Understanding Dhimmitude

udThe books and articles by Bat Ye’or on Islam and jihad, dhimmitude and the collapse of Oriental Christianity, Eurabia and the Muslim-Christian anti-Zionist alliance, compose an oeuvre of historic proportions and scholarly significance. In a period of some thirty years she wrote five major works that substantiated with massive evidence the historic persecution of Jews and Christians (dhimmis) under Islamic rule and the contemporary Arab project for the Islamization of Europe and the West.

A young refugee from Egypt who migrated to England, “a small woman, fragile, shy” as she writes in the preface of her latest book, Understanding Dhimmitude, Bat Ye’or has invested extraordinary energy (with the assistance and encouragement of her late husband David Littman) in the education of a generation about hidden histories, malevolent schemes, insidious incremental long-term processes, treacherous elites, and human sufferings, which are markedly unknown to public awareness.

Bat Ye’or has now offered the reading public a condensation of “twenty-one lectures and talks on the position of non-Muslims in Islamic Societies” under the title of Understanding Dhimmitude. This book resonates with heart-pounding anxiety, yet buoyed by human empathy for the oppressed and humiliated dhimmis, denied dignity and rights, crushed under what the Quran calls “Allah’s religion.”

Unlike her other works that detail the scope and horror of Muslim subjugation and contempt for demeaned infidel non-Muslims in the distant past and until today, offering a broad canvas from Pakistan to Morocco, and the awful spoliation of Copts in Egypt and Armenians in Turkey, Assyrians in Iraq and Christians in southern Sudan, this most recent book provides the reader with rigorous conceptual clarity of the historic global Islamic jihad and its universal caliphal ambitions for mankind. The only legitimate religion, as always, is Islam alone. And its divine mandate, as she explained in a talk at St. Paul’s Church in London in 2003, is nothing less than to rule the world and implement Quranic law.

With her five major books in hand, and a growing reputation as a woman of courage and truth, with a call for justice for the defenseless dhimmi victims of Islam, Bat Ye’or lectured in a variety of forums in Europe, America, Canada, and Israel. She was consistently forthright  and precise, teaching and warning. The major themes that Bat Ye’or expresses and explains in her lectures can be summarized as follows:

  1. Islam in its religious doctrine and civilizational aspirations demands a superior status in replacing and superseding Judaism and Christianity, its ancient forerunners;
  2. Islam has from its origins constructed a “regime of dhimmitude [over the inferior and tolerated non-Muslims], the laws of dhimmitude…the mentality of dhimmitude” (p. 118) that has imposed insecurity and oppression on the native peoples of the Orient/Middle East;
  3. Islam succeeded to bring about a situation such that “the whole of Oriental Christendom was destroyed” (p. 40), a kind of “religious cleansing” rolling on to this very day;
  4. There is no validity to “the myth of a marvelous Muslim-Christian symbiosis” or a “Middle East Golden Age” (p. 161), not in the past nor to its present formulations and offshoots, like the Euro-Arab Dialogue and the Alliance of Civilizations, which are deceptive plots for Muslim conquest;
  5. The Islamic jihad mentality of conquest overwhelmed Eastern Christianity and now targets “the Christian West” (p. 83) – with the goal “to force us all to live in the shadow of dhimmitude in Europe” (p. 52).
  6.  In the face of Islamic jihad, “Israel represents the national liberation of a dhimmi people” (p.55), as the Jews have risen up in rebellion against the forces of Muslim repression and degradation to secure their political independence in their ancient homeland.

While historian Georges Bensoussan refers to a history of “conviviality and contempt” to describe the fantasy and reality of Muslim relations with non-Muslims over 14 centuries, Bat Ye’or shows a canny insight into the intricacies and interconnections touching this complex subject. Her prescience identifies Christian collaboration with Islam, designed to harm the Jews, which ends up ironically strengthening the common Muslim adversary of both Christians and Jews; she understands that Western/Christian anti-Semitism is a theological and historical foundation for the West’s collapse in the face of the Muslim invasion of Europe, as the European Union joins forces with the Arab League and the Organization of the Islamic Conference to plummet Israel into submission and disarray; she uncovers the devious Palestinian ruse of calling Jesus a Palestinian (when he was a Jew from Judea) to bond Muslims with Christians against the Jews; she exposes Europe’s accommodation with Palestinian terrorism as the moral bankruptcy of a civilization already weary and tattered from a 20th century marred and mired in wars and totalitarianism; she explains the Muslim war to destroy the nations of Europe and rejects moralizing multiculturalism, which is promoting Europe’s suicide by turning cities and neighborhoods into conquered Muslim territory; and, lastly, she has challenged the historical presentation of Islam as tolerant and its civilizational ambiance as pluralistic by mobilizing mountains of historical data that show Islam was discriminatory and denigrating towards all non-Muslims, especially the Jews and the Christians.

Nietzsche understood that “the knowledge of the past is desired only for the service of the future and the present,” in order to make history and not glibly remember it. Bat Ye’or made the argument that it is imperative to know history, especially when the history is now; when its ideas and rhythms continue to flow into the present era. Islam is ordained “to fight against the people [non-Muslims] until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is his Apostle,” as narrated in the compilation of traditions Salih al-Bukhari, and this article of faith is hewn in stone in the hearts of the believers (as the Muslims consider themselves alone to be). This must be understood in order for the non-Muslims – Europeans, Americans, Israelis – to respond in a forthright and resolute fashion to the predatory religion of Islam.

In an address to the Third Christian Zionist Congress in Jerusalem in 1996, Bat Ye’or pointed out that she introduced the word dhimmitude in 1983 to describe the common destiny of suffering and discrimination endured by Jews and Christians under shariah law. The Christians of Iraq and Syria, Iran and Pakistan, Lebanon and Egypt, Sudan and Nigeria, have all been victims of Muslim massacres and terrorism. Meanwhile, the Jewish presence across the Middle East and North Africa dwindled under the scourge of Islam. Islam, resplendent with arrogant pride and absolute faith, considers its Islamization and dhimmization of non-Muslim peoples and countries as an act of Divine Law, legitimate and obligatory. The Muslim Ummah (nation) will push relentlessly until victory, and after the Muslim assault historically gobbled up the Middle East and beyond, it aspires now to turn Christian Europe into the Home of Islam. With Europe losing confidence in its identity and philosophy of life, the demands of Islam and the mass Muslim immigration there are transforming the continent that may no longer breathe the free air of Rousseau, Goethe, and Mill.

There was a time in history, before the bane of being “politically correct” struck us like thunder, when you could say things as they are, tell the truth, express an opinion, offer an explanation without qualification. You might criticize Islam and not be cursed as blasphemous. But things have changed as the scepter of Islam and its menacing shadow begin to cover the pathways of America and Europe. Bat Ye’or through her writings and lectures may not have saved the Christians of the East or of the West, but she has done the great service of voicing the gravity of their destiny. With empathy and clarity she has brought the truth to the doorstep of mankind; and mankind’s leadership should do now whatever is politically necessary to assure that her prophetic warnings do not become a death writ.

Bernard Lewis wrote in 1995 that “it may be that Western culture will indeed go: the lack of conviction of many of those who should be its defenders and the passionate intensity of its accusers may well join to complete its destruction.” Of this horrific prognosis, and its historical depth and contemporary trajectory, we can learn much from Bat Ye’or, as in her most recent book Understanding Dhimmitude.

Dr. Mordechai Nisan taught Middle East Studies at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

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  • Chez

    A few years ago, I read Bat Ye’or’s ‘From Jihad to Dhimmitude: The Decline of Eastern Christianity in the East’. I highly recommend….It’s a bit dry, but that is part of its charm. It really is a scholarly effort and It’s precisely the absence of hyperbole and editorializing that makes the book so haunting. Put on some classical music (or Pink Floyd) and transport yourself back to the time of the Muslim conquests. I guarantee the hair on the back of your neck will be raised as you experience this infamous chapter of human history.

    • Chez

      Title should read “The Decline of Eastern Christianity: From Jihad to Dhimmitude.”

  • objectivefactsmatter

    “In the face of Islamic jihad, “Israel represents the national liberation of a dhimmi people” (p.55), as the Jews have risen up in rebellion against the forces of Muslim repression and degradation to secure their political independence in their ancient homeland.”
    This is why I have zero patience for all of the morons that bitch about Israel getting American support. Nobody deserves it more. We prop up all kinds of idiots that we probably should maintain relationships with, but Israel is without question the most important foreign nation for us to stand up with.

    • Cold_Drake_80

      Exactly why is Israel the most important? What resource do they have to offer that is unique to that land? How do they improve US standing in the region and the wider world? No country or empire maintains good relations with another country unless their is some advantage. Whether this is right or wrong is of no matter. Smart leaders must be first pragmatic and look to the good of their country and its people.
      So what are your answers?

      • objectivefactsmatter

        “Exactly why is Israel the most important? What resource do they have to offer that is unique to that land?”

        Because it is the physical front, the salient in the 14 century war.

        “How do they improve US standing in the region and the wider world? No country or empire maintains good relations with another country unless their is some advantage.”

        They are a model for constitutional democracy outside of the USA.

        “Whether this is right or wrong is of no matter.”

        It matters to some. It’s true that being right is not enough. You must also be able. We are able when we unite behind our principles and interests.

        “Smart leaders must be first pragmatic and look to the good of their country and its people.”

        Trying to stop the liars is pragmatically useful.

        • Cold_Drake_80

          Well, if you’re fighting your little war for 14 centuries and achieving zero you might want to consider a different approach.

          They are a model of an apartheid state which makes them a joke of a democracy. They do not apply rule of law to all their citizens and therefore have no moral standing at all.

          With my right or wrong comment you go into dishonest quote mining. Since you have such poor reading comprehension I’ll post it here:

          “No country or empire maintains good relations with another country unless their is some advantage. Whether this is right or wrong is of no matter. Smart leaders must be first pragmatic and look to the good of
          their country and its people.”

          Read very, very slowly and try to understand. I wasn’t saying it was good I was saying it was necessary.

          Trying to stop liars is all well and good right up until you side with liars yourself in order to try it. Then things quickly become counter-productive.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Well, if you’re fighting your little war for 14 centuries and achieving zero you might want to consider a different approach.”

            Their tactics have evolved. Who said they’ve achieved “zero results?”

            “They are a model of an apartheid state which makes them a joke of a democracy. They do not apply rule of law to all their citizens and therefore have no moral standing at all.”

            And you’re a liar.

            “No country or empire maintains good relations with another country unless their is some advantage. Whether this is right or wrong is of no matter. Smart leaders must be first pragmatic and look to the good of
            their country and its people.”

            OK dipshirt, I’ll be more clear. It’s not in our interests to see jihadis increase their global reach. If you want to deny that, I’d like to hear you state that explicitly.

            “Trying to stop liars is all well and good right up until you side with liars yourself in order to try it. Then things quickly become counter-productive.”

            Take your own advice.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            They are a model of an apartheid state which makes them a joke of a democracy. They do not apply rule of law to all their citizens and therefore have no moral standing at all.

            Apartheid state? What? Are you delusional? You want to see apartheid states? Every Islamic totalitarian hellhole in the world in which you blindly apologize for is an Islamic apartheid state you moonbat. Please explain to us how the Muslim females, Christians, Jews, Hindus, and Buddhists living inside these Islamic totalitarian hellholes you blindly apologize for are living. Indeed, you are so gullible and ignorant you accept at face value the transparent propaganda of apartheid totalitarians. Meanwhile, the so-called Palestinians, which are the proxies for the Islamic world, never ever have been citizens of Israel and never ever will be, since they have their own legitimate government, which like all totalitarian hellholes in which you blindly apologize for, is corrupt and totalitarian as hell. You are a total and complete waste of valuable bandwidth. Get out of here; you are too dumb and ignorant to argue with. Indeed, you are the quintessential gullible useful idiot and slick Muslims are exploiting your ignorance’s beyond the hilt.

            As for the rest of your garbage, please excuse me if I won’t waste anymore of my time.

          • ProgDestroyer

            So let me get this straight, unless another country possesses something we need we shouldn’t be allied with them? How about the notion of sharing common values? As to Israel being an “apartheid” state, that is one of the most felonious arguments out there. Clearly you haven’t familiarized yourself with the way in which EVERY muslim dominated country functions. Lebanon for example until the mid-1990′s was exactly so. Only about 25% of that country was muslim throughout most of that time, yet they ruled over the rest instituting real barbarity to change the demographics. Yesterday’s brutal socialists are today’s muslims. Look up the history of the ba’ath party to get the full story. Israel is not a Jeffersonian democracy, but neither are any of the muslim countries either, although Israel is one helluva lot closer to one than the muslim thugacracies. I am willing to bet you are also of the opinion that the source of Islamic extremism is due to their having to live under various dictatorships. I think the state of current affairs shows that to be a ridiculous proposition as every one of the affected countries has merely traded one thug for another. So much for the “democracy project”. The only liar on this site is yourself trying to sell your utter ignorance and stupidity to a group that is clearly smarter and more informed than your ignorant self.

          • rnot

            What common values does islam teach that is common with others? Here are a few things that the koran, sunnah and sharia teach: deception, violence and terror – they call it jihad. Sexual perversions such as polygamy (adultry), pedophilia (their prophet was one so it is why it is ok in moslem countries), bestiality is ok – just sell the meat to another village, and even necrophilia is ok if they get at that corpse within a few stated hours according – mohammed did it to his dead aunt and as he was doing it he said it was to ensure that she would get to allah’s orgy in the sky that abuses women and little boys for eternity.
            And slavery is still alive and well. One Saudi slavery was caught in Colorado a few years ago, and another one in California just this year. They signed an agreement to stop but it is alive and well in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere in the moslem world. The ones I mentioned are just the ones that have been caught. And sex slavery has been uncovered in quite a number of European countries too.
            Rape is ok if it is a non-moslem. Of course, if one is a moslem then the woman is treated as the perpetrator and must have 4 witnesses to the rape or she is stoned/hanged/beheaded.

          • Cold_Drake_80

            To sum up your post: “YYYYYYYYAAAAAAAWWWWWW”

            Nothing of substance was posted. Your whole argument hinges on “teacher he was doin’ it too!” I have news for you boy two wrongs actually don’t make a right. It’s not just a slogan it’s reality.

            By your “standard” we could criticize Stalin because the Germans did bad stuff and vice versa. Your world view is psychotic.

          • OfficialPro

            where did you learn to hate Israel and Jews, by the way?

          • ProgDestroyer

            Please tell me you aren’t self medicating on bootleg Prozac and ridlin with a ripple chaser. Because dude you are utterly incoherent and delusional. You whine about Israel being an apartheid state when it is demonstrably not and then snivel with a childish argument that two wrongs don’t make a right when presented with irrefutable examples of actual Islamic apartheid. All Islamic states are absolute tyrannies. For further proof read the story about the Norwegian woman sentenced to a prison term when she reported her rape to authorities in the UAE! Yeah Mr chuckles things like this happen all of the time in Israel. My advice junior is lay off of the meds and stop visiting the idiot website “counterpunch”.

          • rnot

            The ones who are starting the war with Israel has been the moslems and they have kept exactly zero of their promises of cease fires. Some cease fires are started the next day.

            And conveniently most don’t even want to acknowledge the wars the moslems have with the Indians/Kashmirans or HIndus, Buddhists, and other non-moslems – even commies and secularists in Russia and China besides Christians and Jews. There are over 30 hot spots around the world and all but one are caused by moslems.

            thereligionofpeace.com

            investigativeproject.org
            are just a couple of websites to learn about islam.

          • Cold_Drake_80

            For your next trick you’ll post a link to storm front’s page to “learn about blacks and jews”. No thanks. I’ll live you to wallow in hate sites.

          • OfficialPro

            dude are you for real? You sound like the kind of person who would drag up a Stormfront link about jews. We don’t like those kind of people here. We’re as anti-hate as anybody, especially anti-hate about Jews.

          • Cold_Drake_80

            Well, that’s a lie. This is clearly a hate site. Pure and simple. If you want to test it change the names a little. Replace Arab with Jew or Black with Jew. You’ll see though I know you won’t do it.
            Now if you really want to dispel your delusions do it for the comment section in various articles. I have no issue with Jews and freely acknowledge their massive contributions to western civilization. However, that doesn’t make the Israeli GOVERNMENT wholly without shame. It has failed to accept the fact an exclusionary state built on 19th Century nationalistic myths is a bad idea.

          • rnot

            Once again, islam is not a race – the Arabs make up a small percentage of moslems. ISLAM IS AN IDEOLOGY. And even in islam, the word for a black person – even if they are a moslem – is the Arabic word for ‘slave’. And moslems still pull out of Africa, and many parts of S.E. Asia (and I am sure in other parts of the world too) slaves for their slavetrade. yes, slavery still goes on in islam so as far as being racist, that is what islam is about.

          • rnot

            ‘hate’ is what islam teaches. sedition is what islam teaches. And when non-moslems know islam and tell the truth about it – that is what the moslems call ‘hate’. Hate, intolerance and filth (sexual perversions) are in that koran and sunnah, and ok’d by Sharia and that allah-thing. I have no problem with different races of peoples. I do have a problem with the IDEOLOGY OF ISLAM. ISLAM IS NOT A RACE, it is an ideology and should be criticized, ridiculed and discussed as often as possible. Even if moslems don’t like it. It is about time we disobey sharia laws and criticize it.

          • Cold_Drake_80

            Ah, so you can’t be a bigot because you selectively define the people you hate in self-serving manner? Interesting trick, no that’s not the word stupid is the proper term.
            Islam is a religion whether you like it or not. Which lays bare your bigotry against its practitioners. Your selective redefining of reality is either delusional or self serving. Being a good FPMer I suspect it could be both as that is a general trait of the FPM pathology.

          • OfficialPro

            Let me guess: You don’t actually know what ‘apartheid’ means, let alone what it entails.

          • Drakken

            If you think that Israel is an apartheid state? Your completely utterly stupid and a leftist/regressive. You either support and defend a western ally, or you side with the muslims? Which is it?

          • aquataine

            It is difficult to not be wary of those attempting to murder you, your family and all your brethren. Read some facts!

      • ObamaYoMoma

        Exactly why is Israel the most important? What resource do they have to offer that is unique to that land? How do they improve US standing in the region and the wider world? No country or empire maintains good relations with another country unless their is some advantage. Whether this is right or wrong is of no matter. Smart leaders must be first pragmatic and look to the good of their country and its people.
        So what are your answers?

        You don’t get it do you? Indeed, you have been inculcated to hate Jews so much that you wish to see America abandon Israel in order to see the Jews subjugated into Islamic totalitarianism and harsh and degrading Dhimmitude just like the Christian Copts in Egypt. Thus, you ignore all the magnificent contributions the Jews of Israel have made to the world at large, which makes our world a much nicer and better place to live. Not to mention that the Muslims are not just waging jihad alone against the Jews in Israel, but instead they are waging jihad against all religions and all infidels around the world as well, as they fully intend to render the entire world into Islamic totalitarianism via the imposition of Sharia, which is Islamic totalitarian law. Yet, like a fool, you want to abandon the Jews and Israel, because you have been brainwashed to hate Jews. Give me a break and go fly a kite somewhere! You are not only dumb; you are boring!

        • Cold_Drake_80

          You are such a bigoted extremist that you see any criticism against the actions of a state as blind hatred of a whole people. That is both sickening and pathetic. ISRAEL not the Jewish people of the world setup a multi-tiered based on religious and ethnic prejudice. Supporting those policies is bad for the US and for the people of Israel since it makes any kind of peace impossible. Clearly you don’t care about that.
          All you do is spout hate and make unfounded assumptions. As for the Arab dictatorships to hell with them. I wasn’t talking about them at all but you have deluded yourself into thinking that opposition to one state means full support for another. That is a totally irrational stance.
          It is clear you only wish to spew while avoiding all serious discussion. When you stop being a temperamental child let us all know. It will come as a relief.

      • rnot

        Well, maybe you should do a search of ‘Israeli inventions’ and find out. Many of the inventions, or accomplishments, of the moslems are a sham. What have they contributed other than death, violence, propaganda in our kid’s history books and on the TV and news? Not much. What they do is take accomplishments of others, all the time, and claim it is due to islam. They are in a hurry to justify the errors in the koran by rewording them or making excuses for them. Quite often they force people to convert and then if that person accomplished something – they claim it. Many of their claims of accomplishment were due to Christians before subjugation or death of them in past centuries. The Dark ages was due to secular and moslem invasions of Europe – not Christianity. But our history books and medias prefer the propaganda from islam to pass.

        Some inventions: USB flashdrive, flashdrives, unmanned aerial vehicles, UZI submachine gun, and there are so many more things from the Israelis I cannot remember or list them all here.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    Someone or some organization should purchase copies of all her books, package them altogether, and then send them to each and every member of Congress. This should be done pronto!

    • knowshistory

      they don’t read the laws they pass. how are you going to make them read a book warning of the result to be expected from their treasonous importation of muslims?

      • ObamaYoMoma

        I don’t know…it’s like they live in an alternate universe.

        Hell, even most of the writers here at FPM write about Islam from the perspective that Islam is somehow a so-called “religion of peace” and that Muslims who are not moderate are otherwise radicals/extremists/Islamists. However, per the doctrine of abrogation, which is universally accepted throughout Islamdom, when two verses of the Koran come into conflict with one another, the latter issued verse abrogates, supersedes, and replaces the earlier issued verses they conflict with. Thus, the infamous sword verses of the Koran, which command all Muslims to wage jihad against all religions and all infidels until they have all been subjugated into Islamic totalitarianism via the imposition of Sharia, which is Islamic totalitarian law, abrogates, supersedes, and replaces all the earlier issued peaceful verses of the Koran since it was one of the last series of verses issued by Muhammad shortly before his death. Hence, quite the contrary, Islam is not a so-called “religion of peace.” Instead it is a very aggressive and rigid totalitarian ideology. Thus, when Muslims pull out the peaceful verses of the Koran, which, by the way, have all been abrogated by the infamous sword verses, it couldn’t be clearer what they are up to, which is intentionally duping gullible useful idiot infidels. But it nevertheless works like a charm.

        Furthermore, the first and foremost requirement of Islam is the total, complete, and unconditional submission to the will of Allah under the pain of death for blasphemy and apostasy, and what is the will of Allah? The will of Allah in essence is Sharia, which is Islamic totalitarian law. In addition, according to Sharia, jihad, which is holy fighting in the cause of Allah for the establishment of Islam, is not only the highest pillar of Islam, it is a holy obligation incumbent upon all Muslims in one form or another. Therefore, all Muslims are jihadists in one form or another. Otherwise, they are blasphemous apostates that per the texts and tenets of Islam must be executed. Indeed, what true legitimate religions require total, complete, and unconditional submission to God under the pain of death for blasphemy and apostasy, while also requiring all adherents to wage jihad against all religions and all infidels? The answer is obviously none of them! Which means, by the way, that Islam is not a true religion, but instead a cult masquerading as being a religion, and because Sharia is Islamic totalitarian law, Islam is in reality a very rigid totalitarian cult. Therefore, since Islam is obviously not a true religion but a very rigid totalitarian cult instead, it should be outlawed from the shores of America and mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage, should be banned and reversed ASAP.

      • ObamaYoMoma

        It appears they are back to editing my posts and only my posts here at FPM again.

      • ProgDestroyer

        Great point!! Unfortunately it is worse than what you say. Most of the demo-rat party is on the side of darkness and the repugnicans are utter cowards and unwilling to stand up for the righteous.

    • rnot

      Why ‘someone’? Do it.

  • Jillian Becker

    While I would endorse every glowing word of praise for Bat Ye’or written in this fine article, and add even more for her splendid scholarship and the great service she has done the world with her research into the treatment of conquered peoples by Islam, I must raise a small protest at the praise the author of the article implies for Jean-Jacques Rousseau. The whole horrible history of the political left from his time to ours has its source in the head of that callous romantic so full of moral hubris.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “I must raise a small protest at the praise the author of the article implies for Jean-Jacques Rousseau. The whole horrible history of the political left from his time to ours has its source in the head of that callous romantic so full of moral hubris.”

      I felt that way too, but the fact that we tolerate diversity is important. He would have been killed by the Jihadis if they had a chance. We let people act like children as long as they obey our laws.

      So yeah, your reply is worth the effort. But it’s not contradictory to mention him in the context of Islam vs. the free world. But I can also think of many better examples for sure.

  • David vincent

    Hi.

    Let me start by expressing my appreciation of FPM which I personally find
    to be a fascinating website which produces the kind of articles which I enjoy
    very much reading. I appreciate the info that I get from FPM and I can more or
    less agree with everything FPM stands for.

    I noticed a few things in this article by Mordechai Nisan which I find are at best half truths.

    QUOTE > “Her prescience identifies Christian collaboration with Islam, designed to harm the Jews”

    This is not true at all.

    If Bat Ye’or wants to speak about collaborations with Muslims she should first look at how jews served the islamic societies in history. Jews used to command”
    armies of Muslims. These armies would have been ransacking christians:

    “Shmuel Hanagid, who was not only vizier of the Muslim king of Granada, but also commander of his armies. Abraham Ibn Daud, who lived in tolerant 11th century Spain, referred to Muslims positively in his book of history. and even noted when mentioning the massacre of the Jewish community of Granada that it was provoked by the inappropriate behavior of the Jewish leader, Yosef son of Shmuel HaNagid, according to the laws of the dhimma [Gerson Cohen, The Book of Tradition, pp. 45,76].”

    From my encounters with rabinical jews one thing has become clear to me. The rabinical jews hate christians and defend islam. Nothing upsets a rabinical jew more than seeing a christian put a muslim under pressure by asking the Muslims certain questions about islam which could expose islam/the muslim. This, as I have seen with my own eyes countless times causes the rabinical jew to throw themselves under the bus to protect the muslim from legitimate questions from christians.

    The reasons why they do this puzzled me until recently when I realized that the rabinical jews believe that the Muslims worship the same god they do, while christians are “idolators”:

    Here is a rabbi speaking to a christian and a rabinical website:

    “They [Muslims] worship One true G-d regardless of how little they know of Him.

    You [christians] don’t.” Rabbi Daniel http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/reply/18029#.UdLKLkRjTl4

    “Islam is a monotheistic religion. There is nothing wrong
    with a Jew entering or praying in a mosque. It is forbidden to step foot in a church sanctuary.” Rabbi Daniel http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/reply/18029#.UdLKLkRjTl4

    So a jew can go into a mosque and pray but they are forbidden from even stepping foot inside a church. How do you think the medieval christians would have understood this?

    This rabbi daniel is not just any jew off of the internet:

    “Born and bread in the Midwest.
    First Israelexperience was a kibbutz, 1 year following high-school. Stateside, pursued a BS in Electronic Engineering Technology. Years later, after a spiritual awakening, I spent 8 years studying in Israel to achieve and receive a BA in Talmudic Law and ordination from Rabbi Z.N. Goldberg, shlita, member of the Rabbinic High Court. Along the way I grabbed a Teachers Certificate from the Israeli Ministry of Education. Working in the states right now with teens at risk and who have risked it all. Have left that and am currently working in Kashrus [Kosher].” http://rabbi-daniel.u.yuku.com/

    So we see here a jew who lives in the west, a supporter of israel, and yet they are attacking (condemning) christians by accusing them of being idolators while claiming that muslims worship the same god jews worship and are therefore not condemned. This is not new, this goes at least as far back as the middle ages. So in that regard, is there any wonder why the medieval christian held jews in contempt? How would you hold people who said and did and said simular things today? You would see them as a threat to the well being of the west, am i right? Why them would anyone be surprised by the mistrust christians had towards jews in the past? The christians would have seen the jews (some prominent jews at least) siding with Muslims, commanding islamic armies and proclaiming that Muslims and jews worship the
    same god whereas christians are idolators.

    QUOTE > “she understands that Western/Christian anti-Semitism is a theological and
    historical foundation for the West’s collapse in the face of the Muslim
    invasion of Europe,”

    This again is also untrue. There is no anti Semitism in Christian theology. If the european christians developed a dislike towards jews it was most likely that they invented it into their theology to give themselves justification to have dislike and suspicion of jews.

    Jews themselves play a huge part in trying to silence people who critze islam and protect their lands from islamic demographic invasion:

    “The Jewish community’s largest “defense” organization, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), has adopted a policy, consistent with the progressive agenda, not to speak up much about the global tsunami of Muslim anti-Semitism, but instead to campaign against “Islamophobia.” http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/04/the_adl_must_be_stopped.html

    “To defend its policy of “outreach,” the Anti-Defamation League vigorously defames as “bigots” citizens who question radical Islamists’ true aims. This pattern of allying with Muslim anti-Semites to fight “Islamophobia” and then defaming legitimately concerned citizens can be clearly seen in three cases:” http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/04/the_adl_must_be_stopped.html

    Now the article from americanthinker by Charles Jacobs & Ilya Feoktistov is called “the ADL must be stopped”. Some people may well call that a form of jew hatred, but as we know it is not, it is just concerned people recognizing the role others are playing in the eventual fall of their nation to islam. The medieval christians were no different. But i would suspect that such movements in history would be labeled anti semetic even by bat ye’or.

    “Jewish Coalition Reaffirms Commitment to Challenging Islamophobia”
    http://www.jewsagainstislamophobia.org/

    This is why I am saying that the article appears to me to be full of slight subtle attacks against christians while ignoring certain current and historic realities. I see jews doing this all the time in my online activities. Even when Israel is under under rocket attack certain jews say nothing and are busy telling christians how bad they are and how wrong their theology is. Accusing “western/christians” of being the cause of the downfall of the west is far from the truth. the truth is, for as many christians capitulate and appease islam in europe, there would be as many jews doing the exact same thing.

    QUOTE “she uncovers the devious Palestinian ruse of calling Jesus a Palestinian (when he was a Jew from Judea) to bond Muslims with Christians against the Jews;”

    Like when the rabbis try to convince us that the muslim god allah is the one true god that jews worship allah also? Yet the christians are idolaters according to the rabbi’s.

    This why i cannot ignore what bat ye’or is saying. She ignores the historic and current facts that jews themselves align themselves with muslims rather than christians.

    The truth is, if it wasn’t for the christians alone Europe would have fallen to
    the islamic barbarians with the help of their jewish allies a long time ago. So
    when people accuse christians of being responsible for the fall of the west
    they should take note that the only reason the west is here today is because
    the christians alone overcame the islamic invaders who were being supported in their jihad against christians by jews.

    I would welcome any feedback.

    Peace!

    • Bamaguje

      Interesting. But are Jewish collaborators with Muslims representative of most Jews?

      Your assertion that “There is no anti-Semitism in Christian theology” is absolutely false. The New testament clearly blames Jews for crucifixion of Jesus. Remember Pontius Pilate reportedly washed his hands on the matter, while Jews reportedly insisted “crucify him.”
      Furthermore Jews do not recognize Jesus as Messiah.

      That Christians are much less antisemitic today, is not because there’s no theological foundation for Christian antisemitism.

      Rather it is mostly because Christians have learnt from the barbarism and atrocities of intolerant Medieval Christianity, and they have thus become more secular, less religious and no longer take the Bible literally as in the past.

      • David vincent

        “Interesting. But are Jewish collaborators with Muslims representative of most Jews?”

        Hi. I didn’t say they were. I was just making the point that historically it has been the jews who have collaborated with Muslims. Whereas historically christians have continually opposed islam and islamic jihad. So the idea that christians will one day in future as bat yeor believes join Muslims with the specific purpose to “harm jews” is unfounded.

        “Your assertion that “There is no anti-Semitism in Christian theology” is absolutely false. The New testament clearly blames Jews for crucifixion of Jesus.”

        Sorry my friend but this is not what the NT teaches. From a Christian perspective no one ‘killed’ jesus. Jesus himself said “no man takes my life, I lay it down.”

        Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
        Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

        So it was the sin of the people who are now redeemed which are the reasons for why jesus sacrificed himself. For a Christian to accuse jews of killing jesus destroys their whole theology because it would mean that if the jews didn’t kill jesus there would be no sin redemption. They would be left in a position where they would owe jews for killing jesus.

        I agree that people have used these verses against the jews, but clearly they were absolutely wrong in doing so and misrepresented the NT and the mission of jesus. This is why I said Christian theology is certainly not anti semetic.

        “Remember Pontius Pilate reportedly washed his
        hands on the matter, while Jews reportedly insisted “crucify him.””

        It doesn’t actually say “jews” insisted anything. It says “the chief priests and elders”, not “jews”:

        Mat 27:20 But the chief priests and elders persuaded
        the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus. Mat 27:21 The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas. Mat 27:22 Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.

        So clearly only the “chief priests and elders” were involved.

        Yes they were jews, but so where all jesus’s supporters ‘jews’.

        Thankfully the Vatican have even realized this dangerous historic errors of theirs:

        quote> “Pope exonerates Jews for Jesus’ death in new book. “it was the Jewish leadership, the “Temple aristocracy” and a few
        supporters of the figure Barabbas who were responsible, but not Jews as a whole””
        http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/7452839.html

        The reason why the pope (previous pope) is admitting this is because it is impossible to deny it in the light of the scriptures.

        Furthermore Jews do not recognize Jesus as Messiah.

        Believe it or not that has been the root of jewish bad feeling towards christians. Just because jews (some jews) do not accept the Christian messiah jesus Christ it neither gave christians the authority in the past of future to want to “harm jews”, why? Because it would fly in the face of the Christian scriptures of how one treats people who do not follow the faith. Nowhere does the NT suggest that christians should harm jews or anyone else based on theological grounds.

        “That Christians are much less antisemitic today, is not because there’s no theological foundation for Christian antisemitism.”

        The reason why christians are less anti semetic now IMO is because more christians today can read and are educated. Now they can read for themselves what the text actually says
        and then act accordingly. Whereas in the past many illiterate christians were at the mercy of unscrupulous priests.

        For example, one of the big Spanish conquistadors who conqured the aztect or inca kingdom was illiterate.

        ” Rather it is mostly because Christians have learnt from the barbarism and atrocities of intolerant Medieval Christianity, ”

        As I showed in my opening post, the medieval christians lived in a different world were villages burnt over rumours and hear say. No sound recordings to confirm what was said,
        etc.. all it would have been are whispers in the dark leading to paranoia. I would never excuse the evil that christians have done against jews, I only try to understand them in their historic context. In their historic context I personally can understand why the christians had a dislike towards jews.

        “and they have thus become more secular, less religious and no longer take the Bible literally as in the past. ”

        My friend, the opposite is true. If christians take the bible literally it would mean that they would love their enemies, not kill and
        terrorize them.

        Peace!

        • knowshistory

          the fact is that the catholic church does not currently blame jews, particularly jews a hundred generations removed from the event, for the crucifixion. however, jewish responsibility for the crucifixion is clearly fixed by their scriptures. if you doubt that, attend “stations of the cross”. pilate, looking for a way out of a messy crucifixion for no particular reason, asked the mob what to do about jesus. the jewish mob replied “crucify him”. pilate admonished them that jesus was innocent. the mob supposedly replied “let his blood be upon us and on our children”. that’s some pretty definite scriptural blame there. so pilate symbolically washed his hands. now, that’s just scripture. you can believe with me that its horse manure, or you can take it as the word of god, but what you cannot do is make a case that the scriptures do not blame jews for the death of jesus. the unfortunate fact is that there are entirely too many suicidal Christians and jews who are aiding and abetting islam in genociding Christians and jews (and all others) from the face of the earth.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        “”There is no anti-Semitism in Christian theology” is absolutely false.”

        There are currents of Antisemitism for sure.

        “The New testament clearly blames Jews for crucifixion of Jesus.”

        No it doesn’t. It refers to “the Jews” to distinguish those Jews from “the Romans” and others. It’s part of the narrative and in context is not blaming “the Jews” for all time as a people.

        “Remember Pontius Pilate reportedly washed his hands on the matter, while Jews reportedly insisted “crucify him.””

        The Bible is not collectivist. It can be read that way, but only by people with a collectivist agenda.

        “Furthermore Jews do not recognize Jesus as Messiah.”

        True.

        “That Christians are much less antisemitic today, is not because there’s no theological foundation for Christian antisemitism.”

        It’s because more people are educated and able to teach assert widely that there is no legitimate foundation for Christian Antisemitism.

        “Rather it is mostly because Christians have learnt from the barbarism and atrocities of intolerant Medieval Christianity, and they have thus become more secular, less religious and no longer take the Bible literally as in the past.”

        This is false. Some cultural Christians have become more secular, and some have become more faithful to what the whole Bible teaches. The cultural Christians want to emulate some aspects of Biblical morality while denying the authority of the Bible. I would also add that plenty of modern cultural Christians are acutely Antisemitic and simply found new ways to articulate it. They find socially acceptable ways to express it. Which means they can claim it’s not Antisemitism.

        There’s plenty of diversity in views. but the fundamentalist Christians that take the whole Bible will arrive at a place to understand that being critical of Jews as a people is totally inconsistent with the Bibles teachings. The Bible was written by Hebrew prophets. The Jews are essentially Hebrew.

  • popseal

    Examining the personal lives of Mohammed and his first ‘disciples’ tells the story of the birth of a violent superstition founded by a known killer. CNN knows this and hides it behind the multicultural skirts of the Christiane Amanpour ilk.

  • Drakken

    Here let me make this so simple that even you can understand it. Israel is a western ally of us of western civilization, the muslims of whatever stripe are not and never will be. Those effing muslims will NEVER EVER give the Jews of Israel any peace, the muzzys want them dead and gone, period, so trying to appease the Islamic savages is nothing but an exercise in futility and stupidity. If you want to commit suicide in the name of diversity? You go right ahead, your just not going to take the rest of us with you.

  • mony

    cold-drake-80

    regarding your remark about israel being “religious and ethnic prejudice”:

    1. if some of european country would act a bit the same they wouldn’t be in the chaos they r today.

    2.don’t u agree that after so many years of terror and persecution
    of jews in europe and in the arab world- jews, 0.2% of world population, deserve to be independent? i do .

    regarding your comment on mutual intrest between israel and usa:

    i think it is called common values , something usa don’t share with any country in the middle east. second thing- israel is the front line of global jihad (on of them). if israel gone- front will get closer to u.
    thanks
    mony