in II Thessalonians 2: 3. In the middle east, many of the denominations have embraced "replacement theology" and have persecuted the Jews, and so part of Islam persecuting them is partially due to disobedience and associated with God's chastisement for such (See Hebrews 12: 5-15 & Revelations 3: 19 & 20) the latter a sad story of Jesus knocking to get into His own Church! The failure of Christians to step up is all summed up in the blatant rejection of God's word in favor of teachings that permit the self absorption of "saving one's own life". (Matthew 16: 25). It is a spiritual problem that is only solved by God's people praying for His activity to change each of us by His Spirit. Until then, we will fail to show mercy as God commanded, and the denominational deceptions will only be distinguished by degrees of doctrinal divergence yet resulting in the same failure to act in a godly manner.

      • Winston

        Amen… couldn't have stated it more clearer.

    • ChristFollower

      The Catholic Church was NOT what furthered the gospel. Jesus Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit provided the fact that Christ's Body of believers moved forward and will NEVER be completely eliminated! The Catholic Church is a man made institution that is powerless compared to the Blood of Christ!

    • ChristFollower

      The Catholic Church was NOT what furthered the gospel. Jesus Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit provided the fact that Christ's Body of believers moved forward and will NEVER be completely eliminated! The Catholic Church is a man made institution that is powerless compared to the Blood of Christ! Jesus Christ alone sees that HIS BODY is a powerful force in this world.

    • Supreme_Galooty

      It doesn't matter much whether you and I agree provided we are both of the Body of Christ. Many are called, but few are chosen. Our job is to multiply the numbers called before the choosing so that more can BE chosen.

  • Nancy

    I don't think that Christians in the West don't care, it's more that they feel powerless. I pray for the persecuted churches, but don't know what I can do beyond that. Our own government doesn't even seem to like Christians much. They don't seem to mind some of Old time "mainstream" protestant churches, that have pretty much become apostate churches. As you wrote these are endorsing the wrong side. There are some Christian groups trying do as much as they can.
    Do you have some suggestions of what else we can do? If there is something I can do that would make a difference, I would be happy to it.

    • Charles Wenzel

      Dear Nancy, I believe you have opened the correct avenue of address to "Christian ineffectiveness" against Christ's enemies i.e. evil. The article writer touched upon it, as well, when as a non-Catholic he longed for leadership from anywhere, even a Pope he doesn't believe in. Or a professing-Christian President of the US who has a "bully pulpit" but–like his lamestream media buddies–ignores it.

      In the Old Testament, the people of Israel were devout or apostate depending on the courage, strength and faith of their leaders. Obviously, not being sensitive (attuned) to the Holy Spirit who indwells the Christian who makes up Christ's church, the church NEEDS courageous and effective leadership from SOMEWHERE to funnel the church's powerlessness into effective, Spiritual power. For don't those of us aroused by such an article as this one agree with Nancy's, "Do you have some suggestions…? something I can do that would make a difference, I would be happy to do it."

      [Note the 'double-sided coin' as to my "effective leadership from SOMEWHERE...." plea. Out of the vacuum of the church's powerlessness {Revelation 3:15 "neither hot nor cold"} against evil could come the Antichrist "to the rescue on a white horse" 2 Thessalonians 2:7-8. It appears that these are the "perilous times" spoken of in 2 Timothy 3:1-5.]

    • M. Michel

      Christians are indeed unable to do much, other than to make some donations to a few Christian
      organizations who try to provide help to Christian families and individuals seeking aid. Part of the
      problem is the fact that there are so many different protestant Christian groups all over the Western
      World today. It would be much easier to work together and achieve results if Christians were only
      protestant or cathotic. Reading about the daily discrimination and torture the Christians in Egypt,
      other middle-east and African countries are going through is heart-breaking! I think the only hope
      is that our Western Civilization at last wakes up to the threat of the ultimate Islam goal:
      World Domination. This is where it is now heading in the middle-east and Africa. Europe will be next,
      followed by North and South America.

    • surfcitysocal

      This is the second distressing article I've read in Front Page outlining how some Christians, or rather, most likely, those claiming to be, don't support Israel and the Jewish people. And it breaks my heart that many American Christians apparently seem to be oblivious that believers in other countries are suffering. I've found the ALCJ, or American Center for Law and Justice ( http://aclj.org/ ), to be very informative as to not only issues of importance to believers here, but persecuted believers in other countries, such as the two pastors in Iran, Nadarkhani, and Saeed, both jailed for their faith. What's interesting to me is that as we seem to see a closing of hearts here in America, God seems to be working in surprising places, opening hearts, like in Iran, that despite persecution, there is a strong, growing home church movement that is making the Iranian government nervous to the point where they're throwing people in jail to try and stem it.

    • AnOrdinaryMan

      Join ACT for America; many of their members are Christian. You'll meet like-minded people, and they give you opportunities to help put a damper on creeping Sharia, et al.

    • Pam

      Hi Nancy,

      Yes there is you can go to Persecution.com. there is so much more we can do.

      Prayer is an excellent weapon, however, I repeat there is so much more we can do with our actions as well, Jesus spoke of it.

    • Boogie's Daddy

      Don't feel badly that you can only pray. Prayer is the only real tool that has any effect at all. That is exactly why "men ought always to pray", "Pray without ceasing" are common threads throughout the teachings of Christ. We are in a Spirit War. See Ephesians. See Daniel!!! God is the same Yesterday, Today and Forever.
      Pray, Pray, Pray! Pray in Jesus' name. Claim the authority we have been granted by being adopted into Christ's body.
      The reason evil is prevalent is because Christians do NOT pray effectively. Most Christians are in effect "wishing" when they pray because they do not understand the power available and have not realized God in their lives. it's akin to throwing arrows at a target without bothering to string a bow or even learn what the bow is capable of dong when combined with a razor sharp arrow.
      We have been given All Power to defeat evil NOW.

  • truebearing

    Maybe the answer is something that "Christians" don't want to hear….that many Christians are really Christians in name only. In other words, they aren't Christians at all, but self-righteous, judgemental, opportunistic frauds.Their posturing is basically hedging their bet so they look good, or get to heaven. Maybe we should call them narcissistic Christians….or perhaps just narcissists.

    Where in the Gospels did it say that Catholicism was the true church, or that Baptists were the righteous ones? Where did Jesus endorse judgmentalism or suggest his followers indulge in deciding who will go to hell? Where did Jesus incite people to hate Jews? He obviously didn't, and all of that sectarian stupidity is as big a sin as any other.

    • Al Zanco

      It sounds like you're more of a liberal than a Christian. While you indulge in Catholic bashing, the Muslims are chopping heads off and Obama is giving them jet fighters. While Hollywood does its best daily to destroy moral values, you criticize Baptists. The Episcopervians install sodomite bishops, but that apparently doesn't bother you.

      • Graeme Thompson

        Al Zanco, you really are over eager to see the worse in others.

        Was Joseph 'more of a liberal than a Christian' when he thought Mary had been unfaithful but instead of having her exposed to public humiliation, as would have been his right under law I believe, instead resolved to divorce her quietly?

        Being overeager to see the worse in others to make yourself feel superior is the road to damnation, believe me.

        • Al Zanco

          Graeme Thompson, you break me up :) You post your little insults to me while claiming to be non-judgmental. It's not I who feels superior, but you. However, I don't want to unnecessarily muddy the waters here, so I'll leave it at that for now.

      • truebearing

        Yeah, I'm really liberal.
        Try reading my comment again. You missed my point entirely. I wasn't bashing any one Christian sect, but pointing out that the Gospels did not have a list of approved denominations, nor does any denomination have the right to judge other denominations. The teachings of Christ are recorded in the Gospels,, and that is the source of Christianity.

        • Al Zanco

          truebearing, I did not miss your point but I submit to you again that Christian infighting only works to the advantage of the enemies of Christianity. Why should you care what the Pope says if you are not Catholic? That's not something to be delving into in relation to an article which is precisely about lack of unity among Christians. The enemy is very well versed in how to divide and conquer.

        • Al Zanco

          I'll tell you what, TB, I apologize for calling you a liberal. That is a dirty insult which you don't deserve :) Also, I probably agree with you more so than not. But this is a political site and I will take an ally of any denomination, as long as we can be united against the true enemy.

    • Cozette

      I thought we're "ONE CHURCH"? Our Saviour isn't going to let this injustice last much longer. What good is a house divided? Somehow, we've got to use our resources to help each other, before they take shut down our communication system.

      • Al Zanco

        I wouldn't doubt that the Obama gang, with Napolitano and Holder at the forefront, would love to shut down any conservative Christian site. Just imagine what some FOIA requests would produce… except that they would stonewall the whole thing forever, being the "most transparent administration in history" and all. The MSM sure wouldn't help.

  • truebearing

    Christianity isn't a lifelong, or should I say eternal, membership. Belonging to a church may qualify you as a Methodist, in some specific way, but doesn't mean you are automatically a Christian. One becomes a Christian when acting according to Christian teachings, and ceases being a Christian when failing to act according to the Gospel. The selfishness and lack of compassion inherent in ignoring the persecution of Christians disqualifies one, in my opinion, from being able to legitimately call oneself a Christian.

    It's rather easy to be a Muslim. Commit virtually any act in the name of Islam and you are a good Muslim, even if, or should I say especially if, that act is to kill someone of another faith. According to the teachings of the Quran, a "good" Muslim is a violent, ruthless sociopath.

    A good Christian has a far more difficult path, and that path demands that evil be rejected, forgiveness practiced, and compassion ever-present. Ignoring or defending evil, while having no compassion for people being raped, tortured, and murdered seems to me to be an automatic disqualification. Where did Jesus promote callous indifference to suffering?

    • Charles Wenzel

      (Since "truebearing" wrote this some 5 hours ago I may not be speaking to him) It doesn't aide a solution to the "Christian problem" of being divided and ineffective against evil in the world to confuse things further with the communication of a faulty Gospel.

      If by 'Christianity' the writer means "born again": being indwelt by the Holy Spirit ("Now if any have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His." Romans 8:9), it IS most certainly "a lifelong…eternal, membership." And, yes, church membership or affiliation is INconsequential (John 1:13).

      As to the writer's, "One becomes a Christian when acting according to Christian teachings, and ceases being a Christian when failing to act…." is confused and not according to God's own words: Titus 3:5 "Not by works of righteousness which we have done…." But it is also per His word that, "Ye shall know them by their fruit," rather one is in-Christ or not in the Christian's walk of sanctification.

      Many–if not most–of modern-day Christians will be ashamed "at His appearing," our works tried and burnt up, but–because He cannot deny Himself i.e. His word–"he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." 1Corinthians 3:15

      When our fires of passion burn smokey, not clean, it ultimately produces what the article spoke of when the point of the bloody picture of Jesus was missed and only an icon was seen: blindness and confusion, which are works of the devil and how he "gets in."

      • truebearing

        You didn't understand what I wrote. My comment about a "lifelong membership" was addressing those who join a church and think they are therefore guaranteed eternity in heaven.

        I assume you are arguing that following Christ's teaching is merely doing good deeds, which I certainly didn't suggest. The "fruit" you speak of is the outcome of acting in harmony with the will of God. You appear to be contradicting yourself.

        When our clarity is obscured in the smoke of self-righteousness, few will understand what we are trying to say.

        • Boogies Daddy

          The scriptures he included made it perfectly clear that merely doing good deeds is not following Christ's teachings. Yet, by following Christ's teachings you cannot help but be doing good things and find yourself in Heaven..
          Big difference.
          These little things are what leads to splits in the Body of Christ.

          • truebearing

            If one follows Christ's teachings, they will be doing ALL of the things he expects his followers to do, not just doing good deeds. My point was, and still is, that too many "Christians" claim membership but don't follow the teachings.

      • truebearing

        Just to clarify, I include myself in the group that deserves some criticism.

    • Drakken

      If you want to fight the evil that islam is the poster child for, your going to have to get downright medieval with the religion of pieces, anything else is lip service, hand wringing and downright cowerdice. The bottom line is, turning the other cheek in response to islamic aggression and murder is no longer an option, we are going to have to fight back with a Serbian like response.

      • bluffcreek1967

        What you have said is VERY true. We have reached a point with Islam when not only should Christians worldwide unite (in spite of our theological differences) to counter the Islamic threat, but even violent means should be employed that are defensive in nature. The Bible does permit Christians to protect themselves, and Jesus' statement to "turn the other cheek" are in the context of normal, everyday relations where we do not personally retaliate against others. It has nothing to do when an entire religion and group of people seeks to destroy and enslave another group of people.

        • Graeme Thompson

          Christ's disciples carried swords to defend themselves from theives, so clearly lethal force is a Christian option.

          I get the impression though from Drakken that he views Christianity more as a cultural identity than a faith. Slobadan Milosevic would not be my role model in applying military force.

          However, if funds were raised to finance Christian defence militias in the Middle East, I would donate.

          • Trevor

            "Christ's disciples carried swords to defend themselves from theives, so clearly lethal force is a Christian option."

            And what was Jesus's thoughts on that?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "And what was Jesus's thoughts on that?"

            Ask him yourself but don't expect anyone to trust your delusional answer.

            Carrying a sword in defense is not "living by the sword" in case you try that one.

      • Boogies Daddy

        The church absolutely has gone the Midievil route….back in Midievil times. How did that work out. It will always be thus. Satan will not change his nature even if you killed every Muslim on the planet. There will simply be a different target to go after….probably a different Christian sect?
        God has not changed either.
        Brothers and Sisters we struggle not with flesh and blood but with Principalities and Powers of Darkness. A Spirit War needs fighting in Spirit realms.

        • Drakken

          Go helps them who helps themselves, so your going to have to forgive me while I don't go quietly into the night praying that the muslims don';t slaughter me and mine, I prefer the old testiment version, so you go ahead an pray, I'll pray and carry a very big sword.

          • Boogies Daddy

            Did you mean: "God help those who help themselves"……Please include the scripture that backs up that statement. It doesn't exist outside of Hollywood. It's one of the "would be attitudes".
            Please re-examine the Old Testament.
            Any time the Israelites helped themselves and just went out to battle they got their butts kicked. They only won after they humbled themselves, asked God's guidance, and followed it to the letter.
            Oftentimes they never had to fight: At Jericho they send the marching band for cryin' out loud. Could it be any more plain?

        • defcon 4

          Let's all go to San Francisco, with flowers in our hair… All islamofascists need is a big group hug.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Let's all go to San Francisco, with flowers in our hair… All islamofascists need is a big group hug."

            Right. And how long does that hug have to last before it reaps any results in favor of that elusive peace? Oh yes, the "peace" of Islamic submission to sharia. That's what we have to look forward to when hugging them.

  • http://www.adinakutnicki.com AdinaK

    There are an overwhelming amount of liberal/multi-culti psychotic churches ( as well as synagogues) which have little use for their own people, but will raise the roof about "the other", just as long as that "aggrieved" group is considered third world.
    Moreover, by placating the Islamic beast, they truly believe they will keep it at bay. NEWSFLASH: it ain't gonna work. Besides, their red alliance, with the green banner of Islam, will upend the west – http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/10/17/when-is-the-u

    Adina Kutnicki, Israel http://adinakutnicki.com/about/

  • Ron

    There are ministries like Voice of the Martyrs that publish news from around the world AND ALSO help persecuted Christians in many tangible ways. See &lt ;http://www.persecution.com>.

  • Ron

    The correct web address is &lt ;http://www.persecution.com> .

  • Ron

    Sorry about previous bad links. The address is http://www.persecution.com

  • Paul B

    The allegiance between Christians and government in the US is ending, and our own persecution is well on its way. Increasingly we will be more aware of the suffering of our brothers and sisters abroad.

    • Looking4Sanity

      Indeed. As dear old Mom always says, "It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye". Troubles become greatly clarified when they land at your own front door.

      Just look at all the hand wringing bleeding hearts who bemoan the loss at Newtown, CT. Where is their outrage over the fifty million murdered babies slaughtered by government funded abortion?

      • Questions

        Almost no abortion is "government-funded." And abortion was quite commone BEFORE Roe v. Wade.

        • Looking4Sanity

          The problem with those lies is that you can't prove either of them.

    • Questions

      There was never any "allegiance" between the government and Christian churches. As it should be. But for the record, we must raise our voices in protest against islamic atrocities.

      • Looking4Sanity

        I pledge "allegiance" to the flag,
        of the United States of America;
        and to the Republic, for which it stands.

        One Nation, under God. Indivisible;
        with Liberty and Justice for all.

    • dognamedbo

      You are absolutely correct. Thank you

  • Rey Cabrera

    Than you, for voicing my concern.

  • SSmith

    Some Christian charities such as Open Doors collect for persecuted Christians. The latest campaign is for Syrian Christians. Give what you can.
    Also remind everyone you know what is happening under our noses, just not in our back yards ( yet)

  • Chanameel

    Where is the mainstreatm news media???????

    It most certainly would wake Christians up

    , but they don't even know that this is happening because

    it is NOT being published in major media outlets.

    Muslims are the cause of over 20 major wars today.

    " We all have seen Chesed run amok. It is the ultra-liberal who weeps more for the crimminal than for the victim; it is the parents who cannot ever bring themselves to discipline their children." Where Chesed forgives and forgets, Gvurah is a strict and wrathful disciplinarian, Gvurah, run amok, without Chesed's balance, becomes the tyranny of a police state." Taming Chaos Rav Berg

    And that is what is of utmost concern.

    • stern

      To me, this is so reminiscent of the NY Times during the Holocaust. I think it's time for Christians to start calling on their governments to do something. No more silent majority, folks! Preach, write letters to the editor, contact your congressman, MAKE NOISE! At least you have the numbers, which we Jews never did.

      • WilliamJamesWard

        Just a pinch of salt makes it better……………..William

  • gsk

    Very good summary, Mr Finch. Nina Shea just set up a new persecution aggregator: persecutionreport.org. @Truebearing has a good point: those who have not really grasped the truth of the [Christian] faith they inherited are quite prone to the multi-cultural nonsense that surrounds them. But that said, those who do understand what it means to follow Christ know that persecution is a part of it.

    In the end, those who suffer for the Name are the martyrs of God, but those who ignore His suffering members are ignoring the fundamental demands of their faith. We must do better!
    http://feminine-genius.typepad.com/morning_star/

  • Cassandra

    I have read all the above comments to your article and all of them are good and to the point. I am a catholic Christian and I have tried all my life to follow Christ teachings. In fact in my family my sisters always said that Bonnie is the one who forgives. I am not trying to be righteous in saying that, it is true I forgive. But when I see what is happening around the world with Christians now I am deeply sadden and it is getting harder for me to forgive bad deeds. I do not care if you are a Methodist ore a Presbyterian or a Baptist or a Catholic you are a CHRISTIANS. You are a followers of Christ. And if you are Jewish you follow the teaching of the Torah. Recently I told my grand son ,at Easter , because he was asking me what the story of Easter is I told him that Christ was Jewish and all his friends and family were Jewish. I told him why Christ died on the cross but I also told him that The JudeoChristians doctrines are intertwined and cannot be severed. We Are in fact JudeoChristians. Once in a while I go to a synagogue , I also go to a catholic church and was invited recently to a Methodist church. The message is the same everywhere. Love and not hate. So now to go back to the article above and why Christians are so ununited. Lets start with the pope first. he is a pathetic pope. Catholics cannot count on him to help them and he will support interfaith . Interfaith is fine between Christians, Buddhist, Jews and Hindus but it is not fine with Muslims. The Muslims cannot bring anything to the interfaith table because their ideology/religion does not permit it.It is based on submission and on hate for the unbelievers.
    Christians have not totally given up on their faith but it is becoming harder and harder for them in a world that attacks them from all sides. As a Catholic a I do not believe in the pope anymore, as a Christian I still believe that they are people out there who care. But as in the comments above what can we do except praying for the persecution of our brothers and sisters in Christ. Islam is a scourge some of us know that.Communism is another scourge. It is a bad time for Christians of all faith and other non Muslim faiths. We must try not to get discourage and continue to fight the best we can.

    • dognamedboo

      And you know Pope Francis is a useless Pope because…? You have no clue. …from a practicing Catholic…

  • mlcblog

    True Christians have their eyes on things above as well as personal salvation on an individual basis. This, among other points of focus (forgive your enemies, do not retaliate but suffer instead with faith in God) are ideas that seem foreign and, indeed, even offend others, just as Christ himself said would happen. The hard part for me is being judged by those who have a whole list of things they thing we Christians should think or do. As for me, I shall stick with the Lord himself and continue to study him and his ways for me.

    Of course we care about people — in all situations, and their eternal and present well-being! The world will not understand us. Jesus was careful to point that out to us. However, I too decry the disgusting division in some sects, as in tracts abhorring Rome. They remind me of the Pharisees of old but worse. People who would make rules for others that they cannot follow themselves. Bottom line, we are each accountable.

  • Emi

    The situaion is the same in Nigeria.We need to raise the attention of Christians all over the world to the assault,especially leaders of the various denominations.If there is a way of reaching them,gathering their contact addresses,e mail or calling for regional Christian forums.Let Christians speak with one voice.Let cry to God with one voice and He that seats in heaven shall laugh His enemies to scorn.However dont expect deliverance from any man but the Holy Spirit.God bless.

    • WilliamJamesWard

      It is also the same in Congo and probably the entire African Continent, Christian Missionaries
      take up thier Cross daily and put thier lives on the line, over the past few decades I can not
      count the times my friends had to flee and return to pillage, death and destruction. They
      go on and are amazing in deeds of Christian Charity while being practical and truly making
      changes in growing Churches. Christians are there trying to do the work of changing the
      offenders and to some extent are successful even in these times of great upheaval where
      the Gospel is more powerful, espescially under persecution. ………………William

  • stern

    Calling Desmond Tutu! Instead of lying about Israel, open your eyes to what's really happening!

    • WilliamJamesWard

      It is a shame what he does…………………….William

    • Omar

      Desmond Tutu is a weird case. He opposes Israel's right to defend itself against unprovoked radical Islamist totalitarian attacks, yet he also supports the human rights of the Tibetans (he is a friend of the Dalai Lama). While Tutu opposes the West's foreign policy issues in the modern world, he also supports the rights of dissidents in repressive regimes like China. I'm guessing that he's pro-dissident regardless of country?

    • Drakken

      That lying snake is so anti-western that he sides with the worst evil there is. Eff him sideways!

  • Raymond

    As a member of a liberal denomination, there is 100% silence on violence against Christians overseas. And the mainstream media is almost totally silent, so what chance do Christians have of learning about Islamic violence against Christians (99% of it comes from Islam). Whenever Muslims are referred to, the immediate reaction is they are wonderful people, just as good as Christians. So you see, I have my work cut out for me. Why should I be the enlightened one? Why not me?

    • Winston

      You are in the wrong body of believers if that is the typical situation.

      • Boogies daddy

        Amen! Stand up and proclaim truth in your own church. As they usher you out "shake the dirt off your shoes" and find a body where you can be fed Truth!
        I cannot count the number of churches my family went to looking for a Bible teaching church. Thanks, Dad for being stubborn for Christ!

      • mbkg

        This is the case in the United Methodist, Episcopal USA, Presbyterian in America, ELCA Lutheran, and United Church of Christ denominations.

  • Mo_

    Just as a side note, not all those who claim to be Christians actually are. After all, doesn't Obama still claim to be a Christian?

    Another problem is a lack of knowledge and a feeling of powerlessness. I think many times Christians do feel deep sadness over this and do long to help, but we just don't know how!

  • Jaladhi

    Muslims are persecuting, kidnapping, raping and looting all non-Muslims living in Muslim lands(in many cases they have looted the lands from non-Muslims and made it their own). We should be focussing on plight of all non-Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, Sikhs, Bahais, etc, living in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Iran, Indonesia, Malaysia, many African countries such as Nigeria, Somalia, Mali and on and on in Middle East – Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Yemen,..There isn't a Muslim country in this world where Muslims allow non-Muslims to live peacefully without the fear of being raped, kidnapped, looted and murdered unless they convert.

    And the irony is we allow Muslims to come to all non-Muslim countries where they import the brutality and cruelty Islam with rhem.

    Stop Muslim immigration into our countries and hold all Muslims responsible for the atrocities committed by Muslims all over the world. To hell with political correctness – Muslims are not wanted in our lands. Period.

    • Vik

      think this is the wrong attitude my friend. God created all men, He loves us all (though we are not worthy) and He wishes none to perish. we should be praying for their salvation too! It's the belief system that must be debunked not the misguided believer. Again God created us all!

      • Drakken

        Well vik, you forgot one of Gods rules, render unto Ceasar what is Ceasars and render unto God what is Gods. So we have every bloody right to control who comes into our nations.

  • Jaladhi

    Our main stream media plays a significant role in shaping the public opinion on the subject as they never report the Muslim atrocities committed all over the world. In fact they go out of their way to hide such reports unless the event is so big it is classsified as a huge terror attack against us and it is impossible to hide it. They will never reort the daily occurrence of Muslim attrocities against non-Muslims. on the other hand if find even unsubstantiated report of some Muslim being affected by any crime they will make it a headline(I am slightly exaggerating it but you know they do it a significant degree). Shame on our mediawhich worships on the alter of PC and never tells the truth about Muslims!!

    • mbkg

      The MSM is indeed the primary reason for this Christian "indifference," which is better characterized by Christian "ignorance."

      Christians are guilty of allowing themselves to be — like their agnostic neighbors — passive recipients of secular Progressive news from Progressive wire sources and secular local outlets.

      The local church should point its flock towards Christians news sources and those secular news sources which are politically conservative and sympathetic to Christianity and Jews.

  • Mel

    Most Christians of all denominations in the West can't empathize because we are still blinded by the pursuit of materialism and financial riches. Western Christians worry more about the size and comforts of their church buildings than the state of their souls; more about the economy than the fact that evil is gaining ground. Christians have been duped into thinking that material prosperity is a sign of God's endorsement on our culture of sin. We have become the Church of Laodicea. When one's life is absorbed in the status of his/her bank account, its hard to find empathy with the Christian girl being gang raped in Egypt or the Christian school children being bombed in Sudan. To do so would force us to move from our comfort zone. "You can not serve God and mammon"

    • Jode

      some do see what is really going on as our countries people are nudged toward collectivism. Why we keep electing politicians that do this is beyond my understanding, Mel.

    • Jim

      What you said is 100% correct. The atmosphere of mainline Christianity is causing it to shrink into obscurity.

  • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ JasonPappas

    The reason is far less complicated: “love thy enemy.” Christians believe in the altruistic doctrine to put others first. The “other” comes before self, kin, and country. We sacrificed Americans fighters in Iraq to help Muslims while we turned our back on the suffering Christians. Bush didn’t hate Catholics or Orthodox Christians. They just weren’t “other” enough. It’s selfish to help one’s own.

    • AnOrdinaryMan

      But is it truly moral to put the interests of "the others" above the interests of your own kind? Especially when they're trying to kill you? That's what the IDF does when they fight wars; they fight in such a way that Palestinian civilian casualties are kept to a bare minimum, regardless of whether IDF soldier's lives are endangered. THAT isn't right; because it sends the message that Palestinian lives are worth more than those of IDF soldiers. Jesus may have said, "Love thy enemy," but not to the point of allowing them to kill you.

      • Boogies Daddy

        Moral? Their interests…Our kind's interests….Both are dung in God's eyes. Only His interests matter in eternity and that is what is at stake for everyone.

        Eliminate all categories of "them" and "their interests" and you still have to come to personal terms with God. Christ's favorite law: "Love others as God loves you!"

        You are locked in a physical fight in the middle of a Spiritual War. Pray for your enemies. You will be hard pressed to find a more on fire Christian than a Muslim who has been set free by God's Grace.

        • Drakken

          Well sunshine you go ahead and let the muslim savages slaughter you and live with your concience, others like me won't go quietly into the night. It is us versus them, it is that simple. Folks like you pacifist always amaze me in your zeal to go into mass graves without so much as a whimper.

          • Boogies Daddy

            I was talking about Christs teaching. He either had it right or He didn't.
            In Christian culture it is generally accepted that Christ was a fair example of how to live and die.
            In truth I have no more zeal to die than Christ did. In truth it would be much easier for me to fight than to be martyred. Heck, It would be easier to fight than to witness Christ's love. Much easier.
            But is that where you think the martyrs went? To their graves?
            Christ taught that once I am slaughtered I will be forever with the Father covered with Christ's Glory!!!!.
            Go ahead, Barabas, Kill 'em all. Kill my share too! You will be no closer to Him than you are right now. You may even be called a hero for as long as the planet remains. What is your eternal purpose? To do God's will and please the Father or to keep from being slaughtered?
            I believe that God is who He claims He is.
            I believe that He sent His innocent Son to "be slaughtered" like a sheep in order to teach us something. "Love your enemies" is part of that. Maybe God isn't as clever as you? Maybe Christ could have used some couseling from Drakken?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Go ahead, Barabas, Kill 'em all. Kill my share too! You will be no closer to Him than you are right now. You may even be called a hero for as long as the planet remains. What is your eternal purpose? To do God's will and please the Father or to keep from being slaughtered?"

            Barabas? We're talking about judicial violence, not anarchy. You're talking about personal behavior and we're talking about the politics of religious oppression with threats to our entire way of life. It's not actually personal.

        • AnOrdinaryMan

          No, we aren't "dung" in Hashem's eyes. Hashem gave man free will; once you come to personal terms with Him, He expects you to use that free will in ways that do the most good, and the least harm. THAT includes self-defense. However, while your last sentence makes sense, I pray for Israel and America, and let the rest of the fools pray for whomever they choose.

          • Boogies Daddy

            I didn't say humans are dung in God's eyes. Your attachment to this life is though. Try thinking in eternal terms.
            God commands that we pray for our enemies. You seem to be saying that people who do are fools? I don't believe you know Him.
            But if you think for a second that He is not interested in the salvation of the Muslim prisoners of Satan as much as He is interested in YOUR salvation you clearly do NOT know him. And worse than that, God does not know YOU.
            Islam has bloomed precisely because men prefer to fight with the flesh and refuse to be obedient, humble themselvess and pray.
            I cannot find a single incident in the Bible where men refused God's cousel or commands and anything worked out.

            In ten thousand years the choice you make will still matter.
            I challenge you and your church to select a Muslin cleric to specifically target for fervent prayer.

          • AnOrdinaryMan

            You are a religious fanatic, and quite clearly insane.

          • Boogies Daddy

            What would you have me do deny Christ and take up arms? Yet another Crusade?
            What was that definition of insanity again?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "God commands that we pray for our enemies."

            For their repentance.

          • defcon 4

            You can't "pray for your enemies" when you're dead.

    • Graeme Thompson

      Hi, interesting point, and like so many Biblical teachings needs to be taken in the round to fully understand it.

      From my reading of Scripture, I pray first for exhortation in faith for the saints and secondly for salvation for sinners. Our priority must be our brothers and sisters in Christ. When in the days of the early Church the brethren were suffering famine, collections were made for them, not for others. Those outside of the Church we help is by God's love and grace, but our priority must always be the brethren.

      Surely this must be reflected when we see the horrendous suffering that our brothers and sisters endure in the Muslim world?

      Martyrdom is something we must endure if called to it, but it certainly isn't something we should court, and above all, isn't something we should court for others and look the other way from the safety of our comfy armchairs and kid ourselves we are being 'holy' in doing so.

      What can we do in the West, as our own nascent persecution becomes ever more evident?

      We pray. We pray for the suffering Church that knows what real suffering is, and we do what we can as the Lord leads us.

  • Winston

    Personally, and it's by observation in many churches, most churches are all about themselves and their own little programs. There's more attention given to church pastors being "hip" and creative for "hype". I seldom if ever hear a pastor's call to serious intercessory prayer for our Christian brothers and sisters in foreign lands. Some churches do ask for tithing or financial gifts for missionary support, but not for our brothers and sisters who may have been driven from their homes and are starving. They leave the "heavy" stuff to specialized missions groups who beg for money to help…. and then we do not know how much of that money actually goes to those in need but to "administrative" costs. We all should be praying for our fellow believers in Christ around the world…not just for our own selfish needs. And, when we write a check or fill out a tithing envelope in church we must indidate "targeted giving" to foreign missions and check on that periodically for an accounting as to the disbursements.

    • Jim

      You said it perfectly.

    • Boogies Daddy

      Note to self: …….and then get out there and serve the sinners who are in chains. Could be your next door neighbor?.

  • Looking4Sanity

    Matthew 7: 13: Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
    14: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

    • 4_Constitution

      HT to the Zippers.
      http://weaselzippers.us/2013/04/12/pic-empty-rese

      TGIF! I tell ya, if Bush was in power, he would have bombed the NORKs already. He also was very supportive of Christians worldwide.

      I'm preparing myself spiritually, mentally and physically for the persecutions of Christians in the USSA. "I can do ALL things through Christ."

      • Looking4Sanity

        To every thing there is a season. This is the season of reaping and harvest by my reckoning.

        • defcon 4

          It's time to gather stones together.

          • Looking4Sanity

            That's a rather cryptic statement, as it stands.

          • Looking4Sanity

            That's a rather cryptic statement, as it stands.

          • 4_Constitution

            I just heard on Fox that SCOTUS will NOT hear a case against the gun control laws in NY and I am not shocked. Watch the mass exodus from NY this year.

          • Looking4Sanity

            SCOTUS has become a cabal of cowardly lapdogs for the regime. Justice is dead and Liberty is dying. The end can't be far off.

          • 4_Constitution

            I'm just waiting for that trumpet to sound!

          • 4_Constitution

            I think what's happening with gold today is interesting.

          • Looking4Sanity

            Looks like a good day to buy!

          • 4_Constitution

            God is surely warning people that the Mark of the Beast is coming and no amount of currency is going to save them from having to make that decision.

    • 4_Constitution

      HT to the Zippers.
      http://weaselzippers.us/2013/04/12/pic-empty-rese

      TGIF! I tell ya, if Bush was in power, he would have bombed the NORKs already. He also was very supportive of Christians worldwide.

      I'm preparing myself spiritually, mentally and physically for the persecutions of Christians in the USSA. "I can do ALL things through Christ."

    • 4_Constitution

      HT to the Zippers.
      http://weaselzippers.us/2013/04/12/pic-empty-rese

      TGIF! I tell ya, if Bush was in power, he would have bombed the NORKs already. He also was very supportive of Christians worldwide.

      I'm preparing myself spiritually, mentally and physically for the persecutions of Christians in the USSA. "I can do ALL things through Christ."

    • JacksonPearson

      Christianity is more than a discussion of pictures and symbols, though Christ Himself furnished us with one of the most powerful statements of His identity, using imagery. "Jesus saith unto him, I am The Way, The Truth, and The Life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me" (John 14:6). What is the origin of the Christian fish symbol? We are told that the Early Christians used the sign of the fish for identification, especially in times of Roman persecution, where a cautious Christian might scribe on the ground the top arc of the fish, awaiting the respondent to draw the countersign of the bottom arc, sketching the fish symbol, thus completing the password. "Safety is of the LORD" (Proverbs 21:31). Why the identification with the fish? Perhaps because the Apostles were told that the LORD Jesus Christ promised to make them "fishers of men" (Matthew 4:19). Since the Early Christians were identified as followers of "that Way" (Acts 19:9, 23; 24:22), it could be construed that they would also be fishers of men. "I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some" (1Corinthians 9:22).

      • Looking4Sanity

        Blessed be the Word of the Lord. Amen. Let those who have ears, hear; and eyes, see. Time grows short.

        • JacksonPearson

          John, the most passionate of the Savior’s disciples, composed these stirring words:

          “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. Whoever receives Him, He gives the right to become His children, even to those who believe in Him. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through Him. He who believes in Him is no longer judged.”

          • Looking4Sanity

            My favorite Apostle…the one with the guts to stand at the cross when the rest could not bear it. Is it any wonder that he was the only one who was not martyred?I am also fond of Paul. The truth abode in him and he made the distinction between his opinion and the revealed Gospel.

          • JacksonPearson

            John was the closest to Jesus of all the Apostles. He baptized Jesus.

            I've added, and pray the "Seven Sorrows of Mary" every night. Why?…Because it showed the agonies that she went through from the First Sorrow, the Prophecy of Simeon, to the Seventh Sorrow, of her witnessing his burial in a tomb.

          • Looking4Sanity

            Sorry, Jackson, but that was John the Baptist…a much older man than the Apostle John. John the Baptist, who baptized Jesus, was beheaded. John the Apostle died of old age.There is a lot of confusion of identity associated with the Bible in that respect. There were a lot of James', John's and others. It's a common mis-identification that I've fallen prey to many times myself. I mean you no disrespect by pointing this out. You are certainly more concerned with Scripture than many I've spoken with on line…much to your credit. The Spirit is obviously on you, or you would have no truck with the conversation to begin with. Forgive my public correction, I beg you, and may Peace be with you.

          • JacksonPearson

            My bad. I'm going to have to go back and do more studying. No problem correcting me on scripture, because I read some every evening, and am always open to reproof. Biblical scripture isn't always the easiest to understand, but if I continue to pick away at it, than someday I'll get there.

            I thought John the Baptist was the same as John the Apostle that was on Patmos Island….I'll get the story straight yet.

          • Looking4Sanity

            One of the “problems” with the New Testament is that you've got the same story told over and over from different perspectives. That CAN get a little confusing, although it gives great insight into the personality and character of the different disciples.My own mother told me today that the disciple, James, was Jesus' brother. I'm ashamed to say that I had to look it up before I felt confident enough to refute her. Jesus did indeed have a younger brother named James, but it was not James the disciple. Sometimes our memories play tricks on us. One more reason to continually study the Word…as if any of us needed a better one than the most obvious one!

          • onepornqueen

            What?

          • JacksonPearson

            Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner…
            I finally did get John the Baptist and John the Apostle straight, so all wasn't a lose.

            I'm still working on the Joseph's, e,g, Mary and Joseph separated from Joseph of Arimathea. When it comes to Biblical lineage, I literally get lost, and start skipping pages. LOL, I can classify myself as a work in progress. I learn something new everyday.

          • Trevor

            The way i've found to learn is to kneel in silence first thing in the morning in the presence of the Holy Spirit. After that i read and i find it helps some in understanding the mind of God.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "The way i've found to learn is to kneel in silence first thing in the morning in the presence of the Holy Spirit. After that i read and i find it helps some in understanding the mind of God."

            You've got the wrong channel. Or you're simply mocking sincere people. Either way, you're in big trouble as of this moment.

            Trouble-making troll posing as a Bible believer? That's very interesting.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "The way i've found to learn is to kneel in silence first thing in the morning in the presence of the Holy Spirit."

            What you really mean is: The way I've found to learn is to kneel in silence first thing in the morning in the presence of the "Holy Spirit" where allah instructs me on the evils of non-Muslims, especially Christians and Jews who have perverted the holy texts of allah.

            Jihadis behave just like you.

          • Looking4Sanity

            I wonder if his instructions come with a free prayer rug and a compass?

          • Trevor

            Satan is using you as tool for hate. I'd repent if i were you.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Satan is using you as tool for hate. I'd repent if i were you."

            Nice come back. I only hate Satan. You support him. I don't even hate you. I pity you.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Man came to earth, raped a 13 year old Palestinian girl, to impregnate her with himself."

            Yeah, that's it. You can't be projecting the ugliness of your own thoughts. And there were no "Palestinians" then…at all.

            "Think about how stupid that story sounds."

            You do come across as extremely stupid for sure.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "I did not say they were Arab Palestinians. They were Jews living in Palestine. I.E. Palestinians dumbass."

            You're obviously not a mind reader either. There were no Palestinians at all at that time. It's anachronistic for you to suggest it. The concept of Palestine or "Syria Palæstina" did not exist until long after Jesus was crucified.

            But that's trivial compared to your other nonsense. Don't project your stupidity on to others. You'll waste your whole life that way.

          • Trevor

            ""Syria Palæstina" did not exist until long after Jesus was crucified."

            Golly gosh. We have been over this before. The term Palestine was in use 5 BC. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your bitterness.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "The term Palestine was in use 5 BC."

            Trevor Twit. You've got nothing left but troll tactics. Obviously you have no way to show what I've said is wrong so you expect people to get suckered by the existence of "Philistines" who were not "Palestinian" and there is no way that any Jew in Judea would be referred to as Palestinian before the 2nd century AD even if someone started to do that the moment the Romans renamed the province.

            I only bother repeating myself for the sake of others who might be as ignorant as you are, but who still have a chance to learn the facts. You've already proved that you're hopeless.

            I do appreciate you chiming in frequently with your ignorance because it justifies my repetition of the facts, which does help somewhat in fighting the stupidity we see among so many people like you today.

            How about this? Why don't you cite some of your references and we'll argue back and forth for a spell all over again. We'll make that a weekly feature here and it will be like having my own column.

          • Trevor

            Oh you really are thick. I'm pretty sure the people who referred to the region as Palestine would refer to the inhabitants as Palestinians.

          • defcon 4

            Duh, the Romans coined the term Palestine, not the people who LIVED there, who WERE Jewish, not ARAB.

          • Trevor

            Who said it was the people who lived there?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "I'm pretty sure the people who referred to the region as Palestine would refer to the inhabitants as Palestinians."

            That's just how stupid you are. They didn't refer to it as Palestine at that time. Can you read at all?

            The challenge still stands, my twitchy little troll.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Golly gosh. We have been over this before. The term Palestine was in use 5 BC. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your bitterness."

            The term troll has been in use long before you were born. What's the point then? I can refer to anyone as a troll and pretend to be citing important history?

            You're saying that Mary, mother of Jesus was Palestinian? If you insist on being that stupid even after the whole thing has been explained to you, then go for it.

            You're just another twitchy retread troll.

          • Trevor

            "You're saying that Mary, mother of Jesus was Palestinian?"

            Did you read anything by me that says Mary was Palestinian or a Palestinian Jew.

            You really are an idiot.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Did you read anything by me that says Mary was Palestinian or a Palestinian Jew."

            The person you are defending did.

            "A 3 headed God, ghost, Man came to earth, raped a 13 year old Palestinian girl, to impregnate her with himself."

            You "corrected" my correction and now either play dumb or are extremely stupid.

            You're a troll.

          • Trevor

            Rofl. You really are a weak pathetic individual.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Rofl."

            I'm glad to see someone has fun in your fantasies.

            Carry on troll. By the way, anyone can read the thread and judge for themselves. Keep it up.

          • Looking4Sanity

            So, by your "logic", illegal Mexicans living in the United States are de facto "Americans". I guess we all know where you come down on illegal immigration, don't we?

          • onepornqueen

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          • onepornqueen

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          • Looking4Sanity

            If you're right and I'm wrong, I've lost nothing by believing what I do.

            If I'm right and you're wrong, you've lost everything.

            It's really no more complicated than that, which makes you pretty stupid for not getting it…but then I already knew that.

          • JacksonPearson

            You're not wrong at all. Stick with your Christian beliefs and you'll never go wrong. I've always said, life on mother earth is very short and temporary, while the afterlife is eternal, e.g., "Jesus saith unto him, I am The Way, The Truth, and The Life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me" –(John 14:6).

            You have to remember Look, people like sbj1964 pretend to be atheist or whatever, but in reality they're tools of Satan and are here to do his bidding. First clue is, they never, ever bash Satan, nor talk against him. Obviously, as posted above, their rant is always against God, Jesus Christ, or the Bible.

            You'll be sipping on cool mint juleps, while he'll be begging for a drop of water, let alone ever seeing ice cubes.

  • Mark Harding

    As a Christian I can only speak for what I believe. I strongly urge Christians regardless of denomination to stand together and pray for forgiveness. Many would say "Forgiveness"? to whom? I say to those Muslims who have come to this country only to find that Christians are to busy to show any compassion or love to those who follow this Islamic teachings of hatred. Instead of shining your light into the hearts of these poor lost souls of Islam, Christians did nothing said nothing and closed themselves off to speaking the truth to Muslims. I am a Christian Evangelist and I have evangelized to Muslims, for the most part, and have done so for over 20 years now. I live in Canada. I have been spat at swore at and had my life threatened many times by Muslims on the streets of Toronto. I have been arrested and found guilty of hating Muslims by a federal court in Canada because I tell Muslims the truth, that their god allah is NOT the God of Israel and that Jesus died on a cross. I do not hate any Muslim, but that was back in 1997 when very few knew about Islam and what evil it teaches and even less knew of the terrible persecution of our Christian Brothers and Sisters in all Islamic societies around the world. Why were these Christians being persecuted? The same reason I was, because of our faith which denies the false deception of Muhammad and the evil teachings of Islam. I tried to show Muslims the truth of Jesus Christ, but in doing so it was inevitable for them to hear that by this truth I was also saying that Muhammad was a liar. For if I say that Jesus died on a cross that meant that Muhammad lied to them when he said that Jesus did NOT die on a cross. At my trial where three Christian brothers and over 250 Muslims. Was it all worth it. Yes. I believe if more Christians would get up from in front of their TVs and computers and go out into the streets to proclaim our Lord and Saviour, there would be far less Muslims to worry about, that is what is happening in many Islamic societies around the world where Christians are spreading the truth of Jesus. In Africa the Muslim teachers are complaining that to many Muslims are leaving Islam to become Christians and are ordering death to Christians and apostates of Islam.
    May God open our hearts with love to seek those who are lost by the lies of this antichrist called Muhammad and give us the courage and boldness to speak His truth to them. Amen.
    Mark Harding
    evangelistsofcanada@gmail.com http://www.evangelistsofcanada.blog.com

    • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ JasonPappas

      Your courage if laudable. But might I suggest that you help your fellow Christians learn about the false prophet of the Islamic faith? Most Christians believe that Islam is just as good as any other religion or denomination of Christianity. Perhaps you can help Christians understand that Islam is opposed to the divinity of Christ and is eternally hostile to Christianity.

      • Graeme Thompson

        Jason, did you actually read Mark's post?

        His courage is not laudable, it is inspirational.

        As Christians we overcome evil with good, we dont hate those who have become overcome by evil.

        • defcon 4

          It didn't work w/Nazis and it sure as he11 won't work w/muslimes…

    • Drakken

      I find your missionary work laudable, but futile, you cannot compromise with pure unadultered evil, it will have be fought with the sword. Islam is by the sword and must be fought using a bigger sword. God helps those who helps themselves.

      • Graeme Thompson

        Drakken, please correct me if I'm wrong, but you sound like you'd prefer to kill a Muslim than convert him with love?

        Just as David Wilkerson went into the New York ghettos and faced the switchblade with the Cross and converted Nicky Cruz and others, so does Mark Harding face the dangers of Islam in Toronoto.

        'Laudable but futile'? Courage and commitment that you and I dont possess?

        I think you should be ashamed of yourself for responding to Mark's testimony this way.

        • Drakken

          Well Graeme let me respond, everything I have said and believe comes fom personal experience of working in muslim countries, you mistake going into a western ghetto where they won't kill you versus the muslim world they will kill you, and giving them both equal moral value when there is none. The cross in the muslim world will get you slaughtered as the muslims demonstrate every bloody day, the cross in the western world at worse will get you scoffed at unless your in a muslim enclave. It amazes me that folks like you live in this bubble of wishful thinking when the real world is a very dangerous place, ignorance is longer an excuse. God didn't tell the faithful to stand by and get slaughtered in the face of evil.

          • Mark Harding

            Drakken, don't use God as your excuse to want to kill people. Those who pick up a sword will die by the sword. There have been thousands, tens of thousands of Muslims who have left Islam to be Christians,why? Because God has power to change a mans heart from hatred to love and He uses His believers to accomplish spreading the truth and the love. But, if you don't have it, you don't have it and I suggest you try and find the verse that says God helps those who help themselves. You don't read the Holy Bible much do you.

        • defcon 4

          GO hug a rainbow — in any islamofascist state…

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "Drakken, please correct me if I'm wrong, but you sound like you'd prefer to kill a Muslim than convert him with love? "

          It is not "un-Christian" to be prepared to do either according to circumstances.

    • JacksonPearson

      Jesus vs. Muhammad: Fifteen major differences
      1. Personal sin
      One suffered from sin. The other was sinless.

      2. Confronting Satan
      One nervously seeks refuge from Satan. The other had complete confidence and authority.

      3. Small-scale violence
      One killed mockers and enemies. The other rises above such violence.

      4. Religious freedom
      One suppresses it. The other permits it.

      5. Large-scale violence
      One launched the first Crusade. The other ordains preaching alone.

      6. Martyrdom
      One promises earthly and heavenly rewards for dying in a holy war. The other says his martyrdom promises his followers heaven.

      7. Wealth
      One took it by force. The other resisted this temptation.

      8. Marriage
      One allowed polygamy and had many wives. The other says one man and one woman.

      9. Miracles
      One worked no miracles. The other works many of them, even today.

      10. Dealing with sexual sin
      One ordered flogging and execution. The other offers forgiveness and restoration.

      11. Bible prophecy
      One is not mentioned or prophesied in the Bible. The other fulfills Messianic prophecy.

      12. The Spirit
      One restricts and confuses the doctrine of the Spirit. The other freely offers the Spirit as a full Person.

      13. Their roles and natures
      One is only human. The other is both fully human and fully divine.

      14. Their deaths
      One died of sickness aggravated by poison. The other died on the cross for the sins of the world.

      15. Occupied tomb, empty tomb
      One still lies in his. The other was resurrected.

  • Jode

    "sheeple" a willing ignorance, and lack of good leadership. The people behind the pulpits have been duped into believing they must only preach Jesus especially if their churches are registered with the government to have tax exempt status. Do they love money above human persecution, I do not know their hearts. Some really do not love Their Creator. That leaves US with a lot of self-righteous people that really do not think they need a real Saviour. However, that said and done, there are many that do care, many that understand and pray to their Lord daily for direction, some bravely go to help.

  • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ JasonPappas

    Let's review our record of helping Muslims:

    We have been helping them for 50 years. We’ve supported the (1) Arabs in the Suez Crisis and in general from 1948 to 1967. (2) We supported the UN resolution for Israel’s return of territory from the ’67 war. (3) We helped Egypt get back the Sinai and (4) helped Muslims fight the USSR. We’ve helped the Muslims in (5) Bosnia and (6) Kosovo, We’ve help (7) Kuwait and protected (8) Saudi Arabia from Saddam. We give (9) Egypt $2-3 billion a year. We fund the (10) Palestinians and help the (11) Lebanese; we’ve tried to establish a democracy in (12) Iraq and (13) Afghanistan; we helped (14) Arafat rise to power in Palestine; we gave the (15) Taliban $43 billion in early 2001; we sell fighter jets to (16) Pakistan. (17) We fund Fatah ($68 million 6/07) and (18) Hamas ($40 million via the UN). (19) Provided aid to Tsunami victims in Indonesia and earthquake victims in Pakistan. (20) Sell Saudi Arabia state of the art weapons. (21) Help Islamists rise to power in Libya, Syria, Egypt, Gaza, etc.

    As Paul Berman noted in "Terror and Liberalism", there is no group of people that we've helped more in the last 50 years than Muslims. Muslims come first … why? I suggest that both left and right see an altruistic purity in helping people that are least like us and have nothing to offer the world (aside from natural resources that we found for them.)

  • Trevor

    Ah, i get it. This isn't about Christians turning a blind eye to Christian persecution. This is a thinly veiled swipe at Christians who support, rightly or wrongly, justice for Palestinians and who speak out against wars of aggression by the U.S and UK.

    The writer also appears to be for that most un-Christ like of pursuits…War. Not only does he laud one apparent round of violence he also finishes off with this,

    "We, in the West, are in the greatest position to help, in whatever ways that may be determined."

    Maybe he's really John Hagee in disguise!?!

    • Mo_

      The only "justice" that needs to happen regarding Palestinians is that they stop slaughtering Jews and then lying and pretending THEY are the victims.

      As to "wars of aggression", I have no clue what you even mean.

      "The writer also appears to be for that most un-Christ like of pursuits…War."

      What nonsense. You know nothing about Christ or Christianity or the Bible. If you did, you'd know that God is not a pacifist and war is not necessarily immoral.

      Now, anything to say on the topic of Christians being slaughtered by Muslims, in accordance with the theology of Islam?

      • Trevor

        "The only "justice" that needs to happen regarding Palestinians is that they stop slaughtering Jews and then lying and pretending THEY are the victims."

        I'm pretty certain that Israel has "slaughtered" more Palestinians than Palestinians have "slaughtered" Israelis.

        "As to "wars of aggression", I have no clue what you even mean."

        Or, or, you chose to remain ignorant. But then again,if you chose to remain ignorant is it really ignorance or is it just denial!?!

        "What nonsense. You know nothing about Christ or Christianity or the Bible. If you did, you'd know that God is not a pacifist and war is not necessarily immoral."

        Ah, another who has read about Jesus but doesn't know him. If you did know him you'd know that your above quote is Satanic in its very nature.

        "Now, anything to say on the topic of Christians being slaughtered by Muslims, in accordance with the theology of Islam?"

        Sure.

        "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."

        • defcon 4

          But Trevor, your rabid islamofascist dogs in Lebanon and Gaza not only can't seem to stop ranting and raving about killing Jews and destroying Israel but firing over ten thousand rocket and mortar rounds into Israel in support of that end. Despite the fact you might be incredibly stupid, firing rocket and mortar rounds into the sovereign state of Israel without any provocation are called acts of war.

          • Trevor

            "your"?…lol

          • defcon 4

            Too bad you weren't on the Israeli schoolbus hit by an AT rocket, preferably right next to where the AT rocket hit the schoolbus.

        • Mo_

          "I'm pretty certain that Israel has "slaughtered" more Palestinians than Palestinians have "slaughtered" Israelis."

          That's all I read, because that says it all.

          Tell me, does Judaism have commands for Jews to kill Muslims? Are Jews strapping bombs to themselves in order to "martyr" themselves in the process of killing Muslims? Do Jewish mothers proudly send their sons off on such missions and wish they had more sons to offer to the the cause? Do Jewish schools teach children that Muslims are descendants of pigs and apes? Are Jewish schoolchildren taught from the youngest ages that murdering Muslims (and themselves in the process) should be their highest goal in life?

          You cannot produced ONE SHRED of evidence, because there IS no evidence. I, on the other hand, could produce evidence for every single one of these things on the Muslim side.

          But even if I did, you would not look at it.

          It truly is frightening how disturbed people such as yourself are. That's the only explanation I can find for anyone who believes such fantasies, with no evidence for it and with MOUNTAINS of evidence against it.

          • Trevor

            Produce your "mountains of evidence"?

          • Mo_

            Nice try at turning the tables.

            YOU are the one making false accusations about the Jewish people. Therefore, YOU are the one who needs to back up these accusations by providing the evidence I asked for.

          • Mo_

            (Hint: You won't produce it, because no such evidence exits. And you know it.

            There are no teachings in Judaism of the sort I described. There are no Jews doing the acts I described, in obedience to such teachings.

            It doesn't exist. This is fact. You know this. You cannot refute it.

          • Trevor

            Really, that's your answer?

            And there was me hoping we could compare numbers of those murdered on both sides.

          • defcon 4

            WTF does it matter how many people were killed on both sides? What should matter is WHO initiated hostilities fool.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "And there was me hoping we could compare numbers of those murdered on both sides."

            You have murder statistics handy? Show me and we'll take it from there. Most of the murder is still committed by the aggressor; the Islamic jihadis that you refer to as "Palestinians."

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "I'm pretty certain that Israel has "slaughtered" more Palestinians than Palestinians have "slaughtered" Israelis. "

          And the Islamic jihadi aggressors are culpable for all of it.

    • Omar

      Trevor, why don't you condemn human rights violations committed against Tibetans by the Communist Chinese and their Russian supporters? Why don't you condemn the Assad family dictatorship's brutal assault on dissidents in Syria? Why don't you condemn the Islamist regime in Sudan's genocidal campaign against African Christians? Why don't you condemn the Islamists' anti-Semitic genocidal campaign against Israel and the Jews? You support all of the atrocities above because you are a democracy-hating, America-hating, totalitarian loving Stalinist/Maoist who supports Islamist Sharia law. Quit repeating leftist/Islamist lies and propaganda and learn from facts.

      • Trevor

        I'm a Christian therefore i'm against all forms of violence be it Muslim on Christian violence, "Christian" on Muslim violence, Jew on Arab violence, Arab on Jew violence so on and so forth.

        "You support all of the atrocities above because you are a democracy-hating, America-hating, totalitarian loving Stalinist/Maoist who supports Islamist Sharia law. Quit repeating leftist/Islamist lies and propaganda and learn from facts."

        The hate is strong in this one. Don't worry though, Jesus loves you just the same.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "I'm a Christian therefore i'm against all forms of violence be it Muslim on Christian violence, "Christian" on Muslim violence, Jew on Arab violence, Arab on Jew violence so on and so forth."

          Being against it is wonderful. Now that it's happening, Christians are interested in justice and you're interested in propagating bogus moral equivalence arguments and jihad justification.

          Do you also pay jizya or are you working it off?

    • Drakken

      Why don't you put your money where your jihadist loving mouth is and go join your brethren savages in Gaza? Screw the fakestinians, they deserve a hell of lot worse thatn what they got and you in your hypocracy support the worst that humanity has ever produced, well screw you and the other Quislings that support our demise.

      • defcon 4

        I think he should put on a bombathon belt and practice blowing himself up in the privacy of his own home first — just to make sure he puts his best foot forward for allah, the ballah!

      • Trevor

        Your extremist and violent attitude will be you undoing, Drakken. Repent before it leads you into serious trouble.

        • defcon 4

          You'll have to do a LOT better than that.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "This is a thinly veiled swipe at Christians who support, rightly or wrongly, justice for Palestinians and who speak out against wars of aggression by the U.S and UK."

      Young man, I've tried to tell you that if you want a quick guide to what we object to, it's liars and their dupes. Saying, "i get it" and then showing evidence that you are still a delusional dupe is not the most productive way to start a conversation.

      That is what you came here for, isn't it? You're not just another troll, are you?

      "Maybe he's really John Hagee in disguise!?!"

      I'm sure you'll find Hagee everywhere at once if you just look hard enough. Seems like a more useful pastime than what you are usually up to.

      • Trevor

        And finally the "White Knight" who types a lot and says nothing of note.

        "Young man, I've tried to tell you that if you want a quick guide to what we object to, it's liars and their dupes. Saying, "i get it" and then showing evidence that you are still a delusional dupe is not the most productive way to start a conversation."

        You want me to apologise for pointing out the writer's real point?

        "Who will be left to save us?"

        A strange statement from a supposed Christian…no?

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "You want me to apologise for pointing out the writer's real point?"

          You're not a very good mind reader. You're a troll. Maybe you are sincere, but that only points to locating the problem deeper in your mind.

          You're a stubborn dupe. You propagate lies and try to argue that legitimate Jewish sovereignty is morally equivalent to jihadi violence.

          You're an Islamic Christian at best. That won't do you any good at all.

  • gee59

    I remember when Israel went into Lebanon – one of the reasons was to protect the Christians from the PLO. The entire world howled over it, including the Pope

    • defcon 4

      I'll bet the Christian population of Lebanon, like the rest of the Mid-East and N. Africa is fast dwindling, yet no one dare call it what it is: islamofascist ethnic cleansing.

      • gee59

        I 100% agree. The Berbers in Morocco are being killed by the tens of thousands for decades – how many people have heard of it?

        The Kurds are murdered by Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey. The largest ethnic group in the world without a homeland. They have been ethnically cleansed from their villages, bombed, gassed and the world ignores it.

        Nearly 1 million Jews were ethnically cleansed from Arab nations – for the UN or Red Cross nothing was done for them. Only the State of Israel did anything for them.

        In 1900 – 28% of Egypt was Coptic. Less than 10% today and falling fast.

        I could go on and on – but why? Nobody will listen, nobody will care, the Arabs can do anything their feeble little fascist minds can dream up and the world will say nothing. Why do we tolerate the intolerant?

        • defcon 4

          I couldn't care less about the kurds, 99% of them are muslimes and the ones in Armenia and Turkey were fully complicit in carrying out the genocide and enslavement of Christians there. Let them suck camel urine as their psychopathic prophet of pedophilia advised them to do.

          • gee59

            defcon4 – I prefer to think of them as fellow human beings.

            For the record Kurds are hated by Turks, Arabs and Persians. That means they must have some redeeming qualities right there. They may have harmed Armenians – that is news to me but then again it is not an area of expertise for me. I do know that they have a far better record of their treatment of Jews than Europeans, Turks, Arabs, or Persians.

            That they are now being murdered does count – because I know for a fact that the Copts were just as bad toward Jews as Muslim Arabs and I too count them now as oppressed.

            I do wish some us could claim to be without taint of racism, but the facts do not support it. Some of our forefathers were real b*stards.

          • defcon 4

            I couldn't care less if muslimes hate/kill other muslimes. Why don't you take your rainbow hugging delusions to any islamofascist state and see if the muslime kurds stick up for you there?

          • Trevor

            You really are a nasty piece of work just as extreme as the mad mullahs and Jihadis.

          • defcon 4

            Argument of false equivalence. Nice try Hajji, but no cigar for you this time.

  • Sonya

    Thank you for drawing attention to something so important and obvious and yet being completely ignored in our American Churches–the plight of fellow Christians both here in the U.S. and around the world. Our members of Christian clergy will one day need to give an account for their silence.

  • Omar

    Hopefully, Pope Francis I will make the right decisions in world politics.

  • 77patriot

    http://Www.Persecution.com is the website for Voice of the Martyrs. There is also Open Doors at http://www.opendoorsusa.org
    There is also Barnabus Fund at http://www.barnabusfund.org. Another organization is Christian Solidarity Worldwide at http://www.csw.org.uk.
    Please check these websites and support them. Many times people cannot be open because they might fan the flames of hatred even more. But let's support these people.

  • smporbin

    Coexist… Yeah turn away so you don't have to take that bumper sticker off your Prius.
    If it doesn't fit the narrative, how easily it can be ignored.
    How much US tax money has been sent to Egypt in support of this?
    Fellow Jews who do not recognize this march and onslaught of religion over the past 5 years are culpable. The country has been desensitized to it's moral compass and refuses delivery on arrival of anything outside of the narritive that I, a capitalist, G-d fearing, white man, is the SCAPEGOAT, and what is really wrong with the world.

    I will not pass this ignorance on to my future generations.

  • Mo_

    Not all those who claim to be Christians actually are. After all, doesn't Obama still claim to be a Christian?

    Other than that, the truth is that Christians are often at a loss as to what to do about this issue! Aside from praying, getting the word out and perhaps making a donation to organization that helps in this situation, there's not much we really CAN do.

    Heaping more guilt on people helps nothing.

    • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ JasonPappas

      If you're reading this site and supporting it, you're doing it. Pat yourself on the back. The next step is getting the word out … spread the word!

  • Jack Wisdom

    My brother, a psychiatrist, won't speak to me since he learned I became a Christian. If I were to be persecuted, would he lift a finger to help me. Nope. So, that's right here in the USA. Christianity teaches that we live in a fallen world. The above article shows that's true. However, the commenter who refers to Voice of the Martyrs probably is the best one. It's a great ministry.

  • slider 96

    If Christian leaders would raise half the stink they do in politics and put in the faces of the muslim world something may change . .

    • Drakken

      Not going to happen until the muslims start blowing up churches and slaughtering the faithful.

      • defcon 4

        Um, that's already happening, in Pakistain, the Mid-East and Africa.

  • Jim

    Call on your Ministers, Priests ,Rabbis and Imams to raise a noisy but articulate campaign against religious persecution in Egypt.

    Save your own soul by trying to save others lives.

    Human rights are our business.

  • LindaRivera

    UNITED WE STAND. DIVIDED WE FALL.

    Founder of Islam, Mohammed: “I have been made victorious with terror”, “Wage war on the infidel and kill them until Islam is dominant” (Quran 8:39)

    thereligionofpeace.com: Under Islamic law, rape can only be proven if the rapist confesses or if there are four male witnesses…Rape of Muslim women is against Islamic law – although the rape of non-Muslim women is not, if they are 'captured in battle' or bought as slaves.

    In the absence of four male witnesses, rape cannot be proven. The woman's testimony then becomes a "confession" of adultery. She can be stoned, even though the male is unpunished, since he never "confessed" to a sexual act!

    Some clerics blame rape on the woman. Australian Sheik Feiz recently said a rape victim "has no one to blame but herself. She displayed her beauty to the entire world… to tease man and appeal to his carnal nature." http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/002-rape_

    Quran 9:5 “Kill Jews and Christians wherever you find them”.

    “Killing Jews is worship that draws us close to Allah”
    Al-Aqsa TV (Hamas), Nov. 18, 2012 http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=427

  • LindaRivera

    1,400 years of the terrible cruelty of Muslims taking slaves continues to this day in Mauritania, Sudan and other countries.

    Jihad Slavery in Sudan, with Dr Charles Jacobs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP4Fcx7AE_o

  • Jim

    In India Hindu men and women are demonstrating against rape against women. The demonstrators are risking even their lives.
    If Hindus can risk their lives then Christians and all others should at least raise a protest about rape and murder now occurring in Egypt .

    The Copts have been in the educated people of Egypt. Killing them is as stupid as killing Jews in Germany.

  • Jim

    In India Hindu men and women are demonstrating against rape against women. The demonstrators are risking even their lives.

  • Brian Murphyy

    I know some Christians in Pakistan who say life is hell there with persecution, murders, rapes, looting and stealing of Christian women by Muslim mobs, but they have no protection from the police and government who just look on and do nothing.With Sharia Muslim law being applied to Christians they are often falsely accused of blasphemy which carries the death sentence; even handicapped children do not escape this state murder which happens in many Muslim states like Iran, Nigeria etc. This false Sharia charge enables the Muslims to rob a Christians property.

  • slhancock

    You are so right! When will we put aside our denominational differences and unite around our common belief in Christ and His substitutionary atonement? Living in Turkey for 6 years, seeing what they do to Christians, whether Turkish nationals, or foreign workers, their denial of the genocide of the Armenians, etc., reading for over a decade now the atrocities against believers in Iraq, and ALL nations that comprise the ME, not to mention China…we have no excuse! We WILL very soon experience their persecution. Make no cries of disbelief about it. We are now set to be criminalized by our own government. It was no mistake that Christians are at the VERY TOP of the list of our government's terrorist list! This is no laughing matter! This regime understands that people of faith are its natural enemy. They, themselves are careful to couch their concerns for same sex marriage, abortion rights, gun control, etc. in terms of their "faith", but it is outright treachery and lies. Christians in America need to wake up and realize that martyrdom is not just for those in another country, but that it will soon be our own necks in the guillotines.

  • damir

    why does no one ever speak of freemasons and their influence on our politics and culture? I really wonder! THEY are the main problem in western politics, multiculturalism and cultural relativism is produced by them, it's their philosophy and ideology. Western politics especially the leftists are in the grip of freemasonry, not to mention the EU! They hate Christianity ( tho they won't admit it) and the catholic church struggled with them for a long time, popes wrote about their evil agenda and yet nothing really ever happened, and no one mentions them!

    • defcon 4

      Is you tinfoil hat on too tight?

  • Gcbc

    it is difficult sometimes to know what we can do since we have limited resources. Being a part of the body of Christ has little to do with denomination and more to do with serving and following Christ. We have an obligation as Christians to our fellow Christians. To aid them in any way possible. Donations help but, we must also put as much pressure as possible on all our governments to aid those who are persecuted.

    At the same time it is quite evident that persecution is beginning to creep into our own societies. it will definitely get worse and we must be prepared for that and stand against it in all forms. There is a lot of religious accommodation going on which does not meet with the cultural. norms of our nations. We must do what we can to protect those who come into our sphere. Also provide the opportunity to help those who need it even when they are not comfortable asking for it.If we do it carefully we can help without causing difficulties.

    Once a church is easily accepted we tend to get sloppy about things because it's easy for us. What a shock it will be as it gets more difficult. It is interesting that in many countries where there is more persecution,the church is growing quite fast. When you can be hurt, imprisoned or killed for your faith,it tends to weed out the ones who are not serious.

    Since this will becoming to us one day we should all be doing the most we can for others. spreading the Gospel is supposed to be our primary goal, serving the Lord in every way is the real goal. It takes more discipline than many are willing to put forth in the Wast. Too much like hard work.

  • defcon 4

    One of my Lutheran friends expressly stated to me he doesn't want to hear about islamofascist persecution, murder, rape and forcible conversion of Christians. But then again, he's not much of a friend, and much less of one now.

  • David of Edinburgh

    If western media and governments reacted to the persecutions they would be obliged to speak or act on behalf the persecuted. However, to do so would conflict with their ongoing program of pushing Christian influence out of western societies altogether. Therein, I believe, is a principle reason for their lack of any reaction.

  • BLJ

    Political correctness is a disease that is allowing Islam to practice it's evil ways unpunished. Look at all of the so called Christians would voted for that Muslim Obama. Most people who consider themselves Christian have no clue about what Islam really is.

  • cynthia curran

    Well, the Eastern Empire was already military weak before the crusades one reason the eastern emperor is asked foris help but he and the crusader Kings differed on his idea that land taken from the Muslims would go back to the eastern Empire. The sacked happen because one of the imperial family form an alliance with the crusaders another Alex and had a fall out with the crusaders. Its true that Venice got a lot of loot from the bargin and its also true that about 20 years earlier a lot of Venice Merchants were killed by the Byzantines in Constantiople since the emperors had Venice and other Italian city states not pay tariffs that Byzantine merchants were subjected to this caused resentment and the event is known as the masscrue of the Latins. Most of the West didn't seen Islam as a threat when Constantiople felled and the last emperor got small support from abroad not a enough he even comprise with the Roman Catholic Church which meakes the last Constantine an usual hero.