Surreal and Suicidal: Modern Western Histories of Islam

Raymond Ibrahim is a Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center, a Judith Friedman Rosen Writing Fellow at the Middle East Forum and a CBN News contributor. He is the author of Crucified Again: Exposing Islam’s New War on Christians (2013) and The Al Qaeda Reader (2007). 


Battle_of_ViennaRereading some early history books concerning the centuries-long jihad on Europe, it recently occurred to me how ignorant the modern West is of its own past.  The historical narrative being disseminated today bears very little resemblance to reality.

Consider some facts for a moment:

A mere decade after the birth of Islam in the 7th century, the jihad burst out of Arabia.  Leaving aside all the thousands of miles of ancient lands and civilizations that were permanently conquered, today casually called the “Islamic world”—including Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Iran, and parts of India and China—much of Europe was also, at one time or another, conquered by the sword of Islam.

Among other nations and territories that were attacked and/or came under Muslim domination are (to give them their modern names in no particular order): Portugal, Spain, France, Italy, Sicily, Switzerland, Austria, Hungary, Greece, Russia, Poland, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Lithuania, Romania, Albania, Serbia, Armenia, Georgia, Crete, Cyprus, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Macedonia, Belarus, Malta, Sardinia, Moldova, Slovakia, and Montenegro.

In 846 Rome was sacked and the Vatican defiled by Muslim Arab raiders; some 700 years later, in 1453, Christendom’s other great basilica, Holy Wisdom (or Hagia Sophia) was conquered by Muslim Turks, permanently.

The few European regions that escaped direct Islamic occupation due to their northwest remoteness include Great Britain, Scandinavia, and Germany.  That, of course, does not mean that they were not attacked by Islam. Indeed, in the furthest northwest of Europe, in Iceland, Christians used to pray that God save them from the “terror of the Turk.” These fears were not unfounded since as late as 1627 Muslim corsairs raided the Christian island seizing four hundred captives, selling them in the slave markets of Algiers.

Nor did America escape.  A few years after the formation of the United States, in 1800, American trading ships in the Mediterranean were plundered and their sailors enslaved by Muslim corsairs.  The ambassador of Tripoli explained to Thomas Jefferson that it was a Muslim’s “right and duty to make war upon them [non-Muslims] wherever they could be found, and to enslave as many as they could take as prisoners.”

In short, for roughly one millennium—punctuated by a Crusader-rebuttal that the modern West is obsessed with demonizing—Islam daily posed an existential threat to Christian Europe and by extension Western civilization.

And therein lies the rub: Today, whether as taught in high school or graduate school, whether as portrayed by Hollywood or the news media, the predominant historic narrative is that Muslims are the historic “victims” of “intolerant” Western Christians.  That’s exactly what a TV personality recently told me live on Fox News.

So here we are, paying the price of being an ahistorical society: A few years after the Islamic strikes of 9/11—merely the latest in the centuries-long, continents-wide jihad on the West—Americans elected a man with a Muslim name and heritage for president, who openly empowers the same ideology that their ancestors lived in mortal fear of, even as they sit by and watch to their future detriment.

Surely the United States’ European forebears—who at one time or another either fought off or were conquered by Islam—must be turning in their graves.

But all this is history, you say? Why rehash it?  Why not let it be and move on, begin a new chapter of mutual tolerance and respect, even if history must be “touched up” a bit?

This would be a somewhat plausible position—if not for the fact that, all around the globe, Muslims are still exhibiting the same imperial impulse and intolerant supremacism that their conquering forbears did.  The only difference is that the Muslim world is currently incapable of defeating the West through a conventional war.

Yet this may not even be necessary.  Thanks to the West’s ignorance of history, Muslims are flooding Europe under the guise of “immigration,” refusing to assimilate, and forming enclaves which in modern parlance are called “enclaves” or “ghettoes” but in Islamic terminology are the ribat—frontier posts where the jihad is waged on the infidel, one way or the other.

All this leads to another, perhaps even more important point: If the true history of the West and Islam is being turned upside its head, what other historical “orthodoxies” being peddled around as truth are also false?

Were the Dark Ages truly benighted because of the “suffocating” forces of Christianity?  Or were these dark ages—which “coincidentally” occurred during the same centuries when jihad was constantly harrying Europe—a product of another suffocating religion?  Was the Spanish Inquisition a reflection of Christian barbarism or was it a reflection of Christian desperation vis-à-vis the hundreds of thousands of Muslims who, while claiming to have converted to Christianity, were practicing taqiyya and living as moles trying to subvert the Christian nation back to Islam?

Don’t expect to get true answers to these and other questions from the makers, guardians, and disseminators of the West’s fabricated epistemology.

In the future (whatever one there may be) the histories written about our times will likely stress how our era, ironically called the “information age,” was not an age when people were so well informed, but rather an age when disinformation was so widespread and unquestioned that generations of people lived in bubbles of alternate realities—till they were finally popped.

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  • Jakareh

    This article contains more truth than a decades’ worth of any self-proclaimed “newspaper of record”. Raymond Ibrahim is both a true American and a true Egyptian as well as the possessor of a first-rate intellect. Something I wonder about is: In the past, were there as many knaves, poltroons, and fools in Western countries as there are today? Were they in charge, as they are today? If so, the survival of Christendom thus far is nothing short of a miracle.

  • Jason

    The only way to fix this is to change syllabuses everywhere to include the true origins of Islam. When we did this in school it we were told “Islam was then spread by the 4 caliphs after Muhammad” and that was it. It went quite well with the rest of the crap I learnt about Islam, really. Unless children are taught this, most will grow up to be loving leftists, who couldn’t give a shit about Western Civilisation, except for all of the bad things we’ve done. A balanced view of history is the single most important thing to stop Islamisation of the West.

  • The March Hare

    A long time ago I stumbled upon the idea that the dark ages was during the time of the Muslim conquering and occupation of Europe and the growth of civilization was stifled during that time. The Muslims destroyed much of the history of Europe and its culture as well, and that was the reason we considered those times the dark ages. Hence, very little was known about those times. I learned that the crusades were the Christians trying to fight off the Muslims raiding, robbing and murdering the merchants on the trade routes through the middle east. All this not only made sense to me then, but as I have watched the current confrontation between Muslims and the rest of the world, it has become abundantly clear that it is fact and is happening again, albeit in a different form. I hope it doesn’t end up as complete and have to, again, take centuries to shake it off, if ever.

  • Big_Foot

    I’ve long known about the 1453 conquest of Constantinople by the Ottoman Turks, but only recently did I learn about the two sieges of Constantinople by Arabs, the first starting in 674 and the second in 717, both centuries before the Crusades started. Go here http://byzantinemilitary.blogspot.com/2011/10/siege-of-constantinople.html and here http://www.byzantium.xronikon.com/battle.php?byzbat=b8_02

    • eib

      The reasons Byzantium fell in 1453 were persistent Western indifference and the weakening of the empire through depredations of the idiotic 4th crusade. If the West had been cognizant of the importance of Byzantium as a buffer zone, and if their kings had strengthened it instead of weakening it, so much time could have been bought! I’m so sick of stupid.

  • rbla

    The myth of the brilliant flowering of Islamic
    civilization among western academics and intellectuals had its origin in the sixteenth
    century and reached its height during the Enlightenment. Certain philosophers,
    such as Montesquieu and Voltaire, needed a means of criticizing their society
    by introducing a supposedly objective non-Western viewpoint. They chose the
    neighboring civilization of Islam and exaggerated its moral and intellectual
    achievements as a stick with which to beat their complacent fellow Europeans.
    Religious warfare and persecution characterizing relations between Catholics
    and Protestants was one of the primary reasons for the disaffection of European
    intellectuals. In reaction to intra-European war and institutions such as the
    Inquisition, European philosophers contrived the invention of the “noble savage”
    followed by that of the wise Muslim. They were apparently unaware of the
    barbarism and incessant warfare that marked the primitive existences of the
    “noble savages.” However, these philosophers had even less excuse for their
    willful ignorance of Muslim warfare, atrocities and persecutions, for the
    ravaging of Constantinople and Timur’s
    massacre of hundreds of thousands of Hindus were both recent and well-attested.
    As the Enlightenment unfolded, the general myth of the wise Muslim turned into
    that of the open-minded and tolerant Turk.

    • Ammianus

      This is very well said rbla. Moreover, western academics are still using mythologized “others,” to put it in their own language, as cudgels to bludgeon the status quo in order to move their leftist progressive agenda forward.

  • A Z

    “That’s exactly what a TV personality recently told me live on Fox News.”

    TV personality >> Lori Rothman

    In her defense Lori has the whole TV News eye candy thing going.

    Bare arms, showing lots of leg. Maybe she could go further and go for the a plunging neckline. Or she could go all the way and go topless.

    I remember when news people got a job and still had their job in the 50s and 60s whether they had wrinkles or not.

    I guess have the news read by an info babe makes the news truer.

    • ziggy zoggy

      Most newscasters ARE old. What are you talking about?

      • A Z

        The trend over the last 3 decades is for younger newscasters.

        We can blame some of that on FoxNews.They have a formula for showing legs and other skin.

        I just do not remember that from the 1960s and the 1970s.

        Face it, if Neil Cavuto was a little more homely they would not have him on TV.

        There is a reason we have terms like info Babe.

        Is there anyone on TV that looks as craggy as Walter Cronkhite?

        • defcon 4

          I can only imagine how interviews for telebision “journalists” goes these days?

          Q: So, what do you think about Islam?
          A: it’s a tolerant, wonderful religion of peace!

  • Waiting

    This reader is thankful that there are at least a few people willing and able to tell the truth. And Raymond speaks out with boldness on this most important issue of the day. Others seem to want to be as the cuddly rabbit that doesn’t run from the snake that comes into its warren in winter. The snake takes advantage of the rabbit’s warm home until spring when it has rabbit dinner. This article, so well-written, is a warning to all.

    Did not Christ say that “there is nothing secret that will not be revealed or hidden that will not be made manifest”?

  • Mike_Travis

    Jason, I would propose a more permanent solution. Since islam is either unwilling or unable, I think both, to “moderate” its murderous tendencies, I believe the best solution for the survival of civilization is to eradicate islam entirely. Many will scream all sorts of curses at me and at this notion, but I see no other way of guaranteeing an end to the murders, rapes, robberies, and slave trade that muslims are intent on committing, proven by the history of their own books.

    So long as islam exists at all, it will be a threat to civilization. I see no way around that as muslims are only doing what the basic doctrine of islam commands.

    • zoomie

      More and more people have come to the same conclusion.
      I concurr. It isn’t about survival … yet. As Eisenhower said, Beware the fury of a free people. Infifnitly more eloquent than, they don’t know who they’re f…g with.

    • Texas Patriot

      It’s not pragmatic to think about eliminating Islam from areas of the world in which Muslims have already attained a majority, and there is no question that minorities in those nations are in for a very rough time. Here in the West, Muslims are still in the minority, and there is still time for people to wake up and recognize what we are dealing with. But the time for doing that is limited. Muslims are aggressively immigrating throughout the world, and their presence in those nations is almost always growing at a faster rate than any other demographic. There has never been anything like it in the history of Western Civilization.

      • Mike_Travis

        Thanks for the remarks zoomie and TX Patriot. The problem I cannot resolve is this. Mooslimes have a history of biding their time, being “good” people until they believe they are strong enough to conquer. Once they decide they are ready, they attack. This pattern has repeated many times throughout their history.

        Knowing this, how can we allow islam to exist at all knowing that it is just a matter of time before they strike out again. If you disagree please say so but I feel certain that as long as islam exists, they will do what they have always done. Again in my view, letting them continue to exist is analogous to what our government is doing about the debt. They just kick it down the road so they don’t have to deal with it. Please understand I am not being critical of you. I just cannot see another way out unless we allow them to live in the hope that they will all eventually convert to Christianity. I know that is possible as I hear stories of it frequently. It just does not make a lot of sense strategically to let such a dangerous enemy survive.

        Where am I going wrong, if anywhere?

        • Texas Patriot

          Mike_Travis: “Knowing this, how can we allow islam to exist at all knowing that it is just a matter of time before they strike out again.”

          Most people don’t know that, and it is a concept that most people, including me, would prefer not to believe until it becomes absolutely inescapable.

          The truth about Islam is available for all to see, both in the Koran itself and in the extensive record of Islam in the history of the world. Unfortunately, most of us do not read Arabic, and very few of us would choose to read histories of the genocidal murder of millions of Hindus and Buddhists in India as our bedtime reading. Moreover, it is readily apparent that when they are not attacking non-Muslims (or each other), Muslims are usually very good citizens and very pleasant people, and the easiest conclusion to reach is “Well, Muslims may have been that way in the past, but it’s obvious they’re not that way now.” In fact, what originally impressed me about the religion going all the way back to Muhammad Ali f/k/a Cassius Clay, Malcolm X f/k/a Malcolm Little, and Kareem Abdul Jabbar f/k/a Lew Alcindor. Even if we don’t agree with everything they say or do, no one can doubt that each of these individuals has been outstanding in their respective fields of endeavor. But when you look at what happens in Muslim-majority countries, you can see very clearly what is in store for the rest of the world if Muslims become the majority everywhere.

          Ultimately doing anything at all to avoid the sure and certain disaster that would befall the West if Muslims ever became the majority, will have to be a political decision resulting from people waking up about the true nature of the situation and demanding that their political representatives take appropriate measures to correct the situation. Unfortunately, most people still don’t get it, and don’t want to get it, and as long as most people still believe that Islam is a “religion of peace”, politicians are not likely to do anything about it. Let’s face it, Muslims have some very wealthy benefactors in the oil rich nations of the middle east who do not hesitate to contribute generously to educational institutions, charitable organizations, and politicians who are willing to believe the myth about Islam.

          On the other hand, it is becoming increasingly clear that Islam is not a religion of peace at all but rather a religion of conquest and submission and Muslims themselves are increasingly willing to talk about that.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eoHMicqnz8

          • defcon 4

            UM Kareem Abdul Jabbar owned a house from which islamonazi terrorists fought a battle to the death w/the police.

      • defcon 4

        It’s not just demographics, islamofascist petrodollars are subverting and corrupting all aspects of our government.
        Hitler didn’t have to convert everyone to a nazi, just so long as the nazis controlled everything of importance.

      • Drakken

        Sure it is pragmatic, destroy their cities, they will be more worried about surviving then they will be waging jihad.

    • Softly Bob

      I would suggest that the complete annihilation of Mecca would destroy Islam once and for all.

    • Drakken

      It comes down to them or us, and I for one want us to come out on top, otherwise us of the west will come under a new dark age. Soon there will be war, we will soon tire of the muslim in our midst blowing things up, raping, robbing and murdering us in our city streets and take extreme measures to ensure they are no longer amongst us.

  • alihusaini

    Smell that fear!?!

    • zoomie

      The symbol of islam is the cresent moon – Lunar influence. LUNATIC, your culture is going insane again. Rabid dogs get put down.

      • alihusaini

        See if you can put this dog down!

        • zoomie

          We’ve done kings, we’ve done fascists, we’ve done communists. You’re next, and when we do won’t won’t give a damn about anyone’s hearts or minds. The fascists and communists were not easy. You’ll be an easy push when we’re ready. It’ll be fast.

          • alihusaini

            Talk, talk, talk! And cry baby whining too, is all I ever hear from you impotent and incompetent idiots!

          • ziggy zoggy

            The history of Islam is shameful. It destroys everything it touches, until you islamopithecines are left wallowing in your own filth. Once the oil industry WE developed for you savages is outdated, you will be left you your own filth again. You animals can’t even produce the food necessary to survive.

            Unless we get tired of you first. You have absolutely no hope of conquering the West. Not even effete old Europe.

          • Drakken

            You really should read the old Grimm’s fairytale of the Little Boy Who Cried Wolf, it has a really neat ending and a lesson for which you should pay heed too.

          • alihusaini

            Well,you see I would,but it is not a Grimm’s Brothers fairy-tale.I am a BIG Grimm’s Brothers fan and have several of their collected writings(FYI,in Germany in fact,they are more known for having compiled the first German dictionary!).Anyway,the tale you refer to is one of Aesop’s Fables, (ancient Greek).Needless to say who wrote the story,crying wolf does not apply here.Sorry,try again!!

          • Drakken

            The brothers Grimm offer a different tale other than the one from Aesop. So sorry untermensch try again.

          • alihusaini

            Yea,a quite different tale which has nothing to do with “crying wolf”.I’m sure the tale you speak of,The Wolf and the Seven Young Kids(Goats),oder auf Deutsch,Der Wolf und die seiben jungen Geisslein.So,I do believe that you are the untermensch!!How many languages do you speak?Like most white Americans,barely English!Interesting that you use the word “untermensch”,a name given to a Jew(untermenschen is plural)by the Nazis.Are you a white supremacist?

          • defcon 4

            Who takes the part of the untermenschen in the ideology of islam?

          • alihusaini

            Nobody

          • defcon 4

            Yes they should all have their heads lopped off in Riyadh! To the cheers of your fellow islam0fascists!

        • ziggy zoggy

          Dogs can’t read. That must be why you couldn’t read the article and comment on it rationally. But you know what dogs CAN do? Lick their own holes.

          • alihusaini

            ziggy,I can tell that you are a complete moron.Blah,blah,blah,that’s all that comes from your ignorant mouth.

          • defcon 4

            Is your zabiba hurting tonight? Try a healthy dose of camel urine to cure your pain.

        • defcon 4

          Why put you down? It might be preferable to just neuter you.

          • alihusaini

            Why don’t you come and try little man!

    • ziggy zoggy

      You’re smelling your upper lip after your last dirty Sanchez.

      • Mike_Travis

        LOL!!!

      • Drakken

        Priceless! ;)

  • alihusaini

    And let’s completely forget about centuries of Christian European land theft and the looting of the natural resources of much of the rest of the world.Not to mention the wholesale destruction of whole civilizations and rape and murder in the name of the Prince of Peace and this so called Western Civilization that you are all crying about.Boo hoo! The West is morally, financially and religiously bankrupt. Instead of looking at yourselves, you invent bogeymen to blame.

    • zoomie

      If it wasn’t for oil your culture would be a POS. Actually it is but the pus..ys in Europe have to kow tow to you. Bring it on pal, many of us are rather looking forward to it.

      • alihusaini

        Ooooh, big, tough guy!

        • iluvisrael

          Your ‘religion’ was on full display in a mall in Kenya – you must be so proud.

        • m4253y

          don’t worry, with a tongue and the obvious arrogance you display by trolling this site, it is clear, you will ultimately slip up in public by showing your true islamofascist colors and suffer the consequences.

          • alihusaini

            I’m troll,I’m a troll!!I love all the new, cryptic, wacko words all you counter-jihad “warriors” use.Too bad you are impotent and can’t hurt a fly.

    • defcon 4

      THen crawl back to whatever islam0fascist pigsty you find most appealing Ali Al Taqiyya.

      • alihusaini

        I would rather move next door to you and build a mosque just to piss you off.

        • iluvisrael

          how about building some churches and synagogues in saudi arabia?

          • alihusaini

            How about I don’t care about what happens in Saudia!!

          • defcon 4

            Just like you don’t care what happens to the najjis kaffir.

          • alihusaini

            Your right,I could care less about the “najjis kaffir”,as you say(which makes sense only to those who have NO knowledge of Classical Arabic and Islamic terminology).

          • defcon 4

            Ah yes, no one can understand the holey nature of the Arabic language. Just like the najjis kaffir can’t appreciate the persecution, murder and rape they’re experiencing at the hands of your fellow islam0nazi brethren throughout the islamic world.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “How about I don’t care about what happens in Saudia!!”

            Absolutely predictable. You only care about victim narratives, not facts. Muslims are victims. This is how you start and end your tales.

            Ed Said and other fantastic liars are big heroes to your type. Sniff. And then you talk tough on the web.

            Go fight in Syria. Allah needs you there badly. How do you expect to get your virgins if you’re not willing to fight for Allah’s cause in the grand jihad?

        • defcon 4

          Sounds like fun. I’ll bring the barbecued baby back ribs and beer.

          • alihusaini

            Sounds like a plan.I’ll bring my German Shepherds,they love pork!,

          • defcon 4

            Be sure to wear your burka.

        • m4253y

          as i have written before, i will write the same again, for your enlightenment.

          when the fog of leftist idealism that fosters the shroud of political correctness, which provides cover to your hajii intent in the west lifts, and it always does, the backlash at muslimes will be both ferocious and relentless.

          you are more than welcome to taunt us with your threats of building your mosques. they will make for excellent camp fires when the time comes, and hajii, i assure you, it will come.

          you and your ilk do not belong here and you are certainly not welcome.

          • alihusaini

            And I will continue to taunt and make fun of people with small minds that are sooooooooooooo easy to get excited.And I will stay right here in the USA,what are YOU or anyone else going to do about it?You,like the rest of the fools here who threaten me,you are an impotent little crybaby!!!WHAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!

          • Drakken

            Today you laugh, tomorrow you will lick our infidel boots to save yourself from our wrath. We won’t be in a forgiving mood especially for you converts, you will be treated like the traitors you are.

          • alihusaini

            Unfortunately, I’m not a convert(as they get a lot of ajr(I’m sure you know what that means as you are so smart)).But I laugh and giggle at you fools and will continue to do so as your so-called “counter-jihad”is a joke and I have no fear whatsoever of your wrath as you too stupid with absolutely no balls to do anything to anyone.

          • m4253y

            تذهب اللعنة اله

          • alihusaini

            You need to avoid Google translation peter eater.Nice try at insulting me in Arabic.Sorry but no cigar!

          • m4253y

            it wasn’t an insult. it was simply a gesture of goodwill. anyway, off your knees boy and go water that camel.

          • defcon 4

            After he waters the camel he should milk it for some of that refreshing, healthy camel urine! Prophet recommended, prophet approved.

          • m4253y

            lol…prophet pp…lmfao

          • defcon 4

            Yes we have “small minds” because we don’t accept the rantings and ravings of your psychopathic, Jew hating, child molesting prophet as holey.

          • m4253y

            camel fucke*r, you should cease in making continued mistakes as to your interpretation of excitement, crybaby, etc.

            you should understand, albeit your ignorance aside, as you were raised in a mud hut, that you are viewed by every naturally born, Christian bearing soul in this land as a POS.

            as you are a mud hut dweller and camel enthusiast, a POS is equivalent to the excrement of your camel which begets you, your ilk, your ‘good’ book, your islamofascists, and soon enough, your end in our land. so, while you are here, i can understand you are frustrated by having no camel to cuddle with at night as you plot to kill Christians and take over NA…so, for an equal substitute, i implore you, go to the dollar store (your mecca) and buy a bottle of a product called Drano. swallow the contents and you will feel just the same as if you swallowed the effluent of your camel.

            good luck with that hajii

          • alihusaini

            This is where I tell you to suck it, Mr.Impotent!!!Ha ha ha ,I got you all wired!So easy to do with a small-minded moron like you!!

          • m4253y

            hey, fortunately for us Christians who have evolved and attained civility, and who are not living in the 7th c like some re run cartoon clip, we don’t partake in your national pastime of bacha bazi.

            your personal lack of hygiene aside and your trolling of this site aside, it must be horrendous to have so many things to be ashamed of…oh well, drop dead.

          • defcon 4

            Does your clitorectomy still hurt after all these years?

        • Drakken

          And we would burn that abomination to the ground and stake a pigs head on the site.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “I would rather move next door to you and build a mosque just to piss you off.”

          We’re familiar with the religion of peace.

        • nagesha
    • ziggy zoggy

      Christian European land theft? Bull$hit. Christians have never stolen entire countries and committed genocide.

      The West is the world’s moral, financial and religious paragon. It is also technologically and militarily supreme. Islamopithecines are animals that we tolerate for now. Eventually we’ll get sick of you. Just like we did the last time, when we progressed to modernity while you savages actually regressed further.

    • Drakken

      The West has given you every modern convenience known to man and all the 21st century has to offer. Little savages like you want to take us back to the dark ages, well your going to have to excuse us that we aren’t going to go along with the Islamic program. Western colonialism and imperialism kept you savages where you belonged and allowed the west to prosper, you just couldn’t get with the program of the modern age and continue to regress without the west and it’s technology.

      • alihusaini

        Oooga booga!!!!!

        • defcon 4

          Save it for your 5 times a day headbanging exercises.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            He might have a point. On his head. Nope, it’s a bump.

    • herb benty

      Hey moron go back to your mullah and tell him your filthy lies don’t work on righteous Judeo-Christian Faith society. Your filthy Koran orders you to do everything you just accused Christians of. My Holy Bible says to love our enemies and pray for them. There are people in all religions that have done wrong things, however, only the evil Koran ORDERS it’s moronic devotees to rape, torture, steal, and murder the innocent. Your Takia is showing- liar(Satan is Allah and the father of lies)

      • alihusaini

        Coo coo!!

    • Dyer’s Eve

      We don’t need to invent bogeymen. Islam is the ultimate bogeyman and a pox on human civilisation. Enjoy your camels, black stone worshipper.

      • alihusaini

        But you do need to invent bogeymen,how else to explain your incompetence,your backwardness,your stupidity and willful ignorance? Yea,you can’t hate the Jews,blacks,Asians anymore,so you all found another group to hate without being called bigots.See,you have a reason?Those terrible Muslimes with their evil god and religion.Why,they are not even human!!They are the spawn of satan!!!Herd them into the cattle cars and send them to the camps!!!See?

        • defcon 4

          Heh, “muslimes”.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “Yea,you can’t hate the Jews,blacks,Asians anymore,so you all found another group to hate without being called bigots.See,you have a reason?Those terrible Muslimes with their evil god and religion.”

          Yes of course. Political correctness protects Jews but does not protect jihadis. Sure.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “Why,they are not even human!!They are the spawn of satan!!”

          The other thing that you’re overlooking is that hating Islam is hating ideology, not hating people. Hating “Muslims” is hating people when they adhere to Islamic values and ideology. It’s not about something that is unchangeable or unavoidable.

          That’s what’s so abhorrent about racism; it’s bogus. It’s caring about superficial insignificant features that make no difference at all until individuals use those features to form specific identities and then join cultures specific to those identities. But the latter is also a choice.

          Not that I hate any people. I pity people who are consumed or significantly tainted by evil ideology. But I have a lot more pity for their victims and justice calls for protecting innocents first rather than caring about the guilty at the cost of innocent lives.

          • alihusaini

            Point taken.Insightful!

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “And let’s completely forget about centuries of Christian European land theft and the looting of the natural resources of much of the rest of the world.”

      Please list the salient facts about the allegations you speak of.

      “Not to mention the wholesale destruction of whole civilizations and rape and murder in the name of the Prince of Peace and this so called Western Civilization that you are all crying about.”

      Here we have another deluded adherent of “Islamic justice” and “Islamic history.” Note the parallels with “Islamic peace.”

      “The West is morally, financially and religiously bankrupt. Instead of looking at yourselves, you invent bogeymen to blame.”

      Leftist jihad enablers are to blame. Jihadis join the people who cause the problems here i n the West. So, you’ll get no sympathy from those who know the true facts of history.

      • alihusaini

        Like I’ve said before,you always must have scapegoats.For you,it is either Muslims/Islam or leftists/liberals.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “Like I’ve said before,you always must have scapegoats.For you,it is either Muslims/Islam or leftists/liberals.”

          http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scapegoat

          Full Definition of SCAPEGOAT

          1: a goat upon whose head are symbolically placed the sins of the people after which he is sent into the wilderness in the biblical ceremony for Yom Kippur

          2a : one that bears the blame for others b : one that is the object of irrational hostility

          I assume you mean either 2a or 2b. So tell me how your pets are assigned blame for others when in fact they are innocent, or when hostility towards them is irrational.

          It’s irrational to want to preserve our constitution in the minds of leftists and jihadis. I guess I can see where you’re coming from, and it’s not this civilization.

        • defcon 4

          OMG, like muslimes don’t constantly scapegoat Jews and/or Zionists in their various islam0fascist hellholes? Talk about hypocrisy.

  • GregJ

    I was taught in HS History (too long ago…) that the ‘dark ages’ were dark because the Church went on a book and knowledge – burning binge and it was the ‘Savior Muslims’ who saved the books and knowledge of Western Civilization.

    • ziggy zoggy

      The books were saved by the Church. St Patrick is famous for preserving knowledge in Ireland.

      The islamopithecines have always hated books.

      • Mike_Travis

        What good would books do them anyway. The vast majority of mooslimes can’t read.

  • alihusaini

    Ibrahim , what a joke! I do love that historical revisionism about the Inquisition. The Inquisition had nothing to with Muslims practicing “taqiyya” as you say but everything to do with what the Catholic Church eradicating heretics (Christians) in their mist. And of course murdering the Jews as well because anytime European Christians went on their murdering rampages throughout history, the Jews were the first to get it.

    • defcon 4

      What were the muslimes doing in Spain when it was Al Andalus? I seem to remember two or three thousand Jews being slaughtered because the muslime emir appointed a Jewish governor to rule over a province and muzzies like you didn’t approve.

    • ziggy zoggy

      The Spanish Inquisition did not eradicate any group, nor did it try do. It also ended about 500 years ago.

      Islam is trying to convert, subjugate or murder all of humanity right now.

      • alihusaini

        Just ask the Cathars,ooops,they no longer exist because of the Inquisition.You seriously lack knowledge,

        • defcon 4

          Who? Are they like Djinns?

          • alihusaini

            Again,I am not surprised you don’t know of the Cathars,or Donatists,Arians,Nestorians,Huguenots and many,many more so-called heretical groups within Christianity that have been eradicated by other Christians.And when I say eradicated,I mean they were hunted down,tortured and killed,with all their books burned and destroyed.Of course you won’t read that in any books by Spencer and company,they don’t want you to know about those parts of history.

          • defcon 4

            Once again Ali Al Taqiyya, I don’t much care what Christians did hundreds of years ago (when your fellow islam0nazi brethren were doing much worse [especially in the Indian sub-continent]). I much more interested in what islam0nazis like you are doing in the present, to everyone non-muslim and women.

          • alihusaini

            Well then Mr.Tough Guy,grow a pair and do something about it!

      • therealpm

        They’ve been trying to do that for 1400 years. They’re not very good at it, are they.

    • ratonis

      Muslims are in no position to whine about some other society’s “murdering rampages.” That is a real joke. Charlemagne forced conversions at the point of a sword, but in doing so he was directly inspired by the practices of Islam (bad form, that). Also, the Crusades were a Christian adaptation of the Islamic “jihad” holy war (fine influence, there). The Islamic “Golden Age” was built largely on the backs of dhimmi conquered people who had developed libraries, civil institutions, etc. The most accomplished Muslim intellectuals were skeptics regarding the Qur’an and were notable for their distance from Islamic orthodoxy (e.g. Averroes). True Islam—the barbaric embrace of ignorance by Salafi ignoramuses—destroyed whatever positive elements Islam may have brought into the world. Islam understands power, to be sure. But true blue Muslims are in the nature of the case ignorant people clinging to a stupid book allegedly written (or dictated to) a corrupt and pretentious so-called “prophet.” Muhammed is who Jesus would have been had he listened to the voice of the Devil in the wilderness.Muslims KNOW this, implicitly, as is demonstrated by their drooling rages over every alleged slight or critique, behaviors unknown to people who really are confident of their outlook.

      • defcon 4

        “Positive elements of Islam” were destroyed long before that when the peaceful Meccan verses were abrogated by the warlike, intolerant, fascist Medinan verses. An abrogation that also took the form of the complete ethnic cleansing of all Jews and Christians and unbelievers from Saudi Arabia. An ethnic cleansing still in force today.

        • alihusaini

          Boy,I tell you,you could be writing directly from a Spencer book!Amazing!!Let me see here,abrogation in the Quran (which Spencer and company has skewered its true meaning and understanding) has anything to do with the idiotic practices in modern-day Saudi Arabia?Truly defcon 4, your ignorance is shining bright as well as knowing where the source of your “info” comes from.

          • defcon 4

            How many Jews and Christians live in Soddy Barbaria today Ali Al Taqiyya? I believe Jews aren’t even allowed into Soddy Barbaria at all. How many churches or synagogues are there in Soddy Barbaria again?

          • alihusaini

            None and you are speaking to the choir on that issue.

          • defcon 4

            “Well then Mr.Tough Guy,grow a pair and do something about it!”

    • Alvaro

      “The Inquisition had nothing to with Muslims practicing “taqiyya” as you say but everything to do with what the Catholic Church eradicating heretics (Christians) in their mist.”

      If that post of yours isn’t “taqiyya” I don’t know what is. The Catholic monarchs forced Muslims and Jews to convert to Christianuty or face expulsion. Muslims then used the principle of taqiyya as it allowed them to convert to Christianity while practicing Islam in secret. There is even a fatwa from 1504 allowing Muslims to make extensive use of it to maintain their faith. This is well documented.

      Miller, Kathryn A. (2008), Guardians of Islam: Religious Authority and Muslim Communities of Late Medieval Spain, New York: Columbia University Press, p. 114.

      That you push the Jews in front of you, when we know how they have been treated by Muslims in history – and still are being treated by Muslims – is just disgusting.

      • alihusaini

        And how have the Jews been treated in Christian history?I love that in the past 60 years or so that western Christians have suddenly become the Jews best friends,as if that makes the entire persecution of Jews by Christians throughout history goes away.NOW you guys are the practitioners of the religion of peace?Really!?!And all of your denial and forgetfulness makes you all hypocrites and liars.Do you really think the Jews have forgotten Christian persecution and slaughter?

        • Mike_Travis

          Alvaro:

          His remarks are typical for mooslimes, may pig entrails be upon them. You catch them in a lie and they change the subject. ROFLMAO!

          • alihusaini

            Read much dipshit?Your post makes no sense whatsoever,but that is expected from a moron.

          • Alvaro

            His comment was crude, but correct: You were caught with your pants down, and you tried to change the subject.

            The tu quoque fallacy (you do it too, fallacy) and the red herring fallacy (change the subject) are the two common logical fallacies Muslims *always* will serve you. You are no exception.

          • alihusaini

            WTF are you talking about!?!

          • defcon 4

            You’re a master debater aren’t you?

          • alihusaini

            Better than a masterbator like you!

          • defcon 4

            I’m sure you’re the hands on expert in that endeavor, because lying obviously isn’t your strong suite.

          • defcon 4

            But it’s a false, tu quoque fallacy because Christians are in no way persecuting Jews in the manner muslimes are in the 21st century.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “And how have the Jews been treated in Christian history?”

          Imperfectly. We’re honest about our history, or we were until leftist lunatics starting engaging in revisionism.

          “I love that in the past 60 years or so that western Christians have suddenly become the Jews best friends,as if that makes the entire persecution of Jews by Christians throughout history goes away.”

          Jews were treated on the whole infinitely better in the West than under sharia. It’s just that teaching the facts about Islamic history is not allowed according to leftist lunatics like our president. You must not slander the prophet of Islam and teaching the facts of history about a rapist prophet is construed as slander by the likes of you.

          Obviously we don’t expect any level of honesty from you. You’d have to reject your religion first.

          “NOW you guys are the practitioners of the religion of peace?Really!?”

          Yes.

          “And all of your denial and forgetfulness makes you all hypocrites and liars.”

          Dumbass, you read about it on our history books. How does that make us liars or hypocrites? We concede to our sins, and you entirely deny your even greater sins while calling us hypocrites. That’s why we laugh at you.

          “Do you really think the Jews have forgotten Christian persecution and slaughter?”

          No they haven’t. Why should they? Most of them know that Christianity is not a totalitarian religion while Islam is. They realize they have nothing to fear from Biblical Christianity. It’s the Bible corrupters like Mohamed that foment violence and destruction.

          • defcon 4

            The religion Maimonides found most inimical to the Jewish people? Islam. Maimonides himself, was given the unusual choice of conversion (to islam), death or exile in Al Andalus. It was unusual because usually the najjis kaffir was only given two choices.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            And everything but Islam has changed since then.

      • Guest

        Typical mooslime, may pig entrails be upon them. You catch them in a lie and they change the subject. ROFLMAO!

    • therealpm

      Don’t worry, alihusaini. The next time we go on a murderous rampage you can be certain that the Muslims will be the first to be killed.

      • alihusaini

        Not worried at all impotent dipshit!!

        • therealpm

          “impotent dipshit”
          You do realise that when you resort to abuse then you’ve lost the argument.

          • alihusaini

            Oooooooh,we got ourselves an intellectual wannabe genocide participant.

          • defcon 4

            Ah the irony. There are no less than 3 “authentic” hadith that call for the worldwide extermination of Jews.

          • alihusaini

            Look,we’ve got ourselves an Ahadeeth scholar!!!

          • defcon 4

            I don’t need to be a scholar, Hamas quotes one of the hadith in its charter and other insane imams and mad mullahs have vomited them forth publicly

        • defcon 4

          Is that you Reza?

    • objectivefactsmatter

      I see you’ve read some high school history textbooks.

  • Texas Patriot

    Raymond Ibrahim: “In the future (whatever one there may be) the histories written about our times will likely stress how our era, ironically called the “information age,” was not an age when people were so well informed, but rather an age when disinformation was so widespread and unquestioned that generations of people lived in bubbles of alternate realities—till they were finally popped.”

    Absolutely correct.

  • SoCalMike

    For a few years now I’ve been making the observation that Stockholm syndrome is far more widespread and deeply ingrained in the human mind set and psyche than is generally realized and understood.
    This highly lucid and informative article confirms my suspicions in spades.

  • Dyer’s Eve

    I like Mr Ibrahim’s reference in the last paragraph to the so-called ‘information age’. I know what he means: ‘disinformation age’.
    Information is a bit like a fence. A fence works two ways: either to keep something in or to keep something out. Information also works two ways.
    A new Dark Age is beginning.

  • alihusaini

    Do you know what I love about writing posts here at FrontPageRAG?Just a few choice words and the little wannabe genocide perpetrators come out of the woodwork.Always indignant and outraged that a “Muslime” like myself could ever write what I do!!!!How DARE he?He is a pedophile,he is a terrorist,a Jew-hater and on and on and on.And what I find for the most part are very uneducated morons who have possibly read a book or two by Spencer and company or read one of their blogs.And then,BOOM!!!!They have become experts using big Arabic words like taqiyya,najji,etc. as if they have the slighted understand of those words besides what they get from the “experts” and “scholars” of Islam.But you all keep going because I know I will keep making fun of you freaking idiots.

    • defcon 4

      No one kafir has to be an expert on islam to notice what you freakin’ psychopaths are doing to everyone non-muslim in all your muslime sties.

      • alihusaini

        Again,your ignorance of the many Muslim countries is profound.But don’t worry moron,you are in good company here on FrontPageRAG,from the writers of the articles all the way to idiots like yourself.

        • defcon 4

          What “ignorance”? Which of your muslime states don’t persecute the kaffir?

          • alihusaini

            UAE moron.

          • defcon 4

            Are Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhists allowed to practice their faith in the UAE? How many functioning synagogues or churches are in the UAE? How about apostasy laws? Still enforcing those Ali Ali Baba?

          • alihusaini

            The UAE(United Arab Emirates)has churches,Buddhist and Hindu temples and Sikh gurdwaras.As far as synagogues,that I don’t know but I do know Jews who work there.And a few weeks ago I was listening to American Family Radio,by far not very Muslim/Islam friendly was talking about the shaykh of Ras al Khaimah(one of the emirates of the UAE)donated land(you know,gave)to an Protestant, evangelical Christian group to build a church.I’m serious,no lie.You can look it up.So that really kind of destroys the whole”all Muslims hate all non-Muslims” thing we read in FrontPageRAG.Not exactly something you will find on Jihadwatch or Atlasshrugs,uh?

          • defcon 4

            I’ll have to see proof of those factoids Ali Al Taqiyya. What about apostasy laws? You didn’t think I’d let you slime your way out of that issue did you?

          • alihusaini

            Well,go look it up.

          • defcon 4

            How many functioning synagogues are there in the UAE again liar?

    • Drakken

      By your fellow co-religionists actions, we shall know them. Every bloody day there is a muslim atrocity committed around the world, and yet you deny and blame us for your fellow muslims actions. Converts like you are the worst, for they make the best jihadist, easily led and easily killed. You can laugh and continue to deny what is happening around the world and call us names, it won’t matter in the end, because the more you muslims blow things up, rape, murder and rob the infidel, it just makes the coming backlash that much more brutal and unforgiving, if you thought the Serbs were bad? You ain’t seen nothing yet.

      • alihusaini

        Like I said Big Boy,grow some balls.You will need them.

        • defcon 4

          Are you have a few problems w/latency lately?

        • Drakken

          I notice that you keep running your suck, but won’t go to the ME to help your muslim brothers, so who needs to grow some balls again? So come on over, I could use the bait.

          • alihusaini

            I love running my mouth AND I go to the Middle East on a regular basis.

      • defcon 4

        I believe that there are actually many more islamic atrocities that are being committed and not being reported at all, because, let’s face it, freedom of speech and freedom of the press are not recognized in any islamic state.

    • Texas Patriot

      You know, I hate to agree with anyone who obviously hates America and Americans so much, but I have to agree with some of the ideas that alihusaini expresses here. There is no need to insult or denigrate Islam or its Prophet, and it is not profitable to do so. The words of the Koran speak for themselves, and the life of Muhammad speaks for itself. And the more we know about them, the more we realize that the core values and ideals of Islam are totally contradictory to and directly at odds with the core values and ideals of Western Civilization, and I seriously doubt that alihusaini would disagree with me about that.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPeE2AJr0tk

      • defcon 4

        Would you feel the same about nazis and hitler?

        • Texas Patriot

          It is an historical fact that Hitler was fascinated by the militaristic aspects of Islam. His relations with the Mufti of Jerusalem are well documented, and it is well known that Hitler used Muslim regiments from Serbia as a part of the Nazi war machine.

          But, however catastrophic Hitler and the Nazis were for the community of European Jews (and it could hardly have been worse), the truth of the matter is that Hitler and the Nazis were also the worst thing that could possibly have happened to Germany and the German people. The industrial capacity of Germany was destroyed by Allied bombing campaigns, and the Russians ended up taking over half of Germany along with half of Europe.

          How do I feel about that? Not good. Some of my ancestors came to Texas from the Kingdom of Saxony in 1848, and basically the community they came from was almost completely destroyed by the Russians after the collapse of the Third Reich. The story I was told is that when the Russians got there, they killed all the men and raped all the women then took whatever property they wanted. So how do I feel about Hitler and the Nazis? I think Hitler was an idiot and the Nazis were buffoons. But what does that have to do with the topic at hand?

      • alihusaini

        Well Texas Patriot,I really don’t know where you get I hate America and Americans as I am an American and so is the vast majority of my relatives.So as most people here,you are a very selective reader at best or completely clueless.I’m going for the second one.

        • Texas Patriot

          Well, I try not to be, but that’s another matter. Let me ask you a question alihusaini. As an American Muslim, how do you feel about the fact that Islam calls for submission rather than freedom and favorable treatment of Muslims rather than equal rights?

  • herb benty

    “And the Truth will set you free”

    • Texas Patriot

      My favorite passage in the Bible.

  • johnnywood

    Read `em and weep.

  • defcon 4

    There is absolutely no need to insult or denigrate either Nazims or Adolph, and it is not profitable to do so.

    • Texas Patriot

      I see your point.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        We in the West are appeasing and apologizing for them. Well, not really “we” but most of “us.”

        And instead of reading up on the objective facts and analysis, most people are accepting what Saudi funded professors and other jihadi propagandists are saying.

        So I’d say there are a few good reasons for us to speak more directly in some of these conversations.

        The future must not belong to those that slander the prophet of Islam.

        Islam is a religion of peace.

        Islam is 1 of 3 great Abrahamic religions.

        Sounds good enough for me. The real problem is that we have so many blasphemous Islam-o-phobes running around.

        • Texas Patriot

          Personally, I’m never of the opinion that insults are profitable or productive in any situation. From my standpoint, the Islamic doctrines of jihad and sharia are incompatible with Western Civilization, and those who are unwilling to publicly renounce those aspects of Islam, should be asked to leave. Otherwise, we will certainly see the non-stop bombings, beheadings, honor killings and other forms of jihadi violence that are now raging in places like Iraq, Egypt, Somalia, Mali, Kenya, etc. etc. etc. Muslims came into the West under the false pretenses that Islam is a religion of peace. Now we see that it’s not. That in itself was an act of jihad (or war) against the West. The West was ignorant and naive, so we allowed it. Now that we see our mistake, we need to correct it. No need for insults.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            They’re going to “feel” insulted when you confront them with the facts. Any criticism will be characterized as blasphemy, lack of respect, hate, etc.

            You can count on that. Better they get used to the feeling or we will just kill ourselves with our own niceness.

          • Texas Patriot

            I seriously doubt that. Not if it’s done properly. Educated Muslims that I have met are quite rational about their faith. They know much better than we do what it involves. There’s no need to criticize Islam or insult Islam or denigrate Islam. But there is a need to recognize and speak plainly about the fact that the doctrines of jihad and sharia are incompatible with Western values of Human Rights, Individual Freedom and Constitutional Democracy. Most Muslims already know and understand this very well. If they want to practice jihad and sharia, there are plenty of nations in the world where they will be permitted and encouraged to do that. I’m sure many Muslims will wonder what took us so long to wake up.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “I seriously doubt that. Not if it’s done properly. Educated Muslims that I have met are quite rational about their faith.”

            If the conversation doesn’t call for it, then overt confrontation isn’t necessarily a requirement. But neither should anyone be shy about articulating specific criticisms in a manner that gets the audience’s attention. That’s what matters most. In the end, lives will be saved or lost according to how convincing we are while we’re still only using spoken language.

            I’m sure I know more Muslims than you do. I’m sure I know what you experience. I’m also sure that the scope of your experiences is not sufficient to understand intuitively what I’ve tried to explain otherwise I wouldn’t have bothered.

            “They know much better than we do what it involves.”

            You’re speaking for yourself and plenty of other people, but you’re not speaking for me here. They’re taught that they know more about “true” “Islamic” Christianity and “true Judaism” than anyone else. When they’re patient with you, it’s because they expect to educate you slowly.

            “There’s no need to criticize Islam or insult Islam or denigrate Islam.”

            Again, you’re speaking for yourself.

            “But there is a need to recognize and speak plainly about the fact that the doctrines of jihad and sharia are incompatible with Western values of Human Rights, Individual Freedom and Constitutional Democracy.”

            I hate to tell you, but you’ve just denigrated Islam.

            “Most Muslims already know and understand this very well.”

            Yes, they agree with the bottom line about incompatibility but they expect to use their arguments to convince people that sharia is superior. Showing meekness when we have the upper hand (in the West) fits with the teaching that Allah is striking fear in the hearts of the infidel. You validate their theology by your behavior. Did you know that?

            “Most Muslims already know and understand this very well. If they want to practice jihad and sharia, there are plenty of nations in the world where they will be permitted and encouraged to do that. I’m sure many Muslims will wonder what took us so long to wake up.”

            I suggest that if you appreciate the above article and the author that you read a lot more about what Raymond can teach you about Islam. Go to his web site and see which articles are interesting for you and see if you can find some detailed explanations about some of the things that mystify you about Islam and the apparent differences between the ones you meet and the ones that form mobs and slaughter people. Yeah, there are differences, but it’s not like you think.

          • Texas Patriot

            I disagree. Pointing out logical inconsistencies and anomalies between Islam and the law and philosophical foundations of the West is not the same as criticizing or denigrating Islam in any way. Rather, it is nothing more or less than stating the obvious.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Pointing out logical inconsistencies and anomalies between Islam and the law and philosophical foundations of the West is not the same as criticizing or denigrating Islam in any way.”

            1) There is no consistent objective standard for what makes people feel insulted within any given culture.
            2) Islam is the foundation of an alien culture relative to Western cultures.
            3) If you never make people feel insulted when discussing Islam, that’s interesting but probably not as effective as you think.

            If it works for you, that’s great. But you’re not really the go to guy on solving these issues right now. Carry on because you probably are doing some good. I don’t know that your fully qualified yet to be handing out that kind of advice to others though.

          • hiernonymous

            “I’m sure I know more Muslims than you do.”

            On what basis do you offer this comment?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “On what basis do you offer this comment?”

            I’ve read a lot more of his comments than you have.

          • hiernonymous

            I missed the exchange in which the two of you enumerated your Muslim acquaintances – could you summarize?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “I missed the exchange in which the two of you enumerated your Muslim acquaintances – could you summarize?”

            There is no need.

            1) You can follow the links to read past comments.
            2) Your opinion doesn’t matter. The comment only has bilateral implications.

            Feel free to investigate all you want. It’s your time, not mine.

          • hiernonymous

            No, I was simply curious about your bit of chest-thumping. I didn’t expect to see much “there” there.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “No, I was simply curious about your bit of chest-thumping.”

            Funny how you see yourself intervening in situations where you know you don’t even have the facts. He didn’t challenge the statement so why should you?

            Nice try. You’ve actually behaved in the exact same way that you handle other subjects where you simply bluff your way through based on your hope that you’re right.

            I’m not done with you on the Robert Spencer article but there seems to be a limit to how many replies I can make. The new comments are not being published as of a few minutes ago. We’ll see if that technical problem can be resolved.

          • hiernonymous

            “He didn’t challenge the statement so why should you?”

            He apparently wasn’t as curious as I was about the comment you made in a public forum.

            “Nice try. You’ve actually behaved in the exact same way that you handle other subjects where you simply bluff your way through based on your hope that you’re right.”

            I haven’t offered an opinion yet. Unlike some, when I’m not in possession of all the facts, I inquire rather than bloviate. I asked you the basis for your statement, which was certainly a bit of chest-thumping. If you’re suddenly shy about the topic, that’s perfectly okay.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            I’ve always been shy. Have you always been dense?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            I find it interesting the things you choose to pursue.

            Discussing distinctions between Islam and other religions is just a big waste of time for you. Chasing down trivial statements that don’t actually concern you (or shouldn’t) require more focus than discussing distinctions between say, Christianity and Islam.

            Very interesting and revealing.

          • hiernonymous

            Utterly nonresponsive.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Utterly nonresponsive.”

            Correct!

          • defcon 4

            Try criticising islam publicly and politely in any islamic state. Make sure your life insurance policy and will are made up before you do.

          • defcon 4

            Why should I show any respect for a religion whose adherents would murder me in a hot minute for criticising their death cult?

  • ObamaYoMoma

    Thanks great article!

  • John Austen

    England didn’t completely escape their raids either. In the days before we built a navy that could blast them from the seas they attacked fishing boats and trading ships, again enslaving the survivors. Islam today remains a very serious threat to the West, calling for Sharia law from their enclaves. Why we ever let them in the country in the first place is beyond me, as there was never any hope of assimilation.