How Soviet Intelligence Promoted Christian Marxism


disWhen you can’t beat them, join them. That’s what the Soviet Union did to curtail Christianity’s anti-communist influence. In a new book titled Disinformation, a covert campaign to discredit Pope Piux XII is revealed. In addition, the Soviets tried to influence the church with a Marxist-friendly version of Christianity.

The communists’ strategy against the church had three pillars: A propaganda offensive; the implanting of agents of influence and the promotion of Liberation Theology, an anti-Western spin on scripture.

Disinformation is written by Ion Mihai Pacepa, the highest-ranking Soviet bloc defector and Ronald Rychlak, Professor of Law at the University of Mississippi. A related documentary has also been released, titled Disinformation: The Secret Strategy to Destroy the West. They disclose how a primary target of Soviet “active measures” was Pope Pius XII.

“The Soviets understood that Pius XII was a mortal threat to their ideology, despising communism as much as he did Nazism. They thus embarked on a crusade to destroy the pope and his reputation, to scandalize his flock, and to foment division among faiths,” Rychlak told me in an interview.

The claim that Pope Pius XII was “Hitler’s Pope” originates in a 1945 broadcast from Radio Moscow or, in other words, the Soviet propaganda apparatus. Later, the Soviets reacted to his death in 1958 with a new disinformation campaign. It’s a lot easier to lie about someone when they can’t respond.

Pacepa, who was serving in Romanian intelligence at the time, says Soviet Premier Khrushchev approved the KGB-drawn plan in February 1960. It was code-named “Seat-12” and Pacepa says he was the Romanian representative for it. He is now publicly detailing his involvement.

Revealing this operation against Pope Pius XII isn’t only important for historical analysis. It teaches us a sober lesson about the effectiveness of enemy influence operations that are undoubtedly ongoing.

“It tells us that disinformation experts can convince us of anything. They took a person widely regarded as a champion of the Jews and other victims—someone who was despised by Adolf Hitler—and convinced the world that he was a virtual collaborator,” Rychlak said.

The second leg of the KGB’s anti-church strategy was to influence those it could not destroy using East Bloc churches, particularly the Russian Orthodox Church.

KGB defector Vasili Mitrokhin provided a secret 1961 directive to infiltrate the Russian Orthodox Church. The objective was to implant agents of influence that could then push out “reactionary” and “sectarian” church figures that were seen as threats to communism.

Mitrokhin disclosed a secret meeting of senior East Bloc intelligence officers in Budapest in July 1967. Two KGB officers gave instructions regarding “work against the Vatican; measures to discredit the Vatican and its backers; and measures to exacerbate differences within the Vatican and between the Vatican and capitalist countries.”

Pacepa illustrates the success of this operation with multiple examples. For example, in January 2007, the newly-appointed archbishop of Warsaw had to resign amidst revelations that he had been a secret collaborator with the Polish secret service during the Cold War.

Rychlak said that Soviet efforts to influence Protestants were also targeted. In 1944, the Soviets established the All-Union Council of Evangelical Christian Baptists, now named the Union of Evangelical Christian Baptists of Russia.

The president of the Institute on Religion and Democracy, Mark Tooley, has written about the communist use of the World Council of Churches.  He notes that hundreds of Protest and Orthodox churches belonged to it as it towed the Soviet line and even went so far as to finance Marxist guerillas.

The third leg was promoting an anti-capitalist, anti-Western brand of Christianity. If the KGB could not eliminate Christianity, it reasoned it might as well manipulate it. Liberation Theology was born.

Pacepa recalls hearing Khrushchev say in 1959, “Religion is the opiate of the people, so let’s give them opium.” He flatly says that Liberation Theology is “KGB-invented.” He has first-hand knowledge of secret Romanian agents being dispatched to Latin America to spread it among the religious masses.

Pope John Paul II had a Vatican committee study Liberation Theology in 1984, Pacepa documents in a 2009 article for FrontPage. It concluded that it was a mixture of “class struggle” and “violent Marxism.”

Robert. D. Chapman writes in the International Journal of Intelligence and Counterintelligence:

“Without doubt, the Theology of Liberation doctrine is one of the most enduring and powerful to emerge from the KGB’s headquarters. The doctrine asks the poor and downtrodden to revolt and form a Communist government, not in the name of Marx or Lenin, but in continuing the work of Jesus Christ, a revolutionary who opposed economic and social discrimination.”

In my interview with Rychlak, Pacepa’s co-author of Disinformation, he remarked that the book was written today for a reason. These strategies are still in play.

“When Nazism was removed from Germany, we had de-Nazification panels…That never happened when the Soviet Union fell. The same people were left in charge,” Rychlak said.

He continued, “In fact, today Russia is run by a former KGB officer who has surrounded himself with his old associates. We are looking at the first superpower that is being run by intelligence officers.”

Pacepa is trying to wake the West up about how its enemies, including him in his past life, exploited its weaknesses. It isn’t easy to admit that one has been manipulated or beaten in some way but the West must, or it will happen again.

This article was sponsored by the Institute on Religion and Democracy.

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  • cathy

    The Marxist Roots of Black Liberation Theology
    by Anthony B. Bradley
    http://www.acton.org/pub/commentary/2008/04/02/marxist-roots-black-liberation-theology

    • ziggy zoggy

      Yes. Those scumbags coopted the class warfare crap and changed it to race warfare.

      Our Dear Leader soaked himself in it for twenty years with his mentor and besty, Jeremiah Wright. Even though neither Obama or Wright even come close to being Black, they are both anti-White racists. Sometimes racism really is illogical and ignorant.

      • Mark Hillyard

        Watch the video, ‘Agenda: Grinding America Down, by Curtis Bowers. It’s free and available now, Google it and watch it. The video puts everything down on one place.

  • http://www.clarespark.com/ Clare Spark

    It wasn’t just liberation theology, but all of social democracy, promoted by Germany, Britain, Italy, and the US alike. See http://clarespark.com/2011/07/16/disraelis-contribution-to-social-democracy/. “Disraeli’s contribution to social democracy.” Call it progressivism, with more than a touch of elitism.

    • ziggy zoggy

      Yes but the Social Democrats didn’t have much luck subverting Churches and Christians.

    • ReyR

      “How Clare Spark Promotes Clare Spark” – Another article FPM needs to publish. The omnipresent creepy Russians be dam*ed, give us the real stuff!

  • Rosenberg

    See also Vasili Mitrokhin’s book “The World was Going Our Way” subtitle “The KGB and the Battle for the 3rd World”

    and of course Yuri Bezmenov presentations

    http://uselessdissident.blogspot.com/2008/11/interview-with-yuri-bezmenov.html

    Yuri Alexandrovich Bezmenov was a ***journalist*** for RIA Novosti and a former PGU KGB informant from the Soviet Union, who defected to Canada.

  • NYgal

    While the article is largely correct, with regard to Pius XII it is wrong. Pius XII aligned himself, by signing the concordat, with the Nazi Germany. I don’t care if Pius XII loved, feared or loathed Hitler, the fact still remains that the Vatican never excommunicated even one catholic war criminal and the escape rat line for the Nazi war criminals did run through and by Vatican, whose officials issued them fake documents and sheltered them.
    This is not a Commust propaganda, but a fact. Let’s not engage in a revisionist history. Which of cause does not mean that the Soviets did indeed engaged in everything listed in this article.

  • ziggy zoggy

    Very interesting. “Liberation theology” is very popular in Latin America. The new pope from Argentina took the name “Francis” after Francis of Assisi, a champion of the poor. He has announced that he wants to reform the Church to focus on the poor, young and elderly – the usual marxist poster boys for the downtrodden. He has added gays to the list of downtrodden and mentioned abortion reform. He has also criticized global economies and Vatican pomp.

    Sounds like all the usual class warfare B.S. to me. The guy is no John Paul.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “He has announced that he wants to reform the Church to focus on the poor, young and elderly – the usual marxist poster boys for the downtrodden.”

      If he wants to reform his church to do that, that’s great. He wants to reform society through governance, which is heretical when he uses communist concepts.

      • http://giantsgiantsgiants.blogspot.com/ David Malbuff

        Very well said and a critical distinction made between church and state. Jim Wallis and his ilk seek the same here in America.

      • ziggy zoggy

        I disagree. The Church should focus on God. The Pope is the Church’s leader, not its owner. Besides, the elderly tend to be the wealthiest segment of most societies and not all children are downtrodden. I agree that he actually wants to “reform” society, and that using communist precepts is heretical. It’s also heretical for Church reformation.

        I didn’t mention it before, but I’m suspicious of what form such a reformation will take. Communism always harms the people it’s ostensibly meant to help. I’m guessing a focus on the poor, young and elderly will take the form of handouts, wasted projects and Marxist indoctrination.

    • Omar

      That’s because Francis is under the influence of the very powerful radical left in Latin America which wants to dominate the world. If we can defeat the radical left, then maybe we can reason with the pope.

      • ziggy zoggy

        Luckily Pope Francis is quite obviously Christian and will never abandon his faith. Radical lefties are also radical atheists and will never abandon theirs. That means they are incompatible and a schism is bound to happen?

  • Montesquieu

    Marxism has all of the characteristics of a primitive counter-Christian religion. In fact, it began as a reaction against Christianity.

    • rangerider

      I would think that since Atheism is now counted as a religion and the commies are Atheist = Religion :-)

      • Montesquieu

        Marxism is much more than an ideology. It is a primitive counter-Christian religion. It is organized evil.

        Shafarevich has written extensively about it:

        http://www.savageleft.com/poli/hoc.html

        • rangerider

          Thank you:-) I have bookmarked it :-)

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “In fact, it began as a reaction against Christianity.”

      Absolutely. Marx was convinced that the Bible was a fraud and could explain all of the “injustice” in the world he knew.

    • Harry Black

      You neglect the fact that Christianity itself began as Primitive Communism. The gospels overflow with evidence. Check out Luke 18-25. This is a religion that initially appealed to slaves, prisoners, the oppressed of the Roman Empire, which is why it was illegal. When it became the empire’s official faith, it was turned into a religion of the wealthy and the powerful. Today folks like the Koch Brothers attend daily services at Our Lady of the Hypocrites. And FrontPage, with its Islamophobia and hatred of the poor and minorities, serves their interests. “Marxism” is simply a cuss word you use, Montesquieu, for something you don’t begin to understand.

      • Drakken

        Obviously your well versed in Marxist theory, class warfare, social justice and an ardent leftist cog. The only hypocrite here is you.

        • Harry Black

          Once again an illiterate ad hominem comment from a FrontPage zealot. No argument, no reasoning, no facts, just name calling. Who exactly do you hope to convince?

          • Bobbala

            What part of what he said wasn’t true?

          • simplynotred

            You don’t even comprehend ad hominem. Please don’t use language that you don’t comprehend its a waste of your own precious time.

          • ziggy zoggy

            He realizes you are an obvious – and now projecting – zealot who is dumb enough to believe the dreck you wrote, which makes you unreasonable and stupid.

          • Drakken

            From your leftist, self hating, self loathing screed above, it is obvious that you hate and despise western civilization and can’t bow low enough and bend over far and fast enough to the 3rd world which threatens our existence. So spare me your precious little fragile feelings.

          • Omar

            How about you renounce Communism.

      • Bobbala

        I still can’t find the instructions to give away other people’s stuff in my Bible. Perhaps you could help …

        • Harry Black

          OK, since you can’t seem to find this well-known Bible passage, I’ll reproduce it for you:

          “Luke 18: 22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. 23 And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich. 24 And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 25 For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle’s eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.”

          Jesus was a primitive communist and a working man. Most Christian hypocrisy consists in the denial of these obvious facts.

          • Bobbala

            That doesn’t really give you the authority to give away my stuff though. He had to volunteer his own stuff. That’s a difference between Christianity and communism. Communist don’t ask, they take. Most communist hypocrisy consists in the denial of these obvious facts.

            Luke 18:26 And they that heard it said, Who then can be saved?
            Luke 18:27 And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.

            There’s still hope for the rest of us though. You have to finish the Book.

          • Harry Black

            Try the story of Ananais. It’s a parable of privatization.

          • simplynotred

            I should call you fool, but you lack comprehension, the story of Ananais is “Not keeping an oath” that was made before God and the community. It has a little to do with Usury a very Jewish economic habit however, which typically engages false statements.

          • Harry Black

            Nothing like an anti-semite (“a very Jewish economic habit”) lurking on David Horowitz’s website. I wonder how he puts up with you.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Nothing like a left-wing troll lurking on this website. You are a perfect example of how successful the KGB was at creating Marxists through its subversive plots against the West. You hate Christians with Lenin like zeal.

            as if you give 2 $hits about Jews. You probably hate them even more than Christians and conservatives.

          • Bobbala

            Again, Ananais voluntarily promised to give. He was under no obligation other than his own word. He could have only promised half and gave half. He could have promised nothing and gave nothing. He had seen Barnabas give and didn’t want to look bad. He served his own pride.

            Acts 4:36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
            Acts 4:37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet.

            Matthew 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

            Matthew 6:2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

            Matthew 6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

            Matthew 6:4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

          • Harry Black

            I think “love your neighbor as yourself” places an obligation on everyone to support the common good. It’s also written into the Constitution. Since the government has the right to levy taxes and the obligation to provide for the common good,it will take your money to support the common good whether you like it or not. Paying taxes is an obligation of citizenship. Denying the hungry food is a Republican program so billionaires keep more of their loot, but until such programs as SNAP are entirely gutted, you will have to keep paying to feed at least some of the hungry. And whether you like it or not–and in your unChristian way it seems you don’t–it’s the law.

          • Bobbala

            I know this comes off as insulting but I don’t know how else to say … Your generosity with other people’s stuff is not generosity. Yes, “Love your neighbor”, definitely. Give as you feel called. Robbing other people is wrong. Even if you want to help still other people, the ends do not justify the means.

            Read what you just wrote. You are advocating “obligation”, “it will take”, “support … whether you like it or not”, “you will have to …”

            What you are calling for is involuntary servitude, or slavery. You are trying to enforce charity on other people. But it’s OK if enough people agree it is for what you call “good”.

            The Constitution guards and defends individual liberty, not group rights and claims against those persons.

          • Drakken

            No matter how many times you bloody communist progressives try communism in any form, it always ends up with a stack of dead bodies, well no thanks and get bloody stuffed.

          • Bobbala

            That’s why they never ask your permission.

          • tickletik

            Look at hiw this two faced weasel justified theft and mass murder. He pulls vague open ended statements that appeal to some civic virtue and then implies that all are rights, our time, even are lives are subservient to that. The framers of the Constitution would have gutted a cowardly lying bastard like you, and regarded the act to be virtuous.

          • Fritz

            So who defines what “The Common Good” is? Is the common good giving away billions to solar panel companies? Is the common good bailing out mismanaged corporations, banks, and union pension plans looted by corrupt union leadership? Sending arms to Muslim Brotherhood and El Qaeda groups in Syria, or money to the now deposed Muslim Brotherhood regime of Mohammad Morsi? It’s sort of subjective isn’t it, which means that the “Common Good” can amount to anything those in power say it is.

            Many Republicans are church goers who donate and volunteer to charities who feed the hungry, clothe them, find them jobs. They put their own money and time on the line, not demand it from someone else, then prattle on about “it’s the system man” or “People need to pay their fair share”.

          • Harry Black

            It’s not simply “subjective.” The government Americans elect defines the common good. That’s the system we live under. You may not like it, but a majority of Americans believe Obama and the Democrats should decide what the common good should be. If you disagree, go out and convince the voters otherwise. But face a few facts: the majority now believes that food stamps, social security, unemployment insurance, Medicare, Obamacare, and a host of other programs represent the common good. Republicans want to cut or eliminate these programs. No wonder they are increasingly unpopular (check recent polls). They’re now fighting battles they’ve already lost, attempting to undermine laws the majority clearly wants. In 2012, voters rejected their program, which amounts to a cruel war on women, children, the elderly, the poor, and immigrants. They now face a future in which they will always be a minority party–that is if the party doesn’t disintegrate before the next election.

          • ziggy zoggy

            You understand representative government even less than you understand Christianity. A very slim majority of VOTERS – not all of America – were stupid enough to think the Obamaburo would better serve their interests than Romney the adult and Republicans that would have cut their free benefits. They do not want the Obamaburo to decide what is best for them. Not even Marxist ret@rds like you want that.

            The majority do not believe social services serve a common good. They believe some people need them and some people don’t. The majority of Democrat voters receive multiple social services, which is why they vote Democrat to have them continued. A war on women, children, the elderly, the poor and “immigrants.” Straight from Marx via the Soviets.

            Parasites of America unite!

          • Foolster41

            “War on women”. See, right there we can see by Using that phrase tells us you’re dishonest, and not interested in honest debate about whether any posisiton is correct or moral (such as with abortion, which is what the “war on women” phrase is most commonly used). Instead it falsly implies that a party wants to intentionally hurt that segment.,

          • Harry Black

            The war on women involves more than simply opposing abortion. It now means men passing restrictive state laws including forced transvaginal ultrasounds–and you guys talk about “freedom”!–which make it very difficult if not impossible for a woman to obtain an abortion. Men are making these laws. (Rick Perry told his wife to shut up when she said abortion is a woman’s right.) No surprise, then, that a majority of women oppose them. It’s a war, and because of it the Republicans are losing the women’s vote, a mild punishment compared to what they’re trying to do to women.

          • Drakken

            Well we can plainly see that your ‘Life partner” wears the pants and the strapon, how quaint, your a puzzy.

          • Harry Black

            Thanks for the appeal to reason Drakkon and for elevating the conversational level on FrontPage. No doubt you have over the years convinced hundreds, perhaps even thousands, of women to vote Republican.

          • ziggy zoggy

            You have no doubt convinced nobody to cut out their brain and become a commie, but you have probably convinced plenty of women to drink something you spiked with roofies behind their backs.

          • Foolster41

            My main point was you make an assumption about the motivation of “restrictive laws” (wouldn’t laws be the natural extention of opposing abortion? Are you saying that it’s okau to verbally oppose abortion as long as they don’t do anything?) that it is by men because they want to hurt or control women

            Could it be simply that they believe abortion is wrong, and at worst are well intentioned but wrong? Could it be they see it as the “freedom” of the child to not be killed out of convience for the women (and yes, many cases of abortion, if not most are out of convience and not because of any health threat)?

            This is where we need to go to improve the climate of discourse, and why it is so bad. Talk about the issues, not make insinuations that they hate someone based on disagreement.

          • Harry Black

            My point is that the restrictive laws being passed by male Republican lawmakers are designed to punish, humiliate, and discourage women who seek abortion. A majority of US women favor the right to choose. From their viewpoint, the Republicans are waging a war on them.

          • Foolster41

            Yes, they are designed to discourage abortions – because the law makers (and presumably and hopefully if they do so, their constituents) disagree with abortions! How about that! So you ARE saying that someone isn’t anti-women if they say they disagree with abortions (i.e. the view that they are morally wrong),but they are if they act on it?! So now people who disagree with you aren’t allowed to vote to pass laws? (Obviously activist judges and the like passing laws is bad)

            That doens’t mean they do so because they hate women. You are STILL making a presumption about people who oppose abortion that is an ad honim attack (while you complain about ad honims!).

            Tell me, would you favor the right to choose to enforce slavery? To a person who is against abortions they see it as an infringement of the child’s right, and so to say “if you don’t like don’t get one” is not a reasonable choice to a person who sees abortion as morally wrong.

            People can disagree on whether or not abortion is wrong or not, and talk about the finer points about when life begins based on science, but calling someone who disagrees with you a misogynist because they disagree with you is not helpful.

          • Foolster41

            And to be clear, I’m not saying pro-abortion people are like pro-slavery people, I’m saying to an anti-abortion person they are concerned about the rights of the unborn child.

          • Harry Black

            I haven’t yet use the word misogynist or said they “hate” women although no doubt on some level some or perhaps more than some of them do. The net effect is the same. Racists passed racist laws that hurt blacks and the historical wounds have yet to heal. Republicans pass laws that hurt women (e.g., laws that ban abortion even in cases of rape and incest and medical emergency). What would you call them? In my view they ARE misogynists even though they might say they love women and want to protect them, just as racists liked to say they loved black people and simply wanted to protect them. From the blacks’ viewpoint they are racists; and from a majority of women’s point of view, they are misogynists. The Great Sages of the Republican Party may not get this, but where you might see “honest” disagreement, others see a war on women. And since last time I checked women had the right to vote (no doubt “honest” folk might disagree about that too), don’t be surprised when some of those women-loving misogynists of the Republican Party get voted out of office.

          • Foolster41

            *sigh*. They deep down hate women, why?

            Because they pas anti-aborrtion laws, they must in some way deep down hate women (no other reason is given)! Not because, you know they see a fetus as a human life, or see abortion as murder (they might be wrong about that, but that’s not the point I’m making), but it must be because they deep down hate women.

            Harry black (perhaps a psychic psychologist) is not interested in discussing whether or not Abortion is right in any case, or the balance between a child’s rights and it’s mothers rights, no. he’d rather demonize those who dare to disagree with him. If you have any sort of opposing viewpoint to Mr. Black, then shut up.

            And to your own analogy, someone how is anti-aborition could say like how the slave owners didn’t think they hated blacks (though they did see them as inferior), too so do pro-abortion people see the fetus as inferior and are harming it.

            To reiterate, my point isn’t about whether abortion is right or not, but the use of terms like calling names like Mysoginist, women-haters.

            A recomendeds video, “Shut up” with Andrew Klaven:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWHgUE9AD4s

          • Harry Black

            You really have to hate women to vote into law the requirement that women undergo a transvaginal ultrasound in order qualify for an abortion. That’s sadistic and unnecessary even if you oppose abortion. There’s a name for those who write and vote for such laws: misogynists.

          • Foolster41

            One: please stop posting mutliple posts. It’s annoying. (I realize you’re probably not doing it on purpose, but please check to make sure a post went through before trying again)

            Two: Fine. perhaps the ultrasound is unnecessary and bad. That’s not really the point I’m making. I might be more inclined to agree with you that ultrasounds are bad, if that were the only thing you were saying. But you say that “more than some” those who are anti-abortion do so because they hate women, and those in the “honest disagreement” actually wish women couldn’t vote and hate women because they oppose abortions. For one thing, unless you are a psychic or very gifted psychologists, there’s no way for you to really know that.

            Also, whether or not I think abortion is right, I’m going to oppose you on your demonetization of people because they disagree with you. It’s not hate to be opposed to abortion. It’s not hate to be for abortions. People should discuss the issues, not demonize. Plain and simple, you are slandering people because they disagree with you. It’s childish.

            Also, there is very little difference between men and women who favor or oppose abortions[1], so make this an issue of gender lines is outright wrong. The issue those who oppose abortions isn’t because they want to deny women a right, or have power over them, but because they feel it is not a positive right (like voting, which doesn’t deny anyone else’s rights), but it denies the right of an unborn child. A person who is pro-abortion can show how they are wrong in this (i.e. show how a fetus is not a person), but that is difference than saying they hate women.

            [1]http://www.gallup.com/poll/127559/education-trumps-gender-predicting-support-abortion.aspx

          • Harry Black

            One: multiple posts because it seems my posts were not going through. Two: you can claim I’m simply “demonizing people,” but people earn their reputations through their actions. For a large percentage of American women, what the Republicans have been doing constitutes misogyny and a war on women. We should be clear: women’s lives are at stake. This is not simply a question of semantics. The right wing’s nationwide attack on Planned Parenthood, to cite but one of many instances, has had grave consequences for women’s health. The word “misogyny” is mild when it comes to characterizing the behavior of the anti-abortion fanatics. I would also use the word “criminal.”

          • Foolster41

            One: You might notice I’m not double posting. All I’m saying is a little care can prevent that.

            Two, I’m done. Ladies and Gentlemen, observe.
            Mr. Black seems to be fixed on demonizing people who dare to disagree with him. He is what’s wrong with politics today. Not because of his views on abortion, but how he goes about discussing it. He ignores any legitimate reason for opposing Abortion (i.e. seeing a fetus as a life) and instead says that being against abortion is enough proof of an action to be called a mysoginist. Period. If you think Abortion is wrong, because a fetus is a life you hate women.

            Here’s my point of view:
            If you are against abortion, you are not a monster.
            If you are for abortions, you are not a monster.
            See, the difference between us? Again, this is my only point of contention with Mr. Black. I’m not arguing whether abortion is wrong or not, only saying that people who are for or against abortion hate women is wrong.

            Also, since Mr. Black mentions planned parenthood being “attacked” (i.e. that’s his rhetorical way of saying “being opposed to”, but only when people he disagrees with do it, it’s not “attacking” if he criticizes anti-abortionists or republicans don’tchaknow) he might want to educate himself on it’s history. It was founded on the racist ideals of eugenics (a point of interest since he’s so against slavery). A woman named Margret Sanger who founded PP said “Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race.”

            “[We should] apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring.”

            Whether or not you are are for abortion, shouldn’t such vile ideals be “attacked” (“strongly speak out against, and oppose”)?

            He cites women’s health, but unless I’m mistaken only a small minority are against complete removal of abortion in cases of health crisis. And indeed, they see it also as a female health at risk, the life of a child, so this is a red herring to try to make out anti-abortion people as putting women at risk.

            If he once again posts the same thing once again (all his posts have the same message: if you are against abortions, you hate women) I won’t be responding. I’m done with these circles, but I’ll leave you with a song:

            Soul Coughing – Circles (Album: El Oso, 1998)
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEFQTY4hjUk

          • Harry Black

            Foolster41 fails to notice that the policies he advocates have awful real life consequences for women. Shuttering Planned Parenthood, which is mainly in the business of providing reproductive health services, deprives women of needed health care. Banning abortion in the second and third trimester, banning abortion in the case of rape or incest or if the mother’s life is in danger–these policies are monstrous and misogynistic. The anti-abortion fanatics don’t give a damn about women’s health or survival or the health of the fetus once it becomes a child. While we might argue about whether or when the fetus has a soul or is a human, there is no arguing about the lives of actual, living women, which these new Republican laws write off.

            As for the level of discourse here: since I consistently oppose the Tea Party-anti-abortion line, I’ve been vilified and abused again and again. I have not attacked Foolster41 in this way. But since this non-conversation is coming to an end, I will say that he has simply replayed the same old pro-abortion tape. Yes, Margaret Sanger’s enthusiasm for euthanasia was vile, but it’s irrelevant to the lives of women today.

            And to return to my original point: because the Republicans are conducting a war on women, they are losing the women’s vote along with the votes of immigrants, the poor, and minorities. Since they can’t win a majority, they resort to manipulative, anti-democratic tactics: gerrymandering, voter suppression, and now holding the world economy hostage in an attempt to undermine settled law and the Constitution.

          • Harry Black

            Foolster41 fails to notice that the policies he advocates have awful real life consequences for women. Shuttering Planned Parenthood, which is mainly in the business of providing reproductive health services, deprives women of needed health care. Banning abortion in the second and third trimester, banning abortion in the case of rape or incest or if the mother’s life is in danger–these policies are monstrous and misogynistic. The anti-abortion fanatics don’t give a damn about women’s health or survival or the health of the fetus once it becomes a child. While we might argue about whether or when the fetus has a soul or is a human, there is no arguing about the lives of actual, living women, which these new Republican laws write off.

            As for the level of discourse here: since I consistently oppose the Tea Party-anti-abortion line, I’ve been vilified and abused again and again. I have not attacked Foolster41 in this way. But since this non-conversation is coming to an end, I will say that he has simply replayed the same old pro-abortion tape. Yes, Margaret Sanger’s enthusiasm for euthanasia was vile, but it’s irrelevant to the lives of women today.

            And to return to my original point: because the Republicans are conducting a war on women, they are losing the women’s vote along with the votes of immigrants, the poor, and minorities. Since they can’t win a majority, they resort to manipulative, anti-democratic tactics: gerrymandering, voter suppression, and now holding the world economy
            hostage in an attempt to undermine settled law and the Constitution.

          • Harry Black

            One: multiple posts because it seems my posts were
            not going through. Two: you can claim I’m simply “demonizing people,” but people earn their reputations through their actions. For a large percentage of American women, what the Republicans have been doing constitutes misogyny and a war on women. We should be clear: women’s lives are at stake. This is not simply a question of semantics. The right wing’s nationwide attack on Planned Parenthood, to cite but one of many instances, has had grave consequences for women’s health. The word
            “misogyny” is mild when it comes to characterizing the behavior of the anti-abortion fanatics. I would also use the word “criminal.”

          • Harry Black

            One: multiple posts because it seems my posts were
            not going through. Two: you can claim I’m simply “demonizing people,” but people earn their reputations through their actions. For a large percentage of American women, what the Republicans have been doing constitutes misogyny and a war on women. We should be clear: women’s lives are at stake. This is not simply a question of semantics. The right wing’s nationwide attack on Planned Parenthood, to cite but one of many instances, has had grave consequences for women’s health. The word
            “misogyny” is mild when it comes to characterizing the behavior of the anti-abortion fanatics. I would also use the word “criminal.”

          • Harry Black

            You really have to hate women to vote into law the
            requirement that women undergo an invasive ultrasound in order qualify for an abortion. That’s sadistic and unnecessary even if you oppose abortion.There’s a name for those who write and vote for such laws: misogynists.

          • Harry Black

            You really have to hate women to vote into law the
            requirement that women undergo an invasive ultrasound in order qualify for an abortion. That’s sadistic and unnecessary even if you oppose abortion. There’s a name for those who write and vote for such laws: misogynists.

          • Harry Black

            I never used the word “misogynist,” but I will now. Segregationists “honestly” thought segregation was God’s law. Blacks rightly saw them as racists. History has not been kind to those racists. No doubt many of The Sages of the Republican Party believe abortion should be illegal, and a good number think it should be illegal under all circumstances, even if a pregnancy results from rape or incest, or if it threatens the life of the mother. A majority of US women do not share these beliefs. Republicans may not believe they hate women, but they are passing laws at the state level that are hateful and sadistic. (How would you like it if some woman you know was forced by the state to undergo a transvaginal ultrasound in order to obtain a legal abortion?) Women–and men–have every right to call the Republican anti-abortion fanatics misogynistic and to think–correctly in my view–that the Republican Party is conducting a war against women.

          • Harry Black

            I never used the word “misogynist,” but I will now. Segregationists “honestly” thought segregation was God’s law. Blacks rightly saw them as racists. No doubt many of the Sages of the Republican Party believe abortion should be illegal, and a good number think it should be illegal under all circumstances, even if a pregnancy results from rape or incest, or if it threatens the life of the mother. A majority of US women do not share these beliefs. Republicans may not think they hate women, but they are now passing laws at the state level that are hateful and sadistic. Women–and men–have every right to call the Republican anti-abortion fanatics misogynistic and to think that the Republican Party is waging a war against women.

          • Harry Black

            You really have to hate women to vote into law the
            requirement that women undergo a transv*gin*l ultrasound in order qualify for an abortion. That’s sadistic and unnecessary even if you oppose abortion. There’s a name for those who write and vote for such laws: misogynists.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Since when is it a mother’s right to commit infanticide, you communist monster? Since when is it acceptable that the father has no right to protect the child that shares half his chromosomes? Women are incubators, not owners. Children are not slaves. Where is their freedom, you fiend?

            Who passes the laws allowing women to murder their own children against the will of the fathers? Mostly men and mostly Democrats. Who made it legal? An all male Supreme Court. Who started the war against babies? Women. Le$bi@ns, female supremacists, irresponsible sluts $lut$ who got pregnan because they couldn’t be bothered to use contraceptives and self serving harpies who changed their minds about pregnancy some time after they became pregnant. They all have one thing in common: They would rather murder their own children than face the inconvenience of carrying them to term. Worse yet, they want to force their obscene crime on the rest of us in true totalitarian fashion.

            The Baby Holocaust is the most horrific crime in human history. We will be judged harshly by future generations.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Stupid commie. Tricks are for kids. Being a good neighbor has nothing to do with wealth redistribution. Neither does the Constitution. Tax revenue was meant to pay the expenses of the government, not to feed people. Maintaining a country has nothing to do with “common good.” Any republican opposition to social service programs is based on hatred for government waste and corruption. It has nothing to do with billionaires keeping the money they EARNED – not that taking every penny they had would pay off government debt.

            The KGB poisoned more than Christian doctrine. They poisoned the tiny minds of useful idiots like you.

          • ReyR

            Friend, you seem to be too intelligent for today’s America.
            Beware. Better still, consider emigration while you still can. There’s a lot of world to see, trust me.

          • Rense

            You would do well to learn what sociologists know of the communist Hutterite communities in North America.

            Me thinks you will have to relearn the lessons that that Raisa & Mikhail Gorbachev learned about communism.

            Raisa learned that communist Russia was not a classless society. My significant other learned the same thing in another communist country.

            Mikhail learned that the whole thing was a lie. Maybe it had to do with all the queues and empty store shelves.

          • ReyR

            You would do well to learn that “methinks” spells as one word – an American citizen is supposed to know enough English before you lecture others, you waste of space.
            And the term “significant other” betrays a liberal. We Russkis dislike libradoodles – try and remember it, unless you’re medicated to stupor like so many other entitled pompous nobodies in “the land of the free”. You don’t know half-sheit about Mikhail, Raisa or communism, my bombast academic friend, and about many more things either, judging by your tone.
            Rather than wasting your time as a virtual preacher, wake up and look around. You ain’t seen nothing yet. As to queues and empty shelves, and much more, you’re going to see how it all looks within a couple of months, dude, and it won’t be on the TV.

          • Drakken

            That is what it is going to take to wake up Americans out of their self induced coma, empty shelves.

          • tickletik

            It looked like he was backing you up not arguing against you. I dont think he understood your sarcasm

          • Rense

            Epic Fail Professor ReyR

            https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/methinks

            Alternative forms
            me thinks, mythinks, my thinks

          • ReyR

            Alternatives be dammed. This one tends to stick to the genuine stuff only.

          • Rense

            As to empty shelves in America …

            Maybe you have heard of the prepper movement?

          • ReyR

            Sure have. What can I say – at least some people in America think. At least sometimes.

          • Rense

            Using the term “significant other” mocks the left, which has destroyed this country and makes the commentary a little more ambiguous about personal details (i.e it hides information).

            Now if you are really persistent pr professional, the attempt at hiding information might slow you, but no more.

          • ReyR

            Exactly. In my book, a man has a wife, all other “terms” are crazy, period. A man who has a significant other is a very insignificant man with no bal1s and a d1kk for head.

          • Fritz

            Hutterites are not communists, they do not live in a commune they live in a colony. They also operate co-cooperatively not collectively, they still act and think as individuals, anyone can join and anyone can leave when they like. If a Hutterite colony is communist then so would anything else that is jointly owned or involves partnerships, like a publicly traded corporation.

          • Rense

            Truth is Raisa wrote about how the Soviet Union, the supposedly classless society, had social classes.

            I’ll trust that I do not know as much about Raisa as you do. You know more hands down.

            But I do know the fact that she proved the USSR was not a classless society. That is all I need to know. I was backing up my point with research (someone else’s research).

          • ReyR

            One doesn’t have to be a Raisa to prove that the sun don’t shine at midnight in Louisiana. Only the starry-eyed western academics and our proles used to believe in a classless society. We always knew better, so I just don’t see the point in your discourse, sir. The USSR was NOT a classless society, so what? Neither was it a paradise on earth, nor hell under the sun. It was quite livable, for the majority. And what’s good for the majority, is mostly good, even if I do prefer today’s freedoms in Russia.

          • ReyR

            One doesn’t have to be a Raisa to prove that the sun don’t shine at midnight in Louisiana. Only starry-eyed western academics and our pro1es used to believe in a classless society. In fact, they invented it. We always knew better, so I just don’t see the point in your discourse, sir. The USSR was NOT a classless society, so what? Neither was it a paradise on earth, nor he11 under the sun. It was quite livable, for the majority. And what’s good for the most, is mostly good, even if I do prefer today’s freedoms in Russia.

          • simplynotred

            No your almost literate, except your comprehension is poor. He was referring to a man who was wealthy, and had asked Jesus what he could do to serve God even more than he was already doing. This does not apply to each and every person, for they are not streaming with wealthy lifestyles everywhere. So he was only referring to ONE individuals not to the Mass of people in Israel at the time. He did not say that a Rich man cannot enter Heaven, only that the burden of being “Attached to the World – Like any Materialist IS, makes it difficult to put focus on his duties toward God.

            Jesus is talking to you Harry, a Marxist, Materialist, whose focus is “Serving the State,” which will send you to Hell as your reward for you actions in this life. Comprehension is everything Harry : [Ye] lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto
            the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

            And when Harry heard this he was sorrowful because he could not give up his worship of the Marxist State. How hardly shall they that have riches (Sustainability) enter into the kingdom of God! Statist have always put material welfare before the Kingdom of God, and are denied Heaven for the materialist baggage will keep you from entering through the “eye of the Needle”

          • tickletik

            Nowhere in the passage you quoted does it say a single word about forcing a man to give up his possesions against his will. And i do not even beleive in Christianity, and I can already see you are lying about it.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Idiot. Personal charity has nothing to do with government redistribution of wealth. And Jesus was a Rabbi. You know even less about Christianity than you do communism.

      • Reader

        Marxism rejects the natural law, I.e. the inalienable rights. it is not accidental that marx repeatedly degraded the Jews as well – for the same reason. He proclaimed the superiority of the advanced Marxist elite over all other people. Again, it is not accidental that Lenin, an infamous Marxist, linked Marxism with Hegel’s statism. And of course, the core link between Marxism and Islam is that both are virelantly anti natural law.

        • Harry Black

          “Lenin an infamous Marxist.” Wow! “Virelantly.” Zowie! Marx’s “advanced Marxist elite.” Who were they? German refugee shoemakers living in London!

          • Reader

            Did you even read the Manifesto, dufus?

          • Harry Black

            Nothing like name calling. Clinches your case!

          • simplynotred

            Sensitive are we now – Harry?

          • Harry Black

            I’m totally insensitive to the likes of you. My point is that the sort of ad hominem abuse that passes for discussion on FrontPage is a descent into stupidity. If you can’t argue your case with facts, you’d probably do better to shut up.

          • Reader

            Harry, you can’t even address the contents of something those you are defending emphasized. You’re deflecting throwing around insults and complaints about being insulted. Honestly, we’ve had trolls more apt than you are. Oh hh

          • tickletik

            I dont agree, in the case of a provably two faced liar and human garbage like you, abuse and insults are a great idea.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Abuse, insults, etc. are all trolls like him understand or respond to.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Absolute projection from some stupid troll spewing Kos style Marxism and ad hominem abuse because he can’t argue his case. Typical left-wing tactic. STFU.

          • simplynotred

            In your case to the LIKES of any Human by the sound of it, but then I like martial arts, and you may be fun to spar with. So let me see, you have no realistic philosophy (or sorry that’s right your a Marxist), you are relatively simple minded (Materialistic sort), and you like verbal sparring (but don’t seem to succeed in getting your points of view explained), with statements that are senseless, and your a sensitive sort. Damn what a loser. Maybe you would be good for a punching bag after all.

          • Omar

            You are probably an agent of Occupy Wall Street, the Communist Party USA, Daily Kos or some other radical left-wing website.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Insensitive? Does the herpes crime cause numbness? Stop rubbing it on your head, comrade.

            You have yet to post a single fact on this thread. Communism is as dishonest and ridiculous as astrology but at least astrology makes people happy instead of dead, imprisoned or enslaved.

          • ziggy zoggy

            His @$$ herpes make him very sensitive.

          • simplynotred

            Don’t pick on the hairless one too much, cause he is VERY SENSITIVE to SPEAKING honestly, and logically at the same time.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Typical leftist.

          • tickletik

            Didnt you just call someone else and illiterate two comments previous? You little weasel.

          • Harry Black

            When someone posts an illiterate sputter, I call it what it is. Illiterate is hardly an insult compared to what you just wrote Mr. Tickletik. And, btw, you might do a refresher course int he use of the apostrophe.

          • Bobbala

            … but you enjoy it so.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Criticizing typos is a fallacious argument and the sign of a feeble mind. Another leftist favorite.

          • tickletik

            Let me repost what you wrote me, but switching some of the words around. I want to show you how meaningless what you said was. All I need to do is change the names and it’s just as effective in the other direction. Check it:

            When someone posts weasel sputter, I call it what it is. Weasel is hardly an insult compared to what you’ve been regularly writing Mr. Harry Black. Btw, you could use a refresher course in the use of the conjunction “and”.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Illiterate.

          • simplynotred

            Be nice, Harry is a simpleton, now, you must give him room to spite his poison.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Of course not. He gets all his disinformation from leftard websites like the Daily Kos.

          • simplynotred

            Harry your Hatred for human kind is showing, maybe you should try being a slave rather than attempting to be a human hating master. Then you might sense the ill gotten stupidity which Marxism renders on your fellow man. But no, you won’t but let your hatred continue until it eats you alive. Sorry Harry, you simpleton notions of control freak-dom makes for a joyless world.

          • Harry Black

            Yikes! Another FrontPage illiterate. There seems to be an endless supply.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Writes the ignorant Marxist troll who is too stupid to understand his own economic ideology – which is based on the idiotic economic rantings of an unemployed loser who died long ago.

          • tickletik

            Sarcasm and snark, when bullshit fails, the scum can always rely on snake.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Zowie! You aren’t funny or effective at all when you lie! I hope you’re better at your night job in the red light district.

          • Omar

            Lenin ordered his Bolsheviks to murder the Czar’s entire royal family in Russia, including the Czar’s son, who had hemophilia. There are many major differences between Jesus Christ and the Communist dictators you admire, but one of the most obvious ones was that Jesus promoted peace and prosperity between all peoples, while the Communist dictators (like other fascists) tried to eliminate anyone who didn’t agree with them.

          • Harry Black

            Be careful Omar. There is a difference between Communism and communism (small c). Primitive communism is one thing; Marx’s communism another; and Lenin’s yet another. Marx formulated the theory of the dictatorship of the proletariat; Lenin theorized the dictatorship of the party as a substitute for Marx’s proletariat, thus laying the groundwork for Stalinism. Primitive communism describes pre-industrial communal societies. Jesus’ kingdom of heaven was a kingdom of equals in poverty and was initially a religion of slaves and the poor. The Romans considered Christianity subversive until they found a way to turn it into a religion of the wealthy and powerful, which is what it is for the most part today. I would add that although Jesus was the prince of peace, he said nothing about prosperity; the gospel of prosperity is an invention of 20th century shysters.

          • reader

            Harry definitely has a problem with reading comprehension, if only he is not using his useless professor’s spark notes. Because anyone can get a text of Marx’s Manifesto and find out that Marx himself elevated the communists as “the most advanced and resolute section of the working-class parties of every country, that section which pushes forward all others… [and having] over the great mass of the proletariat the advantage of clearly understanding the lines of march, the conditions, and the ultimate general results of the proletarian movement.”

          • Harry Black

            A working class party c. 1848–and Marx was deliberately exaggerating in the Manifesto because there were very few at the time–wasn’t the same thing as Lenin’s vanguard party c. 1917. That party was, as Lenin admitted, composed primarily of bourgeois intellectuals. Lenin’s Bolsheviks ended up suppressing the working class movement and establishing a state capitalist dictatorship, thus paving the way for Stalinism. What you consider Communism was in fact a form of capitalism.

          • reader

            This is trivial in its incoherentness, which marxists proudly call dialectics. Normal people call it logical contradictions. EVERY marxist regime established elite – predominantly by the “intellectuals.” Marx himself was a failed investor in commodities, as he was a failed economist – and Lenin was a failed lawyer. Marxists love to call its movement scientific, yet they reject the corner stone of the scientific method, which is empirical evidence – and vast one at that. Hence, marxism is not science. It is a death cult, as is Islam. Hence, mutual admiration.

          • Harry Black

            “incoherentness”? LOL

          • reader

            Yes, Harry is laughing out loud, after the commies murdered and impoverished hundreds of millions of people. He wants to continue this experiment – of course as “the most advanced and resolute section,” not as a nameless number on a rice field. Yet, many sympathizers failed to ensure their rightful place. Harry is just too dumb to recognize reality.

          • Harry Black

            If you weren’t blinded by Tea Party ideology, you’d notice that I abhor Lenin and Stalin and their crimes, and that I have no love for Russian state capitalism which was, after all, a form of capitalism.

          • ziggy zoggy

            If you weren’t blinded by hatred and stupidity, you’d admit that you would love to repeat Lenin and Stalin’s crimes against those you consider enemies.

            You don’t know anything about Tea Party principles.

            You wouldn’t know capitalism if it bit you in the @$$, even though it provides you with your food, shelter and clothing.

            Go live on a commune with fellow traveling ret@rds if you hate American prosperity so much. The rest of us want to avoid repeating the mistakes of the past.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Criticizing typos, grammar, spelling, etc. is a fallacious argument one favored by lefty trolls. Why don’t you try addressing his facts, LOL?

            Oh, wait. Look who I’m asking.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Guess your mentors never told you about Lenin’s purges.

            State capitalist dictatorship? Bullcrap. The Soviets never ran their government for profit and didn’t allow the private enterprise it needed to maintain a prosperous or even livable society. That is why it eventually collapsed under its own bankruptcy.

            Moronic robot.

          • Harry Black

            Uh, I think you mean Stalin’s purges. Do you have any idea who he purged?
            As for state capitalism: most “capitalist” states are mixed economies with a combination of state and private enterprise. The USSR was pure state capitalism–it may not have been prosperous or livable, but it lasted 70 years, and like all capitalist economies, it was defined by wage labor and capital accumulation, a good deal of which was extracted from slave labor.

            But be warned ZZ: This is the last time I will reply to a post in which you indulge your penchant for name calling and abuse. Abuse reveals who you are, and that you are unfit for civilized conversation.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Uh, I am writing about the people Lenin had purged from his party, you fucking ignoramus.

            All your gobbledygook about the Soviet Union comes from a worthless textbook. I recognize the stupidity of the phony professorese. The Soviet Union never operated on capital. It operated by printing money and minimum commerce with other countries. It hung on for decades but don’t be surprised, you hopeless ignoramus. Capitalism is a recent development in human history. No Empire, Kingdom or City State of the past was based on it and Rome lasted a heII of a lot longer than the Soviet Union.

            Your demented lies and utter refusal to acknowledge facts or even address the ones you can’t find a plagiarized (and phony) rebuttal to. You are an uncivilized boor who eschews honest debate for misdirection, plagiarized lies and the usual troll attempt to keep the thread off topic.

            Go fuck yourself, you commie turd.

          • El Mac

            Well said Harry Gosset.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Again, you know even less about Christianity than you do about Communism.

            Nothing you pasted even begins to address the facts that Omar wrote, and it is all false anyway. Lenin and Stalin practiced what Marx wrote. It was always about first among equals totalitarianism.

            Equals in poverty is not communism or Christianity and Christianity began as a religion of free and educated men. Slaves and the poor are what you find in communist countries.

            Constantine declared Rome a Holy Christian Empire because the majority of its population was Christian and he knew he would lose control if he continued paganism as the official religion. The majority of the Empire was anything BUT wealthy and powerful. Jesus discussed many aspects of poverty and prosperity and so did many Old Testament figures

          • ziggy zoggy

            There are well more than three BILLION Christians in the world today, and very few of them are wealthy.

            Left-wing morons like you believe all the lies, pathologies, bigotries and hatreds that you are fed by extremist professors and websites. Worse yet, you preach their stupidity even more rabidly than they do. You never even consider doing independent research to find the facts. The Bible and the rantings of Marx are available for anybody with web access. I suggest you read them because you are far worse than an ignoramus: You are an indoctrinated automaton and fanatic who is incapable of independent thought. And quite frankly, you are stupid. Your paste jobs have been factually refuted up and down this thread but you refuse to accept, or even consider, reality. Society is a worse place with people like you in it.

          • Harry Black

            Dear me! Five posts to one. And after behaving like a raving maniac, you start calling other people “whack jobs.” You write: “Like all Christian hating lefties, you rely on excerpts from whack job left-wing websites and professors.” I don’t think the quotation from the Bible I posted is the work of a “whack job,” unless Saint Luke fits your definition of one. Apparently you have a deep-seated need to spew hatred and abuse. Rant on! I will no longer respond to your foul, nut-case posts.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Now you’re even pasting your own comments. Pathetic.

          • Harry Black

            The majority of the United States, as you might put it, is anything but wealthy and powerful, but as in ancient Rome, it’s the wealthy and powerful who run the show. Jesus’ disciples were working men–not always free, not usually educated, and not at all rich. Jesus’ ministry was to those at the base of the social pyramid. This is what he preached at Nazareth at the beginning of his ministry: “The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.” (Luke 4:18-19) I’m interested in understanding the historical Jesus; you seem to be making up a Jesus who would comfort not the poor and the oppressed, but the Mitt Romneys and Charles Kochs.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Christians do not run this country. Not Christians of ANY economic level. Strawman attempt and reverse logic attempt: DENIED.

            Jesus’s disciples were comprised of the self employed. Some were wealthy. All of them were literate. Jesus as commie attempt: DENIED.

            Pasted Bible quote used to bolster you idiotic plagiarized nonsense attempt: DENIED.

            Jesus was talking about bringing shunned people into the fold, because the grace of God is meant for all who accept it. He was talking about God healing the afflicted. was not proclaiming class warfare. Reading comprehension award: DENIED.

            You understand nothing about the Bible because you have NEVER read it. Like all Christian hating lefties, you rely on excerpts from whack job left-wing websites and professors – none of which understand it either. All the commentary you endorse is false. Not only that but it is deliberately false. You have been lied to. Not that you care. You will believe anything that justifies your hatred and pre-conceived notions.

          • Harry Black

            Dear me! Five posts to one. And after behaving like an abusive raving maniac, you start calling other people “whack jobs.” You write: “Like all Christian hating lefties, you rely on excerpts from whack job left-wing websites and professors.” I don’t think the quotation from the Bible I posted is the work of a “whack job,” unless Saint Luke fits your definition of it. Rave on! But I will no longer respond to your abusive posts.

          • ziggy zoggy

            You relied on a whack job paste to distort the Biblical passage.

            Phony graceful exit attempt: DENIED.

          • El Mac

            You a simple hater. No more, no less. Well….boring then.

      • Mark Hillyard

        Inform yourself. At the beginning they did try that form of living but it soon passed, it is not taught. Check out Truth in History for a better idea of what Christianity is. It’s not what the tv preachers teach either. http://www.truthinhistory.org/

      • Bobbala

        All of the religions of the world have one root goal. They are all man’s attempt to justify himself to a Holy God, or gods, or self, through his own works. The Norse people would fight and die in battle to be accepted into Valhalla. The American Indians lived in harmony with nature to please the Great Spirit and be admitted into the Happy Hunting grounds. Muslims jihad against the infidels to please Allah with their and, if necessary their own blood ….

        Christianity is a relationship with a real, personal Savior — Jesus Christ. A Christian depends not on his own works, but on the completed work of his God to gain his acceptance into His presence. Without faith in Jesus, it is impossible to please God. With faith in Jesus, It is time to go to work. I am glad to know that you read the Bible. I hope this will help you use the Bible.

        • Harry Black

          Bobbala (a misspelling of Bubala?): wow, a real religious fanatic on FrontPage. Congratulations! You’ve found your digital soapbox.

          • simplynotred

            Harry Black: A real simpleton, raised by simpletons, and full of simple half truth to support a simple idea. “Man is god.” Not true, and would be “NOT TRUE” regardless if the Bible existed or not. Man’s flaw is his dependence on a higher power in order to serve men who are control freaks, or God of whom gives men Freedom and Peace not as the world gives. Control Freaks are always slave masters, and think they know whats better for other men. To bad for simpletons, the only peace they obtain on occasion is a full belly, it that.

          • Harry Black

            My program is food, clothing, shelter, health care, and education for all. That makes me a control freak? God doesn’t seem to be supplying the goods these days, although humans possess or could possess an overabundance. Moreover, capitalism isn’t doing any better than God. So perhaps a little DEMOCRATIC socialism a la Scandinavia is needed. We could begin with single payer health care.

          • Bobbala

            If you think this economy is a failed free market you are a fool. The state dictates hiring, firing, wages, land use, … It restricts which products are produced, who may buy them, who must buy them, from whom, …

          • Harry Black

            The free market has never been “free” in the Ayn Rand-Paul Ryan sense. There never was such a market. But the “free” market we have now is a total disaster–income polarization, poverty wages, etc. In my view, the government doesn’t do enough to restrict the free market in favor of the working person. So Bubala, enjoy your future as a minimum wage employee at McDonalds.

          • Bobbala

            Agreed, so why do you insist on more of the same bondage to a failed, state controlled economy. The real jobs are flowing to the free, or freer markets. Maybe we should be like them. Free and prosperous people have the luxury of being more charitable.

            We’re being left with the McJobs or paid for not producing anything. How is that a recipe for prosperity? You have to be productive to be prosperous. People of Zimbabwe are/ were zillionaires. (Things may have changed. I’m not up on current African politics.)

            I wouldn’t agree that many republican politicians are in favor of freedom. They just want to do a “better” job at Master. Not that that would be hard compared to Obama. LOL

          • Harry Black

            Prosperity depends in large measure upon how and where capital is invested. The corporations that took their profits out of the US economy and invested them in the Third World destroyed the prosperity middle class Americans once enjoyed. The US government should not encourage, as it does, the export of US jobs overseas. Hedge fund entrepreneurs and vulture capitalists like Mitt Romney are getting rich from the failure of our “free market” economy. The rest of us, the 99%, suffer the inevitable result of a “free” market in which there are few well-paying jobs and US corporations care only about the next quarter’s bottom line.

          • Bobbala

            If you insist on the state dictating terms to investors, why are you surprised when they leave? Let’s make it a real free market.

            A free voluntary exchange of goods and services might just make the US a little more attractive. I wouldn’t mind a market based wage. Then you could still buy a can of coke for 25 cents. But if you’d rather be rich … Like you said. “Enjoy your McJob!”

            They’re making stuff elsewhere because they can make money — Whether you like it or not. The US credit card is maxed out and contrary to popular fiction, the borrower does not set the debt ceiling. We better start making it legal to make real goods, that real people are willing to buy and with their own money …. Adios, obamamobile.

          • Harry Black

            And who makes it legal? No, don’t answer. You’ve already tripped over your own reasoning. Corporations are cutting their ties to the US because they can, and with government encouragement. That’s one reason the US economy is going downhill. And if you think China, Vietnam, India, etc. don’t dictate terms to investors, you’ve never looked at the business page of a newspaper. They get their cut in exchange for keeping labor cheap.

          • Fritz

            So businesses and their capital should not be allowed to cut their ties with the U.S? What do you suggest, expropriation and nationalization of such companies? How exactly do you think an economy should work?

          • Bobbala

            I suppose you could hold a gun to people’s heads to keep them here but the productivity is gone. Law or no law. God, you must hate when other people resist obeying you and live their own lives. People want to be free. Why does that offend you? If the US is a good place to do business, everyone is leaving, Fill the void. You have a whole bureaucracy to tell you how to do it.

            “The state dictates hiring, firing, wages, land use, … It restricts which products are produced, who may buy them, who must buy them, from whom, …”
            — Bobbala
            But Not in China, et al. Thus they produce real products that real customers want to buy and with their own real money. That’s how come they have the gold and the US has the debt.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Name one American “corporation” (commie shibboleth) or company that has cut ties with America.

            I would call you a stupid commie, but is there any other kind, really?

          • ziggy zoggy

            More capital is invested in America than anywhere else – by an enormous margin.

            Mitt Romney got rich in America with other Americans generated wealth in America.

            99% of Americans benefit from “free” markets. Free markets have created 100% of American prosperity.

            Marxism is a joke and so is that tiny thing you’re tugging on.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Another attempt at sophistry. All the problems you profess to care about are caused by big government.

            The Soviets created a church of Marx and you ran straight in and put on the yoke.

          • tickletik

            Such a liar. You make it sound like your program will be enforced using silk tissues and perfume with gentle requests for aid from the public. Yet didnt you say above government provides whether “you like it or not”? Dont you also mean to add “whether it puts a bullet into your head or not”? Your pretty words come with a death toll, with lies and propaganda funded by the theft of the labor of far better men than you. I honestly dont believe you deserve to live.

          • Harry Black

            In the US, which is at least nominally a democracy, you pay taxes whether you like what the taxes support or not. If you refuse, you can be fined and may go to jail. In authoritarian North Korea, you get a bullet in the head. You, Mr. Guest, belong in North Korea since you think in terms of bullets in the head–including my head. You quite perfectly represent the sort of intolerance, the authoritarian mindset, of the Tea Party zealots.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Lying idiot. Totalitarian wannabes like you all want to kill your perceived enemies. Guest is right: you don’t deserve to live.

            The Tea Party is opposed to government tyranny. You worship it.

          • Omar

            Oh, please. You and your Occupy Wall Street zealots have been trying to destroy American democracy and transform the United States into a Communist totalitarian country for a long time. When will you learn that Communism doesn’t work?

          • ziggy zoggy

            When he’s in a FEMA reeducation camp.

          • Fritz

            You guys on the American Left always have these fantasies about single payer health care, ( a euphemism for a state run health care monopoly) but you never ask the opinion of anyone who actually lives under such a system. Do you know how long it takes to get an MRI scan in Canada for example?
            How about knee surgery or hip replacement? Did you know that Canada has the highest proportion of healthcare management personnel per capita of anywhere on Earth? What’s more you are NOT allowed to pay for your own health care if the public system already covers it, you must join a cue, or go out of country. In many places in Europe, they have private as well as public hospitals, and you can pay for health care out of your own pocket.
            Scandinavia isn’t as socially liberal as you think it is. In Sweden for example, prostitution is highly illegal, they prosecute Johns as well as prostitutes and give them real jail time. Drugs like marijuana, which are slowly becoming legalized in the U.S and Canada, are greatly frowned upon, and there are no shooting galleries for heroine addicts.
            With regards to private property, if the state denies you full usage, lets say they find an endangered species on your land, they have to compensate you. Not like what the EPA, and other agencies do in the U.S and Canada, which is rope off a section of your land, denying you usage, and tell you to suck it up.

          • Harry Black

            Apparently you like Swedish social democracy. That’s a start. You may not like Canada’s healthcare system, but overall Canadians like it very well. It’s certainly a lot better than what most people have in the US.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Swedish social democracy is forced on its citizenry – which is why the country will soon be broke and Muslim.

          • Red47

            Better than what MOST people have in the USA? But not better than what MOST had before the ACA was passed.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Your program is wealth redistribution to be used as your overlords see fit. You’re doubtlessly stupid enough to believe you’ll be one of the elites.

            God has billions of more happy followers than Marx ever will.

            Capitalism has produced the most affluence and egalitarianism in human history.

            The soviets didn’t need to poison Churches to poison a willing whore like you.

          • tickletik

            I like you ziggy! :D

          • Bobbala

            Have I wrote anything untrue?

            Your works and your giving, no matter how great, done without faith are merely glorification of self and service to one’s pride.

          • Harry Black

            Stick to your God Bubala. He seems to be keeping you happy. But since I have no proof of him–or Him as you would style it–I take issue with everything you say. Btw, why does your god always have to be a man?

          • Bobbala

            He didn’t ask me.

          • Harry Black

            So no talking back! Obey orders! I guess your looking forward to an afterlife in a celestial North Korea.

          • Bobbala

            I don’t have a problem with Jesus being male. I don’t feel it necessary to fight “the Man”, I suppose.

            It’s like how some people claim that Jesus was black. Would that make Him any less God? By the Bible, If you lived then and saw Him, you wouldn’t think too much about Him from his outward appearance.

          • ziggy zoggy

            The Soviets poisoned Churches, our education system, media, Democrat party and ret@rds like you.

            North Korea is the government model you have been selling, you projectionist.

          • tickletik

            What do you know about being a man? You are degenerate little thief and weasel.

          • ziggy zoggy

            So you take issue with another persons beliefs? That is the root cause of communism. The desire to control others – even their thoughts.

            You have no proof of E=mc2. Do you take issue with everything Einstein said? How about Charles Darwin or Isaac Newton?

            You are a complete POS, just like your precious Obamarx.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Practicing Christian = fanatic? It takes a fanatical Marxist to write something so stupid.

      • ziggy zoggy

        Ancient Christians were proletariat who didn’t control the means of production? In the pre-industrial world?

        Christianity is now the religion of the wealthy?

        You Christian hating leftists use Marxism to try to justify the stupidest fantasies imaginable.

        • Harry Black

          Ziggy Zoggy? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

          • ziggy zoggy

            You replied so you are awake and frustrated. Sounds like a typical night for you.

            So how were the Ancient Christians communist proletariat? What industry was there in the pre-industrial world? Did the Ancient Christians march for social justice and labor unions? Did they conduct pogroms and build gulags? Is Christian Latin America a billionaire’s paradise? There are well over three billion Christians in the world. How many of them are billionaires?

            I don’t expect an honest answer from a Kostroll, of course.

      • TRAV1S

        The idea that Christianity was some kind of primitive communism is a Marxist myth. If you actually read the historical record it appealed to middle class women and philosophers.

        • Harry Black

          Not to mention Madonna, Monty Python, and Miley Cyrus.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Your version of the three wise men, no doubt. Cretin.

      • Omar

        Christianity is not primitive Communism at all. Christianity is anti-Communist and supports prosperity. Front Page Magazine does not hate Muslims at all. They are intolerant of radical Islamists because they want totalitarianism and Sharia law. Moderate Muslims are victims of radical Islamist extremists. You should check out what Islamo-fascism Awareness Week is really about. Anyway, the term “Islamophobia” is used by the Muslim Brotherhood and their leftist allies to silence critics of Islamism, Sharia law and the true goal of Islamist extremists in the world. You and your leftist cronies engage in hatred of Christians, Jews, Westerners, free-market supporters, as well as any perso who supports democratic values, regardless of characteristics.

      • El Mac

        Spoken like a true commie. How original.

      • Milan

        Wow, you know so much ….which is wrong. Intelligent moron.

    • Mark Hillyard

      With all the human slaughter they caused over the last century and counting, I’d say they’re also anti-human.

      • simplynotred

        With the human slaughter that the long history of Materialist in the communities of UR, to our present time five centuries of slaughter by Statist, it is any wonder that each generation of Statist continue to fail to comprehend what evil they do.

  • NYgal

    Since my post never appeared, let me reiterate that while the article is largely correct, Pope Pius XII was hardly a victim of a false Soviet propaganda. He did signed a Concordant with the Nazi Germany, thus undermining anti-nazi Catholics in Germany, he did, at least, tolerate the rat line running through the Vatican, which sheltered, protected, provided false passports and arranged passage to safe heavens for the nazi war criminals. In addition, to total inaction during the war with respect to protection of the Jews, that pope refused to return Jewish children who were placed in convents during the war, many of those children indoctrinated and converted. Given the circumstances, very immoral act.
    Not one catholic Nazi mass murderer was excommunicated. Not one.

    That said, if you listen to what Yuri bezmienov had to say about the KGB destabilization of the West and watch the total mindlessness around us, you realize what he was warning us against back then in 80s.

  • NYgal

    I am blocked for criticizing Pius XII?

    • MW

      Go ahead.

      I just read “A Dark history: The Popes” The Pope comes off very well.

      Please tell me what you can add?

      If the Pope had been evil more Jews would have gone to the gas chambers.

      So what are you going to say?

      John Paul II & Pope Benedict were great Popes. Just saying!

    • MW

      While you are at, why don’t you read up on Galileo. He was an insufferable pr/k.

      He was the Pope’s friend, who encourage his research. He was brilliant and also the originally baby daddy. His wife did not leave him and became a lesbian. She left him and married another man that raised Galileo’s sons.

  • NYgal

    The fact that you refuse to post my critique of Vatican under Pius XII does change the facts. What the Soviets did to undermine Vatican is true, but it is also true that Pius XII made it really easy for them. And please don’t come back with ‘ Golda Mair a said nice things about I Pius XII’, it is meaningless. Israeli politicians were desperate for good relations with the Vatican, something they never achieved, despite continuous pandering.
    Facts are stubborn things.

  • Texas Patriot

    Fascinating.

    • The March Hare

      Back in the 60s the communists in America became the new left and then proceeded to infiltrate and take over the universities, the media, entertainment and the biggest coup of all, the democrat party.

      • Texas Patriot

        There is no institution in America that has not been corrupted and deformed by the influx and influence of the ideology of totalitarian Communism, and the Republican Party is no exception. Unfortunately, we are going down the same trail with totalitarian Islam and making all of the same mistakes. It’s probably going to take a minor miracle to restore the wholesome competitive values of pre-Communist America.

        • No RNC

          The Republican PArty was at the forefront of Marxism in the US, read “Red Republicans and Lincoln’s Marxists: Marxism in the Civil War”

          • ziggy zoggy

            Do I have to wear my tin hat when I read it?

          • Omar

            There was no Marxism in the Republican Party during the Civil War nor Reconstruction at all. This is left-wing propaganda at one of its worst. Did you know that Marx was a bigot and a self-hating Jew? Watch Glenn Beck’s Revolutionary Holocaust to learn the truth.

  • A Z

    If the Coptic Patriarch had denounce the Muslim Brotherhood & Morsi in no uncertain terms, the Copts would have been exterminated. I am sure he minced words.

    I am sure that Pope Pius minced words. Why not? Neville Chamberlain said “Peace in our time”. If Britain and France would not stand up to Germany with their armies, how is the Pope going to stand up to Hitler and not get the RC decimated or annihilated?

    Not only did the French and the British act timidly to Hitler they did so when they had more tanks and better tanks. the Char B was a better tank than what the Germans had. The Mark I was nothing by an armored car that was tracked and had a machine gun on it. It was a training tank. Neville Chamberlain and the French gave in to that. Neville Chamberlain gave Hitler the Skoda Arms works. When Hitler took over the Czechoslovakia he obtained the Czech tanks and British and French still out numbered him.

    There is nothing like seeing German tanks triumphant overlooking the English Channel in 1940 and noting that the were originally Czech tanks. The profile tells it all.

    The RC has not excommunicated Pelosi or Ted Kennedy. Look what they do. Many NDSAP were occultists. Hitler might have been baptized in a church although I do not know what his ‘nominal’ denomination was. Himmler was not Christian, so what would an excommunication do?

    • NYgal

      Are you really comparing Ted Kennedy and Pelosi to people who run death camps?
      How are going to explain running an escape rout for the nazis after the war, by the Vatican officials. At that point all the horrors of the Nazi camps, all the macabre inhumane murder of Jews was known.

    • A Z

      You posted to this reply. Your post is now gone.

      I looked up your accusation on a Vatican ratline.

      I found.
      “Vatican Ratline: The Vatican, the Nazis and the New World Order”
      by Mauri

      He or she only goes by a single name. Well when you are slinging mud…

      Mauri also wrote the book:
      “Reflections In The Night: A Survivor’s Story of Total Mind Controlled Slavery and Torture”

      AlI can say is WOW.

      Then we have constantinereport.com and “the-catholic-church-and-the-nazi-ratlines”

      The Constantine Report also has GOP Watch Rightwing watch American Assassinations, etc

      That last step of your was a doozie!

  • herb benty

    Any organization that starts with, “World……..”, is communist. Along with Islam multiplying the number of countries in the U.N., world communism has done the same. This is the reason you get a Mugabe or a Omar Bashir to head up human rights commitees. Islamo/Communism has highjacked the U.N. Who but Obama’s totalitarians thinks anything the UN wants us to do would be beneficial to us?!?! Why do you think only successful Western democracies are supposed to emasculate themselves by not using Canada’s KeystoneXL pipeline and America’s coal, gas, oil reserves? While Russia takes Mrs Palin’s advice and, “drill baby drill”. The “disinformation” does continue indeed!

    • ReyR

      World Boxing Organization?
      World Karate Union?
      World Organization of Family Doctors?
      World Association for Christian Communication?
      World Meteorological Organization?
      World League of American Football?
      World Organization Volleyball for Disabled?
      World Association of Chefs Societies?

      • Ivan

        World has been used so many times by socialists and communists in the names of their organizations that it evokes a Pavlovian response.

        Kind of like the words ‘solidarity’ or ‘comrade’. When a person sees the word solidarity, it usually has to do with a leftist organization.

        Conrade used to be in the America until the 1950s. It fell into disuse because the Soviets used it so much.

        • ReyR

          Well, we still have this word – tovarisch (comrade) – widely in use. If I address a traffic police officer on the road as “sir”, more likely than not I’ll get a ticket because he’ll think I’m an effete liberal faculty freak (and he won’t be wrong in most cases). We over here find nothing wrong with the word.
          Solidarity never was a popular word, it reeks hypocrisy.
          On the other hand, we certainly use the term ‘marxism’ in a different way. For us, it’s just a political school, still has its champions, including here, btw, but fewer than before. For Americans, a ‘marxist’ is just another swearword.

      • herb benty

        Touche’ there ReyR…..I should have qualified my statement with, anything that starts with, “World….anything that tells us how to live, where our money goes(World Bank, IMF), World Council of Churches(Comminist infiltrated), The Totalitarian and Anti-Western United Nations. That sort of thing.

    • Omar

      Many institutions at the UN are jokes. They don’t live up to their expectations of promoting peace, liberty and human rights around the world. Mugabe got to power in Zimbabwe because he and his ZANU forces had deposed the moderate Bishop Muzorewa in an election in 1980. Mugabe is a Communist totalitarian who wants to create a neo-apartheid system in Zimbabwe in which blacks would become the ruling race, whites would be the new oppressed group and in which no private property would be allowed at all. Bashir is a genocidal criminal who wants to exterminate Sudan’s black and Christian population in a racist and bigoted campaign to impose Islamist totalitarianism in his country (in addition, Bashir’s military dictatorship practices extreme misogyny and persecutes all non-believers and homosexuals). The Islamist dictatorship in Sudan clearly behaves worse than South Africa’s former apartheid regime. The problem is that both regimes (Zimbabwe and Sudan) are heavily supported by Communist and Islamist states like China and Iran. The Communists and Islamists’ presence at the UN contributes to the fact that they have a global monopoly on the international arena. That’s the reality.

      • herb benty

        Believe you are right on all counts. How on earth did Communism take over a far superior free America, in the light of the fact many Americans died fighting Communism?

  • FrontPgSubscr

    Very believable, given the history of the Roman Catholic institution
    and their surreptitious “dabbling” in governments over centuries
    -mainly through the Jesuit order. The ‘reductions of paraguay’ was
    a mission to the indigenous Indian population, during the middle
    1800s, in which the first communistic system of government was
    established. Any and all ownership of private property was forbidden
    and they were compelled to work long hours with little compensation,
    enriching only the Jesuit mission leadership. The term ‘social justice’
    was ‘coined’ in the year 1843 by the Jesuit philosopher, Luigi
    Taparelli d’Azeglio* in debates for the beginning of efforts to unify
    the Italian peninsula politically.

    * The Origins of Social Justice: Taparelli d’Azeglio by Thomas Patrick
    Burke

  • georgejochnowitz

    Hitler was born and raised a Catholic. Pope Pius XII should have excommunicated him. Hitler, to be sure, was no longer a practicing Catholic, but Catholics in Germany and elsewhere would have become much more likely to oppose his genocidal policies if the Pope had declared them a sin and publicly denounced Hitler as a sinner.

    • Reichskonkordat

      I am starting to like Pope Pius XII. Bash him a little more please.

      Actually don’t. If you have not served, you at the very least would be the pot calling the kettle black.

      During this time Pacelli made numerous statements against Nazism; “Of the forty-three speeches he made as nuncio, forty denounced aspects of the emerging Nazi ideology. In 1935 he wrote an open letter to the bishop of Cologne describing ‘Hitler as a false prophet of Lucifer.’ Two years later at Notre Dame in Paris he said Germany was being led astray into ‘an ideology of race.”

      Between 1933 and 1939, Pacelli issued 55 protests of violations of the Reichskonkordat. Most notably, early in 1937, Pacelli asked several German cardinals, including Cardinal Michael von Faulhaber to help him write a protest of Nazi violations of the Reichskonkordat; this was to become Pius XI’s 1937 encyclical, Mit brennender Sorge. The encyclical was written in German and not the usual Latin of official Roman Catholic Church documents. Secretly distributed by an army of motorcyclists and read from every German Catholic Church pulpit on Palm Sunday, it condemned the paganism of the National Socialism ideology.[70] Pius XI credited its creation and writing to Pacelli.[71] It was the first official denunciation of Nazism made by any major organization and resulted in persecution of the Church by the infuriated Nazis who closed all the participating presses and “took numerous vindictive measures against the Church, including staging a long series of immorality trials of the Catholic clergy.”[72] On 10 June 1941, the pope commented on the problems of the Reichskonkordat in a letter to the Bishop of Passau, in Bavaria: “The history of the Reichskonkordat shows, that the other side lacked the most basic prerequisites to accept minimal freedoms and rights of the Church, without which the Church simply cannot live and operate, formal agreements notwithstanding”.

    • JohnCalla

      I think you have a misunderstanding of what excommunication is. And nobody back then listened to the pope, no different than today. To that end, “Mit brenneder Sorge” fell on deaf ears in Germany.

    • ziggy zoggy

      Denouncing Hitler in Europe would have been a death sentence. It also would have prevented him from helping anybody and would have endangered millions still alive.

  • acumenmac

    Yes this is near the mark, but not hitting the bulls eye. It is well known the communists used the black minority in the US. They funded much of the civil rights movement and spawned black liberation theology in their churches. Deliverance from capitalism, free markets, and the white man. Redistribution, just like POTUS said he was going to fundamentally change America.

    • Omar

      Based on your ridiculous argument, every anti-Communist in this country was a racial segregationist, which was not true. There was a big difference between the civil rights movement and what Communists and fascists (yes fascists are left-wing, check this link for the truth: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=519) were really trying to promote. The problem was (and is) that the Communists were very successful in trying to blend in to American society in the 1960s (remember the New Left?) . After the civil rights movement achieved its main goals of ending segregation and legal discrimination in society with the passage of key civil rights legislation, the Left decided to hijack the movement and to reconstruct the movement as one of “its own”. Even before key civil rights legislation was passed in Congress, the Left had planned this move. Read this link for more on the truth: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1258

  • elkoz

    Dear FrontPage

    You post this and still claim to have grave doubts about the value and validity of Diana West’s book, American Betrayal? Forgive me if I can’t help but wonder if you
    all are suffering from cognitive dissonance!

    Rich Kozlovich

    • ziggy zoggy

      None of the claims or conclusions in this article are insane.

  • ReyR

    Highly inspirational, thank you Mr. Mauro. You are doing your best to reform the way I see my homeland – Russia. After all, if we’ve been able to outsmart you by taking high-precision chess moves targeted decades ahead (including by collapsing our empire twice within the same century), infiltrating your government, planting stooges in every public office, and brainwashing all faculty in your schools – having done all that, doesn’t it mean we’re going to survive y’all and triumph eventually? You really give me hope. I’d never even begin to suspect that we are a nation of geniuses, but since you insist… It’s most flattering, I admit.
    Keep writing the good stuff! Each article like this makes my day a bit brighter.

    • Drakken

      The bottom line Ray is, that policies that were enacted many years ago by the communist’s, are coming to fruitation today. Communism fell in the 90′s and Russia today is not the Russia of yesterday. But communism’s legacy is still being felt today. So I do believe the author of this article is not being critical of Russia per see, but the former policies of the old Soviet Union.

      • A Z

        “But communism’s legacy is still being felt today. ”

        Yes, the USSR might be gone , but it is as if they stabbed us with a poisoned dagger. They expired 1st, but we are to follow.

        And the left is their poison and idiot accomplices.

        • ReyR

          We did, I confess. This, and more. We also built a subatlantic tunnel and used it to import marxist versions of the Bible to America, and also millions of packs of communist-contaminated Caesar salad that created a dangerous liberal mutant army in your academia. Teddy Roosevelt was our stooge, and Arnie the Terminator our plant. We had JFK assassinated by MLK, and MLK by a gang of LGBT activists who then self-terminated. 65% of all pot in California carries the red virus developed in our secret labs, man. We got your pension fund by the balls. That poisoned dagger isn’t sheathed yet. Remember: we are watching you.

      • A Z

        After the Wall fell the USSR fell, I really wanted to take an epic train ride from the Paris or London to Moscow and then along the Siberian railroad to Beijing in a safe and peaceful world.

        But hey Clinton and the left squandered the opportunity.

        • ReyR

          No way, you’re not welcome here no more. Such wet dreams are a great sin. Ten Hail Marys will save you.

          • A Z

            You’re a funny guy.

            You could use your super secret sub-Atlantic tunnel to sneak into NYC and try stand up comedy. You would be a smash hit.

          • ReyR

            Well, now at least you got enough evidence to say that Russians have a sick sense of humor. So spread the word!

          • ReyR

            Nope, your audiences are broke. But now at least you got evidence that Russian thugs have a sick sense of humor – so spread the word!

          • A Z

            Forget about NYC. Just take the super secret tunnel to Washington DC. It has 4 out the 5 richest counties in the U.S. The median income is 30% of the rest of the U.S. I am sure Obama, Kerry, Pelosi, Reid and company will find your absolutely adorable.

          • ReyR

            Right, AZ. But then, the super-rich are notoriously lacking in sense of humor – as well as most other senses.

  • Bobbala

    1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
    1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
    1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
    1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
    1 John 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
    1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

  • Bellerophons_Revenge

    In 1933 the Catholic Church negotiated a concordat with Nazi Germany. Under this agreement all bishops in Germany would swear an oath of fealty to the Reich (that is the exact language of the concordat – “Oath of Fealty”). In effect this made every bishop a vassal of Adolf Hitler and silenced the Catholic Center Party of Germany which opposed both the Nazis and the Communists.

    The negotiator of this treaty was Cardinal Eugenio Pacelli who later became Pope Pius XII. Pacelli may not have been “Hitler’s Pope” but he did aid the Reich. He never released the bishops from their oaths.

    Just because known lying scum like the Soviets condemn someone doesn’t mean that the victim of their attack is a saint. Sometimes, the enemy of your enemy is…your enemy.

  • simplynotred

    What is unfortunate is that our Intelligence does not confirm this story.

    • Roy_Cam

      Could you give an example of a “Marxist” position that this pope has taken?

      • simplynotred

        Have you ever heard of Liberation Theology – Yes/No! The pope recent meeting with a number of South American Liberation Theology priest who have been promoting same for the past 40 years, i.e. Fr. Boff Pope Francis’ September 11 meeting with Dominican Father Gustavo Gutierrez was an informal one, held in the in the pope’s residence, the Domus Sanctae Marthae, and not listed on his official schedule., reports the Catholic News Service. However the news that Pope Francis had received the 85-year old Peruvian priest, who is widely considered the father of liberation theology, has excited interest far beyond the Vatican’s walls.

      • simplynotred

        After decades of slandering, attacking, denigrating, and even
        trying to kill various popes in the Roman Catholic Church — from
        Pope Pius XII to Pope John Paul II — communists are suddenly
        embracing a pope. It is Pope Francis. Imagine my shock, as a
        Catholic convert drawn to the Church initially in large part
        because of its stalwart anti-communism across centuries, when I did
        my regular perusal of People’s World and found not one but
        two pieces exalting the Bishop of Rome.

        The first, published September 27, 2013, was tellingly titled,
        “Welcome
        Pope Francis, campaigner against corporate greed!” It began
        excitedly: “The campaign against corporate criminals and their
        gluttonous greed just added a new speaker with a very loud voice,
        Pope Francis I.”

        • Roy_Cam

          Don’t agree that the pope’s POV re greed is wrong. It is right. Commies and others jump on this, but the right has always had a problem condemning greed, a Cardinal sin. That is, a sin upon which other sins “hinge”, hence the name “cardinal”, from “cardines” in Latin for “hinge”.

          Now, what about “easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven”.

          Did Jesus forget to study market economics?

          Greed is real. Greed is evil. Greed is the irrational and soul-cancelling, value-cancelling value that Adam Smith, an Enlightenment Christian, saw as violating the “invisible hand” because the only way the market could work to optimize itself and the society that used it was for people to use the Golden Rule in their use of wealth and business transactions.

          • simplynotred

            It is only one of the seven deadly sins. ONLY ONE, Communist do not aspire but promote the other six to indicated that using the other six is OK yet suggest that ONLY ONE is bad. PRIDE of the Communist! PRIDE is the worst, for the Communist have the arrogance, even hubris to believe beyond hope that only by getting rid of Greed will the world be a paradise.

            Never will be, as long the human condition is completely fixed by the true Grace of God or removed from the planet. Humans have Pride, Envy, Gluttony, Lust, Anger and Sloth aside from Greed. So the pope Francis is nothing more than a Communist in sheep’s clothing. A wolf sort to speak, who promotes the other six deadly sins. Communist use all these six sins which sends them to hell quicker than those who suffer from the sin of Greed.

            Francis is a liar, and a murdered for he uses all seven sins and commits all seven sins by promoting six, as if he knows better than God Himself. Francis is your fool, for the Communists need fools to promote their death trap for so many souls. The hatred of Greed.

  • A Z

    “Inside every liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out.”

    You voted for Obama, which we can tell from your posts. Obama sat in Reverend Wright’s church for 20 years and claims that he hear nary a word. Wright gave Louis Farahkhan a lifetime achievement award. Obama was tight with Bill Ayers. Deny all you want.

    I know what Ayers and Farahkhan would do if given a chance to do it quickly,.

    Ted Kennedy and Pelosi supported Obama to the hilt. They would travel down the road with Obama every bit of the way.

    ***

    On 10 June 1941, the pope commented on the problems of the Reichskonkordat in a letter to the Bishop of Passau, in Bavaria: “The history of the Reichskonkordat shows, that the other side lacked the most basic prerequisites to accept minimal freedoms and rights of the Church, without which the Church simply cannot live and operate, formal agreements notwithstanding”

    I just don’t see the Pope loving NA ZIs, but you do. You would also buy Mauri’s books.

    Reichskonkordat and Mit brennender Sorge

    I would think it would be rather easier for any escaping Na zis to go via Italy. Go thru the Red Army would be suicide. Going thru France would be difficult. Just about every last Frenchman would have turned them in. I know the way France is. Been there. Going thru Italy that has an American Military presence but is not occupied would be easier. If the church did not exist, Italy would have been the logical choice.

    I just don;t see any secret meetings by Vatican officials telling the other 90% “oh by the way, we are helping NA ZIs escape” Maybe you can make that into an animated docudrama. Make sure to put your name on it to claim credit as a writer, a scholar & a humanitarian.

  • Bellerophons_Revenge

    No pope since Leo XIII has had a kind word for capitalism. The Church has not, to my knowledge, ever condemned any form of socialism that was not overtly hostile to Christianity.

    When John Paul II visited Cuba he did not condemn communism. He only suggested that the Catholic Church have a bit more freedom. However, when he came to the United States he openly condemned the rich for not doing more for the poor. JPII was typical of popes over the last 120 years. They have all to some extent supported a version of “social justice”. Paul XI wrote “Populorum Progressio” (On the Progress of People) which praised social justice objectives.

    While “Liberation Theology” may well have been a Soviet plot its principles were not radically different from the social views of the church.

  • ridesdressage

    This is no different that what the Marxists of the 1960′s did as they infiltrated our colleges and universities with their whack job ideas. The US today is paying deeply for letting these whack job professors at university like Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Duke etc. run amok. What is so sad about all this is that the public school system in the US was started by the churches in the colonies and then to the cities and towns that grew during the formation of this country. The churches served not only as a place of worship and spiritual guidance, but provided schooling, shelter and help to those in need and took the town drunks from being drunks to productive citizens using nothing more than “God loves you, you are forgiven go forth and sin no more”. They did not use welfare, food stamps or pity. Stop being a drunk and useless citizen was their creed. It worked. Charles Darwin, Karl Marx and Fredrich Engels were atheists who despised God. Their works were anti-God, anti Family, anti-Morals/Values/ anti-Bible and were more along the lines of “Hey do want feels good”. Much like the creed of the red diaper doper babies of the 1960′s. Darwin was a drunk and flunked out of medical school, Marx was a bum who lived off the wealthy German capitalists the Engels (Fredrich’s parents) and never worked a day in his life and Engels was a Bum too living off his parents who regularly abused the Irish prostitutes in the town he lived. Yet the liberals in this country hop and skip to the tune of whack job losers. A Drunk/Flunkee, a Bum and a woman abuser? Wow! Sounds like most of the liberal men I know in that have been in DC or are in DC now…….

  • catherineinpvb

    ‘Inter-Faith’/Bridges. . .reach out; other Christian MO’s; are as blind to the threat of Islam; as were those ‘Faithful’; blind to Marxist turn of Christianity. It is all too pitiful. . .to see such an absence of ‘wisdom’ – and the common sense; it is rooted in.

  • ziggy zoggy

    “Marxist” should be more of a swear word in Russia than it is here. For now, anyway. If America ends up a Marxist country I might change my mind.

    • ReyR

      Well, it isn’t. Probably the past decades have made us more conservative than most western conservatives. Or perhaps we don’t want to throw the baby away with the water. So we stick to ‘comrade’, just like the Chinese.)))

  • palintologist

    Someone should send this book to Pope Francis. He’s all in on redistribution and moral relativism.

  • stephen thompson

    Jews ARE the Communists, Communism is nothing more than Babylonian Talmudic Judaism in disguise.

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