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		<title>By: Gary Dickson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Dickson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Aug 2013 01:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, I would say that Obama does have such power. Consider the NSA, the IRS, and the TSA and their behaviour of late.


He&#039;s just not using them to their full potential, at least not yet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I would say that Obama does have such power. Consider the NSA, the IRS, and the TSA and their behaviour of late.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s just not using them to their full potential, at least not yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Newspaniard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Newspaniard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Aug 2013 08:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Barbarism to barbarism in one short century.   That which Ataturk won, Erdogan takes away.   islam wins again.   Join the EU?   Only after the UK has left, please.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barbarism to barbarism in one short century.   That which Ataturk won, Erdogan takes away.   islam wins again.   Join the EU?   Only after the UK has left, please.</p>
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		<title>By: William James Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William James Ward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Aug 2013 04:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Islamist surge of today brings about the old lust for power
that existed during the Caliphate in the Middle East and the fight
is on as to who will wear the big turban. It will get bloodier as time
goes on as hatred and resentment grow. I think the loss of life 
will stagger the imagination once the inter-Islamist warfare gets
going thus Israel will again be a buffer to deflect the aggression
in their direction, History will repeat itself and at the same time
write a new and maybe ending chapter to Islam..............William]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Islamist surge of today brings about the old lust for power<br />
that existed during the Caliphate in the Middle East and the fight<br />
is on as to who will wear the big turban. It will get bloodier as time<br />
goes on as hatred and resentment grow. I think the loss of life<br />
will stagger the imagination once the inter-Islamist warfare gets<br />
going thus Israel will again be a buffer to deflect the aggression<br />
in their direction, History will repeat itself and at the same time<br />
write a new and maybe ending chapter to Islam&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..William</p>
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		<title>By: Michael_van_der_Galien</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael_van_der_Galien]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 21:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The existence of military men plotting against Erdogan may be credible. But claiming that hundreds of politicians and journalists were included in the plot is a grotesque fabrication created with only one goal....to use the plot to repress opposition political and journalistic activity.&quot;

Halleluya. Thank you. That&#039;s exactly right. There&#039;s simply no chance in hell that more than 200 academics, journalists, writers, politicians *and* army officers conspire together to stage a coup. 


Note also that the journalists in this case are found guilty *because of what they wrote.* 


It sets a very dangerous precedent indeed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The existence of military men plotting against Erdogan may be credible. But claiming that hundreds of politicians and journalists were included in the plot is a grotesque fabrication created with only one goal&#8230;.to use the plot to repress opposition political and journalistic activity.&#8221;</p>
<p>Halleluya. Thank you. That&#8217;s exactly right. There&#8217;s simply no chance in hell that more than 200 academics, journalists, writers, politicians *and* army officers conspire together to stage a coup. </p>
<p>Note also that the journalists in this case are found guilty *because of what they wrote.* </p>
<p>It sets a very dangerous precedent indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 20:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LIberals!...O Liberals! Where are you? Where is your outrage?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LIberals!&#8230;O Liberals! Where are you? Where is your outrage?</p>
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		<title>By: JoJoJams</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JoJoJams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 18:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Note that this was before anyone had been convicted of any wrongdoing. 
In no other country would political leaders have spoken about an ongoing
 investigation in such a polarizing manner.&quot;


I had to laugh when I read this.   Ummm.  well, in America, Obama and his minions have clearly taken polarizing sides and spoken before investigations were complete in quite a few incidences, most notably the Trayvon Martin tragedy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Note that this was before anyone had been convicted of any wrongdoing.<br />
In no other country would political leaders have spoken about an ongoing<br />
 investigation in such a polarizing manner.&#8221;</p>
<p>I had to laugh when I read this.   Ummm.  well, in America, Obama and his minions have clearly taken polarizing sides and spoken before investigations were complete in quite a few incidences, most notably the Trayvon Martin tragedy.</p>
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		<title>By: Chez</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 17:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The existence of military men plotting against Erdogan may be credible. But claiming that hundreds of politicians and journalists were included in the plot is a grotesque fabrication created with only one goal....to use the plot to repress opposition political and journalistic activity. And if the regime is so diabolical as to manufacture such a broad-based conspiracy with which to silence its opposition, then one wouldn&#039;t be the least surprised at the contrivance of evidence blaming the generals for the deaths of Christians. 


The implication is that this general was the personification of evil....of suddenly ordering the murder of erstwhile allies - Christians who were never harmed in all the years of military rule - with the convoluted reasoning that doing so would justify a military takeover. I don&#039;t believe it for a minute. Since when in modern times would the fate the tiny Christian minority affect public opinion sufficiently to decide Turkey&#039;s future?


The Christians were killed incidentally, by Muslim extremists who hated them. The regime was not responsible....and neither were the generals. But the regime cleverly used the tragedy as one more blunt instrument to destroy the opposition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The existence of military men plotting against Erdogan may be credible. But claiming that hundreds of politicians and journalists were included in the plot is a grotesque fabrication created with only one goal&#8230;.to use the plot to repress opposition political and journalistic activity. And if the regime is so diabolical as to manufacture such a broad-based conspiracy with which to silence its opposition, then one wouldn&#8217;t be the least surprised at the contrivance of evidence blaming the generals for the deaths of Christians. </p>
<p>The implication is that this general was the personification of evil&#8230;.of suddenly ordering the murder of erstwhile allies &#8211; Christians who were never harmed in all the years of military rule &#8211; with the convoluted reasoning that doing so would justify a military takeover. I don&#8217;t believe it for a minute. Since when in modern times would the fate the tiny Christian minority affect public opinion sufficiently to decide Turkey&#8217;s future?</p>
<p>The Christians were killed incidentally, by Muslim extremists who hated them. The regime was not responsible&#8230;.and neither were the generals. But the regime cleverly used the tragedy as one more blunt instrument to destroy the opposition.</p>
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		<title>By: Mehmet Zengin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mehmet Zengin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 15:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Person who killed supreme court members, was a lawyer and was also lawyer of the company financing this organization. He has confessed his guilt, evidence was there linking one retired general to him and to this attack and telephone recordings as well. So it is not fantasy.
There is voice recordings of generals, meeting in army;s conference rooms, openly discussing how many people would be prisoned and where they would be kept. The lists of thousands of people were ready. General who found guilty over this didn&#039;t deny this fact.
Christian missionaries in Malatya were killed. Three priests were killed again first it was said Islamic motivated people did this. But phone of an army colonel in that city was being monitored by court order and he was the one giving the orders for murders. That&#039;s the evidence why he was sent to prison. 



The court issued these verdicts just don&#039;t issue the prison sentences, during court proceedings, defendant applied to European Court of Human Rights, application no: 15869/09 and ECHR stated strong evidence was there and agreed court to proceed. 



I give solid, concrete facts here, if you don&#039;t believe and you think you know better than Turkish court and ECHR, congratulations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Person who killed supreme court members, was a lawyer and was also lawyer of the company financing this organization. He has confessed his guilt, evidence was there linking one retired general to him and to this attack and telephone recordings as well. So it is not fantasy.<br />
There is voice recordings of generals, meeting in army;s conference rooms, openly discussing how many people would be prisoned and where they would be kept. The lists of thousands of people were ready. General who found guilty over this didn&#8217;t deny this fact.<br />
Christian missionaries in Malatya were killed. Three priests were killed again first it was said Islamic motivated people did this. But phone of an army colonel in that city was being monitored by court order and he was the one giving the orders for murders. That&#8217;s the evidence why he was sent to prison. </p>
<p>The court issued these verdicts just don&#8217;t issue the prison sentences, during court proceedings, defendant applied to European Court of Human Rights, application no: 15869/09 and ECHR stated strong evidence was there and agreed court to proceed. </p>
<p>I give solid, concrete facts here, if you don&#8217;t believe and you think you know better than Turkish court and ECHR, congratulations.</p>
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		<title>By: Chez</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 14:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ahhhh yes. A mouthpiece for the government makes his case.


1) &quot;This organization&quot; you refer to is a chimera....a fantasy...a contrivance of the regime, The idea that hundreds of military men, politicians, journalists and writers would band together in a secret conspiracy to bring down the regime is a farce....and the fact that you believe it shows the extent of your gullibility.


2) The idea that Turkish secularists would kill erstwhile allies like Christians and priests in order to provoke a coup against Erdogan is much more far-fetched than an alternate scenario...that Islamic fanatics killed these Christians and priests out of ideological/religious hatred and then the regime used their deaths to justify repression of secularists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhhh yes. A mouthpiece for the government makes his case.</p>
<p>1) &#8220;This organization&#8221; you refer to is a chimera&#8230;.a fantasy&#8230;a contrivance of the regime, The idea that hundreds of military men, politicians, journalists and writers would band together in a secret conspiracy to bring down the regime is a farce&#8230;.and the fact that you believe it shows the extent of your gullibility.</p>
<p>2) The idea that Turkish secularists would kill erstwhile allies like Christians and priests in order to provoke a coup against Erdogan is much more far-fetched than an alternate scenario&#8230;that Islamic fanatics killed these Christians and priests out of ideological/religious hatred and then the regime used their deaths to justify repression of secularists.</p>
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		<title>By: Mehmet Zengin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mehmet Zengin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 12:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While article talks about claims, here are some examples what this organization did, these are just some of the things not all,
Bombed a newspaper HQ building who opposes to government,
Assassinated 2 supreme court members,
Killings of Christian missionaries,

Other crimes of this organization is involvement in killing of Christian priests, organizing mass protests, bombings and assassinations. All these involvements are proven by phone tappings, voice records etc. So this is not political court case but about organization whose aim was to destabilize 
the country. While Christians were killed in Turkey, media criticized for it is being Islamic country, now these people being jailed and Turkey is being criticized again.

Also, this case was brought to European Court of Human Rights and ECHR&#039;s verdict dated 13 December 2011 was strong evidence was presented by Turkish court about the defendants (ergenekon organization) therefore ECHR also agreed the court proceedings in Turkey was right.
So is this just a stage ? or these people who were killed (again it is just example, there are more to that) are really killed and people who killed them is in prison now. Doing that, I believe is the right thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While article talks about claims, here are some examples what this organization did, these are just some of the things not all,<br />
Bombed a newspaper HQ building who opposes to government,<br />
Assassinated 2 supreme court members,<br />
Killings of Christian missionaries,</p>
<p>Other crimes of this organization is involvement in killing of Christian priests, organizing mass protests, bombings and assassinations. All these involvements are proven by phone tappings, voice records etc. So this is not political court case but about organization whose aim was to destabilize<br />
the country. While Christians were killed in Turkey, media criticized for it is being Islamic country, now these people being jailed and Turkey is being criticized again.</p>
<p>Also, this case was brought to European Court of Human Rights and ECHR&#8217;s verdict dated 13 December 2011 was strong evidence was presented by Turkish court about the defendants (ergenekon organization) therefore ECHR also agreed the court proceedings in Turkey was right.<br />
So is this just a stage ? or these people who were killed (again it is just example, there are more to that) are really killed and people who killed them is in prison now. Doing that, I believe is the right thing.</p>
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		<title>By: DontMessWithAmerica</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DontMessWithAmerica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 10:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Obama must be jealous of such power.  How he would love to be able to eliminate all his enemies (who grow in numbers in America by the day)  Erdogan, Morsi and Obama, the unholy trio that needs to spend the rest of their lives in a dungeon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama must be jealous of such power.  How he would love to be able to eliminate all his enemies (who grow in numbers in America by the day)  Erdogan, Morsi and Obama, the unholy trio that needs to spend the rest of their lives in a dungeon.</p>
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