No to War in Syria

obamadA Senate panel has voted to authorize Barack Obama to use military force in Syria. This is a disaster in the making.

Just as in Afghanistan, Obama has no goal, no plan for victory. He said that the military strikes in Syria would not be directed toward removing Bashar Assad, but then he said that it would be a good thing to remove Assad from power. This was just one of many indications of how ill-conceived and misbegotten Obama’s Syria plan really is.

Obama said that Assad used chemical weapons, but still has not produced compelling enough evidence to convince our closest allies, the British. What he has produced is a series of YouTube videos of dubious provenance, establishing nothing conclusive.

And as is increasingly the case in Afghanistan also, as Hamid Karzai continues to show his true colors, Obama doesn’t even have any real allies inside Syria, either. Even the New York Times has admitted that there is no significant secular fighting force within Syria. The major rebel groups are all allied with al-Qaeda. John Kerry insists they’re “secular” and John McCain assures us they’re “moderates.” None of these groups, however, have shown any sign of being either.

And now McCain has refused to support the Senate resolution, saying that we should only go in if Obama intends to remove Assad. So again we see that Obama’s Syria plan is entirely opaque, even to its most ardent supporters. And that is no surprise, for it is not founded upon any facts that have as yet been established.

Vladimir Putin has openly accused Kerry of lying, saying: “They lie beautifully, of course. I saw debates in Congress. A congressman asks Mr Kerry: ‘Is al Qaeda there?’ He says: ‘No, I am telling you responsibly that it is not.’ Al Qaeda units are the main military echelon, and they know this. It was unpleasant and surprising for me – we talk to them, we proceed from the assumption that they are decent people. But he is lying and knows he is lying. It’s sad.”

Putin added that “what Congress and the U.S. Senate are doing in essence is legitimizing aggression. This is inadmissible in principle.”

It is hard to argue with that. Obama has even admitted that “we may not be directly imminently threatened by what’s taking place” in Syria. In fact, in light of al-Qaeda’s dominance of the Syrian rebels and the opposition of Russia and China to our intervention, going in to Syria could touch off a much larger conflict.

Obama and his national security team – Kerry, Hagel, and Rice – once again seem indifferent to American interests. They have not been honest with the American people about the nature of the Syrian opposition, or how it could possibly be good for America once again to aid pro-Sharia, pro-jihad forces in Syria, as Obama did in Egypt and Libya with disastrous results.

Above all, it is appalling that Barack Obama still hasn’t provided proof that Assad used chemical weapons. It is the height of hypocrisy for him to push forward with military action after criticizing George W. Bush mercilessly for providing insufficient proof of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The stakes are too high for Obama to be playing politics: we need to see the proof, and we need it now.

Yet even if Obama does manage to produce conclusive proof that Bashar Assad used chemical weapons on his own people, that in itself does not ipso facto make the case for intervention – unless the United States is now going to intervene against every tyrant who terrorizes his own people the world over. We do not have a military of sufficient size to do that, especially after the interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan have depleted our resources, weakening us militarily and economically. With no compelling national interest sending us into Syria, it would be much wiser for us to take steps to restore the economy and revive the military rather than get involved in an adventure with no point, no clear goal, and no easy way to get out.

This is the crowning misjudgment of a presidency that has been alarmingly full of them. Nonetheless, Obama said Wednesday: “My credibility is not on the line. The international community’s credibility is on the line.” But the international community has not joined in his call for an attack on Syria. Nor has it agreed that Assad used chemical weapons, or that the rebels are “secular moderates” who must be aided. Obama also said that he “didn’t set a red line,” the world did – but the world is not with him in this.

The American people shouldn’t be, either. The Republican leadership – John Boehner, John McCain, Lindsay Graham – have gone along with Obama. They shouldn’t have. America needs a loyal opposition to stand up in Congress for true American interests, and to insist: no U.S. war in Syria.

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  • Obaid Karki

    Robert Spencer still at large. Wow he inspired the Norwegian Mass Murderer Anders Behring-Breivik to take 77 Innocent Souls in Cold-Blood. I thought he’s busted by FBI. Anyway. If you tell the truth they send you away for life and if you lie they will let you write your autobiography and market it as bestseller.

    McCain were caught playing poker on Smartphone during the derange Teeebaagerzz Boooring arguments. 7/10 smashing. Sen. Ed Markey (D-Mass.) turncoat voting present is treason. Egyptian military Coup d’état was boon for McCain Germs and Graham Bugs in Syria to get DC’s attention. Whitehouse, Pentagon and Congress will do what the Warring Industrial Complex command them do: Dog & Pony Show at the Capitol Hill to load the headlines with War News. Kerry & McCain are Vietnam War heroes. They know very well what they are doing. Chuck Hagel is Godsend. Boehner got to support Obama. Consulting Congress is ploy to buy time for the US Arm Forces to stockpile around Syria; they need minimum six months to do that, especially if it is Boot-on-the-Ground. Sending Code Pink and Pot Hippies to the street to protest against Syria strike is thrill. We’re getting used to it. It’s good for sympathy& sentiments. Oh by the way..Obama to send Qaboos of Oman back again to Tehran to beg Khamenei to return Potus calls asking to stop lynching Levinson the conquistador paparazzi, Hekmati the Spy and Abedini the Evangelizer in Khamenei custody and show their copse on PressTV.. Back to Rando; Rand Paul ain’t Paulite libertarian, he’s a traitor. He can be purchased. Just Call 1-800-KOCHBROTHERS for Bargain Price. He’s spoiler driving the Teeebaagerzz to their Death..

    • lessthantolerant

      Its ragheads like you that need eradicated. Go home and try to fix your own cesspool of a country.

      • Sheik Yerbouti

        From his perspective it is already fixed and the US needs HIS help getting to the same state.

        • lessthantolerant

          Yeah, like we all want to live in third world countries that suck!

    • davarino

      Thats a bad impression of what ever it is your trying to act like. Go back to Obama and tell him it didnt work, but thanks for the intertainment

      • tatave

        Yes,thanks for the entertainement.Never a dull moment.Quite strange that no one asks the pertinent question,why no one wantsto be be in the coalition.Now,what we new has been confirmed by John Kerry,the Americans are gunning for The Saudis.They are the one who will fork out the dough.We are living in interesting times.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      Deranged psychopath.

      We laugh at you such that you would hardly believe it if you could see.

    • iluvisrael

      go take a steaming dump in your koran acccccchhhhhhhhmed

    • American Infidels

      funny 7th century Savage…

      • Boots

        He’s not educated enough to pass the entrance exam for savage. Evan savages have standards.

    • sendtheclunkerbacktochicago

      It is much worse than this Obaid. This pathetic thug from Chicago is a complete and utter fraud and it has been proven and just waiting for the light of truth to shine on it. He will not finish his 2nd term.

    • Philo Vaihinger

      Love your hat.

      • glpage

        That’s a towel.

    • rebaaron

      Say what!

    • ziggy zoggy

      Hey Karki, your profile photo is pretty old so I updated it for you. Enjoy!

      • ziggy zoggy

        Try again, Karki.

  • lessthantolerant

    Everyone needs to barrage our Senators and congressmen to vote no! This is another boondoggle meant to aid the jihadists. McCain is a crazy old man who needs put out to pasture, take that faery Graham with him.
    The idiots in the Senate and House want to seem supportive of our military and yet they do something stupid like this. We will be fighting full scale terrorism in the Middle East within 5 years and this time they will be better armed.
    It is time “We The People” spoke!

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    • sendtheclunkerbacktochicago

      Everyone needs to barrage our entire Congress and demand that they investigate Obama for the use of fraudulent documents that has now been proven to be true via a 23 month long criminal investigation by a number of career law enforcement officers and document experts. We need to rid outselve of this Fraud in Chief instead of just trying to get him on a bunch of scandals that don’t seem to stick to him. Lt. Mike Zullo has been briefing a number of Congresspersons and Washington DC VIPS for the past three weeks with their evidence. They all now know the man is a fraud and we need to confront them about investigating the fraud before they decide to take a vote on this. You need to hound David Horowitz and the Frontpage contributors to start exposing this. The hard work has been done all they have to do is report on it. NOW!

      • lessthantolerant

        The only actual hope we have is actual revolution.

        • defcon 4

          I always wonder how deep and widespread the corruption of the federal US government is — that includes law enforcement entities as well.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Very deep.

          • lessthantolerant

            You can be sure it has deepened in the last five years. The Obie Regime is the most corrupt ever seen on the American political stage.

            His socialist beliefs coupled with his wholly narcissistic personality leads us to a new brand of Pol Pot or Hitler type.
            We live in dangerous times.

    • rebaaron

      I thought this was Obama’s idea. Shouldn’t “crazy” and “idiot” apply to him first. By the way, the People spoke – twice.

      • ziggy zoggy

        What people one? The majority of eligible voters that boycotted the election?

    • MrUniteUs1

      Everyone needs to barrage our Senators and Congressmen to vote Yes! A yes vote means no to chemical weapons.

      • lessthantolerant

        Sadly you are too filled with your own self importance you think we have the right to refuse Syria their rights.

        Let them war out their own problems.

        • MrUniteUs1

          They can minus chemical weapons. Do you want to live in a world where it’s o.k. to use chemical weapons.

          • lessthantolerant

            Anytime Muslims use chemical weapons on Muslims, it is OK with me.

          • tracy

            We used depleted uranium munitions on Iraq,they have been given a death sentence for the next 4.5 million years, and that’s the half life.We can clean up chemicals,we can NOT clean up DU dust,they are inhaling it everyday forever more!So I ask, which WMD do you think is worst?Will they bomb purported chemical sites and blow it up?,and then everyone has radiation and chemical poisoning

          • defcon 4

            Depleted uranium shells are only useful against ARMORED targets, ergo, I don’t think their use was as widespread as you think it is. There are OTHER types of munitions to use against armored targets besides depleted uranium shells (HEAT rounds for example).

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Don’t ingest depleted uranium. It’s bad for you when that happens.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “We can clean up chemicals,we can NOT clean up DU dust,they are inhaling it everyday forever more!”

            Sarin gas in aerosol delivery vs. “dust” from the rare tank attack….which is worse?

            For starters, the entire debate goes back to “mass destruction” vs precision targeting. There is no precision targeting for gas attacks.

            I guess you’ll say that “genetically modified seeds” are also WMDs and therefore we can’t complain yada yada.

            False equivalence = failed argument.

            “We can clean up “chemicals” because…they’re chemicals (!) but “radioactive materials” radiate for a really long time so they must ALWAYS be more dangerous.”

            “Will they bomb purported chemical sites and blow it up?,and then everyone has radiation and chemical poisoning”

            The protocols for destroying chemical weapons usually require a lot of heat. So yeah, it’s a bad idea in this case to pontificate about “red lines” and ironically you need other kinds of “WMD” to destroy chemical weapons in a hostile environment.

  • StepheN

    This was the change we needed?

  • MrUniteUs1

    Are you for or against the use of chemical weapons?

    • davarino

      I am for gad guys using chemical weapons on bad guys

      • MrUniteUs1

        Most of the victims were woman children.
        Do nothing and the use of chemical weapons
        will spread. Other treaties and bans will mean nothing.
        Governments around the word that supported the chemical
        weapons will lose credibility, and more people will die from chemical weapons.

        • ziggy zoggy

          MrBiteUs, Bull$hit. Turds like you didn’t bat an eye when the other Hussein gassed entire cities of Kurds in Iraq, and that didn’t start a gas war against children. And women aren’t worth more than men.

          The only reason you are cheer
          leading the bombing of Assad is because you are a mindless Obamaton troll. You still oppose every Republican use of military force even now, years later.

          Sophistry attempt denied.

    • objectivefactsmatter


      There are many things I’m against that are not worth starting wars over just because I’m against them.

    • Andy_Lewis

      I’m for secularist dictators killing Islamic clerical fascists.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        I’d support an invasion in favor of Assad, as long as we bomb Iran during the effort.

        • Andy_Lewis

          Grab a rifle and knock yourself out.

    • ziggy zoggy

      Nice try but Obamahdi doesn’t want to bomb Syria because of chemical weapons.

    • ziggy zoggy

      MrDivideUs0, are you for or against a Taliban style theocracy in Syria that exports terrorism to the West? Are for or against them getting their paws on more of Assad’s weapons? Are you for or against bombing people without determining their guilt or innocence? Are you for or against the genocide of Syrian Christians by al Obama’s Al Qaeda pals? Are you for or against risking a huge regional war? Are you for or against Iran having nukes? Are you for or against the REAL humanitarian crisis in the Sudan? Are for or against pulling your head out?

  • oandroplex700

    As A Vietnam Special Forces Veteran, I can tell you this, this is beginning to remind me, of just how vietnam started, and obam , is jut foolish enough, to start a war, that I”m afraid could go the same way for America, this foolish strike, MUST!!
    be voted NO!!!

    • sendtheclunkerbacktochicago

      I served in Vietnam at the Combined Intelligence Center, Vietnam for 20 months. The center was commanded by a Marine Colonel. I loved the job. I have been following the criminal investigation of Barack H. Obama for nearly 2 years now and became interested when Jerome Corsi discovered that Obama was a fraud. The career law enforcement officers have busted this fraud and they have been briefing Congresspersons with the evidence for more than three weeks now. Congressman Stockman was the first to be briefed and he now knows that Obama is a FRAUD. Now that should really worry you and all of us knowing that a man that is Commander in Chief of the most powerful military in the world has pulled off the biggest scandal in the history of our country. There are Congresspersons who knew of this scandal before Lt. Mike Zullo took over the case and chose to be silent to this day. Are you sick to your stomach yet Mr. Special Forces Vet? Remembe this is the Commander in Chief who’s rules of engagement cost the lives of 23 Navy Seals shortly after the bin Laden raid. Now I know you are sick knowing that a FRAUD was responsible.

      • oandroplex700

        In answer to your question, YES!!…….as I always had a bad feeling about this guy, as his past seemed a bit to mysterious, and to many unanswered questions, seem to have been sugar coated and hid by the leftie press, that supports him

  • rbla

    Let me get this straight. We are going to legalize 12 to 20 million illegal aliens and will bring in 35 million additional immigrants by the end of the decade while playing a shell game of pretending to secure our borders. Our over-burdened immigration bureaucracy cannot even monitor and vet the current immigrant flow. Assad’s ally Hezbollah is firmly established in Latin America. The Sunni Islamists that we are about to help will thank us by hatching new terror plots against us as they did after we helped extract the Russians from Afghanistan and bombed Serbia to establish a Muslim Kosovo. Yet we are going to rile up our Muslim enemies even further and increase their eagerness to enter our country by intervening in Syria. Have the members of the ruling class totally lost their minds?

    • cpashto70


    • Boots

      No they haven’t lost their minds… they know exactly what they’re doing… Corporatist Chamber of Commerce Republicans love suppressing wages through high unemployment and immigration policy… and don’t care abut the consequences of unchecked immigration. Democrats love poverty because it gives them a steady supply of voters and will support any poicy ensuring the poor stay poor. Liberals hate America’s prosperity and freedom and will ally themselves with anyone who can damage our prosperity and freedom. So… this is all the plan.

      • sendtheclunkerbacktochicago

        A man as great as David Horowitz doesn’t seem to be able to get his hands around the FACT that Barack H. Obama has been using fraudulent documents that enabled him to attain this powerful position.. Horowitz has done amazing work here at Frontpage by exposing all the radicals Obama surrounds himself with. You would think that David would recognize that a man that is more radical than Bill Ayers himself would be capable of pulling off the scandal of the century. I implore David Horowitz to contact the lead investigator Lt. Mike Zullo and ask to see the evidence they have collected over those 23 months they investigated this monster.

      • ziggy zoggy

        Mostly true but neither side understands the consequences of a Mexican colonization of America and they don’t believe it when it is explained to them.

        It’s similar to when Rome invited the Gauls to live on Roman land.

        • Boots

          You’re probably right but I’m cynical enough to believe that most Corporatists and liberals understand the destructive nature of their policies… but only care about their own self interest. It’s the reason liberals see the benefit in keeping the poor from upward mobility… so the poor have to keep voting for Democrats to keep getting their free stuff.

          • ziggy zoggy

            True but most of them don’t understand the long term consequences. They don’t understand that they are inviting colonists to come and eventually take America away from them. They know that life will be better for them at the expense of America in the short term but they really do believe America is too big to fail.

          • Boots

            I wish I had the answer to educating them because unfortunately they appear to be willfully ignorant and it’s the poor who will suffer the most. We own our own business and we depend on skilled employees. It’s the low skilled who will be hurt the most by the colonization short term and the whole country long term. And I agree with you… if Rome wasn’t too big to fail neither are we. Enjoy your weekend.

  • Historian

    Germany had better reasons for invading Poland in 1939 than the US has for bombardment of Syria in 2013.

    Obama’s head should be on a pike if he goes through with this. McCain should get medication and a straightjacket.

  • Unc Remus

    “Someone rid us of this monster”

  • Gee

    The fact is that the ONLY reason for the US to launch worthless strikes on Syria that will neither get rid of the Baathists or end one of the many Arab regimes to use chemical weapons is to get Hezbollah, Syria and/or Iran to attack Israel.

    Once that is accomplished the IDF will remove the Baathist party for Odumba leaving Islamists to take over the country. They he will again attempt to get Egypt and Israel into a war to remove the current regime and allow the Muslim Brotherhood back into power in Egypt.

    Odumba wants Israel to fight his wars for him

    • defcon 4

      The “moderate” islamofascists that ran Syria previously staged massive invasions of Israel (with genocidal intent) on two occasions and were fond of lobbing artillery shells into northern Israel from the Golan Heights.

  • Clare Spark

    I wrote about the audacity of pro-intervention pundits here: “The Syria crisis and historicism.” Argued that comparisons between past and present are unpersuasive; that we are all groping in the dark. More questions and better answers are needed.

  • Walter Sieruk

    As stated yesterday. There is an old saying from the Far -East which is “Nothing is so bad that action will not make it worse.” In the case of Obama wanting to send missles in to Syria this ancient proverb may turn out to be true.

  • Walter Sieruk

    It also needs to be restated. Which in this conflict in Syria Both sides are bad.
    Thre is no national or rational interest for the homeland security of the United States to get involved in the civil war in Syria. America needs to keep out of it.

  • John Davidson

    I hope there are enough rational people left in Congress to stop this expensive madness. Great post as usual coming from this organization.

    • Solo712

      The senators or congressmen wiho will vote ‘no’ won’t do that because they are rational. They would vote that way because they are scared of their constituents and so they bloody well should be. You may rest assured if the polls say two-thirds of Americans are against a war on Assad, then 90% of callers to Washington would be against it.

  • LindaRivera

    Anti-human rights, anti-freedom Western leaders ADORE Muslim Brotherhood-Al Qaeda and will commit ANY act in order to get the Muslim Brotherhood into power into as many countries as they possibly can: Christians are ‘always the scapegoat’: Mideast church leaders reject war with Syria
    by Hilary White, Rome Correspondent
    Thu Aug 29, 2013 15:16 EST

    ROME, August 29, 2013 ( – The head of the Maronite
    Catholic Church has accused the West of deliberately fomenting sectarian
    unrest in the Middle East for economic reasons and at the expense of
    millions of Christians.

    Speaking from Lebanon, where thousands of Syrians have fled the conflict in their country, Patriarch Cardinal Mar Bechara Boutros al-Rai, the Maronite (Lebanese Catholic) Patriarch of Antioch, went so far as to say that there is a plot originating in the West to destroy the Middle East.

    The patriarch told Vatican Radio of his fears of a plan to destroy the Arab world for what he said were “political and economic interests,” saying he had already written to the pope twice warning of this.

    The West, for reasons of economics, have contributed to the “wars without end” in the Middle East “by giving billions of dollars to the [Egyptian] Muslim Brotherhood, so that they could get into power.”

    He added that in such conflicts in the Middle East, it is always the indigenous Christian populations who suffer most, “as if they were always the scapegoat.”…..

  • Corioilis

    Robert, there is sound reasoning behind the plan to attack Syria, and it’s pretty obvious, too: this is going to be a war by proxy against Iran. Iran is a threat against Israel and Saudi Arabia, our friends in the ME.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      A proxy war against a huge nation on the verge of creating it’s first nuclear weapons. Brilliant plan. Nobody would see that coming.

      Of course it’s a proxy war in the eyes of the Jihadis and if we accept the Sunni jihadi terms, we’ll be digging our own graves more than we’d be hurting Iran.

      What is OUR justification for such an approach?

    • defcon 4

      Soddy Barbaria is our “friend”? HA, what a lie. Soddy Barbaria either has the top spot or a close second in financing worldwide islam0nazi terrorism.

    • ziggy zoggy

      Saudi Arabia is a friend like a hole in the head.

  • Vic Pers

    Could it be that the tapes showing the use of chemicals against children were fixed by Alqaeda elements to get the u.s.a. to bomb Syria so that they could gain the upper hand in the battle field? I mean, Doesn’t Hamas on the Gaza Strip do the same stage and coward act against children when they use them as human shields in refugee camps, to make Israel look bad before the world??

    If these Criminals can try to infiltrate in the C.I.A., it won’t be of a surprise, for them to infiltrate in the warehouses where Assad stores these chemical weapons and use them against the most vulnerable … the children. The question of course is: For what purposes does Assad has them for? Those question are the one that confuses the average mind of the majority of the people following this tragic event that is days if not hours to happen. although I don’t care a bleep about what Putin knows about the issue, we nevertheless should give him the chance to produce evidence that his pal Assad’s hands are clean of the grave charge against him.

    • ziggy zoggy

      There is no proof the attack occurred at all. Islamopithecines stage productions like that in every conflict they’re involved in. I don’t know if that film was fake or not but it sure looked fake. Just like the ones they show all day long on the news of terrorist gunmen standing out in the open and pretending to shoot at a conveniently unseen target while photographers stand around filming it. There is never any return fire, of course. I just watched some re@rd fire a bazooka from inside a room and the film cut off as it looked like everything inside was being destroyed by the backblast and obstructed muzzle blast. It was hilarious. It probably killed every terrorist in the room but the news station played it as though it was a blast sent successfully at Assad’s unseen forces.

      • Millie_Woods

        They still use bazookas?

        • ziggy zoggy

          Whatever they’re called nowadays. It wasn’t a rocket launcher. Shoulder launched grenade? Who cares.

          • Drakken

            RPG-7 is what your thinking of. Nasty things if your on the receiving end of one.

  • LindaRivera

    Christians in Syria are being specifically targeted for attacks and savage murders by the barbaric Muslim terrorists that America is backing and are U.S. trained and armed, including the top FAVORITES of U.S. leaders, Al-Qaeda.


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    • Alan

      Interesting. Armenians from Turkey/Anatolia wrote to the Western powers in 1878 (Berlin Conference) and said the following: ” leaving aside everything which constitutes and protects political equality, a Muslim authority would not be able to acknowledge and practice two things, without belying[contradicting] its religion: freedom of conscience and equitable justice…. ” (Bat Ye’or – The decline of Eastern Christianity under Islam – from Jihad to Dhimmitude)… It is so sad to see a Muslim Brother apologist(member?) in the White house.

      • LindaRivera

        ALL Christians and Jews are endangered with an extremely passionate Muslim Brotherhood supporter (member) in the White Mosque.

        • defcon 4

          Don’t forget the Hindus, the Sikhs, the Bahai, the Zoroastrians, the Buddhists. Anyone non-muslime is eligible for the persecution and murder that is dogma in their faith.

          • LindaRivera

            Yes, hundreds of millions of non-Muslims are dead because of Islam, and many taken for slaves.

  • Philo Vaihinger

    RS, couldn’t agree more. The whole thing is nuts. Yankee stay home!

  • Zagat Tragonach

    I am becoming more and more convinced that the Sarin attack in Syria was a ‘Reichstag fire’. Assad would have been insane to carry out such an attack, would have achieved nothing militarily from doing so, and it has, as predicted, called down the fury of the world on his head. This is something that the Al Qaeda led opposition in Syria find extremely useful; which is why I suspect it is they who poisoned a thousand and more people with Sarin gas. Al Qaeda knows that they are not dealing with a rational, experienced leader in the US. They know they are dealing with someone with all the executive drive and authority of a recreation director on a cruise ship. I hope I haven’t slighted cruise ship recreation directors, but I think even they would admit that their job experience does not prepare them for taking the most powerful military in the world to war for dubious reasons and with no exit strategy.

    • Millie_Woods

      Hell, there isn’t even an entrance strategy.

  • Johnnnyboy

    I have some thoughts on why we are doing what we are doing
    in the arabia. Kind of abstract, but I will get to
    the point. Consider what is going on in Libya
    and who the net gainers are.

    First, we define the players. There is a central government
    in Libya, apparently, but it has all but lost control to various different groups internal to the country. We will call them militias for want of a better term. Their loyalties, commonly, are either religious or tribal.

    Abstractly it would appear that the fall of Gadaffi has benefited these groups, but on a functional basis it is a hollow victory because they remain in internal power struggles between each other and what is left of the central government. As a result their apparent victory has actually made them weaker outside the territory of Libya because they are tied up with the ongoing internal strife.

    So, ask the question who benefits from this state of affairs, and the answer is the Oil Sheikdoms, because for them it contains what are potental enemies. In short, they are better off. Perhaps that explains our Syrian policy. The Sheikdoms realize, perhaps after the fact, that the Libyan outcome was a good thing for them, so they want more of the same. They get Washington
    to go along with oil money, and we end up using our military as a mercenary
    army acting in the interests of the oil rich monarchies in the region. Instability is not the unfortunate outcome, it is the goal

  • Johnnnyboy

    I have some thoughts on why we are doing what we are doing
    in the Near East. Kind of abstract, but I will get to
    the point. Consider what is going on in Libya
    and who the net gainers are.

    First, we define the payers. There is a central government
    in Libya,
    apparently, but it has all but lost control to the various militia groups.
    These groups have loyalties defined either by tribal identity or by religious
    affiliation. For our purposes it does not matter which, so I will use the
    fairly neutral term militia to describe them, regardless of affiliation.

    Abstractly it would appear that the militias have benefited from
    the fall of Gadaffi, but on a functional basis it is a hollow victory because they
    are collectively tied up in a power struggle. All they have is transitory
    control over whatever territory they happen to dominate at the moment. And to
    retain this they have to focus their energies internally. That makes them
    largely impotent to the powers outside Libya.
    Effectively, controlling a certain amount of real estate in Libya
    is a use of resources, not a source, and it defangs them for actions that might
    be taken outside of Libya.

    The question then becomes, who benefits from this state of
    affairs, and the answer is the Oil Sheikdoms. That is because these various
    radical groups however defined, if they come to power, will be the enemy of the
    Sheikdoms. And so the net beneficiary of the endless turmoil in Libya
    is the Sheikdoms because it burns off the energies of their adversaries.

    Perhaps doing to Syria
    what has been done to Libya
    is the goal. What we might suppose is that the Sheikdoms realize, most likely
    after the fact, that the Libyan outcome was a good thing for them, so they want
    more of the same. They get Washington
    to go along with oil money, and we end up using our military as a mercenary
    army acting in the interests of the oil rich monarchies in the region. And the
    goal is not a stable country, the goal is internal turmoil.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “Abstractly it would appear that the militias have benefited from
      the fall of Gadaffi, but on a functional basis it is a hollow victory because they are collectively tied up in a power struggle.”

      That’s the nature of Islamic victories, and that’s not as helpful to us as you might imagine. There are many ways for that to play out badly, leaving a host of terrorists with control over resources, also preparing the way for a “rational argument” for us to support a “benign caliph.” They would rally around a caliph and we’d have ultimate proof about the truth of the statement that Islam is a religion of peace.

      None of this is good for us.

      “All they have is transitory control over whatever territory they happen to dominate at the moment.”

      So we get bragging rights for having more stable governments in the West, but their still a nuisance now, and a greater risk if something ever unifies them. Or if technology keeps tending towards favoring small “asymmetric” attacks. There is no good reason to be complacent about any of these developments.

      “And to retain this they have to focus their energies internally. That makes them largely impotent to the powers outside Libya.”

      That is a dangerously deceptive view. Jihadis don’t need to coordinate their attacks the way that huge sovereign nations do when they want to use force to establish “overwhelming justice.” Jihadis are perfectly happy to chalk up any mayhem as a win for Allah. Their metrics and objective are not the same as ours. Any pocket of chaos with Islamic cultural hegemony is dangerous to non-Muslims. Any.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “The question then becomes, who benefits from this state of
      affairs, and the answer is the Oil Sheikdoms. That is because these various radical groups however defined, if they come to power, will be the enemy of the Sheikdoms. And so the net beneficiary of the endless turmoil in Libya is the Sheikdoms because it burns off the energies of their adversaries.”

      But not for the reasons you seem to think. They want power, but towards building a regional and then a global caliphate. That means you will be “asked” to comply with Islamic law.

      “Perhaps doing to Syria what has been done to Libya is the goal. What we might suppose is that the Sheikdoms realize, most likely after the fact, that the Libyan outcome was a good thing for them, so they want more of the same.”

      That’s true, for the reasons I stated.

      “They get Washington to go along with oil money, and we end up using our military as a mercenary army acting in the interests of the oil rich monarchies in the region. And the goal is not a stable country, the goal is internal turmoil.”

      Of course they don’t want stability outside of their own sovereignty. It makes them the “moderate” Muslims that are favored by the West. And the chaos serves their long-term agenda in other ways as well. They know how to play the jihadis. It’s a mistake to think that somehow all sovereigns just want to encourage global peace and stability. They want to overthrow all non-Islamic sovereignty. They can’t do it by force openly. They’re playing the long game because that’s their only hope for their sharia dream.

  • damorris

    This is like another remake of “Requiem for a Heavyweight”,the punch drunk Nation gets one more chance against a hopefully glass-jawed opponent.

    But the fighter’s trainer, Obama , doesn’t give a damn about the fighter,the USA, just his own side bet, his “legacy”.

    There is no good guy in Syria,and there can be no winner,no matter what the U.S. does or which side wins. If the idea is to foment more hatred of the U.S. in the Middle East,this is a great way to do it.

  • John G. Gault

    Obumbler needs a serious rebuke by Congress. He has ruled as a dick-tater. If he wants to go on his own, let him, then it will be OBummer’s war. NO ONE else can order the Military to act. He will blame everyone but the clown in the mirror, but it will be his war and his alone. Too bad many men and women who are far better than he will ever be will lose their lives because he is a clown. Please make the rodeo clown President, he at least knows what he is doing.

  • ew

    I called all of my reps HAVE YOU

  • ObamaYoMoma

    The Islamic world is a profoundly totalitarian world and as a result, with the only exception being infants, babies, and toddlers, there are no innocent victims, as all Muslim are jihadists in one form or another. Thus, those alleged 100,000 victims of the Assad regime were not innocent victims in the least. Moreover, why does the new media only report on the Assad regime’s victims, but never on the Sunni’s victims?

    In any event, Muslim on Muslim violence in Syria is a gift to all non-Muslim infidels. Thus, the last thing we should do is be interrupting their jihad. If we are lucky it will last for decades to come and the number of deaths on both sides will escalate and grow exponentially.

    Furthermore, there is no moral equivalence between the Islamic world and the infidel world whatsoever. Thus, if Muslims want to use chemical and biological weapons to slaughter each other, then by all means lets stand aside and cheer them on!

    • ziggy zoggy

      I saw film of an eight year old islamopithecine being taught to slit a prisoner’s throat.

      • ObamaYoMoma

        Go to youtube and watch all the videos of the kids in the West Bank and Gaza that are in Kindergarten being put through military drills or of toddlers reciting the Koran verbatim. The indoctrination begins at the earliest stages. Again, all Muslims are jihadists in one form or another. Thus, there are no innocents, as Islamic society is totalitarian to the max. Indeed, it’s so totalitarian that for most people it is very hard for them to wrap their heads around that very profound fact.

        • ziggy zoggy

          I’ve seen them and worse. I agree that toddlers and younger are the only innocents.

  • ziggy zoggy

    Iran with its nuclear weapons program is an existential threat to America. Syria with its chemical weapons is not. Who does Obama want to bomb?

    The Sudan murders, enslaves and sexually abuses far more children and adults than Syria does. The Sudan is the worst humanitarian disaster on the planet. Syria is not. Who does Obama want to bomb?

    Like in Egypt and Libya, this is just another ploy by Obama to help replace a secular government in the Near East with another theocracy.

  • Millie_Woods

    I don’t believe any information that comes out of that place. It’s a cesspool of lies, propaganda and dubious allegiances. You can’t trust anyone there, all of their news is fabricated to shape public opinion in favor of one warring faction over another and to draw the US into an undefined conflict to aid Islamic dominance.

    I’m talking about the whitehouse not Syria.

  • doruss03

    Obama should stay out of Syria, he has no business to interfere. If it are Al-Caeda’s that did the killing then it becomes a total different story. Why is it always the U.S. stirring up the shit if something happens at the other end of this world.
    Stay out and dump Kerry

  • ab gujjar

    no war with poor countries

    tube launch review

  • CurmudgyOne

    The Republicans in DC have no guts, no real patriotism, ho honesty. They are morally weak and inept. They are the real enemies within the gates of those of us who oppose Obama and all he stands for. They are no better than Democrats. Every individual who isup for reelection should be voted out in order to show that the People are still in charge. There is no other way to show this fact.

  • henryitso

    what do you think maybe obama and French Foreign Minister used the chemical weapons attack and trying to cover there a##

  • mtnhikerdude

    His goal has always been the destruction of America .In less than five years he has
    done a great job of it . From voting present to voting for a possible WW III .
    Who is the real rodeo clown here ?