Islam on Cows, Horses, Camels and Women

musOne of the few positive developments following the rise of the Islamists during the “Arab Spring” is that today many average and/or nominal Muslims are seeing the true face of Islam and its teachings.  And many—as evinced by the June 30 Revolution of Egypt, which saw the ousting of the Muslim Brotherhood—don’t want to deal with it.

For example, during a recent episode of “With Dr. Islam Buhira” on Al Qahira Wa Al Nass TV station, Buhira explained how he had attended “a conference in Morocco on the status of women in society post Arab Spring,” and how at the conference, the following interpretation of the Koran by renowned Islamic exegete, al-Qurtubi (d.1273), was read:  “Women are like cows, horses, and camels, for all are ridden.”

After quoting al-Qurtubi’s words, Dr. Buhira continued, in a disappointed tone: “This is how al-Qurtubi speaks about women, who include his mother, his daughters—basically all Muslim women.  He says they are ‘all ridden.’  This is what makes them similar to animals.”

Hard to believe or not, the idea that “Women are like cows, horses, and camels, for all are ridden,”  is in fact recorded in Tafsir al-Qurtubi (see vol. 17, p. 172), one of the Islamic world’s most authoritative exegeses, or commentary on the teachings of the Koran.

In fact, comparing women to beasts is not uncommon in Islam and traces back to Prophet Muhammad himself, who is recorded saying, “Women, dogs, and donkeys annul a man’s prayer” (Musnad Ibn Hanbal, vol. 2, p. 2992).

I first translated and discussed these texts likening women to animals in 2008, in the context of how female concubines in Islam are not deemed human, as the Arabic relative pronoun used in the Koran to indicate captive sex-slaves is “it”—as in an animal—not “she” (e.g., Koran 4:3).

Even so, many Muslims, including women, are only now learning about these texts and teachings.  The fact is many Muslims really don’t know much about Islam beyond the Five Pillars.  But they have been conditioned to believe that, whatever Sharia says must be laudable and judicious—Sharia being the law of their god as delivered by their beloved prophet. Moreover, in the last couple decades the slogan “Islam is the solution” became popular as a panacea to all of society’s ill.

That is, until it went from being theory to reality.

Put differently, now that the Arab Spring has brought Islamists to power—in Tunisia, in Egypt, in Libya, and currently trying (at the tip of the jihadi sword) in Syria—nominal and nonobservant “cultural” Muslims, and they are not a few, who for decades were ruled by Westernized autocrats and media, are finally seeing the true face of Islam and its teachings, in all their minutia, up close and personal.  This new acquaintance with the truth is setting some of them free—even as it further enslaves others.

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  • Bamaguje

    But Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan have long since been baring the fangs of the true depraved Islam.

  • OfficialPro

    You know, if it weren’t so horrifically tragically TAKEN LITERALLY/SERIOUSLY in Islam, that “all are ridden” line would be the punchline to a rather crass joke.

    • docmusic

      and a joke it is …a dirty dirty filthy joke….. idiots are muslim.

      • a muslim

        Islam being the fastest growing religión in the west means alot of westerners are idiots?

        • Drakken

          You can’t help the brain damaged week individual, they are a write off.

          • a muslim

            I dont want to be rude as religión is ones personal matter, there are good and bad everywhere following different religions. I dont undetstand why is islam is always the target, u cant blame a religión by the actions of its followers, if thats it then what do you have to say about child molestation scandal of the catholic Church?

          • Drakken

            Wherever islam goes, blood always flows, no exceptions and that is why your islam is incompatible with us in the west, or anywhere else for that matter.

          • a muslim

            I didnt know any of the World wars were started by muslims or the wars in afghanistan, Iraq etc. Who spilt blood there? Islam? Dont criticise just for the sake of criticism, if u want to argue then argue with reason or drop the issue.

          • Drakken

            Pure deflection, we are talking about the here and now, and you muslims have brought jihad into our western lands and we are growing tired of it, keep giving us jihad, and we infidels are going to return the favor with a Crusades on steroids. You muslims are wearing out you welcome here in the west.

          • a muslim

            Not deflection but reality, you are suffering from ostrich syndrome bro or should I call it double standards.Whatever you do is ok but when you get a reaction then thats bad, when a outsider comes and attacks your country, no one will blame you for defending yourself and nowhere does one welcome an occupying force with garlands. Alqaeda was created as a reaction to US interferance n muslim lands, the mujahiddins were a creation of the CIA to fight the russians, as long as they were fighting russians, they were called freedom fighters but now when fighting the americans the same are branded terrorists…..I dont understand the logic. besides I never referred to you as an infidel so why do you consider yourself one? Now dont tell me some muslim somewhere else n the world did and you are judging every muslim by his/her actions. To put it n a nutshell, you leave OUR countries and we will leave yours.

          • Drakken

            The problem is you muslims are here in the west and will only leave when forced too, and that time is coming. If it wasn’t for oil, you muslims would still be humping your goats in the desert and would have died out long ago.

          • a muslim

            Finally, thanks for coming to the point. Yes its all about the oil, you went into Iraq for its oil and justified it with WMD,when you didnt find them,u reasonable,sensible westerners didnt even have the decency to apologise. As if that wasnt enough, u marched into the already war torned afghanistan, a country that didnt even have an army. Alas you couldnt win from the local warriors despite your modern weapons and when you sensed your defeat you invited them to the negotiating table. Where is your pride man? Intelligent nations learn from their mistakes, this huge ego and sense of superiority is going to put an end to you one day.

          • OfficialPro

            Syria has them and Assad used them to gas people.

          • Drakken

            Our problem is, that we didn’t take the oil, the Chinese and Russians have exclusive oil rights in Iraq, but thanks for playing. As for asscrackistan, our military was sold a bill of goods and tied their hands in fighting an enemy that doesn’t play by any rules. If you took the shackles off our military and let them do what they do best, they can beat anything you islamist put in front of them. Yes our western superiority outweighs anything you muslims bring to the equation. As one of those brain dead converts, I don’t see you over there fighting with your fellow jihadist?

          • a muslim

            U either dont know what you are talking about or you think everyone is stupid enough to fall for your misinformation. The US has always wanted to get its hands on iraqi oil but was kept out by the nationalisation in 1972. During the end of Saddam era the US and UK envied France, Russia, China etc who has obtained major contracts but due to the UN sanctions kept these contracts were inoperable. Now the show in Iraq is run by Washington, obviously the “friendly” companies will get lucrative deals……..if you dont believe me then tell me what on earth is halliburton doing in iraq? And pls give an intelligent, rational reply rather than blurting obscenities which is so typical of you and docmusic.

          • Drakken

            I see your muzzy logic is working overtime trying to explain those nasty things away called facts over your jihadist feelings, thanks for playing you inbred muzzy.
            There are no US based companies over in Iraq Sparky.

          • a muslim

            You are an ignorant fool, sorry to say, I doubt if you have ever seen the inside of a school. You are just incapable of having an intelligent discussion. Your mind is totally closed to seeing facts, you are living in la-la land. You need to watch Michael Moore’s Fahrenheit 9/11, you might believe him as hes one of you.

          • Drakken

            F*** off rag head, GTF out of our western lands before we throw you out. No more coexistence, we tell you how it is or f*** off back to the sands where your devils cult belongs.

          • a muslim

            Yeah sure, typical loser attitude. Go get an education and learn some manners before discussing sensitive issues, so at least the other side can respect your views or just shut your gob.

          • a muslim

            We are not as dumb as you to believe,we dont buy everything our leaders and media feeds us. You dont know what u are talking about so let me educate you. The US always wanted to lay its hands on iraqi oil but was kept out by Saddam’s nationalisation in 1972. Towards the end of his era, the US and UK envíed France, China and russia for getting major contracts but UN sanctions kept the contracts inoperable. Since US invasión in 2003 with washington running the show, obviously US and “friendly” companies will get lucrative deals. If you dont believe me, can you tell me what is halliburton doing there?
            As for afghanistan, this bill that tied ur military’s hands must have come after you sensed your defeat because when you first went in there, you must have used half of the world’s ammunition (cluster bombs, daisy cutters, missiles etc) on innocent people. Its a nice face saving tactic though but no one will believe it and you too should stop believing everything you read or hear.

          • Drakken

            The only good muslim, is a dead muslim. The sad fact is that you savages can’t invent a god d *** thing and have to rely on western ingenuity to make anything work.

          • a muslim

            You really think your knowledge about the history of muslims is great? Dont make a laughing stock of yourself. We flourished in math, Medicine, astronomy etc at the times when you westerners were living in the age of darkness like savages. Go read a few books before you talk, the only tact you have that is great is forcing others to insult you.

          • Drakken

            Utter Islamic propaganda and rubbish, the only reason you had those innovative things was because of the cultures that you conquered and used. You muslims caused the dark ages and then claim credit for getting us out of it. You muslims insult yourselves by your arrogance that your dark age false religion is better and more advanced than that of Western Civilization.

          • a muslim

            Ooops what was that? Bite your tongue and give yourself a good kick in the backside drakken, as you just acknowledged that we CONQUERED you…… That was a BIG slip, probably deep down you know that I am right. But I am done with you, this isnt a rational discussion but a silly argument, my advise to you is, next time you pick a topic for online discussion, make sure its batman, superman, harry potter etc. as thats your mental level, I now believe fiction to be your forte and leave the serious topics to those who are more qualified on the subject. Its a waste of time trying to educate an elementary school dropout on history, religion, politics etc. Go back to your life in a fool’s paradise.

          • Drakken

            Keep believing in that Islamic superiority, you and others of your Islamic ilk are about to find out just how wrong you are. Deo Volente!

          • OfficialPro

            You can if the religion TELLS them to do the things they are doing in their holy books.

          • Charlie97

            You mean “weak”, rather than “week”?

            Drakken, you are a 24-carat plonker!

        • OfficialPro

          Unfortunately a lot of Westerners are Liberal Idiots that get sucked into Islam the same way a lot of others are, and for these reasons:

          1) Arabic is NOT their mother tongue
          2) It’s not their second language either
          3) MOST Muslims do not even know Arabic at all and end up learning the Koran by rote without even knowing what it says, and are completely ignorant of ANYTHING EXCEPT THE FIVE PILLARS (and what the Imam preaches on Friday).
          4) There are some pretty stupid people all over the world. The West doesn’t have a monopoly on it.

          • a muslim

            You are absolutely right, there are good and bad everywhere. Arabic isnt my language either, I read the translation of the Quran to understand it, i think people who convert to islam read translations too and I am sure they must be convinced enough to make such a big decision. Eveyone is answerable for their own actions and is free to do what they want. Wont it be great if we could agree to disagree rather than bashing each others religión.

          • MohSAW

            You said everyone is free to do what they want. Then why those leaving Islam are killed? Read your Hadith and what the founder of Islam said about leaving Islam.

          • a muslim

            There are millions of hadith and all arent authentic,some of them are weak as they are written by humans. Allah has told us the dos and donts and then given us free will to choose whichever way we want to go. All if us are thus accountable due to this free will, no one forces us to do anything. Why do you all think islam to be a savage religion, I fail to understand.

          • docmusic

            Because from birth muslims are taught that right is wrong and wrong is right.

          • a muslim

            When you cant find a reasonable argument in answer to mine you start attacking our upbringing. Thats fine, attack is the Best defence. Lets not go too far, read the comments of the muslims on this site and then the ones given by you enlightened, civil westerners. Who is insulting who and who is trying to argue rationally? There lies your answer.

          • OfficialPro

            of course they attack the upbringing, because that’s where the brain washing started.

          • docmusic

            i agree with you completely….all religions should leave each
            other alone…but you see islam is a cult . A cult is not a religion however
            big it gets. islam is a cult. This fantastic admission of the culthood of islam is
            written on the walls of the Great Sofia church in Turkey by muslims. Go read
            this. This is a fact that muslims have to realise on their own . If
            muslims want to be religious they have to join a religion like what their
            forefathers were following before the idiot arabs came and forced them to be
            like them even though they weren’t anything like the arabs. You got this ? Now
            Think !! Who are you ?
            Look dude islam is a cult
            . A dirty dirty dirty cult. islam is not a religion . islam is a cult and it’s
            cult status is admitted on the walls of the Sofia church in Turkey. So if you
            can read English it’s a good sign….start moving away from dirty dirty
            arabic. Your grand children will thank you even though your current brain
            washed children will want to kill you . Do it or stay stupid and looking foolish
            . The arabs are conning you people. Sand under their feet and sand in their
            heads and they want you to be exactly like them . Are you out of your mind ?? WAKE UP !!

          • a muslim

            Enlighten me pls, whats written on the walls of aya sofia mosque in istanbul? I never noticed as i been there a long time back. Besides, if you think islam to be a cult then so be it, I respect your opinion, the same way you should respect ours. I dont know what religión you are following but if its either judaism or christianity then let me tell you as a muslim that we believe in Moses and Jesús the same way we believe in our holy prophet, therefore no muslim can disrespect any of them. As far as our beliefs go, you will keep believing n what you believe and I in what I believe, so lets just leave it there as theres no point convincing each other otherwise..

          • docmusic

            What would happen if you left the cult of islam and joined a real religion ? Please tell us ….

          • a muslim

            I would consider myself very unfortunate.

          • docmusic

            You have to think like this because your mommad-thugs would have to kill you if you leave the gang of islam. You’re screwed and you know it and because of your cowardice your children will suffer and their children in turn. mommad’s got you by the balls.

          • a muslim

            Nice language. For me Islam is THE religion and I would rather be dead than anything else.

          • docmusic

            Dirty filthy islam .What will happen to this lovely planet of ours ? It will become like dirty saudi arabia. It is our fault we did not stamp out islam. It is our fault.

          • a muslim

            Good to know we muslims are not blamed for all problems on this beautiful planet.

          • docmusic

            It seems…..islam is very bad
            for humans….like small pox
            was…. islam is actually mohammad’s madness being
            parroted and aped and being
            inserted into humans so they can not
            progress beyond mohammad’s
            madness…..a sane and logical human will not be allowed to emerge out of islam
            by islam….to acknowledge that mohammad was truly mad is considered blasphemy
            nowadays spelt as blastphemy….. Firstmadmuslim mohammad did not even know the
            meanings of the
            words he used…like humanity
            and honor and compassion and such….a classic
            case of an absolute idiot. 2
            billion…and coming….upside down.
            a mad man is actually an
            ape….if you aren’t a normal
            human mentally you have to be an ape. Therefore
            since mohammad was mad and
            apeish all normal humans born into this mad man’s
            cult just have to ape the first
            muslim ape a.k.a. mohammad the violent
            hallucinator and mental
            screw-up. islam is very bad for normal humans. period.
            understood ???
            It seems…..even after living
            through the past couple of
            decades, to still believe Islam is the religion of
            peace is to be as credulous as
            believing North Korea is a democracy run by the
            people.
            The modern day Thugee is
            islam……look up Thugee on
            the net…Thugee was a type of islam type of
            cult practised by some hindus…which
            the sensible British wiped out
            and off the face of this earth….super good for
            Great Britain….. Idiotic
            islam has to be dealt with the same way that idiotic
            thugee was dealt with. Till the
            last person practicing dirty dirty islam is
            wiped off the face of this
            earth we will have no peace. Dirty islam was started
            by a perverted thug and
            pedophilic mass murderer and slave owner and mentally
            sick man who was so sick he
            scared the stupid arabs that lived in the desert
            and this unfortunate coward
            legacy is still the paramount problem on planet
            EARTH. We have to deal with
            islam the same way we have dealt with dirty thugee
            and small pox.
            The dirty cult of islam has
            been naively misclassified as a
            religion by educated people ( this time the
            British screwed up) who could
            not justifiably read the gutter language that is
            arabic. Dirty arabic has no
            word for a pedophile or a child-molester. Dirty
            islam and dirty filthy arabic are
            the two number one enemies of peace and human and human-scientific progress on this
            planet. We have to get rid of dirty islam just as we got rid of Thugee…with
            guts to say the right things and with heavy modern day weaponry….it seems
            with FINALITY !!
            The cult of islam is a drag on the
            planet.
            The
            carbon footprint of obviously stupid and idiotic islam is too big and bloody to
            be ignored. Soon everybody on the planet will have lost someone to islam’s
            murderous mayhem. islam should not be tolerated anywhere on the planet. Period.
            2 billion less will be a good
            thing for the planet and science and the fine arts.
            life
            will thrive post islam.
            no
            one’ll miss muslims and
            their funny only 1400 year old terrifying constant freak-show cult called islam
            ?
            any
            answers ?
            It
            seems…..Crocodile tears are an art form
            too…..Crocodile tears are an art-form
            too…..Crocodile tears are an art-form
            too…..
            It seems….Earth does not need an idiotic
            and chaotic and pedophilic and totally retrograde cult that is totally
            mislabeled as a religion by people who could not read stupid filthy uncouth
            arabic. A true gutter-language . Stupid dirty gutter-language arabic and islam
            have no words for a
            pedophile or a child-molester. The arabs are not fit enough to be called human.
            islam is as cruel and useless as smallpox…..The time is right to do what has
            to be
            done. NOW!!
            Things have to start moving in
            this direction. It seems ….
            “The
            Turks of Greece left few traces. They disappeared suddenly and finally in the
            spring of 1821 unmourned and unnoticed by the rest of the world. It was hard to
            believe then that Greece once contained a large population of Turkish descent,
            living in small communities all over the country, prosperous farmers,
            merchants, and officials…They were killed deliberately, without qualm or
            scruple, and there was no regrets either then or later.”

          • a muslim

            How did u manage to type this Long story in a minute? I would read ur comments if they are your own rather than a plagerised cut and paste nonsense. As far as we muslims come from apes go, it was your darwin who put forward this theory which islam rejects but some if you in the west believe.

          • OfficialPro

            Allah CANNOT LOVE. Why would you follow a SOCIOPATH?!

          • Drakken

            Your fellow muslims will be pushing us infidels until we play cowboys and muslims, you will be given your chance of paradise in hell soon enough.

          • OfficialPro

            I consider you unfortunate RIGHT NOW. Allah is not a deity that understands love. He is a freaking sociopath.

          • OfficialPro

            Please to explain why non-muslims are forbidden from entering Mecca, and why every Muslim country on the PLANET has mobs of Muslims burning down churches for no reason.

          • a muslim

            Non muslims arent allowed in Mecca as its our holy city which only followers of islam can enter. Why is it so shocking? It can happen with any religion, take your own for example. Can any non christian enter your sacred sites, lets not go too far, can i enter the pontifical palace in the vatican?and I am not talking about its surrounding grounds which are of course open to tourists after they pay an entrance fee, i am talking about the INSIDE the private chambers where the pontifs live and pray. Leave aside me, even the practicing catholic CANNOT. As for muslims burning churchs is concerned, I do condemn that as it goes aginst the spirit of Islam. Like I said before, you cant judge the lot by the actions of a few. We see mosques being attacked in the west but I think thats a small percentage of people carrying these hate acts, I dont blame all christians for that.

          • OfficialPro

            Hey, if there’s something BAD in a religion, I’m going to call it out. Just as atheist homosexuals call out the Bible for the bit in Leviticus about “Do not lie with mankind as one lies with womankind”, so I should be free to take issue with such idiocy in the Koran as “Women dogs and donkeys erase prayers”

          • OfficialPro

            You have to understand, many third world Muslims are ILLITERATE. they CAN’T read. they learn it by rote because they can’t read nor understand it.

          • a muslim

            So you are quoting illiterate muslims and not the quran. So why blame it on the religion? It would be like someone quoting an illiterate jew or christian and blaming the bible for it.

          • docmusic

            Very cool…… soon these guys will wake up …they just don’t know. Let’s see.

  • joshuasweet

    And Obama is all for Sharia laws and supports the Muslim agendas world wide, up to and including placing members of the Muslim Brotherhood inside of our government inner circle of our security network .

    • KT Shamim

      Isn’t this false?

      • joshuasweet

        no! look at the people he placed inside of Homeland Security, and the people that he has in the white house as well as the office of the secretary of state. Look at how he backed the Brotherhood in Egypt sending them 200 M1A1 tanks and their support systems, a wing of F-16 fighter bombers and their support systems , the millions of dollars sent to finance them, how not only in Egypt but other nations in the Middle East through out the “Arab spring” arms and money. Military assistance to achieve their goals and agendas. Look at how his departments turn the other way as Sharia laws are slipped into our legal system, even making it a point with judges to include foreign laws in our courts.

        • KT Shamim

          Erm …

          [Qur'an 18:30] “And say, ‘It is the truth from your Lord; wherefore let him who will, believe, and let him who will, disbelieve.”

          [Qur'an 109:7]
          ‘For you your religion, and for me my religion.’

          • Drakken

            But that is not how is works in reality is it? The devils book, your Koran extolls the muslim faithful to spread that abomination of a book of pure unadultered evil into our western lands by whatever means necessary. Islam is known by their actions and its blood continues to flow since the time it came crawling out of the desert to spread its misery upon the world.

          • joshuasweet

            So why then do they kill so many non believers as history has shown? So you do not disagree with the fact that Obama has been a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood!

          • OfficialPro

            Yeah, you left out the part about how the later verses abrogate the earlier ones…

          • KT Shamim

            Here is the verse that is used to support the abrogation argument:

            [Qur'an 2:107] “Whatever Sign We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than that or the like thereof. Dost thou not know that Allah has the power to do all that He wills?”

            Some scholars say this refers to the Quranic verses. But that is not true simply by looking at the verse before:

            [Qur'an 2:106] “They who disbelieve from among the People of the Book, or from among those who associate gods with Allah, desire not that any good should be sent down to you from your Lord; but Allah chooses for His mercy whomsoever He pleases; and Allah is of exceeding bounty.”

            Clearly then the verse 107 refers to the earlier books and how Quranic verses abrogate the earlier books. On the other hand it is clearly written:-

            [Qur'an 15:10] “Verily, We Ourself have sent down this Exhortation, and most surely We will be its Guardian.”

          • a muslim

            Can you pls quote the chapter and verse of the quran that says this. I havent come across any such thing.

          • chars

            those are early verses they were abrogated by verses like this:Quran (2:191-193) – “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]… but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.” there are more than 109 violent verses like these in Koran.

          • KT Shamim

            The Qur’an set conditions for war and given those conditions Qur’an gives several strategies for war like the one above. War, itself, is not declared wrong in Islam but conditions are attached as follows.

            [Qur'an 22:40-41] “Permission to fight is given to those against whom war is made, because they have been wronged — and Allah indeed has power to help them —

            Those who have been driven out from their homes unjustly only because they said, ‘Our Lord is Allah’ — And if Allah did not repel some men by means of others, there would surely have been pulled down cloisters and churches and synagogues and mosques, wherein the name of Allah is oft commemorated. And Allah will surely help one who helps Him. Allah is indeed Powerful, Mighty —”

            Condition 1: Wronged
            Condition 2: Driven out from homes
            Condition 3: Because they said ‘Our Lord is Allah’

            Even if you had just looked at the verse before [2:191] refers to slaying “them” and “them” is defined in the previous verse as:

            [2:191] And fight in the cause of Allah against those who fight against you, but do not transgress. Surely, Allah loves not the transgressors.

            So “them” refers to “those who fight against you”. Add to that the above conditions and the conditions for war are very strict and it is very reasonable to go to war under those conditions.

            As for abrogation:

            Some scholars say this refers to the Quranic verses. But that is not true simply by looking at the verse before:

            [Qur'an 2:106] “They who disbelieve from among the People of the Book, or from among those who associate gods with Allah, desire not that any good should be sent down to you from your Lord; but Allah chooses for His mercy whomsoever He pleases; and Allah is of exceeding bounty.”

            Clearly then the verse 107 refers to the earlier books and how Quranic verses abrogate the earlier books. On the other hand it is clearly written:

            [Qur'an 15:10] “Verily, We Ourself have sent down this Exhortation, and most surely We will be its Guardian.”

          • QuestioningWhatYouSaid

            Yeah, and those people in the church that was burned, must have wronged some muslim by simply being in church, right?

          • KT Shamim

            “Those people” don’t follow Qur’an. God knows what they follow. They can call it what they want but they shouldn’t call it Islam.

          • OfficialPro

            If it’s not actually Islam, how come SO MANY Muslims AROUND THE WORLD think that it IS?! Coincidence?

          • KT Shamim

            Don’t judge a religion by how people follow it 1400 years later. Judge it by its original book and by its original followers.

            How many Christians who claim to be Christians supported Bin Laden’s killing (Bill Maher had a great piece about that).

          • kkmiller63

            And the Old Testiment is filled with many of the same type verses. Moses was ordered to slay everyone including women and children. As a Christian I cannot deny the violent history in the Bible. I can however, live for Christ and follow his teachings of “Love thy neighbor as thyself.”

          • OfficialPro

            Moses was ordered to slay the wicked. They were not merely “unbelievers” (For instance the Ammonites, the descendants of Lot, were “unbelievers” yet God told the Israelites they were not condemned nor under the judgment of the Canaanite Conquest). We’re talking really sick, messed up s***, like baby sacrifice (primitive post-birth abortions, really) and rampant temple prostitution for the Caananite deities (STDs ftw).

            You have to remember, in that time and in that place, children would grow up wanting to avenge their clan’s deaths. That’s why.

  • Muck Fuslims

    “Women are like cows, horses, and camels, for all are ridden,” it left out goats? We all know how muslim men love to “ride” their goats, perhaps even more so than their wives. However I don’t believe the koran the instructs on how to do away with their wives after “riding them” like it does for beasts.

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  • davarino

    Wow, they take the “bros before hos” way to serious

  • george mack

    You have to laugh, or cry, at the rancid intolerance and indifference to anyone not an Islamist shariah freak.

    Down here in Java, West Java, to be precise, it’s the pits.-
    http://rossrightangle.wordpress.com/2013/07/24/west-java-non-muslim-hungry-tough-luck-mate/

  • tanstaafl

    Sheep? I hear the jihadis are real fond of sheep.

    • herb benty

      You can see Muslims and donkeys fornicating on Youtube, although it takes a while to erase the images from your mind.

      • Charlie97

        Only a pervert like you would seek out such images.

        • herb benty

          I did not ” seek” it guy. The article I was reading, was about Islamic atrocities across the globe. Like I said, I couldn’t believe my eyes and got out fast. Why don’t you say the muslims are perverts…Your literary jihad is pitiful. Why not mention that 1 in 5 Swedish women are raped by muslims, or how about the taxicab rapes in Britain that is epidemic. The Islamic religion is GROSS, I didn’t realise HOW bad, so buzz off.

    • Edward smith

      You mean Goyim?

  • Gee

    I wonder if the leftists would declare the expression “Women are like cows, horses, and camels, for all are ridden” – to be Islamophobic – even if it said by Muslim men?

    • herb benty

      Leftists would be silent as they are wimps, hiding behind PC. Leftists, muslims, etc., really “can’t handle the TRUTH”, because, as our Lord Jesus said, “I am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE, none come to the FATHER except through ME. The LOST avoid Truth, freedom, Love as those wonderfully clear concepts are too close to GOD.

      • Charlie97

        I hope that when Jesus returns, he’ll actually look at you…

        Matthew 7:22-23;
        22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
        23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

      • Charlie97

        Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
        And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

        Matthew 7:22-3

        • herb benty

          Satan quoted Scripture to Jesus also, our Lord was talking about fake believers

          • Charlie97

            So satan quoted the Lord Jesus’s scripture to the Lord Jesus. Is satan that stupid to quote the author’s work back to the author?

          • herb benty

            Satan is far from stupid. He was tempting our Lord to try to get Him to worship the Devil. It didn’t work, so Satan left Him.

          • Drakken

            Following the devil himself aren’t you hadji?

          • Charlie97

            Both you and I will know the truth (i.e. whether Christianity, Islam, or some other religion is the truth) once we’ve departed the world. I wouldn’t be so cocky if I were you. You could well be on the wrong path. As indeed I may be…

    • Fred Phelps

      No, leftists have a hierarchy, multiculturism trumps feminism. They will stand up for women as long as those that are oppressing women are white, heterosexual Christians. As far as Islamic wife beating, female genital mutilations, honor killings and jailing rape victims go, it’s see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. Period.

      • OfficialPro

        They call it “Intersectionality”. I call it “BS”.

  • marla1

    According to the people of Chicago he is gay and that is 100% alright to use little boys! Then in other sects boy or girl the younger the better!! The only good muslim is a dead muslim! The more the better !!

  • tokoloshiman

    No wonder the arabs do not want education for their women and girls.
    And if women are animals, then having sex with them is bestiality, similar to the
    sodomy men are forced into or want to willingly participate in with other men because women are evil and kept in sacks , hidden from men who like animals ironically, cannot control their urges and would rape the women on sight.
    And the resulting child is then either an animal if female or a human if male!
    Very confusing that half the muslim arab world are then not humans , the samr derogatory diatribe they spew about jews, of whom none are apparently human,
    despite there being much interbreeding between the races over centuries.
    How nice al this fits in for the radical misogynists! Too confusing and idiotic to stand any test of science but fitting in perfectly with their 12th century teachings.

  • tokoloshiman

    what is the first thing a muslim prostitute ask her john: one hump or two?

    • OfficialPro

      code words to use among muslim prostitutes:
      If they want one hump, “Dromedary”
      Two? “I’ll have the Bactrian, plz”

      • tokoloshiman

        good one!:)

  • prbrown60

    And muslim men that subscribe to this philosophy about women are nothing more than vermin.

    • Drakken

      Women are for breeding and boys are for pleasure according to them. Man/boy love thursadys are always a treat(PUKE) to hear those boys screaming as they get raped by these savages. Makes you want to shoot them enmasse.

  • Edward smith

    The ousting of the muslim brotherhood was a US backed coup. The real revolution happened when they kicked out mubarak.

    • Drakken

      Why aren’t you there helping the MB out there hadji?

  • Edward smith

    “One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail”. – Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin

    • Teresa Morrisroe
    • Teresa Morrisroe
      • Edward smith

        I can’t see the link Teresa, just tell me what it is.

    • Mid_Century_Modern

      Correct

      • Edward smith

        Islam is judaism reformed. So you can only imagine how bad these orthodox jews are. Or these lubavitch types. I’ve studied the evils of judaism for over 10 years. I know what I’m talking about.

        islam and christianity are just the symptoms. judaism is the disease.

        • Mid_Century_Modern

          Islam is merely a plagiarism of Judaism and Christianity.

          I’m not an adherent of any religion, however, Islam is inherently violent against the Kafir as prescribed in the Quran, Hadith and Sira. There are indeed violent text in the OT, however, it is disingenuous to compare ancient text that is not only redundant but also descriptive to the obvious acts that are committed daily by Muslims using the aforementioned Islamic scriptures as justification.

          • Edward smith

            and when israel goes into a palestinian village and shoots dead all the men women and children, know that they are doing it because of the religious doctrine they follow. The same reason Baruch Goldstein killed all those people in that mosque and why he wouldn’t treat non-jewish patients. It’s because they were following what was written down in the torah and what has been taught from the talmud in hebrew schools.

          • Mid_Century_Modern

            That was an anomaly! There are crazy maniacal religious zealots, however, let’s be serious and rational.

            There have been over 20,000 Islamic terrorist attacks since 911.

            Every Islamic theocracy violates human rights and every Muslim majority country is struggling to implement Shariah law.

          • Edward smith

            Is the genocidal apartheid state of israel an anomaly?

          • Mid_Century_Modern

            Ah… I see your mind-set now. Why did it take you so long? Disgusting. If you really want to know about genocide I suggest you look at the history of Islam. But racist pigs like yourself are so blinded by their hatred they can’t see past their laptop.

            Israeli/ Jew haters never look at the genocidal apartheid state of Pakistan where real – and not perceived – human rights are committed on a daily basis. Or the genocide of the infidels in ay Muslim majority country.

            BTW: I doubt that your name is Edward Smith – more likely Mohammad or Ahmed or Adullah. smith btw should be Smith.

          • Edward smith

            And Islam comes from Judaism so there you go. Islam comes from this…

            “When the LORD your God brings you
            into the land you are to possess and casts out the many peoples living
            there, you shall then slaughter them all and utterly destroy them…You
            shall make no agreements with them nor show them any mercy…You shall
            destroy their altars, break down their images, cut down their groves and
            burn their graven images with fire. For you are a holy people unto the
            LORD thy God and He has chosen you to be a special people above all
            others upon the face of the earth…”

            –Book of Deuteronomy, 7:1-8

          • OfficialPro

            That’s just the Canaanites who were wicked, sick f***s who sacrificed babies and used s3x in their worship of their gods.

          • Drakken

            Your pali savage friends deserve everything and more that they have coming to them. You pali supporters really need to follow that Darwin award winner Rachel(St. Pancake) Corries example, I am sure she could use the company.

          • Edward smith

            People that think like you are the REAL anti-semites. If I was jewish I would condemn israel and boycott it.

          • OfficialPro

            in other words you’d be a self hating jew. Move over, plenty of those around.

          • Edward smith

            jews hate everything. The gentiles were not made to be your servants. Sorry. Your Rabbis are wrong.

          • Drakken

            There are a lot more people who think like me than they do useful idiots like you. As for the palis, let me make this really simple for you so that you can understand it, those effing muslim savages will never ever give Israel peace no matter what they do, period. Happy nakba hadji, there are more to come.

          • Edward smith

            People that think like you are on the wrong side of history.

          • Drakken

            Sorry hadji lover, but history is very much on my side and it you bloody supporters of islam are in for a very horrific reality.

          • Mrs. pharaoh

            Interesting that in the past few weeks Egypt has destroyed hundreds of tunnels leading into Gaza, denied any Palistinian access into Egypt even a layover in the airport and closed their waters to any fishing. Al Sisi KNOWS where the terrorists come from. Now we have fellow Muslims calling them out! The world is sick of their FAKE plight, learn tolorence and give up your Satanic murderous behavior masquarding as a religion and perhaps there could be some peace. 1400 years of blood shed and Islam is the cause!

          • Edward smith

            What Egypt? The egypt that was hijacked by the US with their miltary coup? Egypt hasn’t destroyed hundreds of tunnels leading into gaza. The US has. When they had their democratically elected government in place, they were relaxed on the tunnels and allowed aid to go through there.

          • Mrs. pharaoh

            Mr. Smith, please take your lies and peddle them else where. This is NOT a low information audience. What took place in Egypt was NO military coup, it was the will of the Egyptian people to rid themselves of the evil Muslim Brotherhood. I know DOZENS of people who were on the ground participating. And it is the Egyptians who destroyed the tunnels, for God sakes Obama and Morsi are buddies why else would he be trying to get Morsi released, or perhaps maybe he is afraid what Morsi may be forced to tell about Obama’s role in arming terrorists. The US media didn’t even cover the real facts like all the signs those 33 million people were holding, just as many blaming Obama as Morsi!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KTUbhAbKbo&feature=youtu.be

            I am just grateful to be able to return to Egypt again very soon, my second home!

          • Charlie97

            You have no humanity.

            Nor do you have any intelligence. I actually feel a bit sorry for you…

          • Drakken

            When the muzzys show a little bit of humanity then I will reciprocate, until then pound sand. I’ll take my education and life experiences over what you have to offer any day Sparky. Don’t bang you head on the floor too hard now.

          • Charlie97

            At least I can spell, thicko.

          • Drakken

            Ah yes, typical muslim behavior, have a meltdown and call us infidels naughty names. How special ! The writing is on the wall head banger, and it bodes not well for you and your kind.

          • a muslim

            Spot on, its impossible to have a decent discussion with drakken without being insulted and abused. I would like to thank you for at least understanding our point of view. Everyone is entitled to what they believe in, the best thing would be is to agree to disagree. We dont have to believe in each others religion but we can least respect it.

          • Drakken

            I don’t have to respect a evil so called religion that does not reciprocate period and the follows of said fasle evil religion get no pass from me either.

          • Edward smith

            Have you been to morocco?

          • Drakken

            Numerous times.

          • OfficialPro

            No, they shoot all the terrorists.

            The Torah did not teach the Jews anything of the sort. The Talmud is a commentary on Jewish Law, and therefore some of the OPINIONS in there are from some meshuganah rabbis from centuries ago.

          • Edward smith

            Read Deuteronomy.

            “When the LORD your God brings you
            into the land you are to possess and casts out the many peoples living
            there, you shall then slaughter them all and utterly destroy them…You
            shall make no agreements with them nor show them any mercy…You shall
            destroy their altars, break down their images, cut down their groves and
            burn their graven images with fire. For you are a holy people unto the
            LORD thy God and He has chosen you to be a special people above all
            others upon the face of the earth…”

            –Book of Deuteronomy, 7:1-8

          • OfficialPro

            that was ONLY for the Canaanites. ONLY. That had NOTHING to do with modern times. Particularly since the Palis don’t HAVE any graven images (such are forbidden in Islam!)

          • Charlie97

            Context, right?

            Why does “context” only apply to your lot, but never ever to the other lot?

            I’ll tell you why. Because people like you, Drakken and defcon4 are rabid anti-Muslims, with a Christian-Zionist agenda that believes when Israel is fully occupied/cleansed, Jesus will return i.e. fulfilling the prophecies of Isaiah.

          • Drakken

            You muslims and your Islamic agenda are a clear and present danger to our western way of life. Israel is an outpost in a sea of savage muslims who must be defended for if they fall, we are next. So it has nothing to biblical references, it has everything to do with our superior western civilization and our resistance to the Islamic dark ages where you want to drag us, sorry, but we are not going quietly.

          • Charlie97

            Drakken, you really do protest too much. You keep banging on about, “our superior Western civilisation”, but are seemingly oblivious to the fact that you are an advert for the worst aspects of Western civilisation.You knuckle-headed, retarded, thicko, redneck. You would have been better served having a proper education. Methinks that you received too many blows to the head when you were in the Marines. Semper Fi.

          • Drakken

            Pure utter deflection, you muslims will be an endangered species soon because your fellow co religionist will push the west to do so. Oh yes keep calling me names head banger, poor impulse control is always the sign that the muslims cannot coexist with us. By the way, my education is far beyond yours, and it is obvious.

          • Charlie97

            Yeah, right…

          • Seth

            Israelis never killed a whole village… never shoot children… if anyone has been hurt then it’s because Arabs are using their kids as a human shield… and there are no Palestinians, only Arabs. Every so-called “Palestinian” is either from Egypt or from Jordan. Someone here reads too much Islamic propaganda…. oh, and btw- Arabs in Israel live in villas and castles. They wouldn’t like to live in Syria and Egypt, cause their life style is one of the best in the world.

          • Edward smith

            Read Deuteronomy. Operation cast lead? Operation grapes of wrath? I rest my case.

            You know it was operation grapes of wrath that broke the camels back for Osama Bin laden. Why die WE in the US have to support their racist genocide of the palestinian people?

          • OfficialPro

            MODERN Israelis never slaughtered whole villages and never shot children that weren’t suicide bombers.

            Lemme guess, you think the Jenin Hoax was actually a “massacre”…

          • Edward smith

            What about operation cast lead?

          • Drakken

            No it couldn’t possibly be the result of the muslim savages firing thousands of rockets and mortars into Israel proper that set that off could it? I suppose your one of those morons who think Israel should just sit there and take rocket fire and that there should be no response right? No other country on earth would put up with what Israel puts up with, frankly I think Israel is way too restrained in the face of muslim aggression, I would have leveled Gaza as a response.

          • Edward smith

            Nope. It wasn’t.

          • Drakken

            Because your little pali friends deserve everything they get and more because the bloody savages keep pulling the tigers tale and telling themselves that they are really brave that the tiger will never really hurt them. I can’t wait until your pali savage friends really push the envelope and Israel finally says enough is enough and gives Gaza a Shermans March to the Sea and gives them Carthage.

          • Edward smith

            Yeah well it’s thoughts like that that caused the holocaust. IT looks like you’re working towards another one. You are inciting anti-semitism.

          • Drakken

            F*** off hadji, you effing rag heads have been pushing that envelope and expect us to fold in the face of any type of criticism, those days are coming to an end. You by pushing us infidels, will be the instruments in your own destruction and not a tear shed for you bloody savages.

          • Edward smith

            You are on the wrong side of history

          • herb benty

            BS may work in a muslim country, but you are not going to fool anyone here pinko! The IDF has never gone into any “village” and shot babies- that would be Muslims. Just like the ridiculous attempt to copy Jewish and Christian HOLY Scriptures to form the incoherent Koran, you “project” what muslims do on to Jews. Goldstein had had ENOUGH of muslim atrocities, and, admittedly, “lost it”. Think the Fogel family, I might have lost it too.Islam is the murderous cult that you try to “project” onto the HOLY nation of ISRAEL. Buzz off

        • Drakken

          You must be confused, islam is evil incarnate and has been since that devils disciple came crawling out of the desert and screwed his first 9 year old.

        • therealpm

          “I’ve studied the evils of judaism for over 10 years. I know what I’m talking about”
          In other words you’re an anti-Semite; either a Muslim yourself or a Nazi type. What makes you think that anyone would regard your rantings as anything other than highly prejudiced?

        • Ken Arnaz

          That is one of the most stupid comments I have heard. In Judaism (orthodox) the woman has many rights. Even she can divorce the man, if he does not give her cloths, food and sex.

        • herb benty

          YOU are sickening. The Jewish people are wonderful and are the foundation of our Judeo-Christian heritage. The Jews ARE a terror to wickedness which explains your problem.

        • Noboodi Busini

          The Jewish have suffered enough and still are till today. They already lost Bethleham because of the muslims, they were slaughtered in the halocaust. Leave them alone. They are not forcing their religion on you, making you change laws to suit them, making kosher in kfc, pizza shops. I think it is time they live in peace. These days if you side with islam you side with female mutilation, rape, torture, sadism, kililng of dogs, stoning, bombing, death of children used as suicide bombers, forced conversion, burned churches, people losing thier home places and freedoms. If you side with islam you are indeed racist.

    • docmusic

      TRUE

  • 1Indioviejo1

    While the knowledge of Islam may set some Muslims free and others will embrace the totalitarian ideology closer to their ideal, perhaps the benefit to the west is that they will be killing each other for a very long time. We should avoid intervening in any fight among them unless it is to help the secularist, pro freedom if we can find any.

  • Joel Cairo

    This is nothing new. I was aware of it 25 years ago. It is a wonder that so few people pay attention to such things.
    I visited Israel in 1969 and encountered an incident where an Arab man made his wife walk in front of him in case there land mines left over from the 6 day war. Not what a truly civilized man would do.

    • Charlie97

      Yes, because the act of one man that you saw in 1969 is representative of an entire religion and all of its adherents over the past 1400 years. Brilliant.

      • Drakken

        Those acts and many much worse are a common occurrence in the middle east and to make matters worse, the muslims bring those vile practices here in our western countries.

  • Teresa Morrisroe

    Ok class, lets take the time to dissect the Bible of its sexism & such! :)

    No. 1:St Paul’s advice about whether women are allowed to teach men in church:

    “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)

    No. 2: In this verse, Samuel, one of the early leaders of Israel, orders genocide against a neighbouring people:

    “This is what the Lord Almighty says… ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)

    No. 3: A command of Moses:

    “Do not allow a sorceress to live.” (Exodus 22:18)

    No. 4: The ending of Psalm 137, a psalm which was made into a disco calypso hit by Boney M, is often omitted from readings in church:

    “Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalm 137:9)

    No. 5: Another blood-curdling tale from the Book of Judges, where an Israelite man is trapped in a house by a hostile crowd, and sends out his concubine to placate them:

    “So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, ‘Get up; let’s go.’ But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.” (Judges 19:25-28)

    • Mid_Century_Modern

      Descriptive redundant texts that no adherents are compelled to obey, The Quran on the other hand is prescriptive and the results are clear. Now go and take your medication and perhaps later when you feel better continuing education class to enlighten you on religion and history.

      • KT Shamim

        Why Al-Qurtubi’s tafseer is given so much importance. It is, after all, just a commentary. The verses of the Qur’an and the actions of its founder are the real Islam:

        “But whoso does good works, whether male or female, and is a believer, such shall enter Heaven, and shall not be wronged even as much as the little hollow in the back of a date-stone.” (Al Qur’an 4:125)

        [16:59-60] “And when to one of them is conveyed the tidings of the birth of a female, his face darkens, while he suppresses his inward grief. He hides himself from the people because of the bad news he has had: ‘Shall he keep it in spite of disgrace or bury it in the dust?’ Verily, evil is that which they judge.”

        Oh and by the way “compelled”?

        [Qur'an 2:257] “There should be no compulsion in religion. Surely, right has become distinct from wrong; … ”

        [Qur'an 18:30] “And say, ‘It is the truth from your Lord; wherefore let him who will, believe, and let him who will, disbelieve.”

        • OfficialPro

          uh yeah those are all early verses which of course get abrogated by later ones.

          • KT Shamim

            Here is the verse that is used to support the abrogation argument:

            [Qur'an 2:107] “Whatever Sign We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than that or the like thereof. Dost thou not know that Allah has the power to do all that He wills?”

            Some scholars say this refers to the Quranic verses. But that is not true simply by looking at the verse before:

            [Qur'an 2:106] “They who disbelieve from among the People of the Book, or from among those who associate gods with Allah, desire not that any good should be sent down to you from your Lord; but Allah chooses for His mercy whomsoever He pleases; and Allah is of exceeding bounty.”

            Clearly then the verse 107 refers to the earlier books and how Quranic verses abrogate the earlier books. On the other hand it is clearly written:

            [Qur'an 15:10] “Verily, We Ourself have sent down this Exhortation, and most surely We will be its Guardian.”

          • OfficialPro

            You better go tell a bunch of Saudi Imams that they are Doing It Wrong.

          • KT Shamim

            I agree that Muslims should do that.

    • OfficialPro

      context, context, context. *facepalm* It’s a thing, you know?

      1) Incorrect. Paul is taking the argument of the Corinthian church and then arguing against it.

      2)The Amalekites were raiders, and their homeland was NOWHERE NEAR where the Israelites were, let alone where they were going. They killed the straggling Israelites and robbed them in their Exodus, and their targets were always the weak, the old, the very young. Very evil, unscrupulous, predatory culture they were, and were destroyed because they attacked Israel without any provokation whatsoever, because they were a culture of freaking psychopaths.
      So yeah, KILL ALL THE DANGEROUS MURDERING ROBBERS. They had NO JAIL back then! They were on the move and had to protect themselves somehow.

      3) Israel was a theocracy. When they said don’t let a sorceress live, they meant a Sorceress AMONG THE ISRAELITES. A sorceress would have gone against God’s commandments and had other gods before him, so yeah, they’d deal with a sorceress as a traitor and execute. These were the rules to belong to Israelite society, and everybody knew full well. If anybody didn’t like it they were free to GTFO and go do their thing elsewhere.

      4) It’s a PSALM. It is NOT a Law. It is a PREDICTION. God is saying (through the Psalmist), that BABYLON, who had DONE THE VERY SAME TO OTHERS, would have this done to them. Israel was not commanded to do this thing, nor did they get the chance. That was done by the Medes and the Persians.

      5) Censor the news? The tale in Judges mirrors when Lot, panick-stricken that some men outside wanted to rape his divine Angel guests, offered his virgin daughters to use instead (but the crowd wasn’t interested). However in this case, the crowd DID take the bait. The man was NOT commanded to do this; he simply did it out of weakness and panic. That’s all it is, a retelling of events.

      ….the moral of this story is, don’t read the bible like a fundy (or like a fundy-atheist).

    • Charlie97

      Don’t worry Teresa. When you start quoting passages from the Bible at these people, then you get the word “context” shouted at you. When anyone else tries to do the same (basically Muslims), then you are called a liar and a deflector.

  • Teresa Morrisroe
  • bj affordable

    Cow-eyed savages the lot of ‘em!

    They’d ride anything that has a hole in it. Neanderthal man didn’t die out; he went and got religion. That ‘religion’ being the ravings of a Seventh Century paedophile and madman.

    And, I wonder how many boys the old Ayatollah of Iran rode. Evil begets evil.

  • KT Shamim

    Why Al-Qurtubi’s tafseer is given so much importance. It is, after all, just a commentary. The verses of the Qur’an and the actions of its founder are the real Islam:

    “But whoso does good works, whether male or female, and is a believer, such shall enter Heaven, and shall not be wronged even as much as the little hollow in the back of a date-stone.” (Al Qur’an 4:125)

    [16:59-60] “And when to one of them is conveyed the tidings of the birth of a female, his face darkens, while he suppresses his inward grief. He hides himself from the people because of the bad news he has had: ‘Shall he keep it in spite of disgrace or bury it in the dust?’ Verily, evil is that which they judge.”

  • Edward smith

    Everybody is prejudiced.

  • itsallgoodtome

    I’m a muslim and I like to dabble in these anti-muslim bashings every so often just to see what you little dick, feeble minded people are up to. God bless all of you and good luck with your misguided, misinformed, out of context, 3 line verses you so eloquently misquote. Kudos to all the people trying to provide some form of balance and common sense, but I truly believe this is in vain. These pre-dispositioned, “informed” people have already done their “research”. To you folks I say: take every/any verse of the Holy Quran that you see as evil, wrong, etc and ask someone versed in the Quran, ie an Iman from your local mosque and challenge him to explain. To those that choose to do so, good for you. To those that choose not to, good for you too.

  • OfficialPro

    In other words, he’s studied the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and took it seriously?

  • Edward smith

    I think the israelites need to look in the mirror when they talk about wicked suck f***s.

  • dlbrand

    Mr. Ibrahim stated, “The fact is many Muslims really don’t know much about Islam beyond the Five Pillars. But they have been conditioned to believe that, whatever Sharia says must be laudable and judicious—Sharia being the law of their god as delivered by their beloved prophet.”

    Indeed. Very true.

    What’s more, undoubtedly, one paramount reason for that absence of the freshness of Qur’anic tenets in the hearts and minds of the believers falls completely within the guidance their ‘beloved prophet” delivered, therefore, within his Shariah. Hence, allowable.

    Allowable that is, as long, as one remains with the main body of believers. Remains forming that solid wall. Supporting, thus, with both “bodies” and funds, the soldiers, their efforts and exploits, of Muhammad’s nation.

    And that one reason aforementioned is, along with all else he stated, commanded, and practiced was his instruction to the believers to “recite and study the Qur’an” as long as their hearts were in agreement with its meanings and interpretations.

    However, therewith, he instructed, should they have disagreements therein (regarding its meanings), why then, he ordered them to, “stop reading it.” It, of course, being “The Qur’an.”

    Sound advice, ehy.

    Therein, one more prime example of the elasticity in Islam, as long as one does, as stated above, remains supporting the main body of believers. Forming, buttressing the Islamic Wall, be that wall stationary, or advancing.

    Thus, the “unawareness” of the tenets of the book, is completely within the parameters of “Obey God and obey the Messenger,” because, as
    most know, “Whoever obeys the Messenger verily obeys God.”

    Hence, hadith relates, “There is nothing you could follow that is better than the Sunnah of your Prophet.”

    Sunna being, in brief, his orders, practices, judgments, etc.

    Above he ordered the believer to stop reading and studying the Qur’an, if they had amongst them disagreements concerning its meanings and interpretations—clearly, there are such disagreements. Hence to cease reading the “Book” would qualify as Sunnah, and we regard, according to the Revelation,
    as provided above, “There is nothing you could follow that is better than the
    Sunnah of your Prophet.”

    One hopes, as more nominal-Muslims become aware of all the practices and thus teachings of their “beloved prophet”they will have the courage to reject Islam and leave its fold.

    And for the non-Muslims, it would be well for those amongst us that misinform on Islam to cease doing so; if they say anything at all on it they ought to follow Mr. Ibrahim’s well know practice instead and thus state verifiable reality on Islam, that and that only. For the benefit of all.

  • Teresa Morrisroe

    Same in Muslim religion… called “khula”. Google it.

  • Noboodi Busini

    Another reason why they separate men from women and men go and get their teachings on how to punish women and discuss female issues without the presence of women. Women for the most part do not have to go to the mosque can stay home or if they go to the mosque go to the basement separte from men.

  • AlgorithmicAnalyst

    Good points, showing how delusional they are. Stuck in a Dark Ages time warp mentality.

  • KT Shamim

    One at a time … if you want me to respond it has to be step by step doesn’t it?

    So remain unmarried till the age of 25? Then finally marry a 40 year old woman and give away her wealth in charity? And then at the age of 50 suddenly, after the passing away of his first wife, he had the natural urge to marry several women? Is that psychologically even possible? A 50-year-old straight-laced man to suddenly have desires for women?

    Isn’t it obvious there were other greater goals at work here? Like creating peace between warring tribes? Please.

  • Jeff Tilley

    Notice how Obama traded a stable Iraq for history’s largest caliphate in the blink of an eye? Obama’s “Arab Spring” has brought forth the exact fruits that he was hoping for.