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	<title>Comments on: The Problem With Reza Aslan&#8217;s Book About Jesus</title>
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		<title>By: EarlyBird</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Sep 2013 19:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The question is who among Muslims wants to give their lives in holy war against the West.  The answer? Very few.  The one thing that unifies the average, non-West threatening Muslim wants that the hyper-violent jihadist wants is to rid themselves of Western control of their governments, economies and lands.  Why the hell are we there anyway?  Let them have their land back.  Nothing could do more to take the wind out of the sails of the jihadists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question is who among Muslims wants to give their lives in holy war against the West.  The answer? Very few.  The one thing that unifies the average, non-West threatening Muslim wants that the hyper-violent jihadist wants is to rid themselves of Western control of their governments, economies and lands.  Why the hell are we there anyway?  Let them have their land back.  Nothing could do more to take the wind out of the sails of the jihadists.</p>
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		<title>By: The End of Islam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The End of Islam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Aug 2013 22:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In your world, you mention only one &#039;extremist&#039; by name. I think you are less biased than you suggest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In your world, you mention only one &#8216;extremist&#8217; by name. I think you are less biased than you suggest.</p>
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		<title>By: PeterGuenther</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PeterGuenther]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Aug 2013 22:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my world all extremists are dangerous. In your world anyone who is not an extremist is a tool. My &quot;agenda&quot; is to throw water on the flames not fan them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my world all extremists are dangerous. In your world anyone who is not an extremist is a tool. My &#8220;agenda&#8221; is to throw water on the flames not fan them.</p>
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		<title>By: PeterGuenther</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PeterGuenther]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Aug 2013 22:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As far as I can discern, Aslan is pretty much middle of the road.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I can discern, Aslan is pretty much middle of the road.</p>
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		<title>By: The End of Islam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The End of Islam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Aug 2013 22:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I looked in the mirror and heard this: &quot;Spencer by all accounts is a dangerous religious and right-wing extremist,&quot; I would think I was a tool, yes. Aslan is your reasonable friend, but you claim not to &#039;hang&#039; with supremacists? A true tool.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I looked in the mirror and heard this: &#8220;Spencer by all accounts is a dangerous religious and right-wing extremist,&#8221; I would think I was a tool, yes. Aslan is your reasonable friend, but you claim not to &#8216;hang&#8217; with supremacists? A true tool.</p>
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		<title>By: The End of Islam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The End of Islam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Aug 2013 22:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Spencer by all accounts is a dangerous religious and right-wing extremist.&quot;

But Aslan is your reasonable friend. At least my agenda is clear from my handle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Spencer by all accounts is a dangerous religious and right-wing extremist.&#8221;</p>
<p>But Aslan is your reasonable friend. At least my agenda is clear from my handle.</p>
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		<title>By: PeterGuenther</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PeterGuenther]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Aug 2013 22:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lol Speaking of tools - mirror

I&#039;m an atheist and don&#039;t really care that much about what Spencer or Aslan believe. Spencer by all accounts is a dangerous religious and right-wing extremist. (I don&#039;t hang with white supremacists and Neo-Nazis...) that&#039;s not to say I&#039;m not concerned about extremist Muslims as well. Both arel dangerous polemicists who believe god is on their side.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol Speaking of tools &#8211; mirror</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an atheist and don&#8217;t really care that much about what Spencer or Aslan believe. Spencer by all accounts is a dangerous religious and right-wing extremist. (I don&#8217;t hang with white supremacists and Neo-Nazis&#8230;) that&#8217;s not to say I&#8217;m not concerned about extremist Muslims as well. Both arel dangerous polemicists who believe god is on their side.</p>
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		<title>By: Butseriously</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Butseriously]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its OK to lie to infidels. So of course the Hebrew is distorted [as per a new, non-original religion says] because it says the reverse: &quot;Thou shall not lie to the stranger&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its OK to lie to infidels. So of course the Hebrew is distorted [as per a new, non-original religion says] because it says the reverse: &#8220;Thou shall not lie to the stranger&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: The End of Islam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The End of Islam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A critique with no credibility. Loonwatch is an Islamist deflection for useful Western tools like you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A critique with no credibility. Loonwatch is an Islamist deflection for useful Western tools like you.</p>
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		<title>By: The End of Islam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The End of Islam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We are all Muslims, according to Rabid Reza&#039;s topsy-turvy ideology, waiting to &#039;revert&#039; to the true religion. Prompting at the point of a sword or gun will help us, I&#039;m sure, for Islam has never depended on leafleting campaigns.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are all Muslims, according to Rabid Reza&#8217;s topsy-turvy ideology, waiting to &#8216;revert&#8217; to the true religion. Prompting at the point of a sword or gun will help us, I&#8217;m sure, for Islam has never depended on leafleting campaigns.</p>
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		<title>By: The End of Islam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The End of Islam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, what he is is an Islamic fascist, but that never looks good on a resume. Not yet, anyway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, what he is is an Islamic fascist, but that never looks good on a resume. Not yet, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: The End of Islam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The End of Islam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Islam by its very nature is fanatical. Polls show that even Muslims living in the west &quot;who want nothing but to live in peace&quot; support violent Jihad, the eventual imposition of Sharia, and the killing of homosexuals. Thirty per cent claim not to have these views, but it does make them harder to seek out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Islam by its very nature is fanatical. Polls show that even Muslims living in the west &#8220;who want nothing but to live in peace&#8221; support violent Jihad, the eventual imposition of Sharia, and the killing of homosexuals. Thirty per cent claim not to have these views, but it does make them harder to seek out.</p>
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		<title>By: The End of Islam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The End of Islam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As the nature of the debate is centered on religious specifics, I think it is appropriate that the &#039;holy books&#039; themselves be brought into it. Anyway, the contents of the New Testament are way more palatable than anything in Islam, even to an atheist like me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the nature of the debate is centered on religious specifics, I think it is appropriate that the &#8216;holy books&#8217; themselves be brought into it. Anyway, the contents of the New Testament are way more palatable than anything in Islam, even to an atheist like me.</p>
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		<title>By: The End of Islam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The End of Islam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These groups are very quiet, though, and don&#039;t seem to be having much success.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These groups are very quiet, though, and don&#8217;t seem to be having much success.</p>
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		<title>By: James Snapp, Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Snapp, Jr.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 00:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m coming to this a bit late; nevertheless:  I&#039;ve prepared a short book responding to some of the claims about Jesus and the Gospels that Dr. Aslan made in his book.  Its title is &quot;Jesus:  Zealous Savior of the World,&quot; and it is available at Amazon as a Kindle e-book for 99 cents.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m coming to this a bit late; nevertheless:  I&#8217;ve prepared a short book responding to some of the claims about Jesus and the Gospels that Dr. Aslan made in his book.  Its title is &#8220;Jesus:  Zealous Savior of the World,&#8221; and it is available at Amazon as a Kindle e-book for 99 cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Progressives Rule</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Progressives Rule]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2013 16:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I am convinced. Science has a way of doing that. If you really believe the Grand Canyon was formed in less than 10,000 years you truly did miss out on an education. If the world was covered with water enough to cover all the mountains (and I&#039;ll let you decide on the height of the tallest) then where the hell did all that water go? It&#039;s not on the surface. It&#039;s not under the crust. 
Admit it, the flood is just like all the other ubiquitous miracle stories in so many other religions. It may also have some roots in a local flood. There is evidence of the ocean breaking through a small land wall flooding out the area surrounding a fesh water lake. But, a world wide flood? Heck man, they thought the world was flat back then, remember? 
Your sea shells being the only creature to be fossilized (why again?) is devoid of science. You talk about the need for &quot;a very long time&quot; for the follization process to happen. You do realize you only have several thousand years for all that to happen, right? You did not explain why no other animals were fossilized. And you think those mountains rose up from continents smashing into each other with nobody writing about such a huge event?
It&#039;s one thing to be a fervent believer. It&#039;s another to not engage your common sense.
Conclusion: Facts do not matter to you. You need to change your name to BiasedFactsOnly. Then people will know what they&#039;re dealing with when they read your fiction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I am convinced. Science has a way of doing that. If you really believe the Grand Canyon was formed in less than 10,000 years you truly did miss out on an education. If the world was covered with water enough to cover all the mountains (and I&#8217;ll let you decide on the height of the tallest) then where the hell did all that water go? It&#8217;s not on the surface. It&#8217;s not under the crust.<br />
Admit it, the flood is just like all the other ubiquitous miracle stories in so many other religions. It may also have some roots in a local flood. There is evidence of the ocean breaking through a small land wall flooding out the area surrounding a fesh water lake. But, a world wide flood? Heck man, they thought the world was flat back then, remember?<br />
Your sea shells being the only creature to be fossilized (why again?) is devoid of science. You talk about the need for &#8220;a very long time&#8221; for the follization process to happen. You do realize you only have several thousand years for all that to happen, right? You did not explain why no other animals were fossilized. And you think those mountains rose up from continents smashing into each other with nobody writing about such a huge event?<br />
It&#8217;s one thing to be a fervent believer. It&#8217;s another to not engage your common sense.<br />
Conclusion: Facts do not matter to you. You need to change your name to BiasedFactsOnly. Then people will know what they&#8217;re dealing with when they read your fiction.</p>
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		<title>By: Vee Arf</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Aug 2013 23:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Um, using the Bible works, but so does examining historical documents.  I think Aslan is doing what all historians do: analyzing old texts to make an argument.  The critics of his book seem to always, and only, cite the Bible, while Aslan is consulting the Roman&#039;s histories to make his argument.  I might agree that his book should not be taken as fact (and he is not the first historian to present his book in that fashion, by the way) but it cannot be so easily dismissed as dishonest because the Gospels say otherwise.  Analyze his sources and your rebuttal will gain credibility.  


As to the degrees in question, his thesis advisor cleared up the sociology/history question.  Aslan&#039;s degree required extensive historical study, thus his claim to be a scholar of religious history holds some water.  Not that this matters, as you rightly point out the academic credentials are not enough, but still... you brought it up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, using the Bible works, but so does examining historical documents.  I think Aslan is doing what all historians do: analyzing old texts to make an argument.  The critics of his book seem to always, and only, cite the Bible, while Aslan is consulting the Roman&#8217;s histories to make his argument.  I might agree that his book should not be taken as fact (and he is not the first historian to present his book in that fashion, by the way) but it cannot be so easily dismissed as dishonest because the Gospels say otherwise.  Analyze his sources and your rebuttal will gain credibility.  </p>
<p>As to the degrees in question, his thesis advisor cleared up the sociology/history question.  Aslan&#8217;s degree required extensive historical study, thus his claim to be a scholar of religious history holds some water.  Not that this matters, as you rightly point out the academic credentials are not enough, but still&#8230; you brought it up.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Aug 2013 03:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;About those fossils.... why aren&#039;t there all kinds of animal fossils on those mountain tops?&quot;

Because the flood created the fossils, but there is quite a bit of latency between the event onset and the actual process where you have fossils.

Any animals that were not encased would have decayed before the fossils were created. The water would have receded for a very long time before fossils could have been created. You&#039;d never expect fossils in mountains unless there were very unusual cave collapses where the animals were hiding,

Most fossils were created in valleys that were at one point higher than where the animals were located at the onset of the rain and flooding.

&quot;Where did all that water come from to cover the earth?&quot;

The strongest theory is that prior to the flood, the atmosphere was more stable and higher in humidity. In addition, there is evidence that water underneath the crust had been accumulating under pressure. From the perspective of the crust, they would have seen winds stirring the hazy looking conditions in to forming clouds for the first time, and then at some point in the event the crust erupted with water geysers. There was a major series of seismic events associated with the flood, not just &quot;same rain.&quot;

&quot;Where did it all go?&quot;

It&#039;s still here. Water flows in the direction of gravity. Rain and geysers don&#039;t deposit their water directly in to the oceans.

Most skeptics imagine a simple impossible event and then stop there. They don&#039;t do the hard work if seeing whether there are any plausible scenarios.

&quot;Why no mention of the flood in Greek or Chinese or any other civilizations?&quot;

If you can&#039;t find it, perhaps it wasn&#039;t the most important historical event in their minds and it wasn&#039;t widely preserved. And your inability to find it means almost nothing.

&quot;For someone with &quot;facts matter&quot; in your name, you provide very few facts.&quot;



The fact is that there is testimony to an event. Skeptics say that the event is impossible when they don&#039;t actually know. I&#039;m giving you plausible scenarios based on known facts. There actually is quite a lot of objective research, but skepticism and a skeptics interpretation of the data has dominated most sciences, therefore legitimate questions that could be asked are not asked. Plausible scenarios are laughed at because in their minds Darwin already proved the Bible is a joke. 


Scientists are supposed to value objectivity. But they also work in groups and depend on others. Therefore pretending that culture doesn&#039;t influence science just because it shouldn&#039;t influence science, is very naive.


If you want facts, you need to look at the data used in the investigations of the fossils, the various landmarks around the world like the Grand Canyon and so forth, but you&#039;re already so convinced that there was no Biblical flood that you won&#039;t examine those facts objectively.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;About those fossils&#8230;. why aren&#8217;t there all kinds of animal fossils on those mountain tops?&#8221;</p>
<p>Because the flood created the fossils, but there is quite a bit of latency between the event onset and the actual process where you have fossils.</p>
<p>Any animals that were not encased would have decayed before the fossils were created. The water would have receded for a very long time before fossils could have been created. You&#8217;d never expect fossils in mountains unless there were very unusual cave collapses where the animals were hiding,</p>
<p>Most fossils were created in valleys that were at one point higher than where the animals were located at the onset of the rain and flooding.</p>
<p>&#8220;Where did all that water come from to cover the earth?&#8221;</p>
<p>The strongest theory is that prior to the flood, the atmosphere was more stable and higher in humidity. In addition, there is evidence that water underneath the crust had been accumulating under pressure. From the perspective of the crust, they would have seen winds stirring the hazy looking conditions in to forming clouds for the first time, and then at some point in the event the crust erupted with water geysers. There was a major series of seismic events associated with the flood, not just &#8220;same rain.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Where did it all go?&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s still here. Water flows in the direction of gravity. Rain and geysers don&#8217;t deposit their water directly in to the oceans.</p>
<p>Most skeptics imagine a simple impossible event and then stop there. They don&#8217;t do the hard work if seeing whether there are any plausible scenarios.</p>
<p>&#8220;Why no mention of the flood in Greek or Chinese or any other civilizations?&#8221;</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t find it, perhaps it wasn&#8217;t the most important historical event in their minds and it wasn&#8217;t widely preserved. And your inability to find it means almost nothing.</p>
<p>&#8220;For someone with &#8220;facts matter&#8221; in your name, you provide very few facts.&#8221;</p>
<p>The fact is that there is testimony to an event. Skeptics say that the event is impossible when they don&#8217;t actually know. I&#8217;m giving you plausible scenarios based on known facts. There actually is quite a lot of objective research, but skepticism and a skeptics interpretation of the data has dominated most sciences, therefore legitimate questions that could be asked are not asked. Plausible scenarios are laughed at because in their minds Darwin already proved the Bible is a joke. </p>
<p>Scientists are supposed to value objectivity. But they also work in groups and depend on others. Therefore pretending that culture doesn&#8217;t influence science just because it shouldn&#8217;t influence science, is very naive.</p>
<p>If you want facts, you need to look at the data used in the investigations of the fossils, the various landmarks around the world like the Grand Canyon and so forth, but you&#8217;re already so convinced that there was no Biblical flood that you won&#8217;t examine those facts objectively.</p>
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		<title>By: EarlyBird</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 18:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...What they seem to think ... is that anything that seems progressive will always be some kind of improvement just because evolution is organic. And yes, they apply it to democracy, which is also false.&quot;
Well put.  

&quot;...Conservatives ARE NOT opposed to progress. They&#039;re opposed to delusion.&quot;

Hubristic nonsense.  Being humans, conservatives are as susceptible to delusions as anyone else.  Conservatives have not cornered the market on scientific objectivity, even though they honor objectivity more.  

Success may be its worst enemy, because success tends to build movements, and before you know it you have a &quot;conservative movement,&quot; which ossifies into orthodoxy, which is deadly to conservatism.  It&#039;s how intellectual frameworks devolve into tribes, and where conservatism has gone in the past 20 years.

It&#039;s why, for instance, though it had its place after the overregulated, enervated economy of the &#039;70s, Trickle Down Economics became THE answer to every economic circumstance since.  &quot;Times are good?  Cut taxes and regulations, cut all other spending, but increase military spending.&quot;  &quot;Times are bad? Cut taxes and regulations, cut all other spending, but increase military spending.&quot; &quot;In two wars, in hock to China, buried in debt and the financial industry almost took down the world economy? Cut taxes and regulations, cut all other spending, but increase military spending.&quot; 
&quot;I&#039;m fully aware of them. I don&#039;t mean to sell them short as humans that mean well, but they&#039;re not really able to help us fight against the ones that are dangerous.&quot;
I think they are really or only hope.  We encourage and build them up to establish a viable counter-pold  to the hateful radicals.  Otherwise, we can only decide to be at war with Islam for centuries more (if it doesn&#039;t go nculear).    
&quot;You think I&#039;m inciting people...&quot; when in reality I&#039;m inciting some to investigate, and others to show more patience. In some cases.
I don&#039;t think you&#039;re inciting people, but I think you don&#039;t give enough credit for other not to differentiate.  


&quot;We need to radically curtail our visas, make it far more difficult to get citizenship, and also make it clear that some citizenship will be based on continuing loyalty. There should be a process for stripping people of their citizenship in some cases.&quot;
I could live with that.  


&quot;Predicting what Muslims will do according to what some Christians once did in the past just doesn&#039;t have any merit.&quot;
I&#039;m predicting it based on past Muslims and the big majority of current Muslims.  There really are plenty of well-adjusted Muslims living peacefully and loyally in the West.  I am making zero comparisons between Christian and Muslim tenets.  
&quot;A religion that refuses to change after 14 centuries should be taken as one that doesn&#039;t change.&quot;
But it has changed  That&#039;s my point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;What they seem to think &#8230; is that anything that seems progressive will always be some kind of improvement just because evolution is organic. And yes, they apply it to democracy, which is also false.&#8221;<br />
Well put.  </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;Conservatives ARE NOT opposed to progress. They&#8217;re opposed to delusion.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hubristic nonsense.  Being humans, conservatives are as susceptible to delusions as anyone else.  Conservatives have not cornered the market on scientific objectivity, even though they honor objectivity more.  </p>
<p>Success may be its worst enemy, because success tends to build movements, and before you know it you have a &#8220;conservative movement,&#8221; which ossifies into orthodoxy, which is deadly to conservatism.  It&#8217;s how intellectual frameworks devolve into tribes, and where conservatism has gone in the past 20 years.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s why, for instance, though it had its place after the overregulated, enervated economy of the &#8217;70s, Trickle Down Economics became THE answer to every economic circumstance since.  &#8220;Times are good?  Cut taxes and regulations, cut all other spending, but increase military spending.&#8221;  &#8220;Times are bad? Cut taxes and regulations, cut all other spending, but increase military spending.&#8221; &#8220;In two wars, in hock to China, buried in debt and the financial industry almost took down the world economy? Cut taxes and regulations, cut all other spending, but increase military spending.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;I&#8217;m fully aware of them. I don&#8217;t mean to sell them short as humans that mean well, but they&#8217;re not really able to help us fight against the ones that are dangerous.&#8221;<br />
I think they are really or only hope.  We encourage and build them up to establish a viable counter-pold  to the hateful radicals.  Otherwise, we can only decide to be at war with Islam for centuries more (if it doesn&#8217;t go nculear).<br />
&#8220;You think I&#8217;m inciting people&#8230;&#8221; when in reality I&#8217;m inciting some to investigate, and others to show more patience. In some cases.<br />
I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re inciting people, but I think you don&#8217;t give enough credit for other not to differentiate.  </p>
<p>&#8220;We need to radically curtail our visas, make it far more difficult to get citizenship, and also make it clear that some citizenship will be based on continuing loyalty. There should be a process for stripping people of their citizenship in some cases.&#8221;<br />
I could live with that.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Predicting what Muslims will do according to what some Christians once did in the past just doesn&#8217;t have any merit.&#8221;<br />
I&#8217;m predicting it based on past Muslims and the big majority of current Muslims.  There really are plenty of well-adjusted Muslims living peacefully and loyally in the West.  I am making zero comparisons between Christian and Muslim tenets.<br />
&#8220;A religion that refuses to change after 14 centuries should be taken as one that doesn&#8217;t change.&#8221;<br />
But it has changed  That&#8217;s my point.</p>
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		<title>By: EarlyBird</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 17:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How much clearer can I make this, OFM:   you know the Bible much better than I do.  You&#039;re a virtual scholar. I have conceded that throughout this conversation.  Okay?  
But I do know enough about the Bible and Christ&#039;s life to know there is a way that a Christian should act in this world, an example that person should give, some proof in one&#039;s behavior beyond merely reading the Bible and swearing that He is one&#039;s Savior.  
For all I know you have a rich spiritual life and are living a joy-filled life in Christ.  I hope so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much clearer can I make this, OFM:   you know the Bible much better than I do.  You&#8217;re a virtual scholar. I have conceded that throughout this conversation.  Okay?<br />
But I do know enough about the Bible and Christ&#8217;s life to know there is a way that a Christian should act in this world, an example that person should give, some proof in one&#8217;s behavior beyond merely reading the Bible and swearing that He is one&#8217;s Savior.<br />
For all I know you have a rich spiritual life and are living a joy-filled life in Christ.  I hope so.</p>
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